The fact that went from idea to testing in 113 days for the AMG GT1 and then won every race must be one of the most amazing motorsport stories ever and hasn’t received the attention it deserves.
I think we need more cars like this T50, Valk, Project One - All have a purpose and inspired by motorsport. It's nice to see what manufacturers are capable of even if we can't afford them. 😄
To me car like Valkyrie is kinda pointless, a race car for the road never works as it will never be useable. So most will end up in a collection being displayed forever. T50 is different as it's designed to be driven in real world just it cost so much end up too valuable to be driven most of the time.
@@lcwpg Agree with you. But mine thinking was that their intention was to lobby for LMP1 Hypercar rules. But because they now with Stroll partners fully committed in F1 we will never see factory Valk support as was intended. But still is nice exercise for Automotive sector of company. Its nice project none less.
if we don't see them at a track racing they are basically useless, they'll all end up in storage collecting dust for years... all of those cars should've been LMHs
@@alesksander Aston martin could not afford to make their own engines how they wanna even go racing. Car like valkyrie is just for show casing the brand nothing more.
@@lcwpg Sure. Maybe was foolish for them even trying. I was just thinking yesterday. Maybe that bolt decision also contributed majorly in Stroll and his investors to invest their money on. Its showed company got talent, design team and somewhat vision to do something different in hard times. And bv i will just dispute and disagree "own engine" thing. Cosworth made bespoke engine towards their needs. Remember torque curve and shallow 65deg bank angle and high exhaust were all optimised for biggest venturi tunnels as possible. So in essence was manufacturer effort on budget.
In other words: because of the F1 engine, it's going to be like no other car on the planet. Other than that, the other hypercars are much more innovative. Let's hope the setup is its redeeming quality, bc I'm expecting that Gordon Murray is going to produce a F1+ with the new T50.
I'm trying my very best to comprehend every technical detail you explained...this is really educational and informative! I can't express how much I appreciate your effort to make these professional contents free to the public! Thank you! I learned a lot!
A very informative video as always! I have a few questions, though, if you don't mind! 1. Are you sure the 675kg of downforce is at top speed? Mercedes has been claiming their downforce figures at the industry standard 250km/h - like the 400kg for the AMG GT Black Series. It might also be possible that it reaches 675kg (or close to that figure) at 250km/h and this figure is then maintained up to the Vmax to protect tires and to avoid maxing out suspension travel. I wouldn't imagine they would develop a car with less downforce than the much lower positioned GT BS, not to mention a lot of the other supercars and hypercars. And I am sure they also must have paid attention to the Valkyrie, and in order to not get totally embarrassed by that car I would think they did everything they could to up the performance as much as possible. 2. Do you have any deeper info on the gearbox? Is it just a normal automated manual, or is it something more exotic? I wouldn't imagine they would go for a true dog ring sequential because of wear issues, but some small manufacturers have done it in the past (Gumpert Apollo, Ascari A10, Ariel Atom). 3. They had trouble getting the idle of the engine down. Why would that be an issue with variable valve timing, though? If you can dial less valve overlap at low rpm and still keep the high overlap at high rpm, what else is stopping the engine from running at low idle? Or are they keeping the original pneumatic valve system? I would thought that to be impossible. And if they put new heads on the engine, why wouldn't they go with a VVT system? 4. In the latest photos (when it broke down on the way to the N Ring) you can see the car is clearly raised - meaning it has adjustable ride height suspension. However, the suspension you can see on the early rolling chassis photos doesn't seem to include any elements that would allow this. Am I wrong, or have they had to rework the suspension to achieve the ability?
