A Critique of Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Part 1
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- Опубліковано 18 січ 2018
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'Just because Palpatine is dead...'
well that didnt age well
Sasuke 541 - I think it aged extremely well because the point is made even stronger by the fact that apparently Palpatine is not dead 😀
no ones ever really gone...
@lelwut Tell that to EP9... *I go cry in a corner...*
@lelwut Not before the end of EP 9... Maybe.. he survive the explosion of a Death Star so what a mary-sue could do against him ?
Jean-Philippe Haufroid from what I’ve heard Palpatine actually died in the Death Star explosion, however he had a clone already made on Exogul and he managed to transfer his consciousness to the clone right before he died, and that’s how he came back in 9
Reporter: How does this movie compare to the others ?
Mark Hamill: It's the longest
Savage Historian was it really?
Or did it just feel like it?
klo schuessel well when you look at the ship Chase Scene....It’s really drawn out and Boring, The Can’to bite scene was a drag and Wasted potential...The Whole Movie was a waste of time and the only thing you learn by the End is that your Favorite heroes were Old Sad and Depressed, and that’s not in my Star Wars canon
@Grapthar's Hebree Hammer That is a phenomenal analogy. Props for that.
After the first hour, I thought TLJ would kill me. After the second, I was afraid it wouldn't...
It's his favourite since Empire.
[about Rose Tran] “A character we’ve never seen before is mourning a character we only saw once, and neither had any dialogue, yet we didn’t see Luke Skywalker mourn for Han Solo. Let that sink in.”
Well said.
Perfectly said!!!!
Lets go star wars.....lets go disney
i eat pizza
55:27
Oh God
Imagine if Mark was allowed to Play Luke but with a touch of Yoda. That playful mischievous side testing Rey’s patience and showing how much Luke grew as a character. It makes me cry to think about how great that could’ve been.
The stuff like him tickling her hand when she reached out to the force, being friendly and all, that felt like what he should have been
Dammit man, why’d ya make me cry a little at imagining that possible perfection that will never happen..
I would’ve excused it if him being gruff and rude was a way to test her patience and then once he realized she was the Uber-Special Ma-Rey Sue Magic Girl, his personality starts to show.
Don't get me started bro, I get incredibly frustrated every time I think of what the sequel trilogy could have been.
It makes you cry that Luke didn't steal Rey's lunch or beat BB8 with a stick? Ok
Watching these interviews, I've realised Mark Hamill is more Luke Skywalker than Luke Skywalker is now.
You are right. :)
Still I think it's his fault too as he went on playing this role. He could have just say no and there would be no film.
The guy did three things: A) He played Luke Skywalker because he was told that three more movies with this caracter in it would soon be made, with or without him, the original actor, reprising his role and with Disney being fine with the concept of bringing another actor to portray the "updated version", M.H decided to do his job and tried to channel, to be the real Luke Skywalker, as best he could. B) He acted his best and to his credit, he was formidable despite the obvious and genuine fact that he found this version of Luke Sky. repulsive. He did as much as he could whilst tied, gagged and bound to say, do and behave like he was told, both when acting on screen and during interviews, meaning that if nothing else, M.H did his best with what could be done, despite his protest and reticence. C) Finally, he warned and informed the public about what he refuted openly first, before being forced to "STFU" by Disney and he did so because he didn't want to fuel the fire created by fan outrage after facing the idea that Luke would canonically become this sorry old hermit that even Gollum would find pitiful beyond compare. We KNOW M.H didn't agree at all with the way Luke Skywalker, as a caracter, was utterly destroyed. Luke, as an example and as a form of inspiration, was revered, all over the world, as an embodiment of hope and heroism. M.H, of course, was happy to represent those traits through his caracter, but with the new trilogy it was either him, doing what he didn't want to do, or someone else, a willing "yes man", a person that wouldn't even try to act like the real Luke Skywalker was back in the original trilogy. Since Lea, Han, Chewbacca and pretty much everyone else but Lando came back as beloved caracters, portrayed by the same folks, M.H did the same for Luke, rather than be left out of Star Wars and become the live version of what they say Luke has: A grumpy old bitter husk sniveling and mumbling in the shadows. He just didn't know what they would do with the caracter and once he was under contract, well...
Kind of like he is more The Joker as well. ;)
@@eliaspeter7689 have u heard avout contracts? I am sure he signed one for 7, 8 & 9 & was stuck with what they wrote
I can actually Picture Rian Johnson writing the Screenplay, Childishly giggling at his own Jokes and thinking he's a genius.
The sad part is that, with some rewrites, this film could have been pretty good.
@@TitusCastiglione1503 yeah I thought that there were actually some interesting ideas in the film
I can too... and it angers me every time.
Especially since he thinks he literally did nothing wrong.
He doesn’t believe that any of the criticisms were justified.
and rubbing his little greasy hands...
I am currently writing something (not professionally, but still).
I rewrite almost everything five times on the character sheets and the plot before writing the actual story because I know these things are awful the first time around. Gotta make the characters consistent, the in-universe rules make sense and never bend, and then make the story enjoyable.
That shitty thing he spat out feels like the bullet point version of a plot draft, not even a good enough summary of it, and then went off to write around it.
The what if dialogue between Tarkin and Poe made me smile uncontrollably.
Honestly amazingly well done. Much better than the shit show we got
I giggled at the Pez dispenser story. xD
Yeah, that was glorious.
Kind of cringe. If he wanted it to work, he shouldn't just change out one of the characters to fulfil his own fanfic
A fanfic is better than this pile@@HerohammerStudios
If you are an Admiral and one person doesn't follow your command, that person is a traitor.
If the majority of your crew commits mutiny against you, you have unequivocally failed at your job.
To be fair, Holdo never said any command whatsoever other than "fuck you lol", so Po could have done anything and not be a traitor ^^
@@Wobmiar While generally speaking you are correct, the order "do not commit mutiny," does not need to be explicit.
@@LadyDoomsinger Fair enough ^^
Agreed. It is baffling how Holdo defenders fail to realize this.
Darth Vader: a genocidal maniac who killed Luke’s mentor, built a laser that destroyed Leia’s home planet, captured Han Solo, cut Luke’s hand off, and attempted to turn Luke to the dark side, all while knowing that Luke is his son.
Luke-“I know there is still good in him”
Ben solo: a moody teenager
Luke-“he must die!”
😆😆
Ryan was channeling his thoughts about the current generation.
vader did not built the death star, he did protected it while knowing that this space station will cause more genocide in the future. Otherwise it's a good summary of how inconsistent luke is in the new star wars.
femtoservants he was overseeing the construction of both Death Stars as a servant of palpatine so it’s safe to say he had a pretty big part of the building of the laser
@@ericwingate124 he did not oversee the first death star construction, looking at it from a window of a star destroyer is not what I would call overseeing. For the second one, merely verifying the progress of the construction when the death star is more than half done, is not what I would call building it.
Those are the works of engineer and architects
If the old bombers are called Y wings, then the new ones have to be called WHY wings
BAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA XD That actually made me spit my water out when I read that, god that’s funny!
When I saw those things in the trailer I decided I would never pay money to see this shitshow.
You win! cheers buddy! HA HA HA :D
The should have used Y and B wings. B wings get almost no screen time and they are awesome Craft.
See, they've created a new formation for these craft to be effective. It's called the WHY Knot.
I find the greatest sin of Disney’s handling of Star Wars is the fact that we will never see the original cast all together again. Rian had an opportunity to do something with the original cast, and he squandered it.
Actually jj had that opportunity. But yeah all 3 movies are awful anyway
Exactly. The Force Awakens could have been a passing of the torch movie and they blew it.
Harrison Ford is partly responsible in the fact that he would only agree to do another Star Wars movie if Han Solo dies by the end. That limited all the original characters to appear together to just one movie. However that doesn't explain nor excuse J.J. Abrams' completely wasting the opportunity to reunite the cast in favor of a copy/paste of A New Hope.
@@Eidolon1andOnly If he knew how Chewie dies in the books it would have been easy to kill Han and give him the heroic death he deserved instead of a stupid, pointless, attempt at "family on a catwalk" ep V callback.
@@drtaverner Books or not, there are countless way Han's death could have been portrayed better.
"Not every problem can be solved by jumping into an X-Wing."
I don't know about that. Poe is 3 for 3 so far when he jumped into an X-Wing, and 0 for 1 when he could have, but didn't.
Funny how Leia contradicts this statement in the climax where Poe asks to get in an X-wing, and she says, “Permission Granted.”…..
Poe and BB-8 were the only things I really think I liked about the sequels.
If he didn’t attack the dreadnaught the resistance would’ve been killed along with everyone but Rey and Luke less than 30 minutes into the film.
@@osmanyousif7849, yet again, Rian ruined the tone of his own story by forcing in a joke.
The jailing because of a parking violation...
I never thought that an actual Star Wars movie would take a joke from spaceballs and turn it into a plot point...
The entire movie is a slow chase through space because the big ship can't catch up to the little ship.
the last jedi is a non parody non satire spaceballs without the comedy, selfawareness, or any likeable characters, people are welcomed to add more negatives below
Lrdstrkil19 sorry mate don’t have the time to add all that lol we’d be here a while
The planet shield gate in Rogue One was from Spaceballs. That movie wasn't a steaming pile of shit though..
in the next entry engineers will have found the secret of ludicrous speed
I liked the politics bits in the prequels.
