That was my question. On my feed I have video who says Clem is the best, then others claim it's dark, and some Serral, Is there a place where to see the actual ranking. It would be great if there was an Elo ranking like in chess
@@Balipersonaltrainer Its Serral, people just hyping up Clem mostly because of Serral fatigue. Literally prior to this year everyone was saying its either Maru or Serral, even though Serral was so much better. Noone brings up Maru anymore cause they can now cling to Clem. Clem had a fantastic run this year no doubt and he is the kid to watch. But its still Serral and will be for a long time. Dark is just a blast to watch, his games are chaos. Example Source: The pros almost all id Serral as the top player in SC2.. Except Dark, he declares himself the best:)
@@wmzer0mw I definitely think Clem has the potential, but not the consistency. Sure, Clem is the current world champ, and a 5-0 against Serral is always something to brag about, but just earlier this year Serral 3-0'd him at Katowice, knocked him out in the Quarter finals. Dude's been doing military service since April, could just be that he's not able to practice as much as he'd like to. Even still, Serral has 4-0'd Maru twice this year at Premier tournaments, and 3-0'd him in WTL. That's consistency. Clem just isn't there yet, but he totally could be in a couple years. Supremacy in sports is a statistical assesment, there's just not enough trending data in Clem's favor to make the call yet. As for Maru, man, I feel kinda bad for him. I feel like he is always the bridesmaid, never the bride. Katowice 2023 was his to lose; he was on fire the preceeding 12 months, and with Serral, Dark, Reynor, and Clem all down for the count, he seemed a shoe-in. Then along comes Oliveira, on that fateful, once-in-a-lifetime day, to take the crown off his head, in what was Maru's best statistical matchup at the time. And of course, he goes to the finals the year after in 2024, and has a heart-breaking landslide loss against Serral. It's weird to feel bad for someone who is the disputed king of GSL, but I still do a little, y'know? ONE world championship doesn't seem like too much to ask for the best Terran player in Korea. Both Dark and Byun have worn that hat once each.
@@MrGeorgeFlorcus Ya agreed. Tho honestly, Maru was never on par with Serral. Always a tier below. It really has just been players tired of seeing Z in the finals. But thats the problem when the player is Serral. Its the Flash situation all over again.
I am sad that the Lord of the Lings video had to get its title changed. I was looking forward to the next hit series the Lings of Power. A show where we humanize the Terrans by showing that they do indeed have families.
I 100% agree that Dark only tapped out of that game, because of the out of game circumstances. If he's at home, he prolly plays that out, and likely wins.
39:10 it's happened. Winter enjoyed a game enough that Brenda has become sentient. Y'all freaking out about AI - guys, Brenda and Lucille are coming for us. It's happening. Run. And someone call Clem. He'll know what to do. Inb4 Susan comes creeping by later.
Dark's Butler (Because he definitely has one): Sir, your evening meal is ready to be served at your leisure, when do you expect to be done with this next match? Dark: Depends. Who am I fighting? Butler: I believe your opponent is a Terran, sir. Dark: Is it Byun? Butler: No, sir, I believe your match with Byun is scheduled for later this evening. Dark: Clem? Butler: Not in Korea currently, sir. Dark: Cure? Butler: Not this time sir. Dark; Maru? Butler: No, sir. Dark: Give me 20 minutes, I'll be ready.
wait a minute, that means Dark lives nearby a PC café ? if i was the owner i would see this as a MAJOR business opportunity. Renaming the cafe "Dark Shrine", with a scene where you can watch Dark training and playing the official online tournaments. Just associate with him. I mean, he surrely seeking for opportunities for his retirement. (And I would certainly buy fly tickets to Korea lol)
The mixed nydus is zergs best strategy. When you bring queens and creep with zerg early army to their base, and you can instantly get reinforcements its almost checkmate.
Agreed. I don't get why sometimes zergs choose to do this and sometimes they just select all army and a-click to the enemy front lines. When Terran reaches ghost tank, their unit composition is SO heavy in supply cost. There's no way they can defend multiple nydus locations and their forward expansions at the same time. It's like playing vs protoss death ball except without recall. I also wish hydras would focus medivacs more often. Tired of seeing ~15 terran bio units hold off 50+ zerg just because the zerg knows they will fly away. Medivacs get away with some of the most illegal shit in pro play I swear.
@@michaeladams3640 yes non terrans struggle with air superiority, while it's the key to Terran's gameplay. remove the medivacs, they probably loose the game. Terrans just have the best transport unit AND the best anti-air unit (vikings), AND it's possible to pump them fast with spatioport+reactor.
