I love Greninja but he took up way too much screentime, and because of that Talonflame barely had a personality, Goodra and Noivern were pretty rushed, and Hawlucha had a few memorable moments but not as much as Greninja. Hell, even Pikachu was sidelined. And the sad part is Journeys is also seeming to be like this with Lucario stealing everyone else's screentime. While I don't hate Greninja at all, he just needed less screentime for the rest of the team to have their own moments to shine.
@@noibat7034 well, xyz WAS supposed to be about Greninja and it's bond phenomenon as well as the secret hidden in Zygarde and about Alain and Team Flare. All of which revolve around Ash's Greninja.
Charizard, Sceptile, Pikachu, Pignite, Greninja: "We're way more popular and have more screentime than you!" Lycanroc: "At least I succeeded where you all failed..."
You guys gotta stop bringing up "Win-Rate" like it means something. For one, it's not the amount of wins, it's the quality of the win, and for another it's a narrative based show, so wins are based on who the plot is pushing that week, not who's strongest. That's why Torterra got so buried, because the show wanted to push Infernape as Ash's "true" Sinnoh starter like Sceptile had been in Hoenn, so Torterra got screwed over. It's also why Pikachu resets when they enter a new region.
@@AussieDragoon Isn't the anime as a whole supposed to be a big commercial for the games? If so, then no first-timers will pick Turtwig when playing through Sinnoh since they'll think Torterra's crap, just like Ash's Torterra.
@@ethnictendo There was also Paul's Torterra, who did better and was added in as Paul's original starter so he would still have one once Chimchar left. But the anime tends to have this problem more often than not of chosing one Starter to promote over the others. XY did it with Greninja, SM did it with Incineroar, and so on. Like there hasn't really been a majorly focused Swampert or Venasaur or Chesnaught.
@@AussieDragoon Yeah. I do kinda wish they'd stop doing that. In Gen 1 it was fine, since Squirtle and Bulbasaur had personalities that newcomers would like. Gen 2... yeah, I'll let that pass too. None of them fully-evolved, and they all had decent personalities. But by Gen 3, um, dude! Torchic and Mudkip exist too, man! I can't name two personality traits Brock's Marshtomp had! And May's Blaziken, while kinda cool, had almost no personality and was shafted by her Skitty and Beautifly!
I think charizard is cool but it sucks it’s so hyped up in the games. Don’t get me wrong, charizard is cool but why in universe does charizard get two mega evolutions?
@@queensdaensa9413 infernape got disrespected as a chimchar . +he didnt failed when it matterd the most . And he didnt got disespected by that fcuking tobias .
@@jayddixit7809 no bro infernape has never come in top 10 list of pokemon of the year. If you see sinnih region popularity list then still infernape isn t at number 1 And he has never lost
@-Reeco Studio- Lmao I like how the greninja and Charizard Stans like u got burned and is blaming underrated infernape in the comment's cuz their salty lol One word Truth won't change infernape ain't overrated he doesn't overshadow any mons unlike greninja the frog and Charizard the "I need to be a mega to get dragon type"
Honestly if anything Pignite is actually *UNDERRATED* . It was one of Ash's only Unova Pokemon besides Pikachu that kept up a solid win rate through the whole region. It had good wins as both a Tepig and Pignite and especially upon becoming Pignite took down some strong opponents. On its resume we have wins/feats against Lenora's Herdier, its evolved form Emboar, Roxie's Scolipede, Cameron's Hydreigon, and K'Oing 2 Water types at once amongst many other foes. It's kinda like the Corphish/Sceptile situation. It wasn't the "ace" in the end but it actually had a pretty good record that gets overlooked far more than it should. BUT HEY IT DIDN'T EVOLVE INTO EMBOAR SO IT'S TRASH LOLOLOL. Meanwhile Snivy never evolved once, was hyped for having high level moves in its base stage in the actual show, and has barely any notable wins whatsover. And yet they put Pignite in the video....
People totally forgetting about the battle with sceptile agaisnt the frontier brain.Also,it used to not be good as a treecko,but it’s better now.I don’t think it’s too overrated
It's Pokemon that are supposedly "super good" that Ash had, but didn't really amount to shit...which does = Overrated How can you really talk about how awesome a pokemon is if they didn't do anything worthwhile?
I think the problem is they get hyped, when they do nothing. I love goodra but they make the point he more or less cane back for fanservice as he didn’t do anything noteworthy beyond tie with slurpuff.
People keep forgetting that pidgeotto helped ash win 10 straight trainer battles backk in the beginning of the series (road to the pokemon league). Pidgeotto was good, but flying types in general were trash in gen 1.
Seeing Greninja in the top 3 despite you being a fan is just a treat. A lot of what I didn’t like about XYZ is just how much Greninja was soo over centralizing, also the Amourshipping teasing they’ve been doing since early in the series got frustrating after a while since that defined a lot of Serena’s character.
The Ash Greninja Sho-I mean X Y and Z really did Ash's other mons dirty. Ash's other mons are just kinda there, Noivern especially. Hell, even Pikachu got sidelined. He beat 2 pseudos in the Alain fight but everyone focused on Greninja's loss to Charizard. Even when this man LOSES he gets the spotlight. Sure aces usually get spotlight, but this was way too much.
Its especially funny if you think about it. People regard Greninja as the ace of the Kalos team, while in reality, Talonflame was the ace of the Kalos team, since it contributed more than the other Kalos mons combined. Greninja wasn't even the ace.
@@castform7 Yup. Talonflame fought in 7 gyms (Only skipped Clemont). It got a win in every gym battle (Except for Grant), before it went down. The only gym where Greninja outperformed Talonflame was against Ramos. Other than that, Greninja only had 3 gyms (Ramos, Wulfric and Olympia, where it needed to be carried by Talonflame else it would have lost) and even during the league Talonflame didn't go down without taking down another mon. During the Gym run, Talonflame as such had more impact than Greninja did. Even Hawlucha had more gyms than Greninja (Ramos, Korrina, Clemont, Valerie and Wulfric).
Pretty sure, Lucario by the end of Journeys will be in top spots. Writers love to put it in every hole possible. Even before evo it stole all spotlight from every non-Pikachu mon (even Greninja doesn`t do it that early). Giving Ash such an overpopular mon was a mistake.
Ash battled so many Lucarios in the past (even lost to it many times like it's some legendary) and didn't catch it in Sinnoh (when it was supposed to happen), which makes it so stupid when he catches it in Journeys. Not only does he copy/repeat the entire Bond story arc but also makes Ash's old mons to look stupid in comparison as he can rail pretty much anyone and has the spotlight 24/7 while Ash's old mons all choked on the big stage. Lucario is shown to be just born better; not to mention that Ash could have had any Mega Evolution but got the most overused one.
Charizard is overrated as a character. I like his development, but at the same time it's a very simple and cliché type of character arc: Greninja, Infernape, Incineroar, Lycanroc, Gliscor, Goodra, (maybe) Naganadel and even SM Pikachu are all mons who got either deeper backstories, poignant developments or more meaningful stories. I believe that the victory against Gary's Blastoise was the best moment of Charizard's character arc, since he redeemed himself for his disobedient phase and showed the result of his training by destroying Ash's biggest rival; but after that moment, he lost to Blaziken without never having a rematch (even though the fight was great, not gonna lie), and his battle with Articuno, on one hand was awesome, but on the other hand it simply doesn't stand out compared to other battles more meaningful and with a better build up.
charizard is overrated as a character but greninjas character ark is laughingly not that that great now rewatching xy series, he's pretty overrated. Charizard does have long character ark bit atleast you see some sort of developmemt pay off. Greninja, haha strong form go burr. Thats almost about it with Greninja.
@@machspeed20 @Sage Blast Greninja may not growing mentally, that's true, but he has indeed a storyline which was built up throught the whole series, even becoming a major part of XYZ's plot; the loss in the Kalos League Finals, the lack of coherency in his power level (almost destroying Diantha's ace with a glimpse of his power, yet then needing more effort to take down a Gym Leader's Pokémon) and the poor writing behind the goodbye damage him, but you can't deny this Pokémon has a very meaningful story to tell. And it was also the first time a Pokémon's development was analyzed with such a huge attention during many episodes, which converged into one arc. Charizard belongs to a period where the anipoké was very bland and basic in terms of storytelling, therefore his character can't be compared with others we would've got in the future - like Greninja.
@@davidedalterio4979 his development i felt was started in the first few episode's, then dropped and focused on goomy who i actually thought might become the ace, then they remembered, oh wait, isnt that frog thing supposed to be the ace, and then dropped goodra and gave him a plot armor form with little to no development. Also i wouldnt say he was destroying diantha as it was clear she wasnt taking it seriously. (she was barely ordering attacks and was just dodging). Xy's power consistency was so bad that you have talonflame and noivern who evolved to go toe to toe with legendaries. To Talonflame ending up sort of ok while noivern barely won anything. Even Pikachu was literally beat by a surskit. That is worst than a snivy in my book. Xy had some wack writing. (still had my favorite battle scenes of the series). But story wise its a meh. Edit: was to fix the 60 billion spelling errors i made.
