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Thanks for your thoughts on this. Nice to hear a more nuanced take. Obviously Amazon is questionable in many ways but Kick is specifically intended to circumvent gambling rules, and funnel 'casual' viewers into gambling. Hard not to see that as more harmful, at least in the short term.
As someone who comes from a gambling addicted family, and just family that’s just prone to addiction, I think kick’s set up is kinda slimy and underhanded. It just sounds very meticulously set up to trap children, teens, and adults to a life of debt and addiction just so they can profit…just icky😕
@@LittleYokiI'm literally a diagnosed alcoholic. Those are not the same at all. Imagine if Smirnoff was sponsoring kids events and entertainment? That's not the same as just having a wine aisle.
@@LittleYoki grocery stores also don’t let children buy alcohol….I don’t really understand your agreement. The biggest thing here is exposing children and teens to that life crushing addiction. I honestly wouldn’t give two shits if they had stronger age restrictions and rules in place. Game like format helps draw in children thinking it’s literally a fun game. I don’t see alcohol companies BLATANTLY advertise to children😒
@@LittleYokias an ex-alcoholic i understand where you coming from, but difference is that Kick is marketing this all to children via content creators. No one was selling us drinking in kids shows when we were young...
@@mightymeatymech My issue with this whole argument is that 5000 viewers watch gambling streams while at least 20k people watch gambling streams on Twitch also less than 5 percent of kick watches gambling streams and while that is definitely more that twitch's percentage its still a small percentage also i just looked up these stats
seriously, i feel like women who stream have to constantly put up with so much bull from their own CO workers and peers AND fans/haters, all of whom show how entrenched misogyny is baked into their skin
People for some reason are just threatened by women in general especially if they are pretty and have a basic personality (they are nice by nature) it's just bizarre and pathetic.
Specially Poki, girl inhales literal air and upsets people for no reason. She really got called “insecure” for having better morals than rich cash grabbers.
People saying “oh, but you can’t criticize kick while streaming on twitch” is giving very “oh, you criticize capitalism while on iPhone haha gottem” vibes, and I hate both of them equally and both are horrible arguments as to why things can’t be criticized.
can't as in cannot? Thats like the opposite of what you're supposed to take from that. They're BOTH EQUALLY awful when they aren't at all. You're not supposed to stop critiquing capitalism because both options are awful and in someones mind EQUALLY bad. You're supposed to be critically thinking about either decision. Capitalism leaves us ALL with dilemmas like this where there is no ONE solution as BOTH options are equally HORRID. The criticism is supposed to help you decide for yourself "What am i ok with?" not as a rhetorical thought question so as to excuse myself from applying precise and proper criticisms.
@@XBADNDNX ….that’s….that was my point??? Edit: to clarify, I’m saying people say that whole “gottem” thing to silence others when they critique something while participating in what they (the critique-er) perceive as the lesser of two evils. People like that argue that you can’t both say something is bad while participating in something similar…which is what I was saying I didn’t like. You should be able to participate in things while _also_ saying and acknowledging and pointing out how it and similar things are bad, but knowing that there is no better form. Being a person in society should not null-and-void your argument on why and how society is flawed, and thinking on how it could be fixed or bettered.
@@KatBambithere are better solutions but it deals with dismantling capitalism and establishing socialism. Even then, just to use the system to benefit the people than those higher up the ladder.
Oh my god yess, its like you are in a boat in the middle of ocean nowhere else to go, and the boat is broken. Then we said/criticize "this boat suck we need to fix this" and then this prick said "ugh how abt you jump if you hate this boat huh"
@@KatBambi "Being a person in society" Supporting a capitalist company (such as apple) is not "being a person in society". If you hate kick but support twitch, you are indeed a hypocrite Now, you said you hate twitch as well, which means the above doesn't apply to you. But why are you mad at people making the above argument?
I just can't believe all this came from Pokimane honestly answering a question. She was asked if she would move, and she said no and gave a reason. Now suddenly shes trying to push an agenda and has an alterior motive? SHE ANSWERED A FUCKING QUESTION SHE WAS ASKED! God forbid women do anything smh
I know right! I what thinking what wrong with what said. Did not make any sense why Charlie talked negatively about her answering someone’s question. I would not move to Kick. It’s dirty gambling.
I think if you make a statement you are allowed to be criticized. However, I think the moral discussion is interesting but you are totally right. I'm way more interested in why people are attacking her personally for an actually good discussion on ethics and morals. It's weird how when a fem person is very direct with their views people have problems.