@@RatreoTumips-ig8lg Yeah and I'm fine with that. Every race should have its strengths. I just feel like so many times Zergs just go through the motions instead of adapting. If you keep targeting medivacs for example, Terran is going to have less gas for ghosts. Medivacs are going to heal any damage done to bio anyway. I don't understand why Zergs just a-move toward groups of bio that have medivacs. It's so frustrating to watch.
I'd wager money that every internet cafe in Dark's hometown knows him on sight and has a VIP room set aside for him. ETA: … and was probably watching the match.
imagine, they try to verify dark via voicechat after swiching setups: "yo dark what buildorder have u played in the last game?" "Whats a Buildorder? o.0" "k, its him! lets go!" xD
"Brenda, did we get it???" "Oh we got it lucile" "Hot Damn" I only watch winter, and i havent played sc2 since wings of liberty. But god the perfect mix of cringey memes and comedic timing makes me a fan. SC2 Memes are top tier.
I think Dark loses game 1 even if he plays it out. The ghosts were about to snipe a nontrivial chunk of everything he had left, which was mostly trapped outside the front. Only 400 gas in the bank. He’d be down 30-50ish army supply and making ling/hydra vs tank, PFs, and mass ghost. He basically has to go completely defensive against a composition that was about to drop him into oblivion. So I guess I can sympathize with Dark for just tapping out.
wow... byun is still doing stuff thats blowing my mind. like attacking and moving scv's out of bile fire at a gold base. it looks so easy for him.............?
Lurkers seem to be the bane of terrain. Just gotta find a way around them somehow. Maybe a balance and I don't knownof they can or not, but be they can only attack in one direction when burrowed.
even the BTS went to military service (it was a debate since their performances accounted for a 1-2% of the whole country's income lol) so i guess nobody can escape the military service there
The first game had me going "oof, nothing is going good for Dark, the game is lost" and then he just casually breaks through the center and just plops dozens of lurkers outside Byun's natural. How does he do this? Sadly he did gg kinda early, happens to the best of us.
@@l3loodR4IN 2k minerals is worthless vs late game terran, he had 400 gas, he had 4 gases working, just lost one base at the north WHILE losing all his army, what was he suposed to do? send lings into the meat grinder? Mass spines?😒
@ahuzel he has 3000 minerals and like 500 gas lmao. Byun just lost a lot in that fight too. Easily could have zero swarmed and got on top of production
I understand Dark left with GG whilst in the lead........ He was continously throwing units into siege tanks/ghosts and Byun seemed to be like IDGAF. One can only win against such 15 CC Mules terran when it comes down to the final resources of the map. Serral knows that this is the only way.
I'm not an expert and it is kind difficult to me to understand why Dark taped out the 1st game, is it just frustration ... like i mean he could have try to stay a bit longer to see if a good fight taken, maybe a nidus could have broke Byun's defense no and given him an opportunity ? At this level a small error and the game could be taken !
i think dark have clap the first game because it was taking too long and he did pay for less time, Byun could keep the game on hostage for longer than what dark have paid for, just an assomption of mine but could be a valid one
That first game I totally understand Dark. Feels so frustrating playing against Terran man. Literally unbeatable defense and units are so cost effective as well as map hacks. Also the fact that Terran can have more army supply than the Zerg. Tilting indeed.
@@Hellafast2uDude More than half his army supply was in production and he was about to lose another 20 That's terran stabilised and fortified, he isn't prepared for that
so how do I convince the algorithm I need hours of sleep not just 50 minutes... JK do love the casts but I miss long videos. Do I need to come out of retirement to get some angry coach??? luv ya bro I'll take whatever I can get.
Please never change your intro for Dark
Agreed!
When Dark Byun and Winter are involved, my day gets a whole lot better
This needs more like
I think we can all agree that the #1 title should be split into:
Micro - Clem
Macro - Serral
Tomfoolery - Dark
That was my question. On my feed I have video who says Clem is the best, then others claim it's dark, and some Serral, Is there a place where to see the actual ranking. It would be great if there was an Elo ranking like in chess
@@Balipersonaltrainer Its Serral, people just hyping up Clem mostly because of Serral fatigue. Literally prior to this year everyone was saying its either Maru or Serral, even though Serral was so much better. Noone brings up Maru anymore cause they can now cling to Clem.
Clem had a fantastic run this year no doubt and he is the kid to watch. But its still Serral and will be for a long time.
Dark is just a blast to watch, his games are chaos.
Example Source: The pros almost all id Serral as the top player in SC2..