Very good points, thanks! 1. The only downforce information we currently have is from former AMG CEO Tobias Moers who gave an interview for Autocar in 2018 and said: Downforce will be “approximately half the weight of the car”. Then he said the total weight of the car will be between 1300 and 1400kg (instead of originally less than 1200kg). So the journalists took the middle (1350kg), divided it by 2 and said it will produce 675kg of downforce and every other magazin used that number too. We don't know the speed for that but it's likely he stated the maximum downforce it can produce to be competitive. If this would be at 250km/h that would mean it would generate more than the McLaren P1 and looking at the Project One I would doubt that. 2. All I know is: automated, hydraulic, seven speed. Would be interesting to know if the 7 speed system is now running in a 8-speed housing, since they originally designed it for 8 gears. Changing the gearbox shell could also move the suspension points here, which would be a lot of development work. 3. Problem would be the low stroke layout. These F1 engines have 80mm bore and only 53mm stroke. Normal road car engines have around 90mm stroke. So by design there is less inertia because of the small radius crank. And there is also no heavy flywheel to keep the engine running. You are right, valve timing can help, but you can only do so much. And like I said they didn't want to touch the Brixworth system. AMG wants to keep the development costs for this as low as possible because they are high enough anyway and they won't design new heads. The 275 cars for 2,275,000 Euro will pay them 625.625 million Euro back, which should be their development cost for this. If they spend more, they loose money. 4. I'm not sure if it will have adjustable ride height. On the technic model they presented a few years ago the heave damper looked manually adjustable, but no hydraulics. What we see on the Nurburgring pictures is the same as at the demo runs: That is no lift system, the car is pretty high, equally at front and rear. I guess they still have the very soft suspension we could see at the test runs and they need that space for wheel travel. I experienced the exact same problem in Formula Student when we calculated the rocker ratios wrong...
@@BSport320 Thanks for the detailed reply! On the subject of Mclaren P1, I would suspect the downforce claim is exaggerated. The 918 - which was found to be pretty much equally as fast on track - only achieves 207kg at 250km/h! Already the Mclaren is lighter and more powerful; if it also had a big downforce advantage, then I don't see how the Porsche would be able to match it. But then again, it's Porsche and the power a hybrid car actually has over a lap of track is somewhat harder to determine... The AMG One ride height seems very different from picture to picture: s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/2022-mercedes-amg-one-hypercar-breaks-down-at-the-nurburgring_7.jpg www.autorevue.cz/getthumbnail.aspx?w=1600&h=1000&q=60&id_file=248506814 The second picture is with the car running, but you can see that ride height on some other static pictures too and the picture was taken by another car, so it's not like it was taken at high speed when the downforce was pushing the car down. It really does look to me like it features adjustable ride height. I mean, I hope that's what it is (or some other weirdness exclusive to the prototypes) because with that much space in the wheel well the car would look pretty goofy.
The trouble is always that manufacturers claim something and we have to believe them because we usually cannot check. Some claim realistic numbers, some present some theoretical maximum values + some percent... So the first picture you sent is the actual prototype with its suspension setup and the second picture is an official one from AMG for PR purposes. Of course they want the car to look good and set it up lower. But every time the prototype drives it looks like an offroader and moves like a boat. I hope they will fix that and we will see some Nordschleife pictures soon.
Excellent questions! The only thing I am confident enough to say is in regards to the idle speed. The bore of the cylinder is much, much larger than the length of the stroke... The high idle speed is probably due to the fact that the crankshaft isn't spinning fast enough, and the stroke length is so short the piston speed would be far too low... The combustion event would have to be very "small" for lack of a better term... Meaning it wouldn't produce much usable work. I'm sure they don't want a heavy 5kg balancer on the crankshaft just to lower the idle speed. That would add rotational mass and lower rpm... Lower rpm =less power... Basically, the idle speed is the minimum necessary engine speed due to the piston speed. The F1 V10 engines and later V8 engines were capable of 18,000 to over 20,000 rpm - but the piston speed at 20,000 rpm is basically the same as a high performance road car at max rpm. Road cars use a longer stroke, so in order to achieve say 7000rpm the pistons speed of the road car would be roughly the same as the 20,000 rpm V10 engine. Because of the longer stroke and less cylinders, the pistons are traveling much further up and down inside the cylinder. The only comparison I can think of is 2 animals running next to each other - one is a theoretical spider with 8 legs and the other is a human. Both animals ran 1 km at the same exact speed. The crab has 8 legs, so to move it forward quickly it only needs to move each leg back and forth a small distance and at a low speed.. For the human, they only have 2 legs and therfore each leg travels really far back and forth so the human can cover the same distance. The feet of the human and the tip of the crabs legs are the pistons... If you looked at the crab in slow motion, you would see that the tips of its legs are not moving very far with each step it takes - but each leg takes more steps than the human.... The crab can divide the distance covered between 8 legs, the human only has 2 so each leg has to move a much longer distance.... But the end result is the same. Crab makes lots of little steps, human has to take long steps to move at the same speed and cover the same distance. I'm not the best at explaining things so hopefully that kinda makes sense - and I know legs and pistons are not directly comparable... I just used a dude and a crab to try making the point lol
I knew DTM got insanely expensive, but never knew it got more expensive than F1. Was that cost ration based on cost per two cars or the whole team since they were running many cars?
