As far as I know, a child's name is not allowed to have a negative connection. That's why a child in germany is not allowed to be called Judas. In spite of the recent trend of believing that a boy named Kevin is not quite right up there. So, unless a Kevin does something really heinous, like that Adolf-Guy in the thirties, it'll probably be allowed. Though for some reason, I heard the name Oscar is not allowed, while Oskar is perfectly fine. And it's not really a thing that english or foreign names are forbidden. Cindy/Sindy is an allowed name in Germany, for example. I'm also not sure why Oscar is forbidden, unless they think of the Sesamstraße-character "Oscar aus der Tonne", that green monster that lives in a garbage bin. Or ist it called dumpster? But that seems farfetched.
Well even us Germans who like to regulate everything won't stop you to give your child a perfectly valid name even if it disadvantages you. We will stop you from giving your kid a made up name that disadvantages you thou.
Because we didn't have a really bad Kevin 😂 you're able to name your child whatever you want except some specific names. But of course, you can go to an lawyer if you want to name your child something weird. And some people have got "luck"... Kevin is just a name here but yes, many people think negative about it. It's because in East Germany during DDR the people named their children Kevin, Cindy, chantalle and so on. Don't know why, but they did. And it's still a thing that people think that the east Germans are dumb as fuck. So when you name your kid Kevin you are showing everyone that you don't care about education. Teachers think really like that. We already know that Kevin is getting worse school notes than Maximilian. Just because of the name. We also have to give a child a second name in some cases. When you want to call you child Kai, you have to take a second name because Kai is a male and a female name. But everyone has to know if this is a boy or a girl. So it can be Kai Michael or Kai Melanie. But in the Ende, no one really cares for the name of your child. Except the people around you who have to live with that.
Until about 25 or so years ago, a child was forbidden to have only a foreign name. So, if you wanted your child to have a foreign name like, say, Carlos, you had to give a second name to them that is inherently "german". Funny enough, names like Judas are forbidden - a name like Adolf is not.
Yea sad day ehen u only can have two names. Know a guy with five cause the parents couldn't decide and a girl with three. Two of which are an Austrian monarch.
The German govt. does not dictate what you name your kid. They don't come to you and tell you your kid's name is 'Ralf'... or else! Instead, they VETO what you can NOT name your kid. And yes: that _IS_ quite a difference.
@@partlycurrent Year. Because Ralf is the shortcut for “Resistance Alien Life Form”. I know that because my brother is named so. He learnt with 5 how to move on a trafficked street (because I pushed him) and was not hurt.
Indeed, some things schould be researched more carefully and thouroughly. Because false Information can be fatal. Of course only for people who believe everything directly without questioning the statements and doing additional research themselves.
Germany isn't even the only country that does this. France, Portugal... and also non-European countries do it. This US sentiment that "We should be allowed to do with our kid what WE want" is the exception, not the rule. Note also, the US hasn't even ratified the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. Signed, but not ratified. That tells you a lot about the US approach to children, which is abysmal. Not surprisingly, in many US states, it's perfectly legal to beat your child senseless. It has NOTHING to do with "freedom of speech" or "freedom of expression". A name is not speech, it's an identity you are giving a child. And it is not your freedom of expression, it should be the child's, and the child has a right to a dignified name. Naming your kid joke names is ridiculous and pretty unfair. Would you want to live with that name yourself? If not, why should your child? You also didn't bring up the very reasonable rejections given to some names in Germany. Like Pumuckl. Or Pepsi-Cola. Or "Friede mit Gott durch Jesus Christus" (nevermind that Friedegott is a real name they could have used, but no, gotta be speshul~). The government has an obligation to protect children from obvious harm, and parents don't have a superior right to be idiotic with their kids' names. Those are children, not pets. Even though the US laws consider them the same thing: Property and things without rights. But then, the US government also still hasn't outlawed the KKK, so clearly rights are still given out on a case-by-case basis. Apparently, someone always has to be property for the sake of someone else's ego.
Wait! You name your kids after states? Nice, I like to introduce myself: Florian Nordrhein-Westphalen Mustermann. You have to meet my good friend Michael Mecklemburg-Vorpommern Müller!
I never understood that controversy. Name your child Nepomuk, where "Pumuckl" is obviously derived from, and all is good, and it is just as "originell". If the kid decides he doesn't want to be called like character from a children's book, he still has the opportunity to use his full name or go by "Nepo" or something similar. Besides, it's actually a German name based on a town's name.
@@JediMB I am very certain German authorities wouldn't even get the joke and allow it. Maximus is definitely okay as a first name and Wiener is not so much associated with dicks in Germany.
Hi Kelly, I disagree with your conclusion, that German gov dictates how to name your kid. It just says how you cannot name your child. That's a huge difference. The law protects the child not just from bullying in school, but also his or her possible career as an adult. Some names may sound cute for a baby, but put a CEO before the name and think about if you would respect a person with that name as your boss. Some parents are just too st...shortsighted to think that far ahead, so this law is a good one.
Oh yes. I had a colleague who was some kind of team leader / project manager in a big project and his name was Nickie. Wherever it was possible he forced the people to call him Nick (also his email address and signature was written like that) because he hated Nickie. I understand that, it sounded a way to cute for a man like him. P.S. This was in Germany. I think for an American it maybe doesn't sound like that.
Bullying happens even with normal names. Kids are assholes and will find a way to bully you on your name. My brother's name was Brian so the kids called him cryin Brian. My name was Pessica.
@@jessicaely2521 There is a possibility, that first and last name where too similar to words or phases in the real world. For example a child from the family Grube shouldn't be called Claire. Because Claire Grube is homophon to Klärgrube (cesspool).
Das mit den 2 oder 3 Vornamen stammt noch aus vorherigen Jahrunderten. Damit die Familienlinie erkennbar blieb, hat der Nachwuchs je nach Sohn oder Tochter einen Rufnamen bekommen und als Zusatz den Namen des Vaters/der Mutter oder Großvaters/Großmutters oder beides. So hat sich die Tradition einer Familie bewahrt, da damals ja noch nicht alles schriftlich festgehalten wurde, wie es heute der Fall ist.
Sometimes I feel like I am the only german telling people about my middle name. But I am one of the only ones that has a cool middle name in my opinion :D
No one beats my 2 middle names XD Michael Josef Ferdinand XD My first name comes from my dad and the other comes from my grandfathers... I only wish I had somting my own XD at least I have somting that reminds me...
I think I MOSTLY agree with your conclusion, I don't think a name like "Berlin" is incredibly damaging for a child in life. However, I am VERY glad that Germany forbids idiots from naming their children ridiculous things like "ABCDE" (Yes, in the case you described, the name actually was in all caps on her ID) or "Abortion" (also a name that a couple of actual people in the US are named). Apart from being bullied, don't you think a child might get some MINOR issues growing up with a name that basically indicates that their parents didn't actually want them?
I seen about the little boy named adolf Hitler his parents were "neo-nazis" and the state actually came in and took the boy away for the parents and forced them to change his name. Though adolf is a good strong name it was made very dark and there for should be rejected as a name in my opinion. People do need to think about their kids before naming them.
The most retarded name i have ever seen is "Le-a". Spelled "Ledasha". Because the dash is not supposed to be silent. I almost pucked. I am not sure if stuff like this would work here.
This can be avoided by overall forbidding names that have negative meaning/translation. Everything else should be alright. For example, before "Adolf" Hitler there could have been thousands of good men named "Adolf". It's not the name that made the monster, but a monster who dishonored the name. "Abortion" on the other hand has a clear negative meaning. "Sodom" would be dangerous, not sure about "Gamora" though. In the Bible it's spelled "Gomorrah", the character from Guardians of the Galaxy is called "Gamora". Pronouciation is quite close and will cause some unwanted attention from religious folks. But then again, "Adolf" would probably raise more eyebrows even if it was "Gomorrah" instead of "Gamora".
There are actually names for all genders in Germany like Kim or Sascha. But the second name must bei related to the gender. Well, this was the rule some years ago.
Hat mit der englischen Sprache zu tun. Ich weiß grade nicht genau wann, aber früher haben die Leute ihre Abkürzungen im englischen über Reime gemacht. Edward = Ed, reimt sich mit Ted Richard = Rick, reimt sich mit Dick William = Will, reimt sich mit Bill Usw. Das geht auch bei Slangwörtern im englischen so. Inzwischen ist das einfach so normalisiert, dass der normale englische muttersprachler niht mehr weiß wieso das eigentlich so ist. Passiert im deutschen ja auch XD
I also know people (Male+female) named Deniz or Esra (sure, not really German but absolutely fine with the law. Plus it is no problem giving your Child a name that is used for girls and boys, you just have to choose a second name that indicates the childs gender.
Actually, Abcde or North West, and a plethora of other weird names from the US seem to underline how important naming regulation is, as it is obvious that parents can't be trusted with making responsible decisions on that subject. and before someone jumps on me for saying this - despite all the regulations we have in Germany, I do have one of those names that cause jokes and comments, so I know what I'm talking about.
ich kenn einen Franz Franz - einige Hohlköpfe mit einem Vornamen als Nachname sind blöd genug, ihrem Kind den gleichen Namen als Vornamen zu geben. Der mildeste Witz dabei ist noch, ihn dann zu fragen, was nun der Vor- und was der Nachname ist. andererseits kannte ich auch mal einen Franz Josef Kaiser - Kaiser Franz Josef ist fast schon wieder cool...
Here is a couple names that luckily got rejected: Pfefferminza, Mandy (für einen Jungen), Junge, Störenfried, Theiler (statt Tylor), Blitz, Schröder,Whisky, Waldmeister, Joghurt, Crazy Horse, Borussia, Desperado, Popo, Kirsche, Köln, Porsche, Gucci, Seniorina, Satan. Thank God there is rules.
Porsche is a fairly common American name. And we are used to uncommon names. But maybe not Satan or Adolph or Lucifer. Part of it in the USA is that we have people from the whole world, so we are used to every imaginable name. And we just shrug and ask how to spell the weird ones. No one really pays attention.
@@BannanaAnna12 in my country Croatia some women are named Kirsche which is Višnja in croatian...or Strawberry which is Jagoda ....But I have to say those names sound pretty good in Croatian but not really in German or English xD
Unfortunately, there are a few that should have been rejected but weren't. The one that I remember from the top of my head is Pumuckl. To put that into perspective for someone not familiar with the kobold from German children books and TV shows, it's akin to calling your child Meowth (from Pokémon).
I heard about German parents who wanted to call their daughter "Pillula" because she was born despite the birth control pill. It's a good thing that this was forbidden. We would have "Condomus" or "Intrrupta" too. Some parents want to be funny, and the child will be pissed.
It's also worth mentioning that in Germany the procedure of changing names is not intended by local authorities and reserved for severe cases. So parents opting for a funny name often come to regret their decision when their own child starts hating them for it.
You should have explained that the popular movie Home alone was called Kevin allein zuhaus in Germany which started the popularity of the name in the lower classes and finally led to this stigma. 20 years ago the name Kevin had no negative connotation to it.
@@UlliStein Without a doubt Kevin is portrayed as a very clever boy. But which parents name their child after a trendy Hollywood movie? Academics, who are already planning which school their son should attend? Or rather the lower classes, who may wish that their child is clever like Kevin, but do not foresee its adulthood?
@@UlliStein It’s said that poor families watch way more TV and they choose names which they heared in TV series. That’s why all think that English-named people are bad at school.
The initial popularity of the name Kevin in Germany was not due to the film "Home Alone", but to the soccer player Kevin Keegan, who moved from Liverpool FC to Hamburger SV in 1977 and helped the club win the German Soccer Championship in 1979.
There is no "government office" in Germany telling you how you can or can't name your child. It's simply the people registering newly-born children on the local level (for the municipalities in the Standesamt, the office responsible for births, weddings and deaths) who work with a certain set of rules.
Die Lehrerin fragt die ABC-Schüler am ersten Schultag nach ihren Namen. „Ich heiße Hannes“, sagt der Erste. „Das heißt nicht Hannes, sondern Johannes“, berichtigt ihn die Lehrerin. „Ich heiße Achim“, sagt der Zweite. „Das heißt nicht Achim, sondern Joachim“, berichtigt ihn die Lehrerin. „Und wie heißt du?“, fragt sie den Nächsten. „Jokurt, Frau Lehrerin.“
@@imrehundertwasser7094 Hahaha, I get it. My father never spoke German to me while I was growing up, so I would not call myself a native speaker. I am Dutch by the way, so that might make the joke easier to understand. My father's name is Horst, people just don't get it around here ;)
So, I wouldn't say that Kelly is a negativ name here in Germany. At least i never heared of anything negativ around it. There is a popular German UA-camr with the Name Kelly MissesVlog. I dont know any other Girl with the Name Kelly.
I once saw an american talk show where one of the guests where a woman in her 50's who's parents named her Pumpkin Pie. - It had clearly been a life of constant embarrassment, even living in the US. I'm glad that I live in a country that at least try to protect kids from such shitty choices. What's cute for an adorable 2 month old, doesn't always work for a 32 year old on a job application.
@@hildajensen6263 Pumpkin Pie...? Seriously? And I always thought my name was annoying. At least it is a REAL NAME for a person. Is it easy to change the name in the US?
It's common in the US where if someone doesn't like their given legal first name they just introduce themselves to people as a name that they like. Not a big deal to circumvent a name that you don't like. The person named Pumpkin Pie was probably just dumb to not use a different name. And then if the "secret" of a weird name is discovered to explain that it wasn't the person's fault, it was the fault of the parents. No one blames a person that has a weird name unless they give it to themself.
I think you made it more dramatic than it is. No German government dictates you a name for your child. There are some restrictions wich derive from the idea, that each child is not the property of its parents, but a citizen. And , as in America, each child has to be given some shelter from obvious discrimination even by the parents. A problem has been a common turkish femael first name for girls, which means "It's enough", given to the third or fourth daughter, when the father wants to have a son. I think, no girl or woman can be happy with that name - for her lifetime. Another objection would be the name "Adolf" for a boy, for obvious reasons. And if you claim, that is a common name in your family, than you would be free to use it. It's just a try to avoid the worst names, parents can think of, just as an expression of responsibility. With giving the child a name, parents should think of the well-being of the child, not just their own entertainment. There are some names which are the same for boys and girls, for example "Kim", but in that case you have to choose a second name which makes the gender obvious.
Wurde die Regel zur eindeutigen Zuordnung der Namen durch den zweiten Namen nicht vor ein paar Jahren gekippt? Ich meine mich da an etwas erinnern zu können.
Das mit dem türkischen Namen höre ich jetzt nach meinem ganzen Leben zum ersten Mal und ist wirklich absurd das der Spiegel so etwas als seriöses Problem darstellen würde. Für mich ist das typische Meinungsmache gegen die Türkei. Wärst du so nett es im ursprünglichen Kommentar zu entfernen? Es wirft ein schlechtes Licht auf alle türkischen Familien und spiegelt aufgarkeinen Fall die Realität wieder. Danke.
As a german restriction of what names you are allowed to give your child makes perfectly sense for me. As not the parents but the children must live with the choice every day. I was working in an office where I got hugh amount of names lists.... believe me, even with the allowed names parents can create something you don't wish for someone. Especially as the list is not so restrictive as it seems, e.g. I know even 2 guys named Gandalf.
@@johnp139 I agree but not because of the names. But independent from that freedom shouldn't allow you to harm people. The Berlin example is here not a good one, but if you have a look on the list of names that were rejected you will also find examples like Satan or "Störenfried" what means "Troublemaker" and you can't tell me that this won't have an effect on your life.