@@soggyfroggy22I already KNOW if Charlie had a “hot take” (which he normally does) he wouldn’t even be half as criticized as poki or any other fem streamer.
yeah, I don't watch pokimane but I'm generally inclined to take her side if only because every time I've seen people get mad at her it's for some nonsense that makes them sound like misogynistic clowns. Maybe she has done bad things, I don't know, I just know people get upset at her when she does literally nothing wrong
@@verdrin7107 Its honestly just because they are misogynistic clowns, looking for any reason to get over-the-top mad at a girl who has a lot of money and fame. Because they want to seem superior to her, or drag her down into the mud with them. Sad reality, but not one we haven't seen before.
both services suck, but personally i find kick much more harmful. i think anyone hating on pokimane and others for simply giving an opinion are just incredibly immature.
but Poki attacks first, even Asmon is also sure that Poki thinks people who stream on Kick have lower morale. do they have no right to defend themselves?
@kuekeju2300 Yeah, taking money to attract vulnerable fans into gambling which results in their lives being ruined or worse is just morally wrong. Pokimane is right Gambling is only so hugely profitable because it preys on people with neurodivergences or mental health disorders. To support it is basically killing those people (and yes, many of them do end up taking their lives).
Yeah I don’t think marketing your website as a free speech website was the best idea because it’s been where most trans/homophobic right wing content creators go I felt right away that it would definitely make some streamers look the other way
I like Mutahar’s take on this whole thing, both these streaming platforms are ran by awful companies. Trying to take a moral high ground is just dumb. As for Adin he should get off the internet in general he’s nothing but a clown.
I will say being owned by Amazon vs actively promoting gambling is not exactly an even comparison for folks to hinge the debate on. One is certainly more direct and in the control of the service than the other.
I think something that people defending Kick forget is that Twitch was initially made as an honest normal live streaming site while Kick was made exclusively to allow and promote gambling. the intentions are entirely different and that's enough to make Kick morally worse
@@johnjsonexactly, also for being "nunaced" they themselves are not being nuanced at all. If we have to choose the greater devil its obviously KICK doesn't mean Twitch is better than it.
Also why are we acting like twitch is the number one place where people learn about amazon? Not only do most people already know it, but for sure it's mostly known through people recommending it to eachother and advertisment and shit
I mean Stake is illegal gambling, and Stake as well as kick are literally illegal in countries in the EU. Like WHOLE ASS COUNTRIES SAID NO. To my knowledge this is not the case with Amazon that ALONE makes the case.
i cannot express how well your opinion was explained. i held the opinion, before watching the whole video, that streaming on kick is worse than streaming on twitch but i could not fully express why. the point of amazon already being so mind-blowingly popular is so important. everyone is already aware of amazon and their terrible practices. but for kick, most people have no idea what stake is and kick provides active promotion of a shitty company that now has the opportunity to become more popular and wreak more havoc.
that's just one side of the coin. Twitch still promotes gambling, along with softcore pornography. Pokimane can't be bitter towards Kick streamers when the site she uses does the same exact thing. There are cryptoslots and many more on twitch. But people conveniently gloss over that.
@@laphonzhe didn't gloss over that. He explained that kick has the illegal gambling up front and center, where twitch doesn't. You can go on a chess stream and multiple recommended streams are gambling right there on stake. It's in the top 3 categories. It's not even close to that on twitch. I think Nick said it was like #21.
@@laphonzut it's still not fullblown gambing Or p0rnography... It's worse than Twitch in a sense and idk why you should send hate to anyone for pointing out the facts
I also feel like the argument that stake causes a very bad addiction, which per Nick have the highest suicide rate, where as Amazon just provides a webshop for buying shit is kinda important. I know Amazon still has very bad practices, but they definitely don't cause major life-ruining addictions which to me is a very different ballgame 🤷🏼♀️
Charlie's argument is flawed. You can easily turn that around on him with "Twitch directly advertising Amazon shows transparency while Kick 'hiding' their relation to Stake shows how sketchy the platform/company is"
i don't think the point he is making is about being transparent with the relation, but who is directly advertising X to the viewers. he says stake is not being advertised outside of the gambling section, while amazon is advertised everywhere in twitch. correct me if i'm wrong, tho.
yeah, everyone arguing that 'why are you talking about kick when twitch is actually worse" are using the logcial fallacy of relative privation. they wouldnt need to use fallacies in their arguments if they had a valid argument
@@dabordietrying not even arguing about your conclusion, but this is just straight up not relative privation. If you believe kick is worse and he believes twitch is worse are you both guilty of relative privation? No, neither side has appealed to that fallacy. Simply two sides arguing about which thing is worse.