Seeing this, it seems like the amg project one is the kind of supercar that is luxurious and powerful, but not so much on handling, like those traditional bugattis
I don't understand this. Mercedes had a lot of trick work to create effective underbody aero for their F1 car. I can't see much of this on the Project One. Still, I look forward to seeing how things pan out. I see recently they were taking it to the Nordschleife. Thanks for the breakdown.
This car is a mess from a design standpoint. *What is the point in doing a direct transfer of a formula one engine and drivetrain to a road car, if that road car is going to be significantly heavier and have worse aerodynamics than the f1 car?* Keep in mind modern F1 engines don’t sound nearly as good as the older ones so all you really have going for it is the insane performance. But if the car is expected to be over 1100-1200kgs you’re not really getting insane performance either. You still very much in the ballpark of most hypercars. For this car to be something special in my opinion it should have been somewhere the weight class of the Gordon Murray t.50 along with much better aerodynamic design shaping. Despite the marketing hype from both the manufacturer as well as most of the automotive media, this car *WILL NOT BE AN F1 CAR FOR THE ROAD.* It’s more or less a very capable but typical hypercar with a gimmicky engine that is going to need a lot of maintenance and repairs. This car is a *disappointment* in my opinion.
I don't think it's very fair to call a road going car with a genuine F1 engine "pretty conventional". The aero might be conservative but that gorgeous engine/box/rear suspension setup isn't.
I’d really like to see how these 3 will play out honestly. Back when the holy trinity was launched, everyone talked about the P1 and La Ferrari. But in the end, the 918 was the one that tops them all despite being heavier and having far less downforce than the other two. Maybe the Project One will be the 918 of these trio. But that being said, nothing will beat the T.50 in terms of driver feel.
die alte dtm war einfach nur mega (heut turenwagen classic). aber selbst die dtm bis einschließlich 2018 war geil. in fm5 ist der project one einfach nur ein haufen schei** und das als covercar
From the way this car is presented in this video it does seem like AMG could have done better, especially in the aero department. However, I wonder how much of all that info is correct, after all its all deduced from a few horsepower, downforce figures and pictures from the net. I do like the video very much though, gave it 👍 for all the historical info on AMG that I did not know, it’s also nice to hear all the German names correctly pronounced. I also think that if AMG did play it safe on the aero side, they most definitely picked up points on the esthetic side because, the Project 1 is a far better looking hypercar than many of its competitors, the Senna and Valkyrie are ugly IMO.
the old dtm was just mega (now turenwagen classic). bat even the dtm up to 2018 (last v8 year) was hot. in fm5 the project one is just sh** and that as a cover car
The fact that went from idea to testing in 113 days for the AMG GT1 and then won every race must be one of the most amazing motorsport stories ever and hasn’t received the attention it deserves.
the fact that is 2024 and it's barely on customers hands must be the their lowest point
I think we need more cars like this T50, Valk, Project One - All have a purpose and inspired by motorsport. It's nice to see what manufacturers are capable of even if we can't afford them. 😄
To me car like Valkyrie is kinda pointless, a race car for the road never works as it will never be useable. So most will end up in a collection being displayed forever. T50 is different as it's designed to be driven in real world just it cost so much end up too valuable to be driven most of the time.
@@lcwpg Agree with you. But mine thinking was that their intention was to lobby for LMP1 Hypercar rules. But because they now with Stroll partners fully committed in F1 we will never see factory Valk support as was intended. But still is nice exercise for Automotive sector of company. Its nice project none less.
if we don't see them at a track racing they are basically useless, they'll all end up in storage collecting dust for years... all of those cars should've been LMHs
@@alesksander Aston martin could not afford to make their own engines how they wanna even go racing. Car like valkyrie is just for show casing the brand nothing more.
@@lcwpg Sure. Maybe was foolish for them even trying. I was just thinking yesterday. Maybe that bolt decision also contributed majorly in Stroll and his investors to invest their money on. Its showed company got talent, design team and somewhat vision to do something different in hard times. And bv i will just dispute and disagree "own engine" thing. Cosworth made bespoke engine towards their needs. Remember torque curve and shallow 65deg bank angle and high exhaust were all optimised for biggest venturi tunnels as possible. So in essence was manufacturer effort on budget.
