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A little less than 5 years ago Apple introduced a well-intentioned but ultimately ill-fated new MacBook: The 16 inch Intel MacBook Pro. It was meant to rescue creatives from the dark days of butterfly keyboards and Intel processors, but it ended up falling victim to some pretty unfortunate circumstances. Today let's unpack them!
time stamps
0:00 Things started off well
1:56 The 16" was actually really good
4:30 WWDC 2020 changed everything
5:43 16" Apple Silicon was the last straw
7:31 Embarrassed by a MacBook Air...
9:00 Was it a placeholder?
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96 KwH battery damn I should buy that to charge my Tesla with haha.
96w charger I think he meant!
@@DanLoudShirts 96 Wh capacity
@@DanLoudShirts No, he said battery.
😶😧
That will be the gallium nitrate doing its magic.
The 2020 Intel 10th Gen 13-inch was a way bigger kick in the nuts than this. It was announced barely a month before the Apple Silicon transition and was eclipsed in performance by the M1 in less than 6 months.
The Intel 16-inch was at least still the best graphics power you could get in a MacBook for around 2 years until the 2021 MacBook Pros released
Even then they were late to the party for a high spec laptop. 2019 was the first year you could even configure 64GB memory (and at nosebleed pricing), when I had been rocking a 64GB DIY upgrade in an XPS 15 for a few years already.
Honestly when that model came out, I very nearly pulled the trigger….but I waited a few months until reviews of the M1 started to drop
@@joelv4495 A large part of the problem was that Apple preferred to use LPDDR memory and Intel was capping that at 16 GB for years. I would have loved to order my 2017 model with 32 GB but that was not even an option.
I bought that one 😭😭😭 still using...
I remember buying that Mac in May 2020. Luckily was able to sell it an uograded to M1 for almost the same price! Phew
I got a used one last year for 1200,00. The first owner paid 4500. It's a beast! Radeon 5600 8gb vram, 64GB RAM, 2Tb. No regrets!
Solid deal tbh
Bargain deal! I have the 14” M2 Max however till this day, I still envy and miss bootcamp for dual booting OS
The same for me. I paid $1400 for mine on ebay. 70 battery charge cycles. Cosmetically perfect. Brought it to the closest apple store for a deep diagnostic test which took around 2 hours. the result was perfect.
@@ethanjrdz try utm to run windows (free)
And it can heat your house! For a couple hours...
I have one, bought it used in 2022 because I needed to be able to run bootcamp natively but still wanted a macOS experience. i9, 32GB RAM, 5500M GPU with 8GB VRAM. Didn’t realize how much I would love this thing despite its common flaws. Sure it’s hot and noisy but it runs all my creative software just fine and I don’t see a reason to upgrade anytime soon, even if I could afford it.
You should start thinking about it next year though. It may not get macOS 16
@@emilsecker7881 would be nice but it's unlikely that I'll have the budget for an upgrade within the next year, and I don't want to get a base model M2 or M3 Air just for the sake of getting something new.
And even though it's cool that my Intel MBP supports Sequoia, I might not even update from Sonoma unless other users report no performance loss. Apple will most likely offer security patches for Sonoma for a while like they do with other older versions of macOS.
@@emilsecker7881 However you get 3 years of security updates. So it's still fine to use for a while longer.
@@emilsecker7881it’s okay, Apple will still release security patches for older macOS like they always have. I might not even update to Sequoia because the performance on Sonoma has been surprisingly good and I don’t wanna stress about a potential rollback, even though I do use Time Machine. If I’m gonna upgrade my laptop I’m gonna want the same 1TB and no less than 16GB RAM and that’s just not a device I foresee myself being able to afford within the next year. So I’m riding this one until the wheels fall off.
i have the exact same computer (same specs) bought in November 2023. it replaced my M2 13" and it's such an upgrade to me. beautiful machine and the sound is incredible. bootcamp is awesome too, i love being able to run windows 10 natively. i have no plans to move back to apple silicon again.
They should bring back the touchbar. But instead of having it replace the function keys. It should simply be placed above the function keys.
They could just do the sane thing and give it a touch screen.
yeah like how the old hps did it
I remember in 2010 when there’s a trend many laptops use capacitive touch buttons like my old gateway nv54
But then they can't remove features in the name of making it smaller when no one asked for that.