Except Dark, he declares himself the best:)
@@wmzer0mw I definitely think Clem has the potential, but not the consistency. Sure, Clem is the current world champ, and a 5-0 against Serral is always something to brag about, but just earlier this year Serral 3-0'd him at Katowice, knocked him out in the Quarter finals. Dude's been doing military service since April, could just be that he's not able to practice as much as he'd like to. Even still, Serral has 4-0'd Maru twice this year at Premier tournaments, and 3-0'd him in WTL. That's consistency. Clem just isn't there yet, but he totally could be in a couple years. Supremacy in sports is a statistical assesment, there's just not enough trending data in Clem's favor to make the call yet.
As for Maru, man, I feel kinda bad for him. I feel like he is always the bridesmaid, never the bride. Katowice 2023 was his to lose; he was on fire the preceeding 12 months, and with Serral, Dark, Reynor, and Clem all down for the count, he seemed a shoe-in. Then along comes Oliveira, on that fateful, once-in-a-lifetime day, to take the crown off his head, in what was Maru's best statistical matchup at the time. And of course, he goes to the finals the year after in 2024, and has a heart-breaking landslide loss against Serral. It's weird to feel bad for someone who is the disputed king of GSL, but I still do a little, y'know? ONE world championship doesn't seem like too much to ask for the best Terran player in Korea. Both Dark and Byun have worn that hat once each.
There can only be one! Serral!
@@MrGeorgeFlorcus Ya agreed. Tho honestly, Maru was never on par with Serral. Always a tier below. It really has just been players tired of seeing Z in the finals. But thats the problem when the player is Serral. Its the Flash situation all over again.
I am sad that the Lord of the Lings video had to get its title changed. I was looking forward to the next hit series the Lings of Power. A show where we humanize the Terrans by showing that they do indeed have families.
Honestly he shouldve fought the copyright, that's on overreach they shouldn't be allowed to get away with
@@PJOZeus yup. Amazon is trash
Which vid’s title was changed? The one with Reynor’s massive zerg flood?
@@Rws4Life yeah, for a while, no doubt some rings of power douchebag claimed it (unjustly)
@@PJOZeusmore like rings of puker
"drugs, guns, and enablers. Hell yeah Brothers" - Winter, 2024
I 100% agree that Dark only tapped out of that game, because of the out of game circumstances. If he's at home, he prolly plays that out, and likely wins.
I love Winters throwing more Dark content out there, then everydays day-and-night-cycle
lol @ Dark playing from that internet cafe xD
39:10 it's happened. Winter enjoyed a game enough that Brenda has become sentient. Y'all freaking out about AI - guys, Brenda and Lucille are coming for us. It's happening. Run. And someone call Clem. He'll know what to do.
Inb4 Susan comes creeping by later.
Brenda going : "Shut up, Winter !" is a fourth-wall-breaker I didn't see coming. But I'm all here for it.
Dark's Butler (Because he definitely has one): Sir, your evening meal is ready to be served at your leisure, when do you expect to be done with this next match?
Dark: Depends. Who am I fighting?
Butler: I believe your opponent is a Terran, sir.
Dark: Is it Byun?
Butler: No, sir, I believe your match with Byun is scheduled for later this evening.
Dark: Clem?
Butler: Not in Korea currently, sir.
Dark: Cure?
Butler: Not this time sir.
Dark; Maru?
Butler: No, sir.
Dark: Give me 20 minutes, I'll be ready.
Big ups mang. You know we always need more Byun games nicely done sir🙏🏼
Serral may be the most technically proficient, but Dark is just the most fun to watch.
wait a minute, that means Dark lives nearby a PC café ? if i was the owner i would see this as a MAJOR business opportunity. Renaming the cafe "Dark Shrine", with a scene where you can watch Dark training and playing the official online tournaments. Just associate with him. I mean, he surrely seeking for opportunities for his retirement.
(And I would certainly buy fly tickets to Korea lol)
I love your charisma, been watching you for so many years! My day is now better because of this, thanks Winter :)
"You have no idea how many games feature Dark."
This is the best news I have heard in so long...
Dark is simultaneously tournament officials' favorite player and most dreaded player...because of how quickly he finishes games. xD
The mixed nydus is zergs best strategy. When you bring queens and creep with zerg early army to their base, and you can instantly get reinforcements its almost checkmate.
Agreed. I don't get why sometimes zergs choose to do this and sometimes they just select all army and a-click to the enemy front lines. When Terran reaches ghost tank, their unit composition is SO heavy in supply cost. There's no way they can defend multiple nydus locations and their forward expansions at the same time. It's like playing vs protoss death ball except without recall. I also wish hydras would focus medivacs more often. Tired of seeing ~15 terran bio units hold off 50+ zerg just because the zerg knows they will fly away. Medivacs get away with some of the most illegal shit in pro play I swear.