Not gonna lie. Im disappointed with this car after watching this video. I thought this car was going to be much more than what it currently looks like
@Nicki Thiim go be a fake nicki thiim somewhere else
In other words: because of the F1 engine, it's going to be like no other car on the planet. Other than that, the other hypercars are much more innovative. Let's hope the setup is its redeeming quality, bc I'm expecting that Gordon Murray is going to produce a F1+ with the new T50.
Ehem
F1 espace
I'm trying my very best to comprehend every technical detail you explained...this is really educational and informative! I can't express how much I appreciate your effort to make these professional contents free to the public! Thank you! I learned a lot!
Thanks! Glad to hear!
Amazing video as always
Thank you very much!
Excellent video as always. Very on point with everything and no wasted time. Thank you.
Wonderful Quality Analysis as always
Glad you enjoyed it
Finally. I have been waiting for someone to do this.
A very informative video as always! I have a few questions, though, if you don't mind!
1. Are you sure the 675kg of downforce is at top speed? Mercedes has been claiming their downforce figures at the industry standard 250km/h - like the 400kg for the AMG GT Black Series.
It might also be possible that it reaches 675kg (or close to that figure) at 250km/h and this figure is then maintained up to the Vmax to protect tires and to avoid maxing out suspension travel. I wouldn't imagine they would develop a car with less downforce than the much lower positioned GT BS, not to mention a lot of the other supercars and hypercars. And I am sure they also must have paid attention to the Valkyrie, and in order to not get totally embarrassed by that car I would think they did everything they could to up the performance as much as possible.
2. Do you have any deeper info on the gearbox? Is it just a normal automated manual, or is it something more exotic? I wouldn't imagine they would go for a true dog ring sequential because of wear issues, but some small manufacturers have done it in the past (Gumpert Apollo, Ascari A10, Ariel Atom).
3. They had trouble getting the idle of the engine down. Why would that be an issue with variable valve timing, though? If you can dial less valve overlap at low rpm and still keep the high overlap at high rpm, what else is stopping the engine from running at low idle? Or are they keeping the original pneumatic valve system? I would thought that to be impossible. And if they put new heads on the engine, why wouldn't they go with a VVT system?
4. In the latest photos (when it broke down on the way to the N Ring) you can see the car is clearly raised - meaning it has adjustable ride height suspension. However, the suspension you can see on the early rolling chassis photos doesn't seem to include any elements that would allow this. Am I wrong, or have they had to rework the suspension to achieve the ability?
Very good points, thanks!
1. The only downforce information we currently have is from former AMG CEO Tobias Moers who gave an interview for Autocar in 2018 and said:
Downforce will be “approximately half the weight of the car”. Then he said the total weight of the car will be between 1300 and 1400kg (instead of originally less than 1200kg).
So the journalists took the middle (1350kg), divided it by 2 and said it will produce 675kg of downforce and every other magazin used that number too. We don't know the speed for that but it's likely he stated the maximum downforce it can produce to be competitive.
If this would be at 250km/h that would mean it would generate more than the McLaren P1 and looking at the Project One I would doubt that.
2. All I know is: automated, hydraulic, seven speed.
Would be interesting to know if the 7 speed system is now running in a 8-speed housing, since they originally designed it for 8 gears. Changing the gearbox shell could also move the suspension points here, which would be a lot of development work.
3. Problem would be the low stroke layout. These F1 engines have 80mm bore and only 53mm stroke. Normal road car engines have around 90mm stroke. So by design there is less inertia because of the small radius crank. And there is also no heavy flywheel to keep the engine running. You are right, valve timing can help, but you can only do so much. And like I said they didn't want to touch the Brixworth system. AMG wants to keep the development costs for this as low as possible because they are high enough anyway and they won't design new heads.
The 275 cars for 2,275,000 Euro will pay them 625.625 million Euro back, which should be their development cost for this. If they spend more, they loose money.
4. I'm not sure if it will have adjustable ride height. On the technic model they presented a few years ago the heave damper looked manually adjustable, but no hydraulics. What we see on the Nurburgring pictures is the same as at the demo runs: That is no lift system, the car is pretty high, equally at front and rear. I guess they still have the very soft suspension we could see at the test runs and they need that space for wheel travel.
