28:00 I think ByuN tapped out when he saw the zealots about to flank the tanks with all the boys misplaced to the right, no? 39:41 - huh? Why leave? Why not summon another DT after scan finishes? Without a raven or ghost, there's only so much detection that the terran can call into the protoss base, surely MaxPax could've defended... he had the resources for a DT drop... hmm... MaxPax seems to behave a little like IdrA xD
Too much damage after the scan finishes. Terran detection is not hard or slow to get, which is why DT's are almost exclusively reserved for cheeses and counterattacks.
I'm really loving the recent appearances of Billy the, uh … _mentally divergent_ SCV who just stands in one place doing nothing, letting you know the job's finished over and over.
That first game Feels like Protoss is always one mistake away from getting trashed every game whereas other races can just make mistakes until they get an opportunity Disclaimer: I don't even play this game feel like 90% of what I watch is Protoss getting bullied LOL
That one tiny little mistake being that half the army is off in the opposite corner of the map as the natural is being attacked. Literally half. I count at least 50 supply worth of Stalker Disruptor Zealot wandering off into the corner, then the gold base, then arriving back too late to defend. Everything is on the mini map.
One little mistake having 10 disruptors as your only splash damage across the map not being involved in a fight at all as Byun's entire army bioball comes barrelling into your production. Such a small little mistake.
Holy shit TvP Mech with ACTUAL POSITIONAL PLAY WITH FORWARD FORTIFIED POSITIONS? Hell yeah!!! I've always wanted TvP Mech to be at least somewhat viable, but it's just been so difficult with all the changes in LotV, but I guess it can work now
Actually, I think Cyclones are more of a Vulture Goliath hybrid. It has the flexibility and cost of a Goliath, but the speed and kiting ability of the Vulture. It's better against Mechanical units than Light, but it serves a similar purpose in screening for tank lines. Hellions or Hellbats would be needed in the back to stop a Zealot flank.
Maxpax outplays at all points, but as soon as a fight has to occur he just gets terran'd and it's over. He lost like 60 supply in 5 seconds in the first game.
@@MrVeryfrost that matters very little when gameplay is not optimal. Only way to balance is just accounting for pro play, which is what they have been doing albeit not successfully
@@koda4386 it was sickening to watch the terran army actually get close and do damage instead of eating 4 disruptor shots, losing 80 supply and gging out.
MaxPax: *pulls the cheesiest shit of all time* Comments: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" ByuN: *fights back* Comments: " TERRAN IMBA NERF EVERY SINGLE TERRAN UNIT ;((((((((((((((((((((((((("
Last game was really interesting I think terran mech can work with more matrix usage on immortals,archons,prims,colosus , need emp not many ghost, spreading more siege tanks , bats to kill the lots and some vikings is key to kill colos, observers,prisms, oracules , phoenixes, anti armor missile for zealots, mass stalks. This terran player plays well problem he dont build to many support key units ( ghost, ravens, vikings , bats) to disable the protoss ball. gg xD
In lore, Protoss are the baddest motherf*ckers in the galaxy, only losing by being overwhelmed by sheer unrelenting numbers or being caught by surprise . in gameplay, they’re so difficult to manage for anyone save pro players, units are frankly underpowered given their expense, their tech has some glaring weaknesses despite the nominally higher durability (but not by much)…I wonder what I would be like to play a true to power scale game…any mods out there?
Need to ask the Dumb question... What is with the Hearthstone Cards? are these actual perks the players pick or just cards based on how things seems because of how they play?
It's too apm intensive when the main bulk of the army (usually bio) needs to be microed all the time or else get wiped out by splash damage (banes, disruptors, or seige tank volleys). Usually you see spellcasters with easier to micro armies (lurkers and vipers, carriers and mothership, etc)
Long time sc and sc2 player here and lately I didnt follow up the pro scene but what are those cards and passives do players get the benefits or whats the deal with them ?