I actually don't agree with any picks on this list. I think that everyone involved doesn't really understand what "overrated" means. Consider, for example, the fact that Swellow is UNDER-appreciated doesn't mean Starraptor is overrated, usually people don't go die-hard about Ash's "best birbs" and deep-throat Staraptor, they usually gag for Pidgeot and Talonflame, and the important factor is UNDESERVINGLY so. This list is all about the respect his Pokemon DESERVE not the respect that Lumiose City NEEDS, Noibatman. I would make Charizard, Pikachu, and Haunter the only honorable mentions, Pikachu and Charizard obviously have that favoritism and their power is a bit plot-convenient, but they've both pulled their weight in so many important battles with no hype or gimmicks, and Haunter never belonged to Ash so it doesn't make my list (but Haunter is one of the perfect examples of an actually overrated Pokemon). Even Greninja, who I agree is Ash's most sellout overhyped marketing gimmick is y no means SO highly overrated. It certainly IS overrated, you can tell because everyone thinks it's such bull that it didn't beat Charizard-X, and it got a whole like 2-3 seasons of the anime to itself, but it was just a flashy hype marketing tool and it lost to Sawyer's Sceptile in a terrible battle, it lost to Charizard-X, and it wasn't all that great outside of plot-contrived Ash-Form necessity, but it was still legitimately strong and pulled its weight for many of its battles, so it really can't be THAT overrated when the anime was exclusively focused on making IT the star. In my opinion, as far as overrated Pokemon, I'd say his Pidgeot is his most overrated Pokemon of all time. My list is Greninja, Hawlucha, Noivern, Melmetal, Incineroar, Talonflame, Kingler, Butterfree, Goodra, and Pidgeot in that order 10->1.
@UNKNOWN 2.0 That's another one that like I don't think cold be considered "overrated". People overlook it half the time for Charizard, and almost rightly so because Charizard has years more of consistent history and training and experience. The thing with basically ALL of Ash's Sinnoh team is that we got to see them actually all develop and train and grow and become worthwhile members of Ash's team that earned their respect and at the same time they were all humbled by a fair amount of losses as well as a fair amount of victories using their unique strengths. All of Ash's Sinnoh team had excellent battles even when they lost, and because they did regularly face hardships, people in general don't "dick-ride" his team. Infernape would have been the only one maybe but again, it gets overshadowed by Charizard, it has NEVER made a significant return appearance, and other Pokemon like Greninja took the spotlight and hype away.
@@Shokukun okay I am indian and I agree but don't do that i know. Indian's don't know about pokemon games but i am indian and I know Everything he is just a kid don't be mad
@@notgamernotabot9514 you don't know pokemon enough if you think charizard is bad, I've played all games until gen 5, the only reason people hate him is because their favorite pokemon doesn't have as many forms as charizard. And in particular Ash's charizard has taken down legendary articuno and is the most loved kanto pokemon
Abhinav listen I don’t think that it is bad it’s just your biased towards Charizard but my opinion is Charizard is mediocre he is fine competitively like he is 4x times weak to rock and in Kanto he is the worst starter being weak to half of all the gym leaders and in the anime he is there cuz without him the show will be boring so it all comes full circle with Charizard being overrated and mediocre like Gf legit gives the dude 2 megas and a gm ax like WHAT anyways yeah also I’m not Indian I’m an Indian born American
To me, Sceptile is not that overrated. He had a little arc back during the middle of the Battle Frontier series which furthered his bond with Ash after he evolved, which I liked, and his battle at the Battle Palace was awesome. He may not be Ash's Best Powerhouse, but he's still awesome. Can't beat the twig in the mouth.
Also Sceptile is honestly ash's strongest starter by ONLY ash's natural training think about it he didn't have a special training location like Charizard, his overgrow was absolutely nothing compared to Infernapes blaze, and didn't have a special form like greninja. Also unlike Infernape and especially Greninja he didn't hog spotlight to harm mons like Torterra, Gliscor, Goodra and Noivern.
Ash Grovyle should’ve evolved during the Hoenn League when it battled Katie’s Walrein. It would be epic to see it struggle a little as a Grovyle and then it would evolve after it gets hit by 2 ice beams then evolves and takes it down.
@@battletrainer2495 There is so much potential to Ash's Sceptile that was missed, including a missed "Bro-Mance" with (What would become) May's Blaziken.
It feels like wasted potential. The Lucario movie and the spiritomb episode outright say ash is an aura guardian and he never follows up on this. I thought it’d be cool to explore in journeys but beyond riolu choosing ash, he never does.
*Ah yes Infernape is not overrated but the Pokémon from Ash that defeated Regice, Latios, Silvally, Tapu Koko, Darkrai and Articuno are definitely overrated yep that make sense lmao*
@@TimG57867 But it go mostly all the credit for beating Darkrai when Heracross and Gible got I down low , Sceptile just delivered the final hit. So Sceptile is definitely overrated
@@penguinpulverizers5985 First off Darkrai got back a lot of Heracross's damage from Dream Eater. Second of all Darkrai was easilly soloing *FULL PARTIES* up to that point. ANY Pokemon taking it down was super huge. Also Sceptile has good feats beyond the Darkrai win. It basically won Ash his Battle Symbol against Spencer.
@@TimG57867 I'm not saying this battle wasn't huge because it definitely was and I'm happy that my boi Sceptile beat it. But Sceptile didint do all the work and I dont see anyone give the others any credit, if Sceptile took it down on full health then it makes sense , like Charizard with Articuno or Pikichu with well a lot of mons , but it didn't but yeah Sceptile is one of his best mons tho
@@oresti9271 No towel was underused. I'm currently finishing Master Quest, and I still get headaches from how he barely used it to. There were too many more times where Noctowl should've been used to pop those Team Rocket balloons.
The real issue with Ash's Sceptile was that Swellow overshadowed it 😏 Pretty much agree with this list though, can't really think of anything else I'd put there
And also he evolved in battle Frontier So he never got to shine except some of the main matches like against Spencer, Tobias, against may but he had lost a lot of matches as grovyle and as treeko like matches against Juan luvdisc ,Morrison gligar. Steven metagross are some of those which everyone think that grovyle would win but it couldn't and in some of the matches he lost because of ash stupidity so even as a sceptile fan I think he lost the lot of match so he is not in the level of Charizard ,greninga etc are he is overrated because not of that he is less powerful it has a lot of his lot of power but not presented in a good way in the Anime
Thats true bro but still sceptile is easily one of ashs best pokemon and not gonna lie it really sucked to see it not be a part of some over powered battle except tobias and norman and it also lost badly against regirock of Brandon they did him dirty :( and also zacy man I agree that greninja took screen time and I I really fricking wished even if they gave him this cool form which is by far my fav pokemon they could have atleast shown ash that he was over using it like charizatd and make him focus on noivern halucha and talonflame even if not halucha and talonflame noivern was a damn powerhouse you can see just by seeing that with practically no training it defeated sawyers salamence and also his attack really did some good knock back to zapdos and that's why mainly when you think of xyz you mainly think about greninja and not the group as a whole and by far xyz has done most of that other regions also did like in johto a bit of charizars during the league and infernape during the league but that's not by overshadowing all the other pokemon and showing the group as a whole is by far done best by sun and moon and by journeys so far atleast till now so I really wish ash gives his old pokemon who hardly got screen time some decent love
Ash's lucario is gonna be the next number one. Atleast he carried his pokemon in his adventures and got some screen time. Now they are just dumped at lab.
Saad Khan another problem I think is ash doesn’t fully evolve them. I guess ash is the champion and yeah, he and his crew didn’t always evolve Pokémon from the start, but the fun about watching ash catch goomy was evolving it into a goodra. Ash just has dragonite because dragonite is a fan favorite. He didn’t evolve it from a super weak dratini.
Sarthak Singh since the show is having ash be the protagonist from SM, he’s basically the champion. He’s not Tobias or Alain, he’s on the hypothetical legal level of Cynthia or Diantha.
jpatel862 they’d be okay-ish but training a Mythical with strength and durability of a DBZ Super character and an Ultra Beast that’s as fast as light if not way faster would already turn the tables to Ash’s favour
@@shaggyrogers7986 well take into consideration that Ash’s Incineroar beat a Battle Royale champion Incineroar that doesn’t have a blind spot and other Ash’s Alolan Pokémon always self train including Ash’s Incineroar so Melmetal would’ve got a lot stronger when Ash returned to Alola and giving Naganadel extra training combined with it’s near unbeatable speed and the fact that fairy and steel types are 1x effective to it would make it much more of a powerhouse than the nonsense which is a low budget version of mega evolution aka Ash-Greninja
@@shaggyrogers7986 although Ash catching a Kommo-o or a Jangmo-o then evolving it to Hakamo-o and then a Kommo-o would make Ash’s Alolan team even more broken
i think he tells about the pokemon which have become overrated thanks to the anime..butstill those pokemon are pretty OP in the anime but comparatively weaker in the games
I'd put Squirtle as Ash's most overrated starter. I did a deep dive of its history on my channel and besides Paris, Exeggutor, and Tentacool, it didn't win any battles until it fougth Raymond's Machamp in Mewtwo Strikes Back and the Indigio League where it beat a Nidorino. It was pretty lackluster until learning Hydro Pump against Rudy's Starmie.
