The most successful ever model: Authoritarian government, capitalist market economy, and making illusion that the government is doing socialism so people won’t complain
Do you know why there are so many financiers and businessmen in China who are unhappy with the Chinese political system? Because the Chinese government has been taking care of the proletariat, lifting more people out of poverty and bringing more people into the middle class, all the policies are in touch with the interests of the rich. Of course, the Chinese government doesn't say it wants to rob the rich for no reason, just to make policies that are in the interest of the majority of its citizens
@@panama2468 Prc isn't communist (classless, stateless society) nor is it socialist (workers own the means of production). as op said. we have capitalism with strong authoritarian government. sorry to burst your bubble
@@YuenXii I realize you need to have purist outlook in order to pretend you're self righteous. China is communist. Just bc they don't have all pieces of a certain ideology or system, doesn't invalidate what they are. So, as op said, he is wrong. And if you truly believe that, then you don't know anything about the Chinese system
Zizek is so correct about the irony of our social credit fears. We Westerners already live in one of the most, if not the most, credentialized societies in history - you need credentials to drive, to get insurance, to fly a plane, to get any number of jobs (for which you need credentials to get the degrees needed to get the job) or promotions, to access certain information or secrets, to keep custody of your kids, to get a loan, to get a credit card, to busk, to serve or buy booze, to be considered a citizen, to hold basically any political office, to join unions or guilds, to give expert testimony in court, to build a house, to start a business, to receive certain tax credits, to access welfare or employment insurance, to vote (in some countries), and on and on and on.
@@EduardoMartinez-fk2pv Because your government doesn't care, authoritarian governments need speech control. And your government has more efficient speech control and brainwashing means without letting you know that you are being controlled by speech. We all live in a huge Ponzi scheme
@@lucasmoreirasantos8377 not necessarily a debate. Just a chat. They are both realistic to how the world works and it's direction. For an example, they have both praised China in their economic prosperity. And they both are straight to the point speakers.
@@strongfp this though. this is why i've hard time with peoples generalising capitalist/billionaires/republicans as stupid. of course a lot are. but there's people like charlie. who are very realistic. and call his 'peers' out on their bs when they criticise china and other socialist practices. i also hope to be as bright as he still is at 97 lol
Every time I listen to videos such as this, in which interesting and intelligent arguments are brought forward and discussed, I start thinking that, after all, humanity has a chance of solving its issues and that productive discourse is possible. Then I scroll down to the comment section and all I see is tribalism, ad hominem attacks, slogans and playground insults, and I remember that most people are idiots who think they and only they hold some truth. Which ever side of which ever debate you are on and which ever group you think you belong to, do humanity a favour: grow up and start REALLY thinking about why you believe what you believe. If you cannot rationally articulate what you know to be true then maybe you don't know it to be true, you just want it to be true, which is not the same thing.
Well said! I have a small channel where I fact-check and correct misconceptions and misinformation that are being put forth by "finance influencers" here on UA-cam, particularly regarding things like meme stocks. It's remarkable to witness the degree to which the meme stock community of investors have embraced confirmation bias and Dunning-Kruger. These are mostly new, relatively uninformed market participants on which capitalism reflects a desperate, yet narcissistic hopelessness, a willingness to double down again and again and again; to believe what they _want_ to be true, never questioning anything, not even their own preconceptions, unaware of any and all counterarguments - living in a fantasy world. I don't claim to have all the answers, quite the contrary: I have all the questions! Anyway, I appreciate your comment; thank you!
@@ScottAllenFinance Will check your channel out! I'm not trying to appeal to authority but im curious to know if you studied econ/finance related fields too😁?
@@ezequielgerstelbodoha9492 agree. No such a platform for people who want to discuss these things. On website like this, or twitter, or something else, many people just swear to each other...
According to the CPC's interpretation of Marx, communism can only arrive as a consequence of capitalism, there are no shortcuts. It's a final stage of an historical process that has to be undertaken by every country. When the CPC came into power, China was still a feudal country. First they though they could jump straight into Socialism, but failed miserably. Ultimately they learned that a capitalist system had to be created first, and let it run to it's inevitable contradictions. Only then they can start to transform the system into its final stage. This process is what they call "Socialism with Chinese characteristics".
??? They weren't a feudal state. They took over after a civil war with the weakened Republic of China government. Also they didn't have this type of plan. They starved the nation to levels of extreme poverty and Deng knew there was no choice but to open up to Western investment. Now they are just a capitalist Authoritarian nation
@@InfiniteFilmsBLP they starved due to the blessings of western boycott like Iran,Cuba, Venezuela & more& more .why forget to remind? Has something poured into the pocket?
@@InfiniteFilmsBLP Culturally they were feudalistic. I know this as an asian myself. I'm from Indonesia, and our kingdoms were destroyed by colonialism. But even after that, during colonialism, we had this weird combination of "feudalistic society but with capitalistic economy." Some of our heroes wrote that they were shocked when they arrived in europe and found the society was very equal. The europeans were generally nice and respect human right. But when they went to asia and worked here, suddenly they left their "equality, liberry, and fraternity" principles. Suddenly they love to act like an absolute monarch toward the natives. That's also the reason why many ex colonised country become such horrible human right abusre. Because we were conditioned to accept this kind of system for more than 100 years.
@@InfiniteFilmsBLP but the POC was not really a modern or western country before 1949. The initial revolution (Xin Hai) did not overturn the “landlord class” it merely took down the Qing government. POC merely replaced Qing without a profound revolution for the land and feudal culture particularly in rural areas，but at that time， Chinese people were vastly farm workers.
@@InfiniteFilmsBLP "Feudal" might be a misleading term, because European feudalism had a lot of intricacies that weren't present in China. But the societal dynamics were similar. A small group of elites (the de facto aristocracy) ruling over swaths of land where the majority of people worked in agriculture. China under Mao was already a lot richer than what preceded him, and he laid the foundation for the modern Chinese state. Reforming a system that is 300 years out of date doesn't come with its difficulties of course, but to say that he deliberately starved the nation is just blatantly ignorant.
The funny thing about "economically capitalist but politically authoritarian" is that is sounds different but it's not. When was the last time your boss asked you what the company should do?
Agree with you Capitalism concentrates money and capital, and money means power. Power can acquire knowledge and ultimately monopolize higher education, which will further lead to monopolistic power. Capitalism itself is a kind of dictatorship. The difference between American democracy and Chinese dictatorship is only the means to obtain power. Socialism without democracy is pseudo socialism, and democracy without socialism is pseudo democracy. People just pretend to have one of them, but in reality, they have nothing
Sometimes they are uploaded from his lectures at his university (recently), and sometimes being uploaded from several years ago. Zizek can be hard to catch due to erratic scheduling or just being Zizek. With respect.
@@rumhound5903 Zizek is great because he's an academic but learns from real people. Europe is Kaput with Yannis and Assange from the Ecuadorian Embassy before they broke him is brilliant
Look at Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan. Their economy all took off with an authoritarian government plus combination of state-dominated plans and liberal capitalism. Scholars call it the East-Asia model so it's not a myth at all.
@@axelhopfinger533 Empires in history have been doing this repeatedly. So a state-dominated economy isn't something new. East-Asia model is much better than western countries' colonial model through conquest, genocide and warfare.
@@axelhopfinger533 Let's just pretend the Nazis policies didn't lead to Germany being destroyed, and that Germany is only successful today because of huge aid from america and the USSR. If America and the USSR had treated Germany as Germany deserved, there would be no Germans today. The USSR and America showed mercy. When you have to rely on the mercy of an enemy, your system is not all that effective.
It's sad that Zizek approaches economies with a purely developmentalist perspective, not taking the position in the global market to consideration. The world-system approach is necessary when explaining China's rise.
Lee Kuan Yew was not the first to invent authoritatian capitalism. He is the first to implement it successfully in modern time. China has always been a monarchy aka authoritarian, assisted by scholars aka bureaucracy, with an economy that is capitalistic in nature. Bank notes and paper money is also the first to be invented in China. It is always hillarious how Westerners always simplify Chinese civilization and chinese systems, and they have to rationalize it with their western liberal democracy mindset, they just can't accept it is for what it is.
I just hope sociology can develop and evolve like science is, there is no "end of history" crap, we will always come up with better ideas and find better solutions to run our society. politics is special in that "power begets power", so the core issue is how to guarantee that "the power" can change when it needs to, either from inside or from the outside.
It's already develop toward science since the application of statistic measure a variable and predict a social actor. But if you're insist to make sociology into a hard and exact science like any natural science, forget it! It's deeply root in human nature not natural law. That's why we got a methology like Berger's social constructionism, critical theory, phenomenology, discourse analysis, etc. It's rely on human interpretation rather than simply a stats about current demographic and the like.
I agree with you that sociology needs to evolve. We are entering a phase in our history that information tech and virtual reality is booming, along with other scientific developments. It is very possible that future better society forms are there in the distance, waiting for us to find. It won't be easy though. But give it 50 years, with tech like AI and quantum computation, we might be able to understand a bit more about human nature and social behavior, with that, plus the development of other info tech, we might be able to build a society which is fundamentally running on live sharing of info, numbers, and knowledge. That could mean something very different.
Yes, our society needs constant updates. Liberals always say that the prosperity of capitalism is a natural result and should not be interfered with artificially, but they are always designing this Ponzi scheme to lure more people into this exploitation system "voluntarily"
More like economic corporatism (not the same as free market capitalism, rather the mixed model with socialistic elements) and political communism seem more like an accurate description of China.
I've been an Al Qaeda supporter to a communist and than libertarian. Reality is that this whole left and right is a fraud (specially in case of USA).... We should be unbiased and open enough to accept the strength and weaknesses of both sides and use it for the betterment of our country and our people. As the great Deng Xiaoping said "No matter if it is a white cat or a black cat; as long as it can catch mice, it is a good cat."
@@Tyler_W I don't think you know what corporatism is my friend. Corporatism is when the people are organized into guilds or syndicates, where both employers and employees come together to collectively manage the economy, with the state acting as a mediator. It's essentially guild socialism, but with a strong state involved. I would know because this is what I advocate for. You were somewhat correct since corporatism does operate as a mixed economy with some economic freedom, economic planning, and nationalization of some industry. But you can't forget how the economy is organized in corporatism. And this isn't what China does. It's simply state capitalism, and like you said, mixed with political communism. I think it's very similar to what Lenin did in 1920s USSR with his NEP. And I'm pretty sure Lenin is the one that coined the term state capitalism. I'm assuming China's rationale behind this system is to get closer to developing socialism. Since Marx said that in order for socialism to be implemented successfully, it needs to occur in a highly developed capitalist economy that has a really high productive capacity. Which is why communism is China had such a rough start, because they were still an agrarian country. And the USSR was rough in the 1930s because Stalin tried to turn it into a command economy way too fast. Instead of waiting until the USSR was fully industrialized under state capitalism.