@@michaeladams3640 yes non terrans struggle with air superiority, while it's the key to Terran's gameplay. remove the medivacs, they probably loose the game. Terrans just have the best transport unit AND the best anti-air unit (vikings), AND it's possible to pump them fast with spatioport+reactor.
@@RatreoTumips-ig8lg Yeah and I'm fine with that. Every race should have its strengths. I just feel like so many times Zergs just go through the motions instead of adapting. If you keep targeting medivacs for example, Terran is going to have less gas for ghosts. Medivacs are going to heal any damage done to bio anyway. I don't understand why Zergs just a-move toward groups of bio that have medivacs. It's so frustrating to watch.
The queen humor was really good on this video for dark vs hono specifically!
Back to watching/playing SCII after a few years and Micro Jackson is the best name ever, LMAO
I will miss him, but I confess I will sleep better at night knowing Dark is out there to defend me.
why? what's going to happen? who's dying? D:
@@EagleAngelo I believe he's retiring this year.
@@nicedream1001 what why? Too old or something? How old is he? 20?
@@EagleAngelo i think military service. But i'm not sure
@@EagleAngelo Dark is 28, has a wife, a newborn child, and is going into his required military service.
I'd wager money that every internet cafe in Dark's hometown knows him on sight and has a VIP room set aside for him.
ETA: … and was probably watching the match.
WinterStarcraft, Wow, this made my day brighter! Thank you!
When Dark enters the PC cafe, they are probably like " right this way sir! " and give him the best seat in the house
A+ to the bang café for having a more stable connection than Dark.
Every day is better when its winter. Hope a game comes out soon that becomes your windfall or SC2 gets a resurgence.
The queens clapping back at winter is gold
imagine, they try to verify dark via voicechat after swiching setups:
"yo dark what buildorder have u played in the last game?"
"Whats a Buildorder? o.0"
"k, its him! lets go!"
xD
"Brenda, did we get it???" "Oh we got it lucile" "Hot Damn" I only watch winter, and i havent played sc2 since wings of liberty. But god the perfect mix of cringey memes and comedic timing makes me a fan.
SC2 Memes are top tier.
Big credits to Dark. Imagine watching from the PC cafe!
I think Dark loses game 1 even if he plays it out. The ghosts were about to snipe a nontrivial chunk of everything he had left, which was mostly trapped outside the front. Only 400 gas in the bank. He’d be down 30-50ish army supply and making ling/hydra vs tank, PFs, and mass ghost. He basically has to go completely defensive against a composition that was about to drop him into oblivion. So I guess I can sympathize with Dark for just tapping out.
wow... That first game was mind blowing... I for sure gave up on Byun and then suddenly 2 exchanges later the tides turned in a crazy way!
Dark may be the only person who wakes up at night after feeling things crawling around on him and gets excited from it...
here we see winter further fall into insanity
The screenshot and title makes it look like dark nurled an scv and built a bunker in his own base.
Wonderful commentary!
In Winter StarCraft we trust
Thank You
Om nom nom
It's nice to see that delay on the snipe ability
Came here for SC2; stayed for Brenda, Winter and Jimmy 👌
So, when Dark is 80-year-old and has an apm of close to zero, I'll be watching. You youngins and your apm.
I was playing SC in the late 90s :(
Yay just when work was getting boring another great video to distract me 👍👍
That second Dark game didn't really seem like tilt.
Seems like he wanted it to be over in 10 minutes regardless of who won
I'm starting to believe Dark is the Overmind reincarnated after it got hit by Gartinthor-kun
so glad to seeing byun start winning again
wow... byun is still doing stuff thats blowing my mind. like attacking and moving scv's out of bile fire at a gold base. it looks so easy for him.............?
Lurkers seem to be the bane of terrain. Just gotta find a way around them somehow. Maybe a balance and I don't knownof they can or not, but be they can only attack in one direction when burrowed.
I enjoy these videos more than the algorithm enjoys comments.
what a handicap for dark having to play from a cafe. what a trooper
Technically, Winter, pebbles are already small.
2025 - Year of Jimmy.
Added my like
42:35 and there’s also the traffic taxes too. Although not so important for individuals I suppose. See also twitch SK news etc.
Got that quantum internet yet don't have the wireless electricity.
I may be a Terran main, but Dark's shenaniga----err I mean strats are entertaining indeed.