@@tom_marsdencan't cannibalize iPad sales, that's why they will always be missing some overlap.
Going on year 4 with mine! It is a nice furnace in the winter months.
I have one and i loved it, but my M2 air is just a different beast. Way lighter, slimmer, incredible battery. It is just so so so much better and i love it
M2 air is an incredible machine.
@@joshuakolton9955 I got the M2 Air base model, and I put it on low power mode after charging to 80-85%, it literally lasts like 5 days. In a single charge. God damn
I also got one. I think it is a good laptop. I was a bit disappointed when I saw that the single core of the Dell Lattitude Intel Core i5-1335U I got on work this year, had a better single core performance. Multicore the MBP is still faster. The MBP 16" looks signifiantly better, have much better speakers, touchpad and keyboard than the Dell Latitude.
Still only a 60hz display though
@@starzenno facts, the battery life is crazy. I wish phones had a long battery life
96 kw hour battery 3:13 time
I had this laptop. I got it in November 2019 and had it for two years until I replaced it with the M1 Max MacBook Pro in November 2021. For me, the 2019 16" was what the Touch Bar Macs should've been from the beginning. It's too bad it came out at the very end of the cycle...
same, and I was replacing my 2013 trash can with it. Worst money spent lol
I hated my 2019 16” i9 MacBook Pro. It ran so, so hot, throttled all the time, and had really poor performance. It was so bad that I bit the bullet and traded it in in 2021 for a 16” M1 Pro MacBook Pro, which I still use today - it still feels brand new and the performance is crazy good. I totally felt like Apple sold me a lemon in 2019. They are lucky I stayed with them.
😂 wasn’t expecting the smooth jazz at the end
It’s amazing seeing that a lot of people still uses the 2019 16” MBP, most of them bought it back in ‘19-‘20, and still works nicely.
This model has a SERIOUS DESIGN FLAW ON ITS MOTHERBOARD. The TPS62180 buck converter, when it dies due to corrosion, heating or dust inside of it, immediately FRIES the SSD NAND and you can’t recover your info because they’re in a RAID array.
I love this machine, it has been with me since December 2021 (mine was produced in April ‘21) and still rocks, but I’m afraid that one day I will try to turn it on and it won’t do absolutely nothing.
Because of that flaw, I bought a 2020 27” iMac, and now I use it as my primary machine, while the MacBook is my “backup” or secondary machine, and I don’t use it as I used to be.
it won't do absolutely nothing? So it will do absolutely everything?
@@0w3nn it will die and won’t turn on anymore. iBoff and Louis Rossmann have a pair of videos about this.
Yup. Mine fried itself to death after 3.5 years for exactly this reason.
NAND failure is the main problem with all the Macs that use soldered storage. It’s the main thing I hate about Apple’s post-2015 design philosophy.
My wife had the same thing happen to her MacBook 12” and lost a fair bit of stuff because she wasn’t using iCloud drive and her TimeMachine backups were out of date. It also meant having to source a new motherboard (they’re not that expensive on eBay but most tend to be the older specs, and 16GB RAM variants are becoming quite rare), though it’s possibly one of the simplest repairs due to how streamlined the internals are.
@@EleanorMcHugh the 12 inch MacBook is one of the hardest laptops to repair with one of the highest rates of failures. Worst MacBook ever
Still using a 2015 15” with updated processor and dual graphics. Upgraded 2TB SSD. Bought for $100. Still does everything I need, and I use things pretty intensive. Use it more than my Apple Silicon Macs. Fan never bothers me, no big deal. Love it.
Got one fully loaded when they first came out. Used the hell out if it for 4 years. Hated how this thing fanned up and thermally throttled. Got a M2 Mac Studio and there is no comparison.
I still use a 2019 MacBook Pro 16”. I need real boot camp, not a virtualized windows machine. I run specialized software for work. Honestly, I can’t say I have any significant issues to this day. It hums along just fine and runs Halo Infinite and Overwatch in boot camp no problemo.
Most people just need a laptop that has a fast SSD, good screen, solid speakers and keyboard and since before the age of the i9 9980hk in this thing, they haven’t really needed bigger and badder CPUs for office work and lifestyle use of a laptop. It still supports Continuity, handoff, sidecar, etc.