I'm a teacher in Belgium, and when i was studying to become a teacher one of the courses was all about unconsious prejudice of all sorts, possibly leading to skewed evaluation of students in either positive or negative ways. And names DEFINITELY can lead to unconsious bias or skewed evaluation. There is plenty of research done in Belgium, The Netherlands, the nordic countries, and many other countries (including Germany) to back this up. There is a ton of research for example on the influence of islamic names and the evaluation and performance of these students in the Belgian school system. And there is plenty of evidence that having for example an islamic name can severly influence the way you are treated as a kid by teachers, other parents and so on. This bias goes for many oher names too. Sometimes they are treated harsher and judged more severely. Sometimes it is the other way around and they are given far more leanway than others, or there are far lower expectations of these students for no reason, which is not good in school either. There are many other effects, reasons, and results and so on, but you get the point. There is also a ton of research that shows that people with foreign sounding names have a far harder time finding jobs or a place to rent, simply because their name sounds foreign. They are put to the back of the que very often in job interviews or by landlords or real estate agents, just because of their name. They did research in which the very same person did job sollicitations (letters) with his/her real (foreign sounding) name and then had the same person do the same interviews with the exact same CV with a Belgian sounding name. And the second time thay had often double the number of invitations for a face to face job interview than when the same person used a foreign sounding name. This has been a discusion for a while now in Belgian politics, wether the government should actively step in to in some way prevent this type of unconsious (and sometimes very consious) discrimination. So bias based just on names does most definetely exist. And yes, i'm sorry to say the bias towards anglo-american names does exist here too. Americans and american culture are sometimes (quite often still) considered a bit stupid or simplistic, and "uncultured" here in Belgium (and Europe in general). So the anglo-american names are often asociated with being stupid and uncultured, and asociated with parents that aren't too bright or "cultured" themselves either. Even though this is becoming less and less a thing due to the ever increasing influence of American TV and movie culture, the bias still exists. And this can have an effect on kids too in school as they are associated with being stupid or having stupid and "uncultured" parents, just because they chose an anglo-american name. Just like someone being called Henry, William, Elisabeth, and so on will often be associated with more fancy, upper class layers of society. It is stupid, but it exists. The most important thing for me as a teacher was that i was made aware of this bias and the research showing that this bias exists, and was tought how to avoid and negate this bias as much as possible. But no one can deny hat certain biases and prejudices exist and that they also fall victim to them even if they don't want to. I know i do even though i try my best not to. I'm just aware of the biasses i sometimes have was tought ways around them. And the same goes in the US too if you think about it. How many kids do you know named Adolf or even Hitler in the US? And how would you react if you heard a friend named their kid Adolf? How would people and teachers react if they saw on paper a kid in their klas was named Adolf? It wouldn't go down very well and people would definetely form a bias about the parents, and maybe even the kid. Or they'd judge the kid because of the name the parents gave him. "He can't have been raised well if he was raised by parents that were ok with naming him Adolf?". Anyone could and probably would fall victim to this way of thinking, so being aware this bias can and will exist is even more important. Thinking this bias does not exist in the US simply because you can name your child whatever you want is pretty naive... Not saying "Kelly does her thing" is naive and such, she probably is aware of this. Just making a point that the bias has been most definetely been proven to exist, and that being aware of it is very important for anyone, including Americans... ;) Interesting fact: In Belgium we have a tradition of naming people with 3 first names not just 2. Your official name will consist of your proper first name first, and then the names of your godfather and godmother. So you will for example have someone oficially called Herny William Elizabeth Brown, even though he would simply be Henry Brown in every day life. It is only for government and very official purposes that you use your full 3 names. The tradition is definitely becoming less and less used, but quite a few people still do it.
Johan Wittens very well said! There was a movie released in Germany (last year?) and the plot is exactly about this scenario: a couple tells the soon to be grandparents they will name their son Adolf - because they like the name. In Switzerland we have similar assumptions about certain names.
I'm German and my second name is also the name of my godmother. It's the same for both of my parents too. (But we only give the name of the godparent with the same gender)
Yes prejudice is the reason why foreign names are not perceived well. In fact prejudice goes both ways: Wealthy and high status Germans would likely name their children by a traditional sounding name, for example with Greek, old Germanic or Roman roots: Hermann, Maximilian, Christina, Alexander. Those names are perceived with some sense of tradition, class, maybe even wealth. Especially if you combine such names with hyphens: Theodor-Maximilian. Dead giveaway that this child is the offspring of nobility. A stereotype anyway. Lower income people might be more likely to give their children exotic or fad names, possibly even name them after (American) celebrities. So if your name is Kelly, Paris, Ashley, Jason or Jarrett, people might think your parents were just not classy at all or in other words trashy. Or you were not born and named in Germany. In that case these names are fine. :)
I dont really have Something to ad to the conversation... I just fellt the need to bringt this comment further up by responsing to it... You defenitly expressed what I thought all the time :)
Das AlbinoToast No he didn’t. The mother of Hitler‘s father Alois wasn’t married when she had him so he had his mother’s maiden name as a last name: Schicklgruber. The mother later married a man called Johann Georg Hiedler. When Alois Schicklgruber was a grown man he changed his name to Alois Hitler because of an inheritance thing. Adolf Hitler just had his fathers last name, he didn’t choose anything.
The fundamental idea behind the law is still that the given name should not be harmful to the child. And btw. Hitler is not the given name of asshole no 1 it is Adolf and as there is a Christian tradition behind Adolf I'm pretty sure that if parents would insist on Adolf and argue with examples like Adolf Kolping, they could win the case.
Actually, middle names are quite common in Germany, just not widely known. About half (or more) of the people in my class had a middle name (in catholic families this is traditionally the name of their godfather, but also grandparents' names are common), but most of the people don't use them outside of official forms. Furthermore, in 2008 the rule of a name corresponding to a gender was abolished (and prior to that there were "established" both gender names like Luca, Toni, Sascha, Nicola, Robin or Andrea), and it has always been possible to use a neutral name when there is a second name indicating the gender. Speaking of second names: It is actually legal and common to give boys a second name "Maria" (examples include comedians Christoph Maria Herbst and Markus Maria Profitlich, "Shopping queen" moderator Guido Maria Kretschmer, cologne archbishop Rainer Maria Woelki and of course the poet Rainer Maria Rilke) And on a last note, my first name is probably "translatable" into every European language, however my French teacher in elementary school didn't find it on her list, so we decided to use a different name.
I really do ot know how old you are, but to have the middle name of you´re grandpa would mostly be adolph/adolf/or variations from that and after 1945 that name fell to somewhat of a disregard...;)
@@christianbecker7212 I don't know where you get your facts from, but "Adolph" was not even in the top 30 in the years 1930-1945 (except for 1940, when it was at rank 30) (source: www.beliebte-vornamen.de/jahrgang ) So no, this is not true.
or, if you want a graph: www.beliebte-vornamen.de/4501-adolf.htm More likely, they would be named "Karl" www.beliebte-vornamen.de/4863-karl.htm or "Klaus" www.beliebte-vornamen.de/5055-klaus.htm
naja vielleicht heißen jetzt nicht so viele so, aber man hat schon gewisse Assoziationen, wenn man den Namen hört. und ich kenne einen Ronny der irgendwie alle Klischees erfüllt. Trettmann ist da natürlich ausgenommen :D
Naming is also related to social descent. The name Kevin was very popular in "lower social" and "less educated" groups in Germany, just like Vanessa or Justin.
but if you believe it or not... i lived 5 years in lima/peru and there was a boy in the same kindergarten like my son and his firstname was hitler ... and nobody interested it there...^^
Seelenwinter 666 but it‘s more than obvious why nobody was interested lol you can‘t compare Peru with Germany in that ‚Hitler Name‘ case. These countries witnessed the 2WW completely different. So the view of the name is attached to different emotions
There is no such thing as a "middle name" in German. People might have more than one given name. Take the German chancellor: Her name is Angela Dorothea Merkel. Or her predecessor, his name is Gerhard Fritz Kurt Schröder. Or a former Minister of Defence, who is Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Buhl-Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg. All those given names are valid, and you may chose to go by any or some or all of them, though most German will stick to their chosen version.
can you call your kid "Don't" or "Dont" ? so everytime the teacher wants to warn him he would say "Don't be quiet" "Don't sit down" "Don't answer the question" "Don't go to the principals office" "Don't stop harassing the other students"
It would simply not work in German (why the English do not could be packed together to don't, the German "Mach nicht" can't be cramped together) and if parents would choose for the English version the German teacher could easily say "Dont sei leise", "Dont setz Dich hin", "Dont wie ist die Antwort", "Dont geh zum Direktor" or "Dont hör auf die anderen Schüler zu ärgern". But anyway funny idea, thanks for sharing.
Kelly google doch mal abgelehnte Vornamen 2018. Was manche Eltern ihren Kindern antun wollen ist wirklich schlimm! Ich bin froh, dass in Deutschland/Europa nicht alle Namen erlaubt werden! So sollte z. B. ein Kind Nutella, google, Fifa und ein anderes gar Lucifer heißen...
Vor Jahren gab es einmal eine Liste darüber und zwar die Top ten der abgelehnten Namen aber ich habe mir davon nur mehr ein paar gemerkt..den Platz 1 Atomfried und Platz 3 Luzifer aber da war auch Rumpelstilzchen und Pumukl dabei..
ich mag den namen Lucifer. Man darf sein Kind auch Jesus nennen, also wieso nicht Lucifer Stell dir mal du darfst dein Kind nicht "Tom" nennen, wegen Harry Potter oder "James" wegen Twilight. Also nur aufgrund von Fantasy-Büchern
@@Sapphire411 Niemand darf in Deutschland sein Kind Jesus nennen das geht nur in Spanien/Portugal bzw Südamerika..und da Religion in der allgemeinen Gesellschaft noch wert hat darf auch niemand seinem Kind den Namen des Teufels geben..schau einfach einmal nach im Namensrecht da wird das genau erklärt.
@@michaelgrabner8977 Man darf sein Kind in Deutschland auch Jesus nennen, eben weil es in Spanien/Portugal auch so ist. (Falls meine Quellen Falsch sind tuts mir leid) Anderes Beispiel: Du darfst nem Jungen keinen Mädchen Namen, wie z.b. Jessica geben. Vollkommen Nachvollziehbar, nä? Aber wieso dann Maria? Und nur weil andere Leute durch eine Religion (in der es um ein allmächtiges Wesen, einen in der Hölle schmorenden Erzengel und nem Typen der zum Zombie wurde geht = Fantasy-Buch) einen Namen nicht mögen, sollte nicht jeder dadurch gezwungen werden seinem Kind keinen schönen Namen wie Lucifer (was "Lichtträger" bedeutet) geben zu dürfen Edit: Oberlandesgericht Frankfurt Pressemitteilung vom 21.12.1998: Der 20. Zivilsenat des Oberlandesgerichts Frankfurt am Main hat in einem jetzt veröffentlichten Beschluß entschieden, daß Eltern ihrem Kind den Vornamen "Jesus" geben dürfen und Standesämter die Eintragung dieses Vornamens nicht mit dem Hinweis auf die Verletzung religiöser Gefühle ablehnen dürfen.
I think its important that parents can't name their kids whatever they want.. There are so many terrible examples, and kids have to live with it. But I think thats important especially due to german culture and in germany and does not translate to other countries. As you said youself, in the US people use versions of their names that aren't even close to their original form and they sign documents with that and so on.. It doesn't work like that in germany. If you sign an official document with a shortened version of your name you might get into trouble. That together with the stigma around certain names (actually, all names in germany have certain stigma to them..) I think makes it important that there are rules for naming children, because people can't adjust their names to some other version they like more as easily. Also, there are many names that can be used for both Genders, and many germans have a middle name/second name or even third name, just its usually not used outside official documents. (usually germans stick to their first name whether they like it or not because germans like rules and everything being in order lol )
True. I was given my fathers first name as a middle name cause they thought i'd be tradition or something. Well ... my parents got divorced when I was 7 and I pretty much grew up without a father. And I'm stuck with that name. But only my closest friends know what it is. And I'm gonna keep it that way...
Ich unterschreibe nur Bewerbungsanschreiben mit vollem Namen, alles andere, wirklich alles, unterschreibe ich statt des Vornamens nur mit dem Anfangsbuchstaben. A. Musterfrau
@@mona-f Warum genau unterschreiben Sie Bewerbungen mit ihrem vollen Namen? Wenn nicht explizit erwähnt unterschreibe ich auch per Intial-Vorname+Nachname. Bei ein paar Unterschriften wurde der volle Name verlangt, waren üblicherweise Versicherungen oder offizielle Anträge bei Behörden (Eheurkunde z.B.).
@@Gigator Ich hab das so in der Schule gelernt, dass es respektvoller rüberkommt, weil man ja gern eingestellt werden will. Außerdem hat die Lehrerin gesagt, dass man möglichst deutlich unterschreiben soll. Erst wenn man selbst Chef ist, darf man Krikelunterschriften machen, die exzentrisch und extravagant sind.
Well i dream of a world where i can call my child "Naruto", "Link" or "Zelda" and it doesn't count as "weird". Maybe Political Correctness should work on that as well.
I don't really share your opinion about the naming restrictions over here. I think they're useful and necessary. The name should be something the child likes, but for obvious reasons they cannot tell us what they'd like to be called at the time they receive their name ;) Therefore, their parents make the choice, but not all parents base their decision in the well-being of their offspring. Some of them have predominantly their own interests in mind, so they want to be funny or they want to stand out or whatever. That's really unfair and disrespectful toward their child. That's why I welcome the restrictions that are in place here. And since you bring up the example with "Abcde", yes, I think the airline employee should never have shamed them the way they did, that was really mean, especially considering that the child is innocent here, but at the same time I don't approve of this particular naming decision. What must have been the thought process behind that? "Oh, the first 5 letters of the alphabet can be made into a name? That will make our child really special." Something along those lines, I suppose. So do they want to brag that they came up with such a special name? Do they want their child to look special on lists of names? It looks really technical and artificial to me, constructed, not very human-like. Those are the associations that come up in my mind when confronted with this word as a name for a person. Also, the pronunciation somehow got shoehorned onto this group of letters so that it flows well. It's not a natural way to pronounce that word. If that group of letters would be presented to me in writing without prior knowledge of how the name is supposed to sound, I would never ever think that this could be pronounced sensibly as a coherent word. The thing that naively came up would be "Ay-Bee-Cee-Dee-Ee", like in the song or when spelling, which does not sound like a single wholesome word or name at all. (That - of course - is not how the name "Abcde" is supposed to be said. The name is pronounced "Abseedee". My point being that it's not intuitive at all.) Let me give you this example: I like the word "Bremsstrahlung" very much (few people know what it means without looking it up and it's the same word in English, even though it's originally a German word), as a word in itself and from a language perspective, but I would never ever name my child like that just to appear special to the rest of the world.
A last one on names: I think people should find other ways to express themselves than finding a silly name for their children which they ONLY do because THE PARENTS egos need some fixing. They do it because they get aroused by the fact that this name will be in everybody's mouth as soon as they meet their kid. No - that nonsense should be stopped. Put a sticker on your bumper or get a silly tattoo instead, but leave the kids alone. They can't defend themselves and don't even understand the problems such a name can cause throughout their entire life. It is the KIDS' lives, not the parents' - so leave them alone.
I know a musician who signs autographs with his nickname and when he went to get a motorcycle license he had to go and get a new form because he signed it with his autograph instead of his real signature.
Thats not right. Only your last name has to be at official documents. You could sign as : William Taylor, Will taylor or W.Taylor. And when a notary is there to authenticate you actions, Your signature can be nearly everything.
@@einfachnurlisa the middle name is often the name of your godfather or in my case from my grandpa. A second First Name is more like a random second Name chosen by your parents. Most people here in Austria don't mention there middle name. So its often just on officals documents etc.
@@einfachnurlisa Legally all first names are given names and equal. Compared to that, middle names can be given names as well as family names but are always distinct from the first name(s).
Aaaaaber soweit ich weiß muss man in diesem Falle noch einen zweiten Vornamen dazu packen der Geschlechtspeztifisch ist (So jedenfalls habe ich das von zwei Paaren gehört die ihr Kind Kim tauften).