There I said it.
lefr33man as a kid, I didn’t really understand the politics behind the prequels but as adult, I honestly enjoyed it. As boring as it might’ve been to some, it was necessary to see how the empire rose and the republic and Jedi failed.
I appreciate the prequels more and more every time i watch them. Hell at least they gave interesting backstory to their characters. Honestly, episode 3 may be my favorite film out of the star wars series.
Politics can easily be more entertaining than this. It's more interesting almost any day of the week, but Lucas couldn't write that part either.
Politics, when they're written well in stories, can be very entertaining. Look at "A Song of Ice and Fire." Those books are almost entirely about the politics between different factions vying for the Iron Throne. Final Fantasy Tactics is widely considered one of the best games to bear the title "Final Fantasy," and it's got a huge political backdrop behind it. "Politics" are intrinsic to the way a world is built, because you have to understand how different opposing forces will interact with each other on a basic level.
Where this fails is when you try shoehorning in social politics in hamfisted and unwanted fashions, breaking your world's lore in the process. When the only conceivable reason, for example, that Rey is so bloody powerful as a Jedi seems to be because she's a woman (because I have tried to figure out why else this would be) you are basically breaking the pre-established lore in half like a twix bar; Jedi were people born with the ability to feel and manipulate the Force, but had to learn how to do it by other Jedi. They had to learn how to fight with a Lightsaber, how to resist the pull of the Dark Side. And they grew stronger or weaker by using their power regularly, and that each individual Jedi had their own respective strength caps.
The reason, for example, Obi Wan was able to apparently effortlessly alter two Stormtrooper's cognitive perceptions by making a gesture and saying "These aren't the droids you're looking for," isn't because it's an easy thing to do, it's because he's had years and years of practice doing this, especially given that the Empire was actively hunting him down for that period of time, and using the Mind Trick was probably one of his most effective tools. Practice makes perfect, as the old saying goes. So to have Rey perform the trick on a Storm Trooper, when she's never been shown on-screen of Force Users being able to do this, makes no sense whatsoever. Why is this? Well I guess it's because she's a woman? Yaaaay, girl power XP
the backlash against the prequels was manufactured. Disney wanted George's golden goose. Hopefully they'll never make back the 4 billion paid...
That interview with Mark Hamill and Simon Pegg is heartbreaking, but after that moment of heartbreak you see Mark (the Luke we should've got) come bursting to the surface with an enthusiasm he'd forgotten about for a character that did inspire countless youths. No matter what they tried to do in TLJ or the sequel trilogy as a whole Luke will always be the hero of Star Wars.
Same. It makes me tear up whenever I watch this interview in particular.
It's extraordinary how Mark transforms at the mention of Luke Skywalker being his hero. Like a poor abused puppy scared of getting hit again but when you show it a little love and affection, it suddenly just becomes the most friendly thing in the world
God you can see it in his eyes. And I don't know if it's just me but it's like you can almost see the tears.
@@graybastionthe interview clip where he came out from watching the premiere is horrifying. His jaw is literally slack and his eyes look like the worst 1000 schlongojohnson stare the worst 304-00 cannot muster
@@sa-amirel-hayeed699Which suggests to me that he didn't know Luke got killed off in post production.
Fudge Ruin Johnson, Jar Jar Abrams, Darthleen Kennedy and Bob Iger.
This is why I think of Legends as the accurate depiction of Luke after Return Of The Jedi. Because even though he faces all sorts of trials and tribulations throughout the post-Endor period, from getting tossed out of his own body by a Sith ghost, to losing his nephew to the Dark Side, to even falling to the Dark Side himself for a brief time, Luke still remains the hero we all knew and love from the Original Trilogy. He saves coutless lives through his selfless actions, always does what's best for his family, even at great personal risk, and works tirelessly to recreate the Jedi Order. He is, in effect, the man Anakin Skywalker should've become, and the opposite of the man Darth Vader became. That is f*cking brilliant storytelling.
Luke finding out about Han's death OFFSCREEN is outrageous, it's unfair. How could you kill off one of the main characters and not have the reactions onscreen.
Take a seat, young "toxic" fan.
They did this a lot with last few seasons of GOT…it’s the closest the writers get to self awareness. They basically admit they know they can’t write this stuff
Luke is a white male hero in a woke movie. He cannot be seen in a good light. That could not be allowed. The movie was not written about “a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away”. It was written as if it was taking place in today’s woke world.
Sit down, young Jimethen.
Cuz it subverts expectations, maaaan!
The movie was certainly terrible but did only one good thing to me. It made me find this channel.
Agreed
No, The Last Jedi was actually good. Fanboys think it's terrible because people like this channel are very flawed in their arguments.
"How can the First Order be reigning if their super-weapon was destroyed? Ignore the fact that the entire government system of The New Republic got obliterated while Snoke, Kylo, Hux and the army that is the First Order still are in charge! Don't pay attention to that!"
Fucking hack fraud.
And no other star systems cared? They just said, "Oh well, First Order blowing up the New Republic. Just another wacky super weapon!" You have one argument here and it invalidates all his? And it is a particularly simplistic argument that he dismantles in the first 10 minutes. Oh, I did forget about "Fucking hack fraud". My bad. That REALLY made me change my mind! Not to mention, it isn't even in the movie, except for the ridiculous opening crawl.
You sir do not logic well
He doesn't dismantles it. He forgets about the people in charge, the army and the fact that Star Killer was a BASE and not the capital. It's easy to dismantle why that doesn't work.
Still waiting to hear something about The Last Jedi, the movie this review is about. I personally think The Force Awakes was a decent movie with lots of potential. The problem is that the next movie was a travesty of plot holes, making up things that are already well established, having pointless characters do stupid and useless things, wasted potential,
and making stupid jokes that were not funny. It was visually well executed and that is it. Everything else was a mess at best and an unmitigated disaster at worst. The space chase was beyond ridiculous, there were no light saber fights with actual sabers clashing, and Rey is such an unbelievable Mary Sue that you feel no connection to her whatsoever. And the assassination of Luke (and Chewie) was just sickening. Great that you liked it. I certainly did not. Now, have anything from THIS movie to add?
Mark Hamill is genius. He shows his disagreement in such subtle, sarcastic, humorous ways. Thank God for his subversion to Rian Johnson.
Too bad most people were too gullible & stupid to see through that during the build to ep8.
@@S2GUnit Too bad not more saw trough the bs starting with force awakens
@@The80sWolf_ People are so god damn gullible. After TFA I was done. Even if I wasn't done, after watching Mark's interviews, i was SOOO obvious he was warning us. He clearly warned us about Luke but people still went to the theaters & were shocked about how Luke was portrayed.
He has had enough time to think about it ... because he didnt have anything to do in the movie.
Or thank Mark? Because its his opinions and individuality? haha, thats like thanking Zeus for making Yoda a puppet again, or thanking Anubis that Harrison Ford made an effort again in Force Awakens, it doesnt really make any sense
Mark is an absolute treasure... I really feel for him in those interviews. He deserved so much better.
Well now a days he praises them and that check
He's a leftist asshole who played a cool character 50 yrs ago let's not get crazy sunking his dink .
@@JohnSmith-is4uu Don't act like you wouldn't do the same thing
@@robertemerson1087 i'm sure plenty of people wouldn't. but those people wouldn'tve become actors in the first place.
Mark is a dolt. A big-hearted dolt, but a dolt. He's wasn't wrong about TLJ, though.
“A character we’ve never seen before is mourning another character we only saw once, and neither have had any dialogue. Yet we never saw Luke mourn the death of Han Solo. Let that sink in.”
Easily my favorite line from MauLer in this video.
2 years later. still going back to this masterpiece.
this video, not the movie.
haha you didn't get me (i agree with you btw)
Amen
Kynaz Fawkes I didn’t get you? what are you talking about? I don’t recall ever interacting with you before.
@@thedon7082
Chill, I was just (trying to) make a joke about your comment. Why would you be so rude anyway ?
Me too !
I enjoy this more than the latest trilogy.
The look on Hamill's face during those interviews is heartbreaking.
He speaking out loud how shitty they treat our childhood hero and everyone's dismissing it as a joke..
Hey, he signed up for it.
I love how everyone just knows marks opinion on this, what people never show are the interviews where mark praises RJ and TLJ, shows thst he was initially doubtful of the movie but upon seeing it he loved it and respected what RJ did
Ask and ill fish out a video and timestamp for the interview.
@@jamzy1837 He has been cursing the movie ever since. Before the launch, after the premiere and still does it to this end while praising the EU writers for making him what he was supposed to be.
@@jamzy1837 He only said that in 1 interview, and that was after Disney told him to shut his mouth if he wanted his paycheck. If you actually think Mark changed his mind near the end of filming despite the movie having no rewrites, then I don't know what to tell you.
Mark Hamill's thousand yard stare in Pegg's interview was heart-wrenching in a way I didn't expect, Disney is a disgusting Lovecraftian monster devouring Legendary I.P. and shitting out a deformed cronenburg bastardization
It is a disgrace to Lovecraft's work by comparing it to modern disney.
The Rat has become the EA of movies, taking new franchises and ruining them, then either discarding them or keeping the corpse like a prize.
