How does a 30 gram Whoop Fly? // NewBeeDrone
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
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Also noteworthy the on board ELRS receiver does not have a target to flash in the ExpressLRS configuration application at this time.
I think it's worth noting that NBD does a weird proprietary betaflight thing. You can't just fire up betaflight and flash the newest and greatest target, you have to wait for NBD to release their special hex for the board. This also removes the option of running Quicksilver and feels a bit disrespectful to the Betaflight devs.
Also for bad support stories with NBD. I ordered a combo for BRUSHLESS plaid motors and props, and received a set of BRUSHED plaid motors and the correct size props. It took nbd 7 business days to respond to my first email, they said I had to pay to ship the $10 brushed motors back to them, then when I offered to just buy the brushed motors instead it took them another 4 days to respond to me. Compared to Racedayquads who sent me a refund for a doa product and didn't request the product to be shipped back, but just the dead FC so I could use the rest of it in a diy build.
NBD whoop motors are also super heavy compared to Happymodel/tinywhoop motors, and are less efficient.
I won't buy nbd any more, they don''t seem to want to compete with the modern whoop world. A mobeetle6 is 19~ grams dry and costs less than this BLV4, seems like a no brainer to me.
Their weird proprietary Betaflight thing, much like this, is one of several reasons I don’t buy from NBD anymore. It’s just not worth it when more sane options exist.
@@IanGage During the brushed whoop era. I bought one of their Humingbird which flies great in Acro but sucks in angle mode. It dives down when manuevering.
Other than business aspect, I can't put myself to accept why the sell product that was not fix properly.
They have elrs firmware target on product page now
I mean what do you expect when they just dye the happy model frames and claim it themselves
This was a hefty one! I really love the spirit of NBD, I just want to love their products more. Everything is so heavy 😞. Great review, Nick. Always enjoyable!
HEAVY ON THE WEIGHT, HEAVY on the proprietary plugs, and HEAVY ON CA$H! 🥴👎
@@KOrnhOliO1 also proprietary betaflight builds. Can't update until nbd releases a new hex on their website. This also means no Quicksilver compatibility
@@IanGage I originally flew the 🥑 firmware because I HAD TO…
I actually have multiple boards where the gyro misbehaves in Betaflight and it’s not usable, at all… either the gyro is moving continuously, when the board is stationary, or the opposite, gyro doesn’t move at all…
As soon as I put Silverware, everything works 🤷♂️ I never understood this… defective boards work on Silverware for some reason!!!
I am so glad I ran into these issues, as Silverware is absolutely amazing to fly. If you haven’t flown it… you are doing yourself a disservice.
It is so good!!!
For micros and whoops, it is the best…. And even for 5” it flys so good!
It is so easy to set up, and has interesting features I absolutely love, like auto flip over and auto throttle down arm after flipping arm switch, and super easy tuning through OSD.
I was tuning a quad in 10 minutes and that was when I was new, now I can do a 90% tune in 3 minutes, R, P, Y and P, I, and D grid in the OSD is so well organized, it’s a pleasure to use.
If you haven’t tried it… what are you waiting for!!! They even have an online configurator like esc-configurator…
BossHobby
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QUICKSILVER
Do it! Do it now!!!
Happy flying!
@@IanGage Damn! Thanks for the info!
just like almost every USA products like cars etc. 🤔 maybe "heavy" is the one of the main aspects of US design fundementals, principles 😂
I'm still repping the Mosquito XL 2s and I absolutely love it! Even in light winds you can't go wrong with a 2s Newbeedrone. Great company. Thanks Nick!
How is it was trying to get a opinion on it flight time batt used , props speed let me know please
@@anthonycadejr3995 Not sure about speed but i gurantee its enoughto satisfy your needs trust me. I have 2 acres of land and when hard on the sticks that 2 acres becomes to small haha. battery life is 6-6.5 minutes with light to medium freestyle using GNB 300 2s OR NBD 300 2s Nitro Nectors. Make sure you buy GNB adapter wires so you're able to charge the batteries cause they don't make a balance charger for gnb adapter 2s batteries. You're gonna have to saulder your own gnb adapters. BUT, it's so worth it. Better performance. Also, I highly recommend buying 2512 Gemfan propellars. Makes hell of a difference. Thing rips man. So much focus on the Acrobee but I personally like the toothpick style quads. Each their own
Just bought the 25000KV motors for my BLV4. Makes them more snappy. I have to say this is my favorite indoor flyer.