@@BirneGilmore Ich bin gerade dabei, meinen Namen zu ändern, und ja: Man kann bis zu 5 Vornamen haben, aber mindestens einer muss geschlechtsspezifisch sein. Man kann also zum Beispiel einen Jungen nicht Alex nennen ohne einen zweiten Vornamen (zum Beispiel Markus) zu haben. Man kann allerdings mehrere geschlechtsspezifische Namen haben (zum Beispiel kann man einen Jungen Anton Maria nennen) solange der Rufname geschlechtsspezifisch ist (d.h. der Rufname des Jungen ist Anton, nicht Anton-Maria).
Similar thing in Germany. Lower income people might be more likely to give their children exotic or fad names, possibly even name them after (American) celebrities. Paris, Jason etc. Especially names ending in -y are a giveaway: Ashley, Kelly, Ricky. Wealthy and high status Germans would likely name their children by a traditional sounding name, for example with Greek, old Germanic or Roman roots: Maximilian, Christina, Alexandra, Gottlieb. Those names are perceived with some sense of tradition and class.
Big difference between US and Germany and a reason for why the harsh naming restrictions: As far as I know you can change your name in the US fairly easily even to the point where you can make yourself a whole new identity. Comes from not having a proper national ID. In Germany changing your given name is practically impossible. You can only: - Choose your primary or call name from your given names (if you have multiple like first and middle etc.) - Have your artistic or religious pseudonym officially recorded in your ID (for that you have to be published under that pseudonym or actually be a nun or something) - Change your surname to that of your spouse or to a - double name on marriage - Shortening your surname if you have a old fashioned " genannt " thing gong on - Change your surname to that of your other parent as a minor in certain special circumstances And that's it. Once you have a given name in Germany, you are stuck with it. Forever. Officially that is. If you can convince people to call you something else there is of course nobody stopping you. But things like signing that in official documents or just officially going by some abbreviation of your name won't fly.
Sorry but you are wrong. It's certainly a hustle but you CAN legally change your first name in Germany when you have very good reasons. The law regulating this is called „Allgemeine Verwaltungsvorschrift zum Gesetz über die Änderung von Familiennamen und Vornamen“.
isn't changing first name just a bit of a hastle? thought you also can change your family name when it became problematic or have a major diadvantage due to negative assosation (e.g. family name Wichser) through the change of meaning of the word or in rare cases with other person like the family name Hitler.
You are very wrong. My sister got her first name changed in Germany. You have to have some kind of good reason, but it's easy really. You just go to Standesamt, fill out the form, pay a bit of money and DONE.
Hi Kelly, we do have simular things in Germany, for example: Josef becomes Sepp or Jupp or Johann becomes Hans . Then we do have also names for boys and girls like : Alex, Kim, Robin, Kay, ... and also nicknames like; Andi, Steffi, Uli, Nickie....used for both just some examples, so it is pretty the same
Depends on the region. Micha is quiete common shortened form of Michael where I'm from (ruhrpott). Michi or Michel is more common in bavaria an the south (I don't know a single Michael that would willingly accept that as a shortned form of their name to be honest). Mike or Maik is more the "younger generation" overall.
@EVeErSs Interesting information, I have *never* heard of any Germans who shortened their Michael to Micha, but then I'm neither from the Ruhrpott nor even German. As far as I can remember, I have met only three Michas of German descent in my life, and they were all Jewish, that's why I assumed it was Jewish/Russian, not German. I was wrong, it seems. Are there any prominent Michas in your country?
@@henridelagardere264 I'm from Bavaria originally and in my area we'd either not shorten the name Michael at all or go for Michi. The only case in which Micha appeared where I'm from was the shortened form of Michaela, so Micha kinda has an female connotation to me.
But Alex is usually only a short form of either Alexander for males or Alexandra for females. I've never heard of German female called Alex whose actual name was not Alexandra. @@abb_123
As a German, I was all with you during the Berlin story, only to be reminded by Maximus Wiener and Nittany/Lion and Abcde that I'm not all too bothered by what I perceive to be reasonable restrictions. Having a system where, like the Berlin couple, it is possible get away with innovation as long as pronunciation or spelling or overall impression don't slide into the absurd is something I'm fine with, at least right now. I do recorgnize that it's a philosophical ugliness that subjective judgements of euphony/acceptability/absurdity restrict other people's possibilites, but I do appreciate that there's not a complete absence of limitations. And if a sensible couple with a sensible innovative proposal is occasionally rejected unnecessarily (with the system in place erring on the side of caution, as it were), I trust their very sensibility to enable them to deal with that.
totally. i mean... gods, who in their right mind names their child ABCDE? Thats literally just the first five characters of the alphabet. Not allowing such a name isnt restricting. Its preventing lazy people from not thinking five minutes about the name they want to give their damn offspring. i know bullying is bad and i got bullied a lot, but if there wouldve been a child named Abcde in my class, im pretty sure i wouldve been on the bullying side. There should really be a test on who is allowed to have children -.- first question: do you think naming you children after the alphabet or some country/city is a good idea? yes? get out! no children for you!
I actually love the name Nittany. The “Nittany Lion” is named after Princess Nittany, a Native American woman who lived in the area hundreds of years ago. And as for Lion, I don’t really take issue with that either. I think it’s pretty badass actually haha and really close to sounding like Lionel anyway. I’m sure there are some exceptions of parents truly giving an abusive name but I’m a fairly firm believer in not shaping policy and government regulation to address the exception with relatively minor issues like this
oh or the other one i heard of: a couple that named their child "google" because they always searched for happiness and found it with their child. Dear gods, please start throwing thunderballs agains humanity again.
@@Kellydoesherthing oh its not a minor issue, if you have to live the rest of your life with "Lucifer" (a name that some parents werent allowed to use) or "Abcde" (seriously, thats just lazy parenting), as you cant change your first name normally (except for special cases like [sry donz know the correct word in english] "wittness protection").
Kelly does her thing Nittany would be allowed then in Germany. Because that‘s an actually name. A while ago a lot of people were naming their kids „Smilla“ after a character in a book. The name is not on any official list, but if it‘s a name in a book that’s enough. There is even a child out there with an unpronounceable name of a Mayan god or whatever. It‘s just that the context of the name cannot be negative, as someone mentioned Lucifer is not allowed and neither is Judas.
Its a tendency for people from the so-called "lower class" to name their children "exotic" sounding names as a kind of coping mechanisms for what they can't have themselves. For example very common names for children born in East Germany in the 70s or 80s are Rico and Mandy. Those names sounded exciting and exotic to the people at that time. But when you hear those names spoken out loud in a very distinct Saxonian dialect nowadays all the clichees and stereotypes of backwoods privincial East Germany come to life and somehow negate the initial intention of those names. Same goes for "Schackeline", "Schantalle" and "Käwwin" spoken with a clichee Ruhrpott accent. Those are typicals "lower class" names for children born in the 90s and 00s. These days people come up with way more creative and absurd "unique" names for their children. I guess the American equivalent would be those "black names" that came up recently with people naming their kids Duquan, DaMarcus or LaTanya. BTW: I looked it up - Kelly comes from a gaelic clan name meaning "Decendants of Ceallach" wich means "warrior". So your German name would be "Hilde" or "Hilda" or something like that.
middle names are really common in germany, almost all of my friends have middle names. and me for example, my name is Lily Marie, but im called Marie. its also common in germany
The start of the regulation of names is not German, but Napoleon! After conquering a country, he introduced the French civil register system there. That system had rules about only using exiting names. After the defeat of Napoleon many countries kept the civil register, with those rules. The Netherlands only abolished these rules in 1970. Since then names can be refused if they are offensive. Of about 50 cases that came to court, only in about 10 cases the name was finally refused. It’s not always the over active German government that makes the rules!
It‘s not only with anglo-american names like Kevin, Jason, Brian but also with French names like Jaqueline or Chantal. When you watch German trash TV shows the protagonists usually have these sort of names 😄
my cousin is called jaqueline and yea she kind of is trash.. she never had a job in her life and is dumb as shit... so it totally fits the stereotype in this case
In part this is also due to English and French names being popular in East Germany before the wall came down, as an inconspicuous way of voicing dissent. Of course at the same time Russian derived names were popular there, such as Mirko or Mischa (Russian short form of Michael).
fudgi oh yes! I know so many Kevins I don’t even wanna start to count and I swear to you not a single one of them is someone I’d ever take seriously. Or even ask for the way. Or talk to at all. But on the other hand, my name is Lisa and that’s one of those names that’s linked to good manners, responsibility and all that but I’m the most fucked up person and pretty much messed up my entire life so far - and I’m 28. But still, while the „positive“ names aren’t really too accurate with their descriptions of the person, I can confirm that Kevinism really is a thing. Oh and the Justins, don’t let me start with the Justins I know 😂
There's a girl in my husband's math class named Jaqueline Michelle and she insists on being called her full name. Recently I had to learn infant CPR and we're supposed to shout the name of the baby, so I used Jaqueline Michelle, which makes the whole CPR process take longer *lol* I also enjoyed shouting old-fashioned names at the baby, "Manfred!" "Guenter!" "Wilhelm!" I love those old German names.
As to Kevinism: Do you really think that a child in the US named with names from a minority group would not face prejudice and worse? As to the "name dictating": As you incorrectly implied, there is NO positive list of approved names. You can name your child whatever you want, as long as it does not ridicule the child (who is an own person, not the toy of its parents). So calling it "Führer" or something like a cartoon character or a washing detergent, might be objected by the registrar (not the government), also depending whether you live in small town Germany or in a bigger city. Registrars in Berlin might be more lenient with such names than registrars in Buxtehude...and if you are not happy with that, you can always appeal the decision of the registrar. As simple as that. As far as I know, the name needs to reflect the gender of the child, at least a second name would have to do so. The common bi-gender names I know off the top of my head are Heike, Meike and Eike...you are usually asked to attach a second name to clarify the gender. However, in real life I have only met female Heikes and Meikes and only male Eikes...
I don't believe there is any man named Heike or Meike, and probably no woman named Eike Edit: apparently there are a few women named Eike, I still don't believe there is any man called Heike or Meike
You also can't give male names to girls or female names to boys. And they only base their desiscions on what is usual in Germany. I know of a case where parents with Italian Origin where not allowed to name their boy Andrea, because it is a female name in Germany, although it is a male name in Italy. Also there was a case where the parents from an ordinary family where not allowed to give their child something like 6 first names but for families of the former nobility it is not unusual to have something like 10 first names (e.g. Karl Theodor von und zu Guttenberg really has 10 first names), so there is also a lot of arbitrariness in these decisions. And I am only talking about decisions that where upheld by courts.
"funny" named kids get bullied way more often i think. Most horrible ideas are Names that '"fit" with the surname... like Axel Schweiß or Rosa Schlüpfer... or worst of all: Hagen Kreuz. All this are normal Names, wich give a bad sence when combined. U can imagine what would happen to kids with this names...
Agreed and I live in the US. My own anecdotal observations of this is as such: in the late '70s and '80s, many families in the US started giving (what sounds like to me) surnames/last names as Christian/first names to their girls. I've met plenty of girls of that age range with names like: Hunter, Morgan, Taylor, Avery, Riley, Hudson et al. ad naseum. I bet there is a PhD in sociology waiting for anyone who researches the "why" behind this trend. Best regards from Kevin the Troublemaker ;-)
Surnames were probably originally given as first names (or more usually middle names) to stop a family name dying out, for instance when an only daughter got married and took on her husbands surname, she might give one of her children her maiden name. Mackenzie is a Scottish gaelic surname meaning 'son of Kenneth' (mac Coinnich). But in the US it's often used as a female first name.
@@kevinjones5179 another fun fact in Germany about the name Kevin: beneath being often treated as a description for a stupid person there is also the maximum version of it: the Alpha-Kevin, which can be described as the dumbest of them all... 😂
My father is actually called „Robert Michael“ and he goes with his middle name and is also named after his father. And I don‘t think it’s that uncommon in Germany. 🤔 By the way I do also have an middle name and my siblings too. You just introduce yourself to others with your first name maybe that’s why you think Germans don’t have middle names.
There are still lots of Germans who don't have middle names, in the region I'm from people who don't have a middle name are probably the majority, but yes, while middle names are definitely a thing in Germany, they aren't as big of a thing as they are in America.
the middle name thing isnt true i know a lot of people with middle names, we often just dont use them on anything apart from passports and even there we have the option to leave them away. A lot of people only have their middle names on their birth certificate
Copied from my other comment: As a German i have a set of friends who call me by my first name, mostly family and older friends. Then there are also a lot of people who call me by my second name, mostly because i started to introduce myself with it because my first name is shared with a famous trash tv millionaire. And if you are german.... you already have a word in your head with a distinct emphasis. And that was so fucking annoying. Everytime my name was mentioned someone bursted it out. So i do use my second name ;) BTW there is no actual order of first and following names. You can order them as you like on your IDs when you go your admistrative office.
There are some unisex names in germany, but you have to have a second name that clearly identifies your gender. An example would be Kim. It came to germany from english speaking countries as a shortened version of Kimberly (f) and from east europe as a version of Joakim (m).
Am i the only confused about what the point actually is with the names? Like... it's soooo looooong 🙈🙈 sorry but i just hear you saying random facts but without any real conclusion... it just goes on and on. I don't quite know how to express it. I usually never say something that rude, but i am at half of the video and i feel like there has been no process. 🙈 but maybe that's just me. Still, i don't mean to insult you, just maybe next time, try to get to the point a bit faster... for some reason it was hard to understand what you wanted to say at times. I am actually listening to you while writing this, so i just got to the point where you talk about german stigmas on certain names (like with kevin). At least now, i understand what you are talking about! But i gotta say, these stigmas usually only apply to germans who have those names (like kevin, samatha, celine, chanthal, etc...) Now i listened to you further, you are claiming that the german gorvernment dictates what your child should be called.. WHAT??? That is NOT true, he just wants to make sure that you don't name it something ridiculous like "spaghetti". (Or even worse, "mom's spaghetti") 🙈
To your last sentence I have to say that there are restrictions. As example it's not allowed to name your kid Jasha because it's a nickname for Joshua :(
Names have a very high degree of identification in Germany. That's why you have to sign all official paper work with full first and last name and an abbreviated name would not be acceptable. Kai is my favorite gender neutral name.
maybe nowadays we need to be more specific. A baby has to have a name which is specific to their sex (biological setup). Weird, however, is you could be a male baby and still be named with 2 female and only one male "first" names. If you change your name later in life other rules may apply, I'm not sure.
+Escylon Not true! There is no law in Germany preventing you from naming your child with an unisex name and there is no need to make the gender specific with a second name. In 2008, a ruling in the Federal Constitutional Court clarified this. What you are referring to is an administrative provision without legislative character (Verwaltungsvorschrift ohne Gesetzescharakter).
You can give a lastname as a surename. You can call your boy for example Günter or Günther and thats a lastname. So someone could be called Günther Günther.
True. But if you choose to name your child this way you have to mandatory choose a second name (either as a first or middle name) to go by it. May name is Franz Gerrit for example. Gerrit being unisex (but rarely used on females). Btw. I use my middle name as my first name AND I'm actually the 6th in line with having "Franz" as a name but the middle name changes every time.
- Kelly, you might want to take a look at the rather straight explanation Rewboss made about the child name issue: ua-cam.com/video/A7X7tWmcXCo/v-deo.html It's not the 'government making anything' but a way it has always been handled. It isn't about 'seeking permission' or ' approval', but a process of mediation helping parents with less thought thru ideas. - Also it's traditional for Germans do have several names often 4, 5 or more, not just two like in the US. While it became less common nowadays to have more than 3, it's still a thing. Since there are usually a lot of them, no 'tradition' of middle name ever came up. - Like everywhere people pick one of their names when growing up as their primary name and it doesn't have to be the first. It's called 'Rufname' (Called by) and used in all transactions as given name. There is even a convention how to handle this in legal situations where all given names have to be spelled out: The one used in every day situations has to be underlined. - Now, for abbreviation of given names, I'm prety sure you heared about Fritz as a German, didn't you - well, its the diminutive form of Friedrich. Not much similarity isn't it? Or Sepp as short for Josef and so on. - While numbering name bearers is a typical US thing, giving the first born son the name of his father (as first given name) or the mothers name to the first bord daughter is still a thing. I'm for example the third in this line in my family - and my son being the fourth. No need to add bells and whistles. - For Kevin, it's just one of these foreign names that make some inroad at a certain time and soon fall out of fashion. Now consider that people of higher education (and usually income) are more into selecting more traditional names (or lower education parents are more likely to select fashionable names, like from some TV show - make your pick). - Last but not least, while there are few gender neutral names, it isn't uncommon to use other gender name as an additional (not first) given name. Just think Rainer Maria Rielke. Usually these are names of saints meant to bless the child.
