Context, the Seahawks are doing a bit of interior renovations at the VMAC. This includes going digital with these photographic moments of ALL the previous Seattle team greats.
Oh yea digital. But the fact remains, the ownership erases the history of the team instead of embracing it. On the brick and mortar building...where they play....there will be nothing from the past. I wonder what current players will think when they get their accomplishments erased?
How do they not know Who Shawn was. I still remember Sega 92 NHL players from then. Must be the weed or something cause for me you Say a name i could tell you the sport.
@kmerk206-4 ...til they have a losing season. I've been a Seahawks fan since birth. The season before they won to the season they won it was like night & day... even at training camp. Probably half at least, fake MFrs.
@@ringwormsherm You think so? Dudes never been a head coach before, Carroll is a HOF coach you think this new guy is going to come in and do better with this roster. Get real there about to finish 3rd or worst in the division again. Cardinals are underrated going into this season, they hit on a few picks like the texans did I could see them as a 8‐10 win team possibly 7th seed.
Dude, its not absurd at all. There is still history in the building. They cleared one hall way. Relax. You should just be thrilled that Pete is gone. He was a good coach TEN YEARS ago. Hawks fans are clueless I swear
Glad he was finally able to talk about the Seahawks for a second. The legion of boom and all the great players who have came through are and will remain immortalized. I’m sure that there are plaques, books, pictures, trophy’s, etc. not to mention, we live in a digital age. Painting over a wall and letting your team create their own identity instead of chasing after former players’ identities isn’t “burying history”
Leonard Williams is an odd choice to get a player's perspective. He played in the old regime for less than a season. He probably doesn't have the same connection to Carroll or the players from the Superbowl era like other Seahawks would. What does someone like Tyler Lockett think? All of this is fine if Macdonald delivers. If he does, it's a brilliant motivational tactic. If he flops then this is stupid and disrespectful. As a Seattle fan my expectations are that Carroll won a Superbowl and lost a second and Mike Holmgren made it to the Superbowl. Aside from one season between those eras, that's the Seahawks of the 21st century so that's the standard. If you're going to paint over the wall to create a new wall, then there better be great stuff to paint on the new wall. Personally I wouldn't take this approach because it just gives people more ammo to crap on me if the team struggles but I'm not an NFL coach.
@@punishunext5148patriots win 1 lombardi.good thing they completely forgot abt it and didn’t make it their whole team personality cus they totally didn’t win 5 more.
As a Seahawks fan, a week or 2 ago Nwosu said with the regime change it made the players closer together, an that they got the right coaches in. And given how stale, and unmotivated weve been playing, i like whts going on. Build a new culture and identity cuz under Pete we still hadnt gotten over SB 49 i feel like. Go Hawks
@@Ididdledyourwife I’m not extreme, I’m even willing to give it to you if you work within the organization. You’re a trainer? Sure, say we. You’re on the sports nutrition team? Ok fine. Equipment staff? Deal, go for it. Janitor on the nightshift… you’re pushing it but we can still let it slide…otherwise slow your roll
Y’all, as a hawks fan, Pete did the exact same thing when he came in. These guys aren’t being removed from the ring of honor, but Walter Jones and Kenny Easley don’t have pictures up in the walls either. It’s not that deep.
Yeah its about moving on to the next chapter. The LOB was one of the greatest defenses, on one of the best teams of all time. But every modern player has been living in the shadow of that including even a all time great like Bobby Wagner who was part of that. Just like every player was living in the shadow of great players like Alexander, Jones and Hasselbeck from the Holmgren regime. It implies you're the face now, its your turn to earn this wall space. Fans know that players involved in the organization in the past are and have always been welcomed as family (short of showing themselves the door like a Wilson situation) and many of those players are going to be in the ring of honor, representing in the Hall, or involved in the team in terms of media (Mack Strong). Noones gonna forget about them, the team certainly wont, its just important to let the next generation be themselves (which is why you give a 6 year contract to a coach, to give them a realistic set of comfort/opportunity). For me personally, it lightly bothers me. But I understand what the goal is. The message its intending to send.
damn i guess i might be the only seahawks fan who is ok with change all we ever hear is . lob we need lob 2.0 or more beat mode. because we repaint a wall doesnt mean it didnt happen. coach isnt trying to move into a new girlfriends house and leave all her old pictures up with her ex bf and the good times they had together
THANK YOU. They are capable of taking pictures of the mural and recreating it for the Seahawks Museum or HoF, whatever they wish. The current players need to make their own marks. I've been a fan for decades and have no problems with this situation.
Yeah as long as thy keep something about super 48 up to show players and motivate, I'm fine with making a new identity. We never got over super bowl 49 with Pete as head coach. As long as former players like Bobby, Sherman, etc.. aren't disrespected then I'm all for building a new identity culture.
I’m okay with the change too I’m tired of each time getting a new good defensive player and tired of someone saying LOB 2.0 which is not and now need to make new history
@@DaneOrschlovsky MoPop or museum of pop culture in downtown Seattle has a permanent Seahawks Exhibit. We have a exact replica of the Lombardi trophy and countless pictures and other cool things.