So...they made it heavier AND less powerful but also with the worst possible battery connector AND it's almost twice as expensive as other whoops?? Shut up and take my money! 😆
Thanks for the honest review, as always.
Awsome video, I got the mobula 7 for Christmas so much fun! Starting to see why you love small woops!
Such a better buy too! NBD great is always so expensive... Not worth it! 🥴👎
The micro quads starting to get their hooks into you :)
I love the almost Nintendo Atomic Purple color of the frame, other than that it looks lack luster though.
So i bought the VLB4 board only, I used some new 802 25,000 KV and added a BT2 connector, huge difference. No issues with OSD yet, used Gemfan tri blades. Flys pretty good, using weBleed 300 BT2s. Awesome Range close to about 1/2 mile. averaging high 2 minute flight times. Great Review, BTW
Did you have all the connectors on hand or go the solder route?
@@NickBurnsFPV I used the New NBD 802 flow 25,000s with the 1.25 connectors, getting high 2 min flight times. Great Range also. Used a NBD Cockroach frame.
@@northerntierfpv8947 ah yes 25000kv will pep it up too
Nice little drone. Just a heads up the GEP-CK Frame is on clearance right now I’m going to pick one up as this has always been my optimal 2 inch frame and I’ve never built one yet. It’s one I think you would like.
ah the purple nurple ;) great flights Nick! good review man, always legend!
Thank you so much for the review! :)
They must have old stocks of ph 2.0 connectors, i can't think of another reason to be using those. 19000kv is a pretty good middle ground, most racers where I'm at run at that. Skid pads on the bottom are an interesting idea, i wonder if it'll snag on carpet less? And yeah, i love their canopies. I wish the runcam micro fit in it!
I also wonder if its due to a large stock of ph2.0 batteries.
So what connectors should we be using?
@@midwestsp3 bt 2.0 or gnb27. I switched to bt 2.0 personally. OSD reads .3 volts higher in the air, i get better performance, and at least 30 seconds more flight time. With 19000kv and 300mah packs i go 4:45 from take off to land. That's my experience anyway.
@@croeitusd5731 thanks for the fast reply!
@@midwestsp3 I do think bt2.0 is taking the lead in popularity over gnb27. We see more and more 1s batteries with bt2.0
Fantastic flying and review, Nick! 😃
But yeah, it's weird how heavy this model is!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
What camera does this drone use? Does it work with the dji goggles v2? Is it caddx Vista?
Thanks Nick! This really is a nice whoop with tons of support if you have issues and that's represented in the price. Cheers
Seems like NBD is like the Apple of drone manufacturers. They have proprietary or atypical connectors so you have to go to their stuff for replacements/upgrades or else go through a bit of a hassle to use something else. I love this BLV4, though. ExpressLRS, VTx power, the COLOR! "What kind of whoop do you want?" "I want a purple one!!" 😄
Change the canopy and it rips. You can drop 3 grams with a 3d print camera mount. Also, it sells with 2200kv motors now.
There's something up with the NBD VTXes. Your picture looks very soft and there's a pattern of horizontal bands which come and go. I had a BLV3 AIO which did the same thing, and in fact the horizontal banding got so bad on mine that I had to retire it.
One good thing about the NBD AIOs though - they engineer their VTXes to not overheat on the bench. The VTX has a heatsink, and it doesn't power up from USB.
I wonder if its the NBD specific osd chip they are using.
NBD absolutely refuses to use BT2.0. Their excuse is that "BT2.0 can be plugged in backwards." I think it's a complete BS excuse. Yeah, I'm sure you can, but it's not easy to do. And all the dumb sized plugs....And the proprietary OSD....I haven't purchased an NBD product in 2 years.
