The MOST ANTICIPATED Adventure Bikes Of 2023
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
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The Worlds Largest Motorcycle Show, EICMA is just around the corner. Here are a few of the most anticipated adventure motorcycles on display. Will we see a few surprises this year?
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What's problematic about KTM's subscription software is that you've bought the bike at that point. They've sold you crippleware, where previously when you buy a bike the bike is yours, now you're buying the hardware & subscribing to a licence to use the software, without which the bikes features become limited. It should be a one-time fee. If you don't want all the features, don't buy them, but to be paying every month for it? NAH. That's like John Deere shutting down tractors if the farmer tries to service it himself.
makes sense Im guessing if you buy used then you have to take over the subscription
Damn straight. There is no angle where that looks good. Micro transactions to turn on heated seats, heated grips, or other things YOU'VE ALREADY PAID FOR is insane. Anyone defending or supporting it in any form is the enemy. That shit should be illegal.
I am looking at a KTM right now and I do not believe that turning on the software to enable the tech features after the trial period is a subscription. It is a one time fee. You get to try all the tech features when you buy the bike at no additional cost and at the end of the trial period you pay for individual capabilities or which packages of capabilities you want. You would have had to pay for it upfront without trying them before this. Now the buyer is able to make a more informed decision at no additional cost. I am not against it.
Example: I bought a 2022 Triumph Rocket 3 GT (triple black limited edition) and paid a lot for the Triumph connectivity package, which was added by the dealer. If I had been able to try it for a couple of months I would not have bought that expensive POS. Triumph's execution of that functionality is terrible. There are ways to work around it that are far better at much lower cost. I don't even use it! I had no idea it was as bad as it is before I paid for it. In fact, I took the bike back to the dealer and had them test it and they found not problems with it. I knew I was going to be in a different area a couple of weeks later and took it to a different dealer . I made an appointment with the dealer there and they tested it and checked it out and told me it works as designed. The technician there told me those units simply don't work very well but there is nothing wrong with mine. I read up on it and played around with it because I really wanted it to work. There isn't anything wrong with it. It works but it just sucks. I added that onto an already expensive bike and consider the Triumph connectivity package a giant waste of money. Other than that, love the bike.
@@bradleybaker8894 There is just one thing that you need to consider in your argument. No company sells you a bike at a loss. So all components inside the bike at the time of purchase are paid by you and they make a profit out of the bike evan if you don't buy the extra features. Of course they are expecting extra margin when all purchases are sumed up because you can average the extra package purchases through all the sells. But this only means that the person that would not want any of the extras is paying extra for something that they do not want (because the bike without any extras could be cheaper to produce and sold cheaper as well). Of course you make a great point about the ability to try features but I would prefer a way to test them without affecting the possible price of a bearer bone bike.
@@lululuvieira a few points to consider. KTM is a premium product and not a bargain basement bike. The price alone steers many people to other brands. I have no info on their balance sheets or profit per model. I do know they sell every bike they make. Many models are simply not available even if you walk into the dealer waving a suitcase full of cash at them. So, they aren’t going to lower their prices and since they sell out their production run each year I doubt they care if they lose a few potential customers. Someone else will buy that bike at the price listed.
It is less expensive for any company to make all their bikes in the same physical configuration. The difference is what software runs the features you elect to pay for. In KTMs sales model you get to try it all at no cost. Then pay for what you want. If you don’t want the technology enabled capabilities, don’t pay for it. If you want a bare bones bike, you can have that and not pay for what you don’t want.
I’ve worked as a product manager for tech products and on my products the software was a major cost driver during development. Any company that incurs a development cost passes that on to the buyer. In KTMs case, only those that want the capability that the software enables pay for it. That seems fair.
I called dozens of shops. Trying to get my name on a wait list to get a T7 in the next 6 months. Somehow......SOMEHOW, I called the one shop, 2 hours from home, that had one delivered TODAY. I locked that joker in and sent the money over right at MSRP. Pick it up tomorrow. Looking forward to the ride.
Ha. For me, this past summer, it took 55 calls to dealerships before I found one coming in within the month. I paid hefty freight charges, etc, but I secured it, broke it in, and rode it to Alaska. Great bike. Have fun.
You'll love it, over 10k miles on my T7 in a year! New tires around 6k miles and it totally transforms the offroad performance.