As a Seahawks fan, I don’t mind it! I appreciate what Mike is trying to do. Let’s keep this in perspective, right? This was a practice facility, this was not Lumen Field. We really don’t have anyone left from that era, and yet it feels like we’ve been haunted by the ghosts of 2014, dying for a fresh start and never getting one. I appreciate the opportunity to start over in earnest, new regime, new players, and something to look forward to! Go hawks!
If the players felt haunted by some pictures then they never gonna reach the highest peaks no one was comparing them to the superbowl bowl team it just makes the players seem weak willed
@@LawrenceofMinnesota what? Seahawks have had a legitimate legacy they could talk about since before the Bozz days. Now it’s nothing more than a cash grab with no history.
@@LawrenceofMinnesota We got one. We gotta ring and have been to a 3 superbowls. That's more than some franchises that have been around for double the time.
If Russ doesn’t throw that interception the Seahawks can make the claim that they are the GREATEST defense of All Time securing SB wins over Historic offenses like Peyton and Brady BACK TO BACK. It’s such a shame that call at the 1.
"I don't think you should bury history to create your own." Pat's words here are so spot on in so many aspects of American culture right now. 100% correct Pat! This show is so damn refreshing to listen to compared to the majority of modern media who's group think and collectivism makes me want to vomit
As a Redskins fan who lives in San Diego, whose experienced a team leaving a city and my team getting a name change, I dont have a huge problem with painting over a mural that mostly only players are going to see and a handful of fans probably once in their life. You can make another one, even better, in a public setting for fans to enjoy. Those memories will never die. If you pulled down statues or monuments at the stadium though, thats a different issue.
Create their own historic moments so those to can be disregarded and painted over when they walk out the door... Good teams seem to maintain thier identity not scrap it with every new coach
@@AllUpOns that's a pretty soft minded interpretation lol "unless a painting of me inside a building that nobody in the public ever sees stays up for all of eternity, then why should i care about anything?" lol this "give me my flowers" generation is wildly feeble minded
I love it. For the better part of a decade we had to watch players - especially defensive rookies - come in and fail miserably to live up to previous names. The Seahawks organization has tried to milk nostalgia for too long. We brought back Bobby Wagner on a failed attempt. We brought back Lynch for the last couple games of 2019 and it was ugly. People were even talking about bringing back Russell before the Steelers signed him. Let it go. Turn the page. No one's going to forget the Lombardi or the tip because they took down a few pictures on one wall.
Living in and remembering the past are two different things. Get rid of the mantras and phrases Pete used makes sense. But this is the history of the team he covered up. The most successful team seattle has ever had and their covering it up.
@@O4C209 Exactly. It's not just some arbitrary history we're talking about. It's literally images of the players. The only message the players can take from this is "You are disposable, so expect the same thing to happen to you when the next regime shift happens."
@@trentwise3762 it's just like people who whined that taking down confederate soldier statues was "erasing history".... like no, it still exists, all you gotta do is google it "and they're covering it up" lol jesus people are so melodramatic and uppity these days
Everyone acting like this is a bad thing when, in reality, this is good. It's a new Era for the Hawks. Macdonald is bringing in a new culture because our last one was dying. Our history will always have a place there, but this isn't Carrols team anymore. I'm excited as a Seahawk fan.
I can see both sides of this. But as a Seahawks fan I must say the last few years have been just absolutely stagnant. I've heard Legion of Boom 2.0 way too many times. Respect the traditions and players who came before you, but set your own course.
Not what happened. Everything on the wall was moved into digital form and moved to a TV showing it all. Makes complete sense. New coaching staff, new mentality.
It's a good thing. That whole building has been stained by Russell Wilson's Super Bowl losing INT, and the stench of all the aftermath, for the last 10 years. With Pete Carrol being out, they need to reset. They'll bring it all back eventually, but it's a good thing to do for now, imo
Hawks fan here. I trust John + Mike - people in the building know the legacy but they are also trying to turn a new chapter for the franchise. Can't just always live in the past; the fans know and current players should be able to build their own current legacy. Pete is in the building, too. Seattle holds our legends in high regard
As a seahawks fan I'm so happy we moved on from Pete AND happy we got rid of the old decor in the facility. I don't wanna hear what Sherman or KJ has to say about either, they gave up the right to an opinion when they signed with the Niners IMO.
🤬 up. You don't care what they have to say lol when in fact, nobody gives a damn what you have to say. And when people say they hate Seattle fans, you are who they are talking about!
As a Seahawks fan my whole life. It’s time we move on alittle we’ve been trying to “GET BACK” to the Legion of Boom rather than inspiring the team that exists now to be there own team and create their own legacy to ADD to the Seahawks history.
That history is literally all the Seahawks fan have. Well that and those playoff runs in the 80's when everyone in Seattle used to drink beer out of a can. I remember how stoked everyone got when the Seahawks faced the Raiders in that AFC championship game some 40 years ago.
As a Seahawks fan I am fine with this, the past generation of players think they’re the only thing that matters to the team. They make it all about themselves.
I mean you are talking about them taking down images of Seahawks that weren't Zorn, Largent, Knoxx, Hasslebeck, Alexander anyway. Apparently, it is a pretty normal thing to reduce the scope of past characters to an iconic few, as new characters arrive on the scene.