Wrong, China re-examined the early success of Lenin NEP economic policies. They realized that state capitalism must happen before transitioning towards socialism. China is and will always be a socialist state.
@@zurinarctus1329 For your last sentence, it is true only if the leading force of CCP can and really want to stick to their original communist purpose, rather than to collude and mimic the old oligarchical political families.
So true. They are very pragmatic people. People have food, jobs and hospitals but psychology, spirituality, individuality, life meaning are unnecessary.
@pepe roni Their system is officially called "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics". It's basically capitalism with socialist and authoritarian characteristics. It takes inspiration from how China was governed in its history.
@pepe roni And? What has the system got to do with the name. Is America called "Capitalist Democracy"? No, it's their system. wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_characteristics
@pepe roni What a very strange thing to argue about. Socialism is in the name of the system. Whats so hard to understand? The fact that you asked the question in the first place implied you were confused. Was it meant to be rhetorical? Whats the point in your first question then? We all know the official name of China is the PRC.
That's basically supposed to absorb the excess of money as part of the reaction to the 2008 crisis, which never really ended. You have to analyze economy in the global context. No country today, not even North Korea, is independent from global economy.
@@eyaswoo1483 There are a number of major risks on Chinese's real estate though, just look on how many Chinese's middle and upper classes (on financial level) invests a lot on buying little properties on Western and 3rd world countries (not necessarily needed on State Government deals on multilateral parts, as it's separated from deals of Joint projects akin to building rails, ports with unwarranted ownership as interests), alongside of recent acquisition of shares of Western companies (but this one by the bigger fishes akin to Tencent or holding a portion of shares to Disney) to ensure more stable equity This is why not many foreign companies and foreign citizens would dare to buy lands in China but wants to sell products and services in China, but Chinese citizens gets the incentives to rather buy properties in Australia, certain major USA's states like California or various SEAsian countries instead for a more guarantee returns instead of State government's meddling prices or turning it into barely sustainable empty apartments for aforementioned rising incomes of middle class and upper classes in China, but it's still better and more realistic prospects than North Korea's own methods of money-laundering and very late foreign investments (which has much more involvement of State-mandated rules and absurdly lack of freedom, well at least they're not prone to liberal values for as ridiculous as it's sounds)
even people like zizek believe there is a "social credit score"... and he thinks that is the reason for some people not being able to buy train tickets... Okay okay
@@jhonnatanwalyston6645 mainly wrong. People will laugh at you in china if you ask such dumb things. Unfortunately thanks to western media nowadays there's many dumb people around the world.
how does it work then? I've been told that it can mean anything depending on what firm is evaluating what, from your financial stability to how long you play video games to your criminal record, etc.
@@iannordin5250 I believe those so-called "social credit" are more likely to be credits stored by banks/private corps to evaluate how much loan should they provide you. For gov, they did keep a document upon individuals though, which contains crime history, background or smth like that, but they're not social creidt described in those reddit/4chan/youtube post/vid, right?
I don’t think even within his own logic he is right,but looking outside in he fails to recognize that defeat is sometimes preferable to a vapid and empty victory,or the cost that the success brought with it, in the forms of life loss,despair and true oppression and repression which I am sure he sees as a positive cause he thinks people don’t know how to decide for themselves.Which unfortunately is and has been true
The concept we're looking for is called "ownership " it's this from we need to grow to accessibilty .I think it's natural process most likely taking thousands of years
graudually i can understand his accent now.... im one of zizek's chinese fan and unfortunately i cannot watch this vedio in china which means i cant have the subs= =, i need to improve my english more...
Ancient Chinese Thought, Modern Chinese Power Yan Xuetong - 2013 Book - Published by: Princeton University Press "The rise of China could be the most important political development of the twenty-first century. What will China look like in the future? What should it look like? And what will China's rise mean for the rest of world? This book, written by China's most influential foreign policy thinker, sets out a vision for the coming decades from China's point of view." muse.jhu.edu
'Chinese civilization began along the Yellow River in the Shang era, and spread from there when Bronze Age culture reached its peak. Then, traditional Chinese philosophies, such as Confucianism and Daoism, developed in the feudal Zhou era as China expanded in territory and population.' google search engine
The "patriotic standard" thing in China is actually measuring people's credit, aka, their timely repayment of legal debts. Honestly speaking, I am more scared of the idea that 30 million Chinese people go default on debts lol.
It short I believe he is basically saying what dirty Commie have known for years. Capitalism is about wealth nothing else. It isn't about Free Trade, Innovation, and Competition. It all about the guapo. You make the guapo how you made the guapo doesn't matter.
@@undeadblizzard Mr. Zizek is well clearly well informed, this so-called new model of free participation on the world market with a despotic regime at home is nothing new to China, feudal Chinese dynasties were all ruled in this fashion, especially Tang/Song dynasties, and they were quite successful in trading and generating unimaginable wealth for the ruling elites! But the livelihood of ordinary people were hardly improved, and thats why they were all toppled by peasant uprisings or foreign invasions. What CPC has done differently this time around is that they let considerable number of Chinese people become the so-called middle-class with living standards improvement unimaginable for thousands of years, and the CPC establishes its legitimacy to rule over that.
@@zichen5223 True they learnt from Russia. Russia big problem was a lack of luxuries goods. If you give the people an Xbox it is easier to control them. I am not saying luxury goods aren't important. I am saying just because you have the latest IPOD doesn't make you free. Also something about Capitalism leading to Authoritarianism because it really about Power.
After reading some of the highly qualified comments and some of the utter fools I am discouraged to say anything about Master Z's stance and suggestions 😕 ✊🤠🔨
My following problems with a social credit score are 1) the authorities are always right - dissent is always being punished, doesn't matter if their views are correct or justifiable. 2) people will fall through the cracks, the system is not perfect, leading to more injustice. 3) people are not free to express their thoughts or beliefs in fear of being punished. 4) people will go out of their way to boost their credit score however possible. 5) even though the intention behind the social credit score might be righteous, it can easily be abused or fall in the wrong hands.
I think he simplify China a bit too much, why not inviting Zhang Wei Wei to debate him. They are always talking about China without Chinese, quite funny to be honest.😂
I agree with him completely ... But China did not make it's wealth by stealing from others (colonialism/imperialism!) ... Even during this pandemic they reduced poverty ...
😂😂😂 No not at all stealing like the others.. China is the number one stealer of intellectual property including buying up western companies and then pluck them completely (= destroying whole industries, e.g. Solar). How can you just ignore that fact, seriously?
On personal or national level, to become economically successful, we either exploit others or ourselves. And us East Asians love to exploit ourselves and our own people. From tigger mom to death due to over working, we are stealing from our own happiness.
@@schweizer93 Everyone steals intellectual property, it's the basic human behavior. Since i was kid i noticed there's always someone to steal your idea and tell it's his. So what's your point ?
China is in no way not imperialist. They are creating debt traps in africa allowing them to take hold over parts of the region similarly to what the US did.
With all due respect to zizek for his analysis of western societies, i dont think he really understands what kind of country/state China really is. But im not blaming Zizek, actually almost none western scholar has a deep understanding of China and ironically, that is true for many chinese people too. The framework of China's political system has been formed since 2 thousand years ago. Therefore historical perspective is definitely a must for undertsanding China's political economy system. Prof Zheng Yongnian's Market in State is a good read
@小熊维尼 Mao Ze Dong's projects was mostly failures which the subsequent leaders of CCP learnt to avoid, the only good thing Mao does is to give template of single party, but not it's specifics If anything, Deng Xiaoping makes the system somewhat functional, but at the cost of principles, at least the past Mao-era China were purely hostile against Israel in comparison to CCP since the 80s and began to be centrist with face changing between right wing and left wing when it's convenient
I think that after eliminating all the cultural factors, ordinary chinese life like is just like ordinary american life without involvement of politics.
When was the last time China conquered a nation? Compare it to how many times the US intervened in foreign affairs via military intervention. The only time China will invade is probably Taiwan and that's a big if because China is fine with the status quo as long as Taiwan doesn't cozy up to the US.
China did not develop in isolation. Without exports where would China be? And where have the exports been going to all these decades? First and foremost, she needed a massive, greedy capitalist establishment (the USA) to lay the foundation and path for massive transfer of productive capacity and investment. The USA is a first in history in terms of her size and development. The British Empire could not and did not do for China what the US did in just a few decades. By herself, in isolation, China would might have achieved some development, perhaps significantly so. Still, she would have been far from (far behind) where she is today. Today, China exports to others as well, esp the EU. But, the EU would not have come into existence without the US-established World Order and US-provided security. Left to their own devices, the Europeans would have likely been in-fighting (remember WWI and WWII?) instead of building a massive economic block. Instead, the US carried the brunt of the defense burden while the French and Germans (and until recently the British) concentrated on economic growth. And whatever benefit they received from and gave to the Chinese, would still be largely due to the globalization made possible by the US... The EU did not open up China, the US did.
every country or nation that grow big depends on others. thats nothing new. chinas rising was heavily supported by europe and USA. deciding which side contributed most is possible but does it really matter?
@@BuGGyBoBerl it does if one wants to understand the causes/drivers of success or failure so one can repeat/maintain the success or avoid/reverse the failure. No system is a perfect meritocracy but merit has dramatically varying degree of influence on the outcome depending on where, when and to whom one is born. Xi Jinping is the first leader that has been appointed for life. Why? Is he the one that transformed the country (Mao) or that opened up the country (Xixian) and convinced the US (Carter and Nixon) to open the flood gates of investment and unilateral trade? But he has ambitions that outstrip Mao, Xixian and all the rest put together... And that is the problem. Just one observation should suffice to dispel the notion of efficiency in Chinese leadership: Massive lockdowns due to Covid. Despite being encumbered by the anti-vaxxers and QAnon conspirators and the like, the US has managed to pull through. China prefers to completely shut enire cities, areas and even states to this day. This is not efficient as we have seen in terms of social and economic costs. Environmental issues and rampant corruption are another problem. The degree of difference between how the two systems cope with Acts of God, environmental challenges, etc are vast. Ideology and culture is the prime if not only explanation. American Antivaxxers and Chinese leaders are as ideological as it gets. To summarize, the day antivaxxers or other ideologues start leading the US, we will see the US behaving and producing results like China. The day China opens up and becomes orders of magnitude more liberal towards it her own people so they are not subject to extreme govt control, they will behave and produce results much more like the US.
@@basattayfun1666 guess its a misunderstanding: ofc its important to find out which factors contribute the most. however my point is that its not so important to find out if player A or B is better/worse in that regard. i think your covid example is interesting. the "failure" of china is happend recently. before one can argue china tackled corona much more efficiently (one should not forget the casualties). its only for roughly half a year china "fails" because they dont really get out of it. if we assume its vaccinate work much better, i think one can make a point argueing it got through it the best. the vaccinate fail however is a single factor and surely not sufficient to show a systemic fail. it can simply be a bad decision or sometimes even coincidence. now which system will work out better in the future is hard to judge. i personally dislike the china system but thats based on multiple reasons, many of them related to cultural bias. my original point was to show that every country that reached a certain point of success had lots of support from other countries. the USA got big after ww2 and benefit a lot. the USA and EU agreed to trade technology and knowledge with cheap labour etc. and now they act surprised. i think the time for arrogance in the west has faded.