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How is pignite overrated? Almost no one likes it in fact it is underrated most people do not know that it took out a hydreigon and almost beat a samurott. And it destroyed an emboar and heatmor with 1 attack. For something to be overrated it has a to be popular or else how would it be overrated? Pignite has no love so it is not overrated
Them : *"Charizard is no. 1 Overrated"* Everyone in the comments when something Kalos-Return Theory related pops-up : "Greninja is the *BEST!* , hope Ash-Greninja Return!"
Are you really forgetting Sceptile beat both Shiftry and Claydol from frontier brain Spenser in same battle? Even Infernape won only against 2 trainers, Volkner and Paul. And you guys considering his win records but forget that Sceptile had much harder fights than any other ace Pokemons, like Sceptile put against Pokemons who had type advantage against him so many times compared to other ace or fight 4 Legendary/Mythical Pokemons.
Um let me break it down chimchar beat 2 of fantinas pokemon 2 of Byrons pokemon 2 of Candice’s and 2 of volkners and 3 of the battles i mentions was as a chimchar
@@MrCat73 in this video only Sceptile win was mentioned that's why I only talk about Infernape wins otherwise Treecko and Grovyle had many wins too and don't forget most of the time Treecko-Sceptile was put against type disadvantage or Legendaries/Mythicals unlike Chimchar-Infernape who rarely had type disadvantage
@@MrCat73 and most of the Sceptile even Treecko and Grovyle battle was huge disadvantage for him, how many times did Chimchar-Infernape battle with type disadvantage? Treecko battle against Roxanne and Brawly without knowing any grass moves, Ash use Treecko in fire and flying type gym and he bring victory against Altaria, put up against steel type metagross and fire type Quilava & Charizard, fight 2 Mythicals and 2 Legendaries. Only time Chimchar-infernape had type disadvantage was against Roark Pokemon but even than he had ground type move dig or against newly evolved croconow but the trainer don't even had experience.
@@inamdaryasin it doesn’t matter about the type matchups as long as u have good battles its ok infernape has other countless great battles that is a neutral battle infernape has a 83% win rate sceptiles is 44% almost double and anyways thats the writers fault for not giving chimchar a type disadvantage. Chimchar beat drifblim which this legendary slaying pikachu couldnt. And going back to the type advantage thing we have no proof that infernape would suck. Also infernape has a way better typing and movepool infernape is dual typing and is good against 7 types and has dig and ground is the only type that can deal super effective damage for electric types and sceptile only knows grass and normal moves, and ground alone deals super effective for 5 types (fire electric poison rock and steel) and grass is a pretty bad typing it ties with rock for the most weaknesses at 5. And u know how u said that treecko has no grass type moves for a while well chimchar already had the move flamethrower. And I’m pretty sure that infernape is durable enough in the battle against Paul he used flareblitz 3 times, toxic spikes, giga drain damage, multiple thunder punches and thunder if this was the games infernape would have been OHKO’dl also infernape knocked out a ninjask with a fighting type move that ninjask 4x resists and beat an electivire who might i just mention beat a ground/flying type with a fighting move yeah. And also every pokemon that ash used in hoenn except torkoal has a higher win rate🤣
It actually bothers me when people say that Greninja is Ash's strongest pokemon when it can't even beat Alain's injured Charizard. In that battle, Pikachu defeated a Tyranitar and a Metagross. After that, it fought Alain's Charizard. A single thunderbolt from Pikachu made that Charizard kneel. Also, I think Greninja won't even win against powerful pokemon without turning into Ash Greninja. That's why, I think Charizard, Infernape and Pikachu is stronger than it. I agree with you about the Ash Greninja show. I really thought that after Ash's defeat from Wulfric, his character development would be him thinking that perhaps his loss is because he only focused on Ash Greninja and not on his other pokemon. But I guess not.
2 things: 1: You can't remember anymore iconic Sceptile battles? What about his battle against Spencer? That one was amazing. 2: I would argue Greninja is a lot more overrated than Charizard, but that's just me.
The logic here didn’t make too much sense... this should be able Pokémon Ash owns who the fans over hype. Pokémon people talk about are the ones who should be on this list.
I think a lot people with brain cells would probably agree with a lot of the Pokémon you listed. Just as a side note for most people, being the overrated Pokémon isn’t necessarily a bad thing, your still, it just means that you might take all of the spotlight away from other Pokémon that are also favorites.
I think Greninja should've been number 1. I know it's your favorite and all but you cannot tell me that there isn't an interbet cult protesting to get Greninja back. And I'm gonna say it right now, releasing Greninja was the smartest choice Pokémon ever did. Also you can't convince me you're not the leader of that Greninja cult Zac
So Sceptile's battles against Spencer, Norman & Brawly, none of them stand out? I think they problem might just be that you only remember May and Tobias because they're literally the last 2 battles it had. It also may be a problem that Ash kept an awful moveset on it for most of its run (never dropped bullet seed or pound for all of Hoenn) and that Ash used it poorly a lot of the time, like not teaching it a grass move before fighting Roxanne or sending it out INJURED to battle in a FIRE gym. The fact it stood out at all is more of an indication that it's rated just fine if you ask me.
Yeah now that I think about it, Sceptile's moves suck. By Tobias he had Leaf Storm, Leaf Blade, Bullet Seed and Quick Attack. And he mostly still prevailed. The ratings he gets are fine to me. At best I see him at number 10.
@Skurk I remember using a Sceptile in Saphire and yeah his moveset is just bad. Who thought it was a good idea to make Grovyle learn Leaf Blade at level 29!
@Skurk Yes, but still, even in Gen III it could have learned Pursuit, Detect, Giga Drain, Slam, Aerial Ace, Brick Break, etc. and Ash still kept Pound on it until Sinnoh and it still has bullet seed. That was my point on Ash's bad moveset choice.
Everybody are giving Noivern a shit treatment, and idolize Goodra, but guess what, Noivern was better at the Kalos League. It has a badass battle with Salamence, that ended up in a tie, Goodra tied with the fucking Slurpuff, and don't start talking about type advantage. What's the better way to tie, with Salamence, or with Slurpuff.
My only inconvenient... Sawyer's Slurpuff wasn't that strong, against Tierno he barely does anything, and he only got Goodra because of Type advantage, meaning that Tie was rushed, meanwhile Salamence looks stronger and intimidating, this is why I justify Noivern's tie against Salamence, sadly I can't say the same thing with Goodra, 2nd tie in a row is just an excuse to focus more in the battle between Greninja and Sceptile.
Charizard was bdoughr back in Unova not because of the league only: Initially when X/Y released their first set of Mega evolutions: Only Mega Charizard Y was there. They initially planned on making Ash reveal Mega Charizard X through his ( which is why Charizard even had a Physical moveset in Unova) , but later decided to give Red a Mega Charizard X instead.
i'd put rowlet on this list tbh. the mon didn't battle from SM36 - SM97. that's over 60 episodes and it still didn't do anything battle wise until the league officially started in SM129. definitely value personality over strength but i like a balance between the two like lycanroc. not only does it have a pretty good personality, it also has a lot of battles under its belt. only thing i remember rowlet doing in that time frame is learning a new move through a weird way and befriending meltan. seriously don't remember anything else from it besides its personality.
@@MrCat73 Yeah. But you also have to take into account the amount of battles. Due to Kingler having only 3 battles and only 1 loss, he is in Ash's top six strongest battlers, whereas Pikachu and Charizard are always in the middle of the battlers (They have a mediocore win/loss rate due to their amount of battles).
Imo bulbasaur is technically the best, it showed that evolution isn't necessary and all pokemon are powerful in their own way. However I kinda hate it because it didn't evolve >:( Kanto is overrated
I’ve been scrolling down in the comments for a while and didn’t see this so I’m gonna say it, sceptile didn’t beat darkrai it FINISHED it there is a big difference darkrai went through about half of ash’s team so was worn out then sceptile came in how come there isn’t anyone talking about that
3:20 guys sorry but sceptile is literally underrated. U think the battle against may and darkrai were the only memorable sceptile fights? Cmon now y’all don’t remember when sceptile took down Spencer’s claydol and shiftry and battle frontier brains are elite 4 level trainers. Not to mention sceptile also damaged Brandon’s regirock who is far stronger than other frontier brains. Sceptile is literally one of the few Pokémon in ash’s team that has such good feats. When u determine a Pokémon’s strength in the anime, you cannot determine it by their win rates. U determine them based on who has the better feats.