Pat and team, Yeah it sucks seeing the mural go, but John has publicly come out and said they're going digital. Multiple TV's showing all our history including the Caroll era. Go Hawks!
@@seelzonwheelz69overly simplistic analysis. Btw, he was under contract and colts released him and took the cap hit - all so he would have the choice to choose his team. Honestly, what else do you want? Many teams would have traded him away to the Raiders or some other dumpster fire and snagged themselves a couple 1sts in the process.
@@J..P.. In hindsight it would have been a good idea for the Colts to keep Peyton around and let Luck learn from the best. Luck's whole struggle really stemmed from being thrust into the role of being the next Peyton Manning, and his mentality suffered badly behind the scenes.
They are changing the training center which was actually rebuilt after the Legion of Boom or because of the Legion of Boom they were initially in Kirkland and not at the VEMAC but they have not changed Lumin at all.
Burying history seems to be the popular thing to do is this country now. I see it as the organization not feeling the new guys can live up to the standard of the old players. As not to put pressure on these new softer players, they just bury legacy of the men before them. You will never see a Ronnie Lott, Lyle Alzado, Lawerence Taylor in this game ever again, simply because the new guys aren't built tough like that anymore and the league has taken all the traits we loved about football out of the game. No big hits, no tough defenses, not letting corners fight for the ball etc. Todays game simply looks like an x box video game, sterile and washed out. You can see bigger hits in hockey every night of the week.
As a Seahawks fan, I’m embracing the change. Just because old photos of the LOB aren’t on the walls any longer, it doesn’t equate to forgetting about or trying to erase the past. Pete C is and always will be a well respected and much loved coach to both players and fans. And with all due respect to his legacy, things had gotten too predictable and stale. I love the idea of things being a blank slate, where today’s team can make their own destiny and produce spectacular new shots of big moments to fill those barren halls with and inspire!!! 👍
Further proof that these teams don’t love you man! Take no prisoners in contract negotiations and leave whenever you want to. The team will exorcise your memory from the team as soon as it’s convenient to them and helps their bottom line. History only matters when THEY say it matters.
Obviously I don't know any of the current inner workings of the Seahawks, but I think this could be a sign of serious locker room problems brewing. A team will not succeed with a tumultuous locker room. This might be a bad sign for the upcoming Seahawks season, and I don't believe that's an overreaction.
The main contradiction for me with Pete Carroll's message of 'being fully in the next moment' (which I totally agree with), was his obsession with doing things the way the Legion of Boom and Marshawn Lynch did (which were second to none, and incredible), and his obsession with bringing old players back. I get it, but also that's not living in the next moment with what you have. I imagine Mike Macdonald recognized this was holding back the team, this constant reminder of the past.
You blame Pete but didn’t JS just bring in penny for a workout? Pete took all the fire for over a decade, things are going to get much worse before they get any better with him gone.
No lie when I hear Payton manning I will forever see him in a much brighter shade of blue than navy. I live in Denver and the man is super involved with the city and everything but I still can’t help it since I grew up with colts Peyton.
To be fair they never should have put up Johnny U or any Original Colts because the players including Johnny U already told off the Indy Colts. They are Baltimore Ravens according to many of them and this is why most of them are here or where in Baltimores community and helping the Ravens after they played.
No, thats exactly what rational thinking people would do. Instead we're in prime revisionist territory. "Paint over it all so WE'LL be the first ones to bring Lombardi trophies here"
I guess you missed the current Seahawks players who said it has really inspired them to create their own moments, instead of the soft pathetic mediocre team of the last 5 years
Life is what have you done for me lately....as a 40 year Seahawk fan....the SB was great LOB Great Russ great, Marshawn great....but that was 10 years ago, living in the past and not improving...resting on your laurels...Its time for a new coach, new team to build their own identity...earn it...
Bro, leon Williams has only been with the seahawks one season .his opinion doesn't matter . Long live the legion of boom and pete carroll era Go hawks baby
idk where pat gets this idea that people remember Peyton as a Bronco. Only memories of Payton as a Bronco i got is him getting smoked in a superbowl and him barely being able to complete a pass while f'in Brock Osweiler and Von Miller carried them to a Superbowl. Can't even count the 2nd ring tbh...
When you step into a position sometimes you have to make changes to say, “I’m not the old leader, and this is MY program now” and the people who don’t like it were probably the ones who’d cause problems, living in the past “That’s not how so and so did it” types. So get rid of those types, and move forward.
Crazy that Pete Caroll did the exact same thing when he arrived, almost like this is signifying a new era like the one before it. Honestly that’s about as good of a tribute you need. And get outta here with “they got rid of everything” that’s just a lie 😂
I dont know why they dont use those walls to motivate and create new team spirit by saying, look what these people did, lets get you up on these walls too, lets go. The only thing that should be painted over is that pass call on the 1 yard line in the Superbowl when they had Beast Mode Lynch. I will never recover from that.
Context, the Seahawks are doing a bit of interior renovations at the VMAC. This includes going digital with these photographic moments of ALL the previous Seattle team greats.