@@throyald no. the argument was about wether or not kick was bad, not wether or not it was worse than twitch. thats when people came and used the relative privation fallacy to argue
@@dabordietrying I don’t think you know what the fallacy is. Which i shouldn’t be upset about, because there are children starving in Africa. ^that is relative privation. Him saying “it’s hypocritical to criticize one while utilizing another when they’re both bad” is not an example. In this context, it would be relative privation if he said “it doesn’t matter that kick is bad, because Amazon is bad” which isn’t what he said in those tweets. Again, I don’t agree with Charlie even and m I’m not even trying to demean you, just trying to point out that his argument is perhaps flawed in other ways because this isn’t quite an example of that fallacy. This would be more like false equivalence fallacy imo, although I wouldn’t think it’s QUITE that either
Since MoistCritical's garbage take about Idubbz I really don't care about his opinions, lol. Seems like yet again he tries to find nuance where there wasn't a need for him to weigh in at all.
Also some issues can't just have "nuance". Some takes are just bad... There's no need to defend them or advocate for it. Then again there are some issues that do need nuance and almost most don't especially if those issues are actively harming people.
Sucking on the toes? 100 million is like picking the junk out from underneath the toenails- then giving it a sniff before eating it. Then doing a slobber job between and around the toes itself
I think both are bad but pokimane was just talking about herself personally not anyone else. If she moved to kick everyone would be calling he a hypocrite… she just said the obvious.
Well said, that's what I can't understand, is why people are so offended by what she said. She didn't attack anyone, all she said was she PERSONALLY was good where she was and didn't want to compromise her PERSONAL morals or ethics. Like how anyone took that and went "she's calling me out" is kind of wild, and pretty telling that Kick streamers immediately became so defensive.
lmao she basically said it was bad and immoral, even told rae to not congratulate XQC publicly cause of it, have you even watched what you are talking about?
I don't think it's a secret that some gamers hate women, but criticizing her for being "mean, bitter, unpleasant" while the worst thing he can accuse her of is being critical of something is so telling. She doesn't owe it to him to just bat her eyelashes and say "okay!" every time she speaks. She was not being bitter; she does not owe constant sweetness to anyone.
I think the whole idea is that kick is marketed not only as a place for gambling, but in general loose guidelines for content creators. Well, what do people always complain about on twitch? Not being able to be edgy and say slurs, so kick ends up being a site for people who embody racist, homophobic, etc beliefs.
Exactly. People like Sneako and Adin Ross are the people on that site. It's as bad as rumble, first video I saw on that site was a transphobic ass in clown makeup.
@@mcrodosn yep, and whether nick meant to, or other people are meaning to, i feel as though that’s extremely overlooked and important. situations like these especially have more nuance than people are always willing to recognize
Yup. Dan Olsen talked about this phenomenon in his video "VidMe- Why Platforms Arent Your Friends." If you market yourself in opposition to the more popular platform, you will often end up with the people who are too toxic for that platform.
People have an issue if Pokimane breathes too loudly....the amount of people that spend their time hate watching is incredible. And then worship XQC of all people??? LMAOOO...I cant imagine being a more embarrassing person. Kick is worse just for what it pushes. We can disconnect Amazon from Twitch. The main goal of Twitch isnt for people to get on Amazon but Kick..? Poor take on Charlies part
@@bishopwittenmyer5319 No one is going to buy an Amazon Prime membership purely to watch Twitch. Prime is $15/month. You can sub for $5 without ever interacting with Amazon. It doesn't encourage people to use Amazon. It encourages Amazon users to use Twitch. Use your brain.
@@DCDragon Wow two more woman streamers, BIG surprise....Obviously theyre getting the same amount of hate....they all have something in common that would make them be the target of countless men...But thank you for the examples?
i wont name names but thank you for saying your mind and not sugarcoating/being a centrist on topics like other youtubers ik. it’s very refreshing to see!