They may be a US-based company, but still manufactured in China and has the same amount of quality issues as Happymodel or BetaFpv but at double the price in some cases. I was all on the NBD hype train in 2020 but, after several Hummingbirds and BBBL's with various issues, I gave up.
I really like that's is purple and the vtx overheat protection is really nice! But I would need more power :)
What’s up with that OSD flickering? That would drive me nuts! Aaaaah new firmware fix…
Your analogue looks amazing, even with that Bee Eye camera! What’s your secret?
I don't think its a secret :) I sit centrally to the house in an open area. I also use raceband8 to fly and a rapidfire module.
avoiding NBD for now. the non-standard motor plugs are no in my game plan, otherwise, given a little better motor, I might if a flash sale came along
The motor plugs, proprietary Betaflight patches, that crappy rolled pin PH2.0 connector, and the terrible camera (at least in past generations), make NBD a no-buy for me as well. They just keep plodding along with their bad decisions.
My first whoop was a NBD brushed, which flew great, but had a pretty poor quality cam. Got a Tinyhawk 2 next and it’s cam was so incredibly good, never flew the NBD again. Gave them another shot and got the BLv2 with diversity Rx and it was just terrible all the way around. Poor range, muddy image and it causes batteries to get super hot. Will pop a HM ELRS AIO and a better cam at some point.
Thank you for the real work input.
There's a lot to love in theory about NBD but it doesn't seem to manifest into the real world. A lot of proprietary stuff, they seem to be behind on flight performance, things like putting a rolled pin connector is just a bit confusing. For a product that costs double what a mob6 does in my area you'd have to be crazy to get one.
Hope NBD can make a whoop that matches or outperforms both happymodel and betaFPV, but for now they are a long way behind.
Side note the batteries are amazing haha, but also tattu I think is exactly the same a NBD just a lot cheaper.
Cheers mate.
Let’s goooo I love NEWBEEDRONE as well aso and there 30x30 stacks always love your videos nick Mandalooooo to the moon all love my brotha and I might missed it but why your osd was flickering like that brotha
The OSD on this one is known to have a flicker issues, some have it like I do or less or even more. They "talk" I hear is NBD is working on a betaflight fix.
@@NickBurnsFPV ahhh ok still good Mandalooooo as always threw the house enjoy your flying much love bro bro 🚀💯❤️
Great review, but I love watching your rips. You da Man. Thanks and peace be with you🙂
You could crimp that connector to any motor by the looks of it, just JST micro
Or they could just use the same size connector all other micro quad manufacturers use. Saves us crimper = $29, connector and crimp ends = $15, time = priceless :)
I just can't do NBD anymore. My last one was the Hummingbird F4 v2 and it too has OSD reliability issues, also their special OSD handling washes out the video quality ever so slightly. Also I feel like a stooge because it didn't come with the addressable LEDs that the standalone v2 board comes with. If you compare the BNF's FC to the standalone FC images on the product page, you will see glaring differences.
Additionally, the Hummingbird F4 v2 came with discontinued motors that give much less flight time than their previous motors. All in all, I think they just used the platform to offload unwanted gear to make room for newer revised gear. Hence the order that they have released these latest products.
You can disable OSD in the modes menu for a cleaner better video quality. The old filter layer NBD uses is trash, so I disable it and just use ur phone for battery life times it's great. Kind of inconvenient but it saves on cpu and gets better video quality.
@@cold-frontin_penguin7902 Good suggestion, but I can't go back to the Inductrix days where I can't tell if my battery is low for unpredictable reasons. One could use the telemetry on their radio, but seriously, a functional OSD is a standard expectation these days.
