ExMormon Reacts to "BANNED Mormon Cartoon"
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Here I rate how accurate I think this "Banned" Mormon cartoon is as an ExMormon. They make the faith seem crazy but to be honest, Mormonism is a liiiiiittttttllleee crazy.
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There were many exmorom Christians that were involved with the film and Cartoon.
So, people like Sandra tanner who actually understood some of the hidden teachings of Mormonism that Missionaries don't learn or teach to investigators.
As an LDS church historian, she learned much more than what she was officially taught.
These came out in the late 70's early 80's.
Mormons can only CYA these as they now claim only the highest level of the Celestial kingdom would get their own planet.
So they can say NOW that's not true for all Mormons .
But it was taught for all worthy Mormons in the past.
Temple rituals have changed since the 70's and the audio tapes that I have from these same people who actually recorded the rituals of the Temple.
BTW, same God: unique persons : NOT separate gods.
Fun fact: that song you sang early in the video? The tune is an old English one.
It's used in a lot of songs, including 'Star of the County Down.'
Made for men by men: Muslims & Mormons can have endless celestial sex
It is one papyrus, two papyri.
Our favorite ex-mormon reacts to the worst episode of he-man we've seen so far 😂😂😂
Okay this gets compared to he-man all the time and I've never seen he-man! I feel so culturally clueless sometimes 😂
@alyssadgrenfell HAHAHAHA it's probably compared to he-man because of the animation style, the planets, and the fantasy. If you watch an episode, I think you'll get the same vibes 😂😂
@@alyssadgrenfellIt’s the same animation style, most common and popular in the ‘70s, see my comment on this video. It’s a thing.
Oh my word screaming at the accuracy
So...... what you're saying is that Joseph Smith was Skeletor and that Brigham Young and Martin Harris were Beast Man and Hordak?
I never realized the Mormon faith was such an intense sci-fi fantasy novel 😅
I think thats why so many fantasy writers are mormon. They literally beleive in that intricate of an existence.
"Battle Star Galactica" , for example .
The funny thing is to hear Mormons say the exact same thing about Scientology.
it's giving scientology
@@bellsy4622 I was going to make the exact same comment.
Mormonism seems like a religion where fanfiction written by men got out of hand.
34:17 The quote from Spencer Kimball reminds of South Park, when Cartman said to Kyle, in a moment of kindness, "Remember when I said you were a dirty Jew? Well, I didn't mean it, you're not a Jew." And Kyle yelled, "YES I AM A JEW!" (Cartman, responded with , "Don't be so hard on yourself.")
Matt and Trey are kind of obsessed with Mormons. Maybe they're closet Mormon-curious
I remember that episode 😂
@@AmbyJeans : It wasn't an episode, it was the movie!
I am a really devout Christian (baptist) and I never understood why my parents were so "anti-Mormonism" (I had several Mormon friends who invited me to "Church" and wasn't ever allowed to go with them) but omgoodness I never knew just how extremely heterodox Mormonism actually is in doctrine, rite, and understanding of doctrine. Smith should have been a Syfi novelist, but I guess he wouldn't have been able to demand money and extra wives...
So this is weird to you but you don't question things like Noah and the ark or the story of Babel or women being created from the rib of Adam? That makes perfect sense, huh?
@@zigisamblakRight like I’m sorry but talk about turning a blind eye
@@zigisamblak Mormons are not Christians because they don't believe that salvation is by Jesus alone. (5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time. 1 Timothy 2:5-6)
Ephesians 2:8-9 English Standard Version (8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.)
@@veganperson466 But you do believe in noahs ark and the story of Babel and some other crazy shit right? I think my question went completely over your head. I wasn't talking about mormons, I was talking about abrahamic religion in general. Like the mormons you all have to believe in things that are clearly completely fabricated.
The bible is obviously some fantasy fan fiction written by dudes over 2000 years ago and yet you present it as the ultimate truth, but refuse to actually defend any of the weird shit, just quoting some random passages.
I'm just asking some reasonable questions here, does the story of Noahs ark make any sense to you? If it doesn't then why do you believe in it?
During the scene when God is listening to Jesus and Lucifer's arguments, he's hearing Charlie Brown adult voices
God is blazed throughout 😭😭
Wa wa wa wa wa
We seriously need laugh track for lines that good. Thumbs up just misses it.
😂😂😂😂❤❤❤ You killed me!
Every time I hear Joseph Smith I hear the song from South Park in my head. That episode really saved my ass when i had to talk about Mormons at 16 now 16 years ago as a German who had no contact with Mormons besides that episode.
Some time later they moved into my city and they were basically my neighbors about a 5 minute walk from my apartment. Now i know way too much about these people and still always hear the dum dum dum in my mind. 🤣
"How many spirit babies do I have to have before I go through menopause and be done?" 😂😂
Spiritual menopause. 🤣
Hot flashes in heaven? 😮
@@glenncordova4027that would make a good band name 😂
@@glenncordova4027or maybe Spiritual Menopause could be the band name & Hot Flashes in Heaven could be their first hit single lol
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I love how the spirits that left with Satan got super fluffy, layers in their hair styles.😂
glow up lol
When I was 14 years old our youth group decided to do a "comparison" of different religions as compared to Christianity. I chose Mormonism, as I had several Mormon friends in school. So I went to that early seminary class with then, on the bus (remember that bus!). All was well until the seminary teacher began to teach about how satan was Jesus' brother! I lost it and began to debate the teacher on that point! And at one point in that debate, I flat out told him he was insane and was going to hell to meet satan first hand! At which pojnt I was kicked out and forever shunned by the Morman church! (Still am as it was forever! I'm 74 at this time!). They tried to make me walk back to town, 5 miles! I lied and told them my dad was a policeman and they desided I could ride back if I sat on the bottom step of the door entrance to the bus. That bus driver opened the door to the bus 3 times on the way back to town! God was with me. I did tell my Pastor and youth group about the whole thing in my oral report! Don' know and don't care if anything happened to that teacher or the demented, insane bus driver!
I hope to heaven above he wasn't driving when he did that. I'm so sorry you went through that.
Christianity Stan got upset when he heard some one else’s fanfics.
Jeez. Do you not know how to be respectful? Like, you were a guest that was supposed to be doing research on another religion. You should have gotten failed for that report.
@@barbdouglas3197 I’ll take “Things That Didn’t Happen as Told” for $1,000, Alex.
This seems to be a running theme on this channel, by both the content creator and the commenters.
Um wow-the real and physical bullying in group I put group stuff was entirely unwarranted.