Great bike, it's a total pig to lift. Highly recommend getting a high mount exhaust and some crash protection but it's my first adv bike and it's been a blast and has given me more fun without risking my license 😀
Disagree with the KTM Sub model - because.... ALL of the hardware and software is already ON the bike. If it was an optional extra you selected in the original order - then fair enough.. You have the choice to have it fitted - or not. However, as indicated, ALL of this hardware and software is on the bike already. They just charge you EXTRA to be able to fully use something you already own??? F insanity. I certainly would NEVER buy a bike or car under these restrictions. It's simply blackmailing customers, forcing them to spend more. IMHO....
Do you know if you can pick one feature and keep it or is it an all or nothing Also I havent seen a price listed or I couldnt find one like how much is it monthly or can you lump sum pay it Lots of questions When I get more time I will do a deep dive on it
Or maybe they could just charge extra in the original sale price, just because they install the hardware doesn’t mean the functionality is included in the price. Putting everything in upfront lowers cost of production, if you want particular features you have to pay for them. It’s not a difficult concept. Stop complaining
@@Corey-pd3mi why should people stop complaining?if you happy with paying for things that should be standard,good for you,not all of us are.had the same shit with the 690,have to pay for a dongle just to switch off the front abs.ktm's are awesome but they won't be the brand I'll support next time.
@@timreed2047 they should be standard, why? It would only increase the price and reduce choice for different customers? Not everyone wants all those features, they are able to cover all types of buyer. those that want all the technology pay for it, those that don’t want it, don’t.
Why you should grt a bike at this pricing while you are under their mercy where you had to pay for using there program already build in. I never buy
one anyway there are lot you can choose from .
*_Oh man, I can't wait to see when these actually hit the showroom floors. Thanks for putting this together. Great Vid._*
You bet!
Love the content. Subscribed after I stumbled on your channel earlier this week as I was doing more research before I bought a 2019 crf450L yesterday! Super happy with my purchase and thankful for your videos to help the decision.
Awesome, thank you!
I'm looking forward to whenever the new RE 450 Himalayan is released, looks good in the photos of the test mule that have been spotted out and about. Love the philosophy of the Himalayan but it just doesn't have enough power in its current form for what I'd need it for
You and me both!
Well I am very surprised by my mods on my 2019 Himmy.Evap.delete,homemade $2.00 booster plug,high flow air filter and basic ATV freedflow exhaust"longer one the shortie kills torque" and most important is the Hitchcock's cam.Now it has all it needs and no knocking ,pinging engine noise as stock.Everything has nominal benefit until you do the cam then Bam.A easy 30 h.o. and 30 ft.lbs
Yep, I’m really looking forward to my next new adventure bike.
I’m leaning hard toward the BMW R1250 GSA.
I have a Honda CRF300 Rally, and a Kawasaki KLR650, but really want something that can tackle off-road trails, and also hit the highway for some high speed touring.
Thanks for the good and thorough review.
Good job and realy good info, also you have a great place to test and ride all the bikes,thanks and great job...
The new midweight dual purpose bike should be called DR800T because it's way closer to the DR lineage than to the V-twin models (remember where the V came from?). And the looks of the new bike are clearly inspired by the vintage DR models.
Electric vehicles don't rid us of emissions, they simply displace where the emissions happen.
That is true
Which is helpfull .. and if you have your own solar .. its freakingly magic
Thats not true. Theres an efficiency difference. Even if you used 100% coal to get your Tesla's charge up, itd still cut the CO2 use by over half
@@Austin6403 Electric vehicles take more energy to create, with the battery being the largest driver of the carbon footprint. Studies are showing that a typical electric vehicle will offset their modern internal combustion engine counterparts in about 3-5 years of use. Till then it is (dealing with averages here) more "green" to drive the ICE. Combine that with a study out of Turkey where they had to replace the batteries in their eclectic fleet after 4 years and we can push that estimate of 3-5 years back even further. This is all taken on top of the very real fact that there is not enough rare earth materials to produce the batteries needed to replace ICE completely with today's technology.
In short, all I'm saying is that electric vehicles are nascent and do not solve our climate issues. They aren't for everyone and until the battery technology improves, all I can really see them as is clever marketing.
@@jacobdallas7396 everything you just said is factually false. Please watch it explained by engineering. ua-cam.com/video/6RhtiPefVzM/v-deo.html
Here to help the algorithm and our man Goon!