It’s also slimmer and lighter than the M-series 16” macbook pros. For those with a decent TB3 Display, you never miss the HDMI port. Mouse and keyboard connected to the USB ports in your display works beautifully. I think this was how it was intended to be used. Portable, or else connected to an external display that also worked as a TB3 Hub.
Great laptop and to get 1TB of storage in anything M-Series isn’t even remotely worth the cost of upgrading, imo.
glad there's a number of us fans of this model in the comments, I think mine is a great computer and although I can always appreciate the progress of Apple Silicon, I'm one of those people that just needs something well-rounded that works.
I'm an IT consultant and at the time of this laptop, i recommended it a lot, and big pricy configurations.
Now, i tell the truth to all the buyers of this Mac and give advice to keep it until it dies, because it's not a bad laptop, it's powerful, it has a nice screen, despite a lot of flaws that his successors haven't.
I almost traded it back to Apple but only offered £450. So as you say just keep it till it dies.
Was there an unusually high failure rate with the 16" 1TB SSDs of having the 12v rail short out?
@@dustincarpenter1707 I had a 16inch Intel Mac have a dead motherboard just after 1 year. Got it replaced by seller under consumer law. Was that the 12v rail?
I have that laptop in an even beefier and more expensive version. I just got an M2 Max MBP and it is night and day. The 2019 now permanently runs boot camp for games.
All the best to Johnathan Morrison hope you recover soon
yeah, i was kinda expecting some announcement to help Johnathan since Luke used some of his video in this
@@fist003 yeah tbh a little dissapointed but lets hope Johnathan recover soon
I had an M1 Macbook Pro with the touch bar. I didn’t mind it at all, but since upgrading to the M3 Pro MacBook Pro, I have to say that the having the function keys is way better! I wish they would have kept the touch bar and simply added the function row right below.
That would have been awesome. Sadly, that's been what Apple has been failing to do since Steve Jobs died; screwing over customers for more profits.
Why? After 7 years of havig a touch bar I still haven't found it useful in any way. Quite the opposite - it often crashes.
I got one for $700 aud a year ago and it is a wonderful machine. Great screen no notch great performance with the i9
I bought mine in March 2020. The only thing I don’t like is the fans kicking in a lot.
I purposely did not buy an M1 because of the software I use that is not compatible so I don’t regret it at all. But yes, this laptop deserved better.
I bought it because I knew it fixed a lot of the issues the previous Mac Intel laptops had. And it was 16 inch.
Until the TPS62180 buck converter dies and fries the SSD NAND. Have one and I’m afraid of that serious design flaw.
I still use an early 2020 intel MacBook Pro 13 inch, base model with the Magic Keyboard. It burns my legs when I am using it pretty normally and Is very loud. Yes, It is way slower then the m1, but it has been getting the job done very well for 3 years.
I am in the same macbook with 4 thunderbolt model. Mine doesnt get hot that much maybe you have to clean it or yours 2 thunderbolt model with one fan. I like it mine and keeping it at least 3 more years because bootcamp and it works fine even for me as industrial designer. No issues for 3d modelling on rendering i prefer my hackintosh (connecting via anydesk) If I want to upgrade m3 pro still base model offers 18gb ram 512gb storage but mine is 16gb 512 so its basically same and not enough for a pro machine in 2024
I’m in the same boat
Dude, Apple does this every time they do a platform change. And, to make matters worse, they generally do it to those that spend the most on Apple products. Whether that be the MacPros, or Servers (back in the days), Apple is King at get people to clear out old inventory before raining a storm of obsolescence on their newly arrived parade. But, because Apple fans are the best apologists, we just suck it up and accept it. I miss the days of Walt Mossberg calling them out on this stuff.
Biggest case when Steve introduced the PowerMac G5 which only got TWO major OS X versions!!! And still claimed in the keynote that PowerPC will be supported for years to come. Come 2009, Leopard got succeeded and no PowerPC Mac’s got it
@@axethepenguin I think that the reason he said "years" was why you got TWO majors OS X versions, instad of just one.
i'm still using the 2019 macbook pro, 16 inch, base model... i do music production and it gets the job done just fine
Even if you test drove an M1 you would see an immediate difference.