That was beautiful
Yup. Disney is an Angler fish and while everyone is distracted by the cute little dancing Mouse lure, the mouth full of hellish teeth is slowly opening.
@@rorsie, well, Lovecraft was a diehard racist who injected his own social politics into his work, so maaaybe it is somewhat appropriate to compare his work to what Disney had been making (although his work had a far better quality, undeniably).
I feel so bad for Mark Hamill. He hated what was done to Luke, but still maintained a level of professionalism and did his job as an actor. It's so interesting to see that Luke's portrayal in TLJ was one of the most negative reactions, but I have never seen anyone actually blaming Hamill for it.
He could have had self respect and not done the film.
@@1974lordvader and how are you sure that’s even a possibility? Contractual obligations and things of that nature lmao
@@1974lordvaderwell think about it from his POV. If he refuses to do the movie then no matter how much he tries to tell people the script was awful, he’ll still be seen as the guy who cancelled a new trilogy for a new generation. So I think he took the risk that maybe, just maybe people would enjoy the movie and/or during production he could try and convince Ryan and the writers the change the script (as he says in multiple interviews, he had many conversations with Ryan about the direction of the movie but Ryan just dismissed him for “his movie”)
I did, someone told how Hamill is the main responsible for the failure of the Last Jedi.
@@1974lordvader This is not how hollywood works, they can force actors to play in movies because contracts made earlier than scripts.
Mauler: "Just because palpatine is dead"
Me: I came from the future to say It's worse than you think.
"Palpatine is dead."
Amazing! Everything you said in that sentence is wrong!
Cursed with the power of knowledge
"Dark side of the force is pathway to many abilities, some may consider to be unnatural"
-Sheev
"Somehow Palpatine survived."
@@tristan733 - How?
JJ: What is the cheapest explanation?
Luke Skywalker wouldn't say "the Jedi need to end".
Luke Skywalker would say "I'll turn the Jedi into what they always had the potential to be".
Exactly. Luke understands the power of Redemption. He has faith in other people, and his faith is always rewarded.
Luke believes that the woman in the Hologram is someone worth investigating, and it turns out that she's a princess, and his sister.
He believes that Mad old Ben Kenobi is worth knowing, and it turns out that Kenobi is a Jedi Knight and a veteran of the clone wars.
Luke has faith that there's more to Han than a money-hungry rogue, and his faith is rewarded.
Luke believes that even a monster like Vader can be redeemed, and his optimism saves the galaxy.
There is NO way a person like Luke Skywalker would abandon the Jedi order because they made the mistake of accidentally allowing Palpatine's rise, and there's no way he would try to murder his nephew because the boy had a bad dream and was 'irredeemable'.
@@Vain737 That's not really what I meant. I meant that the Jedi were just another extremist organization, just like the Sith, only on the opposite end of the spectrum. In a _different_ way they were _just_ as foolish.
But where you did get what I meant was that, yes, indeed, Luke wouldn't want to end that order because of that - he'd want to fix it.
@@AniGaAG I think bagrada1 was referring to the Luke Skywalker of the EU, who established the majority of his order on the basis of redemption- alot of his first students suffered falls to the dark side, yet Luke brought them to light and encouraged to use their abilities to help the universe. His Jedi Order was ultimately more healthy and more in-tune with the universe than previous iterations.
It's what most fans wanted to see- not a Luke who gave up on everyone, including his friends and family.
Wait what!?! A rando understands starwars better then millionaire producers who haven't been apart of normal society decades I don't buy it Disney tells me what I buy you don't
In the Non-canon Books Luke’s Jedi order moves away from the traditions of the old Jedi order because he saw their faults. But sure have him make the same mistake of the prequels
57:20 Fun Fact: Carrie Fisher was a script doctor for many years before her death. So maybe Disney should have asked and payed a key woman in Star Wars history who also had experience when it comes to supervising writing.
That would have required humility on the directors part.
Yea right... Carrie was a straight white woman... not gonna happen in these "modern" days.
@@crazwolf9825 what
Even a few years later, it hurts watching Hamill give some of those interviews.
it really is painful isn't it... god fuck disney
Agreed. What do you think marks current take on sequels is now?
@@mikhailg4667 after that garbage of an ending? He'd probably like to spit on both directors. I still feel amazed how people back when this critique came out used to whine about Mauler being biased, considering almost NOBODY likes TLJ now... I've seen some other critiques who said they liked it admit it was quite... terrible after the crap that was TROS, looking at it in hindsight.
The way Mark Hamill was treated by these films is a travesty and insulting.
Read through the EU and you'll be furious about how they treated him.
When Hamill gives interviews , what the hell is He high on ?
@Stewart Moran You must be correct .... I am very old and can remember ( and I admit I did them ) Quaaludes from back in the day ..... EVERY interview He gives He sounds like He's "luded" ..... But I guess He is very upset .... I don't blame Him .....
@@stevenattanasso2003 Rage.
@@Mikron20 Controlled Rage ..... Proving He's a class act ......
It's horrible how Mark Hamill looks in some of those interviews, sometimes he looks seconds away from just breaking down and crying
If I ever see Mark Hamill in person, the first thing I want to do is give him a hug and say "It's not your fault."
1:18:26 This legend straight up has PTSD from what they did to his character.
(Remember, despite hating these changes, he still had to act and live them out.)
Imagine having a character that built your career and who you are, a character that is timeless and embodies hope in his universe, be completely destroyed right before you. And not only that, you HAVE to take part in his destruction.
If someone asked me about it I’d be on the verge of tears too.
@Stalwart Vanguard he probably did, what likely happened is he signed on to act luke, not knowing what Ryan would do to him, but when he realized, he had already signed on, and could do nothing
It's like "saying I love you", (present tense), at/to someone during said person's burning incineration/ pre-burial eulogy, with cameras and on-site public. "Devastating" sounds about right.
Man I can't believe it's been 5 years since this critique came out.
And Mauler still hasn't finished the TFA critique.
I need that part 5
One thing that pisses me off is when people try to fabricate reasons and arguments for what happens in bad films. The FILM SHOULD GIVE YOU ALL THE INFO. Not comic book tie ins, novels, director interviews nor anything else. A good film leaves you satisfied with the info presented in the 2-3hrs it runs. Period. Great video btw. Lol
Why is Luke wearing Jedi robes if his whole shtick is that he doesn't want to be a Jedi?
Good point. Don’t want to be a Jedi? Why dress like one then.
@lzydwg Do you really want to have this argument? Or do you want to shut the fuck up about subjects that aren't relevant at all?
@lzydwg lol what an clown
@lzydwg They're not triggered, they're just responding. Honestly, shutting the fuck up would be a good idea, but we don't cry when we hear words like "black lives matter" and "the future is female". Besides, you probably have no fucking clue what Blackwater is anyway (if YOU brought in something irrelevant as propaganda to advance your ideology, I have every right to do that too. However, I'm not a conniving, manipulative nazi fuck who throws people under the bus.)
@@tbotalpha8133 Calm your tits dude
"Just because palpatine is dead....."
Oh yeah about that......
"The Dead Speak: A Palpatine Story"
Yeah death has no consequence if you’re a force user and SW is basically Dragon Ball Z now.
@@austin9568AuraMasterDX deaths are speaking..
@@MrSpartan993 Death in Dragon Ball Z has consequences. If you're dead, you have to be revived with the Dragon Balls within a year or you stay dead.
@@ZyrusSmith And when you use the Dragon Balls, they scatter around and you need to find them. Just complementing.
It's clear that Rian is too unconfident/inept to deal with writing serious scenes with moments of emotional lows, so he uses awkward humour as his scapegoat. It's like the script needs a therapist.
1:10:49 My god, Hamill looks like he has truly died inside as he stares at that crowd. The way his neck inflates as he's breathing makes it feel like he's going to either cry or burst with rage.
Exactly. You *cannot* make the argument that he was joking there. He just barely holding back, no coy wink or playful smirk.
My wife asked me why the hell I keep watching TLJ reviews. A 42 year old man should and does have better things to do with his time. However Star Wars was amazing as a kid. Luke Skywalker was my hero. When I left the Theatre after this new movie I felt meh. The resistance and crappy politics bothered me most. Only after a few days did it occur to me that the real reason for my dislike of this film was the way Luke was portrayed. Seeing those interviews with Mark Hamill is truly depressing. Rian Johnson and Disney fucked up what should have been a sure fire hit by undoing the intrigue of TFA and breaking my childhood Hero Luke Skywalker. Fuck you Rian Johnson. Great vid Mauler
Simon Hodge I agree completely and as a 54 yo SW fan who, at the age of 14 first saw the heroic character of Luke Skywalker in theaters in 1977, TLJ is a deeply disappointing conclusion to his story. Star Wars came out when I was just getting to that rebellious point of life and influenced so many of my life choices in a positive way. I can't find any inspirational aspects to these new films, quite the opposite in fact. But as Mark Hamill himself said, "it's just a movie". Too bad the truth is, it's just a poorly made movie. The scene between Luke and R2 D2 was the only redeeming moment of the entire film.
Simon Hodge Well if you can’t get enough we have like 3! Understand where you are coming from!
YES!
It took me a while to figure out that Luke was what angered me.
Other stuff was just dumb.
After figuring that out, I set it aside and found I was still angry.
And that was over the canon reboot that happened before our eyes in this film.
And then I set that aside.