Most of those are because they are shortend versions of the orignal names like Alexander/Alexandra or one version is german and the other is used diffrently in other countries like Andrea (german w italian m) but yeah those can be used unisex in rare cases.
Rewboss made a very precise video on German naming rules (which is not a legal instance but just administrative order). Also, many Germans have middle names, I myself am a Jochen Ulrich, my one godson carries his father's first name as his second name, my other godson is named after his grandfather and great-grandfather as his second and third name. Oftentimes, the godparents' first names become a child's second name (it was planned to do that to one of my godsons, but I objected willfully). There is the thing that socio-economic status or educational level of the parents is often - more or less consciously - expressed in how they name their children. Also, some names are more prevalent in certain regions: Kilian, for example, is a regional saint in Würzburg, and thus, the name is pretty common in Lower Franconia but hardly ever found elsewhere.
Germans are allowed to choose names that don't indicate a gender but only if there is a second name that clarifies it. For example my name is Janis, which is a female name in the US but a male name in Germany. And my parents had to choose a second clearly female name like Rebecca, which is my second name. Also I think that second names are not so uncommon in Germany. Many people here just hate them and never share it with anyone. Probably because a lot of times the second name is the first name of the grandfather or grandmother and no teen wants to be called Gertrud or Oskar.
Sorry, but before you start accusing Germany of "dictating' anything, how about doing your research and think about it for a second? The names that are forbidden include things along the lines of Aryan Nation, Total moron, Satan, not Kevin. It's not about which names are in trend, but preventing a kid from a life of suffering. Unlike Kelly or Kevin, these names will prevent you from leading a decent life. You won't be taken seriously anywhere, and you WILL be bullied well into adulthood. Children can be bullies regardless of the name you wear, but if you have an openly racist name, for example, there is an actual reason to exlude you. How can you not grasp this concept? The US is the minority when it comes to naming rights.
Very interesting video, athough it isn't quite correct that the german governemnt dictates what you can name your child. But they are able to reject certain names. If parents would name their child Hitler, the name would get rejected. This is decided on a case by case basis. Although it may seem like they dictate names because throughout the decades it became known which names will be rejected, so there is a list which names will be rejected.
Germans often have a family member acting as the godfather/-mother, and their middle name is then the one of that person, but Germans usually don't bear that name officially / in everyday life.
Kevin in Germany is the same as Jessica or Brian in Poland and people here think mothers that name their children that way are just trying to be "cool". In fact the children themselves aren't considered stupid or anything, but their parents are.
There are actually several German names which can be used for both genders such as Luca, Mika or Sascha. But mostly they have to be combined with a middle name which definitely expresses the gender
And then you have people like "Markus Maria"..... Well, Bavarians, and Roman-Catholic Ruhr inhabitants, use "Maria" often as a second name, even for boys, despite it being obviously a female name.
The requirement for a gender-specific name was actually ruled as unlawful about 10 years ago. Here is the decision by the Bundesverfassungsgericht: www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Entscheidungen/DE/2008/12/rk20081205_1bvr057607.html
I like your videos. You are one of the few people who are so not pretentious. No chi chi, cheap thrills or clickbaiting. I really appreciate the informative idea of your videos and the unpretentious way you convey the information. Very matter of fact. Actually … very german :-)
Fun fact: when I started learning English in 5th grade in Germany, our teacher had us decide for an English name on our own. Guess which name I chose 😁 KELLY. It was my favorite name!!! I was inspired by "Beverly Hills 90210" 😂
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Most of the "translateable" names are from the bible, so originally Hebrew, butchered in several ways to fit western languages. Matthew, Marc, Mary, Joshua, John, Joseph, Benjamin ... Biblical names have been the most popular ones since the spread of Christianity, and that remains true today. And since all western nations share this tradition, many of their first names are derived from the same biblical figures. Israel and the muslim countries also share in this phenomenon, since they derive many of their names from the same heritage. Abraham/Ibrahim ... Another set of "translateable" names are from common Germanic heritage of German and English - and of course Dutch, Danish etc, but obviously not shared by the Latin-derived languages, or only in a form derived from German or English. Richard & Frederick are good examples of this group. And a third group are names from the English-speaking world mimicked in European countries because ... television. :) That is also the reason why they have this stigma, the association being that the parents named their child because of their fascination with some media fad. Totally nonsensical of course.
Two small additions. One, the popular Christian names are not only from the bible, but sometimes also the names of (later) saints who might not be Hebrew in origin. One example is St Nicholas, which is a Greek name. And two, not only the western nations share those names, but also the countries with Orthodox churches, like Greece, Russia, Serbia, Bulgaria and others.
Most European names come from the inheritance of Western Civilization - either Hebrew, Greek, or Latin. Then add language-specific names like "Béla" in Hungary, "Lech" in Poland, or "Björn/Bjørn" in the Nordic countries. Some names start out in one place and spread abroad. "Edward" is an example of this; it started in England and is of Anglo-Saxon origin. Soon enough, you have Spanish/Portuguese "Eduardo," French "Édouard," Italian "Edoardo," and Eduard in various languages. Because various Celtic languages managed to survive in the British Isles, and because these languages influenced English, there are a multitude of Celtic names in the English tradition. Examples include Angus, Llewellyn, Moira, Donald, Finn, Ross, Eithne, etc.
@Knuckles in your face "Berlin-Brandenburg" Das ist kein Stadtteil... Berlin-Brandenburg ist die komplette Region bzw. die beiden Bundesländer zusammengefasst
Naja. Klar, wenn ich den Jungen Bronko nenne, wird er in der Schule verarscht. Aber nenne ich ihn Pansenbronko, kann er einpacken. Da ist es mir lieber, wenn das Standesamt eingreift.
If there’s evidence proving that people named Kevin are disadvantaged in Germany, why isn’t the name Kevin banned?
As far as I know, a child's name is not allowed to have a negative connection. That's why a child in germany is not allowed to be called Judas. In spite of the recent trend of believing that a boy named Kevin is not quite right up there. So, unless a Kevin does something really heinous, like that Adolf-Guy in the thirties, it'll probably be allowed.
Though for some reason, I heard the name Oscar is not allowed, while Oskar is perfectly fine. And it's not really a thing that english or foreign names are forbidden. Cindy/Sindy is an allowed name in Germany, for example. I'm also not sure why Oscar is forbidden, unless they think of the Sesamstraße-character "Oscar aus der Tonne", that green monster that lives in a garbage bin. Or ist it called dumpster? But that seems farfetched.
Well even us Germans who like to regulate everything won't stop you to give your child a perfectly valid name even if it disadvantages you. We will stop you from giving your kid a made up name that disadvantages you thou.
Because we didn't have a really bad Kevin 😂 you're able to name your child whatever you want except some specific names. But of course, you can go to an lawyer if you want to name your child something weird. And some people have got "luck"... Kevin is just a name here but yes, many people think negative about it. It's because in East Germany during DDR the people named their children Kevin, Cindy, chantalle and so on. Don't know why, but they did. And it's still a thing that people think that the east Germans are dumb as fuck. So when you name your kid Kevin you are showing everyone that you don't care about education. Teachers think really like that. We already know that Kevin is getting worse school notes than Maximilian. Just because of the name. We also have to give a child a second name in some cases. When you want to call you child Kai, you have to take a second name because Kai is a male and a female name. But everyone has to know if this is a boy or a girl. So it can be Kai Michael or Kai Melanie. But in the Ende, no one really cares for the name of your child. Except the people around you who have to live with that.
Janne for example is a name used for both genders, my neighbors son is called Janne, aswell as a female classmate
Until about 25 or so years ago, a child was forbidden to have only a foreign name. So, if you wanted your child to have a foreign name like, say, Carlos, you had to give a second name to them that is inherently "german".
Funny enough, names like Judas are forbidden - a name like Adolf is not.
Many Germans do have a middle name, but they don't use them, so not even good friends know them.
technically it's not a middle name, just multiple first names.
Yea sad day ehen u only can have two names. Know a guy with five cause the parents couldn't decide and a girl with three. Two of which are an Austrian monarch.
Plus it is fairly common to use an ancestors name as a second name.
Em RicH Like so many people don't even tell you if you ask them. Okay I would too if it was Wolfgang xD
My (extended) Familie pretended not to know my middle name.
The German govt. does not dictate what you name your kid. They don't come to you and tell you your kid's name is 'Ralf'... or else! Instead, they VETO what you can NOT name your kid. And yes: that _IS_ quite a difference.
Altough they should be able to tell you not to name your kid Ralf. That's rude ;D
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Year.
Because Ralf is the shortcut for “Resistance Alien Life Form”.
I know that because my brother is named so.
He learnt with 5 how to move on a trafficked street (because I pushed him) and was not hurt.
This is the most German comment ever.
Indeed, some things schould be researched more carefully and thouroughly. Because false Information can be fatal. Of course only for people who believe everything directly without questioning the statements and doing additional research themselves.
In the GDR it was regulated
Germany isn't even the only country that does this. France, Portugal... and also non-European countries do it. This US sentiment that "We should be allowed to do with our kid what WE want" is the exception, not the rule.
Note also, the US hasn't even ratified the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. Signed, but not ratified. That tells you a lot about the US approach to children, which is abysmal. Not surprisingly, in many US states, it's perfectly legal to beat your child senseless.
It has NOTHING to do with "freedom of speech" or "freedom of expression". A name is not speech, it's an identity you are giving a child. And it is not your freedom of expression, it should be the child's, and the child has a right to a dignified name. Naming your kid joke names is ridiculous and pretty unfair. Would you want to live with that name yourself? If not, why should your child?
You also didn't bring up the very reasonable rejections given to some names in Germany. Like Pumuckl. Or Pepsi-Cola. Or "Friede mit Gott durch Jesus Christus" (nevermind that Friedegott is a real name they could have used, but no, gotta be speshul~).
The government has an obligation to protect children from obvious harm, and parents don't have a superior right to be idiotic with their kids' names. Those are children, not pets. Even though the US laws consider them the same thing: Property and things without rights.
But then, the US government also still hasn't outlawed the KKK, so clearly rights are still given out on a case-by-case basis. Apparently, someone always has to be property for the sake of someone else's ego.
Couldn't have said it better :)
amen
Darn good comment ;)
Thank you.
Gottfried ist aber ein Name in Deutschland.
Wait! You name your kids after states? Nice, I like to introduce myself: Florian Nordrhein-Westphalen Mustermann.
You have to meet my good friend Michael Mecklemburg-Vorpommern Müller!
@alex S Du bist sicher eine Freude auf Parties xD
@alex S Ein Paradoxon an sich.
Lol
Johannes Schleswig-Holstein Steiner
😂👍
Susanne Niedersachsen Schreiner.
Listening to your examples of American names makes me even happier that we have a system in place to protect children from crazy parents.
C'mon, you must admit that PUMUCKL is a really cute name. PUUUUUUUUUUMIIIIIIII LOL
@@asnierkishcowboy It may be "cute" until your child is three years old, but... people grow up eventually.
I never understood that controversy. Name your child Nepomuk, where "Pumuckl" is obviously derived from, and all is good, and it is just as "originell".
If the kid decides he doesn't want to be called like character from a children's book, he still has the opportunity to use his full name or go by "Nepo" or something similar. Besides, it's actually a German name based on a town's name.
The CEO of the DAX company “Pumuckl Maier” recently said...... Ppphhaaaaahhhhaahahahahaaha. Will never happen in Germany, thank god.
Maximus Wiener is exactly why some names should be forbidden.
Biggus Dickus / Schwanzus Longus
I mean, honestly the issue is more with the last name than the first. With any regular last name, calling the kid Maximus would be fine.
@@JediMB I am very certain German authorities wouldn't even get the joke and allow it. Maximus is definitely okay as a first name and Wiener is not so much associated with dicks in Germany.
I know a Harry Wiener. No joke.
@@FriedrichHerschel Naughtious Maximus
Hi Kelly, I disagree with your conclusion, that German gov dictates how to name your kid. It just says how you cannot name your child. That's a huge difference. The law protects the child not just from bullying in school, but also his or her possible career as an adult. Some names may sound cute for a baby, but put a CEO before the name and think about if you would respect a person with that name as your boss. Some parents are just too st...shortsighted to think that far ahead, so this law is a good one.
Oh yes. I had a colleague who was some kind of team leader / project manager in a big project and his name was Nickie. Wherever it was possible he forced the people to call him Nick (also his email address and signature was written like that) because he hated Nickie. I understand that, it sounded a way to cute for a man like him.
P.S. This was in Germany. I think for an American it maybe doesn't sound like that.
Bullying happens even with normal names. Kids are assholes and will find a way to bully you on your name. My brother's name was Brian so the kids called him cryin Brian. My name was Pessica.
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There is a possibility, that first and last name where too similar to words or phases in the real world. For example a child from the family Grube shouldn't be called Claire. Because Claire Grube is homophon to Klärgrube (cesspool).
exactly its not to protect kids from bullying but to protect the adults who would have to live with a horrible name like abcde
@@HalfEye79 you saying that Jessica and Brian are to real world words. Pessica isn't a word. It was just kids being assholes.
middle names aren't common in Germany? I am from Germany and more than half of my friends have middle names
Stimme zu..vor allem jungs sagen nicht gerne ihren zweiten Namen, weil es denen peinlich ist
Non of my friends 👌
Ich habe sogar drei Vornamen
Das mit den 2 oder 3 Vornamen stammt noch aus vorherigen Jahrunderten. Damit die Familienlinie erkennbar blieb, hat der Nachwuchs je nach Sohn oder Tochter einen Rufnamen bekommen und als Zusatz den Namen des Vaters/der Mutter oder Großvaters/Großmutters oder beides. So hat sich die Tradition einer Familie bewahrt, da damals ja noch nicht alles schriftlich festgehalten wurde, wie es heute der Fall ist.
Ich dachte, dass der zweite Vorname im deutschen der Taufname ist.
In Germany, Kevin is not a name, it´s a diagnosis.
My ex-brother-in-law was named Kevin, he fits this description completely.
Hehe made my day! :D
So true 👍👍👍😉
**laughing**
So true
A lot of Germans have middle names, we just pretend that we don't whenever possible 😄
My (extended) family is good at that!
Because the middle name often is related to any family members and often sounds super old or weird 😂
Sometimes I feel like I am the only german telling people about my middle name. But I am one of the only ones that has a cool middle name in my opinion :D
No one beats my 2 middle names XD Michael Josef Ferdinand XD My first name comes from my dad and the other comes from my grandfathers... I only wish I had somting my own XD at least I have somting that reminds me...
Hello my Name is Anna Josefa Madleene
Hallo ich heiße Richard. Aber meine Freunde nennen mich Pimmel.
😂
@@lu8154 Richard wird im Englischen mit "Dick" abgekürzt.
@@lu8154 alter 🤦🏽♂️ hast du das Video geschaut?
@@skytrymotion ja habe ich, aber trotzdem ist „dick“ in dem Zusammenhang ein Name also ist der jk einfach komplett lost
@@lu8154 dein Humor ist lost
I think I MOSTLY agree with your conclusion, I don't think a name like "Berlin" is incredibly damaging for a child in life. However, I am VERY glad that Germany forbids idiots from naming their children ridiculous things like "ABCDE" (Yes, in the case you described, the name actually was in all caps on her ID) or "Abortion" (also a name that a couple of actual people in the US are named). Apart from being bullied, don't you think a child might get some MINOR issues growing up with a name that basically indicates that their parents didn't actually want them?