I had one until m2 pro, and the différence is big!
same with me I'm still using 2019 MBP 16 inch for music production, but mine is i9 and 32 GB RAM
When did you bought it?
@@DanLoudShirts i sold my M2 macbook pro for this 2019 16" and the only thing i like more with apple silicon is the battery life
Dang, I had forgotten I even owned one of these. It was a beast. I was in America when the M1 was announced. I immediately ordered an M1 MacBook Air for when I returned home, and sold my Intel Mac as I could see the depreciation on the wall. Thankfully, I got pretty much what I paid for it!
It really takes discernment by consumers to understand timing with technology. My wife wanted to upgrade her macbook pro 2011 for a couple years, but because I knew the 2015-2019 macbooks were just not very good designs I upgraded the RAM and storage on her old macbook and told her to wait. Then got her an M1 air on sale for $800 within a few months of it coming out.
Similarly, I wouldn't sink a lot of money into a windows laptop right now, because I want to see how windows on ARM goes with the new Snapdragon chips. There are plenty of other examples too.
I do have 16 inch MacBook Pro 2019 and really LOVE it!
You even try a 16" M chip laptop and you will suddenly realise how dreadful the 2019 is.
@@DanLoudShirts Completely
@@DanLoudShirts No, I have never owned an M Series Mac since it launched. I am waiting until my Mac crashes or becomes outdated, and then I will buy the new 16-inch M Series MacBook Pro later.
How much time have you been owning it? I have one but I’m afraid of the serious design flaw that it has on its motherboard.
i went from apple silicon to this computer and haven't looked back. the only thing i liked more about my M2 macbook pro was the battery life
4:16 little Johnny with poker face 😂
A pretty similar thing happened with the PowerBook G4 right after the Intel transition was announced. It got DDR2 RAM, a higher resolution display, a dual-layer SuperDrive, and more battery life. And then less than 3 months later, the MacBook Pro came out and blew it out of the water.
I upgraded from my 15-inch, Early 2013 MacBook Pro to a 13-inch, M2 MacBook Pro a year ago... I Miss the old Intel days when I could dual boot Windows and macOS NATIVLY from my Mac... And the fan noise... ahhhhhhhh! Sounded like I was in a jet engine when in my room...
Edit: The fans were thunderous... So loud in fact, that whoever sat beside me when I was using this laptop thought that the rains had started, cuz it sounded like that
The edit was much required😂
I literally ordered 4 of 2019 macbook pro last night! Haha
I agree with everything you say pal. But it depends on the type of pro you are..
In our case we run a highly lucrative (95% profit-margin) web design agency, this machine at its current refurbished price will pay for itself literally after 24 hours.
Be practical folks, it's all about ROI..
Absolutely right! This laptop version (with all the corrections) was supposed to be the one to be released in 2016. The issue with Apple is the immediate gaslight whenever customers point out a design flaw with their products (the " you are using the product wrong, here is how to use it properly" type of thing). what is funny is how quickly and quietly they make changes when the backlash is too high without recognising publicly they were wrong. That arrogance is something I ABSOLUTELY HATE about Apple. This explains why I went from my 13-inch 2015 MCBK pro to the 16-inch M1 pro in 2022 and still using it.
I thought it was weird that the 2019 16-inch was basically a one off. Wonder if Apple was planning to keep it around and put Apple Silicon in it (like they did with the 13-inch) but then opted to kill the Touch Bar and do a complete redesign?
I got the impression it was a separate unit, they were trying to fix the 2018's issues and then it turned out they could use some of the elements from the 2021
Luke, i hve this and 2017 15" and this is fine for my needs. I just love the sound!!
Man I remember getting this early 2020, I got the 5600m, installed boot camp enjoyed 1080p gaming and the windows experience. It was also fast at the time on MacOS. Render times in After Effects was decent and not really an issue but over time, in a quick time, it became obsolete immediately the M1 Max came into the picture. I was hoping to use ithe 2019 MBP for at least 4-5yrs before upgrading. But then it became evident that this is gonna be the last of its kind and I'll need a faster laptop. So I got M3 Max MPB immediately it was available in lLate 2023.