Not only are these videos like oddly comforting, like an older sibling explaining something you missed cause you’re a kid, but also Nick totally has helped me better articulate my opinions like he does
@@imalittletoxicjustalittle wow you seem upset, had a bad day? Decided you needed to let off some steam so you replied to a stranger’s comment that rubbed you the wrong way? It’s fine but let’s not pretend you know shit about me or lump me into some group you’ve made up in your head
Edit: trigger warning: someone in the comments wants to invalidate people with actual addictions. Just saying! I know it can be harmful to read or hear that stuff. Remember your experiences matter and you aren’t your faults. Stay strong friends 🌸 •As someone who’s biological father gambled any child care money received and even let me play the apps with him, thank you for this. He was and is still do this day heavily addicted to gambling. My mother said he got better after they divorced but soon discovered a gambling app over the computer. That turned into playing in just the palm of his hand and truthfully, the man never stood a chance. I’m nineteen now so I can look back and understand why he didn’t buy me clothes or go to the grocery store or why the furniture looked as if he found it in the dump (he did). And I used to be angrier until I dealt with my own addiction and then I understood. I’m just lucky I was addicted to alcohol and drugs- and couldn’t just go on my phone while I was quitting. I worry so much for the generation growing up with all this input 24/7. It was hard for me figuring out my own person and I just had to deal with snap and insta. These poor kids man. Good luck to anyone struggling I’ve been clean for almost 4yrs. And I still struggle with not letting those impulses get to me.
My father got addicted to the casino and threw away my parents life savings of over 500k. This was when I was a child, I didn’t understand it at the time but my quality of life drastically changed from it. Luckily I don’t gamble because of this, but all the ads for sports betting piss me off because I am always tempted to try.
Damn so cool you were able to stop. Seriously that’s awesome. I have a few family members that have had drinking problems for years but they don’t seem to care to change. Even when their mom, their siblings, and even their nieces/nephews ask them to stop because it hurts the family. It’s disappointing. You’re doing amazing, not just for your family or friends but to just help yourself and be a stronger person. 👏🏼👏🏼
hey guys alcoholics exist lets close all the bars lmao, your fathers lack of self control shouldn't burden others he was clearly a scumbag exposing you to that but that doesn't make it bad plenty of people gamble in moderation.
twitch streamers directly funnel there underage fans to there OF even ludwig and QT advertised fansly to there underage audience during the streamer awards they did lmao, you cant judg the whole site cause of one stupid person porn IS against TOS on kick obviously they were just new then, whats lud and QT's excuse? also lud has done HUGE poker events on stream to his kid audience face it your just a hypocrite
@@demetriam2408 OH NO YOU CANT CONTROL PEOPLES SPEECH OH THE HUMANITY, please get over yourselves you have no right to control peoples speech due to your subjective feelings get a grip
@@imalittletoxicjustalittle good luck then. Hey, why don't you make a bomb threat to the capital? Let's see how free your speech is then. Also, private companies are held responsible when these things happen, you do not have freedom of speech. If kick suddenly has people putting CP on it, it will be shut down.
@@spheresartis1782ro do you know what an opinion is (This is a joke by the way. I just think it’s kinda funny you’re grammar policing this poor person)
I don’t understand how you could argue that Twitch is promoting Amazon when Amazon is such a household corporation. Like if you’re only incentivized to buy Amazon prime because of twitch, kudos to you, but I don’t think that’s the average person. Twitch doesn’t introduce you to Amazon, but kick introduces you to gambling.
True, i've always heard streamers remind their audience to not let their free sub from amazon prime go to waste. The twitch sub was never why ppl got prime.
The concept that being owned by amazon is comparable to indoctrinating children into gambling is so wild to me. Two things can be bad without being comparable.
Great video Nick! I’m so tired of people using the concept of there being “no ethical consumption under capitalism” to say nothing matters and/or fully justify bad behavior.
The worst part is that this entire debate is being publicized at the expense of Pokimane, who literally only said “Moving to kick would compromise my morals and doing that for money is cringe to me” (paraphrased). She never said she thinks twitch is good. It just doesn’t happen to compromise her morals. And she never wanted to debate it. She simply said that she is going to act based on her personal opinion and is now getting dogged on by major content creators for a thing that literally everybody does all the time and isn’t even bad to do. Like this Twitch v Kick debate is a valid one to have and probably needs to be had but that fact that most people putting forward an argument into it do it to critique Pokimane and not just to critique either twitch or kick or both is really unfair to her. And most of the flak she’s getting not only unfairly criticizes her but draws a conclusion that the argument doesn’t even prove: the she’s insecure, exploitative, or childish when really their arguments would actually just conclude that she’s wrong in their opinion. I’m not a fan of Pokimane. First time I heard about her was about her apology video for saying the n word and then through offlinetv, so I def am always very happy to be critical of something she says if it’s actually bad. And this is def nothing to be critical of her for.