I seen about the little boy named adolf Hitler his parents were "neo-nazis" and the state actually came in and took the boy away for the parents and forced them to change his name. Though adolf is a good strong name it was made very dark and there for should be rejected as a name in my opinion. People do need to think about their kids before naming them.
The most retarded name i have ever seen is "Le-a". Spelled "Ledasha". Because the dash is not supposed to be silent. I almost pucked. I am not sure if stuff like this would work here.
@@l.a.3680 Ich hoffe nicht, aber bei der Emojji-Generation bin ich mir auch nicht mehr sicher :D
This can be avoided by overall forbidding names that have negative meaning/translation. Everything else should be alright. For example, before "Adolf" Hitler there could have been thousands of good men named "Adolf". It's not the name that made the monster, but a monster who dishonored the name.
"Abortion" on the other hand has a clear negative meaning. "Sodom" would be dangerous, not sure about "Gamora" though. In the Bible it's spelled "Gomorrah", the character from Guardians of the Galaxy is called "Gamora". Pronouciation is quite close and will cause some unwanted attention from religious folks. But then again, "Adolf" would probably raise more eyebrows even if it was "Gomorrah" instead of "Gamora".
Well, we got names like Matt-Eagle and Solarfried
There are actually names for all genders in Germany like Kim or Sascha. But the second name must bei related to the gender. Well, this was the rule some years ago.
Not sure about Kim, but Sascha in Germany is overwhelmingly used for boys. It's the Russian diminutive of Alexander.
Oh and we shouldn't forget about the name Timmy or maybe Timmi, I don't remember how my old friends were written.
@@cooky2991 Timmy is definitely male, come on :D
or ALexandra :P @@Siegbert85
besides the middle name Maria for men ;) thats ok
Kevin, Justin, Chantal, David(pronounced in English) - The four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
No no, it has to be "Schacklien" (Jaqueline) instead of David xD Or "Scherohm" (Jerôme)
Tscherremie-Pascal!!
I Report you Gor Harrasment Its has no respect bullying in cyber and wven to a hacker
@@devtaxyngd3893 I report you for having no sense of humor, or being not funny and hiding it with sarcasm.
why dont you say that First dude well i still dont like Harrasment!
I've always thought Ted is short for Theodore, which makes a lot more sense then Edward in my opinion ...?
Both. My son is called Edward. We named him Little Ted as a baby. It's an English thing mainly.
Theodore Roosevelt hieß doch Teddy oder ? :D
@@immermitderruhe ja.
Ich habe durch harry potter gelernt, dass Ted eine Abkürzung für Edward ist😂
Hat mit der englischen Sprache zu tun. Ich weiß grade nicht genau wann, aber früher haben die Leute ihre Abkürzungen im englischen über Reime gemacht.
Edward = Ed, reimt sich mit Ted
Richard = Rick, reimt sich mit Dick
William = Will, reimt sich mit Bill
Usw.
Das geht auch bei Slangwörtern im englischen so.
Inzwischen ist das einfach so normalisiert, dass der normale englische muttersprachler niht mehr weiß wieso das eigentlich so ist. Passiert im deutschen ja auch XD
Actually there are names for both genders in Germany, for example Rene, Luca, Kim, Sasha, Jule, Mika, Robin, and Conny, to name some.
Maxi
Pascal (m) & Pasquale (f) but they are pronounced the same
Eike
Alex
I also know people (Male+female) named Deniz or Esra (sure, not really German but absolutely fine with the law.
Plus it is no problem giving your Child a name that is used for girls and boys, you just have to choose a second name that indicates the childs gender.
Actually, Abcde or North West, and a plethora of other weird names from the US seem to underline how important naming regulation is, as it is obvious that parents can't be trusted with making responsible decisions on that subject.
and before someone jumps on me for saying this - despite all the regulations we have in Germany, I do have one of those names that cause jokes and comments, so I know what I'm talking about.
Heirate und nimm den Namen deines Partners an.
@@solidstate9451 Ja, am besten eine Frau Mann. Dann mit Doppelnamen: Peter Mann-Petermann
@@lhaurenherm3358 nice 1
Ich hab im Fernsehen tatsächlich gestern jemanden gesehen, der nicht Peter Petermann heißt, sondern Peter Peter, also bist du noch gut dran.
ich kenn einen Franz Franz - einige Hohlköpfe mit einem Vornamen als Nachname sind blöd genug, ihrem Kind den gleichen Namen als Vornamen zu geben. Der mildeste Witz dabei ist noch, ihn dann zu fragen, was nun der Vor- und was der Nachname ist. andererseits kannte ich auch mal einen Franz Josef Kaiser - Kaiser Franz Josef ist fast schon wieder cool...
Here is a couple names that luckily got rejected:
Pfefferminza, Mandy (für einen Jungen), Junge, Störenfried, Theiler (statt Tylor), Blitz, Schröder,Whisky, Waldmeister, Joghurt, Crazy Horse, Borussia, Desperado, Popo, Kirsche, Köln, Porsche, Gucci, Seniorina, Satan.
Thank God there is rules.
Omg... Satan hahahahaha oh je.... wie kommt man nur auf solche doofen Ideen???
Zum Glueck heißen die Kids nicht so....
Porsche is a fairly common American name. And we are used to uncommon names. But maybe not Satan or Adolph or Lucifer. Part of it in the USA is that we have people from the whole world, so we are used to every imaginable name. And we just shrug and ask how to spell the weird ones. No one really pays attention.
I strangely think Kirsche is a nice name. Maybe for a cat?
@@BannanaAnna12 in my country Croatia some women are named Kirsche which is Višnja in croatian...or Strawberry which is Jagoda ....But I have to say those names sound pretty good in Croatian but not really in German or English xD
Unfortunately, there are a few that should have been rejected but weren't. The one that I remember from the top of my head is Pumuckl. To put that into perspective for someone not familiar with the kobold from German children books and TV shows, it's akin to calling your child Meowth (from Pokémon).
I heard about German parents who wanted to call their daughter "Pillula" because she was born despite the birth control pill. It's a good thing that this was forbidden. We would have "Condomus" or "Intrrupta" too. Some parents want to be funny, and the child will be pissed.
It's also worth mentioning that in Germany the procedure of changing names is not intended by local authorities and reserved for severe cases. So parents opting for a funny name often come to regret their decision when their own child starts hating them for it.
@@Exodon2020 Maybe Germans are right to consider the potential for future angst.
Good thing too, because in Finnish "pillula" would mean "the place of pussy"
Nelke would also be bad choice. She would be very pissed off. ;)
@@wernerhiemer406 Thanks, Werner. I learned a new word. And two new meanings.
Don't you just love German efficiency? ;)
You should have explained that the popular movie Home alone was called Kevin allein zuhaus in Germany which started the popularity of the name in the lower classes and finally led to this stigma. 20 years ago the name Kevin had no negative connotation to it.
That can not be the reason because Kevin from the film was a very clever boy.
@@UlliStein Without a doubt Kevin is portrayed as a very clever boy. But which parents name their child after a trendy Hollywood movie? Academics, who are already planning which school their son should attend? Or rather the lower classes, who may wish that their child is clever like Kevin, but do not foresee its adulthood?
@@UlliStein It’s said that poor families watch way more TV and they choose names which they heared in TV series. That’s why all think that English-named people are bad at school.
The initial popularity of the name Kevin in Germany was not due to the film "Home Alone", but to the soccer player Kevin Keegan, who moved from Liverpool FC to Hamburger SV in 1977 and helped the club win the German Soccer Championship in 1979.
@jenny won kenobe
Says someone who uses the German aristocratic title 'von' in her nickname.
There is no "government office" in Germany telling you how you can or can't name your child. It's simply the people registering newly-born children on the local level (for the municipalities in the Standesamt, the office responsible for births, weddings and deaths) who work with a certain set of rules.
Die Lehrerin fragt die ABC-Schüler am ersten Schultag nach ihren Namen. „Ich heiße Hannes“, sagt der Erste. „Das heißt nicht Hannes, sondern Johannes“, berichtigt ihn die Lehrerin. „Ich heiße Achim“, sagt der Zweite. „Das heißt nicht Achim, sondern Joachim“, berichtigt ihn die Lehrerin. „Und wie heißt du?“, fragt sie den Nächsten. „Jokurt, Frau Lehrerin.“
Do you think non-native German speakers will get the punchline?
Kelly, always
@@martinmay91 Lehrerin fragt das 4. Kind: "Ich heiße Abcde."
Ist ja irgendwie nett, dass sich ein Witz Wort für Wort über 50 Jahre halten kann...
@@imrehundertwasser7094 Hahaha, I get it. My father never spoke German to me while I was growing up, so I would not call myself a native speaker. I am Dutch by the way, so that might make the joke easier to understand. My father's name is Horst, people just don't get it around here ;)
So, I wouldn't say that Kelly is a negativ name here in Germany. At least i never heared of anything negativ around it.
There is a popular German UA-camr with the Name Kelly MissesVlog. I dont know any other Girl with the Name Kelly.
That -great- big family who once lived on a boat and sung together may had influence in some way. "The Kelly's" to have writen it down.
Kelly Clarkson?
@@gabe6550 No, "The Kelly Family" ;-)
@Teamgeist wait What? There are 3 of them? Oh Gosh i Really thought one is enough 😲
Hier in Deutschland ist der Name Kelly super selten, ich kenne z.B. keine Kelly und negativ besetzt ist dieser Name nicht.
Freedom of speech.
"Apple", "North West", "Saint",.... Yeah. Great idea!
I once saw an american talk show where one of the guests where a woman in her 50's who's parents named her Pumpkin Pie. - It had clearly been a life of constant embarrassment, even living in the US.
I'm glad that I live in a country that at least try to protect kids from such shitty choices. What's cute for an adorable 2 month old, doesn't always work for a 32 year old on a job application.
What about Matt-Eagle?!
@@hildajensen6263 Pumpkin Pie...? Seriously? And I always thought my name was annoying. At least it is a REAL NAME for a person. Is it easy to change the name in the US?
It's common in the US where if someone doesn't like their given legal first name they just introduce themselves to people as a name that they like. Not a big deal to circumvent a name that you don't like. The person named Pumpkin Pie was probably just dumb to not use a different name. And then if the "secret" of a weird name is discovered to explain that it wasn't the person's fault, it was the fault of the parents. No one blames a person that has a weird name unless they give it to themself.
it shouldn't be protected by freedom of speech if it affects another person life permanently without their consent
I think you made it more dramatic than it is. No German government dictates you a name for your child. There are some restrictions wich derive from the idea, that each child is not the property of its parents, but a citizen. And , as in America, each child has to be given some shelter from obvious discrimination even by the parents. A problem has been a common turkish femael first name for girls, which means "It's enough", given to the third or fourth daughter, when the father wants to have a son. I think, no girl or woman can be happy with that name - for her lifetime.
Another objection would be the name "Adolf" for a boy, for obvious reasons. And if you claim, that is a common name in your family, than you would be free to use it. It's just a try to avoid the worst names, parents can think of, just as an expression of responsibility. With giving the child a name, parents should think of the well-being of the child, not just their own entertainment.
There are some names which are the same for boys and girls, for example "Kim", but in that case you have to choose a second name which makes the gender obvious.
Wie lautet dieser türkische Name? o_O
@@ditto303 Weiß ich nicht mehr, habe ich mal in einem Artikel im "Spiegel" gelesen.
Yeet!
de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeter
Wurde die Regel zur eindeutigen Zuordnung der Namen durch den zweiten Namen nicht vor ein paar Jahren gekippt?
Ich meine mich da an etwas erinnern zu können.
Das mit dem türkischen Namen höre ich jetzt nach meinem ganzen Leben zum ersten Mal und ist wirklich absurd das der Spiegel so etwas als seriöses Problem darstellen würde. Für mich ist das typische Meinungsmache gegen die Türkei. Wärst du so nett es im ursprünglichen Kommentar zu entfernen? Es wirft ein schlechtes Licht auf alle türkischen Familien und spiegelt aufgarkeinen Fall die Realität wieder. Danke.
As a german restriction of what names you are allowed to give your child makes perfectly sense for me. As not the parents but the children must live with the choice every day. I was working in an office where I got hugh amount of names lists.... believe me, even with the allowed names parents can create something you don't wish for someone. Especially as the list is not so restrictive as it seems, e.g. I know even 2 guys named Gandalf.
draylax just don’t falsely believe that your country is truly free.
@@johnp139 I agree but not because of the names. But independent from that freedom shouldn't allow you to harm people. The Berlin example is here not a good one, but if you have a look on the list of names that were rejected you will also find examples like Satan or "Störenfried" what means "Troublemaker" and you can't tell me that this won't have an effect on your life.
@@johnp139 what a moronic comment, my friend
@@johnp139 are you implying that only 'Murica is, or can be, free?
@John P because a country is only free if you can force your kid to live with a stupid and ridicules name.
I'm a teacher in Belgium, and when i was studying to become a teacher one of the courses was all about unconsious prejudice of all sorts, possibly leading to skewed evaluation of students in either positive or negative ways. And names DEFINITELY can lead to unconsious bias or skewed evaluation. There is plenty of research done in Belgium, The Netherlands, the nordic countries, and many other countries (including Germany) to back this up.
There is a ton of research for example on the influence of islamic names and the evaluation and performance of these students in the Belgian school system. And there is plenty of evidence that having for example an islamic name can severly influence the way you are treated as a kid by teachers, other parents and so on. This bias goes for many oher names too. Sometimes they are treated harsher and judged more severely. Sometimes it is the other way around and they are given far more leanway than others, or there are far lower expectations of these students for no reason, which is not good in school either. There are many other effects, reasons, and results and so on, but you get the point.
There is also a ton of research that shows that people with foreign sounding names have a far harder time finding jobs or a place to rent, simply because their name sounds foreign. They are put to the back of the que very often in job interviews or by landlords or real estate agents, just because of their name. They did research in which the very same person did job sollicitations (letters) with his/her real (foreign sounding) name and then had the same person do the same interviews with the exact same CV with a Belgian sounding name. And the second time thay had often double the number of invitations for a face to face job interview than when the same person used a foreign sounding name. This has been a discusion for a while now in Belgian politics, wether the government should actively step in to in some way prevent this type of unconsious (and sometimes very consious) discrimination. So bias based just on names does most definetely exist.
And yes, i'm sorry to say the bias towards anglo-american names does exist here too. Americans and american culture are sometimes (quite often still) considered a bit stupid or simplistic, and "uncultured" here in Belgium (and Europe in general). So the anglo-american names are often asociated with being stupid and uncultured, and asociated with parents that aren't too bright or "cultured" themselves either. Even though this is becoming less and less a thing due to the ever increasing influence of American TV and movie culture, the bias still exists. And this can have an effect on kids too in school as they are associated with being stupid or having stupid and "uncultured" parents, just because they chose an anglo-american name. Just like someone being called Henry, William, Elisabeth, and so on will often be associated with more fancy, upper class layers of society. It is stupid, but it exists.
The most important thing for me as a teacher was that i was made aware of this bias and the research showing that this bias exists, and was tought how to avoid and negate this bias as much as possible. But no one can deny hat certain biases and prejudices exist and that they also fall victim to them even if they don't want to. I know i do even though i try my best not to. I'm just aware of the biasses i sometimes have was tought ways around them.
And the same goes in the US too if you think about it. How many kids do you know named Adolf or even Hitler in the US? And how would you react if you heard a friend named their kid Adolf? How would people and teachers react if they saw on paper a kid in their klas was named Adolf? It wouldn't go down very well and people would definetely form a bias about the parents, and maybe even the kid. Or they'd judge the kid because of the name the parents gave him. "He can't have been raised well if he was raised by parents that were ok with naming him Adolf?". Anyone could and probably would fall victim to this way of thinking, so being aware this bias can and will exist is even more important. Thinking this bias does not exist in the US simply because you can name your child whatever you want is pretty naive...