You are too kind and I thank you
I have ridden the T7 Rally raid in the UK. It is very good. The have dropped the centre of gravity a lot with moving the fuel further down the frame.
Can't go wrong with the old faithful xr 650 👍
nope you cant it was on my " Most Unbreakable Dual Sport " List A while back
The Suzuki Vstrom 1050 DE actually surprised me... because I could not believe thay Suzuki would ever finally give us more ground clearance and a 21" front. I might actually buy one since I love my 2020 650 so much, buy would not mind a bump is power and a 21 in front at all.
they did a lot of upgrading to that bike too bad no different styling
Still a paltry 160mm suspension ?? I wish they'd gone to the RMZ spare parts bin...
It's just a marketing.
@@BornAGoon does this ‘23 DE have the rumoured i2, taking the V out of the Strom? Most others have gone i2, so Suzuki should be up for it around 2525 🤣
Got a new sub here!
I found you when a Supermoto vid came into my recommend list! Def loving your vids been watching all of them
Thanks for the sub and the kind words
You have one of the best shticks about subscribing that I've heard. Very true and from the heart. Got my sub buddy!!! Do you have any advice for a big dude 6 foot 1 and 3 bills on what full size adventure bike to look at?
Only 6.29K subscribers?!?! That’s gonna go WAY WAY up.
I’m really impressed by this video. Quality b roll, on point info, good sound on the voice over… yeah this will be Million Plus in no time.
Keep up the good work, for sure it will pay off.
Kudos
That makes two of us! This guy & his video has got it together!
Agreed,high quality video!
Thank you for the kind words I hope so
Thank you I appreciate that
Thank you
The KLR 650s is the Adventure Bike I'm intrested in. With a 30" inseam - a shorter seat height is very appealing to me. And the machines are basically bulletproof !
You may want to look at the Suzuki DR650 also. My brother inlaw used to have one when I had my XR650l. I think the seat height on the DR650 is designed to be lowered if needs be. Watch some comparison videos :-)
@@momoski68 Thanks for the tip ! I'm looking at all sorts of bikes online right now. But I'm thinking an Adventure Bike would suit me best.
The Ducati Scrambler Desert Sled is a great ADV bike that only needs a windscreen, crash bars, panniers, personal extras (All readily available online). The seat height and cockpit are perfect for 30" to 32" inseam riders. I bought one 2 weeks ago, it is the most under rated bike that no one talks about. Fantastic on the freeway up to triple digit speeds. Built for real off road use (they raced 2 in the Mint 400 and won by over 40 minutes which was also the quickest time ever). Lighter feeling and much more nimble than the KLR or DRZ. Lots more torque (L twin engine), fast revving, tons of fun. Great electronics with excellent ABS that can be turned off.
Had a KLR650 2018 it was the greatest motorcycle I've ever had. I went all the way to Moab and ride it in six different states. There is just only one main con can't keep up with traffic and if you need to pass someone or speed up it's not there. Once you pass 70/80mph that's it.
Glad to see your riders out by Tenple of the Sun and Temple of the Moon. I got some early photos of that area before there were nice roads…it was all off road 4wd. Very cool place.
The VStrom DE is really something ❤ Now am happy with the 650 VStrom and might switch to 1050DE 😂
Man I was seriously considering an 850, but I’m definitely gonna wait for the transalp
Hope that bike is available soon
what 850? an AT850? wont come after the have the Transalp out...wouldnt make any sense
@@scottyaustria Scotty, I suggest you walk into your nearest BMW motorcycle dealer and ask them to see the 850 adventure bike. They will explain it to you.
are you ecxpeting anybody to do mind reading? nobody was talking about a BMW , you didn't mention a BMW..... so the next time be more specific about which 850 your talking about...
@@scottyaustria anyone who’s actually knows motorcycles knows what I’m talking about.
Got to test ride the Zero DXR and man it is so much fun, but not ready to shell out that much cash for it. Definitely willing to zip around town while I’m close to charging stations but wouldn’t want to take it on a long adventure just yet
That was another thing I left out the dang bike is 25k geez.
@Alain “ADV Biking” A 12lk .. but batt could last for 20 years .. the problem is that zero has zero service .. dont buy ! .. buy energica or tacita or .. stark varg !!! Thats the shit
Thank you for opening my eyes and ears to the CFmoto 800T. I actually work at a dealership that carries the CFMoto line and didn’t know about this very attractive offer. Highly considering selling my 07 CBR600RR and switching gears a bit. Fantastic video!!