Thanks. Now I can watch something else
😂😂don’t ruin a good narrative with reality
Oh yea digital. But the fact remains, the ownership erases the history of the team instead of embracing it. On the brick and mortar building...where they play....there will be nothing from the past. I wonder what current players will think when they get their accomplishments erased?
@@thefourhorsemen91take it easy pal it’s just a game. I’m sure those millionaires on the wall arent worried about it being painted
@@Ididdledyourwife Doesn't sound like you are even a fan. Why are you even commenting if you don't care? Those of us who do care, see it as slap.
Seahawks title, but colts segment 🤣
Dude for real!
Lol exactly
Right
That’s how it is with Seattle and the media
as a seahawk fan im used to it we never get talked about at all we so far.
This is exactly how you end up with comments during that last Seattle run like: "These people don't even know who Shaun Alexander is."
Honestly, I only know who he is because that the madden he was on the cover for was the first madden I ever play
@@mikehurt3290 Was that still the *best* madden you ever played?
He said first@@Narrator007
@@kobecross3298 I know what he said...
How do they not know Who Shawn was. I still remember Sega 92 NHL players from then. Must be the weed or something cause for me you Say a name i could tell you the sport.
Former Seahawks: Let’s Hide
Seattle sports fans never hide 😂
@kmerk206-4 ...til they have a losing season. I've been a Seahawks fan since birth. The season before they won to the season they won it was like night & day... even at training camp. Probably half at least, fake MFrs.
@@R__Kpeople don't remember how bad Seattle really was. Had to run away from the AFC West to actually start winning
But during a low point of the fan base they trade to move the team and the entire fanbase had a “sit-in” in the city of Seattle to stop it😂
@@R__Ki understood all the words you used, but, wut??
As a Seahawks fan. Love hearing about the colts.
Ohhh now we talk about the Seahawks. Didn't want to talk about the ENTIRE NEW COACHING STAFF. But now lmao
lol was thinking the same thing. Covered every other little coaching news but didn’t even mention Seattle
Because nobody cares about the trash Seahawks. New coach was a meh hire that nobody cares about. Why would they talk about the Seahawks?
He still didn’t talk about the Seahawks 😂 this show is unreal
@@limitedbom2206”Nobody cares about them” 🤓
@@limitedbom2206Nobody cares about you tho 😆👀
New Rule: Can’t Paint Over Past Teams, Unless You’re A Better Team!
Well, I can tell you the 2024 seahawks will be helluva lot better than the lousy product pete carroll has put out the last 4-5 years
@@ringwormsherm You think so? Dudes never been a head coach before, Carroll is a HOF coach you think this new guy is going to come in and do better with this roster. Get real there about to finish 3rd or worst in the division again. Cardinals are underrated going into this season, they hit on a few picks like the texans did I could see them as a 8‐10 win team possibly 7th seed.
@@ringwormshermtime will tell I guess
Mission accomplished. Next.
@@ringwormshermyou really are a parasite lol
Absolutely absurd they’d paint over the only real legacy the Hawks had. Rookie coach move to the extreme
Pete did the exact same thing. Know your history.
Dude, its not absurd at all. There is still history in the building. They cleared one hall way. Relax. You should just be thrilled that Pete is gone. He was a good coach TEN YEARS ago. Hawks fans are clueless I swear
It's egos
This ain’t the last no more that don’t matter it’s a new era why would you want things to be the exact same when it hasn’t worked in the last 10 years
@@InUteroKDC outside of 2005 there was no real history to erase
Glad he was finally able to talk about the Seahawks for a second.
The legion of boom and all the great players who have came through are and will remain immortalized. I’m sure that there are plaques, books, pictures, trophy’s, etc. not to mention, we live in a digital age. Painting over a wall and letting your team create their own identity instead of chasing after former players’ identities isn’t “burying history”
The Jets are probably doing the same thing to their “18 weeks” wall we saw in Hard Knocks
Yea but they do that every single year that’s their thing cause it’s all the weeks of the current season
Jamal Adams
@@crediblecommenterr is one of the worst players in the nation, watch no one sign him 😂
@@crediblecommenterrlol I can’t believe we got 2 first rounders for that guy. Garrett Wilson came from that trade.
Leonard Williams is an odd choice to get a player's perspective. He played in the old regime for less than a season. He probably doesn't have the same connection to Carroll or the players from the Superbowl era like other Seahawks would. What does someone like Tyler Lockett think? All of this is fine if Macdonald delivers. If he does, it's a brilliant motivational tactic. If he flops then this is stupid and disrespectful. As a Seattle fan my expectations are that Carroll won a Superbowl and lost a second and Mike Holmgren made it to the Superbowl. Aside from one season between those eras, that's the Seahawks of the 21st century so that's the standard. If you're going to paint over the wall to create a new wall, then there better be great stuff to paint on the new wall. Personally I wouldn't take this approach because it just gives people more ammo to crap on me if the team struggles but I'm not an NFL coach.
Remembering history is a good thing. It's not something that should be erased. 😢
Laughable. Living off past glories is a loser mentality. This was a great fkg move. The players are more focused now then any time in the past 6 years
@@punishunext5148well I mean ask the 49er fans about that lol.
@@punishunext5148patriots win 1 lombardi.good thing they completely forgot abt it and didn’t make it their whole team personality cus they totally didn’t win 5 more.