Not saying "Kelly does her thing" is naive and such, she probably is aware of this. Just making a point that the bias has been most definetely been proven to exist, and that being aware of it is very important for anyone, including Americans... ;)
Interesting fact: In Belgium we have a tradition of naming people with 3 first names not just 2. Your official name will consist of your proper first name first, and then the names of your godfather and godmother. So you will for example have someone oficially called Herny William Elizabeth Brown, even though he would simply be Henry Brown in every day life. It is only for government and very official purposes that you use your full 3 names. The tradition is definitely becoming less and less used, but quite a few people still do it.
Johan Wittens very well said! There was a movie released in Germany (last year?) and the plot is exactly about this scenario: a couple tells the soon to be grandparents they will name their son Adolf - because they like the name.
In Switzerland we have similar assumptions about certain names.
I'm German and my second name is also the name of my godmother. It's the same for both of my parents too. (But we only give the name of the godparent with the same gender)
Yes prejudice is the reason why foreign names are not perceived well. In fact prejudice goes both ways: Wealthy and high status Germans would likely name their children by a traditional sounding name, for example with Greek, old Germanic or Roman roots: Hermann, Maximilian, Christina, Alexander. Those names are perceived with some sense of tradition, class, maybe even wealth. Especially if you combine such names with hyphens: Theodor-Maximilian. Dead giveaway that this child is the offspring of nobility. A stereotype anyway.
Lower income people might be more likely to give their children exotic or fad names, possibly even name them after (American) celebrities. So if your name is Kelly, Paris, Ashley, Jason or Jarrett, people might think your parents were just not classy at all or in other words trashy. Or you were not born and named in Germany. In that case these names are fine. :)
I dont really have Something to ad to the conversation... I just fellt the need to bringt this comment further up by responsing to it...
You defenitly expressed what I thought all the time :)
It's so nice to read something so well said and interesting in the comments for a change. Thank's for sharing. I learnt something and I agree 100%
Well this law is mostly about not giving your kid a name as Hitler
He gave this name himself
Das AlbinoToast No he didn’t. The mother of Hitler‘s father Alois wasn’t married when she had him so he had his mother’s maiden name as a last name: Schicklgruber. The mother later married a man called Johann Georg Hiedler. When Alois Schicklgruber was a grown man he changed his name to Alois Hitler because of an inheritance thing. Adolf Hitler just had his fathers last name, he didn’t choose anything.
The fundamental idea behind the law is still that the given name should not be harmful to the child. And btw. Hitler is not the given name of asshole no 1 it is Adolf and as there is a Christian tradition behind Adolf I'm pretty sure that if parents would insist on Adolf and argue with examples like Adolf Kolping, they could win the case.
Lil Pump's voller Name ist *Lilliam Pumpernickel*
Lol
ᛞᛖᚾᚾᛁᛋ ᛏᚱᛟᚹᚨᛏᛟ Dennis Trowato lol
Wtf wer ist das
Omg wie hasst die runen geschrieben?😨 ich will auch😂
@@TheMonteno1973 Es ist der Name des Typen, der den Kommi ursprünglich geschrieben hat - nur in Runen Schrift ;)
Actually, middle names are quite common in Germany, just not widely known. About half (or more) of the people in my class had a middle name (in catholic families this is traditionally the name of their godfather, but also grandparents' names are common), but most of the people don't use them outside of official forms.
Furthermore, in 2008 the rule of a name corresponding to a gender was abolished (and prior to that there were "established" both gender names like Luca, Toni, Sascha, Nicola, Robin or Andrea), and it has always been possible to use a neutral name when there is a second name indicating the gender.
Speaking of second names: It is actually legal and common to give boys a second name "Maria" (examples include comedians Christoph Maria Herbst and Markus Maria Profitlich, "Shopping queen" moderator Guido Maria Kretschmer, cologne archbishop Rainer Maria Woelki and of course the poet Rainer Maria Rilke)
And on a last note, my first name is probably "translatable" into every European language, however my French teacher in elementary school didn't find it on her list, so we decided to use a different name.
I really do ot know how old you are, but to have the middle name of you´re grandpa would mostly be adolph/adolf/or variations from that and after 1945 that name fell to somewhat of a disregard...;)
Most people born in the 30s and 40s are not named Adolf...
@@christianbecker7212 I don't know where you get your facts from, but "Adolph" was not even in the top 30 in the years 1930-1945 (except for 1940, when it was at rank 30)
(source: www.beliebte-vornamen.de/jahrgang )
So no, this is not true.
or, if you want a graph: www.beliebte-vornamen.de/4501-adolf.htm
More likely, they would be named "Karl"
www.beliebte-vornamen.de/4863-karl.htm
or "Klaus"
www.beliebte-vornamen.de/5055-klaus.htm
@@christianbecker7212 No. More likely Wilhelm, Gerhard, Friedrich etc.
We shouldn't forget about "Ronny", a very popular name in former East Germany and kinda like the OG Kevinist name.
right 😅😂
naja vielleicht heißen jetzt nicht so viele so, aber man hat schon gewisse Assoziationen, wenn man den Namen hört. und ich kenne einen Ronny der irgendwie alle Klischees erfüllt. Trettmann ist da natürlich ausgenommen :D
Naming is also related to social descent. The name Kevin was very popular in "lower social" and "less educated" groups in Germany, just like Vanessa or Justin.
if you name your kid adolf, everybody knows your social descent too...^^
but if you believe it or not... i lived 5 years in lima/peru and there was a boy in the same kindergarten like my son and his firstname was hitler ... and nobody interested it there...^^
@@seelenwinter6662 lol
Seelenwinter 666 but it‘s more than obvious why nobody was interested lol you can‘t compare Peru with Germany in that ‚Hitler Name‘ case. These countries witnessed the 2WW completely different. So the view of the name is attached to different emotions
or Cederik.
But who would voluntarily go by the name of Dick 😄
kevin hart should think about it
Dick van Dyke did xD
I know a russian guy who had Dick as the last name. They slightly changed the Name after the Father knew what it meant in English.
@@Sam-jy5tf He was one of the leads in Mary Poppins and played the old banker in the old and the new MP, look him up
I would. Its super funny :D also Richard sounds pretty cool :)
there is also a femal Kevinism ... the Name Jaqueline has the same stereotypes to it as kevin
Oh yes! "Schakkeline, komm wech von die Regale!" 😂
@@coletrickIe "Schantalle" !!
Watch the section of the movie Ted with Mark Wahlberg, where he recites dozens of girls names, all of them "speshul".
Jaqueline is more a stereotype for a callgirl for 100 €uro\Hour.
@@martinw.309 Sort of like President Kennedy's wife. Makes sense to me.
There is no such thing as a "middle name" in German. People might have more than one given name. Take the German chancellor: Her name is Angela Dorothea Merkel. Or her predecessor, his name is Gerhard Fritz Kurt Schröder. Or a former Minister of Defence, who is Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Buhl-Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg. All those given names are valid, and you may chose to go by any or some or all of them, though most German will stick to their chosen version.
That pretentiously long name must have gotten to Guttenberg's head. Dumb prick couldn't even get his doctor's degree without cheating.
can you call your kid "Don't" or "Dont" ? so everytime the teacher wants to warn him he would say "Don't be quiet" "Don't sit down" "Don't answer the question" "Don't go to the principals office" "Don't stop harassing the other students"
It would simply not work in German (why the English do not could be packed together to don't, the German "Mach nicht" can't be cramped together) and if parents would choose for the English version the German teacher could easily say "Dont sei leise", "Dont setz Dich hin", "Dont wie ist die Antwort", "Dont geh zum Direktor" or "Dont hör auf die anderen Schüler zu ärgern". But anyway funny idea, thanks for sharing.
Kelly google doch mal abgelehnte Vornamen 2018. Was manche Eltern ihren Kindern antun wollen ist wirklich schlimm! Ich bin froh, dass in Deutschland/Europa nicht alle Namen erlaubt werden! So sollte z. B. ein Kind Nutella, google, Fifa und ein anderes gar Lucifer heißen...
Vor Jahren gab es einmal eine Liste darüber und zwar die Top ten der abgelehnten Namen aber ich habe mir davon nur mehr ein paar gemerkt..den Platz 1 Atomfried und Platz 3 Luzifer aber da war auch Rumpelstilzchen und Pumukl dabei..
Dabei ist Pumuckl ursprünglich eine Kurzform von Nepomuk.
ich mag den namen Lucifer. Man darf sein Kind auch Jesus nennen, also wieso nicht Lucifer
Stell dir mal du darfst dein Kind nicht "Tom" nennen, wegen Harry Potter oder "James" wegen Twilight. Also nur aufgrund von Fantasy-Büchern
@@Sapphire411 Niemand darf in Deutschland sein Kind Jesus nennen das geht nur in Spanien/Portugal bzw Südamerika..und da Religion in der allgemeinen Gesellschaft noch wert hat darf auch niemand seinem Kind den Namen des Teufels geben..schau einfach einmal nach im Namensrecht da wird das genau erklärt.
@@michaelgrabner8977 Man darf sein Kind in Deutschland auch Jesus nennen, eben weil es in Spanien/Portugal auch so ist. (Falls meine Quellen Falsch sind tuts mir leid)
Anderes Beispiel: Du darfst nem Jungen keinen Mädchen Namen, wie z.b. Jessica geben. Vollkommen Nachvollziehbar, nä? Aber wieso dann Maria?
Und nur weil andere Leute durch eine Religion (in der es um ein allmächtiges Wesen, einen in der Hölle schmorenden Erzengel und nem Typen der zum Zombie wurde geht = Fantasy-Buch) einen Namen nicht mögen, sollte nicht jeder dadurch gezwungen werden seinem Kind keinen schönen Namen wie Lucifer (was "Lichtträger" bedeutet) geben zu dürfen
Edit: Oberlandesgericht Frankfurt Pressemitteilung vom 21.12.1998:
Der 20. Zivilsenat des Oberlandesgerichts Frankfurt am Main hat in einem jetzt veröffentlichten Beschluß entschieden, daß Eltern ihrem Kind den Vornamen "Jesus" geben dürfen und Standesämter die Eintragung dieses Vornamens nicht mit dem Hinweis auf die Verletzung religiöser Gefühle ablehnen dürfen.
Naja, wir haben da ja auch so einen Politiker, sein Name ist Björn aber sein spitzname ist bernd, woher das auch immer kommen mag 🙄😂😂😂
Das ist ein weit verbreitetes Missverständnis, in Wahrheit heisst der Mann Bernd, aber manche nennen ihn bei seinem herhassten Spitznamen Björn.
@@Zeonoir Das stimmt nicht, er heißt Björn!
Wie gesagt ... hartnäckige Gerüchte ;)@@fazzkefraktal8004
Björn.... Lügenpresse ähh -fresse. Sein Name ist Berndl Bernd.
Ich kenn den nich
I think its important that parents can't name their kids whatever they want.. There are so many terrible examples, and kids have to live with it.
But I think thats important especially due to german culture and in germany and does not translate to other countries.
As you said youself, in the US people use versions of their names that aren't even close to their original form and they sign documents with that and so on.. It doesn't work like that in germany. If you sign an official document with a shortened version of your name you might get into trouble.
That together with the stigma around certain names (actually, all names in germany have certain stigma to them..) I think makes it important that there are rules for naming children, because people can't adjust their names to some other version they like more as easily.
Also, there are many names that can be used for both Genders, and many germans have a middle name/second name or even third name, just its usually not used outside official documents.
(usually germans stick to their first name whether they like it or not because germans like rules and everything being in order lol )
True. I was given my fathers first name as a middle name cause they thought i'd be tradition or something. Well ... my parents got divorced when I was 7 and I pretty much grew up without a father. And I'm stuck with that name. But only my closest friends know what it is. And I'm gonna keep it that way...
Ich unterschreibe nur Bewerbungsanschreiben mit vollem Namen, alles andere, wirklich alles, unterschreibe ich statt des Vornamens nur mit dem Anfangsbuchstaben. A. Musterfrau
@@mona-f Warum genau unterschreiben Sie Bewerbungen mit ihrem vollen Namen? Wenn nicht explizit erwähnt unterschreibe ich auch per Intial-Vorname+Nachname. Bei ein paar Unterschriften wurde der volle Name verlangt, waren üblicherweise Versicherungen oder offizielle Anträge bei Behörden (Eheurkunde z.B.).
@@Gigator Ich hab das so in der Schule gelernt, dass es respektvoller rüberkommt, weil man ja gern eingestellt werden will. Außerdem hat die Lehrerin gesagt, dass man möglichst deutlich unterschreiben soll. Erst wenn man selbst Chef ist, darf man Krikelunterschriften machen, die exzentrisch und extravagant sind.
@@mona-f Lehrer haben so gut wie keine Ahnung von Bewerbungen.
People who give their child a weird name are evil.
Well i dream of a world where i can call my child "Naruto", "Link" or "Zelda" and it doesn't count as "weird". Maybe Political Correctness should work on that as well.
@@TheLightningYu well, Zelda is an actual name that had been used for centuries before the game series; it has the same origin as the name "Hilda"!
@@TheLightningYu yeah same. I read about a child being called Yue after the moon spirit in atla and the name is even pretty
I don't really share your opinion about the naming restrictions over here. I think they're useful and necessary. The name should be something the child likes, but for obvious reasons they cannot tell us what they'd like to be called at the time they receive their name ;) Therefore, their parents make the choice, but not all parents base their decision in the well-being of their offspring. Some of them have predominantly their own interests in mind, so they want to be funny or they want to stand out or whatever. That's really unfair and disrespectful toward their child. That's why I welcome the restrictions that are in place here.
And since you bring up the example with "Abcde", yes, I think the airline employee should never have shamed them the way they did, that was really mean, especially considering that the child is innocent here, but at the same time I don't approve of this particular naming decision. What must have been the thought process behind that? "Oh, the first 5 letters of the alphabet can be made into a name? That will make our child really special." Something along those lines, I suppose. So do they want to brag that they came up with such a special name? Do they want their child to look special on lists of names? It looks really technical and artificial to me, constructed, not very human-like. Those are the associations that come up in my mind when confronted with this word as a name for a person.
Also, the pronunciation somehow got shoehorned onto this group of letters so that it flows well. It's not a natural way to pronounce that word. If that group of letters would be presented to me in writing without prior knowledge of how the name is supposed to sound, I would never ever think that this could be pronounced sensibly as a coherent word. The thing that naively came up would be "Ay-Bee-Cee-Dee-Ee", like in the song or when spelling, which does not sound like a single wholesome word or name at all. (That - of course - is not how the name "Abcde" is supposed to be said. The name is pronounced "Abseedee". My point being that it's not intuitive at all.)
Let me give you this example: I like the word "Bremsstrahlung" very much (few people know what it means without looking it up and it's the same word in English, even though it's originally a German word), as a word in itself and from a language perspective, but I would never ever name my child like that just to appear special to the rest of the world.
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I like "Adiabate", but it would never has passed :(
Well said, I completely agree. But I guess some Germans like me in some aspects just can't grasp the American idea of freedom...
@@Insomniac930 yeah the parents freedom ends where it might effect the childs freedom in life because of its name
There is no freesom without restrictions
A last one on names: I think people should find other ways to express themselves than finding a silly name for their children which they ONLY do because THE PARENTS egos need some fixing. They do it because they get aroused by the fact that this name will be in everybody's mouth as soon as they meet their kid. No - that nonsense should be stopped. Put a sticker on your bumper or get a silly tattoo instead, but leave the kids alone. They can't defend themselves and don't even understand the problems such a name can cause throughout their entire life. It is the KIDS' lives, not the parents' - so leave them alone.
Official documents in Germany has to be signed with the right name. Not nickname. That's law.
@@Mark-zo8ce 🤣🤣🤣
I know a musician who signs autographs with his nickname and when he went to get a motorcycle license he had to go and get a new form because he signed it with his autograph instead of his real signature.