Am I crazy for thinking that a soft balance patch for Terran would be increasing the amount of health taken by Stimpack? It's the most important upgrade in the entire arsenal for Terran. It only costs 10 health for marines 45/55 health and 20 for marauder's 125 health. They get movement speed and firing rate increase of 50%, and overall Marines can effectively stimpack 5/6 times before dying, and marauders get 7 times before dying, and much more for both with a medivac around. Then again, maybe I'm just yelling at clouds because I don't like Terran.
Specifically, properly micro'd Terran bio. Most units not from the barracks really aren't that good to the point of all just being supplements to the bio, hence why mech is rarely played.
Thanks, Winter, for being the best caster throughout the years. Keep those videos coming!
Karen and Brenda spending some hard earned time off.
And susan!
@@KHfanguy Susan! im trying to sleep here get off my creep!
Man collossus looks like they have one volley of health next to terran bio. Very true to-life !
Attacking up a ramp with siege tanks has never been great for life expectancy of anyone.... LOL, so true.
I'd appreciate the name of the tournament of which it is the grand finals in the intro :) thanks for the cast as always though!
It is in the title
*Description
Description :)
@@AHAPPYBANNANAthere are so many tournaments (even weekly) that Will make the Titles confusing and prevent new comers
@@pabloalfaro3768 ?
Mech doesn't work against protoss.
-Confucius, probably.
ill have you know i only like and subscribe because of jimmy, the unseen unsung hero who gets all the real work done on this channel.
40:24, that meme of heroes of the storm at the bottom of the ocean. every single time i see it, makes me laugh. 10/10 accuracy
I don't usually like videos, buy i DO think he's one of the most humble and modest youtubers I'm watching right now.
wow mech vs protoss? with this economy?
Game 1 was nuts, great cast, thanks!
15:15 One of the most legendary Terran do or die pushes I have ever seen...
28:00 I think ByuN tapped out when he saw the zealots about to flank the tanks with all the boys misplaced to the right, no?
39:41 - huh? Why leave? Why not summon another DT after scan finishes? Without a raven or ghost, there's only so much detection that the terran can call into the protoss base, surely MaxPax could've defended... he had the resources for a DT drop... hmm... MaxPax seems to behave a little like IdrA xD
Too much damage after the scan finishes. Terran detection is not hard or slow to get, which is why DT's are almost exclusively reserved for cheeses and counterattacks.
MaxPax? Behaving like Idra? 😂😂😂😂😂
31:00 Clem and the captain were labbing this defense and MaxPax was in the chat at the time
I'm really loving the recent appearances of Billy the, uh … _mentally divergent_ SCV who just stands in one place doing nothing, letting you know the job's finished over and over.
"I don't have any friends, I'm a Terran"
Winter bout to get demonetized for uploading murder on YT
Game three is the "thumbnail" game, if anyone was wondering, starts 28:45 - edit: and one of the later games ^^
That first game
Feels like Protoss is always one mistake away from getting trashed every game whereas other races can just make mistakes until they get an opportunity
Disclaimer: I don't even play this game feel like 90% of what I watch is Protoss getting bullied LOL
That one tiny little mistake being that half the army is off in the opposite corner of the map as the natural is being attacked.
Literally half. I count at least 50 supply worth of Stalker Disruptor Zealot wandering off into the corner, then the gold base, then arriving back too late to defend. Everything is on the mini map.
They deserve it. Always hated those mouthless, gold-gilded, fish faced thumbs.
Zerg and Terrans FTW!!!
One little mistake having 10 disruptors as your only splash damage across the map not being involved in a fight at all as Byun's entire army bioball comes barrelling into your production.
Such a small little mistake.
Holy shit TvP Mech with ACTUAL POSITIONAL PLAY WITH FORWARD FORTIFIED POSITIONS? Hell yeah!!!