And realized I was angry over the craptastic trope universe where you are always wrong regardless of what choice you make or what action you take.
Choose A? WRONG!
Choose the Opposite of A? STILL WRONG!
It's like an outer limits episode.
When I set that aside, the rest was just dumb stuff but I wasn't angry over it and I probably would have seen IX once to close the book. As it is now tho- I will not give Disney my money for Star Wars product again.
Please elaborate. I thought Luke was handled well in this movie(whoooa opinions, please don’t kill me).
Evolved Turtle, for me there were two problems with how Luke was handled. The first is that where we left Luke at the end of RTJ and where we find him at the start of the TLJ are two very different places. Now thirty years have passed so it is entirely possible for the character to have changed, but without seeing that change it's so very, very jarring. Add to that the only explanation for that change is a couple of throwaway lines and a dodgy flashback. It reeks of a writer saying 'just accept this and don't think about it' to the audience when it comes to his character.
The second problem for me, is that even if you accept that Luke has become disillusioned with the Jedi, he still willfully buggers off to die alone leaving two Dark Jedi and a handful of his former students to run around creating chaos in the galaxy. It's a total dick move and as a result a lot of people suffer for it.
"Palpatine dies and the Second Death Star was destroyed..."
Yeah .. about that...
hhhhhaaaahhhhahhahhha
Third one. Well maybe even the tenth one bcs in clone wars there were a lot of death stars smaller but the idea was there
@@fredrikgranstrom6743 I hear that in this Palpatine reboot, he's going to have 'damaged' tattooed across his head and make weird cat purring noises to indicate how crazy he is.
@Bonfire Studios I'm pretty sure that was suicide squad
@Bonfire Studios No, I was just saying that The suicide squad Joker had the damaged tattoo.
I never finished Disney’s trilogy. But a critique trilogy lasting several hours, going through the movie that had me jump ship?
I have watched/listened to this several times, and will likely return in the future. Fantastic work, Mauler.
Ryan Johnson: *Tears down Luke’s Character completely *
Mark Hamil and Fans: Look how they massacred my boy
They massacred Luke and he knows it. I can’t imagine what it feels like to have your iconic role shat on by corporate greed and terrible writing
I would hazard a guess and say it probably feels like oh, I dunno, a few million bucks?
@@Anw4rr10r "I don't do anything except for money, so obviously nobody else would!"
100% Mark even said it was a garbage movie
@@Anw4rr10r he warned us asmuch as he could contractually
Well, at least The Mandalorian let him be a substanceless action figure....
During the bomber scene in the theaters my 12 year old son leaned over and asked “ where are the Y-Wings?”. To which I replied “I have no idea.” He shook his head and whispered “This is stupid “.
I bring this up because most people claim I disliked this movie because either I grew up with the original series or I’m sexist. His age and the fact he has the same problems as you do kills the first reason and the fact Mon Mothma and Leia were Rebel leaders kills the second.
During his next medical check-up, have your son's midichlorian count checked.
I can’t . A few months ago a really cool looking guy, a girl, a weird thing, and robot were over right before he won a local race. I haven’t seen him since.
Bright side is I met someone from Death Valley. She’s into a hydroponics or something with water. I have a good feeling about this. ;)
B Wings were better.
You have an awesome son
'Hope that's a true story.
I’m not even a Star Wars fan but seeing Luke Skywalker after 30 years! Wow! How amazing! How cool is that?!? The Luke Skywalker is back!
And…..he throws the lightsaber for a laugh, Never sees or interacts with his sister or Han, finds out Han dies- scene cut/no reaction, find out he tries to kill Kylo because he had a bad dream, etc.
I totally get where you're coming from. I've seen the first 6 Star Wars movies a few times but was never a super fan and more of a normie about them. However, I know Luke Skywalker is a goddamned hero who is loved by millions of people the world over. It's an absolute disgrace to see the character reduced to that. I feel bad for the fans and especially bad for Mark Hamill to see a legend that he was instrumental in creating be reduced to a pathetic loser.
There's a nasty undertone of hostility towards the fans throughout this entire movie, fans of one gender in particular. I pretty sure that's the point of the milking scene people talk about so much. "Look at Luke Skywalker! He's such a pathetic baby-man that he drinks milk from his bottle like a little baby! A baby-man hero for baby-man fans!"
@@BiggieTrismegistus I kept expecting Luke to be the hero he had been all along again, revealing that Snoke had been clouding his mind via the Dark Side and Luke's regrets, and for Luke to go back to help the "Resistance".
A friend of mine kept calling out Rey as a Sith/Dark SIde, because ALL her power comes easy and fast, and she often fights angry.
Can you imagine how awesome it would have been if Luke comes in flying his X-Wing, and just utterly ruined the AT-STs by himself, piloting so well that it put Poe to shame? And then, from the rubble, when Kylo leads a ground assault against the remaining Resistance, Luke faces off against Kylo to give the survivors a chance?
SO MUCH WASTED POTENTIAL.
@@hariman7727 They should never have come to this point. Luke should have rejoined his family in that moment of TFA when the lightsaber zips through the air--to land in HIS waiting hand. The tearing-asunder of the ground should have been him using the Force to prevent either him or his nephew having to kill each other.
And in TLJ, Luke would begin to train both Finn AND Rey, together.
Those are the things we should have seen.
Listening to Mark talk about how important it was for Luke and Leia to experience of be in proximity to Han’s death was actually kind of eye-opening. Mark fully understands in what ways writing works and doesn’t. He would have done better writing this movie than Rian.
“This is a very common criticism of Star Wars fan fictions, especially those in their first draft.” Daaaaamn
That's the quality of the goddamn script. Rian Johnson wrote draft 1 of his script before The Force Awakens had finished filming. He went so far as to ask JJ Abrams to change Luke's scene at the end, from him meditating with rocks floating around him to standing and staring wistfully at the horizon instead. JJ Abrams then provided Rian Johnson with a rough draft of potential episodes 8 and 9. Rian Johnson threw those in the trash, finalized his script (changing almost nothing from the first draft) and immediately went about insulting those that disagreed with him and antagonizing the fans before filming of episode 8 even began.
It reads like fan fiction, went through precisely as many redrafts, and has the same surrounding level of professionalism. Or at least, I _would_ say that if I haven't read fan fictions that are Hugo Award-level quality and effort. And I mean that sincerely, I have a list of fan stories from Witcher, Star Wars, Star Trek, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, and a half dozen other fandoms that are better written than half the shit coming out today.
@@ElectromagNick a list? If it's not too much to ask could you maybe post a few? I understand if you don't want to
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@@ElectromagNick I actually haven`t really read any fan fiction, but if it`s half as good as what you make it sound like it is, I`d certainly give it a go :)
@@afrog2666 Fanfiction is such a mixed bag. Some of the greatest stories I've read have been fanfic, and so have some of the worst, but throughout it all, you can just feel the passion and love for the IP, which is more than I can say for most of the "professional" work coming out of Hollywood and even major publishing houses these days.
- Leia gets sucked out into the vacum of space. There's no suction whatsoever when they open the door to bring her in.
- BB8 can't fix a motherboard with his skills but ramming his head into it fixes it.
- Rogue One shows Y-Wing bombers knock the power out of a star destroyer in seconds. 30+ years later bombers attack a star destoyer slowly and are easily destroyed.
- Luke wants nothing to do with the Jedi anymore so he moves into and lives at a Jedi temple and wears a Jedi robe.
- Luke doesn't want anyone to find him, so he leaves part of a map to find him stored in R2.
- Luke astral projects himself so he can't be harmed. He dies after astral projecting himself.
- Rey thought the force was a fairy tale, but then 3 days later can use it to beat Kylo and Luke who trained in the force there entire lives.
- Poe risked his life big time and destroyed Star Killer base for The Resistence saving billions of lives. Took out the the big canons of the dreadnaught saving the resistence ships from certain annihilation. The Resistence doesn't trust him, slapping him, calling him an out of control fly boy, shooting him with a stun gun, putting him in jail, won't give him life saving information. Luke got a medal for destroying the death star. Poe got thrown under the bus for destroying Star Killer base.
- Yoda who has dedicated his life to teaching the Jedi texts to people, finds the Jedi text to be boring. "Page turners they are not."
- Ghost Yoda can shoot lighting. He never shows up to a fight to help.
- The guy who offers to be the code breaker is staying in jail even though he can leave at any moment. There's no reason for him to stay in jail.
- Finn needs a pilot to fly him off the star destoyer. Fly's a ship to Canto Bight. Fly's a ship to take on the walkers. While in a coma Finn learned how to fly spaceships apparently.
- Time needs to be spent on Rey training character development. Movie spends a bunch of time at a casino.
- Rose wants to get in and out quickly on the Canto Bight mission. Wears a greasy mechanic outfit in the casino. Lands ship in the middle of beach, in front of casino.
- Hux is commander over the fleet. Doesn't command to do even the most basic military tactics. (in ESB two star destroyers intercepted the Falcon when it was being chased)
- The starships are fusion powered and fuel would last for years. Ships run on gas and will be out in a few hours, Rose says "the fleet is running on fumes".
- They say "may the force be with you" in Star Wars. Holdo says "godspeed rebels". (uhm, aren't they the resistence?)
- Finn is going to crash a ship into the giant laser to save what he loves. Rose crashes into him and stops him so she can tell him he needs to save what he loves.