@@BuGGyBoBerl I think the covid provides an excellent opportunity to understand/explain what is going on. We know China exerts far more control over her citizens. The face recognition and their closed Internet with local analogs of US companies/systems were around years before covid. I am not even including the mass surveillance and so-called mass indoctrination ("re-education") Uyghurs are subject to. Jinping has been selling greatness. The same kind of patronizing, seductive nationalism that only brings out the worst of people -- the one Trump sold and continues to sell. In the States, the silent majority managed to overcome the seduction and beat back the Greatness Lovers (at least for now). In China, Make China Great(est) (again, or in 2035 or whatever) IS the system. China 2035 vision has been shaping every aspect of life from education to daily covid related decisions. BAD decisions. All in the name of greatness... not unlike what Trump made or encouraged with anti-mask, anti-vax proclamations and claims. Who needs facts, evidence, common sense or science when you can get a greatness shot to protect you from everything! And so China 's "only" six months behind the curve in covid (assuming it is truly over, and that is a BIG assumption). Why the delay? The mRNA vaccines that inoculated billions of people so far is yet to be approved in China. Why? Because it makes China -- more precisely Jinping -- look weak. No one is stopping them from developing their own traditional or mRNA vaccines -- and they are working hard at it. They prefer to let their people pay a very heavy price (lockdowns are not easy nor are they free/cheap) so they can do this all on their own! This is jingoism -- the same crap impulse that let Americans believe the vaccines contained chips or cells from aborted fetuses. So, yes, the Chinese decision making is a success -- for Jinping. Not so much from the perspective of the toll ordinary Chinese have been made to pay. Btw, I am not sure if fewer Chinese were lost as a result of the lockdowns. I find that claim suspect, at best, when we know vaccines that have been around for over a year pretty much eliminated the risk of death. Jinping, president-for-life, prioritized 2035 vision/greatness (or appearing as such) over the wellbeing of his countrymen. And the entire world is now rethinking their economic ties with them. Brilliant decision making if your goal is to look strong. Not so much if you are interested in keeping life flowing as normal as possible with ALL the tools the world has to offer. This is what one man rule invariable devolves into: Dreams of greatness, grandeur. Egos running wild. It is a sh*tty basis for decision making. The worst. The same reason why Putin -- who has robbed his beloved Russians blind for twenty years -- attacked Ukraine, the Russians who are supposedly Nazis and do not want to be Russians, because NATO is a threat, but nothing can be a threat to Russia, bc Russia is a great country with unstoppable, hypersonic nuclear missles, even though things were going really well with Nato blah blah blah.. (yes, Putin said all this in some form or another, at some time or another). Btw, this also betrays the inherent dishonesty of the Chinese govt (and other one strong man regimes). The Chinese want to remain the primary producer/exporter of the world, ie they want the world to trust them with their toys, cars, baskets, plastic spoons, TIk Tok, Alibaba, Huawei 5G, etc. But they do not want to trust German vaccines, US hardware/software, etc. One-sided trust is not a sustainable position. And, even as nations have accepted Communist Party dictatorship and severe human right violation as perpetual reality/fact, the world is no longer convinced the Chinese can be trusted to produce goods in a cost effective and timely manner. Jinping and his cronies are not stupid. They are making decisions based on a one (strong) man rule to reinforce that one man rule. Like Putin's Russia. Efficiency and objectively good results are not the goal. Greatness is the goal. And to be great, you cannot have life saving vaccines from Germany a year ago. You must wait for the Chinese version just like you must wait for the Chinese version of Tesla, Google, Apple, etc. But the US, despite the huge embarrassment, is still sane and realistic and pragmatic enough to fly in baby formula from others. Jinping is and must remain infallible. Biden's one man ego be damned. That is a huge difference in decision making style -- and results.
The social credit score idea is simple, if you owe someone else money and refuse to pay it back, you are not allow to spend money on things that are beyond the basic living, for example buying a car or luxury cloth or bag or traveling with high speed train, because you have cheaper options and you should save money to pay your debt first! which I think is pretty reasonable.
sure, you can always make it sound reasonable. why does it sound reasonable? because its expressed in a very simplistic way. however societies are complex and thats where the problems come. if you realize that you see its not reasonable at all, at least not for many people
@@BuGGyBoBerl I live in China and I can prove that the social credit system is just a simple credit rating. If I make statements against the government, my worst outcome could be imprisonment or just get my social media account being banned, but it has nothing to do with my social credit score. But some bank managers may could use system vulnerabilities to tamper with people's social credit ratings
He half right about authoritarian/state controlled capitalism but he didn’t foresee how Xi will collapse China ma economies for party power consolidation
I'm not a fan of China, but I do worry about it's economic stability as a nation, as this effects the world at large. This might be a silly heuristic, but I do believe, "With great speed, comes great instability." In a regular capitalist framework that isn't managed primarily by the state, you have at the very least localized consequences for overspending and being financially irresponsible, among various corporations that sink or swim, based on their ability to profit. You do have the concerns of the government bailing out corporations that collectively do something financially irresponsible, much like the 2008 crisis brought on by sub-prime mortgages, in the US. But these bailouts were loans, and the US government was eventually paid back in FULL. My fear is that China might be socializing much of it's debt and in doing so will eventually socialize the consequences for it to a degree where all of China will suffer. I don't think the Chinese Communist Party is to be credited as efficient managers. I believe the people of China are to be give the credit for their perseverance and hard work in the creation of a powerful nation. The people of China are better off without it's oppressive state.
"The people of China are better off without its oppressive state" "I don't think the Chinese Communist Party is to be credited as efficient managers" Then you are wrong on both counts. If the people were the only variable, they wouldn't be poor fucks for the near entirety of the 20th century and the latter half of the 19th century. You don't think they weren't working hard at the time? They were. Just look up video footage of early 20th century China. People had a very hard life. Hard work doesn't work on its own when you had two shitty governments that just didn't deliver. The CCP had its huge failures, but they drastically changed course after Deng came into power. When China didn't have any strong state, it was complete shit and people were absolutely miserable. This was proven over and over in its history. The Qing became the pariah of Asia after it became so weak that it lost to nearly every war it fought in. Westerners say the CCP brought famine once. That's true, but in previous dynasties, famines were frequent occurences, not one offs. The Qing dynasty had constant rebellions (the biggest one being the taiping rebellion) in the later half of the 19th century and people died in millions. In fact, it's fair to say that the CCP has brought about a new golden age in Chinese history if it continues delivering on its promises to the people. The only dynasties that could match its prowess were the Han and the Tang. Just because you have disagreements with how it's run doesn't mean the dynasty itself isn't a success. (Yes, I consider the CCP to be a new dynasty)
you should read more about whats actually happening in china. the governments management of market economies is much more hands-off compared to how the media paints it. there's an enormous 'start-up' culture (but startups of a larger scale compared to western-style, small-footprint ) where the vast majority of companies fail completely. the CCP funds initial capital and doesn't really reward/socialise failure
@@odebla2015 "it's fair to say that the CCP has brought about a new golden age in Chinese history if it continues delivering on its promises to the people." I would say the smartest thing the CCP desperately attempted was opening China up to the rest of the world and becoming the manufacturing center of the world and allowing foreign investment. I don't deny that the CCP has done good in allowing the wealth of foreign markets to integrate into China. But China must shed itself from a limiting system. In order to have an innovative culture, the CCP has to stop being politically threatening and coercive as it clearly has. Creativity is a much more challenging thing for China, thus far the ability to implement existing technology at will is easy. It's been incredibly successful in this respect. Because you can threaten a man to work, but you can't threaten him into creativity.
@@n1nj4sp4rt4n "the governments management of market economies is much more hands-off compared to how the media paints it." I hope that's true, but the issue with China is that you really can't know for sure. "the CCP funds initial capital and doesn't really reward/socialise failure" It's difficult to assume the government is hands off if it is financially invested in your company. Unless it's giving a grant and staying hands off and not wanting to be a shareholder of the company, per se,. It's really difficult to know or say anything for sure when it comes to China. What and who am I to believe?
@@mydroogies5529 China has no issue with creativity. They release more patents than the USA. They lead in artificial intelligence and many other areas. In fact even during ancient Chinese dynasties that were authoritarian they still innovated. Look up Joseph Needham books on Chinese inventions so your argument doesn’t make sense. The reason why they were copying for a long time has nothing to do with their government. Japan used to do the same and got better at it which led the USA to crush their economy in the 90s. They just lagged behind because of wars and stuff like that and they finally managed to catch up. Today we see a lot of Chinese inventions, their tech has gained prominence in the modern world. You say China has no creativity? How does the rest of the developing world compare? AFAIK my country doesn’t have its own UA-cam, doesn’t have its own mobile brand, doesn’t have its own car. Their creative output is a thousand fold than any of us in the developing and third world AND we’re a democratic liberal country.
the accomplishment is based on the effort and sacrifice of the individual Chinese person , the Chinese are incredibly hardworking and loyal. But CCP should not push too further, the future of Capitalism should be a balance between material & spiritual comfortableness. Too many ppl in China nowdays are stressed out , mental and nervous dieasse are not uncommon, just look at the riot news in china in recent years.
what...? the fk?... You're confusing china with america? There's thousands of riot in america, not china. BLM, ALM, capital hill riot. Where's this riot in china? Or u mean riot in china as in the DJ water party in wuhan china where they celebrate beating the pandemic?
@@winstond4445 someone deleted my response link for the riot news happened in recent years... in short GD province there are at least 2 major riot in village fighting for their voting and farming rights. also just last week a fatal car accident in Nanjing caused by a man whose wife is cheating , the man went crazy and killing innocent ppl on the street; also a few killings happened before in kindergarten in China in several cities
@@---zg7ex u do know the diff between riot and crime eh? u expected to have no crime in China? so if theres any it automatically is CPC fault eh? why made so many turns if thats ur whole point. 🥴 now go use the same standard and talk bout US, im waiting..
i just love how my simple facts shake CCP lover's nerves and try to come up with some non evidence based argument to confuse general audience. Keep it going and let more ppl to see the truth. Honestly the same game you play just like what CCP have been always using, attack from other angle or try to cover up the key issues...