I've always wanted TvP Mech to be at least somewhat viable, but it's just been so difficult with all the changes in LotV, but I guess it can work now
Actually, I think Cyclones are more of a Vulture Goliath hybrid. It has the flexibility and cost of a Goliath, but the speed and kiting ability of the Vulture. It's better against Mechanical units than Light, but it serves a similar purpose in screening for tank lines. Hellions or Hellbats would be needed in the back to stop a Zealot flank.
Amazing games from Byun. Great to see!!
what a cherry on top of a final game
Never before have I witnessed such gasted flabbers than during that last match.
MaxPax?! I'm In!
are you maxpax?
i feel like this channel is growing alot more recently
The Byunker rush.... fkn salute sir!
“For the night is dark, and full of Terrans.” 🤣🤣
The splits. Even JCVD is proud.
The God Emperor of Humility
God your commentary had me howling, great games as well!
Look… what you do is amazing to me. Favorite thing is to go to sleep watching these and listening to your shenanigans 🤙
15:25 CHECK OUT THAT HERO SENTRY
Maxpax outplays at all points, but as soon as a fight has to occur he just gets terran'd and it's over. He lost like 60 supply in 5 seconds in the first game.
i don't even play this game and it was just sickening to watch that swing lmao.
Ah yeah, Toss cry. By far, Protoss are the most numerous players in Masters and GM, but minions still cry when they lose.
@@MrVeryfrost that matters very little when gameplay is not optimal. Only way to balance is just accounting for pro play, which is what they have been doing albeit not successfully
Not only did he lose like 60 supply, he lost it while having a good 40 army supply advantage in that particular fight.
@@koda4386 it was sickening to watch the terran army actually get close and do damage instead of eating 4 disruptor shots, losing 80 supply and gging out.
wow, what a series! The click bait title should have been about the mech v. ground toss last game!
Awesome cast ! Gg
What do yall think is the ideal combat ratio of medivac to bio? Is it just enough to fill the dropship?
12:08 "Byun is Clem's prodigal father" 😅
Fuckin phenomenal games. Winter keeping sc alive!
lol, 18:40, that marine just gets sliced right in half. hahaha
Great series
Nice gamecasting, Winter!
I may be a huge MaxPax fan, but any I see a Terran go mech against Protoss, I root for them.
The look of disgust at 33:09 😂
i need to know what MaxPax looks like
MaxPax: *pulls the cheesiest shit of all time*
Comments: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
ByuN: *fights back*
Comments: " TERRAN IMBA NERF EVERY SINGLE TERRAN UNIT ;((((((((((((((((((((((((("
The map is dark, and full of terrans!
Last game was really interesting I think terran mech can work with more matrix usage on immortals,archons,prims,colosus , need emp not many ghost, spreading more siege tanks , bats to kill the lots and some vikings is key to kill colos, observers,prisms, oracules , phoenixes, anti armor missile for zealots, mass stalks. This terran player plays well problem he dont build to many support key units ( ghost, ravens, vikings , bats) to disable the protoss ball. gg xD
I want to see more mech terrain.
Lmao, soon as the dt pops it gets splatter, first time I've seen a gg scan!
Legit best sc caster
thanks winter
Algorithm gods, give Winter the boost he deserves
Cyclones stutter-stepping. like only Byun can
that scv at 51:21 got ptsd now
At 10:25 Winter said, "69 SCVs makes a good baseline economy ..." and I feel like it is a sign that he is slipping.
"The Double D's of destruction" lmao
one of the best games i saw!!
The last game is incredible ! =)
Let's effin Go Winter!!!🎉🎉 Jimmy, my day is better
In lore, Protoss are the baddest motherf*ckers in the galaxy, only losing by being overwhelmed by sheer unrelenting numbers or being caught by surprise .
in gameplay, they’re so difficult to manage for anyone save pro players, units are frankly underpowered given their expense, their tech has some glaring weaknesses despite the nominally higher durability (but not by much)…I wonder what I would be like to play a true to power scale game…any mods out there?
i'll happily admit to liking that goat joke
"ill probably do it anyways Idk what else i'd do with my life" every video lol
Need to ask the Dumb question... What is with the Hearthstone Cards? are these actual perks the players pick or just cards based on how things seems because of how they play?