I experienced the exact same problem in Formula Student when we calculated the rocker ratios wrong...
@@BSport320 Thanks for the detailed reply!
On the subject of Mclaren P1, I would suspect the downforce claim is exaggerated. The 918 - which was found to be pretty much equally as fast on track - only achieves 207kg at 250km/h! Already the Mclaren is lighter and more powerful; if it also had a big downforce advantage, then I don't see how the Porsche would be able to match it. But then again, it's Porsche and the power a hybrid car actually has over a lap of track is somewhat harder to determine...
The AMG One ride height seems very different from picture to picture:
s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/2022-mercedes-amg-one-hypercar-breaks-down-at-the-nurburgring_7.jpg
www.autorevue.cz/getthumbnail.aspx?w=1600&h=1000&q=60&id_file=248506814
The second picture is with the car running, but you can see that ride height on some other static pictures too and the picture was taken by another car, so it's not like it was taken at high speed when the downforce was pushing the car down. It really does look to me like it features adjustable ride height. I mean, I hope that's what it is (or some other weirdness exclusive to the prototypes) because with that much space in the wheel well the car would look pretty goofy.
The trouble is always that manufacturers claim something and we have to believe them because we usually cannot check. Some claim realistic numbers, some present some theoretical maximum values + some percent...
So the first picture you sent is the actual prototype with its suspension setup and the second picture is an official one from AMG for PR purposes. Of course they want the car to look good and set it up lower.
But every time the prototype drives it looks like an offroader and moves like a boat.
I hope they will fix that and we will see some Nordschleife pictures soon.
Excellent questions!
The only thing I am confident enough to say is in regards to the idle speed.
The bore of the cylinder is much, much larger than the length of the stroke... The high idle speed is probably due to the fact that the crankshaft isn't spinning fast enough, and the stroke length is so short the piston speed would be far too low... The combustion event would have to be very "small" for lack of a better term... Meaning it wouldn't produce much usable work.
I'm sure they don't want a heavy 5kg balancer on the crankshaft just to lower the idle speed. That would add rotational mass and lower rpm... Lower rpm =less power... Basically, the idle speed is the minimum necessary engine speed due to the piston speed.
The F1 V10 engines and later V8 engines were capable of 18,000 to over 20,000 rpm - but the piston speed at 20,000 rpm is basically the same as a high performance road car at max rpm.
Road cars use a longer stroke, so in order to achieve say 7000rpm the pistons speed of the road car would be roughly the same as the 20,000 rpm V10 engine. Because of the longer stroke and less cylinders, the pistons are traveling much further up and down inside the cylinder.
The only comparison I can think of is 2 animals running next to each other - one is a theoretical spider with 8 legs and the other is a human.
Both animals ran 1 km at the same exact speed.
The crab has 8 legs, so to move it forward quickly it only needs to move each leg back and forth a small distance and at a low speed..
For the human, they only have 2 legs and therfore each leg travels really far back and forth so the human can cover the same distance.
The feet of the human and the tip of the crabs legs are the pistons... If you looked at the crab in slow motion, you would see that the tips of its legs are not moving very far with each step it takes - but each leg takes more steps than the human.... The crab can divide the distance covered between 8 legs, the human only has 2 so each leg has to move a much longer distance.... But the end result is the same. Crab makes lots of little steps, human has to take long steps to move at the same speed and cover the same distance.
I'm not the best at explaining things so hopefully that kinda makes sense - and I know legs and pistons are not directly comparable... I just used a dude and a crab to try making the point lol
Very interesting video as usual B Sport:)
Wow, it's crazy that the CLK GTR was developed in only about 4 months... They must have had an army of engineers!
I knew DTM got insanely expensive, but never knew it got more expensive than F1. Was that cost ration based on cost per two cars or the whole team since they were running many cars?
Seeing this, it seems like the amg project one is the kind of supercar that is luxurious and powerful, but not so much on handling, like those traditional bugattis
It will be fast in some categories but I guess not luxurious.
Its shame. They should go full hyper or full crazy sedan with super efficient F1 engine. Now this project seems halfbacket in mine opinion.
?? what. This will beat anything besides the valkyrie on track. Bugattis handle really bad compared to other hypercars cause of their weight.