This touches on all the best parts about that MacBook line! I will say, this was the absolute best culmination of that design and I can’t even imagine what it would’ve be like with Apple silicone. That being said, happy with the redesign and love the current generation MacBook lineups 🤷🏻♂️
Fantastic video as always!
I have one of those I bought it a few months back and I’m mainly using it as a Windows laptop. It’s been a great laptop.
Great video. Thanks. Luke, do you think it is worth buying 1k$ mbp 2019 now?
I'm watching this video on my M1 Max and my 2019 16 is sitting on my dinning room table, haven't been used in months. Every time I turn it on to update it and I hear the fans make me so happy to have my M1 Max.
I was selling my intel 16” when the m1 max was out. Ended up being scammed, basically stolen from me lol I find it a fitting story for that laptop tbh 😂
I used one of these for work up until two months ago. Never had a problem with it, plenty fast for everything I did. I liked the LED bar. I just lost that job and I miss this notebook. I did have some jealousy on everybody after me that had M1 chips, but our company made them have the smallest Mac notebook, whereas I had the slower chip and bigger monitor. Since I was doing fine speed-wise, I was fine with the slower processor.
I am getting great results on my loaded 2018 Mac Mini for home use (graphics, GoPro videos, and the usual other stuff), it has been so solid for the past five, six years now. That replaced an anemic 2014 Mac Mini that I had to limp along with until Apple got its act together and did an upgrade to the Mini, I don't miss that long wait. On another note, I'm rocking two 30" Apple Cinema Displays and have been for years now, I even bought a third one in case one goes out. I really liked the videos Luke did on these.
Still using my 2019 MBP 16” with eGPU, still love it !
I'm watching this video on a 2019 16" MacBook Pro. As a non-power user I got it for the large display. This video proves the adage that the fastest thing computers do is go obsolete.
Still got one of these for music production and basic photo work … and I also have a 13” quad core i7 with the same keyboard, use it every week for djing. As much as I’d like to upgrade they both still do what they need to and here in Australia I’d be spending $4k plus to replace them with a reasonable 14” MacBook Pro M2 Max. Not worth it in the current economic climate.
I had one of these, could see the way the wind was blowing and swapped it out for a 16gb MacBook Air M1. Anyone that kept hold of these whilst they still had value were insane.
Hey luke! Long time subscriber of your channel. I just wanted to say that I really appreciate the smooth jazz music at the end of the video, instead of electronic music. Had me sit in and enjoy it, instead of clicking away asap 😅. If you would ask me, i would say that smooth jazz is the way to go!)
I just bought 2019 Macbook pro with 30 cycles with the Radeon Pro 5600m. i was able to add apple care plus on it.
how much did it cost?
Specc'd mine with the monster Core i9 with a discreet GPU, it still holds its own well in 2024, but I agree it deserved better.
I spent $3300 on the i9 16” w/32GB of RAM and took an online cybersecurity course. 12 hours a week of class time plus labs. With zoom, at least two browser windows and a handful of browser tabs open each, and an external display plus an iPad connected as a sidecar display, and one or two virtual machines running, it would overheat and crash after an hour or so. To get through class I kept freezer gel packs handy and started rotating them under it the last hour of 2 of class. Also got a fan and cpu temp monitor and just set the fans to max the minute I turned it on. I can literally do the SAME THING on my (now 3 1/2 year old) M1 MacBook Air (16GB RAM) and I can’t slow it down and though it gets quite warm, it’s never hot.
“almost immediately” the 16” apple silicon came out at the end of 2021. this thing was their best offering for 2 years.
HI Luke, I'm hoping you might help. I've had this IMac for about 10-12 years now, but thinking I should get another for fear this one might be on it's last leg. Maybe a little clairity issues, but that could be me at 72, lol. What would you recommend as a replacement? I use UA-cam and pay my bills....
I bought one of these brand new. Only had it for like 6 months before I sold it to buy a 2019 Mac Pro in May of 2020, a month before the Apple Silicon transition. Call that a kick in the nuts lol. Still using it to this day alongside my 14" 2021 MBP. I fear my remaining support days are numbered, but I'm getting as much use out of it as I can!