Zizek forgot to mention one of the most fundamental difference between China and most countries: the state owns the means of production rather then then private companies, which is the reason for China’s success and the source of power and stability of its government
Why we want to stick with communism and capitalism or with some other ism . make changes in whatever means and bring equality in social and economical! Then we can enjoy instead of cry🙏🏼❤️
@@happyculater2923 this inequalities of the present society is manufacturing bad guys, other wise who is badguy ? is he alien? He is one of us .we made him bad.if this continue oneday we too will be bad guys for some other 🙏🏼❤️❤️❤️
@@happyculater2923 no friend up to me it's wrong.they are thinking that there way is the solution for inequality and we are thinking vice-vers.both are longing for peace.for that We should be negotiable and not stick to any ism or ity and make whatever changes to bring equality and peace.we should get ready to forgive, love and share our comfort❤️🙏🏼
Think about it, the task at hand is simple, you need to build a competent authoritarian government which manage 1.4b+ people to make it work, and those pricks are not stupid, at least not all of them. Now imagine the misery of this government if it's unable to deliver promises? Cruelty goes both ways.
China has been successful economically because Deng was someone who understands and values common sensing, and he instilled this idea of respecting the right the people to pursuit of happiness by wealth creation, and discredited the constant class struggle movement which has been non-stop since the founding of the People's Republic which epitomized by the outbreak of the cultural revolution in 1966. During which time, common sensing like wealth generation like personal pleasures were completely removed from China and matters of despicable nature.
@Max St. Arlyn The founding father of National Socialism would definitely reject this claim had Herr Hitler lived to see its development! It is more like a desperate attempt by a seemingly floundering communist party to avert catastrophe in the late 1970s, and succeeded with a combination of a run of good fortune as well as the inborn entrepreneurship of the Chinese people, avoided the fate of the USSR and came out somewhat on top of their western counterparts especially since the outbreak of the pandemic.
Really? They let cigarette companies sponsor schools and advertise on campus. It’s not as nicely regulated as the image they project, friend. It’s a good shocker headline though.
www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/chinas-tobacco-industry-is-building-schools-and-no-one-is-watching-120961 And I’ve heard a firsthand account.
What we need to discuss is exactly what aspects of Chinese policy socialists would change, decreasing exports decreases the overall wealth of the public and is thus anti-social, increasing wages decreases the appeal China has to foreign investment which lowers the job opportunities of the public (like in America) and is thus anti-social, if anything the pro-capitalistic aspects of China have been the only factors bringing any prosperity and freedom to anyone in China, so i seriously ask what particular policies you would change. "Oh do away with the repression" Then you get reactionaries and need heavier and more violent policing to counter them, so what's your point?
Indeed, China's ailments have no solution on a national level. To bring down the sweatshop of the world, there must be a world revolution. But this world revolution may well start in China (or elsewhere). Chinese socialists should concern themselves not with how to save China as what it is now, but with how to destroy it.
how does a country and human have a bright future？by make scientific decision and execute it to help human out of various problem and go head together. question 1: who can make right decision? answer: the distinguished man question 2: who is the distinguished people? Are they the rich or the high IQ or people with high degrees or be able to do a great speech. answer :no !! they all not the principle to chose a distinguished man. the distinguished must be a wisdom who really care all the people and have rich experienced to deal with things and unit hunman question 3:how can we chose these people? answer : the best way is that they can be choseed by pre wiadom people. so a real Democracy systems is to chose these people and give their power . let they lead the whole of human? it's the real core thing not the way let erveryone have a note . the truth is the west now all control by the rich ,they use the midia to fool people believe wrong thing, to get more profits. but not to care about the real people. what's more ,they can't unit people to resist disaster and go head instead of lunch a war anywhere. so I agree socialism very much ,USA and west can't destroy china. it's human last hope. we shout make west come back to a rational way to protect people from the rich control
China is dominating because their authoritarian rule allowed to minimize expenses. Most consumer and industrial products thanks to laws of free market economy were outsourced to China because no one can compete with Chinese prices. That is however at the expense of Chinese individual and Chinese enviroment. The question is what is gonna happen when the emerging Chinese middle class will demand a share of power. That is the biggest concern of Xi Jinping and Chinese government. That is also the reason why we see the emergence of technocratic totalitarian state and in particular the credit score. Absolute surveillance is the only way at least in the governments eyes to preserve power in single party. Another issue is the brutal punishments for corruption. The government understands that the spark of potential civil unrest in China is highly unlikely to be about western ideals, but like in Russia about government corruption. That is the reason why we see from time to time prominent Chinese figures to disappear. Government needs to do this because they understand that ideologically China is just a cynical facade.
it's just a socialistic mess, while they are also heavily investing in Africa at the moment. By these investments aka loans to the local governments they also have the power there..
@@shumeister1059 So tell me, what we, or rather you need. You want to decide who and what somebody nned? Nice. I was groving under communist shit, and no matter how capitalism is bad, I still prefer live under this system, then is some communist utopia, where nothing works. TIhi funny, how ppl who are tired of capitalism dont see, that new justis they ask for is sponsored by huge corporations, who wants puts everyone poor, and keep all power in their hands. This is even worst then communist, because we go back to feudalism, but maybe some lazy ppl be happy. Junky money for doing nothing.
@@ARTUROPVIOLA So what is alternative, please, tell me. I see that this is what is now is not perfect, but what is other way in your opinion? I see ugly truth about our world, I see this direction this world is going, and only thing I can say is that I am happy I have no kids. Is Great reset and "you will own nothing..." is the answer for all this probles? I dont want to live in world like this.
If you want to get Zizek's 'I WOULD PREFER NOT TO' t-shirt you can do so here:
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The most successful ever model: Authoritarian government, capitalist market economy, and making illusion that the government is doing socialism so people won’t complain
Prc isn't capitalist
Do you know why there are so many financiers and businessmen in China who are unhappy with the Chinese political system? Because the Chinese government has been taking care of the proletariat, lifting more people out of poverty and bringing more people into the middle class, all the policies are in touch with the interests of the rich. Of course, the Chinese government doesn't say it wants to rob the rich for no reason, just to make policies that are in the interest of the majority of its citizens
@@panama2468 Prc isn't communist (classless, stateless society) nor is it socialist (workers own the means of production). as op said. we have capitalism with strong authoritarian government. sorry to burst your bubble
@@YuenXii I realize you need to have purist outlook in order to pretend you're self righteous. China is communist. Just bc they don't have all pieces of a certain ideology or system, doesn't invalidate what they are. So, as op said, he is wrong. And if you truly believe that, then you don't know anything about the Chinese system
@@panama2468 Ok then North Korea is a Democratic Republic and the Nazis were socialists
Zizek is so correct about the irony of our social credit fears. We Westerners already live in one of the most, if not the most, credentialized societies in history - you need credentials to drive, to get insurance, to fly a plane, to get any number of jobs (for which you need credentials to get the degrees needed to get the job) or promotions, to access certain information or secrets, to keep custody of your kids, to get a loan, to get a credit card, to busk, to serve or buy booze, to be considered a citizen, to hold basically any political office, to join unions or guilds, to give expert testimony in court, to build a house, to start a business, to receive certain tax credits, to access welfare or employment insurance, to vote (in some countries), and on and on and on.
But you don't lose your driver's license for criticizing the government
@@EduardoMartinez-fk2pv Because your government doesn't care, authoritarian governments need speech control. And your government has more efficient speech control and brainwashing means without letting you know that you are being controlled by speech. We all live in a huge Ponzi scheme
@@EduardoMartinez-fk2pv I drive drunk out of protest
@@EduardoMartinez-fk2pv Neither do the Chinese.
@@EduardoMartinez-fk2pv people do criticize the gorvnment lol, you think is like the movies or news or your western news
If this man and Charlie munger got together to discuss economics and world politics it would be the most depressing and eye opening discussion.
@@lucasmoreirasantos8377 not necessarily a debate. Just a chat. They are both realistic to how the world works and it's direction.
For an example, they have both praised China in their economic prosperity. And they both are straight to the point speakers.
Reality hurts. Ikr
Taking about world politics... Have you ever heard or read Kishore Mehbubani????
@@strongfp this though. this is why i've hard time with peoples generalising capitalist/billionaires/republicans as stupid. of course a lot are. but there's people like charlie. who are very realistic. and call his 'peers' out on their bs when they criticise china and other socialist practices. i also hope to be as bright as he still is at 97 lol
Charlie munger would just try to sell stocks to zizek and that would be all
Every time I listen to videos such as this, in which interesting and intelligent arguments are brought forward and discussed, I start thinking that, after all, humanity has a chance of solving its issues and that productive discourse is possible.
Then I scroll down to the comment section and all I see is tribalism, ad hominem attacks, slogans and playground insults, and I remember that most people are idiots who think they and only they hold some truth.
Which ever side of which ever debate you are on and which ever group you think you belong to, do humanity a favour: grow up and start REALLY thinking about why you believe what you believe. If you cannot rationally articulate what you know to be true then maybe you don't know it to be true, you just want it to be true, which is not the same thing.
Well said! I have a small channel where I fact-check and correct misconceptions and misinformation that are being put forth by "finance influencers" here on UA-cam, particularly regarding things like meme stocks. It's remarkable to witness the degree to which the meme stock community of investors have embraced confirmation bias and Dunning-Kruger. These are mostly new, relatively uninformed market participants on which capitalism reflects a desperate, yet narcissistic hopelessness, a willingness to double down again and again and again; to believe what they _want_ to be true, never questioning anything, not even their own preconceptions, unaware of any and all counterarguments - living in a fantasy world. I don't claim to have all the answers, quite the contrary: I have all the questions! Anyway, I appreciate your comment; thank you!
@@ScottAllenFinance Will check your channel out! I'm not trying to appeal to authority but im curious to know if you studied econ/finance related fields too😁?
It happens when being right is more important than pursuing the truth, its all ego. But some of the comments are actual arguments
Well, a lot of the people who actually think will never write something here on the comments, you already gave the reasons why
@@ezequielgerstelbodoha9492 agree. No such a platform for people who want to discuss these things. On website like this, or twitter, or something else, many people just swear to each other...
According to the CPC's interpretation of Marx, communism can only arrive as a consequence of capitalism, there are no shortcuts. It's a final stage of an historical process that has to be undertaken by every country. When the CPC came into power, China was still a feudal country. First they though they could jump straight into Socialism, but failed miserably. Ultimately they learned that a capitalist system had to be created first, and let it run to it's inevitable contradictions. Only then they can start to transform the system into its final stage. This process is what they call "Socialism with Chinese characteristics".
??? They weren't a feudal state. They took over after a civil war with the weakened Republic of China government. Also they didn't have this type of plan. They starved the nation to levels of extreme poverty and Deng knew there was no choice but to open up to Western investment. Now they are just a capitalist Authoritarian nation
@@InfiniteFilmsBLP they starved due to the blessings of western boycott like Iran,Cuba, Venezuela & more& more .why forget to remind? Has something poured into the pocket?