Wanna bet that cafe changed its name to something like Dark Internet or Dark Bootcamp or Chmapions Cafe?
lol Dark is never going to the military haha, he dodges very well, for our pleasure as well
even the BTS went to military service (it was a debate since their performances accounted for a 1-2% of the whole country's income lol) so i guess nobody can escape the military service there
The first game had me going "oof, nothing is going good for Dark, the game is lost" and then he just casually breaks through the center and just plops dozens of lurkers outside Byun's natural. How does he do this?
Sadly he did gg kinda early, happens to the best of us.
I don't think he gg'd early; his army was about to be crushed with no bank. It did look like he was winning until the over commit there at the end.
@AmberGlade he had over 3k in bank with more bases 😂😂 what are you talking about
@@l3loodR4IN he might've had no larvae, coz winter didnt check that, but still, i think it could've been played out a bit more.
@@l3loodR4IN 2k minerals is worthless vs late game terran, he had 400 gas, he had 4 gases working, just lost one base at the north WHILE losing all his army, what was he suposed to do? send lings into the meat grinder? Mass spines?😒
@ahuzel he has 3000 minerals and like 500 gas lmao. Byun just lost a lot in that fight too. Easily could have zero swarmed and got on top of production
"Dark's filthy new Zerg CHEESE! StarCraft 2"...
I would really like a time stamp for this^...
Where is it...?
Thank you :)
Stream some wood games too, they are hilarious
Do you reckon Dark just...got bored of game 1? It kind of felt like he just got bored with it. Like 'nah man, can't be fucked, let's re-roll'.
It's like he took the cheese, stuck it in doo doo and smeared it all over their face.
Dark is so fun to watch!
Byun defending his expo with 1 unit vs harass vs dark with most of his army…
Hoping by 2030, SC3 will be out so Winter's videos can get more than 2000ish likes lol.
First game was wild
Game 1 Dark had to go to the bathroom real bad.
I always enjoying the bickering between Brenda, Susan, Karen and maybe Sharon?
I feel like the first game Dark quit cause of how bad his gas situation was at the end but Im no pro if anyone else has thoughts
Indra gg moment here :(
Let’s go Dark! Nerf Terran!
Boo! Doom! Gloom!
dark more like bark
on god
Cheese my a55. But I forgive you cause your commentary is the best ❤
In the bottom right corner we have the man who will beg you for likes and subscribes, Winter.
I understand Dark left with GG whilst in the lead........ He was continously throwing units into siege tanks/ghosts and Byun seemed to be like IDGAF. One can only win against such 15 CC Mules terran when it comes down to the final resources of the map. Serral knows that this is the only way.
Brenda is back. Hehe
It's day 48, a gr8 time for some b8 to r8 8/8
Where is our announcement of our Brenda t-shirts?
"Get off my CREEP!!"
Teal Terran, you say?
Whats the cheese build though?
I think those GGs were too early
First game was for the dark
I'm not an expert and it is kind difficult to me to understand why Dark taped out the 1st game, is it just frustration ... like i mean he could have try to stay a bit longer to see if a good fight taken, maybe a nidus could have broke Byun's defense no and given him an opportunity ? At this level a small error and the game could be taken !
Zerg way too overpowered this patch. Looking forward to the upcoming nerf
GG
on my cards there somethinglike cruisers warpscooldown twice faster
nice
Why don't you use higher graphics settings?
i think dark have clap the first game because it was taking too long and he did pay for less time, Byun could keep the game on hostage for longer than what dark have paid for, just an assomption of mine but could be a valid one
PC cafe?, thats so 1990s...
A bunch of dudes with drugs guns and enablers... 😂😂😂😂
Still waiting to see Jimmy
That first game I totally understand Dark. Feels so frustrating playing against Terran man. Literally unbeatable defense and units are so cost effective as well as map hacks. Also the fact that Terran can have more army supply than the Zerg. Tilting indeed.
We both know if Dark played till the end he would win - terran has no resources.
Golden resources thus is my last resort
@@Hellafast2uDude More than half his army supply was in production and he was about to lose another 20
That's terran stabilised and fortified, he isn't prepared for that
He had no gas bank that's why he tapped out.
Anyone who says a race has "literally unbeatable defense" should not be listened to lol.
Why SC2 still keep limit at 200? Any bro please tell me!!!
Not enought fps on the coffee.
I, like many folks here are Dark fanboys. However, are people at Korea also fanboying Dark as much as we do?
so how do I convince the algorithm I need hours of sleep not just 50 minutes... JK do love the casts but I miss long videos. Do I need to come out of retirement to get some angry coach??? luv ya bro I'll take whatever I can get.
Finally!!!
.. can exceed upgrades +3, to +4