But the Jesus and Satan brother thing makes sense if you think of all humanity as brothers and sisters-but IDK if anyone ever said he was begotten of God like Christ was-referred to as the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
Stinks that they couldn’t take a debate
Calling Joseph Smith "dusty" absolutely killed me 😂😂😂
So mormon satan wanted to force everyone to become mormon so that they will become gods.... Isn't the mormon church funding the heritage foundation to force people to follow mormon doctrine? Is the mormon church doing their version of Satan's work? Do mormons know that their version of jesus was pro-choice?
Musty
he wasn just "dirty" but the dirtiest and most disgusting piece of crap of the early 1800s
So many parallels to Scientology. It might be interesting to have conversation with an ex-Scientologist and compare notes.
Believe it or not, Scientology makes Mormonism look sane by comparison.
There's a reason why Scientology's leadership doesn't allow their followers to see their scriptures until they're in too deep to get out.
That would be absolutely brilliant!
Would love for Alyssa to consider this.
Love your work, Alyssa!
I have always said that Mormonism is just Scientology plus about a hundred years...
I might be mistaken, but I believe Shelise from the channel Cults To Consciousness did a comparison like this once! Her channel is great!
@@jgr_lilli_ you’re right. YT won’t let me post a link, but it’s an ex-Mormon and an ex-Scientologist comparing how their respective churches control information
I moved to a small town on the other side of my state when I was in my 20's. I needed work and lodging, and I didn't have experience or more than a high-school education at the time. So I put an ad out offering to serve as a live-in nanny, housekeeper or elderly/disabled care-giver.
The ad was answered shortly by an older man, who seemed alright at the time, and approved of my religious faithfulness. I would have my own room, board, a few hundred dollars a month, and Sundays off guaranteed.
My first day there, he showed me that he was reading from the book of Mormon. Then he started making very inappropriate personal inquiries. He also seemed very physically independent and any time I asked if there was work I could do, he told me no, I should just take it easy for the afternoon.
I waited until he went down for a nap, gathered my few belongings and went to his next door neighbor for help getting ahold of some friends I had in town. They picked me up as soon as they could, and while I was waiting for them the neighbor confessed that they always got a strange vibe off the guy.
I count myself lucky that he had such nice neighbors.
Oh, interesting! I learned the 'Joy, Joy, Joy' song when i was raised christian, but the lyrics were:
I've got the joy, joy, joy, joy, down in my heart (where?)
Down in my heart (where?)
Down in my heart
I've got the joy, joy, joy, joy down in my heart (where?)
Down in my heart to stay!
And if the devil doesn't like it, he can sit on a tack (ouch), sit on a tack (ouch), sit on a tack (ouch).
The Mormon God with his blonde wives sort of reminds me of the photo of Warren Jeffs' wives gathered around a framed portrait of him.
Ew, yes, you’re so right 🤮
💯
My deep ancestry is reindeer herder. This would account for lighter skin and eye color.
Except Warren Jeffs was also doing his minor nieces and nephews, what a disgusting POS.
I think it is so weird that even the Mormons seem to portrait Jesus as a brown haired guy, even though they believe blond people been more righteous xD (apart from the fact that if he existed, he most likely wasn't even white, but every Christian religion got that wrong, as far a I know)
As an ex-Mormon, I agree that God Makers makes a lot of fair and accurate points about Mormons believe. As a guy who grew up as a Mormon in East Tennessee as a kid in the 80s however, I hate this cartoon because I was bullied by my Southern Baptists classmates for years because of it. Mormonism is wrong. It is also wrong to indoctrinate kids to hate other kids.
I completely agree. I think the intent of this cartoon is to make mormons seem like a cult while the rest of christianity gets a free pass at scrutiny. I am sorry that happened to you :(
@@alyssadgrenfell I am a bit on the spectrum, so I had a really hard time not repeating things I was told at church to other kids, which is partially to blame. Being autistic was hard enough, but belonging to a religion that programed you to tell all the other children their churches were wrong, and only yours was right, well it was just a recipe for disaster. I think Mormonism is toxic for everyone, and while I do not think I had it as bad as an adult as women and gay people do, I think extreme religions, like Mormonism, are particularly toxic for autistic children.
@@johnjones_1501 I think most religions also teach children to do this bcs they’re told their purpose is to spread the word. So little religious kids just bully each other. I was raised Catholic so I got an enormous amount of flak from other kids.
true
You don't even go to a church yet here you are listening to this liar. You have that in common.
Ummmm did this say Jesus was born to Mary and then married Mary?
Oh, that Book of Mormon musical tease was perfect. Tell us you’re going to do a reaction video?!
I was engaged to a Mormon Girl in the 80's. at that time Coca Cola was taboo, then the "church" bought a significant part of Cokes shares and it was reveled to the prophet that soda was OK. I really tried to believe but couldn't reconcile my beliefs with LDS doctrine. and convenient revelations felt like a power, and money, grab to me. Ultimately religious differences broke us up. I still think of her fondly and hope she is having a wonderful life.
The church made a loan , bearing interest, to coke. They didbt buy it. Do some research. Im not a mormon
What do you expect from followers of a consummate con-man?
@JamesW225 still benefits them
Smith using polytheist papyri to create Christian doctrine is a level of meta irony that has me rolling.
And a traveling salesman in rural North America had genuine Egyptian papyri... suuuuuuure.
@@QuentinPlant They are, though.
The Joseph Smith Papyri still survive in fragments and came from Thebes. That’s how they were so easily debunked.
It was part of something called Egyptomania, when people would desecrate Egyptian tombs and sell the contents around the world.
An Italian in the company of Napoleon named Antonio Lebolo had found them in Thebes, from there, they passed hands several times before ending up in the hands of the salesman that Smith bought them from.
The Book of Abraham comes from a few Books of the Dead, a Book of Breathing, and a hypocrphalus (a circular amulet placed under the head of mummies).
B. Smith 'translated' a Egyptian merchant's burial memorial. LDS played that down.
well moses was born in Egypt, so I could see them believing it
@@QuentinPlant He did though. That's the whole point. We got to see that Smith's translations were wrong by checking them once translations were possible!
Omg, "Star of the County Down" as a Mormon hymn is HILARIOUS.
What a hoot. Must be the first time in history different lyrics have been used on an existing melody. Absolutely HILARIOUS. What a find!!!!! Go to the "top of the class" if you know what I mean.
So, in regards to Satan, most Christians believe that Satan was in fact a fallen angel and that he took a third of the heavenly host with him as Revelation says. The distinction is that we don’t believe that people were once angels. Our existence began here on earth with our birth. Angels and humans are both created, but different beings.
No
“It is made up… IT’S MADE UP! And my family is basing their whole life off of this book… 📖 😭”
Girl, same!!! 😂 and the look of your brain melting was what got me dying over here! 🫠 🧠
So mormon satan wanted to force everyone to become mormon so that they will become gods.... Isn't the mormon church funding the heritage foundation to force people to follow mormon doctrine? Is the mormon church doing their version of Satan's work? Do mormons know that their version of jesus was pro-choice?