I’ve never failsafed an Rx from closer range than the BS FrSky antenna “diversity” Rx on the BLV3. I’d give it away but I don’t want to ruin anyone else’s flight experience.
nice review
It seems like the upgraded quiet a bunch of things, which is nice to see
The ELRS diversity serial receiver, the higher powered Vtx and the higher amp rated ESCs are great to see :)
I think, it should have been bundled as a toothpick style quad, because the Mobula6 HD is the same-ish weight, but obviously with a HD VTx. It would be nice, if NewBeeDrone would NOT push their own plugs... And still the rolled pin PH2 connector?! Why?! NBD seems like a more premium whoop brand, so I would assume they focus on more premium experience... (Or as a business they probably still have so many connectors left and want to sell it instead of 'throwing' it in the trash)
I am not sure how they would make their way out of those connectors. I suspect there will have to be acceptable losses at some point in order to move to the market connector standards. I would think some of the losses would be offset by less expensive manufacturing using standard connectors. But that might not be, being optimistic. :)
Those might be rolled pin, but they are gold plated. Which means they *shouldnt* deteriorate like regular ph2.0 plugs. So what you lose in efficiency, you gain in reliability... I guess that's why they do that
gold plating is snake oil, everyone knows that except you. Rolled pins deform.
@@user-yk1cw8im4h My comment was an attempt to find a reason why nbd is continuing to use rolled pin. I use bt2.0, which, like virtually every other quality power and rf connector, uses golf plated pins. It's not snake oil, it's common knowlege
I’m really curious, how did you capture such clear footage? I feel like I always have more breakup even outdoors
Have you heard anything about the mosquito xl bnf glad they kept you in the loop
I have heard and seen it. Seems like its pretty popular with some. It hard to get outside flight time here right now.
Name is bigger than the actual whoop!
NewbeeDrone is local to San Diego (where I am) and they are my go to shop. They are very responsive to support issues and also give little extras in their orders that nice (stickers + candy!).
ah yes the piece of candy. Usually its candy I am not familiar with.
I love Newbeedrone whoops. They should of added the newbeedrone Dvr in it. I still like that one as well 👍🙏👍👍great review Nick
I do have two of the DVR, I haven't put them in a build yet. I have heard good things, and its super small.
@@NickBurnsFPV Yeah there are good. I just finish buying two more for a build I have coming soon and keep the other one on stand by. Try them out on one of your builds you going to like them also.
the moment when im the first watching lol :D
nice video! im searching for a whoop for my girlfriend so we can fly together inside and outside :D i think it will be the mobula7 with elrs. just need some batteries for this batterytray because i got just small 380mah and 720mah
do you prefer 2 or 3 bladed props? and why?
I’m assuming 75mm with 0802s… I prefer bi-blades especially GF1610 as they are lighter and I need the faster response and also lower drag is better for throw.
Below KV25k tri-blades are good, but once you get above that KV, and especially into the KV30k you need to use a bi-blade as the motor will burn out from the load of more blades and heavier props.
Happy flying.
I prefer 3 bladded props, they corner better. 2 blade are more responsive, but also require larger throttle movement
Honestly was thinking they were on Chinese New Year since I haven't heard anything back from support for the past 5 days. Purchased and LOVE the Acrobee75 but apparently one of my motors is bad.. Nothing from Support. Hope to figure it out soon.
maybe hit their facebook page too? I have heard that "ticket" tracking has been a struggle
Proprietary connectors for motors and camera? With rolled PH 2.0 connector? I thought Newbeedrone was smarter than that! I guess not because they also want a small fortune💰💲💵 for this tiny whoop! 20g Mobula6 or variation of that for right around $100 OR this BLV4 for $160 ??
That's an easy call! $160 for this is simply a RIP OFF! Why are NBD products always such a high priced, mediocre option?
HARD PASS! 😭😒
I have the V3. Flew the crap out of it, its not too fast so it helped me get better at flying indoors. Along the way, I've had to replace PH2.0 connector twice (I'd say its more of a "50+ packs" rather than "120+" packs before replacement), a motor that seized, had to solder a motor to the board due to stupid tiny connector failing, had to hotglue camera to canopy after breaking mounting brackets, installed ELRS receiver after shredding both useless little "proprietary" antennas that come with it ... but yea, the frame IS indestructible !
Don't see any improvements in V4 that I care about (ELRS diversity for a whoop? give me a break..) while they haven't addressed two of my biggest complaints (heavy, stupid connectors) but at least it looks like ELRS is via UART and not SPI which is nice!
you certainly have a lot of experience, and have DIY along the way.