KTM 790 ADV Rider Here. If i we're to buy a new bike in today's market and all it offers, i'd gravitate to the Transalp, or even wait for what Suzuki has up their sleeve. Making me buy the QS-Software separately to the already installed mechanical components was already a scammy move, tbh.
It feels scammy yes Im excited about the Honda
before you sign to buy after they got all the paper work ready say , well I don't know I will sign if you unlock everything , what's a few key strokes on a computer that cost pretty much nothing.
Good video! Put CF Moto in the radar for me. Will look more into them because they sure look beautiful and not cheap
Let me know if you get one
Kawa copies
Not the 800. The 650 used the er6 engine
Having ridden a VStrom 1000 for several years now I have to say that I want to stick with a VTwin. I’d go for the new Strom it’s the best value. Screw KTM, they are too expensive
Kove 450 rally pro has answered the question of a light weight adv bike , we have to wait for it actual performance , but if it fulfills the expections , it will be a handfull
You've always been able to buy a customer 'RFR' version of both the 690 and 450cc KTM Dakar Rally bikes (as long as you know the right dealer) - it's part of the homologation process which allows them to race in that FIM category.
Thank you
KTM had Factory Rally bikes with extra tanks and road books dating back to at least 2000, we had one on our showroom floor.
I think Suzuki will keep growing with their adventure bikes! The De is a big step up In Advancement. I really think in the next few years Suzuki may be the sleeper to watch. With that being said I still think I would by a V strom over the africa twin especially for longer rides. Thank you for the video!!
I hope Suzuki catches up
DL700?
@@larrydoyle907 yea! The really don't have anything close to yahama in that market!..
@@opt4 I see they have launched a DL800 at eicma but like the transalp it has tubed tyres so I stopped reading at that point - am going to change my T7 for a Tuareg next year as I really don't need tubed tyres (neither will anyone buying a new transalp or DL800).
I just sold my 2021 Tenere 700 and am looking for a CRF300L Rally.The Tenere is just too big and heavy.
Great review of the bikes. I have the 890 with the techpack I think it's a great bike. I disagree with paying for the tech pack that's what makes it an awesome bike to ride.
To maintain the settings when you shut the switch off is the most important feature.
Looking forward to checking out the transalp. But it's hard to beat the lightweight power-hungry 890...
Is the tech pack an ongoing subscription or a one time fee? Nobody seems to know. Maybe you could fill us in.
It's a one-time fee
@@CaptainRon1913 it's a one time to fee to use software that's already on the bike. It's a price gouge no matter what the lovers of KTM say. The software is already developed, already figured in to the cost of development. Now they're just getting more ROI from the gullible types.
Awww, my personal Moto-Buddy? Your so sweet!
Being in Australia and having the luxury of being able to ride a t700, my thoughts are you don't need electronics on that bike. I haven't ridden the 890 but own a norden 901 and I've gotta say, the electronics on that bike are amazing and necessary with all that power on tap.
good points thanks for commenting
Rubbish, learn how to ride and what thingy oni the right handle br does, jeez.
electronics to control the power is it a case of to much power . its the curse of modern technology
@@kepa504 My guess is that if you don't want the rider aids or that much power, then you would be best to save your money and buy a less premium motorcycle that will better suit your needs. Horses for courses, I would suggest.
You're right. Suzuki could have released a V-strom 650 with a 21" front wheel and longer suspension travel, and they could have done so at any time over the last 15 years and it would have been successful.
Could have easily snatched a market but didnt
I love my 2012 650 Vstrom. Still going like new with 70000 on the clock. 400 KMs to a tank is so nice
wow 70k
@@BornAGoon I'm quite confident it'll easily make it to 100k.
Which is pretty good compared to most vtwins (cough cough Harley Ducati).
I got it a couple years ago with 30k KMs on it for 4 grand.
Same... Too much affordable fun
The pipes give a bike soul!
Frankly I'm waiting for a 450cc rally style single cylinder with long maintenance intervals (think Honda 450l rally). That's my unicorn. Until then my Honda cb500x with rally raid kit is pretty darned close.
That's my dream bike! The crf 450l is nice but I don't want to deal with the high maintenance. Windshield and fuel tank can always be added later (but would be nice to have stock) but the maintenance intervals are the most important part of making it the perfect (for me) adventure bike. All of the listed bikes in the video are too heavy for the riding I like to do.