@@punishunext5148shit they’ve won more super bowls in the last 20 years than most have win in their entire franchise
Yeah they should build new hallways.
As a Seahawks fan, a week or 2 ago Nwosu said with the regime change it made the players closer together, an that they got the right coaches in. And given how stale, and unmotivated weve been playing, i like whts going on. Build a new culture and identity cuz under Pete we still hadnt gotten over SB 49 i feel like. Go Hawks
Straight clown show
How stale “we’ve” been playing? You on the team bro?
@@brandonl2555I love saying that to people😂 some get too invested and need a reminder
@@Ididdledyourwife I’m not extreme, I’m even willing to give it to you if you work within the organization. You’re a trainer? Sure, say we. You’re on the sports nutrition team? Ok fine. Equipment staff? Deal, go for it. Janitor on the nightshift… you’re pushing it but we can still let it slide…otherwise slow your roll
@@brandonl2555embarrassing
Joseph Addai, wow, had'nt heard that name in a while. dude was a MONSTER
Mid
he was a fantasy stud way back in the day!!!!
@@Chonsta solid 10 points
Lol not really
I loved Joseph Addai but idk if I’d call him a monster
So what, this is the Indianapolis Chuck and Grigsons?
Hahaha! Awesome!
Y’all, as a hawks fan, Pete did the exact same thing when he came in. These guys aren’t being removed from the ring of honor, but Walter Jones and Kenny Easley don’t have pictures up in the walls either. It’s not that deep.
Yeah its about moving on to the next chapter. The LOB was one of the greatest defenses, on one of the best teams of all time. But every modern player has been living in the shadow of that including even a all time great like Bobby Wagner who was part of that. Just like every player was living in the shadow of great players like Alexander, Jones and Hasselbeck from the Holmgren regime. It implies you're the face now, its your turn to earn this wall space. Fans know that players involved in the organization in the past are and have always been welcomed as family (short of showing themselves the door like a Wilson situation) and many of those players are going to be in the ring of honor, representing in the Hall, or involved in the team in terms of media (Mack Strong). Noones gonna forget about them, the team certainly wont, its just important to let the next generation be themselves (which is why you give a 6 year contract to a coach, to give them a realistic set of comfort/opportunity).
For me personally, it lightly bothers me. But I understand what the goal is. The message its intending to send.
Y'all making excuses , for these owners cuddling these new players feelings.
@@deliriouswhome1cuddling their feelings?🤔🤔🤔
@deliriouswhome1 did you mean "coddling"?😂😂😂
@@AxleHawklooks like the same word to me
damn i guess i might be the only seahawks fan who is ok with change all we ever hear is . lob we need lob 2.0 or more beat mode. because we repaint a wall doesnt mean it didnt happen. coach isnt trying to move into a new girlfriends house and leave all her old pictures up with her ex bf and the good times they had together
THANK YOU. They are capable of taking pictures of the mural and recreating it for the Seahawks Museum or HoF, whatever they wish. The current players need to make their own marks. I've been a fan for decades and have no problems with this situation.
Yeah as long as thy keep something about super 48 up to show players and motivate, I'm fine with making a new identity. We never got over super bowl 49 with Pete as head coach. As long as former players like Bobby, Sherman, etc.. aren't disrespected then I'm all for building a new identity culture.
I’m okay with the change too I’m tired of each time getting a new good defensive player and tired of someone saying LOB 2.0 which is not and now need to make new history
@@akasilkyslimaka our only Lombardi trophy
@@DaneOrschlovsky MoPop or museum of pop culture in downtown Seattle has a permanent Seahawks Exhibit. We have a exact replica of the Lombardi trophy and countless pictures and other cool things.
It was literally one wall and the wallpaper was pealing and jacked up. Still plenty of stuff from the LOB and Beastmode days around that building.
In context John Schneider has stated the past still lives on digitally around the building on walls and photos etc….
As a Seahawks fan, I don’t mind it! I appreciate what Mike is trying to do. Let’s keep this in perspective, right? This was a practice facility, this was not Lumen Field. We really don’t have anyone left from that era, and yet it feels like we’ve been haunted by the ghosts of 2014, dying for a fresh start and never getting one. I appreciate the opportunity to start over in earnest, new regime, new players, and something to look forward to!
Go hawks!
Exactly . A haunted sense of being a part of the past
If the players felt haunted by some pictures then they never gonna reach the highest peaks no one was comparing them to the superbowl bowl team it just makes the players seem weak willed
As a loyal Seahawks, this is geniue disrespect of the players that built the franchise!
You never had a franchise lol
@@LawrenceofMinnesota what? Seahawks have had a legitimate legacy they could talk about since before the Bozz days. Now it’s nothing more than a cash grab with no history.
@@LawrenceofMinnesota We got one. We gotta ring and have been to a 3 superbowls. That's more than some franchises that have been around for double the time.
If Russ doesn’t throw that interception the Seahawks can make the claim that they are the GREATEST defense of All Time securing SB wins over Historic offenses like Peyton and Brady BACK TO BACK. It’s such a shame that call at the 1.