That religion has messed up a ton of people and has had a hand in a number of deaths.
"It's fake it's made up!" Blah blah. Why are you leading people away from Heavenly Father?
@@cryptochris9001 you can believe what you want. I don’t care if you want to believe in a guy who “translated” a record (that we conveniently don’t have evidence of) with a rock in a hat.
As an atheist, religion in general is crazy, not just Mormonism.
But at the end of the day, your conditioning within Mormonism won’t let you get past “these people are being led by SATAN!” So I mean, there’s nothing I can post to help them brain juices flow for you. 🤷🏻♀️
Hope you have a good day tho 🫡
@@cryptochris9001
I’m an atheist, there’s nothing to lead people away from, only the belief in a deity that doesn’t exist 🤷🏻♀️
But you believe what you want to: “love the believer, hate the beliefs”
I love how the gold plates are always depicted as being in a three-ring binder type of situation. It makes me wonder what kind of hole punch they had back then. 😂
This has me rolling everytime as well. Like, I can't wait to see all the hieroglyphs of ancient egyptians with a hole punch 😂
I mean, gold is soft and holes can be punched into it fairly easily. However, with use, the holes would weaken, warp, and break, probably damaging the rest of the tablet.
metal plates were the norm in Israel at the time of king Zedekiah, around the time of Lehi.
archeology proved it.
the usual metal used was lead, but copper, and brass were used as well.
the styli used actual diamond chips as tips.
they had drills, though nothing like today.
are you sure that a 3-ring binder was impossible for them?
@@hugehappygrinfalse, this is misinformation. Check your data pls
Joseph Smith really wanted to be science fiction author, but the genre had not been invented yet.
But then he was reincarnated as L. Ron Hubbard and went through the whole process again.
You pack so much into these videos, Alyssa. I appreciate it.
In the FLDS we where taught this at an early age and often heard adults openly using the "N" word and where told that inter racial relationships are forbidden.
The FLDS is Mormonism’s scariest and most depraved version of the faith 😓
If you live in a compound.....
You could fill that blank in with so many things.
So mormon satan wanted to force everyone to become mormon so that they will become gods.... Isn't the mormon church funding the heritage foundation to force people to follow mormon doctrine? Is the mormon church doing their version of Satan's work? Do mormons know that their version of jesus was pro-choice?
So mormon satan wanted to force everyone to become mormon so that they will become gods.... Isn't the mormon church funding the heritage foundation to force people to follow mormon doctrine? Is the mormon church doing their version of Satan's work? Do mormons know that their version of jesus was pro-choice?@@alyssadgrenfell
I saw this years ago. Most of the elders that I’ve asked about some of the components in this are always super confused. Thank you for talking about it!
No matter how many times it's repeated, I still can't believe that this is what they actually believe. I can't look at Mitt Romney the same way anymore, I just can't
I think this of Mitt Romney too! I also was married to two different Community of Christ (formerly Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, an offshoot of traditional LDS, though they will insist it isn't). I am divorced from both of these people now, but I know a huge amount of people who are members and I see them so differently now!
So mormon satan wanted to force everyone to become mormon so that they will become gods.... Isn't the mormon church funding the heritage foundation to force people to follow mormon doctrine? Is the mormon church doing their version of Satan's work? Do mormons know that their version of jesus was pro-choice?
Do you see all people differently after reading their scriptures or just Mormons? If it’s everyone you must be judging ppl a hell of a lot. I’ve never been Mormon & ya they believe weird shit, but it’s mainly harmless & they create some great communities. Even if they didn’t, my question to you would be the same. When you read that it’s allowed by God to beat your wife if you even think she might disobey you, do you think, I can’t look at any Muslim the same ever again?
@@freyast2213 Yes, Mormons are extra nuts. Not compared to new age cults, like "happy people" etc. Certainly the kool aid drinking Jonestown cult was/is worse but mormons are a level above even islam. Before, I thought they were ex-polygamist christians with a whacky prophet and JW-like strict rules but in reality they're essentially a type of "we are aliens" cult but early 19th century.
Muslims can be whacky too but they are more stone age whacky than new age whacky. Islam is a lot more contradictory and "you can interpret it any way you want", and if it goes crazy it goes isolationist or violent. But mormonism is just straight-up nuts, that is, if you actually look at what's at its core tenents. I'd say actually my initial idea of mormonism does kind of reflect mainstream/everyday/casual mormonism which is anywhere between puritan protestant through JW to megachurch baptist maga adjacent but with spicy and whimsical joseph smith fairies added. It's only when you try to take it seriously when you realise it's culty which doesn't seem to be many mormons honestly
My main experience with muslims are muslims in russia/turkey and levantine/northern arab, and they are all very hypocritical. Drink alcohol, sleep with many women. One tajik told me he's not gay because he's always the top. Veeery far away from mormon insanity
@@freyast2213racism and misogyny isn't harmless. We shouldnt sweep these things under the rug. These harmful beliefs should be called out.
I had this fascination with finding weird videos when I was a teenager that was usually about banned cartoons and conspiracy theories on UA-cam and I found this one.
This was a great deep dive into this video, I have seen it, and glad to hear it analyzed
Atheist here - but I had absolutely no idea how far Mormonism is from mainstream Christianity. No wonder they questioned whether Romney was really a Christian.
I kinda get why now. For instance, most people don’t view Islam as a messianic Jewish sect due to its various distinctions from mainstream Christianity and Judaism so I can understand why people would treat Mormonism as the same.
@@PseudoSpaceMarine muslims literally hate and want to eliminate jews, so no, they're not related to jews lmao
Indeed, and yet the vast majority of LDS don't realize how far their religion is from orthodox/historic Christianity. It frustrates me that there has been such a long-term attempt to paint the picture that LDS are Christian and not just by LSD folks, but even today by more cultural evangelical Christians. There are absolutely fundamental differences that cannot be reconciled between the two. Not least of which is the nature of the Godhead (Trinity) and the person and work of Jesus.
I grew up JW and knew nothing about Mormons (or most churches really) but because we'd get confused with them I had an idea who they were. Only after quitting the JWs did I look into LDS teachings and I knew they had their own version of kookiness but I kinda thought hmm their heavens didn't sound so bad.
This is a ridiculous movie that is not a representation of what we believe. There are far better sources to learn about the church.
I didn't realise that mormons use the same tunes as other christian churches for their hymns! so weird to hear these lyrics with it
The LDS Church uses a lot of 19th century (and older) Christian hymns. And a lot of Christian hymns use the same tunes as older folk songs. - Mormonism ultimately has roots in Methodism and other protestant traditions.
@@LongJourneyshymns are so funny to me bc I see them in a purely like VBS capacity. I’m GO and we still use Byzantine Chants from the 3rd century hahaha so it sounds soooo different
@@hannahb.375 As Orthodox myself I like the Greek style chants very much. Russian style though is a bit closer to the Western style, but still lovely.