DR-Z400S. Add a big-bore and hot cams. A Safari tank and a screen can make it look like a rally moto.
@@RKmndo why hasn't suzuki done this yet. It seems so obvious for sales. Same engine, EFI, 6 speed gearbox, bigger fuel tank, rally kit.
There's quite a few Chinese options coming with zongshens nc450 engine, which is decent! I've not tried any complete bikes though
@@RKmndo 5 gears tho
My friend owns a cf Moto and I have ridden them myself. Build quality is surprisingly good and they look just as good in person as they do in photos. I’m super excited for the 800 mt
Totally agree. I know they are dirtbikes, but Kayo is another brand of Chinese bike that don't look cheap
That is a sharp bike!!
There's a CFMoto dealership here in town and I'm really impressed with their presentation. I wouldn't know they were a Chinese bike if no one told me.
That said, I can't get behind buying one. China has a really, really bad reputation that precedes it in every way. I'm scared that actual slaves) political prisoners are building them.
@@GunsNBudder China manufacturers are famous for not supporting their products. Cheap components, nuts bolts, breaking, etc...
I own a CF MOTO 800MT and it is great! Unbelievable value for money. It is NOT an off road adventure bike but it is an excellent adventure tourer. Brilliant on the bitumen and brilliant on dirt roads. Capable on trails but like I said its not designed or sold to compete with a KTM 890 Adventure R. Build quality is excellent, comfort is excellent and after owning many bikes I have to say this is right up there as one of my favourites.
CCM Spitfire Blackout Edition is super underrated. pros: $11,800, 306lbs wet, & 60hp. Down sides sadly can't get 1 in the states, 19" front wheel, Scrambler setup so may not be the best for standing without modifications risers/ new handle bars, stubby suspension travel vs adventure offerings, 4.7 in. stock but adjustable. avg adventure bike is about 8"
Have you ridden one of these It looks sweet
Yeah but it's not an adventure bike, it's something for hipsters to ride about town on. I bet you will never find anyone riding one off road. It's too bad CCM stopped making real adventure bikes, I own a 644 and it's a great bike.
I’m 73 now and riding a BMW 1200GS. I’m looking at downsizing a bit to something in the 400 pound range. I really like that new T7 and Transalp but in the end I’d probably go with the new KTM 890 Adventure. I’m curious as to what will change with the KTM 690 also (the KTM rep said it’s getting a better Instrument cluster for 2023).
I would opt for a Taureg before the KTM or T7, very lightweight and well equipped for 13k.
@@davidwelsh829 that Is a nice bike bit the closest dealer is 150 miles away. Id love to ride one.
How about Husqvarna Norden availability in US? Same like 890 but much nicer
@@HuBo485 I like the Norden, my dealer sells both KTM and Husqvarna but doesn’t have either at this time. I’m coming to grips with my age related limitations so I might be sticking with the 690/701 platform. To be honest the SM versions are a consideration also.
I’m 70 and have pretty bad arthritis. I traded my 1200 GSA for a Husqvarna Norden 901. And I’m loving it! It’s so much lighter. ♥️
Paul from Australia, the CFMoto 800 is in Australia as is the T7, 890 etc etc , the CFMoto build quality isn’t that good , BUT neither is the Husky 901 . I think 🤔 manufacturers are more about money 💰, profit then after sales service or reliability in some cases ( like the KTM 790 ) The new Suzuki 1050 XT strange thing is the rear wheel is tubeless and front has a tube - they must have ran out of money 💰 or was an after through bike .
I love my hubble RE HIMALAYAN. Works great in new zealand outback. Dont need electronics no need powerful motor to have same fun as big motorcycle.
Thanks for sharing
Love the "Patterson footage" of the Honda, can't find a Tennere in SW Florida to save my life, I do like the Tiger 900, just wish the engine still made the same raspy sound the old ones made.
Thank you Lots of Teneres here in Vegas if you want to spend 15K for a used one lol
@@BornAGoon There was actually one used model for 12,000, it had 4000 in upgrades and about 1000 miles on the clock, it lasted for one day on cycle trader.
Nice seeing a Honda that won't need to be in the shop like KTM
I’ve ridden the CFMOTO 800MT and you’re right, build quality is pretty good and it’s definitely more street biased. It is noticeably too heavy though and it’s plastics won’t take a hot like a KTM’s. It’s incredible value for money though and the only big con against it is the ABS can’t be switched off for dirt use.