@@LawrenceofMinnesotacould be worse could be like the Vikings with zero rings ever
"I don't think you should bury history to create your own."
Pat's words here are so spot on in so many aspects of American culture right now. 100% correct Pat! This show is so damn refreshing to listen to compared to the majority of modern media who's group think and collectivism makes me want to vomit
It's one wall in a hallway. They didn't throw away the Lombardi. They didn't empty out the ring of honor. This bozo and you are overreacting 😂
As a Redskins fan who lives in San Diego, whose experienced a team leaving a city and my team getting a name change, I dont have a huge problem with painting over a mural that mostly only players are going to see and a handful of fans probably once in their life. You can make another one, even better, in a public setting for fans to enjoy. Those memories will never die.
If you pulled down statues or monuments at the stadium though, thats a different issue.
Sad to see the changes, but I understand the message. New team needs to build their own identity and make their historic moments.
So it can be painted over by the next guy to take your job in ten years.
Not much of a historic moment then
Unfortunately, the only real message is that even great players are disposable. So be sure to get yours while you can.
Create their own historic moments so those to can be disregarded and painted over when they walk out the door...
Good teams seem to maintain thier identity not scrap it with every new coach
Man that's disrespectful as hell.
@@AllUpOns that's a pretty soft minded interpretation lol "unless a painting of me inside a building that nobody in the public ever sees stays up for all of eternity, then why should i care about anything?" lol
this "give me my flowers" generation is wildly feeble minded
If you don't know your past, you don't have a basis to strive for.
One wall was changed and it's an upgrade, FWIW.
I asked a Seahawks fan if he wanted to hear a joke. He said, "it better not be a one liner"
Too soon man, it will always be too soon
Boooo
patriots fan here ur pun game should try a film study
Best version of breaking my heart I've ever read
Ok i will bite. Can you explain please? Thank you!
I love it. For the better part of a decade we had to watch players - especially defensive rookies - come in and fail miserably to live up to previous names. The Seahawks organization has tried to milk nostalgia for too long. We brought back Bobby Wagner on a failed attempt. We brought back Lynch for the last couple games of 2019 and it was ugly. People were even talking about bringing back Russell before the Steelers signed him. Let it go. Turn the page. No one's going to forget the Lombardi or the tip because they took down a few pictures on one wall.
This is a hilarious non-issue to me. It's not the first fresh paint job of a new era. Don't live in the past is the message.
Living in and remembering the past are two different things.
Get rid of the mantras and phrases Pete used makes sense. But this is the history of the team he covered up. The most successful team seattle has ever had and their covering it up.
I know I get really excited to work for a team that will forget me in a decade, even if I win them a Superbowl.
@@O4C209 Exactly. It's not just some arbitrary history we're talking about. It's literally images of the players. The only message the players can take from this is "You are disposable, so expect the same thing to happen to you when the next regime shift happens."
@@trentwise3762 it's just like people who whined that taking down confederate soldier statues was "erasing history".... like no, it still exists, all you gotta do is google it
"and they're covering it up" lol jesus people are so melodramatic and uppity these days
@@mattcarberry368 you seriously think covering up the history of a sports team YOUR on is the same as taking down confederate statues? 😂 okay bud👍🏻
Pete Carroll literally did the EXACT same thing when he took over the Seahawks.
well Seahawks sucked for 40 years
@@colesischo3870 They had just come off of the most successful decade in franchise history and a Super Bowl appearance.
There's wasn't much success before Pete tho so there wasn't much to truly praise
Even tho they gotto a Super Bowl in 2005
@@InUteroKDCthe Seahawks did????
@@InUteroKDCI think you’re confused… Pat was talking about the Colts when he said that, not the Seahawks.
Everyone acting like this is a bad thing when, in reality, this is good. It's a new Era for the Hawks. Macdonald is bringing in a new culture because our last one was dying. Our history will always have a place there, but this isn't Carrols team anymore. I'm excited as a Seahawk fan.
If Sherman could quit getting pulled over for drunk driving maybe they would have give them some more respect 😂
I understood the Seahawks hate in 2013-16 when they were the over dogs but the NFL world still hates on Seattle
Lmao Seattle fans are the only people who like them. Same goes for every team
@@imanoldurango8213 all Seahawks get is negative media coverage... other teams like the Cowboys get every little thing talked bout
The Gm for Seattle said they are making everything digital.
While im not in Indy, I appreciate Pat trying to put them up. Has to be one of the least discussed teams in the league.
people don't understand that mural is literally right outside the practice facility, it belongs in a proper HoF not at work
I can see both sides of this.
But as a Seahawks fan I must say the last few years have been just absolutely stagnant. I've heard Legion of Boom 2.0 way too many times.
Respect the traditions and players who came before you, but set your own course.
Not what happened. Everything on the wall was moved into digital form and moved to a TV showing it all. Makes complete sense. New coaching staff, new mentality.