@LongJourneys only Joseph Smith has roots from Protestantism as he was Excommunicated 2x from different churches.
Alot of hymns were set to drinking or pub songs because a bunch of people already knew the tune. That's what makes the Christmas carol "Silent Night" reather importaint. Origonal tune for origonal words.
Did the couple seriously go from brunette to blonde when becoming gods??? Wow, that’s a little too close to the aryan race ideology
Kai Schwemmer and Woozuh
Earth girls are easy
Cause I’m A Blonde -Lyrics
[Verse 1]
Because I'm blonde, I don't have to think
I talk like a baby and I never pay for drinks
Don't have to worry about getting a man
If I keep this blonde, and I keep these tan
'Cause I'm a blonde
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I see people working
It just makes me giggle
Cause I don't have to work
I just have to jiggle
'Cause I'm blonde
B-L-O-N-D
'Cause I'm a blonde
Don't you wish you were me?
I never learned to read, and I never learned to cook
Why should I bother when I look like I look
I know lots of people are smarter than me
But I have this philosophy:
So what?
'Cause I'm a blonde
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I see girls without dates
And I feel so sorry for 'em
'Cause whenever I'm around
All the men ignore 'em
'Cause I'm blonde
Nyah, nyah, nyah
I took an IQ test
And I flunked it, of course
I can't spell BW
But I got a Porsche
'Cause I'm a blonde
B-L-A-N-D
'Cause I'm a blonde
Don't you wish you were me
Well Goku, vegeta..... did
Your singing is so much fun!!! I found out some friends of mine are ex-Mormon and have wanted to learn more lately (I'm ex-evangelical myself), so I'm really glad to have found your channel. I really appreciate that you give context and research and personal experience throughout, and not as a way to say "wow I used to be dumb" but to really show how you are taught to believe in and act on these doctrines
Never mind the bible saying there is no marriage or giving in marriage in heaven.
RIGHT! And the re-assertion of one man one wife on earth.
Or that there is only one God who knows no other Gods like him (Isaiah 43:10, 44:8)
And also polygamy being unlawful now
1 Corinthians 7:1-8
@@Potocalter Plus, most wimmin don't like it
Never mind the fact the LDS church doesn't care about the actual Bible...
As someone who was raised Methodist, I find the Mormon doctrine absolutely fascinating. It gives me Ancient Greek gods or D&D vibes.
It's fanfiction sold as something to die for!
What throws me for a loop as a Jew is that, not only did the Mormon Church mistranslate one of our names for G-D but they picked one of the FEMININE names!! (In our tradition, G-D has no definitive form because he made all of us in his image. Thus, he has multiple names.)
Just wild! Guess it makes sense why Mormons are so good at writing fantasy books!!
@@swordofseals33 and the fact that the name of God in Hebrew is more like a whisper or a breath is interesting to me
It's interesting that "If You Could Hie to Kolob" has the same tune as the much older ghost ballad, "The Unquiet Grave".
Never been mormon but I saw this cartoon a long time ago and I've been waiting for you to cover this!
The melody for 'If You Could Hie to Kolob', is an ironic choice considering that the modern LDS church is amassing billions of dollars. That's the same melody as the English folk song 'Dives and Lazarus' which is based on the parable about a rich man dying and going to hell while a poor man dies and goes to heaven.
wow this is crazy omg
Hah yeah I came here to say its super weird to hear a classic English folk song (collected by Vaughn Williams, who arranged it as a hymn tune and as a theme and variations for string orchestra) with bizarre Mormon lyrics!
I thought that tune sounded familiar!
Is it also the melody for The Seven Joys of Mary?
@@torisandifer518 If you're talking about the Loreena McKennitt version, yes. The more traditional tune sounds (to me) a little like "I saw three ships"
This was the video I watched in high school to try and understand my Mormon friends. It freaked me out. 😮
Did you ever ask them about it? 😲
Did you ever ask them about this? They either fell about laughing or thought you needed to be committed?
I love her childhood comments penned in her Bible. It's sweet and makes me happy. The beauty of young hope and faith lifts my spirit.
The whole story in this cartoon of the beginning of time in a faraway planet, etc. sounds very familiar and reminds me of the Story of Superman from the comic books I used to read as a child - "Superman" was born on a faraway planet called "Krypton" to a man named "Jor-el", who, in turn, named his son "Cal-el".Jor-el and his wife, knowing that their planet was doomed, shipped their only child, a son, wrapped in swaddling clothes (sound familiar?), out in a space-pod just minutes before "Krypton" exploded. The space-pod landed eventually on Planet Earth, where he was adopted by a childless couple and grew up to become the legend known as "Superman". At least, even as a child, however, I knew that this was fiction which made for a good read with little or no bearing on reality.
I get so excited whenever I see “Alyssa Grenfell” appear on my screen. You’re one of my favorite creators on this app, genuinely. Love ya and thank you for your content/knowledge.
That means so much :) thank you so much for the kind comment and for watching. I hope you enjoy the video!!
@@alyssadgrenfellI always enjoy your videos! ❤
Yes me too! ❤
19:22 i used to actively feel bad for satan because he wanted everyone to be righteous, and people would say “oh, but you wouldn’t be able to choose between chocolate or vanilla” but i always took it as we could choose stuff like that, but we just couldn’t be bad
I remember being told I wouldn’t have been able to choose chocolate or vanilla and that didn’t make anyyy sense to me!
@annapatterson549 Yeah, I was wondering if one of those choices was evil or something.
Realistically, Satan's plan was like, "You can't choose between Genocide and puppies. You just get puppies."
@@annapatterson549 EXACTLY. like, i honestly don’t think he would’ve cared if someone said chocolate instead of vanilla but you couldn’t feed it to someone who was allergic to it on purpose
Well, clearly Mormons are bigger fans of vanilla than chocolate, at least historically.
@@whatawitchymich Satan: Well... They are already killing each other, if we're gonna save them might as well make sure they dont hurt each other anymore, right?
They all should be like us
The other Gods: You evil, light spot stealing, mf. Get him!
...
Also you two in the corner, i can't believe you weren't ripping them to shredds
You're cursed for that.
I was low key on his side, but I'm also black so ...
Love the research you do!
This video has the perfect amount of singing Alyssa! 😂 also pressing the Book of Mormon to your face when talking about your family basing their lives on it is such a mood. 😅
"Informed consent about the Mormon Church" YES. As a cradle Mormon until age 45 (I'm 60), I have learned and remembered so much by watching your content THANK YOU 🥰 Now back to my iced coffee...
Can I have some coffee? 😂
I'm so impressed you managed to leave the church after living so much of your life in it! That must have been super hard, good for you!