I don't understand this. Mercedes had a lot of trick work to create effective underbody aero for their F1 car. I can't see much of this on the Project One. Still, I look forward to seeing how things pan out. I see recently they were taking it to the Nordschleife.
Thanks for the breakdown.
The point is that the professional motorsport divisions within Mercedes (HWA and Brackley) haven't been involved in this project as far as I know.
Would you consider doing a similar video on the Valkyrie as well?
It's on my list!
How so heavy car does such nurburgring lap?
Very simple and safe design. But doesn’t live up to the hype. The Valkyrie and co are so much farther ahead.
didnt expect this to be a criticism piece but interesting nonetheless
When are they actually going to sell these cars though? Been hearing about it for years.
All 275 of them are already sold lmao
It's kind of disappointing that the valkyrie and t.50 have more interesting aerodynamics
The best Mercedes Benz
How about the Koenigsegg Jesko?
I’m on it, lots of new cars right now to talk about!
@@BSport320 perhaps an Essenza? Pagani Imola? Alfa 8c-R? 😏
This car is a mess from a design standpoint. *What is the point in doing a direct transfer of a formula one engine and drivetrain to a road car, if that road car is going to be significantly heavier and have worse aerodynamics than the f1 car?*
Keep in mind modern F1 engines don’t sound nearly as good as the older ones so all you really have going for it is the insane performance. But if the car is expected to be over 1100-1200kgs you’re not really getting insane performance either. You still very much in the ballpark of most hypercars. For this car to be something special in my opinion it should have been somewhere the weight class of the Gordon Murray t.50 along with much better aerodynamic design shaping.
Despite the marketing hype from both the manufacturer as well as most of the automotive media, this car *WILL NOT BE AN F1 CAR FOR THE ROAD.*
It’s more or less a very capable but typical hypercar with a gimmicky engine that is going to need a lot of maintenance and repairs. This car is a *disappointment* in my opinion.
Not specified at what speed the 675 kg downforce is achieved. Also, T50 does not make anything near that downforce.
I don't think it's very fair to call a road going car with a genuine F1 engine "pretty conventional". The aero might be conservative but that gorgeous engine/box/rear suspension setup isn't.
Compared to other roadcars with an F1 engine, I find the Renault Espace F1 much more exciting.
T.50 > Valkyrie > Project One
Change my mind
I’d really like to see how these 3 will play out honestly. Back when the holy trinity was launched, everyone talked about the P1 and La Ferrari. But in the end, the 918 was the one that tops them all despite being heavier and having far less downforce than the other two.
Maybe the Project One will be the 918 of these trio. But that being said, nothing will beat the T.50 in terms of driver feel.
@@devandrasimanjuntak1646 err from what I've read / seen, it's the other way around... 918 has never got any chance against P1, let alone La ferrari.
918 has proven to be faster around most tracks than both P1 and Laferrari
@@menschmenschson7504 Really i heard Mcl got best tires and aero for its model. Still 4×4 is huge advantage in low speed circuits i could imagine.
According to Forza Horizon 5...
877 HP
535 Ft/lb
1695 KG
imagine that for a downgrade 🙄
die alte dtm war einfach nur mega (heut turenwagen classic). aber selbst die dtm bis einschließlich 2018 war geil.
in fm5 ist der project one einfach nur ein haufen schei** und das als covercar
It's an impressive car, but compared to the Valkyrie and T.50 and even the Jesko this is disappointing.
What do you mean by "even" Jesko?
looks very porsche
From the way this car is presented in this video it does seem like AMG could have done better, especially in the aero department. However, I wonder how much of all that info is correct, after all its all deduced from a few horsepower, downforce figures and pictures from the net. I do like the video very much though, gave it 👍 for all the historical info on AMG that I did not know, it’s also nice to hear all the German names correctly pronounced. I also think that if AMG did play it safe on the aero side, they most definitely picked up points on the esthetic side because, the Project 1 is a far better looking hypercar than many of its competitors, the Senna and Valkyrie are ugly IMO.
Apart from the regime funded grand prix cars of the late 1930s, Mercedes didm't win that much until 1954 compared to Alfa Romeo.
God, its like porn but better.
the old dtm was just mega (now turenwagen classic). bat even the dtm up to 2018 (last v8 year) was hot.
in fm5 the project one is just sh** and that as a cover car
So, basically, the car is an extremely disappointing what could have been.
What a disappointment this car is. It doesn’t even look cool.