It's a good thing. That whole building has been stained by Russell Wilson's Super Bowl losing INT, and the stench of all the aftermath, for the last 10 years. With Pete Carrol being out, they need to reset. They'll bring it all back eventually, but it's a good thing to do for now, imo
Hawks fan here. I trust John + Mike - people in the building know the legacy but they are also trying to turn a new chapter for the franchise. Can't just always live in the past; the fans know and current players should be able to build their own current legacy. Pete is in the building, too. Seattle holds our legends in high regard
Taking the old memories and putting them on a nice digital display, gotta make room for more stuff
As a Seahawks lifelong fan, I’m fkn pissed! How dare they paint over greatness. It’s what made the Seahawks the Seahawks.
As a seahawks fan I'm so happy we moved on from Pete AND happy we got rid of the old decor in the facility. I don't wanna hear what Sherman or KJ has to say about either, they gave up the right to an opinion when they signed with the Niners IMO.
🤬 up. You don't care what they have to say lol when in fact, nobody gives a damn what you have to say. And when people say they hate Seattle fans, you are who they are talking about!
Whoever did this trying to erase a legacy should be fired. Idgaf whose idea it was but whoever came up with that idea needs to be FIRED!
Seahawks fan here: We've been living in the past for 11 years, I'm absolutely ok with this and honestly it needed to happen
Yep. We brought in Macdonald for a new culture. Cant be mad when he tries to instill his new culture
As a Seahawks fan my whole life. It’s time we move on alittle we’ve been trying to “GET BACK” to the Legion of Boom rather than inspiring the team that exists now to be there own team and create their own legacy to ADD to the Seahawks history.
That history is literally all the Seahawks fan have.
Well that and those playoff runs in the 80's when everyone in Seattle used to drink beer out of a can.
I remember how stoked everyone got when the Seahawks faced the Raiders in that AFC championship game some 40 years ago.
None of this would be happening if they had just passed the ball to Marshawn.
@ThreePuttBogeys88 that's really cutting deep 😂
Bro we took the pictures down to put new tvs up with slideshows of all the new and old players lol calm down 😂
this is what Steve Spags did to the Rams over a picture of the greatest show on turf.
As a Seahawks fan I am fine with this, the past generation of players think they’re the only thing that matters to the team. They make it all about themselves.
Jesus said we live from Glory TO Glory. Right now, The Seahawks are on the TO.
“YIKES”- Connor. Buddy, at least they’re not the patriots with Mayo as head coach. I love this move
Bob sanders and edgeerin James. As a seahawks fan . Loved those dudes
I mean you are talking about them taking down images of Seahawks that weren't Zorn, Largent, Knoxx, Hasslebeck, Alexander anyway. Apparently, it is a pretty normal thing to reduce the scope of past characters to an iconic few, as new characters arrive on the scene.
Pat and team, Yeah it sucks seeing the mural go, but John has publicly come out and said they're going digital. Multiple TV's showing all our history including the Caroll era. Go Hawks!
Seahawks still reeling since Malcolm Butler interception... kinda sad, praying for them 🙏
This moved screwed the colts and we never see #18 repping the horseshoe these days
Do you blame him. He built a children’s hospital in the city and you guys cut him for a guy who didn’t love football.
@@seelzonwheelz69 not true at all. Andrew gave it up for his family
@@seelzonwheelz69overly simplistic analysis. Btw, he was under contract and colts released him and took the cap hit - all so he would have the choice to choose his team.
Honestly, what else do you want? Many teams would have traded him away to the Raiders or some other dumpster fire and snagged themselves a couple 1sts in the process.
@@J..P.. In hindsight it would have been a good idea for the Colts to keep Peyton around and let Luck learn from the best. Luck's whole struggle really stemmed from being thrust into the role of being the next Peyton Manning, and his mentality suffered badly behind the scenes.
Peyton wanted to go to Denver. Elway made the call 📞
I guess no one is acknowledging the fact that they are doing a rolling digital mural 🤣. People get angry for NOTHING lol
They're the Seahawks: might as well forget what you were than to dwell on what you'll never be again.
They are changing the training center which was actually rebuilt after the Legion of Boom or because of the Legion of Boom they were initially in Kirkland and not at the VEMAC but they have not changed Lumin at all.
Burying history seems to be the popular thing to do is this country now. I see it as the organization not feeling the new guys can live up to the standard of the old players. As not to put pressure on these new softer players, they just bury legacy of the men before them. You will never see a Ronnie Lott, Lyle Alzado, Lawerence Taylor in this game ever again, simply because the new guys aren't built tough like that anymore and the league has taken all the traits we loved about football out of the game. No big hits, no tough defenses, not letting corners fight for the ball etc. Todays game simply looks like an x box video game, sterile and washed out. You can see bigger hits in hockey every night of the week.
As a Seahawks fan, I’m embracing the change. Just because old photos of the LOB aren’t on the walls any longer, it doesn’t equate to forgetting about or trying to erase the past. Pete C is and always will be a well respected and much loved coach to both players and fans. And with all due respect to his legacy, things had gotten too predictable and stale. I love the idea of things being a blank slate, where today’s team can make their own destiny and produce spectacular new shots of big moments to fill those barren halls with and inspire!!! 👍
The good teams don't erase their history. Ravens, Steelers, Green Bay, Dallas, and 49ers.
Further proof that these teams don’t love you man! Take no prisoners in contract negotiations and leave whenever you want to. The team will exorcise your memory from the team as soon as it’s convenient to them and helps their bottom line. History only matters when THEY say it matters.