Pokemon XY&Z Anime was awesome but they played dirty with Ash's Kalos Team esp: Noivern & Goodra getting defeated so easily while Pikachu get two win in Sawyer Battle against Clawitzer & Aegislash and Alain's Battle against Pseudo Legends Metagross & Tyranitar which was unnecessary for me. Goodra & Noivern should be Ash's 2nd/3rd Strongest Kalos Pokemon considering personal episodes & should got 1 win in Semi & Final rather Pikachu . In Comparison Sinnoh Team out of 7 only Torterra failed to get one win while all pokemon had fair share of victories during Season Finale. Sun & Moon Team done what Kalos team fail to do not only they won Ash a League but also had character development & RIvals to accomplish.
Riolu/Lucario is going to be if not the most, then one of the most overrated Ash's pokemon. It have every attention of all of Ash's pokemon. Ash literally caught a Farfetch'd, only to be Riolu's personal punching bag. It's gonna be so fucking funny, if Lucario is gonna become a Pignite of JN, a pokemon, who has the most attention, but not be even in the top of Ash's pokemon's list, but Dragonite with three or four battles will be
I am really early and I am hyped for the video. Suprised you collabed with him but, I should have expected it as I got the notifications of both of you at the same time.
The reason for Pignite is kinda bad in my opinion. It's more about what MysticUmbreon thinks rather than the general consensus for the fandom. The only reason why he doesn't like it is because of the looks...
There’s nothing wrong with Pignite, guys. He came through more often than Snivy and Oshawott, and especially Unfezant. I think Pignite could be Ash’s second best Unova Pokémon.
Obviously the best Pokemons will fall among the topic "Overrated"....... Greninja stole the show only cuz it is the world's most demanded Pokemon and it was obvious..... The Best's will obviously steal shows. 🤷♂️
Pignite 😬
But torterra tho?
His Pignite was the only good pokemon he had in unova other than Krookodile
Shitnite
Leaveanny was.... decent.
I'm glad you finally revealed truth about pidgeot, honestly it lost battles mad. And Pignite urrrrr
Mystic: *says the reality that ash's sceptile doesn't win that much*
Mandjtv: *sad sceptile noises*
Same😢😢😢
Also TrueGreen7
Ya
Actually he did win quite a lot : He kinda stomped Spencer
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LOL THAT INTRO FOR MYSTIC THO
@@kazuto7894 nah bro, u just messed up the joke now...
Lol
Entity Mays in the background was funny 😂
Zac: Greninja is overrated
X Y stans:FBI OPEN UP
Greninja is overrated af😂
I love Greninja but he took up way too much screentime, and because of that Talonflame barely had a personality, Goodra and Noivern were pretty rushed, and Hawlucha had a few memorable moments but not as much as Greninja. Hell, even Pikachu was sidelined. And the sad part is Journeys is also seeming to be like this with Lucario stealing everyone else's screentime. While I don't hate Greninja at all, he just needed less screentime for the rest of the team to have their own moments to shine.
@@noibat7034 facts dude
@@noibat7034 well, xyz WAS supposed to be about Greninja and it's bond phenomenon as well as the secret hidden in Zygarde and about Alain and Team Flare. All of which revolve around Ash's Greninja.
@@silvacrystalx28 don’t remember people saying that about infernape eating up all the screen time🤡
Zac: Haunter is overrated.
Me: It doesn't even belong to him,bruh 😂😂
i think its more of it get rehyped cause people thought it was the haunter from the past
Bruh he probably left Sabrina to stay with his bois in Lavender Tower
Zac also said Haunter doesn't belong to him :/
@Sanjay Nathan debunked
ikr
Charizard, Sceptile, Pikachu, Pignite, Greninja: "We're way more popular and have more screentime than you!"
Lycanroc: "At least I succeeded where you all failed..."
Ouch
Pikachu is also part of the champion team
Yes....
@Letty Studio yeah...why comparing pignite with them?
@Diptadip Biswas infact infernape is my favourite. More than greninja tbh
Pokeraf: that thunder armor battle was cool
Aura Guardian: FBI OPEN UP
2Pizzachu2 😂
Yeah...aura gurdian literally hates that shitt..
@JustSomeGuyOnTheNet they went super sayajin
@@ThePokeRaf hey far!
@@poketunes2512 ikr
You guys gotta stop bringing up "Win-Rate" like it means something. For one, it's not the amount of wins, it's the quality of the win, and for another it's a narrative based show, so wins are based on who the plot is pushing that week, not who's strongest. That's why Torterra got so buried, because the show wanted to push Infernape as Ash's "true" Sinnoh starter like Sceptile had been in Hoenn, so Torterra got screwed over. It's also why Pikachu resets when they enter a new region.
Hyping up Infernape doesn't mean you have to make Torterra garbage in the anime, though.
@@ethnictendo They didn't, but that's what they chose to do.
@@AussieDragoon Isn't the anime as a whole supposed to be a big commercial for the games? If so, then no first-timers will pick Turtwig when playing through Sinnoh since they'll think Torterra's crap, just like Ash's Torterra.
@@ethnictendo There was also Paul's Torterra, who did better and was added in as Paul's original starter so he would still have one once Chimchar left. But the anime tends to have this problem more often than not of chosing one Starter to promote over the others. XY did it with Greninja, SM did it with Incineroar, and so on. Like there hasn't really been a majorly focused Swampert or Venasaur or Chesnaught.
@@AussieDragoon Yeah. I do kinda wish they'd stop doing that. In Gen 1 it was fine, since Squirtle and Bulbasaur had personalities that newcomers would like. Gen 2... yeah, I'll let that pass too. None of them fully-evolved, and they all had decent personalities. But by Gen 3, um, dude! Torchic and Mudkip exist too, man! I can't name two personality traits Brock's Marshtomp had! And May's Blaziken, while kinda cool, had almost no personality and was shafted by her Skitty and Beautifly!
It’s funny how Ashes Pikachu can defeat legendarys but has lost to weaker Pokémon
Yeah.... “funny.”
CeeDizzleDizzy lollololololololl
Kimmy Mac y’all still salty about that
Lvl 16 not lv 5 snivy LVL 16
If that snivy doesn’t have plot armor then I don’t know who does
Ash’s Charizard is definitely overrated, but you can’t deny it’s one of Ash’s top 3 Pokemon just based on its feats.
Yup
I mean the stronger a Pokemon is the more overrated it becomes
@@sageblast3143 yup because more haters it gets
I think charizard is cool but it sucks it’s so hyped up in the games. Don’t get me wrong, charizard is cool but why in universe does charizard get two mega evolutions?
Well it is Ash’s OG powerhouse plus it proved itself plenty of times so what do you expect?
I appreciate that he didn't call infernape overrated
Infernape deserves all the love he gets
@@queensdaensa9413 infernape got disrespected as a chimchar . +he didnt failed when it matterd the most . And he didnt got disespected by that fcuking tobias .
I think that infernape is overrated
Infernape isn't and will NEVER be overrated
@@jayddixit7809 no bro infernape has never come in top 10 list of pokemon of the year.
If you see sinnih region popularity list then still infernape isn t at number 1
And he has never lost
Zac and Mystic: says Charizard, Sceptile, and Greninja are overrated.
Also Zac and Mystic: 9:08 Wants the fan-favorite Pokemon to return
Bro they are literally smashing ashs best pokemons except inpernape because it's underrated especially they are hating charizad
@@narendrajoshi2152 doesn't stop them from being overrated.
@Jibin Biju but they are still overrated
prove me wrong.
@@w925gaming6 cuz their strong so they got the spotlight but if their weak their not gonna get the spotlight im I right
@-Reeco Studio- Lmao I like how the greninja and Charizard Stans like u got burned and is blaming underrated infernape in the comment's cuz their salty lol
One word
Truth won't change infernape ain't overrated he doesn't overshadow any mons unlike greninja the frog and Charizard the "I need to be a mega to get dragon type"
I didn't know Pignite was overrated, didn't think people even talked about that Pokemon. I think Butterfree is definitely overhyped
True. Pignite wasnt even overhyped on BW. It was an average Pokemon.
Oh yeah true
Honestly if anything Pignite is actually *UNDERRATED* .
It was one of Ash's only Unova Pokemon besides Pikachu that kept up a solid win rate through the whole region. It had good wins as both a Tepig and Pignite and especially upon becoming Pignite took down some strong opponents. On its resume we have wins/feats against Lenora's Herdier, its evolved form Emboar, Roxie's Scolipede, Cameron's Hydreigon, and K'Oing 2 Water types at once amongst many other foes. It's kinda like the Corphish/Sceptile situation. It wasn't the "ace" in the end but it actually had a pretty good record that gets overlooked far more than it should.
BUT HEY IT DIDN'T EVOLVE INTO EMBOAR SO IT'S TRASH LOLOLOL. Meanwhile Snivy never evolved once, was hyped for having high level moves in its base stage in the actual show, and has barely any notable wins whatsover. And yet they put Pignite in the video....