Anyone know the name of his wallpaper on the mbp?
I really like the desktop wallpaper on the monitors sitting in the background- Any idea where to get?
Which MacBook should I choose for video editing? Both are almost the same price on Education sale. MacBook air m2 16gb 512gb VS MacBook air M3 16gb 256gb
I bought the i9 2.3 64GB/2TB/8GB 5500m version from the Apple refurb store in May of 2020 for £3300. I've just upgraded to a 16" M3 Max 16/40 64GB 2TB (again from the refurb store and saved £800). I never really felt like it "got got" because the i9 still worked, it didn't suddenly stop working or stop doing the things I did with it. Apple Silicon was new in laptops and intel still had many advantages. I'm keeping it. For me it's worth more as a second macbook than the stupid low money i'd get for it.
Fun fact I graduated high school in 2020 and for graduation my parents got me the latest MacBook Pro at the time. It was this one, and I was super happy with it. Then M1 series CPUs started coming out. Now I still have my 2019 16” as my daily driver and it gets the job done just fine.
I am typing this from a Late 2016 Macbook Pro - 13 inch with the Dual Core i5 (2 USB - C ports). Got this in Feb 2017 and knock on wood has been really good for my use case. Would love to try out the M- Chips based macs someday.
This video is to timely, I just picked up a 10 years old late 2014 27" iMac and updated it to Sonoma with legacy patcher. Aside from the fact that I can hear the fan and everything is a bit slower it's actually a surprisingly bearable experience
I was really forced to buy one of these during Covid lockdown because my then 3 year old MBP fan failed and when I started up the computer it sounded like the fan had beach sand in it. It was covered under AppleCare but Apple told me that repairs would be 6 months or longer. I was given full original price credit for trade in of my faulty Mac, and credit for the remaining AppleCare, and I bought this one because it was the only standard Mac listed that had everything I needed. Getting t a MacBook made for me with my requirements would have taken at least 6 months. I didn't really want a 16inch, but I went with it, and it was BEAUTIFUL and it worked great but it didn't fit on a helicopter or aircraft tray table well, and the battery only lasted about 4 hours when working hard. I travel for work and I just had to live with it. I got a 13" M1 MBP when they came out, and traded THAT when the 14 inch M3pro MacBook Pros came out.
Hi Luke great as always.
Need some help. My macro 5.1 set up was flying until the OCLP 1.5 update and I’ve spent a week trying to get it back. So probably time to move on. Question is to what. I want another pro to use all my upgrades but out of budget. Thinking M2 mini and use the bits for storage and sell the GPUs. As usual looking for most powerful stupid machine to play WOWS on parallels and watch YT/TV while presenting to be busy… should I just get a m4 MacBook Pro as my 8.1 is also tired
Really stuck…
This video brought a tear to the corner of my eye. To see such a marvel of technology so easily replaced is so sad.
I had the 16" intel macbook from 2019 to 2023. It was really good! FAR better than the previous 15" machines. I upgraded to the M2 32GB RAM macbook only recently with reduced referb pricing after the M3 came out. While I had the intel system I was jealous of the M chip macbooks. I was jealous of the fan noise and the magsafe and the great screen and the ports and the power. It was fantastic that Apple reacted to their customers and the changes in the 16" intel propagated to the M chip macbooks. Lessons learned it seems!
Such a coincidence that I'm watching this video as I reset the same MacBook pro model for guy to collect in the morning.
im still using this notebook, ive no desire to upgrade especially when sequoia got announced for it too, still does everything i need and has as much muscle in bootcamp as an xbox series s for gaming when i got some downtime from work.
I had the 16" 2019 model with i9, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd, AMD 5500m 8gb and that machine was just constantly loud and hot. The gpu was bugged and it ran even hotter when connected to a external display because the dedicated gpu was allways active and it pulled like 20w on idle. Upgraded to a 16" m1 max 32gb 1tb which was a huge upgrade in beeing completly silent during normal developer work tasks.