When did manning play for Seattle?? Oh you meant to title this segment Colts change their history… ok I get it.
This was about Seattle for like 2 seconds
So they painted over the wall, so what! That doesn't change the record book! They will still have that Super Bowl Championship forever!
Tired of the Disrespect from the media. Seahawks title, colts discussion?
Obviously I don't know any of the current inner workings of the Seahawks, but I think this could be a sign of serious locker room problems brewing. A team will not succeed with a tumultuous locker room. This might be a bad sign for the upcoming Seahawks season, and I don't believe that's an overreaction.
The main contradiction for me with Pete Carroll's message of 'being fully in the next moment' (which I totally agree with), was his obsession with doing things the way the Legion of Boom and Marshawn Lynch did (which were second to none, and incredible), and his obsession with bringing old players back. I get it, but also that's not living in the next moment with what you have. I imagine Mike Macdonald recognized this was holding back the team, this constant reminder of the past.
You blame Pete but didn’t JS just bring in penny for a workout? Pete took all the fire for over a decade, things are going to get much worse before they get any better with him gone.
The Packers build a museum to honor the past not forget it.
The Seahawks still have that, just not in their work facility where the team struggling to form an identity sees it every day
Malcom Butler did this
Even when Pat and the boys talk about the Seahawks they still don’t talk about the Seahawks
No lie when I hear Payton manning I will forever see him in a much brighter shade of blue than navy. I live in Denver and the man is super involved with the city and everything but I still can’t help it since I grew up with colts Peyton.
It’s not like they’re melting down a statue of Pete Carroll. They’re just painting a hallway.
Yeah because those murals helped Seattle win so many playoff games after the SB loss.
5:13 the only one that may be proud to have been covered is “Sherman’s tip” 😅
To be fair they never should have put up Johnny U or any Original Colts because the players including Johnny U already told off the Indy Colts. They are Baltimore Ravens according to many of them and this is why most of them are here or where in Baltimores community and helping the Ravens after they played.
I don’t like it. I’m no all about a fresh start, but deleting the best era of the franchise is ridiculous. The NFL named them the team of the 2010’s.
That would make me more fired up to be a Seahawk seeing the past success, rather then nothing. Maybe that's just me, and I'm a Vikes fan.
No, thats exactly what rational thinking people would do. Instead we're in prime revisionist territory. "Paint over it all so WE'LL be the first ones to bring Lombardi trophies here"
No, all the players recently have been trying to live up to the LOB days. Does not work. Need a new slate and identity
@@ringwormsherm Your opinion, but my 57 year old ass disagrees. We'll see.
I guess you missed the current Seahawks players who said it has really inspired them to create their own moments, instead of the soft pathetic mediocre team of the last 5 years
@@MNWILD43it's one wall in the training facility. They aren't trashing the entire history.
And the Colts painted over the Johnny U teams to put you up there…..
big props to Pat to have feelings but ultimately give the current guys the final say.
Seattle has to do something. Let's be real, they are gonna be battling Arizona for 3rd place in the division.
I guess they rather have a blank wall than a wall full of champions. I don't get it.
Life is what have you done for me lately....as a 40 year Seahawk fan....the SB was great LOB Great Russ great, Marshawn great....but that was 10 years ago, living in the past and not improving...resting on your laurels...Its time for a new coach, new team to build their own identity...earn it...
They can erase their history but they can never forget that interception
They actually start talking about the Seahawks at 3:45
Doing the lord's work, sir.
This will never happen in Green Bay. Proud to be a Packer's fan.
Imagine covering up Montana, rice, Clark, Steve young, etc at the Niners stadium. 😡
Mike needs to create his own history before trying to erase the Hawks legends! Maybe he should have stayed a DC?
Bro, leon Williams has only been with the seahawks one season .his opinion doesn't matter .
Long live the legion of boom and pete carroll era
Go hawks baby
Bro why they never talk about the good news when it comes to my Seahawks 😭
All that says to me is I’m excited to not have to compete with the greatness of the older guys so let’s just start over
Pat is right, tradition means something.
Oh hey they’re talking about the Seahawks again
😪 nevermind.
idk where pat gets this idea that people remember Peyton as a Bronco. Only memories of Payton as a Bronco i got is him getting smoked in a superbowl and him barely being able to complete a pass while f'in Brock Osweiler and Von Miller carried them to a Superbowl.
Can't even count the 2nd ring tbh...
When you step into a position sometimes you have to make changes to say, “I’m not the old leader, and this is MY program now” and the people who don’t like it were probably the ones who’d cause problems, living in the past “That’s not how so and so did it” types. So get rid of those types, and move forward.
Crazy that Pete Caroll did the exact same thing when he arrived, almost like this is signifying a new era like the one before it. Honestly that’s about as good of a tribute you need. And get outta here with “they got rid of everything” that’s just a lie 😂
I dont know why they dont use those walls to motivate and create new team spirit by saying, look what these people did, lets get you up on these walls too, lets go. The only thing that should be painted over is that pass call on the 1 yard line in the Superbowl when they had Beast Mode Lynch. I will never recover from that.
Grigson hates the Colts and intentionally destroyed the team and Luck’s career.