The coffee punchline is gold
Attended the Mormon church as a child for a few years in the 1960’s. At that time Coca Cola was banned. At some point the ban was reversed and word was the church had acquired a financial interest in the company and that was the reason for the reversal.
The real reason is Mitt Romney created a scandal while he was a presidential contender when he was photographed drinking a soda (I wanna say it was Diet Coke?) -- church leadership quickly clarified that *of course* soft drinks and caffeine weren't banned, only tea and coffee, etc.
It was never banned, some members just thought it was.
@@CMZIEBARTH It was always banned, it has Caffeine. Get your story right.
@@lnqxr I know what you're thinking and you don't have your facts right.
I recently heard that Mitt Romney, a mormon was caught consuming caffeine. That caused a stir at the church because they were backing him against Obama as a presidential candidate at the time so they did away with the caffeine ban. So yeah Mormons can now enjoy Coca-Cola for the, then in vain, political benefit of the Mormon church.
This was a deal deal in its time thanks for the up date.
Jeez. I'm bouncing between giggles, 'Are you kidding?' and being nauseous .. and I spent 15 years in this cult. I'm now congratulating myself for my courage to get the heck out.
Wait, so the LDS church stole all of their hymns from Scottish and Irish folk tuens?
The first one about Kolob - The Star of the County Down
Praise to the Man - Road to the Isles/Scotland the Brave.
They stole a ton of hymns and changed the lyrics.
Back in the day it was common to use a traditional tune and interchange the lyrics. There are several LDS hymns that have had several different tunes attached to them, including If You Could Hie to Kolob.
A lot of religious hymns are adapted folks songs, and many folk songs originate as religious hymns. People didn’t separate religion from daily life as much before the 20th century.
Most hymn melodies are taken from earlier melodies with different meanings.
No wonder! the words she sang didn't feel like they matched the tune.
I have a good friend who is a Disciples of Christ minister. They believe strongly in fostering inter-denominational and interfaith fellowship. As such, he attended this huge symposium where nearly all christian denominations were represented. The mormons were there. He said for 3 days, they all discussed theology, trying to find a way to include mormons in the Christian coalition... but were forced to conclude that theologically, mormons just are not christians. Like, a bunch of very diverse christian theologians TRIED to find a loophole for them, and couldnt 😂 mormons are just not christians.
As an Anglican (though I view denominations more as variations of worship style, rather than doctrinal differences, within the protestant part of the church), I don't disagree with calling Mormons 'Christian' because they're 'crazy', but because of key theological differences that completely changes the point of their faith, compared to those taught in Christianity.
non Mormon but so obsessed with watching all your videos❤
Helloooooo and thank you for watching :)
@@alyssadgrenfell🤘🏼💕 you rock!
Same! It’s fascinating…
@@katrianem2124 Absolutely! I keep rereading 'Under the Banner of Heaven'. It really is fascinating, and bear in mind that I used to believe in the Catholic transubstantiation, so I combined gullibility with pretentiousness; it's a wonder I had any school friends at all.
As someone that walked briskly away from a very liberal middle-of-the-road protestant denomination - watching your videos on leaving mormonism is wild. I never knew how much of a cult the LDS was - and now you're my hero :)
great episode!!! really interesting
Hey Alyssa! Very interesting vid as always, I just thought I'd share something I noticed. As someone who was an absolute nerd when it came to Ancient Mexican/Mesoamerican history, my eyes noticed at 49:00, that whichever Mormon artist(s) painted those paintings...modeled the "darker skinned indigenous ppl" exactly like Ancient Aztec warriors.
Down to the hairstyle, loincloth, even the obsidian swords..huh its weird that the artists "short-hand" for "generic indigenous person" was Aztec warrior lol 😅
I seriously think the part of the angels becoming demons is where Mike Judge got the idea for Beavis and Butthead!
I definitely see the resemblance lolz
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
I find this (and all your videos) quite interesting as I enjoy learning about different religions.
17:19 man’s got the “book of coming forth by day” formerly known as “book of the dead”
"the holy Spirit came upon mary" has a whole new meaning now 😳 whyyyyy
💀💀💀💀
As a theater kid, I was so happy when Alyssa started singing "Hello"😂
I am anxiously awaiting a full reaction/commentary video from Alyssa on The Book of Mormon Musical!
My love, who is passed, watched the Tony’s NPH Hello video with me after the musical opened. It was our inside joke. He showed it to his parents, who declared it blasphemy. He rolled his eyes like “god, learn to laugh at yourself”. 🙄 I’ve heard that they don’t get the underwear quite right in the musical. Now that he’s gone, I can’t bring myself to see it.
@@MDRnMisha Oh darling, I'm so sorry. I'm glad you have happy memories of your love; not everyone finds it. x
@@angelamaryquitecontrary4609 thank you.
Are any of these planets near Uranus? C'mon people, there's some comedy gold here.
personally, I think the singing is kinda sweet, its like its letting the little kid in you come out. I grew up Catholic, so we never heard of Joseph Smith, but I definitely grew up with Joy Joy Joy down in my heart, but we had three verses that switched out Joy for peace and love, and a chorus. Sitting on a tack is way more fun!
I've never been Mormon, but I've studied it extensively from the outside. One particularly useful resource I found, a book called "One Nation Under Gods" by Richard Abanes, had an interesting side-by-side comparison between the ancient Egyptian illustration from the "Book of Breathings" that Joseph Smith purchased and reconstructed bits of (as it was missing several parts) seen at the upper left of the screen at 13:29 of this video, and another copy that was found fully intact. It's actually quite amusing seeing what Smith's "reconstruction" of the scene got wrong. Highlights include:
- Putting a light-colored man's head on the dark colored standing figure, which was actually the jackal-headed Egyptian god Anubis
- Adding a knife in that figure's hand
- Drawing a bird's head on the bird-bodied spirit above the reclining figure's head (which was actually a man-headed, bird-bodied representation of the reclining figure's soul)
- Depicting the reclining figure's clothing as covering him to the neck, when in fact it only covered him up to the waist.
- Leaving the upper middle of the illustration, which was missing from Smith's copy, largely empty, other than the standing figure's knife-wielding hand. In the original illustration, that area is much busier, as there is a bird figure hovering above the torso of the reclining figure. The only part of that hovering bird that was still on Smith's copy was the tip of one of its wings, which Smith mistook for being the reclining figure's left hand, and thus drew the reclining figure as holding both hands up near its face, when in fact in the original drawing, the figure was only holding one hand near his face, and other left hand was down by his waist, holding his "bits"!
New Mormon lore head canon: Jesus and Lucifer didn't have two plans, they made one together. They palnned the good v. evil thing cause it would be more exciting and make for a better story. Also yes, Jesus and Lucifer played everyone in this scenario for their own amusment. Cause that also makes for a better story.