@@darknessoflight8024 emboars my favorite pokemon
@@TimG57867 I agree so much with Pignite underrated but Snivy was underrated by the freaking writers.
ERGH THE ROOOOODENT 🙄❤️💙💛
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Raf you got bloody shafted😂🥺
Get nae-nae
Rip raf
@@Zactoshi do you still want to replace Raf with ShinyZoroark
I’ll accept pikachu is overrated if you guys accept that our boy has lost weight.
Deal
I lowkey preferred fat pikachu
@@Fundings me too.
Lmao
Imo sceptile is actually underrated, it's an ace after all
I agree...
I think sceptile became perfectly rated when he leafbladed tf outta darkrai
Andrei S-gaming WRONG
@@pokeinator7834 naw
Thing is it kinda wasn't in hoenn and a little bit in battle frontier there was no ace pokemon
People totally forgetting about the battle with sceptile agaisnt the frontier brain.Also,it used to not be good as a treecko,but it’s better now.I don’t think it’s too overrated
It defeated a harayama as a treecko
Brawly's Hariyama
4:07 It was also cool to see him catch a psychic type😏
Hi ginger big fan
@@シキ-n8p thats the joke
How does Pokemon not winning = Pokemon is "overrated"
It's Pokemon that are supposedly "super good" that Ash had, but didn't really amount to shit...which does = Overrated
How can you really talk about how awesome a pokemon is if they didn't do anything worthwhile?
Crystal Aria charizard and that lame ninja are definitely on top off the list
Idk
The reason I don't agree with Haunter being on the list is not because it isn't officially Ash's Pokemon, but because Haunter is not into Battles.
@Sanjay Nathan unfortunately, I can't feel the same, I can't Picture Sabrina giving away a Pokemon that makes her happy to someone else.
I think the problem is they get hyped, when they do nothing. I love goodra but they make the point he more or less cane back for fanservice as he didn’t do anything noteworthy beyond tie with slurpuff.
People keep forgetting that pidgeotto helped ash win 10 straight trainer battles backk in the beginning of the series (road to the pokemon league). Pidgeotto was good, but flying types in general were trash in gen 1.
I don't remember that
@@eljordinio7647 episode 8
You forgot the most overrated Pokémon of Ash: Rowlet.
How dare you disrespect GOD.
Lumiose Trainer Zac rowlet was the funniest of ash’s alolan team!
@@Zactoshi
But he didnt disrespect Snom
Rowlet overrated lmao, nice joke
@@Zactoshi tell him to pray bro Unless he's dead
It’s funny how they said sceptile was one of ash’s strongest pokemon on mystic umbreon but overrated on this channel
Plot twist: Ash's Gengar is actually Haunter
The fuck I never connected those dots in that order
Seeing Greninja in the top 3 despite you being a fan is just a treat. A lot of what I didn’t like about XYZ is just how much Greninja was soo over centralizing, also the Amourshipping teasing they’ve been doing since early in the series got frustrating after a while since that defined a lot of Serena’s character.
i agree thats why xyz is my least fav series
@@shreshthgupta9544 wtf?
I don’t like XY part cause die hard fans. They insult other parts and talk nonsense shippers, god Pokemon comeback etc
@@chainsawboy2388 ιт'ѕ тнєу'яє σριηιση ρℓѕ яєѕρє¢т ιт / it's they're opinion pls respect it
The Ash Greninja Sho-I mean X Y and Z really did Ash's other mons dirty. Ash's other mons are just kinda there, Noivern especially. Hell, even Pikachu got sidelined. He beat 2 pseudos in the Alain fight but everyone focused on Greninja's loss to Charizard. Even when this man LOSES he gets the spotlight. Sure aces usually get spotlight, but this was way too much.
I think greninja got too much attention that I didn't like tbh..
Its especially funny if you think about it. People regard Greninja as the ace of the Kalos team, while in reality, Talonflame was the ace of the Kalos team, since it contributed more than the other Kalos mons combined. Greninja wasn't even the ace.
@@nickdentoom1173 Wait really. TALONFLAME was the ace.
@@castform7 Yup.
Talonflame fought in 7 gyms (Only skipped Clemont). It got a win in every gym battle (Except for Grant), before it went down. The only gym where Greninja outperformed Talonflame was against Ramos. Other than that, Greninja only had 3 gyms (Ramos, Wulfric and Olympia, where it needed to be carried by Talonflame else it would have lost) and even during the league Talonflame didn't go down without taking down another mon.
During the Gym run, Talonflame as such had more impact than Greninja did. Even Hawlucha had more gyms than Greninja (Ramos, Korrina, Clemont, Valerie and Wulfric).
@@nickdentoom1173 Pickachu did exceptionally well but nobody cared....everyone was so obsessed with greninja even when it lost...
Pretty sure, Lucario by the end of Journeys will be in top spots. Writers love to put it in every hole possible. Even before evo it stole all spotlight from every non-Pikachu mon (even Greninja doesn`t do it that early). Giving Ash such an overpopular mon was a mistake.
Not to mention Dragonite and Gengar literally don't exist anymore. Really hope they do more with them before we have another Greninja situation.
Ash battled so many Lucarios in the past (even lost to it many times like it's some legendary) and didn't catch it in Sinnoh (when it was supposed to happen), which makes it so stupid when he catches it in Journeys. Not only does he copy/repeat the entire Bond story arc but also makes Ash's old mons to look stupid in comparison as he can rail pretty much anyone and has the spotlight 24/7 while Ash's old mons all choked on the big stage. Lucario is shown to be just born better; not to mention that Ash could have had any Mega Evolution but got the most overused one.
The fact that he defeated Cynthia's Garchomp is enough to not call him Overrated
Charizard is overrated as a character.
I like his development, but at the same time it's a very simple and cliché type of character arc: Greninja, Infernape, Incineroar, Lycanroc, Gliscor, Goodra, (maybe) Naganadel and even SM Pikachu are all mons who got either deeper backstories, poignant developments or more meaningful stories.
I believe that the victory against Gary's Blastoise was the best moment of Charizard's character arc, since he redeemed himself for his disobedient phase and showed the result of his training by destroying Ash's biggest rival; but after that moment, he lost to Blaziken without never having a rematch (even though the fight was great, not gonna lie), and his battle with Articuno, on one hand was awesome, but on the other hand it simply doesn't stand out compared to other battles more meaningful and with a better build up.
charizard is overrated as a character but greninjas character ark is laughingly not that that great now rewatching xy series, he's pretty overrated. Charizard does have long character ark bit atleast you see some sort of developmemt pay off. Greninja, haha strong form go burr. Thats almost about it with Greninja.
How does Greninja have a good arc buddy?
Charizard's arc is basically the Pokemon version of Bakugo's arc.
@@machspeed20 @Sage Blast
Greninja may not growing mentally, that's true, but he has indeed a storyline which was built up throught the whole series, even becoming a major part of XYZ's plot; the loss in the Kalos League Finals, the lack of coherency in his power level (almost destroying Diantha's ace with a glimpse of his power, yet then needing more effort to take down a Gym Leader's Pokémon) and the poor writing behind the goodbye damage him, but you can't deny this Pokémon has a very meaningful story to tell.
And it was also the first time a Pokémon's development was analyzed with such a huge attention during many episodes, which converged into one arc.
Charizard belongs to a period where the anipoké was very bland and basic in terms of storytelling, therefore his character can't be compared with others we would've got in the future - like Greninja.
@@sageblast3143 I knew that there was something familiar with Bakugo
@@davidedalterio4979 his development i felt was started in the first few episode's, then dropped and focused on goomy who i actually thought might become the ace, then they remembered, oh wait, isnt that frog thing supposed to be the ace, and then dropped goodra and gave him a plot armor form with little to no development. Also i wouldnt say he was destroying diantha as it was clear she wasnt taking it seriously. (she was barely ordering attacks and was just dodging). Xy's power consistency was so bad that you have talonflame and noivern who evolved to go toe to toe with legendaries. To Talonflame ending up sort of ok while noivern barely won anything. Even Pikachu was literally beat by a surskit. That is worst than a snivy in my book. Xy had some wack writing. (still had my favorite battle scenes of the series). But story wise its a meh.
Edit: was to fix the 60 billion spelling errors i made.
I actually don't agree with any picks on this list. I think that everyone involved doesn't really understand what "overrated" means. Consider, for example, the fact that Swellow is UNDER-appreciated doesn't mean Starraptor is overrated, usually people don't go die-hard about Ash's "best birbs" and deep-throat Staraptor, they usually gag for Pidgeot and Talonflame, and the important factor is UNDESERVINGLY so. This list is all about the respect his Pokemon DESERVE not the respect that Lumiose City NEEDS, Noibatman.