Like I have an opinion about this, Nick has an opinion about it, MoistC, Ryan Beard, xQc, and even Pokimane all have an opinion about it. But the only person being attacked purely for having the opinion and not for the arguments she makes for said opinion is Pokimane, since she never argues her opinion to begin with. Having an opinion in and of itself shouldn’t be this damming unless it’s rooted in bigotry. It says a lot I think, and I’m not ruling out the possibility of there being an element of misogyny in this.
exactly so she called EVRYONE over there immoral lmao, she also goes after peoples sponsors and copyright strikes people for no reason the idea people dont like her for nothing is delusional
@@imalittletoxicjustalittle no not really,she literally just said that she wont move to twitch bc its run by peoples addiction. i dont think she was calling the people streaming on that site “immoral”
I don’t think this is a big change for him really, he’s always been an ‘enlightened centrist’ type. It’s easy to dunk on obvious crazies like sneako, but when faced with topics requiring some actual nuance he misses the mark.
After Charlie said Idubbz didn't need to apologise for encouraging his young audience to use slurs it kinda shows to never take him seriously even if he's right on something.
the people talking about twitch being related to amazon should also be mad about people getting sponsors/promotions for temu, better help, factor/hello fresh. they’re all unethical and bad but at least it’s not promoting a gateway to addiction. they can’t just pick and chose
Exactly the same people who use the "Well twitch is connected to Amazon" gateway forget that literally everything they do is connected to capitalism and consumerism, I hate the way capitalism is set and how it uses us, but I hate the fact that gambling is a thing that will suck the life outta people include their money or saving and introducing children to that by having ther favorite streamer is shitty.
I am mad about it thanks for mentioning those other unethical companies, i'm angry and upset at every companies abuse of power like the site your using funds abusers to monitize their childrens lives to immense profit and success
@@gaiaallseeingeye I'm not sure about the others, but betterhelp is an INSANELY shady company (no pun intended) there's a lot to it, so i recommend you Google it bc it'd be hard for me to list all their shit off the top of my head. if i were a youtuber, i would never advertise for better help
I really like how your channel has developed. You’ve seemed to have found your niche in the commentary space. Of course my opinion doesn’t matter, because this is your channel, but I just wanted to say that I’m glad you seem happier with your content. Thanks for all of your videos!
so many angry men shit on pokimane for absolutely no reason but because she's an attractive woman with a platform. xqc has a close fanbase and its clear that his fans cannot handle criticism against him LMFAOO
The difference is that Amazon is an already existent corporate body whereas Kick is trying to eatablish itself in the wake of a Twitch purge. Exisiting streamers on Twitch, especially those with larger followings, could theoretically keep leveragin their capital to keep pushing for better standards with regard to consumer practices. Whereas Kick is an immediate & reactionary attempt to circumvent lost channels of revenue. The false equivalency between the two is absurd because it misrepresents what ethics means. Both are unethical. But it is possible to criticize, harangue, and challenge the growth of another monstrosity predating on audiences in the immediate. Instead of signing these contracts for their own bank accounts - these prominent streamers should keep putting pressure via contract negotiatons on Twitch to keep undermining its monopolizing of the space.
saw his opinion and it was literally the same lame centralist take as him telling idubbbz that him saying slurs was just edgy and didn't need an apology.
i am so freaking over charlie. the man has not had a good take since he called sneako out over cuties, and even that felt like a one in a million. he is SO INTENT on being a centrist that he cannot see when things are actually, morally, objectively wrong unless it’s already the public opinion. it feels like he doesn’t have a backbone anymore, and hasn’t for a while. i’m over him
i think any company trying to be "cool" is so incredibly dangerous because while the streamers will probably think they are this cool new website, the safety of viewers completely falls away. streaming p*rn websites and gambling to a young audience is so dangerous and just straight up weird. thanks for covering this topic, i honestly hadn’t even heard about it but very glad i have now!
@@ascendednightingale2456 its giving "oh i'm neutral on everything because it didn't affect me" "oh i don't do politics lol it didn't affect my life" "people are dying? Welp i see both sides so"
@@ascendednightingale2456 Sometimes there isn’t anything wrong with being in the middle, but there are quite a few topics where you should not be in the middle on.