@@InfiniteFilmsBLP Culturally they were feudalistic. I know this as an asian myself. I'm from Indonesia, and our kingdoms were destroyed by colonialism. But even after that, during colonialism, we had this weird combination of "feudalistic society but with capitalistic economy." Some of our heroes wrote that they were shocked when they arrived in europe and found the society was very equal. The europeans were generally nice and respect human right. But when they went to asia and worked here, suddenly they left their "equality, liberry, and fraternity" principles. Suddenly they love to act like an absolute monarch toward the natives. That's also the reason why many ex colonised country become such horrible human right abusre. Because we were conditioned to accept this kind of system for more than 100 years.
@@InfiniteFilmsBLP but the POC was not really a modern or western country before 1949. The initial revolution (Xin Hai) did not overturn the “landlord class” it merely took down the Qing government. POC merely replaced Qing without a profound revolution for the land and feudal culture particularly in rural areas，but at that time， Chinese people were vastly farm workers.
@@InfiniteFilmsBLP "Feudal" might be a misleading term, because European feudalism had a lot of intricacies that weren't present in China. But the societal dynamics were similar. A small group of elites (the de facto aristocracy) ruling over swaths of land where the majority of people worked in agriculture. China under Mao was already a lot richer than what preceded him, and he laid the foundation for the modern Chinese state. Reforming a system that is 300 years out of date doesn't come with its difficulties of course, but to say that he deliberately starved the nation is just blatantly ignorant.
The funny thing about "economically capitalist but politically authoritarian" is that is sounds different but it's not. When was the last time your boss asked you what the company should do?
Agree with you
Capitalism concentrates money and capital, and money means power. Power can acquire knowledge and ultimately monopolize higher education, which will further lead to monopolistic power. Capitalism itself is a kind of dictatorship. The difference between American democracy and Chinese dictatorship is only the means to obtain power.
Socialism without democracy is pseudo socialism, and democracy without socialism is pseudo democracy. People just pretend to have one of them, but in reality, they have nothing
These clips are awesome, but does anybody know when they are from?
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Sometimes they are uploaded from his lectures at his university (recently), and sometimes being uploaded from several years ago.
Zizek can be hard to catch due to erratic scheduling or just being Zizek. With respect.
@@rumhound5903 Zizek is great because he's an academic but learns from real people. Europe is Kaput with Yannis and Assange from the Ecuadorian Embassy before they broke him is brilliant
This is a clip from a discussion which Zizek was invited to in Vienna, back in 2019. I had the pleasure of attending it myself back then.
@@filokalija thanks
"My right wing friend ,but he is not an idiot"lmao
an important disclaimer. Because most of them are
@@Preda.Y I like to call them temporary idiots. Most are not too far gone.
@@robertstan298 right wing = pro human. Left wing = anti human
@@gingfreecss3467 Damn that's really clever
@@gingfreecss3467 pro human (unless minorities & alphabets)
Look at Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan. Their economy all took off with an authoritarian government plus combination of state-dominated plans and liberal capitalism. Scholars call it the East-Asia model so it's not a myth at all.
Funnily, enough, the first one's doing this model were Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. Looks like history is proving those two right after all.
@@axelhopfinger533 Empires in history have been doing this repeatedly. So a state-dominated economy isn't something new. East-Asia model is much better than western countries' colonial model through conquest, genocide and warfare.
@@axelhopfinger533 lol nazi detected
@@axelhopfinger533 Germany was living of plunder of newly conquored countries, that is not a viable economic model
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Let's just pretend the Nazis policies didn't lead to Germany being destroyed, and that Germany is only successful today because of huge aid from america and the USSR. If America and the USSR had treated Germany as Germany deserved, there would be no Germans today. The USSR and America showed mercy. When you have to rely on the mercy of an enemy, your system is not all that effective.
“Ｃommunism is certainly the future of Capitalism ”-Karl Heinrich Marx
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communism or capitalism is not important.China will be superpower is important.
@@user-em5su8jk8c screw the CCP
@@user-em5su8jk8c truth
When this debate happened? 2019? Right?
You can forget to put on CC when listening to zizek, thats a fact.
Na it works great I'm literally reading his accent..... perfection....
Hahahaha. CC is hilarious
From the CC he spoke a combination of Dutch and English 🤣
CC : This is definitely Dutch
It's sad that Zizek approaches economies with a purely developmentalist perspective, not taking the position in the global market to consideration. The world-system approach is necessary when explaining China's rise.
Fair enough
yup. This is very much true
Agreed.
Slavoy - much appreciate your insightful and impartial analysis of China. Three cheers for your very “open” talk 👍👍👍👏👏👏
Alguien puede decir en que canal esta traducido o subtitulado al español, quiero entero sobre el tema de China por fa
Lee Kuan Yew was not the first to invent authoritatian capitalism. He is the first to implement it successfully in modern time. China has always been a monarchy aka authoritarian, assisted by scholars aka bureaucracy, with an economy that is capitalistic in nature. Bank notes and paper money is also the first to be invented in China.
It is always hillarious how Westerners always simplify Chinese civilization and chinese systems, and they have to rationalize it with their western liberal democracy mindset, they just can't accept it is for what it is.
every anglo is now China expert. 🤣
@@user-gr5mz8hq2s 容易被片面宣传洗脑的普通人怎么会关注齐泽克?你没发现这个视频下面的评论质量明显比那些绿营媒体更好更全面吗？
His sniffing and other gestures are relaxing and satisfy. Its like watching someone extinguish his thirst
I just hope sociology can develop and evolve like science is, there is no "end of history" crap, we will always come up with better ideas and find better solutions to run our society. politics is special in that "power begets power", so the core issue is how to guarantee that "the power" can change when it needs to, either from inside or from the outside.
It's already develop toward science since the application of statistic measure a variable and predict a social actor. But if you're insist to make sociology into a hard and exact science like any natural science, forget it! It's deeply root in human nature not natural law. That's why we got a methology like Berger's social constructionism, critical theory, phenomenology, discourse analysis, etc. It's rely on human interpretation rather than simply a stats about current demographic and the like.
I agree with you that sociology needs to evolve. We are entering a phase in our history that information tech and virtual reality is booming, along with other scientific developments. It is very possible that future better society forms are there in the distance, waiting for us to find.
It won't be easy though. But give it 50 years, with tech like AI and quantum computation, we might be able to understand a bit more about human nature and social behavior, with that, plus the development of other info tech, we might be able to build a society which is fundamentally running on live sharing of info, numbers, and knowledge. That could mean something very different.
Yes, our society needs constant updates. Liberals always say that the prosperity of capitalism is a natural result and should not be interfered with artificially, but they are always designing this Ponzi scheme to lure more people into this exploitation system "voluntarily"
I could barely understand what he was talking. Then I opened CC. Now I completely do not understand what her was talking...
There's no right or wrong, all we can do is sit down and watch the things happen.
齐语听得不是很懂，自动生成的字幕是荷兰语就很离谱
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Haha, inderdaad.
齐言齐语
他说的不是英语么
口音么
they'll finally come to their senses because they're generally fairly smart? I hope so too but I have my doubts.
Authoritarian capitalism, state capitalism, and socialism with Chinese characters, are just different words for economic pragmatism.
More like economic corporatism (not the same as free market capitalism, rather the mixed model with socialistic elements) and political communism seem more like an accurate description of China.
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I've been an Al Qaeda supporter to a communist and than libertarian. Reality is that this whole left and right is a fraud (specially in case of USA).... We should be unbiased and open enough to accept the strength and weaknesses of both sides and use it for the betterment of our country and our people. As the great Deng Xiaoping said "No matter if it is a white cat or a black cat; as long as it can catch mice, it is a good cat."
@@Tyler_W I don't think you know what corporatism is my friend. Corporatism is when the people are organized into guilds or syndicates, where both employers and employees come together to collectively manage the economy, with the state acting as a mediator. It's essentially guild socialism, but with a strong state involved. I would know because this is what I advocate for. You were somewhat correct since corporatism does operate as a mixed economy with some economic freedom, economic planning, and nationalization of some industry. But you can't forget how the economy is organized in corporatism. And this isn't what China does. It's simply state capitalism, and like you said, mixed with political communism. I think it's very similar to what Lenin did in 1920s USSR with his NEP. And I'm pretty sure Lenin is the one that coined the term state capitalism. I'm assuming China's rationale behind this system is to get closer to developing socialism. Since Marx said that in order for socialism to be implemented successfully, it needs to occur in a highly developed capitalist economy that has a really high productive capacity. Which is why communism is China had such a rough start, because they were still an agrarian country. And the USSR was rough in the 1930s because Stalin tried to turn it into a command economy way too fast. Instead of waiting until the USSR was fully industrialized under state capitalism.
@@arminius6506 yea, but the politics in US will never allow this to happen. it's duopoly and theres no way out in the foreseeable future.
the PRC view Capitalism and Communism as utilities, not as ideologies.
Chinese Ideology, nasty proved for thousands year.
Wrong, China re-examined the early success of Lenin NEP economic policies. They realized that state capitalism must happen before transitioning towards socialism. China is and will always be a socialist state.
Maybe, but to the point that no one can distinguish between either
@@zurinarctus1329 For your last sentence, it is true only if the leading force of CCP can and really want to stick to their original communist purpose, rather than to collude and mimic the old oligarchical political families.
So true. They are very pragmatic people. People have food, jobs and hospitals but psychology, spirituality, individuality, life meaning are unnecessary.
Did anyone else notice that in between the beat boxing he was talking about socio-economics?
ubphuorthuanskhaly i bdont belipeve many pbeople did
I couldnt understand anything from his mumble rap so no
that is really not nice , dude. shame on you
@@royalmontpark oh come on it's a joke, it's an obvious thing that zizek has massive balls to be nervous of speaking and make his career to speak
These jokes stopped being funny years ago
I like to call China "Sino" because that's the adjective for Chinese stuff and it stands for "Socialist In Name Only."
@pepe roni Their system is officially called "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics". It's basically capitalism with socialist and authoritarian characteristics. It takes inspiration from how China was governed in its history.
@pepe roni And? What has the system got to do with the name. Is America called "Capitalist Democracy"? No, it's their system.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_characteristics
@pepe roni What a very strange thing to argue about. Socialism is in the name of the system. Whats so hard to understand? The fact that you asked the question in the first place implied you were confused. Was it meant to be rhetorical? Whats the point in your first question then? We all know the official name of China is the PRC.
@pepe roni in what way do I sound butt hurt lmao. You just sound dumb. I'm just here asking myself what I'm doing talking to a troll.
That's not what it stands for. You just made that shit up.
Where does this come form?
As native Chinese, we have a HUGE systematic economic risk on real estate.
That's basically supposed to absorb the excess of money as part of the reaction to the 2008 crisis, which never really ended. You have to analyze economy in the global context. No country today, not even North Korea, is independent from global economy.
As a more native Chinese, I don't see it. (use 'we' carefully, no single one can stand for 'we')
@@eyaswoo1483 Then I seriously suspect your true identity.