Did you like the ride of the CF Was it smooth
@@BornAGoon honestly no complaints. I haven’t ridden a 7/890 so can’t directly compare but it rode totally fine. Heated seat was a godsend too.
Remove the abs fuse 😉 or run your own switch from its power line.
Could you imagine if the Transalp actually looked like the concept?
The vstrom looks great. Nice retro looks w a modern touch.
It does!
Zero "Adventure Bike" clearly fills the same need as most BMW GSA's, KTM 1290 Adventures and Harley PanAmerica's. Owners will kit them out with luggage suitable for Kate WInslet's trip across the Atlantic, hang lights, cameras and all manner of crash-guards all over them, then equip themselves with thousands and thousands of dollars of extreme body-armor expedition-wear, and regularly (at first anyway) fire them up, ah I mean to say, switch them on, for a non-stop sojourn for dozens of miles to the local moto-cafe Saturday and Sunday mornings to park alongside all the Hardcore Outlaw Accountant and Project Manager's Harley's.
Here out west, where larger "Adventure Bikes" at least sort of make sense due to the vast distances we have to traverse, The "Zero-Adventure" bike, with its 85-mile range at 70mph and 50-or-so mile range at 80 mph (Honestly, when was the last time you rode on the interstate at only 70?) will have no option but to stay around town unless accompanied by a support truck with a 5K generator.
Before you heap hate all over me, I am currently on my third Beemer RT (wore out the first two), put 10's of thousands of miles on an '04 Beemer GSA, did the same with a Katoom 950 Adv R, but have gotten wise (old) enough to realize that the "Adventure" should not be trying to figure out how to either keep upright, or alternatively, pick up 500# or more of soul-torturing folly.
Truly wish Honda's new offering were to be a 450 Transalp coming in well-below 400# dry, with a 6+ gallon fuel capacity, beefy sub-frame and 5000 mile minimum service interval. A fat wide torque curve and power output that does not require electronic intervention to control would go a long-way as well in delivering a usable off-pavement "Adventure Bike".
Thanks for commenting and sharing
Lol I'm just over here giggling in '99 KLR 650.
with 39 horsepower. LOL
Fun isn't dependent on HP
@@viralsheddingzombie5324 less than that even
"Damn Yamaha, we gave you Bob Hannah" .... And DONT forget it! lol
Love the single track shots in the desert.
Thank you
KTM needs to focus on making their bikes as reliable as the T7 and Hondas.....demo modes are a distraction.
Ktm soon will make additional subscription for the reliability 😁
Himalayan 450 is coming next year. maybe around march 2023 here in India.
nice let me know whe you get them
Great vid, Thx 👍🏼
Not a complaint, but a question, because I genuinely do not know; how does Triumph fit in to this mid-weight segment? Not just product wise, but availablity, dealer support, parts, user experience, etc.? I live in southern Utah and have not seen a single one.
Yes I think the Tiger 800 is right on the middleweight fence and in 2024 we may see a Tiger 660 I have a Tiger 800 and I love it You can look around my channel and see my reviews I beat the piss out of that bike and it just keeps running
We have the tiger 660 in Aus. They come restricted bit pricey imo opinion for what you get $15k, better options for less with better support too.
Here's a vision all will remember..
the smell of a Lawn Boy lawnmower in the Mid 60's W/ real Leaded gas.. so memorable..
8:16 - Nope, there is no "However....." KTM effed up big time and lost my business for the time being and offline, there are a dozen or so people I had the chance to talk about this and they all felt the same way. KTM can go fly a kite!
it does suck I will do a follow up video we I get more details
True KTM are fools for underestimating the consequences of their rip off system. Do any other manufactures like Aprilia or Honda or Kawasaki treat their customers this way ? As the market changes they will not attract new business. Imagine buying a new RSV4 Factory and then having to decide what electronics you want to keep AFTER you own the bike and paid for those electronics in the purchase price.
how hard is it to comprehend that it is not a subscription but just a 1 time fee , and you could ride the bike 20+ years without ever paying it , the demo mode simply allows the rider to try out those options before having to decide wether to pay for them or not
@@justsomedude445 Did I mention subscription? I understood it correctly as a one-time fee which, imho, is still a lousy money-grub tactic and unacceptable for this type of product, period!
So I've just learned of an off-brand bike that I really want to get my hands on, curious if you've come across it. Seems kind of up your alley, too.