I would make Charizard, Pikachu, and Haunter the only honorable mentions, Pikachu and Charizard obviously have that favoritism and their power is a bit plot-convenient, but they've both pulled their weight in so many important battles with no hype or gimmicks, and Haunter never belonged to Ash so it doesn't make my list (but Haunter is one of the perfect examples of an actually overrated Pokemon). Even Greninja, who I agree is Ash's most sellout overhyped marketing gimmick is y no means SO highly overrated. It certainly IS overrated, you can tell because everyone thinks it's such bull that it didn't beat Charizard-X, and it got a whole like 2-3 seasons of the anime to itself, but it was just a flashy hype marketing tool and it lost to Sawyer's Sceptile in a terrible battle, it lost to Charizard-X, and it wasn't all that great outside of plot-contrived Ash-Form necessity, but it was still legitimately strong and pulled its weight for many of its battles, so it really can't be THAT overrated when the anime was exclusively focused on making IT the star.
In my opinion, as far as overrated Pokemon, I'd say his Pidgeot is his most overrated Pokemon of all time.
My list is Greninja, Hawlucha, Noivern, Melmetal, Incineroar, Talonflame, Kingler, Butterfree, Goodra, and Pidgeot in that order 10->1.
@UNKNOWN 2.0 That's another one that like I don't think cold be considered "overrated". People overlook it half the time for Charizard, and almost rightly so because Charizard has years more of consistent history and training and experience. The thing with basically ALL of Ash's Sinnoh team is that we got to see them actually all develop and train and grow and become worthwhile members of Ash's team that earned their respect and at the same time they were all humbled by a fair amount of losses as well as a fair amount of victories using their unique strengths. All of Ash's Sinnoh team had excellent battles even when they lost, and because they did regularly face hardships, people in general don't "dick-ride" his team. Infernape would have been the only one maybe but again, it gets overshadowed by Charizard, it has NEVER made a significant return appearance, and other Pokemon like Greninja took the spotlight and hype away.
JulianimeIsAmazing Greninja beat sceptile
DL is most overrated.
You got the meaning of "overrated" wrong. Charizard deserves those comebacks. He's the king!
This this right here is what we call Overrated ur an Indian u guys think Charizard is super strong but it just mediocre at best smh sis
@@Shokukun okay I am indian and I agree but don't do that i know. Indian's don't know about pokemon games but i am indian and I know Everything he is just a kid don't be mad
I hate charizard he is like my top 3 worst pokemon
@@notgamernotabot9514 you don't know pokemon enough if you think charizard is bad, I've played all games until gen 5, the only reason people hate him is because their favorite pokemon doesn't have as many forms as charizard. And in particular Ash's charizard has taken down legendary articuno and is the most loved kanto pokemon
Abhinav listen I don’t think that it is bad it’s just your biased towards Charizard but my opinion is Charizard is mediocre he is fine competitively like he is 4x times weak to rock and in Kanto he is the worst starter being weak to half of all the gym leaders and in the anime he is there cuz without him the show will be boring so it all comes full circle with Charizard being overrated and mediocre like Gf legit gives the dude 2 megas and a gm ax like WHAT anyways yeah also I’m not Indian I’m an Indian born American
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For Pignite to be overrated means some people have had to rate him highly.....
Does anyone actually hold Pignite up in high regard? hahaha
I did
Eh
He was good for what he was but my least favorite of his fire types
To me, Sceptile is not that overrated. He had a little arc back during the middle of the Battle Frontier series which furthered his bond with Ash after he evolved, which I liked, and his battle at the Battle Palace was awesome. He may not be Ash's Best Powerhouse, but he's still awesome. Can't beat the twig in the mouth.
Also Sceptile is honestly ash's strongest starter by ONLY ash's natural training think about it he didn't have a special training location like Charizard, his overgrow was absolutely nothing compared to Infernapes blaze, and didn't have a special form like greninja. Also unlike Infernape and especially Greninja he didn't hog spotlight to harm mons like Torterra, Gliscor, Goodra and Noivern.
Ash Grovyle should’ve evolved during the Hoenn League when it battled Katie’s Walrein. It would be epic to see it struggle a little as a
Grovyle and then it would evolve after it gets hit by 2 ice beams then evolves and takes it down.
@@battletrainer2495 There is so much potential to Ash's Sceptile that was missed, including a missed "Bro-Mance" with (What would become) May's Blaziken.
honestly thought Riolu/Lucario would be here. Ash hasn't really focused on any non-Riolu pokemon for the last 17 episodes
Agree, Lucario will be top 3 in the future.
It feels like wasted potential. The Lucario movie and the spiritomb episode outright say ash is an aura guardian and he never follows up on this. I thought it’d be cool to explore in journeys but beyond riolu choosing ash, he never does.
@@sookeysookey1 its too soon for that really. We aren't even 1-3rd of the way into journeys
*Ah yes Infernape is not overrated but the Pokémon from Ash that defeated Regice, Latios, Silvally, Tapu Koko, Darkrai and Articuno are definitely overrated yep that make sense lmao*
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nobody is saying that Infernape is stronger than charizard or pikachu though
He is not overrated as people scale him to be Ashs second strongest fire type not strongest
Infenape has an insane winrate. Its definitely not overrated
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*If Pikachu, Sceptile and Charizard who have defeated legendaries are apparently overrated than so is Infernape*
LOL I love that bit where Mystic refused to talk about Pignite. 😂
Fun fact: Pignite is my fourth favorite Unovan Pokémon Ash owns.
Another memeroble moment of ash sceptile is against spencer where it defeated shiftry and claydol you forgot to mention that battle
Yeah Sceptile is hardly overrated given how well it shined there after it finally got over its heartbreak.
@@TimG57867 But it go mostly all the credit for beating Darkrai when Heracross and Gible got I down low , Sceptile just delivered the final hit. So Sceptile is definitely overrated
@@penguinpulverizers5985
Not really: heracross and gible did almost no damage since Darkrai healed itself using Dream eater
@@penguinpulverizers5985 First off Darkrai got back a lot of Heracross's damage from Dream Eater. Second of all Darkrai was easilly soloing *FULL PARTIES* up to that point. ANY Pokemon taking it down was super huge. Also Sceptile has good feats beyond the Darkrai win. It basically won Ash his Battle Symbol against Spencer.
@@TimG57867 I'm not saying this battle wasn't huge because it definitely was and I'm happy that my boi Sceptile beat it. But Sceptile didint do all the work and I dont see anyone give the others any credit, if Sceptile took it down on full health then it makes sense , like Charizard with Articuno or Pikichu with well a lot of mons , but it didn't but yeah Sceptile is one of his best mons tho
I personally don’t think that Sceptile, Goodra or Staraptor are overrated.
Noctowl isn't overrated either
Goodra and Sceptile are, if you think about it, Staraptor meanwhile isn't
@@oresti9271 No towel was underused. I'm currently finishing Master Quest, and I still get headaches from how he barely used it to. There were too many more times where Noctowl should've been used to pop those Team Rocket balloons.
@@jaycomplexkidrandle1889 noctowl really loved destroying team rockets balloons 😂but after johto tho noctowl was more in the forgettable side
@Alex Pan that's what I said.
When raf gets denied:
Zac: Sorry raf-
Entity: Ha get ney neyed
The real issue with Ash's Sceptile was that Swellow overshadowed it 😏
Pretty much agree with this list though, can't really think of anything else I'd put there
Silence AG stan lol
@@Zactoshi man
Infernape
And also he evolved in battle Frontier
So he never got to shine except some of the main matches like against Spencer, Tobias, against may but he had lost a lot of matches as grovyle and as treeko like matches against Juan luvdisc ,Morrison gligar. Steven metagross are some of those which everyone think that grovyle would win but it couldn't and in some of the matches he lost because of ash stupidity so even as a sceptile fan I think he lost the lot of match so he is not in the level of Charizard ,greninga etc are he is overrated because not of that he is less powerful it has a lot of his lot of power but not presented in a good way in the Anime
Thats true bro but still sceptile is easily one of ashs best pokemon and not gonna lie it really sucked to see it not be a part of some over powered battle except tobias and norman and it also lost badly against regirock of Brandon they did him dirty :( and also zacy man I agree that greninja took screen time and I I really fricking wished even if they gave him this cool form which is by far my fav pokemon they could have atleast shown ash that he was over using it like charizatd and make him focus on noivern halucha and talonflame even if not halucha and talonflame noivern was a damn powerhouse you can see just by seeing that with practically no training it defeated sawyers salamence and also his attack really did some good knock back to zapdos and that's why mainly when you think of xyz you mainly think about greninja and not the group as a whole and by far xyz has done most of that other regions also did like in johto a bit of charizars during the league and infernape during the league but that's not by overshadowing all the other pokemon and showing the group as a whole is by far done best by sun and moon and by journeys so far atleast till now so I really wish ash gives his old pokemon who hardly got screen time some decent love
Ash's lucario is gonna be the next number one. Atleast he carried his pokemon in his adventures and got some screen time. Now they are just dumped at lab.
I rlly hate this about Journeys. The pokemon, aside from Pikachu, Riolu, Raboot, and Sobble, don't even feel like characters
Saad Khan another problem I think is ash doesn’t fully evolve them. I guess ash is the champion and yeah, he and his crew didn’t always evolve Pokémon from the start, but the fun about watching ash catch goomy was evolving it into a goodra. Ash just has dragonite because dragonite is a fan favorite. He didn’t evolve it from a super weak dratini.