You sir have nailed it, this should be transmitted worldwide :)
*" Yoda who has dedicated his life to teaching the Jedi texts to people, finds the Jedi text to be boring. "Page turners they are not.""*
If The Jedi Path was one of those books, then Rian Johnson's Yoda (aka Choda) is objectively wrong.
Someone make a video with all this information. :) So true.
My only gripe: "Running on fumes," can be used as a figure of speech. I said it when I'm incredibly tired, you know?
Were they actually referring to the ships fuel source or was she just using some creative language? (I haven't seen it yet, so I'm asking for real-real.)
Chase Smith she was referring to the ships....the whole point of most of the movie is to help the resistance fleet get away before they run out of fuel and as the original comment said starships are fusion powered and shouldn’t have this problem, especially for a organisation which is supposedly supported by the republic but it happens anyway. It just further shows the lack of knowledge the man directing the movie has on the universe he is currently in charge of
This trilogy can be summed up like this:
Cool things are introduced
But they have absolutely no pay off
Every one of these movies works better if you ignore other two. TFA was a lot of rehash old ideas, but it left few interesting paths to be explored...which got thrown out of the window...than JJ somehow tried to tie this up in movie that tried too hard to be endgame and failed.
Force Awakens: All setup, no payoff, less content than a mediocre JRPG's tutorial town.
Last Jedi: Utter betrayal of canon, a sequel to seven movies that only exist in Rian Johnson's head.
Rise of Skywalker: Desperate flailing and begging to be taken back, including driving by the ex's house at night in hopes the ex is there, and that holding up a boombox thing, at least until the restraining order is issued.
Luke tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder is still the absolute worst moment in Star Wars for me
All for an attempt at a cheap laugh
For me, the worst moment in Star Wars was when George Lucas signed the paperwork to sell Lucasfilm to Bob Iger/Disney.
Uh huh jar jar...
@@stanleyquine5020was a great character compared to these fucktards
As far as I’ve seen , mark hamill is the only actor Ive seen being passionate about his most iconic character as much as us fans.
Watch his reaction to the last Jedi he is physically showing distress
Nah Finn was pretty passionate 😂
His young age at filming coupled with his catapultation to into international stardom could explain that but I believe he truly enjoys science fiction and fantasy far more than the average Hollywood type as they seem to look down on the genres and their fans
Yeah I mean Harrison sleeps through everything and couldn't care less, Carrie was an awesome lady but didn't know wtf star wars even was half the time haha
Mark is such an enthusiastic and chill guy, must be just as frustrating see the ot get completely gutted and torched with molotovs
@@shinobi-no-bueno I’d say Mark is truly interested due to his voice over work; voice over actors aren’t as famous as live action ones due to no face to associate the actor with but he has done a multitude of animated roles. He is truly a great actor
In half of marks interviews he looks like he is haveing Vietnam flashbacks
Very apt description. I wonder how Ryan treated him throughout the whole project... Probably not very well.
Thinking of he's training with the yoda.
He’s thinking of better times, once Star Wars was respected franchise
He's suffering from PTSD: Post-Traumatic Star Wars Disorder.
@@TESkyrimizer When you see on Ryan's tweet that he's a huge nerd of star wars and it legend EU (I can't say fan, he don't seem to like star wars)
As sad as it truly is, it really did just make me smile watching Mark slowly turn around during the interview you showcased. His turn and stare at Simon, mouth agape for only a few seconds before directing his eyes elsewhere, but you can tell that Simon has hooked him back. And for that moment, that one beautiful, blissful moment, that man was able to continue living his dream of inspiring and spreading happiness to people around the globe, the absolute joy and wonder he inspired in so many people. While the movies were so bad, this moment still returns to me as something happy, if only fleeting
I have never been plugged into twitter or in celebrity interviews.... and therefore never knew this was how Mark felt about the sequels. Thanks for putting this together.
Seeing Mark almost break during the interview broke my heart :(
No joke.. We all are watching Disney completely destroy star wars.. Very sad.
The look on Mark's face as Simon fanboys over him made me cry. He's hearing someone give him credit and importance to their own life growing up, and you can see him fighting back his own tears as Simon praises him.
Omg I know, that was so hard to watch. You want to reach through the screen and hug / cry with him.
Yeah, he looks physically in pain. He is being reminded of something he made so beautifully, that he was then forced to kill.
@Javin Newell 1:18:03 is the specific clip, 1:18:35 is right before he turns to look at Simon with that expression.
@Javin Newell No problem!
Well, think for a moment what it must be like for him. Think you're an actor and your very first "real" role, because before Luke he only played some sort of extras on TV series, is such a huge thing that you're typecast for life. Everyone knew him and everyone associated him with Luke. Look up his movie history, aside of Star Wars, all he did was TV stuff and some voice acting.
He had two choices. Break apart under the fact that he'll never be anything but Luke Skywalker or embrace it. And he did embrace it. I mean, there's worse things you could be typecast as than the hero that saves the galaxy, beloved by every fan in the world.
It really felt like he "became" that character. It may sound weird, but I honestly have the feeling that he made that character a part of himself.
How would you feel if something that you are gets rewritten into something that you think is just utterly and completely wrong?
First off, I’ll just say thank you for the incredibly in-depth review of this movie and the other movies from a series that were a huge part of my childhood.
I was born in 1975 and don’t have any memories that don’t include seeing the world through a lens of (original trilogy) Star Wars-induced wonder, optimism, and creativity. It very much shaped my ideas of right and wrong, personal responsibility, bravery in the face of overwhelming odds, and self sacrifice in service to those you love and others in general. Obviously I’m not a hero who helped save the world, or you would have heard of me, but the way you view heroism in general can affect the way you approach smaller conflicts in life.
What these later movies have done to damage that incredibly inspiring and beautiful story is shameful, and the screenwriters and movie executives should be embarrassed. I really appreciate the time, effort, research, focus, humor, and writing that you have put into not just this video, but all of the related videos in your analysis series. The quality speaks to your talent and dedication, and in my honest opinion, they stand head and shoulders above the other critiques I’ve seen. And there are some other very good reviews out there, so that is no small praise.
One final compliment, since I’ll only leave this one comment as a blanket over the whole video series- I love that you use Battlefront II gameplay footage as the background. I own a single video game, and a single game console, and it’s a Sony PlayStation 2 with Star Wars: Battlefront II that my stepsons got me a couple of years ago for Father’s Day. They knew that it was the only video game that I ever really enjoyed, and played countless hours of in the years between 2005 and 2010. I had several spinal surgeries starting in 2002 until 2006, so I was confined to a recliner or bed for many months throughout recovery, and I played that game so much that I eventually beat it. I then didn’t pick it up again until their incredibly thoughtful gift. It was very cool to me that you mentioned it as “Battlefront II- the good one”- and it sparked me leaving this comment, as I’m rewatching this entire video series for the 3rd or 4th time.
So- sorry for such a book-length comment, and thanks again for such a great set of videos.
I remember the scenes from the last battle in the first movie, how the different groups had commanders, how these commanders issued orders, and how they were followed. I remember the transmissions from ship to ship, clear when made by the speaker in the scene, but choppy when heard on the radios of the other fighters. This was probably the most realistic air battle scenes I have ever seen in any movie (I'm a military veteran), and added greatly to the reality of the movie.
It breaks my heart to see Mark like this. It makes me furious to see Luke like this.
Seeing Mark in such a state of inner turmoil during the Simon pegg interview literally brought a tear to my eye. And the only thing that brought him out of it (for the moment) was when Simon told mark how important of an impact he had made on his life growing up. Just goes to show that mark really does love having been able to portray Luke. And how much it hurt him to have to bring to life the BS Rian Johnson version of Luke.
He is a broken man. Reverse method acting.
God, in that interview at the end, it looks like Mark Hamil is having a panic attack over what happened to Luke, and Simon Pegg's love of the character is what brought him back. That was heart-breaking.
Seeing a person in such great destress is not something that should be ignored in the slightest. So why is everyone there DOING NOTHING.😥😨
@@naheleshiriki5496 Because people these days are detached from reality and cannot pick up on peoples emotions or state of being. Constantly being on devices all day and not having actual, meaningful conversations with people face to face does that. I can't tell you the amount of frustration I have when I'm trying to talk with someone about something important only for them to just look at their phone and not hear a word I say. It was quite obvious Mark was in horrible distress but neither of the two with him could pick up on it because they undoubtedly probably don't have face to face time with many people for many hours. Mark could have been having a stroke and they'd only react or know something is wrong after he collapsed. Possibly ignoring other symptoms that are common with strokes such as slurred words and confusing or drooping of one side of the face because they wouldn't know the signs to look for or listen for.
Simon oegg isnt a fan.hes one of the people who bandwagon harrassed Lucas and now we dont have him,but Rian Johnson,kk,and JJ and bob iger and the story group.
@@fridaynightnicktoons6885 In a way Lucas just left because it seemed nobody wanted him (like what Disney has done to Luke). Now we're reaping what has been sown.
it seems more like he's furious.. honestly i would be beyond furious as well if i was in his position
It's somewhat endearing to hear that it isn't only us fans who get upset over the blatant character assassination of our beloved heroes. Mark and other actors (GoT) who have the courage to state their true feelings garner my admiration and sympathy
Worst part of Poe being trashed for the bombers is that it was implied that it was Leia's plan that he followed in the first place. So he is trashed for following the plan that was decided upon. The bombers make no sense because of their speed is so slow either they have stealth tech or just magically appear in place. There was no way the bombers would have made it back to the fleet before the Dreadnaught could have fired.