I have this pretty much spect out, it’s so awesome for litterally anything you want to do including windows and Linux
We've been using one of these for the past 4 1/2 years. It's a really good machine and we've had zero issues with it. No plans to replace it any time soon either. What exactly can the Apple Silicon Macs do that I can't do on this machine. It makes no real difference for anything on the web, office apps, video conferencing, photo editing etc. It's plenty fast, has an excellent screen, mic, speakers etc. It still gets OS/security updates (even if that's only for another 1-2 years the machine will be 6-7 years old by then). We'll eventually replace it when the time comes, like with everything else.
can confirm that it is upsetting that my 2019 16" 2tb 16gb way too expensive mbp gets rekt by apple silicon. The only saving grace for me is that i really like the touch bar
A terrific subject for a video of yours, Luke. The 2019 16 inch was certainly going to be rendered significantly outdated in 2 years' time, but the thing is there had to be a MacBook Pro of some sort released then. Plus it had so many good features that laid the foundation for the Apple Silicon generation of MacBook Pros, which we can thank the 2019 model for basically trialing.
I still miss my 17" MacBook with a ton of ports on it. My computer I still do most my computing on is my 2020 27" i9 ten core iMac and is as fast as my Macbook Pro M1 Max. It really shows that core counts matter. Apple loves to talk about core counts, but what matters is how many performance cores there are unless doing graphics heavy work then GPUs are important part of that equation.
I still use my 17" MacBook whenever I need a laptop
I bought this MacBook a few months ago, because I need the Intel Chip for native Windows support. Also there is no 16" screen on a mac with 32GB ram and dedicated graphics (I got the 8gb radeon version) for this price. Love this machine.
I have a 2018 15" one of these with the 6 core intel, and I absolutely love it today - only thing to concern is it need a new battery way before than my 2012 15" one, which runs 6 years with first battery over 80%, but this one is dropped to 80% nearly 3 years. The keyboard is other thing :)
you know what - I have M1 pro max 16 - use it for video editing - main purpose, but also was using for anything else as it was my only laptop. But when I got around 2015 macbook air for 100, I grabbed it and now using it for everything else other that video editing, as its light, good battery enough, does all I need reasonably fast. So now saving my m1 from performance degradation, and using it once in a 1 or 2 weeks and super happy with it. And because its so light, I can take it anywhere and not even feel it in the backpack (compared to my 16inch). When I checked that m1 still at around 500 these days, I have to say, old intel air is still quote an awesome deal for general use.
I wonder if there is a way to solder in a motherboard with Apple Silicon because other than the intel processor, that is the perfect MacBook. Great graphics, massive screen, fantastic battery, no butterfly keyboard, and a touchbar with physical escape key. Literally perfect
Hey Luke, you hit the nail on the head with this video!
I have this one with 32GB of ram and 8GB graphics. I’ve used it a lot in photo editing, CAD and in harsh environments this past 4 years and it’s been great. I’ve started to look for a replacement a couple of weeks ago, and will probably land on a M2 Pro 14”
I used this model at work (I’m a UX designer)…
The bad
- the heat
- the fans
- the awful battery life
- woeful performance
- the touch bar is useless (means you have to take eyes off work- it was always a gimmick).
The good
- the speakers sound unreal; better than anything out there today
- the big screen
I ended up getting an ‘upgrade’ to a 1st gen M1 13” MacBook Air… and yes it was an upgrade- fixing all the bad aspects above made it a more dependable machine despite the smaller screen/speakers.
The 2019 16" DID get a video for it. I suggest you look it up, it's one of Apple's best.
does that macbook air have a 16" screen?
I had one of this, accidentally brick it when trying to apply new thermal paste. Later trade to M1 pro but this thing still holds a special place in my heart because it is my first mac.
I bought that 16in MacBook Pro for $500 with the 2.4 i9 with 64gb ram, 2tb ssd and the 5500M with 8gb. Not gonna lie it’s still a beast for the money, despite the flaws 👌
i got stuck with this model as well knowing m1 was around the corner but i did not expect how soon they were going to announce it since they always lag to implement new things..... Ive never never felt so betrayed in my life lol Every time i use it i feel the resentment
still rocking the 16 inch (base model) picked it up for 350 like 8 months ago. I love it, i know it's not gonna last forever, but thats ok, ive used my moms m1 air, and its buttery smooth, but the screen size on this is amazing. its not the best, its not the most efficient, or powerful, or anything like that. but it still works, and I still love it
Yeap also spent like 3k+ on mine. Managed to sell it for just over $900 a few months ago, which I felt was lucky. Ended up getting an m1 macbook air instead because it's so much lighter to backpack.
been using this since early 2020. I9, 16GB RAM, Radeon 5500M. The main died once in April 2022 but I was lucky to get it replaced for free under consumer law. Unfortunately it’s not good; gets hot really fast and fans run very loud. Simple tasks such as web browsing is laggy. I hope one day I’d save enough money to buy Apple Silicon. The best thing I could say is that this laptop becomes my portable hub for charging my iphone, ipad and apple watch while travelling lol.