@@sookeysookey1 i didnt watch the sm series . Was he the champion of alola aur just a league winner
Sarthak Singh since the show is having ash be the protagonist from SM, he’s basically the champion. He’s not Tobias or Alain, he’s on the hypothetical legal level of Cynthia or Diantha.
@@sookeysookey1 yeah hypothetically ...cuz they wont be losing to random roadside trainer or beA . even alan or tobias wont
Imagine if Ash did properly trained Naganadel and Melmetal then they would be his most powerful Pokémon
More like noivern and torterra
jpatel862 they’d be okay-ish but training a Mythical with strength and durability of a DBZ Super character and an Ultra Beast that’s as fast as light if not way faster would already turn the tables to Ash’s favour
They would still fail because his other Pokemon would also train
@@shaggyrogers7986 well take into consideration that Ash’s Incineroar beat a Battle Royale champion Incineroar that doesn’t have a blind spot and other Ash’s Alolan Pokémon always self train including Ash’s Incineroar so Melmetal would’ve got a lot stronger when Ash returned to Alola and giving Naganadel extra training combined with it’s near unbeatable speed and the fact that fairy and steel types are 1x effective to it would make it much more of a powerhouse than the nonsense which is a low budget version of mega evolution aka Ash-Greninja
@@shaggyrogers7986 although Ash catching a Kommo-o or a Jangmo-o then evolving it to Hakamo-o and then a Kommo-o would make Ash’s Alolan team even more broken
I'm a little confused with this list though, would be great if you defined what you perceive as overrated at the beginning of the video.
i think he tells about the pokemon which have become overrated thanks to the anime..butstill those pokemon are pretty OP in the anime but comparatively weaker in the games
I'd put Squirtle as Ash's most overrated starter. I did a deep dive of its history on my channel and besides Paris, Exeggutor, and Tentacool, it didn't win any battles until it fougth Raymond's Machamp in Mewtwo Strikes Back and the Indigio League where it beat a Nidorino. It was pretty lackluster until learning Hydro Pump against Rudy's Starmie.
YOYO Lumiouse Trainer Zac, first off you dope and rad as hell I've been a fan of you for a good while now. I love your context your top 10s and opinions. I have an idea for a future video please consider this one. The top 10 best schemes, top 10 best disguises and top 10 mechas done by team Rocket, I'm rewatching the Hoenn Series right now and the idea came to mind. Please notice me senpai I stan you, and Mystic too
How is pignite overrated? Almost no one likes it in fact it is underrated most people do not know that it took out a hydreigon and almost beat a samurott. And it destroyed an emboar and heatmor with 1 attack. For something to be overrated it has a to be popular or else how would it be overrated? Pignite has no love so it is not overrated
What about riolu thanks to it we barely see Dragonite and gengar
ash even lost to bea due to his overconfidence with it.
@@w925gaming6 ye he could of used dragonite and gengar cuz dragonite is a flying type and gengar has an immunity but people overlook that due to riolu
If Greninja is not on this list I swear-
I’m just surprised it’s lower than Staraptor.
Honestly i feel like greninja should have been higher on the list I mean it got a whole season dedicated to it
@@csmic7531 Really dude? He's frickin number 3, and also the thing about the season dedicated to him is the only reason for him being overrated.
Thankfully he is but sad that he’s not the most overrated according to Zac & Mystic
This is my opinion
Greninja after seeing this video: Seriously
Me: Don't worry I think you're better than Staraptor.
Greninja: Thanks
Them : *"Charizard is no. 1 Overrated"*
Everyone in the comments when something Kalos-Return Theory related pops-up : "Greninja is the *BEST!* , hope Ash-Greninja Return!"
He appeared 4/8 regions
Thank god they didnt bring him for the sinnoh league cause he would have been even more overated
@@garchompgamer1874
How is that Overrated?
Overrated means sacling a Pokemon way above its capabilities.
The term you are referring to is " Overhyped"
@@sageblast3143 yeah im a idiot
Are you really forgetting Sceptile beat both Shiftry and Claydol from frontier brain Spenser in same battle?
Even Infernape won only against 2 trainers, Volkner and Paul.
And you guys considering his win records but forget that Sceptile had much harder fights than any other ace Pokemons, like Sceptile put against Pokemons who had type advantage against him so many times compared to other ace or fight 4 Legendary/Mythical Pokemons.
Um let me break it down chimchar beat 2 of fantinas pokemon 2 of Byrons pokemon 2 of Candice’s and 2 of volkners and 3 of the battles i mentions was as a chimchar
@@MrCat73 in this video only Sceptile win was mentioned that's why I only talk about Infernape wins otherwise Treecko and Grovyle had many wins too and don't forget most of the time Treecko-Sceptile was put against type disadvantage or Legendaries/Mythicals unlike Chimchar-Infernape who rarely had type disadvantage
Infernape still won a lot more and only lost like 1 battle as an infernape. And again most of the time when it battle it was a chimchar
@@MrCat73 and most of the Sceptile even Treecko and Grovyle battle was huge disadvantage for him, how many times did Chimchar-Infernape battle with type disadvantage?
Treecko battle against Roxanne and Brawly without knowing any grass moves, Ash use Treecko in fire and flying type gym and he bring victory against Altaria, put up against steel type metagross and fire type Quilava & Charizard, fight 2 Mythicals and 2 Legendaries.
Only time Chimchar-infernape had type disadvantage was against Roark Pokemon but even than he had ground type move dig or against newly evolved croconow but the trainer don't even had experience.
@@inamdaryasin it doesn’t matter about the type matchups as long as u have good battles its ok infernape has other countless great battles that is a neutral battle infernape has a 83% win rate sceptiles is 44% almost double and anyways thats the writers fault for not giving chimchar a type disadvantage. Chimchar beat drifblim which this legendary slaying pikachu couldnt. And going back to the type advantage thing we have no proof that infernape would suck. Also infernape has a way better typing and movepool infernape is dual typing and is good against 7 types and has dig and ground is the only type that can deal super effective damage for electric types and sceptile only knows grass and normal moves, and ground alone deals super effective for 5 types (fire electric poison rock and steel) and grass is a pretty bad typing it ties with rock for the most weaknesses at 5. And u know how u said that treecko has no grass type moves for a while well chimchar already had the move flamethrower. And I’m pretty sure that infernape is durable enough in the battle against Paul he used flareblitz 3 times, toxic spikes, giga drain damage, multiple thunder punches and thunder if this was the games infernape would have been OHKO’dl also infernape knocked out a ninjask with a fighting type move that ninjask 4x resists and beat an electivire who might i just mention beat a ground/flying type with a fighting move yeah. And also every pokemon that ash used in hoenn except torkoal has a higher win rate🤣
Zac : Goodra is ash first pseudo legendary
Gible : wat
Well, it's depends, if you only count fully evoled pseudo legendary, it make sense, but included baby forms, yeah i can understand this one
Lumious Trainer Zac: PokeRaf ur doing the vid
MysticUmbreon: I dont think you
It actually bothers me when people say that Greninja is Ash's strongest pokemon when it can't even beat Alain's injured Charizard. In that battle, Pikachu defeated a Tyranitar and a Metagross. After that, it fought Alain's Charizard. A single thunderbolt from Pikachu made that Charizard kneel. Also, I think Greninja won't even win against powerful pokemon without turning into Ash Greninja. That's why, I think Charizard, Infernape and Pikachu is stronger than it.
I agree with you about the Ash Greninja show. I really thought that after Ash's defeat from Wulfric, his character development would be him thinking that perhaps his loss is because he only focused on Ash Greninja and not on his other pokemon. But I guess not.
Lucario is going to become the next greninja..... He's already stealing all the spotlight from other mons lol
Finaly someone agrees
Yep. And Dracovish is most likely gonna become the next Noivern.
2 things:
1: You can't remember anymore iconic Sceptile battles? What about his battle against Spencer? That one was amazing.
2: I would argue Greninja is a lot more overrated than Charizard, but that's just me.
We should not forget that without melmetal's effort pikachu couldn't have one shot silvally
9:10 Zac:- we need infernape and others
Writers:- Ur wish is our command
The logic here didn’t make too much sense... this should be able Pokémon Ash owns who the fans over hype. Pokémon people talk about are the ones who should be on this list.
Zack: Charizard has a hole episode.
Me: Greninja has a hole serie
My friend whacked XYZand he only know
greninja and pikachu 😂😂
raf these days: everyone wants to get replaced at entity mays reactions and now he gets replaced by mistic on dms
I think a lot people with brain cells would probably agree with a lot of the Pokémon you listed. Just as a side note for most people, being the overrated Pokémon isn’t necessarily a bad thing, your still, it just means that you might take all of the spotlight away from other Pokémon that are also favorites.