@@eyaswoo1483 There are a number of major risks on Chinese's real estate though, just look on how many Chinese's middle and upper classes (on financial level) invests a lot on buying little properties on Western and 3rd world countries (not necessarily needed on State Government deals on multilateral parts, as it's separated from deals of Joint projects akin to building rails, ports with unwarranted ownership as interests), alongside of recent acquisition of shares of Western companies (but this one by the bigger fishes akin to Tencent or holding a portion of shares to Disney) to ensure more stable equity
This is why not many foreign companies and foreign citizens would dare to buy lands in China but wants to sell products and services in China, but Chinese citizens gets the incentives to rather buy properties in Australia, certain major USA's states like California or various SEAsian countries instead for a more guarantee returns instead of State government's meddling prices or turning it into barely sustainable empty apartments for aforementioned rising incomes of middle class and upper classes in China, but it's still better and more realistic prospects than North Korea's own methods of money-laundering and very late foreign investments (which has much more involvement of State-mandated rules and absurdly lack of freedom, well at least they're not prone to liberal values for as ridiculous as it's sounds)
@@eyaswoo1483 it's pretty safe to assume anyone uses "we" like that is lying.
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold.
Is this a quote comrade?
@@ArmLegLegArmHead47 It's from a brilliant poem by William Butler Yates called ''The Second Coming''
terra fartma
the only thing left to do is to hold the door.
is this anticentrism? if so i approve
even people like zizek believe there is a "social credit score"... and he thinks that is the reason for some people not being able to buy train tickets... Okay okay
Isn't there a social credit score in China? Is he wrong ?
@@jhonnatanwalyston6645 mainly wrong. People will laugh at you in china if you ask such dumb things. Unfortunately thanks to western media nowadays there's many dumb people around the world.
@@jhonnatanwalyston6645 Those are more like creidts that helps to evaluate how much loan a bank/a corp would gib you lol.
how does it work then? I've been told that it can mean anything depending on what firm is evaluating what, from your financial stability to how long you play video games to your criminal record, etc.
@@iannordin5250 I believe those so-called "social credit" are more likely to be credits stored by banks/private corps to evaluate how much loan should they provide you. For gov, they did keep a document upon individuals though, which contains crime history, background or smth like that, but they're not social creidt described in those reddit/4chan/youtube post/vid, right?
Zizek seems like he had a lot o fun with the snow ❄️❄️
I don’t think even within his own logic he is right,but looking outside in he fails to recognize that defeat is sometimes preferable to a vapid and empty victory,or the cost that the success brought with it, in the forms of life loss,despair and true oppression and repression which I am sure he sees as a positive cause he thinks people don’t know how to decide for themselves.Which unfortunately is and has been true
The concept we're looking for is called "ownership " it's this from we need to grow to accessibilty .I think it's natural process most likely taking thousands of years
graudually i can understand his accent now.... im one of zizek's chinese fan and unfortunately i cannot watch this vedio in china which means i cant have the subs= =, i need to improve my english more...
您需要一个可以访问外国网站的浏览器插件，以便您可以访问中国的外国网站。我正在这样做
Chinese subtitles or English subtitles, please
Ancient Chinese Thought, Modern Chinese Power
Yan Xuetong - 2013
Book - Published by: Princeton University Press
"The rise of China could be the most important political development of the twenty-first century. What will China look like in the future? What should it look like? And what will China's rise mean for the rest of world? This book, written by China's most influential foreign policy thinker, sets out a vision for the coming decades from China's point of view."
muse.jhu.edu
3:33
'Chinese civilization began along the Yellow River in the Shang era, and spread from there when Bronze Age culture reached its peak. Then, traditional Chinese philosophies, such as Confucianism and Daoism, developed in the feudal Zhou era as China expanded in territory and population.'
google search engine
5:08
The "patriotic standard" thing in China is actually measuring people's credit, aka, their timely repayment of legal debts. Honestly speaking, I am more scared of the idea that 30 million Chinese people go default on debts lol.
what?well,why?ohh,how?
Credit rating has nothing to do with patriotism. I don't know why the western world always connects them。信用评级跟爱国没有关系，不知道为什么西方世界总是将他们两扯上关系
What's the difference between China and USA debts?
@@luisbravo5452 emmmmm，I do not kown
@@Hologram-P me either
Unfortunately Zizerk gets right.
Zizek is great, but he doesn’t know China
@Max St. Arlyn You are a complete 🤡
Mind elaborating, Pedro?
I tried to make sense of Mr. Zizek, I found myself helpless but scratching my nose incessantly!
It short I believe he is basically saying what dirty Commie have known for years. Capitalism is about wealth nothing else. It isn't about Free Trade, Innovation, and Competition. It all about the guapo. You make the guapo how you made the guapo doesn't matter.
@@undeadblizzard Mr. Zizek is well clearly well informed, this so-called new model of free participation on the world market with a despotic regime at home is nothing new to China, feudal Chinese dynasties were all ruled in this fashion, especially Tang/Song dynasties, and they were quite successful in trading and generating unimaginable wealth for the ruling elites! But the livelihood of ordinary people were hardly improved, and thats why they were all toppled by peasant uprisings or foreign invasions. What CPC has done differently this time around is that they let considerable number of Chinese people become the so-called middle-class with living standards improvement unimaginable for thousands of years, and the CPC establishes its legitimacy to rule over that.
@@zichen5223 True they learnt from Russia. Russia big problem was a lack of luxuries goods. If you give the people an Xbox it is easier to control them.
I am not saying luxury goods aren't important. I am saying just because you have the latest IPOD doesn't make you free. Also something about Capitalism leading to Authoritarianism because it really about Power.
@@undeadblizzard more more more oil 🤑
Lol
After reading some of the highly qualified comments and some of the utter fools I am discouraged to say anything about Master Z's stance and suggestions 😕
✊🤠🔨
1:02-1:05
As a Chinese, I can’t agree with it
Then don't
@@babla69420 ok
My following problems with a social credit score are
1) the authorities are always right - dissent is always being punished, doesn't matter if their views are correct or justifiable.
2) people will fall through the cracks, the system is not perfect, leading to more injustice.
3) people are not free to express their thoughts or beliefs in fear of being punished.
4) people will go out of their way to boost their credit score however possible.
5) even though the intention behind the social credit score might be righteous, it can easily be abused or fall in the wrong hands.
4:17 well it is fundamentally different, nothing wrong with stigmatisation
I think he simplify China a bit too much, why not inviting Zhang Wei Wei to debate him. They are always talking about China without Chinese, quite funny to be honest.😂
@Max St. Arlyn You are a complete 🤡
@Max St. Arlyn you're an idiot, nothing else. Go learn some philosophy
Western exceptionalism, if they are better why bother listening to their perceived inferior.
Like Chinese scholars don’t talk about Americans or Europeans without their presence all the time too? Your point is trash!
@@noneyabeeysnass8283 You know the difference, Chinese understand the west more than the west understand China. So your point is thrasher.
I agree with him completely ... But China did not make it's wealth by stealing from others (colonialism/imperialism!) ... Even during this pandemic they reduced poverty ...
😂😂😂
No not at all stealing like the others.. China is the number one stealer of intellectual property including buying up western companies and then pluck them completely (= destroying whole industries, e.g. Solar).
How can you just ignore that fact, seriously?
On personal or national level, to become economically successful, we either exploit others or ourselves. And us East Asians love to exploit ourselves and our own people. From tigger mom to death due to over working, we are stealing from our own happiness.
@@schweizer93 Everyone steals intellectual property, it's the basic human behavior. Since i was kid i noticed there's always someone to steal your idea and tell it's his.
So what's your point ?
@@schweizer93 intellectual property isnt real. just because corporations own your country and made it law doesn't make it any less bullshit
China is in no way not imperialist. They are creating debt traps in africa allowing them to take hold over parts of the region similarly to what the US did.
I will forever support libertarianism, following Hayek's ideas that any form of centrally planned economies by any State are doomed to fail.
0:38 Why did he speak German for one second?
Because german Industrialisierung is still incomplete to this day ..
Oh sorry that's Digitalisierung🤭🤭
They also.. remained Chinese...I mean...
With all due respect to zizek for his analysis of western societies, i dont think he really understands what kind of country/state China really is. But im not blaming Zizek, actually almost none western scholar has a deep understanding of China and ironically, that is true for many chinese people too.
The framework of China's political system has been formed since 2 thousand years ago. Therefore historical perspective is definitely a must for undertsanding China's political economy system. Prof Zheng Yongnian's Market in State is a good read
Thank you for the recommendation!
Same conclusion of Nick Land. Interesting.
我们还是失败了
"British Industrialisierung"
what language he speak？
English and sniffles.
Well, there are two ways for the future capitalism: communism and fascism
The U.S. is capitalism, what do you make of that?
@小熊维尼 Mao Ze Dong's projects was mostly failures which the subsequent leaders of CCP learnt to avoid, the only good thing Mao does is to give template of single party, but not it's specifics
If anything, Deng Xiaoping makes the system somewhat functional, but at the cost of principles, at least the past Mao-era China were purely hostile against Israel in comparison to CCP since the 80s and began to be centrist with face changing between right wing and left wing when it's convenient
@小熊维尼 well said, comrade.
And then feudalism come in like John cena ;)
@Ryan Alex hell on earth even though life expectancy doubled .....
Has he been tested for COVID ? If not it will be s superspreader event
Na dawg.... He was touching his nose since the beginning of time.😂
It's an old clip from before the pandemic. If he has done any non-remote talks and interviews and stuff since it started, I am not aware.
No lost there, all Marxist preaching there preaching to other Marxist about how a Marxist country is good
I think that after eliminating all the cultural factors, ordinary chinese life like is just like ordinary american life without involvement of politics.
@Ryan Alex Firstly, explain me what is China's culture?
why 字幕 only can be created in 荷兰语
british industriljianian
I think he confused languages and said the german word for industrialisation: "Industrialisierung"
As a chinese communist, I really want to understand what he said, it is too hard...I need subtitle
他害怕中国的崛起，会终止西式民主和资本主义的永恒联姻
Please don't conquer and enslave us. I beg you.
@@schweizer93 😂😂😂 simr ume im chaute chrieg odr was? Wtf
世界渐渐意识到：民主是资本发展的绊脚石，所以西方主流意识用看似自由和平的方式来压制民主。
When was the last time China conquered a nation? Compare it to how many times the US intervened in foreign affairs via military intervention. The only time China will invade is probably Taiwan and that's a big if because China is fine with the status quo as long as Taiwan doesn't cozy up to the US.
Other countries naturally tend towards the system of the Global Hegemon at the time. It’s human evolution
0:34 well 3 decades
Is this from Monty Python and flying circus? I'm a biggest fan.
哎，这事儿太讽刺了，太悲哀了，好好一个共运老二变成了资本主义未来
work就好了
唉 革命胜利果实被修正主义和走资派窃取了
摸着石头过河啊。避免了朝鲜化，避免了苏联化，避免了日韩化。
i don't understand.
and can't see a lot of hope.