Best thing is the 3 generations of Apple Silicon since has pushed used prices of both these to £500 and the 4 Thunderbolt port 13” models down to around £400 with 32GB on eBay. You can just about get a 13” M1 with 16GB for £550-600 in comparison.
I'd say the title is misleading. That machine was a beast if you had it with an 8 core configuration, 32GB of ram and MID-TOP tier Radeon in it - it was king of Macbook performance for 2,5 years. M1 yes, good, but still, it was slower in cpu department and waaaaay slower in GPU and it was still a 13" screen, no way near 16". Then M1 Pro 16" came along and finally matched the i9, it was still slower in terms of graphics buck per buck comparison and the CPU performance was only 20% more... I say only because 2,5 years have passed already at this point. I eventually did upgrade to a M2 Pro and I still can see how I would still use that 3 year old machine still perfectly
I had a 2018 intel 15 inch Macbook Pro. As soon as Apple silicon came out I sold It before it depreciated. I don't miss the fan noise and how hot it got. When I checked temperatures it was always at 80-90 degrees.
i still use mine, just disable intel turbo boost and it helps out with the fan/heat/battery issue.
In September of last year I bought an unused base model M1 Mac Mini for the equivalent of $325 and it's by far the best computer I ever had. Going by specs it should be less powerful than my previous PC laptop but it performs tasks faster, smoother and quieter. Will probably use it 2-3 more years.
8:25 intel chip is truly a nightmare. I was an Asus rog laptop user with 11th gen intel and It always goes crazy noisy when idle, in web scrolling, copying and pasting files in file explorer, and basically everything. I'm so happy with my decision to get a M1 Max Macbook after the mess.
I especially empathize with the folks who bought these early on, especially since the wait times for them were pretty ridiculous until basically June/July 2020. Like we're talking there were folks waiting 2 and 3 months for the in stock configurations, which is why I didn't end up getting one.
By the time they were readily available though (which was June/July 2020), Apple had announced the transition to Apple Silicon so I decided to wait and see what they came out with by the end of the year. I am very glad I did, and think most folks who bought Intel Macs after WWDC 2020 should have waited unless they absolutely needed a new Mac right then and there, and those folks that did should have just bought a base model. I was actively telling folks to wait if they could because even if Apple put the chip from the iPad Pro in a MacBook it was going to be amazing.
I have two Macbook Pro 2019 -- display is broken in the same way (vertical strip) on both
Just got a 2017 MBP 15.4 500gb with under 300 cycle count on the battery for $500 CAD ($364 USD) I could have bought a an m1 macbook air for a couple hundred more but the 13.3 screen size is a massive deal breaker for me and this thing has been absolutely fine for my day to day use. I don't plan to get any less than 3 years out of this machine!
I’m an architecture student with the minimum spec 2019 MBP 16. While Apple Silicon came out around same time I bought it (3.5ish years ago) my laptop was much better because all our software were optimised for Intel Macs. My mates with M1s were struggling for ages because their machines ran software thru Rosetta. Its only really now that the Silicon Macs are winning because all our main softwares are optimised for Silicon. So I reckon although now its a bit old, MBP 2019 still a beast and I love it :)
I have one and I still use it for everything computational. I am not disappointed that I got it right before the M-series were released.
I WAS a Mac Nostalgia guy.....searching for and buying those Macs I really wanted in my "collection"..... NO MORE....I have sold all my Intel Macs. That era is long over....long live Apple Silicon !!!
I'm still using the 16-inch 2019 Macbook Pro. I love the Touch bar.
A lot of programs still dont run well or even at all on arm, so this is still valuable to many people.