(Hey, if Joseph Smith can make his own Bible fanfic, I can make a fanfic of his fanfic!)
They really decided to screw black people then.
I love your fanfic, what do you call it?
Typical sibling behavior
If only you could monetize your new fanfic!
Fellow Ex Mormon here...
This was an issue for me. I was baptized into the church around 2011, and was there for a good few years, but it's once they had me reading all this new "not KJV Bible related" material like D's&C's and what not, and THEN, INSISTING that YOU insist this stuff is true, "in front of a live studio audience", more or less, that I realized this is NOT for me.
Stock Southern Baptist Now, saner, and happier...Hope your journey is a good one too.
Kingsfold is the tune that the hymn you sang is set to. It appears in many protestant hymnals as an alternative melody for "I Sing the Mighty Power of God" and as the primary melody for "I Heard the Voice of Jesus Say." I recognized it as soon as you started singing. Amazing how these tunes spread throughout different faith traditions.
“How many spirit babies do I have to have before I can go through menopause and be done?” 😂🤣😂
imagine going through spiritual menopause, maybe if our planet also produces global warming we can 😭
*space menopause. Its different. Because its in space.
Earth is primitive. Next life is beyond our comprehension. We will be engaged in activities that are more complex than we ever could imagine.
Kolob sounds like a constipation medication 😅
But won't work for the burning in the bosom..Rolaids will take away heartburn and your salvation
Yeah, it really does! 😂
Oh my HECK it totally does! 😅
(late night tv ad voice) "Kolob! This medicine will clean out your colon in 24 hours guaranteed! Kolob, the colon cleaner!!!" 😂
Well, it is fairly common for pregnant women to become constipated.
6:24 lovely singing, reminds me of my days growing up baptist and learning the hymnals so well, you remembered what song was on what page and you raced your friends to find it first, like you did with sword drills
"Kolob" now explains why Glen A Larson (a Mormon) in Battlestar Galactica called the original human home world "Kobol"
The soda issue - I read that soda was banned also and it was due to the caffeine, but the rules were relaxed to make soda okay when Mitt Romney ran for President, and he was photographed drinking soda. Don't know how true the timing is, but it seemed feasible!
Maybe 😂
Actually, the rules changed around the Y2K scare because they bought stock in Pepsi. It wasn't advertised, but we saw that this happened when I was in high school, it was widely accepted that it was the reason Utah doesn't have Dr. Pepper, they have Mr. Pibb & pepsi products. This wasn't announced, it was just known, so it could be bull-pucky. Lol.
At one point my mother had the fine idea that I join Mormonism to "boost my confidence," since, "They tell their sons they are going to be gods!" Many people could use a self-esteem boost in their younger years, but it might have overshot things a bit to believe that I would one day be nothing less than...a God! Bwahaha
😂😂😂. The thing is most people think they are god .
Good one. Finally someone with a sense of humor and not a sense of mockery!
I've given lots of these videos out years ago.
The Bible ends with a warning not to add to the words of this book. Once the Revelation was revealed to John, there was no more to be said, yet Smith and others have violated this stern warning and caused many to do the same.
I'm glad you are set free.
The Lord bless you always.
the level of irony here is genuinely mindboggling.
I feel like more videos should have singing in them. You do have a fantastic voice!
Please do a Mormon karaoke video, you're amazing. Pick the weirdest Mormon hymns. I LOVED THE KOLOB HYMN. It was insane! More! More!
I want to see her do Come Come Ye Saints.
The "I'd we die, before the day is theough, oh happy day! All is well!" Is so messed up.
Okay, sometimes I feel like putting singing in is cringey but also it's such a huge part of the religion so it feels like it has to play a part!
@@alyssadgrenfellmix in some of the Book of Mormon musical 🎤😂🎉
@@alyssadgrenfell I understand why it would feel uncomfortable for you singing acapella alone in your room, but if you got a choirs worth of exmormons to sing together it would be powerful
@@tomhomunculusI'm exmormon and sang in our ward choir. I'd show up for an event like that(I better get a copy of the performance, though)
I’ve always wondered- Let’s say I become a God, can I make the laws of my planet whatever I want? Or do they have to follow Mormon teachings? If so, why?
Ooh! Interesting question!
Being a celestial God is like an executive in a mega corporation. You can do what you want as long as it complies with Kolob policy.
Based on the 2nd Anointing ritual, I am guessing at some point you get a free pass to do what you want.
I believe you can do your own thing 🪐 but be careful if another God visits. He could berate you for not being sufficiently obedient to Joseph Smith. 😮
After all, without him, you wouldn't even have your own planet or be a God. 🎉
You probably wouldn’t become such a god (according to their beliefs I guess) if you wanted laws that didn’t follow mormon teachings… I mean who else but a very very convinced mormon would follow all their weird rules to the point where they were considered god-material?
This cartoon, and the God Makers were shown to us in an Evangelical Baptist private school back when these were relatively NEW. This was in the 1980s in Ontario, Canada, at a Christian elementary private school called Christian Academy of Western Ontario. Lucifer being Jesus' brother was a shocking and offensive idea to me as a Baptist/Evangelical. Historical Christianity, indeed the Bible itself, state that Lucifer was a fallen Angel, and that Jesus is the Son of God, and that Jesus also IS god. This difference in views is key in Baptists calling Mormons a "cult". Non trinitarian groups, groups that deny the personal divinity and identical nature of Christ and the Father, are considered "cults", or "heretical groups" because they do not uphold the same Christian view of the Godhead. For their part, the Mormon's consider all non Mormons not the real thing either, but one of these groups has a much more ancient history. As we all know, Mormonism was made up by Joseph Smith and no trace of its teachings can be found before he invented them, out of nothing.
The song you shared at the start - the tune is a lovely folk tune called “star of the County Down”
Or if you like things more spooky, Unquiet Grave.
It's ironic how the names of angels "Mormon" and "Moroni" are so closely related to the word "moron."
Maybe Joseph Smith had a sense of humour.
Moroni sounds like someone tried to write the plural of moron in latin
I always thought French for Christian (crétien) sounds like cretin
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Just don't call him Macaroni. I used to get in big trouble for that. 😂
Wait… If satan was bad for wanting it all, isn’t god then the same? I mean, “god” basically does the same but then it is good? My non-religious brain cannot compute
So mormon satan wanted to force everyone to become mormon so that they will become gods.... Isn't the mormon church funding the heritage foundation to force people to follow mormon doctrine? Is the mormon church doing their version of Satan's work? Do mormons know that their version of jesus was pro-choice?
That's just because you use logic. Put some fairy dust on it and it looks perfect. Satan is bad for wanting it all, and god is good because he righteous.