I can't believe that greninja was 3rd,it should have tied with charizard
since when is noctowl overatted its pretty underrated
Cause it’s ash’s only shiny
Love that smooth transition at 7:21 Awesome video guys! 😎😎
I think Greninja should've been number 1. I know it's your favorite and all but you cannot tell me that there isn't an interbet cult protesting to get Greninja back. And I'm gonna say it right now, releasing Greninja was the smartest choice Pokémon ever did. Also you can't convince me you're not the leader of that Greninja cult Zac
One of zacs videos about to end:
Zac:SQUARE SPACE IS A PLATFORM -
Zac:Goodra is Ashs first psudoe legendary
Gible:Forgettin me
But I think he meant first fully evolve.
Yeah he ment fully evolved one
As much as I hate it Goodra is overrated
Love the intro! You even got Ben to do a tiny cameo. It's great that you're collaborating with other people from the Anipoke bros so yee!
So Sceptile's battles against Spencer, Norman & Brawly, none of them stand out? I think they problem might just be that you only remember May and Tobias because they're literally the last 2 battles it had. It also may be a problem that Ash kept an awful moveset on it for most of its run (never dropped bullet seed or pound for all of Hoenn) and that Ash used it poorly a lot of the time, like not teaching it a grass move before fighting Roxanne or sending it out INJURED to battle in a FIRE gym. The fact it stood out at all is more of an indication that it's rated just fine if you ask me.
Yeah now that I think about it, Sceptile's moves suck. By Tobias he had Leaf Storm, Leaf Blade, Bullet Seed and Quick Attack. And he mostly still prevailed. The ratings he gets are fine to me. At best I see him at number 10.
@Skurk I remember using a Sceptile in Saphire and yeah his moveset is just bad. Who thought it was a good idea to make Grovyle learn Leaf Blade at level 29!
@Skurk Yes, but still, even in Gen III it could have learned Pursuit, Detect, Giga Drain, Slam, Aerial Ace, Brick Break, etc. and Ash still kept Pound on it until Sinnoh and it still has bullet seed. That was my point on Ash's bad moveset choice.
I agree..
Tbh Zac & Mystic THOUGHT MY BOI Infernape was gonna be on here!
Everybody are giving Noivern a shit treatment, and idolize Goodra, but guess what, Noivern was better at the Kalos League. It has a badass battle with Salamence, that ended up in a tie, Goodra tied with the fucking Slurpuff, and don't start talking about type advantage. What's the better way to tie, with Salamence, or with Slurpuff.
My only inconvenient... Sawyer's Slurpuff wasn't that strong, against Tierno he barely does anything, and he only got Goodra because of Type advantage, meaning that Tie was rushed, meanwhile Salamence looks stronger and intimidating, this is why I justify Noivern's tie against Salamence, sadly I can't say the same thing with Goodra, 2nd tie in a row is just an excuse to focus more in the battle between Greninja and Sceptile.
Mystic and Zack: Sceptile is overrated!
also mystic and zack: They should've brought sceptile back
Charizard was bdoughr back in Unova not because of the league only:
Initially when X/Y released their first set of Mega evolutions: Only Mega Charizard Y was there. They initially planned on making Ash reveal Mega Charizard X through his ( which is why Charizard even had a Physical moveset in Unova) , but later decided to give Red a Mega Charizard X instead.
was nervous that infernape was gonna make the list. Good thing he’s safe😎
Why there greninja then
6:45 I am actually socked I was expecting greninja to be number 1
i'd put rowlet on this list tbh. the mon didn't battle from SM36 - SM97. that's over 60 episodes and it still didn't do anything battle wise until the league officially started in SM129. definitely value personality over strength but i like a balance between the two like lycanroc. not only does it have a pretty good personality, it also has a lot of battles under its belt. only thing i remember rowlet doing in that time frame is learning a new move through a weird way and befriending meltan. seriously don't remember anything else from it besides its personality.
Rowlet only is a good poke.
Them talking about Win-rates
Me: You do realize win-rates mean jack-shit if it isn't a direct 1v1, right?
Well win rates determine how much a a pokemon has won or lost for eg. Kingler lost 1 Mach and won 2
@@MrCat73 Yeah. But you also have to take into account the amount of battles. Due to Kingler having only 3 battles and only 1 loss, he is in Ash's top six strongest battlers, whereas Pikachu and Charizard are always in the middle of the battlers (They have a mediocore win/loss rate due to their amount of battles).
It was just an example bro explains how it was
Sceptile beat Tobias level 100' Game Shark Darkrai. He isn't overrated.
Heracross is one of ash best pokemon, bruh SATOSHI GEKOGA is da best
F in chat if charizard is overrated
Infernape is, most wins plus awesome personality and character development
Imo bulbasaur is technically the best, it showed that evolution isn't necessary and all pokemon are powerful in their own way.
However I kinda hate it because it didn't evolve >:(
Kanto is overrated
@@farts8351 it should have at least became an Ivysaur. 😔
for melmetal, you have to remember that it had like zero training and only won 1 official battle, which was actually his only official battle
He also took on Rykui alongside rowlet and won
But still its still trash
Him: ash's top 10 overratted pokemon
Me: no. 1 is obviously greninja, no doubt
And it was charizard
W R O N G
Greninja *IS* overrated..
Imagine that gengar was the haunter ash met in Kanto
I’ve been scrolling down in the comments for a while and didn’t see this so I’m gonna say it, sceptile didn’t beat darkrai it FINISHED it there is a big difference darkrai went through about half of ash’s team so was worn out then sceptile came in how come there isn’t anyone talking about that
I agree but it also beat an E4 lv frontier brain's 2 Pokémon
lets say that melmetal fainted because 'type weaknesses'
I have not finished the video and i already knew greninja and charizard were on the list
i think pignite was a really strong pokemon
So y did it never fully evolve?
3:20 guys sorry but sceptile is literally underrated. U think the battle against may and darkrai were the only memorable sceptile fights? Cmon now y’all don’t remember when sceptile took down Spencer’s claydol and shiftry and battle frontier brains are elite 4 level trainers. Not to mention sceptile also damaged Brandon’s regirock who is far stronger than other frontier brains. Sceptile is literally one of the few Pokémon in ash’s team that has such good feats. When u determine a Pokémon’s strength in the anime, you cannot determine it by their win rates. U determine them based on who has the better feats.
Yay! Another video by Zac!
I'm your biggest fan. Hello there.
Zac says that pigeot is overrated
Me who’s first shiny was pigeotto
Me sad pigeot noises
Pokemon XY&Z Anime was awesome but they played dirty with Ash's Kalos Team esp: Noivern & Goodra getting defeated so easily while Pikachu get two win in Sawyer Battle against Clawitzer & Aegislash and Alain's Battle against Pseudo Legends Metagross & Tyranitar which was unnecessary for me.
Goodra & Noivern should be Ash's 2nd/3rd Strongest Kalos Pokemon considering personal episodes & should got 1 win in Semi & Final rather Pikachu .
In Comparison Sinnoh Team out of 7 only Torterra failed to get one win while all pokemon had fair share of victories during Season Finale.
Sun & Moon Team done what Kalos team fail to do not only they won Ash a League but also had character development & RIvals to accomplish.
Grenninja was used a lot but frogadier got the least ammount of attention out of all of ashs pokemon in kalos
Riolu/Lucario is going to be if not the most, then one of the most overrated Ash's pokemon. It have every attention of all of Ash's pokemon. Ash literally caught a Farfetch'd, only to be Riolu's personal punching bag. It's gonna be so fucking funny, if Lucario is gonna become a Pignite of JN, a pokemon, who has the most attention, but not be even in the top of Ash's pokemon's list, but Dragonite with three or four battles will be
I am really early and I am hyped for the video. Suprised you collabed with him but, I should have expected it as I got the notifications of both of you at the same time.
Even I still like my boi greninja
The reason for Pignite is kinda bad in my opinion. It's more about what MysticUmbreon thinks rather than the general consensus for the fandom. The only reason why he doesn't like it is because of the looks...
There’s nothing wrong with Pignite, guys. He came through more often than Snivy and Oshawott, and especially Unfezant. I think Pignite could be Ash’s second best Unova Pokémon.
Levany is his second best unova pokemon
@@fransbezuidenhout485 Yeah, I kinda thought that too.
Then let's just say he's a close third
Imagine any Pokémon being Worse than unfezant. I could never
@@jonathanfarah8612 pidgeot, butterfree and muk
Ash's Sceppy do be looking like a badass, tho.
I beat sawyers sceptile😎
Obviously the best Pokemons will fall among the topic "Overrated"....... Greninja stole the show only cuz it is the world's most demanded Pokemon and it was obvious..... The Best's will obviously steal shows. 🤷♂️
If Pokemon was in the real life my team would be:
Charizard
Sceptile
Greninja
Zeraora
Dragonite
Krookadile
Both mysticumbreon and you posted at the same time
They collaborated on both channels..
Yeah but not even a second late
V3nøm Gaming they probably timed it 😂
Yeah