@@NickBurnsFPV The older V3 was my only 65mm for a while there, so it got some mileage... just wish the NBD stuff was more durable, though! (maybe bad luck). I've since been flying a Mob6 HDZero a ton (now with my HDZ Goggles which I pulled the trigger on literally minutes after watching your video, thanks for that!) for me at least the Mob6 has been significantly more durable (in similar weight, size, etc "class") than NBD's AcroBee65.... maybe the V4 solves some of that (hopefully).
Thanks for all your hard work, Nick! You've convinced me to spend a lot of money over the years but it's always been well spent! 😁
@@mcarignan Did you receive your HDZero goggles?
@@NickBurnsFPV Yep, I'm up in Canada and we were part of the "international" batch of orders which shipped out on the 16th (mine shipped early on the 13th, got them on the 16th). I'm amazed at what such a small team could achieve, these things are awesome! I find it hard going back to analog for whoops despite weight disadvantage, do you still fly mostly analog indoors?
@@mcarignan Outside of flying review quads I do mainly fly analog. I suspect its around a 60/40 split for analog.
These are struggling with OSD, yours kept disappearing. Ciotti had the same issue. I believe the OSD is software (not hardware) based.
I thought NBD used a specific osd chip?
Hello! Mobula 6 or AcroBee65 BLV4?
I would go mobula6 because it has ordering motor options to go for performance or flight time.
@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks so much! I’m don’t see mobula6 anywhere. Sold everywhere.
@@KobtsevRC I see them at these shops. www.racedayquads.com/products/happymodel-bnf-mobula6-1s-whoop-spi-frsky-choose-kv?variant=40104405106801&keyword=mobula6 www.amazon.com/Happymodel-Mobula6-Brushless-Crazybee-Controller/dp/B081F82TBL?th=1 shop.makerfire.com/products/happymodel-mobula6-1s-65mm-brushless-whoop?variant=31109780340851¤cy=USD& www.banggood.com/Only-20g-Happymodel-Mobula6-65mm-Crazybee-F4-Lite-1S-Whoop-FPV-Racing-Drone-BNF-w-or-Runcam-Nano-3-Camera-p-1596918.html?gmcCountry=US¤cy=USD&cur_warehouse=CN&createTmp=1&ID=533936555608 another option is the mobula 7 which runs 40mm props. Its a little much for many inside unless they have the flight experienced and/or space.
This may sound like a newbie question but why does the OSD keeps going in and out on the display?
Its a flaw in this particular flight controller. The manufacture at the time said it was a bug in betaflight they were working to correct. I am unsure if its been fixed or if it was actually the reported bug or rather a hardware defect.
What camera is this? Do the dji goggles v2 work with it? Is it caddx Vista?
The camera is not listed individually. Its an analog camera. The v2 goggles would require an analog module and adapter to use this video system (analog)
Great to see you back in my feed, Nick!
Unpopular opinion, incoming...
I love NBD as a company and I love their accessories, but after many years of disappointing results with their electronics and many second chances that left me asking myself why I thought it would be different this time, I’m done with anything that uses their PCBs. I know they’re considered premium (and they weigh a lot to give that premium feel), but I’ve just had nothing but bad luck with them. Also, I really disprove of the way they interact with the open source community. This recent ELRS situation is the most recent example, but they have a similar history with Betaflight and Silverware (as far as I know their NFE-based source code used on the original brushed Hummingbird was never made public). I get that they don't want to release the code for their proprietary components (e.g. BeeSign OSD), but if they don't want anyone to see it, I feel like they shouldn't be using open source base code. I'm not read up on the details and maybe they have found loopholes or something, and I'm far from being a GPL expert, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn about violations in some of NBDs implementations of (modified) open-source projects.
To their credit, I’ve never met anyone who had anything but good things to say about AcroWeebu - he’s a dramatic improvement in their customer service department and has gone way above and beyond on several occasions for me. Super solid dude determined to make customers whole. I love the company’s presence and activism within the community. I love that they’re lowering barriers to entry for beginners, for whom their products are probably more than adequate (I still frequently recommend them when people ask).
And I really did try to like their electronics - way more with them than any other company - but ultimately I just had to stop spending premium money on products that, even when not technically defective, invariably had worse performance and more compatibility issues than their cheaper competitors.