First thing，what the fuuk is social credit point.
Isn't that just a meme on Chinese Internet?
stfu, don't tell them the truth
I listened to 3 seconds and said to myself, "I can't do this..." then turned on the subtitles and laughed hard.
China did not develop in isolation. Without exports where would China be? And where have the exports been going to all these decades? First and foremost, she needed a massive, greedy capitalist establishment (the USA) to lay the foundation and path for massive transfer of productive capacity and investment. The USA is a first in history in terms of her size and development. The British Empire could not and did not do for China what the US did in just a few decades. By herself, in isolation, China would might have achieved some development, perhaps significantly so. Still, she would have been far from (far behind) where she is today. Today, China exports to others as well, esp the EU. But, the EU would not have come into existence without the US-established World Order and US-provided security. Left to their own devices, the Europeans would have likely been in-fighting (remember WWI and WWII?) instead of building a massive economic block. Instead, the US carried the brunt of the defense burden while the French and Germans (and until recently the British) concentrated on economic growth. And whatever benefit they received from and gave to the Chinese, would still be largely due to the globalization made possible by the US... The EU did not open up China, the US did.
every country or nation that grow big depends on others. thats nothing new. chinas rising was heavily supported by europe and USA. deciding which side contributed most is possible but does it really matter?
@@BuGGyBoBerl it does if one wants to understand the causes/drivers of success or failure so one can repeat/maintain the success or avoid/reverse the failure. No system is a perfect meritocracy but merit has dramatically varying degree of influence on the outcome depending on where, when and to whom one is born. Xi Jinping is the first leader that has been appointed for life. Why? Is he the one that transformed the country (Mao) or that opened up the country (Xixian) and convinced the US (Carter and Nixon) to open the flood gates of investment and unilateral trade? But he has ambitions that outstrip Mao, Xixian and all the rest put together... And that is the problem.
Just one observation should suffice to dispel the notion of efficiency in Chinese leadership: Massive lockdowns due to Covid. Despite being encumbered by the anti-vaxxers and QAnon conspirators and the like, the US has managed to pull through. China prefers to completely shut enire cities, areas and even states to this day. This is not efficient as we have seen in terms of social and economic costs. Environmental issues and rampant corruption are another problem. The degree of difference between how the two systems cope with Acts of God, environmental challenges, etc are vast. Ideology and culture is the prime if not only explanation. American Antivaxxers and Chinese leaders are as ideological as it gets.
To summarize, the day antivaxxers or other ideologues start leading the US, we will see the US behaving and producing results like China. The day China opens up and becomes orders of magnitude more liberal towards it her own people so they are not subject to extreme govt control, they will behave and produce results much more like the US.
@@basattayfun1666 guess its a misunderstanding: ofc its important to find out which factors contribute the most. however my point is that its not so important to find out if player A or B is better/worse in that regard.
i think your covid example is interesting. the "failure" of china is happend recently. before one can argue china tackled corona much more efficiently (one should not forget the casualties). its only for roughly half a year china "fails" because they dont really get out of it. if we assume its vaccinate work much better, i think one can make a point argueing it got through it the best. the vaccinate fail however is a single factor and surely not sufficient to show a systemic fail. it can simply be a bad decision or sometimes even coincidence.
now which system will work out better in the future is hard to judge. i personally dislike the china system but thats based on multiple reasons, many of them related to cultural bias.
my original point was to show that every country that reached a certain point of success had lots of support from other countries. the USA got big after ww2 and benefit a lot. the USA and EU agreed to trade technology and knowledge with cheap labour etc. and now they act surprised. i think the time for arrogance in the west has faded.
@@BuGGyBoBerl I think the covid provides an excellent opportunity to understand/explain what is going on. We know China exerts far more control over her citizens. The face recognition and their closed Internet with local analogs of US companies/systems were around years before covid. I am not even including the mass surveillance and so-called mass indoctrination ("re-education") Uyghurs are subject to. Jinping has been selling greatness. The same kind of patronizing, seductive nationalism that only brings out the worst of people -- the one Trump sold and continues to sell. In the States, the silent majority managed to overcome the seduction and beat back the Greatness Lovers (at least for now). In China, Make China Great(est) (again, or in 2035 or whatever) IS the system. China 2035 vision has been shaping every aspect of life from education to daily covid related decisions. BAD decisions. All in the name of greatness... not unlike what Trump made or encouraged with anti-mask, anti-vax proclamations and claims. Who needs facts, evidence, common sense or science when you can get a greatness shot to protect you from everything!
And so China 's "only" six months behind the curve in covid (assuming it is truly over, and that is a BIG assumption). Why the delay? The mRNA vaccines that inoculated billions of people so far is yet to be approved in China. Why? Because it makes China -- more precisely Jinping -- look weak. No one is stopping them from developing their own traditional or mRNA vaccines -- and they are working hard at it. They prefer to let their people pay a very heavy price (lockdowns are not easy nor are they free/cheap) so they can do this all on their own! This is jingoism -- the same crap impulse that let Americans believe the vaccines contained chips or cells from aborted fetuses. So, yes, the Chinese decision making is a success -- for Jinping. Not so much from the perspective of the toll ordinary Chinese have been made to pay. Btw, I am not sure if fewer Chinese were lost as a result of the lockdowns. I find that claim suspect, at best, when we know vaccines that have been around for over a year pretty much eliminated the risk of death. Jinping, president-for-life, prioritized 2035 vision/greatness (or appearing as such) over the wellbeing of his countrymen. And the entire world is now rethinking their economic ties with them. Brilliant decision making if your goal is to look strong. Not so much if you are interested in keeping life flowing as normal as possible with ALL the tools the world has to offer.
This is what one man rule invariable devolves into: Dreams of greatness, grandeur. Egos running wild. It is a sh*tty basis for decision making. The worst. The same reason why Putin -- who has robbed his beloved Russians blind for twenty years -- attacked Ukraine, the Russians who are supposedly Nazis and do not want to be Russians, because NATO is a threat, but nothing can be a threat to Russia, bc Russia is a great country with unstoppable, hypersonic nuclear missles, even though things were going really well with Nato blah blah blah.. (yes, Putin said all this in some form or another, at some time or another).
Btw, this also betrays the inherent dishonesty of the Chinese govt (and other one strong man regimes). The Chinese want to remain the primary producer/exporter of the world, ie they want the world to trust them with their toys, cars, baskets, plastic spoons, TIk Tok, Alibaba, Huawei 5G, etc. But they do not want to trust German vaccines, US hardware/software, etc. One-sided trust is not a sustainable position. And, even as nations have accepted Communist Party dictatorship and severe human right violation as perpetual reality/fact, the world is no longer convinced the Chinese can be trusted to produce goods in a cost effective and timely manner. Jinping and his cronies are not stupid. They are making decisions based on a one (strong) man rule to reinforce that one man rule. Like Putin's Russia. Efficiency and objectively good results are not the goal. Greatness is the goal. And to be great, you cannot have life saving vaccines from Germany a year ago. You must wait for the Chinese version just like you must wait for the Chinese version of Tesla, Google, Apple, etc. But the US, despite the huge embarrassment, is still sane and realistic and pragmatic enough to fly in baby formula from others.
Jinping is and must remain infallible. Biden's one man ego be damned.
That is a huge difference in decision making style -- and results.
Žižek 👍
DIRIGISM INTENSIFIES
The social credit score idea is simple, if you owe someone else money and refuse to pay it back, you are not allow to spend money on things that are beyond the basic living, for example buying a car or luxury cloth or bag or traveling with high speed train, because you have cheaper options and you should save money to pay your debt first! which I think is pretty reasonable.
sure, you can always make it sound reasonable. why does it sound reasonable? because its expressed in a very simplistic way. however societies are complex and thats where the problems come. if you realize that you see its not reasonable at all, at least not for many people
@@BuGGyBoBerl something a guy in debt would say
@@MrTheBest247 is your limited knowledge about possible reasons a proof for anything?
@@BuGGyBoBerl
I live in China and I can prove that the social credit system is just a simple credit rating.
If I make statements against the government, my worst outcome could be imprisonment or just get my social media account being banned, but it has nothing to do with my social credit score.
But some bank managers may could use system vulnerabilities to tamper with people's social credit ratings
@@MrTheBest247 WTF I remember when I liked your comment, you already had two likes, and now it has become one again
humanitarian catastrophe?!
hardly:
humanitarian successful exemplar of altruistic benevolence
This is a joke right?
"Bro, trust me, it's a transitional thing, what are you some kind of reactionary ultra?"
He half right about authoritarian/state controlled capitalism but he didn’t foresee how Xi will collapse China ma economies for party power consolidation
I'm not a fan of China, but I do worry about it's economic stability as a nation, as this effects the world at large. This might be a silly heuristic, but I do believe, "With great speed, comes great instability."
In a regular capitalist framework that isn't managed primarily by the state, you have at the very least localized consequences for overspending and being financially irresponsible, among various corporations that sink or swim, based on their ability to profit. You do have the concerns of the government bailing out corporations that collectively do something financially irresponsible, much like the 2008 crisis brought on by sub-prime mortgages, in the US. But these bailouts were loans, and the US government was eventually paid back in FULL.
My fear is that China might be socializing much of it's debt and in doing so will eventually socialize the consequences for it to a degree where all of China will suffer.
I don't think the Chinese Communist Party is to be credited as efficient managers. I believe the people of China are to be give the credit for their perseverance and hard work in the creation of a powerful nation. The people of China are better off without it's oppressive state.
"The people of China are better off without its oppressive state" "I don't think the Chinese Communist Party is to be credited as efficient managers"
Then you are wrong on both counts. If the people were the only variable, they wouldn't be poor fucks for the near entirety of the 20th century and the latter half of the 19th century. You don't think they weren't working hard at the time? They were. Just look up video footage of early 20th century China. People had a very hard life. Hard work doesn't work on its own when you had two shitty governments that just didn't deliver. The CCP had its huge failures, but they drastically changed course after Deng came into power.
When China didn't have any strong state, it was complete shit and people were absolutely miserable. This was proven over and over in its history. The Qing became the pariah of Asia after it became so weak that it lost to nearly every war it fought in. Westerners say the CCP brought famine once. That's true, but in previous dynasties, famines were frequent occurences, not one offs. The Qing dynasty had constant rebellions (the biggest one being the taiping rebellion) in the later half of the 19th century and people died in millions.
In fact, it's fair to say that the CCP has brought about a new golden age in Chinese history if it continues delivering on its promises to the people. The only dynasties that could match its prowess were the Han and the Tang. Just because you have disagreements with how it's run doesn't mean the dynasty itself isn't a success. (Yes, I consider the CCP to be a new dynasty)
you should read more about whats actually happening in china. the governments management of market economies is much more hands-off compared to how the media paints it. there's an enormous 'start-up' culture (but startups of a larger scale compared to western-style, small-footprint ) where the vast majority of companies fail completely. the CCP funds initial capital and doesn't really reward/socialise failure
@@odebla2015 "it's fair to say that the CCP has brought about a new golden age in Chinese history if it continues delivering on its promises to the people."