Thats not right. Only your last name has to be at official documents.
You could sign as : William Taylor, Will taylor or W.Taylor.
And when a notary is there to authenticate you actions,
Your signature can be nearly everything.
@@lukieskywalker136 that's what I mean... In Germany... My marrying papers, for passport etc
the same in Romania, name as written in the ID
wait.. "Bill" is not an actual name? mind = blown
how did i not know this? i would've never thought about this was a shortened name
Middle Names are very common in Germany.
Multiple first names are common. But there is no such thing as a middle name in Germany.
@@MattiBlume What is the difference between a middle name and a second first name?
@@MattiBlume I think middle names are a typical catholic thing in Germany btw. in Austria where i come from
@@einfachnurlisa the middle name is often the name of your godfather or in my case from my grandpa. A second First Name is more like a random second Name chosen by your parents. Most people here in Austria don't mention there middle name. So its often just on officals documents etc.
@@einfachnurlisa Legally all first names are given names and equal. Compared to that, middle names can be given names as well as family names but are always distinct from the first name(s).
In Germany there are gender neutral names as well like Alex and Kim for example.
Meinst du "genderneutral"? I think that would be the better wording...
@@npiontek hast recht
Aaaaaber soweit ich weiß muss man in diesem Falle noch einen zweiten Vornamen dazu packen der Geschlechtspeztifisch ist (So jedenfalls habe ich das von zwei Paaren gehört die ihr Kind Kim tauften).
@@BirneGilmore Ich bin gerade dabei, meinen Namen zu ändern, und ja: Man kann bis zu 5 Vornamen haben, aber mindestens einer muss geschlechtsspezifisch sein. Man kann also zum Beispiel einen Jungen nicht Alex nennen ohne einen zweiten Vornamen (zum Beispiel Markus) zu haben.
Man kann allerdings mehrere geschlechtsspezifische Namen haben (zum Beispiel kann man einen Jungen Anton Maria nennen) solange der Rufname geschlechtsspezifisch ist (d.h. der Rufname des Jungen ist Anton, nicht Anton-Maria).
Michelle ist auch für beide.
In Sweden names ending with y, like Conny, Tommy, Johnny, Kenny... are considered lower class.
Similar thing in Germany. Lower income people might be more likely to give their children exotic
or fad names, possibly even name them after (American) celebrities. Paris, Jason etc. Especially names ending in -y are a giveaway: Ashley, Kelly, Ricky. Wealthy and high status Germans would likely name their children by a traditional sounding name, for example with Greek, old Germanic or Roman roots: Maximilian, Christina, Alexandra, Gottlieb. Those names are perceived with some sense of tradition and class.
in Poland it's every English sounding name that's considered lower class, especially Jessica, Brian and Allan
this are names for dogs or unwanted Children.
I thought in sweden the names all ending with mad? Like Muhammad or Mohamad?
@@elonmush4793 Gottlieb.. xD
Awesome German names:
Dieter Pete
Volker Racho
Volker Putt
Timo Beil
Karl Schlag
Rainer Zufall
Dieter Bletten
Karl Schlag?
😂😂😂
@@leonardhinkelmann5629 "Kahlschlag"
Timo Beil hat nen Moment gedauert. Mega!! 😅
@@TheElainemarley Kahlschlag sagte mir halt nix...
@@leonardhinkelmann5629 eine Waldfläche, welche komplett abgeholzt wurde. In Deutschland nur unter strengen Bedingungen erlaubt
Ähm... wie kann man denn in diesem Zusammenhang Axel Schweiss unerwähnt lassen?
Big difference between US and Germany and a reason for why the harsh naming restrictions:
As far as I know you can change your name in the US fairly easily even to the point where you can make yourself a whole new identity. Comes from not having a proper national ID. In Germany changing your given name is practically impossible. You can only:
- Choose your primary or call name from your given names (if you have multiple like first and middle etc.)
- Have your artistic or religious pseudonym officially recorded in your ID (for that you have to be published under that pseudonym or actually be a nun or something)
- Change your surname to that of your spouse or to a - double name on marriage
- Shortening your surname if you have a old fashioned " genannt " thing gong on
- Change your surname to that of your other parent as a minor in certain special circumstances
And that's it. Once you have a given name in Germany, you are stuck with it. Forever. Officially that is. If you can convince people to call you something else there is of course nobody stopping you. But things like signing that in official documents or just officially going by some abbreviation of your name won't fly.
Sorry but you are wrong. It's certainly a hustle but you CAN legally change your first name in Germany when you have very good reasons. The law regulating this is called „Allgemeine Verwaltungsvorschrift zum Gesetz über die Änderung von Familiennamen und Vornamen“.
you can change your name if you are a trans person
isn't changing first name just a bit of a hastle?
thought you also can change your family name when it became problematic or have a major diadvantage due to negative assosation (e.g. family name Wichser) through the change of meaning of the word or in rare cases with other person like the family name Hitler.
You are very wrong. My sister got her first name changed in Germany. You have to have some kind of good reason, but it's easy really. You just go to Standesamt, fill out the form, pay a bit of money and DONE.
Luca and Alex are examples for german "bigender" names.
Not to forget Sasha or Sascha.
@@JBdiGriz And Kim
also Kai
Those are nicknames not official names. So it doesn´t count.
@@Alternatives_Universum they can be nickname but also official names.
Kay-Sölve Richter, Kai Ebel
Kim Frank, Kim Kulig
Sascha Grammel, Sascha Soydan
Kevin! Schantalle! Schakeline!
...Hamburga
There's the name Maria in Germany which can be used as a second name for men or as a normal female name.
Catholic tradition.... ;)
This works also in Spain
Hi Kelly, we do have simular things in Germany, for example: Josef becomes Sepp or Jupp
or Johann becomes Hans .
Then we do have also names for boys and girls like : Alex, Kim, Robin, Kay, ...
and also nicknames like; Andi, Steffi, Uli, Nickie....used for both
just some examples, so it is pretty the same
also you can name you male child 'Maria' in germany
@@boxershorts989 Only as an additional name. Used to be done among (some) Catholics.
As am famous example: Rainer Maria Rillke
Christoph Maria Herbst, Markus Maria Profitlich
That's right, but you can only use Maria on second place ( for males), There is no Maria Rainer, Maria Christoph, Maria Klaus etc.
6:02 You're no longer in Germany but in Russia.
In German it would be: *Michael* -> Michi or Michel or Mike or Maik
Depends on the region. Micha is quiete common shortened form of Michael where I'm from (ruhrpott). Michi or Michel is more common in bavaria an the south (I don't know a single Michael that would willingly accept that as a shortned form of their name to be honest). Mike or Maik is more the "younger generation" overall.
@EVeErSs Interesting information, I have *never* heard of any Germans who shortened their Michael to Micha, but then I'm neither from the Ruhrpott nor even German. As far as I can remember, I have met only three Michas of German descent in my life, and they were all Jewish, that's why I assumed it was Jewish/Russian, not German. I was wrong, it seems. Are there any prominent Michas in your country?
@@EVeErSs I've also usually heard the short form Micha, from Michael, very rarely Michel or Michi or something else
@@henridelagardere264 I'm from Bavaria originally and in my area we'd either not shorten the name Michael at all or go for Michi. The only case in which Micha appeared where I'm from was the shortened form of Michaela, so Micha kinda has an female connotation to me.
@@TheAkwarium my Father is Michael and they call him Michel
Names like Kim and Mika can be used for both genders in Germany
also luka/luca
Or alex...
Kai also
Vivian as well
But Alex is usually only a short form of either Alexander for males or Alexandra for females. I've never heard of German female called Alex whose actual name was not Alexandra. @@abb_123
Bigender names in Germany are for example Alex or Sascha
or Kim
Eike und Kai
@@steamrunnerOS Wo in Deutschland gilt das denn bitte für Kai?!?
Ist auch eher selten denke ich, aber ich kenne eine.
@@steamrunnerOS mein Beileid.
I thought Ted was the nickname for Theodore? 🤔
It’s for Theodore as well :)
It is ... the original Teddy bear was named after Theodore Roosevelt.
also Edward
Theodore = Eduardo = Edward = Ted/Teddy/Eddie etc.
@@YouAreTheOnePercent now it makes sense! Thank you very much!
As a German, I was all with you during the Berlin story, only to be reminded by Maximus Wiener and Nittany/Lion and Abcde that I'm not all too bothered by what I perceive to be reasonable restrictions. Having a system where, like the Berlin couple, it is possible get away with innovation as long as pronunciation or spelling or overall impression don't slide into the absurd is something I'm fine with, at least right now. I do recorgnize that it's a philosophical ugliness that subjective judgements of euphony/acceptability/absurdity restrict other people's possibilites, but I do appreciate that there's not a complete absence of limitations. And if a sensible couple with a sensible innovative proposal is occasionally rejected unnecessarily (with the system in place erring on the side of caution, as it were), I trust their very sensibility to enable them to deal with that.
totally. i mean... gods, who in their right mind names their child ABCDE? Thats literally just the first five characters of the alphabet. Not allowing such a name isnt restricting. Its preventing lazy people from not thinking five minutes about the name they want to give their damn offspring. i know bullying is bad and i got bullied a lot, but if there wouldve been a child named Abcde in my class, im pretty sure i wouldve been on the bullying side. There should really be a test on who is allowed to have children -.- first question: do you think naming you children after the alphabet or some country/city is a good idea? yes? get out! no children for you!
I actually love the name Nittany. The “Nittany Lion” is named after Princess Nittany, a Native American woman who lived in the area hundreds of years ago. And as for Lion, I don’t really take issue with that either. I think it’s pretty badass actually haha and really close to sounding like Lionel anyway. I’m sure there are some exceptions of parents truly giving an abusive name but I’m a fairly firm believer in not shaping policy and government regulation to address the exception with relatively minor issues like this
oh or the other one i heard of: a couple that named their child "google" because they always searched for happiness and found it with their child. Dear gods, please start throwing thunderballs agains humanity again.
@@Kellydoesherthing oh its not a minor issue, if you have to live the rest of your life with "Lucifer" (a name that some parents werent allowed to use) or "Abcde" (seriously, thats just lazy parenting), as you cant change your first name normally (except for special cases like [sry donz know the correct word in english] "wittness protection").
Kelly does her thing Nittany would be allowed then in Germany. Because that‘s an actually name. A while ago a lot of people were naming their kids „Smilla“ after a character in a book. The name is not on any official list, but if it‘s a name in a book that’s enough. There is even a child out there with an unpronounceable name of a Mayan god or whatever. It‘s just that the context of the name cannot be negative, as someone mentioned Lucifer is not allowed and neither is Judas.
Its a tendency for people from the so-called "lower class" to name their children "exotic" sounding names as a kind of coping mechanisms for what they can't have themselves. For example very common names for children born in East Germany in the 70s or 80s are Rico and Mandy. Those names sounded exciting and exotic to the people at that time. But when you hear those names spoken out loud in a very distinct Saxonian dialect nowadays all the clichees and stereotypes of backwoods privincial East Germany come to life and somehow negate the initial intention of those names. Same goes for "Schackeline", "Schantalle" and "Käwwin" spoken with a clichee Ruhrpott accent. Those are typicals "lower class" names for children born in the 90s and 00s. These days people come up with way more creative and absurd "unique" names for their children. I guess the American equivalent would be those "black names" that came up recently with people naming their kids Duquan, DaMarcus or LaTanya.
BTW: I looked it up - Kelly comes from a gaelic clan name meaning "Decendants of Ceallach" wich means "warrior". So your German name would be "Hilde" or "Hilda" or something like that.
middle names are really common in germany, almost all of my friends have middle names. and me for example, my name is Lily Marie, but im called Marie. its also common in germany
The start of the regulation of names is not German, but Napoleon! After conquering a country, he introduced the French civil register system there. That system had rules about only using exiting names. After the defeat of Napoleon many countries kept the civil register, with those rules. The Netherlands only abolished these rules in 1970. Since then names can be refused if they are offensive. Of about 50 cases that came to court, only in about 10 cases the name was finally refused.
It’s not always the over active German government that makes the rules!
It‘s not only with anglo-american names like Kevin, Jason, Brian but also with French names like Jaqueline or Chantal. When you watch German trash TV shows the protagonists usually have these sort of names 😄
Good to know - thanks!
my cousin is called jaqueline and yea she kind of is trash.. she never had a job in her life and is dumb as shit... so it totally fits the stereotype in this case
In part this is also due to English and French names being popular in East Germany before the wall came down, as an inconspicuous way of voicing dissent. Of course at the same time Russian derived names were popular there, such as Mirko or Mischa (Russian short form of Michael).
fudgi oh yes! I know so many Kevins I don’t even wanna start to count and I swear to you not a single one of them is someone I’d ever take seriously. Or even ask for the way. Or talk to at all.
But on the other hand, my name is Lisa and that’s one of those names that’s linked to good manners, responsibility and all that but I’m the most fucked up person and pretty much messed up my entire life so far - and I’m 28.
But still, while the „positive“ names aren’t really too accurate with their descriptions of the person, I can confirm that Kevinism really is a thing.
Oh and the Justins, don’t let me start with the Justins I know 😂
There's a girl in my husband's math class named Jaqueline Michelle and she insists on being called her full name. Recently I had to learn infant CPR and we're supposed to shout the name of the baby, so I used Jaqueline Michelle, which makes the whole CPR process take longer *lol* I also enjoyed shouting old-fashioned names at the baby, "Manfred!" "Guenter!" "Wilhelm!" I love those old German names.
the part about the American short versions of names was actually mind-blowing!
but really, I'm glad we have those restrictions in Germany
This reminds me of a German joke:
"Frau Grube, wollen Sie ihre Tochter wirklich Claire nennen?"
I translated it, but I still don't get it.
I also looked it up and the "klärgrube" apparently means "septic" in English so I guess this is it
@@MiroslavMydlo aah got it
Translate the German word = Klärgrube into english an you will get it.
Klara Lack
As to Kevinism: Do you really think that a child in the US named with names from a minority group would not face prejudice and worse? As to the "name dictating": As you incorrectly implied, there is NO positive list of approved names. You can name your child whatever you want, as long as it does not ridicule the child (who is an own person, not the toy of its parents). So calling it "Führer" or something like a cartoon character or a washing detergent, might be objected by the registrar (not the government), also depending whether you live in small town Germany or in a bigger city. Registrars in Berlin might be more lenient with such names than registrars in Buxtehude...and if you are not happy with that, you can always appeal the decision of the registrar. As simple as that. As far as I know, the name needs to reflect the gender of the child, at least a second name would have to do so. The common bi-gender names I know off the top of my head are Heike, Meike and Eike...you are usually asked to attach a second name to clarify the gender. However, in real life I have only met female Heikes and Meikes and only male Eikes...
I don't believe there is any man named Heike or Meike, and probably no woman named Eike
Edit: apparently there are a few women named Eike, I still don't believe there is any man called Heike or Meike
@@majan6267 i know a woman named Eike, this is true.
I also know a female Eike. ♀️
You also can't give male names to girls or female names to boys. And they only base their desiscions on what is usual in Germany. I know of a case where parents with Italian Origin where not allowed to name their boy Andrea, because it is a female name in Germany, although it is a male name in Italy.
Also there was a case where the parents from an ordinary family where not allowed to give their child something like 6 first names but for families of the former nobility it is not unusual to have something like 10 first names (e.g. Karl Theodor von und zu Guttenberg really has 10 first names), so there is also a lot of arbitrariness in these decisions. And I am only talking about decisions that where upheld by courts.
I thought common bi-gender names are Michelle, Kim, Elli, Mika, Sascha. I've never heard of a male Heike or Meike.
"funny" named kids get bullied way more often i think.
Most horrible ideas are Names that '"fit" with the surname... like Axel Schweiß or Rosa Schlüpfer... or worst of all: Hagen Kreuz. All this are normal Names, wich give a bad sence when combined. U can imagine what would happen to kids with this names...