That Poe's ship is the only one with a radio in it seems like a pretty big oversight as well. Apparently every order to the fleet has to get to them from Leia via Poe. What happens if his radio breaks or his misses a transmission?
@@BiggieTrismegistus I think Holdo's entire fleet disobeyed her orders, because she's an armchair admiral and they knew Poe was and is an actual leader.
I honestly think that Holdo changed her name from Brannigan, to hide her family's history of being awful commanders in battle.
Finn must be the *bestest evah* floor cleaner in the star wars galaxy if they ship him to every important military installation in the first order just to clean their most important top secret project floors.
Rok Hamler Why is he a janitor and front line infantry?
Just wait till we learn he mopped Palpatine's floor as well somehow on the Second Death Star so he knows a way to get into it for some stupid reason in Ep IX.
I am surprised that none of you were aware that Finn was part of the elite 82nd Janitorial Corps.
These shock troops were used in key planetary assaults (like on Jaaku), for guarding Snokes and for swiftly mopping up spilled green milk dribbling out of First Order super weapon control panels.
@@ih1589 And they find Phasma waiting to ambush them
Mark is never laughing in any of the interviews. It's like the people around him either can't realize he's not joking OR realize he's serious and laugh to confuse the audience.
Exactly, they're all just trying to difuse the tension, but it lands akwardly anyways
+Mr Andrew Its more sad than awkward.
Mark Hamill looks visibly miserable. The guy doing the fake "Rob Schneider" laugh is particularly annoying because he's trying to downplay Mark's concerns with a "ha ha, he's just joking, folks" laugh. Mark's not joking.
Yes, the laughing in these hits the uncanny valley for me. It is just so damn weird.
90-95% of the Resistance died because Rose wanted to stick it to the fat cats on the casino planet by parking on a beach (Fin is cowardly at that point, he'd follow protocol).
I didn't even catch that at the first viewing.
Hell, just parking on a beach is a dick move.
This is 5 years late, and honestly a super small thing, but I will say, I appreciate the humility and willingness to adapt the presentation of your videos to the requests of parents or children alike. Language matters more to some, less to others, but your consideration of your audience as a whole regardless of your own views or values is commendable, especially in this day and age. Just wanted to state my appreciation for it!
I have to say, you did that Tarkin - Poe conversation briliantly.
Hell, that dialog would've worked with TFA Hux. TFA Hux had the gumption for it.
Makes me sad to think how much potential this movie had and how much a turd it ended up being
I am so disappointed that Mark Hamill wasn't on the writing team for these movies. His ideas were great.
2bobaf It’s too bad Lucas wasn’t on the writing team either. All he needs is talented people around him to reign in his worst instincts.
anyone's ideas would have been better. Any random EU novel or video game has a better plot and characterization.
Mark hamill cares about star wars, Disney dosent
Wouldn't that have been so much better, if they asked the actors where THEY thought their characters would be in 30 years' time?
@@MajoradeMayhem Hell, some of the *new* actors had better instincts than the damn directors! John Boyega, for one.
1:18:03 Oh god this part broke me, I hate seeing Mark Hamill so sad
He praises TLJ now
@@JohnSmith-is4uu He’s just trying to assuage the outrage.
A question iv'e never heard anyone ask... Why is Palpatine allowed back unhurt, more powerful than ever whilst every other character is damaged, broken, diminished or devolved ?
"The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural."
That aside, he lost parts of a few fingers!
Honestly? It's because they had no plan for the ninth movie and decided on the fly to bring Palpatine back. There was no plan for the entire sequel trilogy. That's why it's so disjointed.
I sincerely thought holdo was a double agent by the way she was acting. Almost like Krell in the Clone Wars Series. Nope... Leia wakes up and pats her on the back.
Was super upset by the blue haird poo. But that's what forcing an agenda looks like.
I would had no problem with the way she acted if her first scene with Poe she said something like "Look... I don't know you, but Leia just demoted you, so I don't know if I can trust you. I have a plan, and it's on a need to know basis. Follow my orders, and you'll know when you need to know." and of course... don't say "I like him" to Leia after you had budded heads with him the whole time, and he mutinied.
That would make sense. And the same story arc with pow not trusting her would be the same... but she wouldn't seem unreasonable... and the "twist" that it was Poe who's on the wrong would be stronger.
But besides making the whole Poe is arrogant and wrong. Why did they make that? I get it if you want to reach some place... to show that your protagonist gets things wrong. It can be a teachable moment. But in TLJ, Poe literally mutinied, and after the fact people were like "Poe is great, isn't?" WHAT?
Mateus Bittencourt she’s just there for pandering
Awesomezeke769 HD not necessarily. She’s used as a poorly thought out plot device to drive up tension, and in turn, be used as a scapegoat for the hyperjump shit she pulled off. It was poor director choice to use her as an antagonistic character in the first half to be “oh she’s doing great” when Leia wakes up. Because the chase scene is boring. There’s little to no antagonistic presence to drive tension and make the stakes feel real, so they try hamfisting in someone that can fill that antagonistic role for that boring segment of the movie. Could her character design be pandering? Sure? But that’s not her primary purpose of existing. Just a shitty move from Ryan.
Holdo is a great writen character, they just made her a "great female hero" in the inverviews. She is a politican who got her command cause she is a friend of leia. She is practicale the In-Universe Version of Kathleen Kennedy. A backstabing, sexist, male-hating politican with no connection to the military. Hell even her bridge-crew is only female of what I saw.
Luke should've broken into tears and hugged chewie as soon as he saw him
Yup. Chewie should’ve went with Rey up to the mountain for Luke to completely ignore Rey for a couple of minutes and mourn with Chewie about Han and THEN talk to Rey.
Why would we need to see that though
@@jimmyvanilla5285 To show thw relationship between luke and chewie since they both lost their best friend. This would also give chewie something good to do instead of being cute with porgs.
@@grayski3324 we see him sad and shocked but I don’t think we need more of it
@@jimmyvanilla5285 I think its more along the lines that thinking of the characters in context of the scenario that would be the likely outcome. Chewie is a sentient being who forms attachments and bonds he has more reason want to see Luke than Rey who wants to train under him because he like any other close friend would've missed Luke. Hope that gives you a perspective on the other viewpoint :)
Mauler's critique of TLJ is my favourite star wars trilogy.
I've never even seen _The Last Jedi_ and this is my second time watching through them. It's fascinating to learn about the mechanics of storytelling. A lot of us have an instinctual understanding of what is or isn't good storytelling and I enjoy hearing why that is.
The Year is 2050. Go to movies, it's the weekly MCU movie. Disney logo on screen. It's phase 12 of the story. Movie starts, Tobey Maguire is in a wheelchair. A burglar comes into his house, steals his Funko Pops. Tobey says "it's peterin time" (this is a reference to the hit 2022 film morbius). Also says "that sounded better in my head." He puts on his mask, the crowd screams until my ears ring. He swings at the man as he's running away. A portal opens and captain Europe steps into the scene. Tobey accidentally swings into him He says "it's all good I have healthcare". Crowd cheers, captain Europe had his own TV show in 2048 and this is a reference to his prostate exam episode in season 6 where he makes the same joke. Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield come through the portal and point at each other, making the funny Spider-Man meme again. They all start jerking each other off as the camera zooms out, revealing the Death Star and the Star Wars theme briefly plays. Crowd cheers again before the screen cuts to black and Darth Vader's laugh plays. Post credit scene shows Thanos reappear, and he says, "I'm coming for you Redditors." Crowd cheers one last time, before news sources are saying this is one of the best movies of all time. Thank you Disney for saving the film industry.
Lol worth the read
They should start episode 9 with Rey suddenly back on the island with Luke still holding out his lightsaber to him realizing everything that transpired in the last Jedi was just Luke trolling her with some force trick to teach her about over confidence or some shit.
Gottem
The only time that trope would be acceptable tbh.
Erase the entire movie.
Well, that'd be a lesson failed. Too manny things to be thrown of, too many red flags and logic holes.
Though would show that overconfidence is indeed her problem and needs training. A lot.
Neat Solution.
We can all wish.
@AsiaNPC In the world of Tsukuyomi, 72 hours will pass for 1 second in the real world. It fits!
I think it's ridiculous how they cut out lukes reaction to his best friends death
I hated that. It was such bad writing.
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko the most insulting part is that they actually shot that moment.... AND THEN FUCKING LEFT IT OUT OF THE MOVIE!!!! And for what? So we could have that green alien tit milk scene?
@@mr.barcode3186 That scene was made by Rian Fucking Johnson taking a pissed at Luke Skywalker and the Star Wars fans. Seriously fuck that guy.
I think that was honestly a straight out spiteful decision. TLJ was specifically made to piss on the Original Trilogy and insult the people who liked it.
You get part of it and that’s enough, there’s no reason to see the rest of it
The first proper sequel we got to the OT was Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire book trilogy, set about 5 years after ROTJ. And imo one of the best things about it was how it showed both what the New Republic would be like then and what the Empire remnants would be doing to try to get back in power. We hear about systems/planets that support either side, and we see both sides working to get more planets to their side. Things like that don't seem to have been a priority at any part of the process in making these new films.