Regardless, thanks for all you do!
I don't know if that opinion is unpopular or not, but I have ready a number of comments and postings of very similar thoughts and experiences.
I'm right there with you. I've supported NBD since they released their first Inductrix board, but it seems like they lost their ability to listen to their customers...
When I heard smart max i thought for a second it had dynamic power. Does anyone do this? Like dynamic power on my elrs where it turns up the power as needed.
The smart max is mostly thermal control. As the vtx heats up it will reduce mw output to keep the vtx within thermal limits and thus not burn out like others can do if they are powered on and not cooled with a small fan or via flight.
Can I use an analog adapter with my dji goggles I have the tx16 elrs radio
I believe the bdi adapter works for analog video on the goggles v1 & v2. Not sure about the new dji goggles 2 and their video in capabilities. I have only had mine two weeks and haven't explored the video in.
What replacement props are there ?
Many, hq, gemfan and others make 31mm props for this quad.
PH2.0 connector? I can't agree with this
They're slow to integrate tested tech is one of the main reasons I don't buy NBD anymore, plus once you fly a sub 20g whoop everything else feels like rubbish
Same weight as a HDzero whoop?
yes pretty much
I used to love NBD, but... their uFL soldering jobs are terrible. I have a board with the uFL popped off. It's not like I change antennas often... But. Yeah. There's no in you-know-where I can solder those back on so I have 2 dead boards.
replacing ufl is easy, just cut out all the plastics desolder the legs and solder on a new one
hi nick . I have a prop question. Mobula7 with 1.5 mm shaft having a very difficult time both removing and installing props.any suggestions?
thank you
BETAFPV TINY WHOOP PROP REMOVAL TOOL.
I can’t speak for Nick but I often times ream the prop hole with a 1.5mm drill bit in order to get the prop on and off easier. Problem is there is a significant variation in shaft diameter from one motor manufacturer to the next.
It is rough on the finger tips. I generally only change props when I have lost a blade or at least a portion of the prop causing flight issues. I still do it the old manual way. Pinch the prop hub with one hand, pinch the motor bell with the other. Twist back and forth and pull at the same time.
Look on the US retailers websites - I don’t remember who makes it but someone sells a t-mount prop removal tool that’s pretty slick
Ah yes @aber is correct I did find this pyrodrone.com/products/gemfan-prop-locket-t-mount-propeller-removal-wrench-for-fpv-rc-racing-drone
Wow thats crazy they went with the rolled PH2. Practically everyone went away with those because they are garbage
The osd was questionable same as ciotti
I hope that gets resolved very soon.
Why does your osd drop out? Elrs backpack?
Nope know issue with this osd chip/AIO and the firmware it currently has
@@NickBurnsFPV I see
Watched Infinity Loops reviewing and modding this one. It seems Everything Happymodel stuffed into a Metor65 or Fractal65 frame is hard to beat performance wise. As a gamer, a slightly heaver and even down a little on power (19,000kv vs 26,000kv for example) unit like this might be easier to control, like the car that's average on everything was my go to. Non spi ELRS onboard and the ability to go beyond 1s for the FC is nice. Upgrads when bored with it? Looks like you can still rip with it, just no plaid. Thanks for the vid, cheers!
yes, we can pep it up with higher kv motors. And the non spi elrs is also the right move. I hope one day they move from ph2.0 and the small component connectors.
it's noticeably louder?
louder than? other whoops in the 65mm format?
@@NickBurnsFPV yessir. seemed to be, in the footage.
@@rogueFactor hmm. Not terribly louder than others, if at all. I have run these props a number of different whoops. I think the gemfan props are louder than the azi.
what comes inside the box of the NewBeeDrone AcroBee65 BLV4? Does it come with a controller, battery, and FPV goggles? or just the drone.
Just the drone
Is this a reliable fc on 2s? 0:)
I have 1 report of it working on 2s, but I have not tried 2s on it.
@@NickBurnsFPVI thus will stick to the x12 for now. Thank you very much!
it flies awful, tbh
FIRST!