It also teaches some more supremacy by blatantly allowing double standards. Same thing with the racism. When white people do something it's good because they're righteous, unless it's being attracted to a black person of course, and when a black person does the same thing they're arrogant and wicked.
But as I understand it in the particular doctrine you're talking about Satan wants all the glory by forcing people to worship him, and thus taking away free will. And then god and Jesus are painted as righteous for allowing free will an earning the worship, which then gets undermined with all of the rest of the doctrine and you're still pretty much forced manipulatively and abusively, but at least you have a "choice".
The difference is that Satan wants to take away free will in selfish arrogance, and god wants to earn his worship and allow free will for the betterment of all people, by allowing them to learn and grow as a person. Which isn't all too awful but, again, it also isn't at all what the rest of the doctrine teaches, but this part seems to do.
And free will in religions triggers a lot of cognitive dissonance and is usually just used as an excuse to gaslight believers into believing they're crap if something bad happens, or in mormonism if you're born black, or in love with a black person, because they cannot be attractive, because the book or mormon says so, so your choices lead you down an evil path and you should be corrected and banish any loving thoughts for the black person not just from your mind but your entire being if you want to ever join the gods in their godliness.
For instance Allysa pointed out she felt lucky to have been born in a righteous family but was taught it was because of her own actions in the spirit world. So if you're not born a mormon, you're just less good from the get go - aka supremacy. But if you're not mormon, that's because you didn't do good enough in the spirit world and you're just not on the same level as mormons. If you're born as a black baby with AIDS because of a reused needle for a malaria shot for your mom, well... Let's just say that mormons won't invest in medical care for that baby.
And that baby is hell spawn and arrogant and selfish and it would take away your free will if it had a chance, and you are kind and fair.
So it's not all about wanting it all, but wanting it all at the cost of our freedom of choice, which we know we have and is falsely equated to free will to gaslight people and to further supremacy and group cohesion.
Every story that pretends to teach good morality is an abusive manipulation tactic to create more division between believers and non believers, and to push people into mindless following and scare people away from doubting, because the second you do you're already on thin ice and you could lose your family and community and everything. That is not unique in mormonism. Mormonism just adopted the successful strategy from literally every theistic religion/cult/sect in human history. They're all inherently abusive because they're not based on reality so they have to lie to make you believe and condition your brain to constantly lie to yourself and gaslight yourself, etc..
And I'm sorry this is so long, but I just can't leave it hanging at something seemingly wholesome that is inevitably abusive and harmful to billions of people and all communities allover the world for the thousands of years that we have existed and have made up stories to give some false comfort to people with existential questions and to manipulate them for a fake social cohesion of only a majority group that fits the criteria, at the cost of women, people of minorities, intelligence, integrity, well being, creativity.
It's really pretty easy. Just look at it from God's perspective.
You want everything, you get everything, you've got everything. Then this little bastard comes along wanting everything you've got. _Of course_ he's bad.
This thought is what broke my mind from the mormon jail. Satan said he would get us all home and Satan was nessasary to God's plan. Bc he needed to tempt us away from God. So why is Satan evil? He is quite littereraly part of the plan
Satan- take away our right to choose and get all the glory
Jesus-we can choose good or evil, and the glory is God's
Wow I haven't thought about this cartoon in so long I was raised in a small Lutheran church and private school and they showed us this to teach us how crazy and evil the Mormons were LOL
I've always wanted a large library. It's a variety of science, sci-fi, fantasy, history, philosophy. I haven't liked them all, but the Book of Mormon is the only book I've ever thrown away because I can't fathom of what use it will ever be in my life.
TBF Lucifer’s plan doesn’t sound so bad 😂
from a storytelling viewpoint, it's more interesting when the villain has an understandable motives. good villains see themselves as heroes in their own story.
Well, you could live in Russia or China. How does that sound?
@@b.kimhumphreys6662 Say you don’t understand free will without saying you don’t understand free will.
The overuse, and misuse is the word "Wherefore" proves the whole book wrong, by that alone.
Wherefore means "Why?" like, "Why are you Romeo?"
In the book, Joseph uses it to mean "Because".
I immediately thought the same thing!
@@sydneysaurus88… or it meant “for which reason” which works in pretty much every case it was used. There are other reasons to poke fun at us and the book you don’t believe in, this one’s not it. 😂
For example…
2 Nephi 31 : 16-20
16 And now, my beloved brethren, I know by this that unless a man shall endure to the end, in following the example of the Son of the living God, he cannot be saved.
17 Wherefore *(for which reason),* do the things which I have told you I have seen that your Lord and your Redeemer should do; for, for this cause have they been shown unto me, that ye might know the gate by which ye should enter. For the gate by which ye should enter is repentance and baptism by water; and then cometh a remission of your sins by fire and by the Holy Ghost.
18 And then are ye in this strait and narrow path which leads to eternal life; yea, ye have entered in by the gate; ye have done according to the commandments of the Father and the Son; and ye have received the Holy Ghost, which witnesses of the Father and the Son, unto the fulfilling of the promise which he hath made, that if ye entered in by the way ye should receive.
19 And now, my beloved brethren, after ye have gotten into this strait and narrow path, I would ask if all is done? Behold, I say unto you, Nay; for ye have not come thus far save it were by the word of Christ with unshaken faith in him, relying wholly upon the merits of him who is mighty to save.
20 Wherefore *(for which reason),* ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men. Wherefore *(for which reason),* if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ, and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father: Ye shall have eternal life.
I’m sure you are nice people, so stop being so petty. 😮
It's kinda written like an angsty teen trying to write in the style of King James
@@scallop933 not really? Sigh.
in norwegian, the word for why/wherefore is "hvorfor". it's so close
Coincidence that kolob backwards is bolok (bollock?)
Bolok or Colob either way sounds like a demon name.
There was a movie called "The Mormon Dilemma" that addressed the God Makers and how even though it was a little dramatic to Mormon people, it was still basically what Mormons taught. It was done by an ex-Mormon Christian, so there's a little preaching at the end.
My mom has nearly joined a lot of cults because she "really liked that they had a sense of community." My favorite options of hers were proper amish and mormons. Luckily she never could have believed in god and stuff like this cartoon certainly didnt help, but it does make me wonder if i would still end up the way i am today if i had been raised mormon or amish.
I have made an active tour of churches in the past because I also liked the sense of community and the collective energy of a mass of people trying to be good and godly for the day. 😄 I have really never been interested in joining them as an official member though. I get bored quickly and hate convoluted rules...as a rule. 😊
There is something so funny about the way you wrote this. I'm just imagining your mom in the weirdest, most depraved cult I can think of asking, "Yeah, yeah, hail Satan and all that. How about we all get together for a potluck next week? I'll bring the potato salad!" 😂
@@SirThopas3 Honestly, that is SO accurate lmao
I read recently that the LDS church's lifting of the ban on black men holding the priesthood in 1978 led to a significant exodus of people defecting to the Apostolic United Brethren and that, moreover, many fundamentalist groups still ban black men from holding the priesthood. So it wasn't just polygamy that Mormon fundamentalists kept, but racism too!