It baffles me that people saw this series and concluded Mauler was a "crying man-baby" and used the series as an example of the "toxic, unfair hate" towards this movie - I've hardly seen a better example of a video with such thorough and fair argumentation. Although I guess, despite sitting through 2 hours of TLJ, they didn't bother to even sit through one full video of this, so I can't blame them for getting the entire content wrong.
And this is as good a place as any to point out that a group of people desperately clinging onto anything to try and argue that the sequels were good are calling fans of the OT (and prequels) that hate episodes 7-9 immature and part of "group-think" (yes, an actual comment accused people making actual arguments against TLJ of "group-think"). I guess that's just the internet...
Bruh. This is the most man-baby reddit moderator turbo-neckbeard video on the entire website.
@@GigaDonk99 And what about it makes you say that? What about a video that analyses the script of a movie is neckbeard? Tell me, because I'm genuinely lost.
@@cranberryrosebud That person has no idea why they believe what they believe. It was pretty obvious that using people's political leanings as way to deflect criticism was baked right into the film's marketing. You know: "anyone who doesn't like the sequel trilogy is a racist misogynist." That way they get a bunch of dumb progressives (and I say that as a progressive myself) who will tenaciously defend it no matter how stupid and bad it is. Obscenely privileged film executives from a massive corporation have figured out a way to get supposed progressives on their side. It's ridiculous.
Honestly that kind of thing is built in the marketing of _a lot_ of entertainment now and is sometimes present in the entertainment itself. It's stupid and needlessly divisive but a least the people on Twitter are supporting them, right? Sure people have been abandoning once beloved franchises like Star Wars and Marvel but it was worth it to score some cheap political points.
To some people about story criticism, long = bad, as if Mauler was wasting his life making these videos just for enlarging petty argument.
The worst part is that they actually had the opportunity to have Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Harrison Ford in that movies and they fucked it so badly ...
Too soon
This makes my head hurt. Wow they fucked it all up.
Apollo-N
Man that really hurts when I think of the opportunity wasted there. They could have shot a flash back scene wit Kylo on his first day at Luke Jedi training. Han, and Leia seeing there son off with Luke. Reminiscing on old times. The could have cut the scene but at least it would have been shot, and maybe used for a directors cut. Just having it exist would have been good enough for me. I think JJ doesn't get enough credit for fucking that opportunity up.
@eon001
if they would make flashback with younger Han, Luke and Leia, internet would probably explode with "BUT BRUH CGI SUUUUCKS WHYYYY", some even ranted that they used CGI Yoda in TLJ, I guess puppeteer is damn too good :D
Adrijana Radosevic
I only complain on people complaining "its bad because it's CGI". Yet no one noticed, that in Infinity War even freaking wall in New York was not real. Hell, at one point even Robert Downey Jr. was fully CGI. So calm your pants down, I might have strange sense of humor, but I'm not ranting for the sake of ranting.
I think Tarkin would've said "open fire" right after Poe tells them who he is.
Probably, but I think he was trying to craft a scene that accomplishes the same point as in the movie just in a manner that let's you still take the bad guy seriously.
"This is Poe the-" *Explosion*
*film ends*
Agreed.
nope, he would say "You may fire immediately"
@@johnherb4243 "Take the bad guy seriously."? Like General Hux faux-hilarious phone call with Poe Dameron?
There was such great potential for Luke to be this buddhist-style teacher, forcing Rey to work through paradoxes and become one with the world to understand the force, but then in comes Rian's inability to write any kind of character and he became a directionless buffoon
Mauler's script for the poe/first order conversation at the beginning is spot on and I would've loved to see it in the movie without a word changed. It still would've worked for hux if they hadn't decided to make him an idiot
Wow seeing Mark Hamills facial expressions during these interviews is truly heartbreaking you can tell how upset he is about Disney destroying his character its like he feels somewhat responsible for letting down everybody who adored Luke's character
I agree, the crazy part is he did such a good job acting the role I still kind of like grumpy Luke
Here's a crazy idea, what if Mark drew his inspiration to act as grumpy old Luke from his inability to convince Rian that his script was trash?
He looks truly dead inside in a lot of them. His unfocused eyes, his weary expression, the way his shoulders heave as if he's almost hyperventillating... It's very telling.
*leaves a map leading to his location should he be needed*
*wants to be left alone because he wants to die*
lolwut?
That's kind of on TFA because leaving a map to where you are split up across the galaxy...is kind of dumb whether you want to be found or not.
@@lProN00bl Yep, thats thanks to JJ, who doesn't get enough blame for poorly setting up this trilogy. Rian just finished what Jj started.
Kern I agree. The Force Awakens was mediocre to begin with.
Luke didn't leave a map though, han clearly said that those who knew him best suspected he went off to find the first jedi temple. The First Order recovered the first section of the map whilst lor san tekka had the rest.
Mark Hamill didn't know that Luke was going to be killed at the end of TLJ, Ryan did it in post and Mark saw it at the premiere. This is why he looks like he's about cry when standing next to Rian in the post premiere interview.
Mauler respecting y-wing superiority gives me life...
Your Peter Cushing impression just makes my heart melt, despite this being the second or third time listening to this video. Thank you so much. :)
I’m addicted to vitriolic reviews of The Last Jedi, so you’re only enabling my problem with this.
Bless you.
Nobody You Know you just described my last month. It's somehow soothing hearing how bad it is over and over.
Nobody You Know I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't stop watching. I was beginning to think I had a serious problem.
Weird. I feel the exact same way with every comment here.
They are so entertaining to watch when getting your frusrtations out when confronted by the BS this film shat out that destroyed everything that came before.
Same here, its been a month in and I'm still looking for rants
I wish I could give Mark Hamill a hug. Treated the worst out of all of this madness.
Yeah, most of his interviews about TLJ are kind of humorous, with the amount of low-key shade he's throwing at it, but the one at 1:02:44 is just... depressing. To see someone with such talent and influence on pop culture, to just want it to all go away.
aronomics He is SO wholesome. How can you bear a grudge against a guy who has the nicest definition of a jedi. Oh but NO! we have to make them ambiguous and amoral and all shady types said Rian Johnson. The pain on Mark Hamill’s face during conferences is soul-wrenching
What u on about?
He Pushed Fisher into taking Coke Again...or she had spare cash again...one of the 2.
@@DomBrownyo If anything, it was the stress and insult she had to endure during the filming.
You can see Mark Hamill seething in misery at 1:10:55.
And listening beyond there, it's obvious Mark Hamill was chafing at the abuse of his character and the standard Hollywood "kill the old, replace it with the new teenage "better version" ASAP", and you can see Mark damn near breaking down in tears before Simon Pegg says how much Luke Skywalker meant to him.
Also, this movie is contrivance after contrivance to get to previously chosen scenes, not the scenes that he cast would arrive at on their own.
I just rewatched this for the second time, and the clips of Mark just make me sad. He is clearly very passionate about the role and the emotional attachment so many of us have to Luke Skywalker, and that makes it hurt all the more keenly to see him so upset.
15:00 "Rian wouldn't dare humiliate Tarkin, right?"
HE WOULD!
Well after what he did To luke... nothing can surprise me.
i doubt the man even knows who tarkin is.
@@ProudVet-Russ valid point.
@@femtoservants nothing can *subvert your expectations*
I agree with this ENTIRE video. TLJ was Rian johnson saying "the star wars you knew and loved is dead, i dont just not care about it, i laugh at it and think its stupid. now feel emotions about my new 'strong' characters!". Rian johnson was THAT kid on the playground that would argue that you didnt kill him while playing star wars, because he had a magical armor set and force powers that gave him multiple lives.
This is an argument for another timeline, another possibility.
We only found out about the train-wreck that is the Disney Lucasfilm Story Group being so badly managed that they didn't get consulted for Episodes 7 or 8, or 9 before production began or get final script approval to ensure any continuity in the story.
The upside is, JJ can bring Luke back, destroy the Falcon, murder chewbacca, whatever. he can make Carrie Fisher a posthumous rapist, it's all moot.
+Michael Guy So are you saying 9 doesn't have to be continuous with 8? I personally hope Abrams says 8 is a Force nightmare Finn had in a coma but I honestly don't believe he would have the backbone to do that despite that being pretty much what RiJo did to 7 with 8.
I think the "wake up from nightmare" is a great opening to 9, because of the time-skip that has to happen to explain Leia's death, and to expand the evil empire and 'let the resistance die', and from the ashes, turn into victory nonsense that Rian set up. or whatever that was to fizzle out and die.
You then get to tell the story of Rey again properly, and you can bring back whomever you want to get the parts from 8 and 9 that JJ's mystery box had left over. The best part about speculating for 9 is that EVERYONE DIES is the best outcome for fans. or EVERYONE LIVES, it's all a shit sandwich of options each worse than the last.