I would say the smartest thing the CCP desperately attempted was opening China up to the rest of the world and becoming the manufacturing center of the world and allowing foreign investment.
I don't deny that the CCP has done good in allowing the wealth of foreign markets to integrate into China. But China must shed itself from a limiting system. In order to have an innovative culture, the CCP has to stop being politically threatening and coercive as it clearly has.
Creativity is a much more challenging thing for China, thus far the ability to implement existing technology at will is easy. It's been incredibly successful in this respect. Because you can threaten a man to work, but you can't threaten him into creativity.
@@n1nj4sp4rt4n "the governments management of market economies is much more hands-off compared to how the media paints it."
I hope that's true, but the issue with China is that you really can't know for sure.
"the CCP funds initial capital and doesn't really reward/socialise failure"
It's difficult to assume the government is hands off if it is financially invested in your company. Unless it's giving a grant and staying hands off and not wanting to be a shareholder of the company, per se,. It's really difficult to know or say anything for sure when it comes to China.
What and who am I to believe?
@@mydroogies5529 China has no issue with creativity. They release more patents than the USA. They lead in artificial intelligence and many other areas. In fact even during ancient Chinese dynasties that were authoritarian they still innovated. Look up Joseph Needham books on Chinese inventions so your argument doesn’t make sense. The reason why they were copying for a long time has nothing to do with their government. Japan used to do the same and got better at it which led the USA to crush their economy in the 90s. They just lagged behind because of wars and stuff like that and they finally managed to catch up. Today we see a lot of Chinese inventions, their tech has gained prominence in the modern world. You say China has no creativity? How does the rest of the developing world compare? AFAIK my country doesn’t have its own UA-cam, doesn’t have its own mobile brand, doesn’t have its own car. Their creative output is a thousand fold than any of us in the developing and third world AND we’re a democratic liberal country.
the accomplishment is based on the effort and sacrifice of the individual Chinese person , the Chinese are incredibly hardworking and loyal. But CCP should not push too further, the future of Capitalism should be a balance between material & spiritual comfortableness. Too many ppl in China nowdays are stressed out , mental and nervous dieasse are not uncommon, just look at the riot news in china in recent years.
what...? the fk?... You're confusing china with america? There's thousands of riot in america, not china. BLM, ALM, capital hill riot. Where's this riot in china?
Or u mean riot in china as in the DJ water party in wuhan china where they celebrate beating the pandemic?
@@winstond4445 someone deleted my response link for the riot news happened in recent years... in short GD province there are at least 2 major riot in village fighting for their voting and farming rights. also just last week a fatal car accident in Nanjing caused by a man whose wife is cheating , the man went crazy and killing innocent ppl on the street; also a few killings happened before in kindergarten in China in several cities
@@---zg7ex That was just collateral damages for greater good. We should hit the brake because some losers can't keep up?
@@---zg7ex u do know the diff between riot and crime eh?
u expected to have no crime in China? so if theres any it automatically is CPC fault eh?
why made so many turns if thats ur whole point. 🥴
now go use the same standard and talk bout US, im waiting..
i just love how my simple facts shake CCP lover's nerves and try to come up with some non evidence based argument to confuse general audience. Keep it going and let more ppl to see the truth. Honestly the same game you play just like what CCP have been always using, attack from other angle or try to cover up the key issues...
What china did is allow capitalization not capitalism.
?????????? The C in China stands for capitalism. China is pure capitalism with an authoritarian essence.
'Merica had it's revolution to become a 'country', but hasn't had an economic revolution that puts power in the hands of common citizens.
Welp, that's the flaw. He doesn't know China that well.
from the part he started talking about “social credit “ , I knew this man’s words about China is mostly bullshit🤣
Back at ya
Zizek forgot to mention one of the most fundamental difference between China and most countries: the state owns the means of production rather then then private companies, which is the reason for China’s success and the source of power and stability of its government
That’s not true. Trying to has a very strong and dynamic private sector
@@nehcooahnait7827 I don't think you understand what means of production means
@@xiaoxi8479我认为你不知道生产资料是什么
1:25 im hoping he didnt misquote, he previously misquoted Kaczyński (repeated by chapo because they didn't double check)
I think he was on "Speed" during the debate... or whatever he was on.
I'm not sure if I care, as long as millions get out of poverty
Why we want to stick with communism and capitalism or with some other ism . make changes in whatever means and bring equality in social and economical! Then we can enjoy instead of cry🙏🏼❤️
But communism will cause nation security problems.. we must defeat bad guys to bring equality in social and economical.
@@happyculater2923 this inequalities of the present society is manufacturing bad guys, other wise who is badguy ? is he alien? He is one of us .we made him bad.if this continue oneday we too will be bad guys for some other 🙏🏼❤️❤️❤️
@@antonyarulprakash3435 the bad guys are communists China. Only after we defeat them,can we bring equality in social and economical.
@@happyculater2923 no friend up to me it's wrong.they are thinking that there way is the solution for inequality and we are thinking vice-vers.both are longing for peace.for that We should be negotiable and not stick to any ism or ity and make whatever changes to bring equality and peace.we should get ready to forgive, love and share our comfort❤️🙏🏼
Think about it, the task at hand is simple, you need to build a competent authoritarian government which manage 1.4b+ people to make it work, and those pricks are not stupid, at least not all of them. Now imagine the misery of this government if it's unable to deliver promises? Cruelty goes both ways.
3:12 well one of them
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China has been successful economically because Deng was someone who understands and values common sensing, and he instilled this idea of respecting the right the people to pursuit of happiness by wealth creation, and discredited the constant class struggle movement which has been non-stop since the founding of the People's Republic which epitomized by the outbreak of the cultural revolution in 1966. During which time, common sensing like wealth generation like personal pleasures were completely removed from China and matters of despicable nature.
@Max St. Arlyn The founding father of National Socialism would definitely reject this claim had Herr Hitler lived to see its development! It is more like a desperate attempt by a seemingly floundering communist party to avert catastrophe in the late 1970s, and succeeded with a combination of a run of good fortune as well as the inborn entrepreneurship of the Chinese people, avoided the fate of the USSR and came out somewhat on top of their western counterparts especially since the outbreak of the pandemic.
Ahhhh, WHAT?
Don't think wall St isn't jeaulous of china.
Really? They let cigarette companies sponsor schools and advertise on campus. It’s not as nicely regulated as the image they project, friend. It’s a good shocker headline though.
when？where？
www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/chinas-tobacco-industry-is-building-schools-and-no-one-is-watching-120961
And I’ve heard a firsthand account.
@@c.s.hayden3022 Man you took things out of context more than the article did
What we need to discuss is exactly what aspects of Chinese policy socialists would change, decreasing exports decreases the overall wealth of the public and is thus anti-social, increasing wages decreases the appeal China has to foreign investment which lowers the job opportunities of the public (like in America) and is thus anti-social, if anything the pro-capitalistic aspects of China have been the only factors bringing any prosperity and freedom to anyone in China, so i seriously ask what particular policies you would change.
"Oh do away with the repression"
Then you get reactionaries and need heavier and more violent policing to counter them, so what's your point?
Indeed, China's ailments have no solution on a national level. To bring down the sweatshop of the world, there must be a world revolution. But this world revolution may well start in China (or elsewhere). Chinese socialists should concern themselves not with how to save China as what it is now, but with how to destroy it.
it doesnt for most of china population.
excellent analysis by Zizek but he should go easy on stimulants.
Man touches nose, man do drugs, me funny, me make joke haha
Go fuck yourself
I could be some allergy. I used to have runny nose.
'a little agitated... excited about the theme'
how does a country and human have a bright future？by make scientific decision and execute it to help human out of various problem and go head together.
question 1: who can make right decision?
answer: the distinguished man
question 2: who is the distinguished people? Are they the rich or the high IQ or people with high degrees or be able to do a great speech.
answer :no !! they all not the principle to chose a distinguished man.
the distinguished must be a wisdom who really care all the people and have rich experienced to deal with things and unit hunman
question 3:how can we chose these people?
answer : the best way is that they can be choseed by pre wiadom people.
so a real Democracy systems is to chose these people and give their power . let they lead the whole of human? it's the real core thing not the way let erveryone have a note .
the truth is the west now all control by the rich ,they use the midia to fool people believe wrong thing, to get more profits. but not to care about the real people. what's more ,they can't unit people to resist disaster and go head instead of lunch a war anywhere.
so I agree socialism very much ,USA and west can't destroy china. it's human last hope. we shout make west come back to a rational way to protect people from the rich control
China is dominating because their authoritarian rule allowed to minimize expenses. Most consumer and industrial products thanks to laws of free market economy were outsourced to China because no one can compete with Chinese prices. That is however at the expense of Chinese individual and Chinese enviroment. The question is what is gonna happen when the emerging Chinese middle class will demand a share of power. That is the biggest concern of Xi Jinping and Chinese government. That is also the reason why we see the emergence of technocratic totalitarian state and in particular the credit score. Absolute surveillance is the only way at least in the governments eyes to preserve power in single party. Another issue is the brutal punishments for corruption. The government understands that the spark of potential civil unrest in China is highly unlikely to be about western ideals, but like in Russia about government corruption. That is the reason why we see from time to time prominent Chinese figures to disappear. Government needs to do this because they understand that ideologically China is just a cynical facade.
it's just a socialistic mess, while they are also heavily investing in Africa at the moment. By these investments aka loans to the local governments they also have the power there..
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Slavoj isn't really a Marxist. But from a purely philosophical perspective he's sort of interesting.
1:14 Please, Žižek, for the sake of love, don't call him "Dengk Xiao Pingk"
I just wish there was not a future for capitalism, simple, full stop!
I wish you were not stupid marxists
Capitalism has outgrown its usefulness. We don't need more junk to be produced for frivolous consumptions to keep an unsustainable system in place.
@@shumeister1059 So tell me, what we, or rather you need. You want to decide who and what somebody nned? Nice. I was groving under communist shit, and no matter how capitalism is bad, I still prefer live under this system, then is some communist utopia, where nothing works. TIhi funny, how ppl who are tired of capitalism dont see, that new justis they ask for is sponsored by huge corporations, who wants puts everyone poor, and keep all power in their hands. This is even worst then communist, because we go back to feudalism, but maybe some lazy ppl be happy. Junky money for doing nothing.
@@piotrkulpa8034 who mentioned communism? It is not the only alternative .... bleh LOL
@@ARTUROPVIOLA So what is alternative, please, tell me. I see that this is what is now is not perfect, but what is other way in your opinion? I see ugly truth about our world, I see this direction this world is going, and only thing I can say is that I am happy I have no kids. Is Great reset and "you will own nothing..." is the answer for all this probles? I dont want to live in world like this.