I had a girl in my class called Claire Grube... she hated her name
@@sessyfuchs7316 Yes, "Cesspool" clearly is not a desirable name :-)
or think of marie joana
Mackenzie is a weird english name for me. In my opinion it totally sounds like a surname.
Agreed and I live in the US. My own anecdotal observations of this is as such: in the late '70s and '80s, many families in the US started giving (what sounds like to me) surnames/last names as Christian/first names to their girls. I've met plenty of girls of that age range with names like: Hunter, Morgan, Taylor, Avery, Riley, Hudson et al. ad naseum. I bet there is a PhD in sociology waiting for anyone who researches the "why" behind this trend.
Best regards from Kevin the Troublemaker ;-)
Surnames were probably originally given as first names (or more usually middle names) to stop a family name dying out, for instance when an only daughter got married and took on her husbands surname, she might give one of her children her maiden name.
Mackenzie is a Scottish gaelic surname meaning 'son of Kenneth' (mac Coinnich). But in the US it's often used as a female first name.
@@kevinjones5179 another fun fact in Germany about the name Kevin: beneath being often treated as a description for a stupid person there is also the maximum version of it: the Alpha-Kevin, which can be described as the dumbest of them all... 😂
@@krizkeyyy7236 Thanks for the insight! With that, I am excited to establish (for myself, of course!) the superlative title of "ÜberKev" ;-)
@@kevinjones5179 Good boy, may God stay on your side... *dramatic look to the camera*
My father is actually called „Robert Michael“ and he goes with his middle name and is also named after his father. And I don‘t think it’s that uncommon in Germany. 🤔 By the way I do also have an middle name and my siblings too. You just introduce yourself to others with your first name maybe that’s why you think Germans don’t have middle names.
There are still lots of Germans who don't have middle names, in the region I'm from people who don't have a middle name are probably the majority, but yes, while middle names are definitely a thing in Germany, they aren't as big of a thing as they are in America.
the middle name thing isnt true i know a lot of people with middle names, we often just dont use them on anything apart from passports and even there we have the option to leave them away. A lot of people only have their middle names on their birth certificate
There is no "middle name" in German. There possibly _are_ additional given names.
Copied from my other comment:
As a German i have a set of friends who call me by my first name, mostly family and older friends. Then there are also a lot of people who call me by my second name, mostly because i started to introduce myself with it because my first name is shared with a famous trash tv millionaire. And if you are german.... you already have a word in your head with a distinct emphasis. And that was so fucking annoying. Everytime my name was mentioned someone bursted it out.
So i do use my second name ;) BTW there is no actual order of first and following names. You can order them as you like on your IDs when you go your admistrative office.
There are some unisex names in germany, but you have to have a second name that clearly identifies your gender.
An example would be Kim. It came to germany from english speaking countries as a shortened version of Kimberly (f) and from east europe as a version of Joakim (m).
And from Asia, mainly Korea I think, even though it's a family name normally.
Not anymore. They relaxed the rules for unisex names a while ago.
Gerrit is also a unisex name, it can be a form of Gerhard (male) as well as Gertrud (female).
Its a very common name in Korea. Especially in North Korea.
Am i the only confused about what the point actually is with the names? Like... it's soooo looooong 🙈🙈 sorry but i just hear you saying random facts but without any real conclusion... it just goes on and on. I don't quite know how to express it.
I usually never say something that rude, but i am at half of the video and i feel like there has been no process. 🙈 but maybe that's just me. Still, i don't mean to insult you, just maybe next time, try to get to the point a bit faster... for some reason it was hard to understand what you wanted to say at times.
I am actually listening to you while writing this, so i just got to the point where you talk about german stigmas on certain names (like with kevin). At least now, i understand what you are talking about! But i gotta say, these stigmas usually only apply to germans who have those names (like kevin, samatha, celine, chanthal, etc...)
Now i listened to you further, you are claiming that the german gorvernment dictates what your child should be called.. WHAT??? That is NOT true, he just wants to make sure that you don't name it something ridiculous like "spaghetti". (Or even worse, "mom's spaghetti") 🙈
your not alone buddy, i guess thats the same with american and german women, they talk about nothing for hours, its rage inducing
To your last sentence I have to say that there are restrictions. As example it's not allowed to name your kid Jasha because it's a nickname for Joshua :(
Samantha has a bad connotation? As a german, I never recognized it. I think it's a great name, but ok.
@@muffntheB Hey, I just won today's game of "spot the male virgin"!
Names have a very high degree of identification in Germany. That's why you have to sign all official paper work with full first and last name and an abbreviated name would not be acceptable.
Kai is my favorite gender neutral name.
I'm pretty sure that in Germany you have to sign a document with your 'real' name, for it to be considered valid
I know at least 3 Germans that go by their middle name. So that's a thing.
Yeah I'm also go by my second name
I know only one person, but no one uses that, besides the parents
@@anonnym8914
You CAN use a Name that is not gender specific in germany but it needs a second name that is. Examples are "Kim" and "Luca"
Not true, you don't need a second gender specific name. I have no clue why some people think that.
In Germany if the first name can be used for both genders you have to give your child a second name that has to be gender specific.
maybe nowadays we need to be more specific. A baby has to have a name which is specific to their sex (biological setup). Weird, however, is you could be a male baby and still be named with 2 female and only one male "first" names.
If you change your name later in life other rules may apply, I'm not sure.
Rainer Maria Rilke, Klaus Maria Brandauer, Carl Maria von Weber: in such cases it is mandatory.
+Escylon Not true! There is no law in Germany preventing you from naming your child with an unisex name and there is no need to make the gender specific with a second name. In 2008, a ruling in the Federal Constitutional Court clarified this. What you are referring to is an administrative provision without legislative character (Verwaltungsvorschrift ohne Gesetzescharakter).
Names I know for both gender in Germany: Eike, Kim, Jule, Rene, Luca, Gerrit, Kirsten, Sascha, Toni and Robin.
@@rivenoak the use of Maria as second name for a boy is a traditional catholic (bavarian) exception of the gender correct naming rules
You can give a lastname as a surename. You can call your boy for example Günter or Günther and thats a lastname. So someone could be called Günther Günther.
That reminds me: In my childhood, i grew up with a guy called `Benjamin Günther`and the vather of a friend of mines name was `Günter Benjamin`
There are quite some unisex names in Germany as well: Alex, Kirsten, Mika, Robin... Mostly short forms of gender differential names.
Kim, Max (Maxima-Maximilian), Toni (Antonia-Anton)
True. But if you choose to name your child this way you have to mandatory choose a second name (either as a first or middle name) to go by it. May name is Franz Gerrit for example. Gerrit being unisex (but rarely used on females). Btw. I use my middle name as my first name AND I'm actually the 6th in line with having "Franz" as a name but the middle name changes every time.
Never heard of kirsten as a gender neutral name tbh
diese Spitznamen gibt es aber nicht im Pass
- Kelly, you might want to take a look at the rather straight explanation Rewboss made about the child name issue: ua-cam.com/video/A7X7tWmcXCo/v-deo.html It's not the 'government making anything' but a way it has always been handled. It isn't about 'seeking permission' or ' approval', but a process of mediation helping parents with less thought thru ideas.
- Also it's traditional for Germans do have several names often 4, 5 or more, not just two like in the US. While it became less common nowadays to have more than 3, it's still a thing. Since there are usually a lot of them, no 'tradition' of middle name ever came up.
- Like everywhere people pick one of their names when growing up as their primary name and it doesn't have to be the first. It's called 'Rufname' (Called by) and used in all transactions as given name. There is even a convention how to handle this in legal situations where all given names have to be spelled out: The one used in every day situations has to be underlined.
- Now, for abbreviation of given names, I'm prety sure you heared about Fritz as a German, didn't you - well, its the diminutive form of Friedrich. Not much similarity isn't it? Or Sepp as short for Josef and so on.
- While numbering name bearers is a typical US thing, giving the first born son the name of his father (as first given name) or the mothers name to the first bord daughter is still a thing. I'm for example the third in this line in my family - and my son being the fourth. No need to add bells and whistles.
- For Kevin, it's just one of these foreign names that make some inroad at a certain time and soon fall out of fashion. Now consider that people of higher education (and usually income) are more into selecting more traditional names (or lower education parents are more likely to select fashionable names, like from some TV show - make your pick).
- Last but not least, while there are few gender neutral names, it isn't uncommon to use other gender name as an additional (not first) given name. Just think Rainer Maria Rielke. Usually these are names of saints meant to bless the child.
Here are some German unisex names: Alex, Florin, Luca, Maxi, Mika, Merle, Kim, Uli/Ulli, Robin, Sascha, Toni and Tomke.
Most of those are because they are shortend versions of the orignal names like Alexander/Alexandra or one version is german and the other is used diffrently in other countries like Andrea (german w italian m) but yeah those can be used unisex in rare cases.
I know many people with middle names in Germany. Sometimes it feels like nearly everyone has one
Rewboss made a very precise video on German naming rules (which is not a legal instance but just administrative order).
Also, many Germans have middle names, I myself am a Jochen Ulrich, my one godson carries his father's first name as his second name, my other godson is named after his grandfather and great-grandfather as his second and third name. Oftentimes, the godparents' first names become a child's second name (it was planned to do that to one of my godsons, but I objected willfully).
There is the thing that socio-economic status or educational level of the parents is often - more or less consciously - expressed in how they name their children. Also, some names are more prevalent in certain regions: Kilian, for example, is a regional saint in Würzburg, and thus, the name is pretty common in Lower Franconia but hardly ever found elsewhere.
rewboss video : ua-cam.com/video/A7X7tWmcXCo/v-deo.html
Rewbossewboss is excellent
Kevin ist kein Name, nach der Geburt wird einem nur gesagt ob man Kevin positiv oder negativ ist
C17 ByKenshi den kannte ich noch nicht.
Stadtpark90 ;D
Zum Glück war mein alter Klassenkamerad negativ 😆 er heißt jetzt Calvin.... Und nicht Kevin.....
Hat der Glück gehabt........
😅
Whats your name?
"Tim"
"Oh. Hi Timmey!"
"No. Just "Tim"!"
"Ok. Timmääää!!!"
*facepalm*
Germans are allowed to choose names that don't indicate a gender but only if there is a second name that clarifies it. For example my name is Janis, which is a female name in the US but a male name in Germany. And my parents had to choose a second clearly female name like Rebecca, which is my second name.
Also I think that second names are not so uncommon in Germany. Many people here just hate them and never share it with anyone. Probably because a lot of times the second name is the first name of the grandfather or grandmother and no teen wants to be called Gertrud or Oskar.
Actually not always. My name is Francis, and i do not have a second name. Everyone always thinks i am a man. :D
Sorry, but before you start accusing Germany of "dictating' anything, how about doing your research and think about it for a second? The names that are forbidden include things along the lines of Aryan Nation, Total moron, Satan, not Kevin. It's not about which names are in trend, but preventing a kid from a life of suffering. Unlike Kelly or Kevin, these names will prevent you from leading a decent life. You won't be taken seriously anywhere, and you WILL be bullied well into adulthood. Children can be bullies regardless of the name you wear, but if you have an openly racist name, for example, there is an actual reason to exlude you.
How can you not grasp this concept? The US is the minority when it comes to naming rights.
Very interesting video, athough it isn't quite correct that the german governemnt dictates what you can name your child. But they are able to reject certain names. If parents would name their child Hitler, the name would get rejected. This is decided on a case by case basis. Although it may seem like they dictate names because throughout the decades it became known which names will be rejected, so there is a list which names will be rejected.
Germans often have a family member acting as the godfather/-mother, and their middle name is then the one of that person, but Germans usually don't bear that name officially / in everyday life.
Kevin in Germany is the same as Jessica or Brian in Poland and people here think mothers that name their children that way are just trying to be "cool". In fact the children themselves aren't considered stupid or anything, but their parents are.
There are actually several German names which can be used for both genders such as Luca, Mika or Sascha. But mostly they have to be combined with a middle name which definitely expresses the gender
And then you have people like "Markus Maria".....
Well, Bavarians, and Roman-Catholic Ruhr inhabitants, use "Maria" often as a second name, even for boys, despite it being obviously a female name.
The requirement for a gender-specific name was actually ruled as unlawful about 10 years ago. Here is the decision by the Bundesverfassungsgericht: www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Entscheidungen/DE/2008/12/rk20081205_1bvr057607.html
I like your videos. You are one of the few people who are so not pretentious. No chi chi, cheap thrills or clickbaiting.
I really appreciate the informative idea of your videos and the unpretentious way you convey the information. Very matter of fact.
Actually … very german :-)
Aw thank you :) you put a smile on my face! I’m happy you’re enjoying my videos and thank you for watching!
Fun fact: when I started learning English in 5th grade in Germany, our teacher had us decide for an English name on our own. Guess which name I chose 😁 KELLY. It was my favorite name!!! I was inspired by "Beverly Hills 90210" 😂
Even funnier fact: I wrote this before you mentioned Beverly Hills 90210 😂 I'm so sorry
Lololol! 😂😂😂 this is perfect
I discovered your channel and have now watched few videos but this one had the funniest comments. I haven't laughed so much in a very long time. Keep the videos coming. 👍🏻
kussmaulanna thanks!
Naming your child Berlin? Giving me flashbacks to watching La Casa de Papel xD
I'm German and just amazed about the idea of "Sawyer" as a surname. That's sexy.
Most of the "translateable" names are from the bible, so originally Hebrew, butchered in several ways to fit western languages. Matthew, Marc, Mary, Joshua, John, Joseph, Benjamin ... Biblical names have been the most popular ones since the spread of Christianity, and that remains true today. And since all western nations share this tradition, many of their first names are derived from the same biblical figures. Israel and the muslim countries also share in this phenomenon, since they derive many of their names from the same heritage. Abraham/Ibrahim ...
Another set of "translateable" names are from common Germanic heritage of German and English - and of course Dutch, Danish etc, but obviously not shared by the Latin-derived languages, or only in a form derived from German or English. Richard & Frederick are good examples of this group.
And a third group are names from the English-speaking world mimicked in European countries because ... television. :) That is also the reason why they have this stigma, the association being that the parents named their child because of their fascination with some media fad. Totally nonsensical of course.
Two small additions. One, the popular Christian names are not only from the bible, but sometimes also the names of (later) saints who might not be Hebrew in origin. One example is St Nicholas, which is a Greek name. And two, not only the western nations share those names, but also the countries with Orthodox churches, like Greece, Russia, Serbia, Bulgaria and others.
@@imrehundertwasser7094 I should have said "culturally European" instead of "western".
Most European names come from the inheritance of Western Civilization - either Hebrew, Greek, or Latin. Then add language-specific names like "Béla" in Hungary, "Lech" in Poland, or "Björn/Bjørn" in the Nordic countries. Some names start out in one place and spread abroad. "Edward" is an example of this; it started in England and is of Anglo-Saxon origin. Soon enough, you have Spanish/Portuguese "Eduardo," French "Édouard," Italian "Edoardo," and Eduard in various languages. Because various Celtic languages managed to survive in the British Isles, and because these languages influenced English, there are a multitude of Celtic names in the English tradition. Examples include Angus, Llewellyn, Moira, Donald, Finn, Ross, Eithne, etc.
Middle names in germany aint common? Oh boy.... all of my friends and family Members have middle names.
@Knuckles in your face selbst in meiner Schule hatten 70% der Schüler Mittelnamen
@Knuckles in your face Hier in Berlin-Brandenburg ist es ziemlich verbreitet
@Knuckles in your face "Berlin-Brandenburg" Das ist kein Stadtteil... Berlin-Brandenburg ist die komplette Region bzw. die beiden Bundesländer zusammengefasst
Ich dachte Brat Pitt ist eine Grillwurst von Meica? :D
* Person's name is Kevin *
Germans: 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Naja. Klar, wenn ich den Jungen Bronko nenne, wird er in der Schule verarscht.
Aber nenne ich ihn Pansenbronko, kann er einpacken.
Da ist es mir lieber, wenn das Standesamt eingreift.