The larger problem for 9, is the idea that the skywalkers are the main thread. There's almost no palatable redemption arc for Kylo at this point. Ruining Luke as a Pedophile Priest is the bridge you can't un-cross, because nearly all of the characters are destroyed in the process. You can't even really tell the same story from the point that Luke is dead, Snoke is dead and the First Order is a mercenary group of ideologues. You almost have to SHOCK HORROR, tell a fucking story again. The advantage of being able to murder everyone from the original trilogy, is that you can now fuck the fans and destroy everything in one Pyrrhic "fuck everyone" suicidal moment to kill off all of the characters to "subvert expectations." I probably would pay money to see Ridley's corpse on fire in the ruinous husk of the Shattered and lifeless Millennium Falcon at this point, the Porgs chewing on Chewbacca's dismembered corpse. SUBVERT EXPECTATIONS. or the Rey/Chewbacca babies ... whatever.
The movies are dead weight at this point.
Or, and this is most likely what will happen, is that JJ replays all the story beats from Return of the Jedi, Snoke is alive and has built another starkiller base planet again. Luke is alive, and helping Rey with her NOT_A_JEDI Academy of students, and Rose, is now a secret princess, who is captured and frozen in carbonite for reasons by the first order, yada yada yada.
Catherine H. Abrams was burned out... until they paid him a prince's sum.
Michael Guy while i ironically agree that it would be cool to see JJ straight up ignore ep 8 and so his own thing, i belive that would be unwise because it would fracture the whole saga further.
With proper writing, episode 9 can smartly retcon or explain away the issues with ep 8 while still telling an intriguing and original story, with better character development from the scraps left behind by ep 8.
Let luke stay dead, otherwise it would undermine the stakes of the story.
Bring some flaws and vulnerability to rey. Give her a proper back story that explains why she is so powerful in the force. Give the audience a reason to understand why rey might be struggling with the dark side.
Remove some of the slapstick antics from fin's character. This is a guy that was a highly trained storm trooper. Lets see that stormtrooper training and insight in action. He can still have a sense of humor, but a trained killer like fin should have a sense of quiet intesnity about him. Not to mention his struggles with the war crimes of his past.
Poe could also show some vulnerability. Id be interested in a more fleshed out back story for him. Fin and poe's bromance was a fan favorite. Expand on the friendship in the next film.
Right now kylo ren has been depicted as a whiny brat, not fit to be emperor. Give him some wisdom and show that he js developing as a formiddable dark side weilder. And please, let him beat rey for once to show that all hus training is not worthless.
Rose's relationship with fin felt forced. If this is to continue, she needs to be empathetic with the audience in her actions, not just her back story.
I was one of those kids that played Luke and Han so long ago when I was 8. I remember all the fun I had. Its hard to believe what happened to the character. I feel so bad for Mark.
I absolutely love and appreciate your work. Its a script beside a script and evokes emotion. Thank you. Breaks my heart to watch Mark and what hes gone through. Ty
17:11 "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick"
*Gameplay of Republic fighter spinning*
This alone is better than TLJ
Lmao i noticed too
That was battlefront 2 (2005), there are space sequences
@@the_carvinator I know it's Battlefront 2 (2005), I was just pointing out that the ship in the clip was a republic star fighter.
*WWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEE*
The saddest is not even the film itself. It’s the devastation on Mark Hamill’s face every time Luke’s character is brought up.
Calm down, he’s just old.
It would be like Captain America turning into a drug-dealing pimp. The disrespect of the Woke is beyond the pale.
If you watch the old videos of young Mark talking about the first Star Wars film, you can see that even at such a young age, he has a deep understanding of and passion for the art of storytelling, and the power of inspiration.
Seeing a lifelong actor with a love for inspirational characters being contractually obliged to help tear down and deconstruct his own inspirational character is kind of heartbreaking.
I never heard these Hamill interviews and boy do they make me even sadder than I've been the past 5 years.
Mauler's dialogue for Tarkin was better than all the dialogue in the sequels
I love Mark Hamil. Giving us proper Jedi lore:
"A Jedi, if he makes a mistake, goes off on a massive sulk for not more than six months. Then he makes it right."
(adds this to the religious tome of Jediness)
What about yoda ?
Carlos Ribeiro the reason why he went on solitude was because he knew the Jedi were corrupted and let the empire reign until luke can to his planet so he can be trained
@@zekehd2093 and the moment luke arrives he tells obi wan he can't train luke,the main reason of his exile.There are plot holes in all of the trilogies.
An important difference to keep in mind for Yoda’s exile versus Luke’s is when and why Yoda made the decision. Yoda didn’t go into exile when the Jedi Order failed to stop Sidious. He went into exile after failing to kill Sidious.
Yoda wasn’t sulking and waiting to die. He failed to stop the villain, realized he was out of his depth, and retreated so as to safeguard the knowledge and wisdom of the Order that he embodied. Plus, while in exile, he clearly achieved the clarity and insight needed to help revitalize the Order through anyone he might train. Him rejecting Luke was simply him recognizing that the student he was sent was not mentally mature enough to avoid making things worse. Besides, he had Leia as a backup. It was risky to reject one twin without really knowing the second was a better option, but it isn’t a contradiction within the context of the Originals (though I agree that him promising to train Luke and Leia when they were infants is a plot hole within the context of the Prequels).
Luke, by contrast, was just waiting to die. There was nothing gained by him sitting around for years, and he never intended for anything to be gained. He wasn’t even hiding from a threat in the hopes of training new Jedi. He was just sulking.
This doesn’t make the Prequel-introduced plot hole any less silly. However, we can’t use Yoda’s actions in the previous trilogies as evidence to support Luke’s in the Sequels. The situations and motivations are simply not the same.
Carlos Ribeiro that’s because he was to old to train luke and then he trained him later on to fight and lose to vader
"People are so used to clickbait they expect to be lied to".
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why did you subscribe to this? was it the incoherent babbling that NEVER got to the point?
Incoherent babbling? What video were you watching? This was incredibly coherent for something on UA-cam. Nearly every word served a purpose. The biggest exception being that he repeatedly used "decimate" where he clearly meant "devastate", but that's just nit picking because we all knew what he meant so the purpose was still served.
Please feel free to point out examples of incoherent babbling in this video. I suggest you use direct quotes and concisely explain your reasoning point by point exactly as the author of this video has done.
If my reply seems incoherent to you, please, let me know and I'll say all of this again with smaller words.
Same. this dude's absolutely brutal takedowns of empty-headed thought processing is top kek.
look its 10 mins in and he has talked about the crawl lol hes not talking about anything of any substance hes just vomiting words but i get it you think of yourself as an intellectual and you think your better than others lol so you feel free to feel superior commenting jibberish on a bad overly long star wars review that doesnt review starwars
Lyndon- If you made it ten minutes into the video and didn't notice a discussion of anything beyond the opening crawl, then you must have zoned out for at least nine minutes. This video does not represent the most clear and well supported argument I've ever heard, but it is one of the most clear and well supported arguments I've ever heard on the internet.
You're welcome to dismiss it if you like, particularly if you loved The Last Jedi and you can't stand to hear something you loved maligned, but it's beyond silly to say that he doesn't discuss anything of substance. Nearly everything he says has weight with people who care about great storytelling.
While I'm certain that I'm better than any number or people that share the planet with us (for example, I definitely believe I am superior to serial killers and child rapists), I won't believe I'm better than you until I have some evidence of that. For all I know you have forgone the pleasures of life, live in a hovel, and work seven days a week to free and rehabilitate child soldiers in Africa. That would probably make you a better person than me, but being smarter than I am would not. Brains only take you so far in life, and some of the worst people were very, very smart.
I'm smart, but no genius, so I'm cursed with a desire to see well written stories. Lots of people can "turn off their brains" and enjoy a film, but I work a dull job so I spend most of my life "turning off my brain". When I go to see a movie, I'd like it to be more intellectually stimulating than a fireworks show. I need the writers to pay attention to world building, character development, and suspension of disbelief or I'm bored off my gourd. I don't need it to be perfect, but The Last Jedi didn't really even try to provide what I'm looking for.
Maybe these things don't matter to you, but they matter to lots of people who used to care about the Star Wars franchise. These are the reasons that I, and many other people, are no longer interested in seeing where Disney takes the story. If you don't mind the issues that we have with the film, that's fine. I am not offended by that. You have your reasons.
Maybe you perform rocket surgery all day and really enjoy watching flashing colors on a screen in your off time. Good for you, it just makes you the target audience for the new direction Star Wars is taking. Enjoy it. I got to enjoy Star Wars for thirty years or so before Disney got a hold of it. I don't mind if you take your turn, but I'd appreciate it if you don't dismiss this guy's arguments without even listening to what he has to say, which is pretty obviously what you have done if you honestly believe your previous statement. You'd have to be monumentally stupid if you actually listened to him and still honestly believed what you said.
Remember, people who are actually smart are nearly indistinguishable from people who are trying to sound smart if you either don't listen or you can't understand the points they are trying to make. I don't see any evidence here that you either listened to or understood what he was saying. You are entitled to your opinion, and I wholeheartedly support your right to spout it on the internet and shout it to the hills, but you can't sway me if you don't properly support your argument.
Great job, as always Mauler.
I've never seen a movie more at odds with it's story. Everything it wants you to believe it's directly contradicted by what happens in the story.
Art uses our logical, human connection to the world to make us feel things. Great art is something that can be looked at in a way that teaches us about ourselves and the way the world works around us. If you're hell-bent on forcing a narrative into your art, instead of developing the story logically, your story will mean nothing. Ideas in isolation are worthless in life and worthless in art.
I would honestly love a similar in-depth response from those "professional" critics who loved the film. Because I'm still struggling to see how you could just look past all this