Yeah it's just a meme
@NMvapa thank you
We see a Byun game we click the video
36:25 got me LMAO!
Didn’t Clem just do something like this recently
Give me my nightly dose of sc2
Why no storm?
1:15 And thank you all for being here.
The great crushing hug of repair 😂
He's not ByuN, he's god!
I want to see Serral(T) vs Clem(Z)
Day 62 winter... where is our Brenda t shirt?
"Get off my CREEP!"
Marine cost up to 75min + 10gas, increase building time will sold most of the problem
Im calling out Jimmy for not being ready with the likes at the start of the vid!
Бьян такой: МаксПакс да ты уху-ел... и вынес!
Maxpax the mystery Toss, trust Byun to blase a trail. If it's not reapers we'll see what's new...😅😂😅
Thank You
Om nom nom
can someone tell me why i dont see more terrans with ravens in tvp ? seems to me ravens are a bit underrated even vs zerg w lurkers .
It's too apm intensive when the main bulk of the army (usually bio) needs to be microed all the time or else get wiped out by splash damage (banes, disruptors, or seige tank volleys).
Usually you see spellcasters with easier to micro armies (lurkers and vipers, carriers and mothership, etc)
Is Mech finally viable against Brotoss??❤❤❤
Added my like
changed the title and thumbnail already
that was fast
Great match ❤
Automation keeps stealing our blue mineral jobs
so now winter blacks out on scv's too?
Great match
Long time sc and sc2 player here and lately I didnt follow up the pro scene but what are those cards and passives do players get the benefits or whats the deal with them ?
Once you reach GM, you send a photo for your personal StarCraft II bonus card to be created.
@@stoikotsenkov841 thanks for the information mate
@stoikotsenkov841 Don't mislead the guy; it's only for the top 50, not every gm. I know from experience.
Terran damage output with MMM (+ ghosts) is way too high for its staying power.
for me, pvz is the most fun to watch. especially if its hero vs dark...
Jimmy what are we? 1426 likes..
Am I crazy for thinking that a soft balance patch for Terran would be increasing the amount of health taken by Stimpack? It's the most important upgrade in the entire arsenal for Terran.
It only costs 10 health for marines 45/55 health and 20 for marauder's 125 health. They get movement speed and firing rate increase of 50%, and overall Marines can effectively stimpack 5/6 times before dying, and marauders get 7 times before dying, and much more for both with a medivac around.
Then again, maybe I'm just yelling at clouds because I don't like Terran.
You "are" yelling at clouds I am afraid.
Imo, remove emp from ghosts. Then they can’t half health the toss army in .5 seconds
"make upgrade that damages already squishy low hp units damage them even more" great take bro
You need tunneling claws for mine cloaking again?
Present!
Get in here 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
@winterstarcraft … I’ve watched over 1k of your videos and nobody has ever answered my question… is there really a producer named jimmy?
THanks for another great video. i think you forgot to beg for likes thou. what a throw
Byun is just BETTER
It's so frustrating that byun just taps out before the final fight. At least let us enjoy the fight, like Pax does, if you know you already lost...
Why say many word when little word do trick -kevin malone -winter
Terran is so freaking OP
Post mmr
Another whiner
Specifically, properly micro'd Terran bio. Most units not from the barracks really aren't that good to the point of all just being supplements to the bio, hence why mech is rarely played.
😭😭😭😭
@@joshuakim5240 siege tanks not op? mules? vikings? heck just about every terran unit is op, it's just that bio is even more op
The PvT matchup isn't a tragedy, it's a crime.