The APJ PR7. It's a 600cc single cylinder with 300mm front and rear Sachs adjustable suspension. No ABS/TC. A rally screen on front gives it decent highway capability. It even includes a Samsung tablet mounted behind the rally screen... not that a fancy trip computer makes for a selling point for a bike like this, but it's a nice touch.
I just got an Aprilia Tuareg 660 this year after agonizing between a Husky 701 Enduro and the Tuareg. I went with the Tuareg because no matter where I go, I have an hour (or more) of highway to ride before I get to dirt. I might have gone with the PR7 instead had I known about it back this summer.
Yes I have I tried to get one to test but they are in short supply Thanks for bringing that one up
Fyi the waiting lists for these bikes a ridiculous
Great vid and you sound like Saul Goodman 😊
Better call Saul
I have a 2021 T7. USA. I'm really curious to see the Transalp in real life and sit on it just for the feel. Also, the price will be very interesting to see. Not much else other than you do a great job with your videos.
Thank you I appreciate the kind words
was hoping Honda would release the Honda 450L Rally......
Yea me too maybe next year Things take so long these days That KTM Dakar bike though is legit
You and me both. That's the unicorn.
Really, the one thing - THE ONE - that KTM needs to work on is reliability. That's it. They don't need to worry about, "new hotness," or any other bro-gear on their bikes. Their bikes already are the pinnacle of performance and excitement in so many categories and metrics one could measure a bike by. The one area KTM falls flat on their face in is... faith. When I had my KTM I had no faith in the bike that it was going to start all the time, run reliably, or hell, I didn't even have faith the front rim was going to stay true and hold air when I went over pot holes. (Ask me how I learned that last, nasty little lesson)
Perhaps instead of, "Ready to Race," KTM's slogan and mission statement they nees to follow is, "Built to Last." Once they've got reliability down, then they can focus on go-fast shit again.
Yes that is a problem for KTM they rush their bikes to market
@@BornAGoon I Had one ktm and the the frame broke now I own 2 betas with no issues.
Still can't beat the t7 imo. Great video!
Thank you
What about the 450 LC and 650 twin Royal Enfield Himalayans? Great bikes for pocket change and on a well proven platform....
You forgot Kawasaki’s Versys X-400!!! Wait….. yeah, they won’t make one!!!!!😢
Yea no Kawi :(
I am waiting for RE Himalayan 450.
It will be nice to see that
Great video. I noted that you flashed up an image of the Benelli TRK702. How about the Benelli TRK800 - which was supposed to have come out last year, but looks like it will be 2023. That will rival the CF MOTO 800MT I think.
Yea that one is good too Lots of stuff to look at this year
I don't know about all these other bikes but the one that I'm really considering is the CF Moto 650 realistically it's little bit bigger than a 400 looks good with and without the pioneers and it's not a super huge or heavy overweight $950cc it's actually practical for trails maybe the 17-in rims aren't ideal but you can still get Big blocks
650 Aventura and because the bike has been out in other states there's a pretty good aftermarket support for it
Let's be real at 8:50 is going to be way too big for the dirt
The problem with KTM's demo mode, is that all of the features are already installed on the new motorcycles. KTM has already gone to the expense of installing the hardware and the software, including the extra expense of developing and installing software to turn features off. Everything you need is already on the motorcycle, you paid for it, they just won't let you use it.
I agree. If I was keen on the bike I would just tell the dealer that all features are permanent or I walk. The truth is that at the price point, I don't think the bike is worth the money with the features activated anyway but if that is your thing.
I agree. It’s already on the Bike when you Pay for it. Just to have it turn off, and Pay again to turn it back on! That’s a bunch of BS. No KTMs for me. If we don’t take a Stand now, all the Bikes will end up coming that way!
You absolutely hit the nail on the head about the KTM strategy and people will complain regardless of how they approach. People complain about having pay extra for these features, but if KTM included it all baked into the price of bike, then others would complain that they don’t want to be forced to have all these rider aids.
No matter what you do, some group will bitch and moan about how they want it different.
well there is definitely truth to that for sure lol
id really rather just pay up front for features and for how expensive ktms are i dont think its that much of a stretch for the rider stuff to be a standard feature. this is just the klim airbag vest thing all over again
You're missing the point, it is still all fitted, they are just turning off your ability to use it. It will start with a a one-off cost then end up having to cough up monthly to keep something already fitted to your bike operating.