I unfortunately married into one of these families before I was able to leave the cult and before he knew I wasn’t fully white. I was expected to hide that and whitewash our child. 10000/10 would not recommend
IIRC, people have been leaving the LDC church and forming their own splinter groups almost since the beginning.
I love this video 😂 you really seem like you’re having fun responding and singing lol
Listening to you go through your old church things, you inspired me to go back to my Bible, and... oh my. I understand you more now.
Lucifer in the Catholic Church and other denominations: He was an angel, perhaps a Seraphim, cast out by Michael, an archangel. Not on the same level of Jesus, part of the Trinity and, thus, God.
Lucifer in Mormonism: He can probably match Jesus, what with being His brother and wanting to help humanity instead of corrupt them, initially.
Except the story about Lucifer in Revelation is written in a kind of Jewish literature to protect Christians from Nero and not meant to be made into a mythology. Christianity has a hole set of mythology that the apostles would never have backed and differ from their beliefs.
I know that demons, Satan, Lucifer etc. played a more significant role in Christian folklore of the past, and in Bible adjacent fanfiction, like Dante's Inferno, but growing up Catholic, they didn't really play a major role in our belief.
Other gods, demons, fallen angels only really showed up in three flavors:
1. They didn't. Our translation just doesn't mention things like Lucifer in certain places.
2. Adversaries/ Critics of Jesus/Moses/etc. mention them. As far as I was taught this did not mean that there were litteral other Devine beings out there besides or even below God, rather these stories are meant to demonstrate how Love, Compassion, Christianity, or in the old Testament Judaism can defeat paganism, superstition, etc.
3. "The unnamed Tempter". Again, not necessarily a real demon, but rather a literary tool to stand in for the abstract concept of the temptation to do the wrong thing, internal conflict or self doubt.
Generally these stories were not taught to be taken literally, but rather stories that should demonstrate how love, compassion, and morals win against temptation, fear, and superstition. At least that's how it was for me growing up, but I am in no way a theologian, so this might not reflect official international catholic church dogma or any other catholics beliefs.
RIP, Joseph Smith, you would've loved Archive of Our Own.
Incidentally, I had seen the lyrics to "If You Could Hie to Kolob" various times, but I hadn't heard the tune. When I finally did, I already knew it- it's the tune of "The Star of the County Down," a traditional Irish song. Now every time I hear that song, I (a complete non-Mormon) think of Kolob.
When I heard Alyssa sing that song, the melody is the exact same of a Catholic hymn we sing at Mass- the name escapes me though!
Joseph Smith would log into AO3 to leave comments on other people’s Bible fanfic.
It was driving me crazy to remember the name of that hymn, so I looked it up- It’s called I Heard the Voice of Jesus Say, and it the exact melody of the If You Could Hie to Kolob song! So weird!
@@Jogjosmowwdkfs My guy has some wild headcanons, I'll tell you that much.
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thank you for sharing your side and the work that goes into putting your side out.
As a non-mormon growing up in a predominantly devout mormon area, it was a widely accepted concept that J. Smith was a descendant of Jesus. I was never told the scriptures that proved it, but all of my mormon friends and their teachers, & my father's teachers, all said this was true. So, maybe it's an Idaho thing? This "direct descendant" notion always seemed strange to me but I was an outsider.
It's amazing how much of mormon doctrine is super horny, yet most of the rules in regards to present day conduct revolve around not having sex. I've never been mormon, but I imagine it must be really common, both for current and ex mormons, to have huge hangups around sex they struggle to get past.
Also, if anyone has never seen it before, search "You can't touch mormon jesus" on youtube for a great remix of this cartoon to MC Hammer's "You can't touch this".
The policy in many religions is no sex *before* marriage, and then big families *after* marriage.
The debate continues whether sex before marriage helps or hurts in the long term.
I grew up Pentecostal and deconstructing my old religion and faith has been really difficult. So your videos have been really comforting and honestly funny as hell. My church’s doctrine was pretty different but still insanely strict and a lot of core values are identical. When you were doing just reels or TikTok’s I kept hoping you’d eventually do some long form videos because I had many notes to compare 😂
So thank you for making the content you do.
Me too (Pentecostal) 😊
Deconstructing is hard because you're so freaking "innocent" when you get out that people try to take advantage of you -- then you feel like they were right about all that bad stuff happening, but then you realize that they created you to be naive and sit back and prey on your downfall waiting for you to come crying back.
They say we're not a cult (although I have heard many pastors call the religion "radical" or "raficalized") but all of my friends and my mom's friends and my siblings' friends dropped us like a hot rock when we left.
And then it's like, I didn't have any friends outside the church! What the heck am I supposed to do now?
Lol 😅😅😅
@@SmolTrailer that’s my mom now who’s now left the Pentecostal church for a non-denominational church (that’s led by a former Pentecostal pastor)
I thankfully left young enough that I had a solid support system of friends but also for some reason all through childhood I would randomly make friends with Wiccan/witch girls who to this day I credit with being examples of “pagans” who were good and kind people who lived in ways I never really found to be bad outside of the witchcraft thing 😅
Now I couldn’t care less about that stuff, and I feel so much more free but now and then that programming rears its ugly head in my day to day life and adds anxieties I just don’t need to have
@yupitsjessbbyx3 one of the best things for me too was meeting people who broke the stereotypes. Nice Wiccans of all things! Friendly gay people *gasp*! Kind Catholics! Good goths! I was constantly meeting people that broke church stereotypes, and it helped me to get out. 😊
As someone who went to a Pentecostal Church, the thing that always weirded me out was the particular interpretation of spiritual gifts. Also interesting is, much like the Mormons or those horrible Prosperity Gospel churches, the founding of it is barely talked about.
@@jessebrook1688 yeah it’s awful when someone is gifted “prophesy” because now that person thinks every thought that enters their mind is divine intervention. My church was not a mega church so there was no wealth to speak on so we had the “the meek shall inherit” mindset. Sure life sucks and you’re not doing well- but if you give us 10% of your social security check surely the lord will provide regardless 👀
This reminds me of a project i did in middle school where we had to make up our own culture and religion. My group just made up something similar to this. 😂
This litterally sounds like its from the mind of middle schoolers.
I don't think the idea of Jesus being married comes from a specific quote but more from the overall teachings of the religion. You need to complete all covenants to get into the Celestial Kingdom. Jesus got baptized so it's not too far fetched to say he also got married. (I do however doubt he wore garments but that's a different discussion...) Brigham Young taught that in order to get into the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom a man needed minimal three wives, hence Jesus having three wives.