@@shardlake YES! its the same shit zero is trying to pull and its stupid. why would i pay money for hardware and then pay a subscription for the software to enable features!?
@@shardlake so there is confirmation of a reoccurring fee?
I am 67 years old, haven’t ridden bikes since a Handa 500 in early 70’s. What would you suggest now? I will need some serious schooling, but I want to get back to it before I croak. Thanks for any wisdom you can share! Great video!
I'll be watching CF Moto reviews with interest. As I get closer to 80, my 1290SAS may get too heavy for me so that may be an option.
A lot of interest with the CF moto
They've been released in Australia and other parts of the world in February so plenty info out there
I just want a 2023 Yamaha WR 350R with a 3.5 or a 4 gallon fuel tank from the factory . Is that two much to ask for ? 🙄
Just got back from a rip on my wrr. Another 100cc and better torque would be so nice.
Now THAT would get my attention!! Might even consider swapping my WR250 for it!!
KTM we will never go for a subscription for parts we have paid for.
Subscriptions suck
good thing it is not a subscription and never was then huh
You only covered the heavy and mid-weight adventure bikes, what about the lightweight ones? Any changes for Versys X 300, BMW G310GS or any of the other sub 700cc bikes?
I need to do another video
I'm looking to get my first dual sport or adventure bike. I've had many years of desert riding with my yz450 and yz250. If you had to pick a bike capable of riding hard in the desert while having good reliability and ok mileage what would you suggest?
Dead wrong about ebikes. We are decades from that tech being valid for long trips and more efficient than ICE. . Not to mention, battery powered vehicles are far more harmful to the environment than ICE. Great video, just dead wrong about e-bikes.
Maybe I am yes Thanks for watching
Please, add the new Moto Morini on your list. I saw a picture and it looked beautiful. It's definitely worthy of mention and a test. Wow, it's a looker like the Ducati Desert X.
Man, all those cacti give me the willies!
They can bite you lol
Hope there is an adventure bike fit for the smaller asian size individual, 500cc up kind of heavy, wrestling it across narrow mountain dirt, gravel, muddy roads
Not just smaller Asian individuals... My jaw drops everytime I see these new "adventure" bikes that are ponderous behemoths at 650, 750, or 900cc and above. I've done some rough offroad riding in my day, and I would NEVER choose one of these bikes! It's like the manufacturers don't think weight or agility matters at all offroad. To me, that matters the most. Give me a solid 350 or 450cc offroad performer and IMO, that is the ultimate adventure bike size.
Great video, dude. Meanwhile the 2023 DRZ-400 has bold new graphics.
Yes even cheaper its just a white bike with a sticker
Thanks god bless
Good vid
thank you
Check out the Colove Rally 450, soon to be imported into the US as the GPX 450 Rally... Might be the unicorn people have been waiting for ;-)
Thank you for mentioning those
Hi, just wondering if there’s any news about the return of the Honda falcon please!
I’ve got one (2011) and really struggling for parts, hope they return with the same motor for them parts !!
Any shaft drive bikes on the list? I need a new bike and I dislike riding my old shadow 600 on gravel, mostly because it gets the chain super dirty.
KTM 890 Adventure R is the Alpha- Period ( ok..ok...that's my opinion...these are all awesome rides!) Great video!
I'm loving my fuel injected two-stroke and I'm going to keep loving it for a long time. And when the fuel injection fails I'll go back to a card.
everybody loves a good 2 smoker
We need more bikes like the T7
You certainly gained my attention, gooood shit......
Thank you
Transalp raced in the Dakar in the 80's
The KTM model is like riding with the crash bars strapped to the back of the bike.
What is the Honda that you have pictured in your ad for the vlog as it does not appear in the vlog........
I used to have a Suzuki DR800 Big. I want a new DR 400 =D
The styling on the CF Moto looks bad ass
its not so bad looks a little big but also built well
Sure it sounds good on paper but how long until the ignition is subscription based?
The Tenere Blue…yes
i traded a Guzzi V85tt for a CFmoto MT800 and love it.
My local dealer has like 3 T7s in stock at 10,299 brand new. Im thinking of buying it but i might go budget with a klr650 or ktm 390 adv since it will be my first ever bike
No mark up ? Location ?
I bought a MG 85TT cause of the lower seat height and the fact I'm older and only 5'9" which makes over a 33' seat height to high for my toes to barely touch the ground.