@@ascendednightingale2456 it's called being spineless. Too afraid of not pleasing everyone so you try to pander to everyone's political views. Choose-your-own-adventure politics, which reminds me a lot of Boogie2988. Now that I think about it, Charlie is basically just glorified Boogie2988
Quite cringe to just saying "OMG MISOGYNY EW" when she's quite clearly in the wrong. KICK and Twitch are the same just different colours. both promote gambling, both have dodgy streamers, both have a agenda they push with KICK being more right-wing and Twitch being more Left-wing and both have scummy shareholders they need to please which is why KICK is mostly gambling and Twitch is mainly "GET AMAZON PRIME SO YOU DON'T NEED TO SEE THESE 14 ADS A HOUR!" Also Poki would 110% get the same hate if she was a man... Hasan literally has the same hate so that take is as useful as a wet piece of toilet paper.
Agreed. People are extremely quick to jump on the hating train for anything that is done by a woman streamer, especially Pokimane. I don't watch streamers and I've never watched Pokimane, but I've always noticed the constant misogyny and sexualisation directed towards her. It's disgusting
@@ShaquilleOatmeal849 what i’ve noticed often is that if hasan said this, people would respond with “wow hasan sucks.” But when poki says it, the sentiment becomes “wow women suck.” Obviously not everyone generalizes like this but a lot of the time incels attribute her bad takes to her being a woman rather than her as a person.
@@ShaquilleOatmeal849 it has nothing to do with the fact that people disagree with her. It has more to do with the anger and aggression that she is met with every time she shares her opinion ... I just don't think saying "no I'm good ... Not really into the stuff that site supports" should've been met with that type of reaction from the internet. THATS where I see misogyny ... Also unless you are a woman I wouldn't comment on issues regarding misogyny because quite frankly you wouldn't know ...
Firstly her opinion wasn't as simple as "Personally KICK agree with things don't agree with" She literally tried to guilt trip XQC into thinking his deal was a bad thing and his morals are in the wrong place. Which is why people attack her as she came off jealous ESPECIALLY as when she was first asked about it her words where "to be honest.. I don't really care that much". She was also extremely narcissistic the whole debate with Xqc asking her a simple question like "do you know what liquidity is?" and her response was "Of course I know what liquidity is... I run 2 businesses so I think I'd know" Now of course as a man I can't physically relate to woman's struggles or misogyny and I'm not going to act dumb and pretend it doesn't happen on a daily basis because it does... I've witnessed it first hand. However, this isn't misogyny. There will be some incel losers who attack her for being a woman yes. But there opinions are useless.
My friend is addicted to online slots. Spends so much money doing it. Its crazy. He never wins but keeps playing. The time he did win he never even got the money out and ended up spending it all anyway. It's honestly really bad and i dont know how to help him. Its honestly horrifying because he knows how bad it is but will not stop.
So what you are saying is it's fine that Amazon abuse their workers and small business as long as it does not promote gambling which Kick does not. No where on the site does Stake appear once unless it's on the gambling page.
i hope there's legal action against kick by the us government. these gambling sites should be illegal, especially because it's so easy for young kids to use the site. this probably isn't going to happen but it's frankly disgusting what streamers will do to make a quick buck. they know exactly what they're promoting and don't give a shit if it ruins people's lives. i agree with pokimane on this one, twitch isn't great but kick was created specifically to sell gambling sites. also she has every right to not be comfortable as there is way less rules and regulations and that could be very dangerous to her and her audience. also all these people calling out pokimane? what about the countless streamers on kick there to promote gambling sites? we should be focusing on those douchebags.
its sooooo upsetting how everyone on the internet treats Pokimane also the amazon thing feels so stupid as if theyre promoting one of the most known companies if anything they just lose them money while its hard to say if kick/stake is losing money because of the potential new gamblers
Love Hasan telling xqc to get the bag like bro. Your an apparent socialist saying take money made via exploiting gambling addiction. I swear all of Hasan's supposed principles go out the window when he interacts with a streamer with clout or someone he likes.
The beef with pokimane is that those men genuinely feel like she thinks she’s better than them but that feeling is coming from their own insecurities lmao like yes you are beneath her for behaving like this
A few days ago,Charlie was arguing for Ludwig and against Adin that, directly subjecting ur viewers to porn is worse than promoting fansley which leads to pornographic content. In the same way,he should understand direct gambling addiction is different than promoting an abusive, human rights violating company. U CAN definitely say one is worse than other.
That to me strikes his take as much more misguided than actively malicious since he knows how to accurately make comparisons and state what’s worse than the other
Streamers aren't going to take down Amazon or Google, but they *can* prevent a less moderated, more dangerous platform from crawling its way up. It's not that major corporations aren't abhorrent, it's that it won't take legislation and years of work to make sure this problematic new website doesn't thrive.
Honestly the compartmentalization that pokimane has to have to be able to stay on the Internet when everything she does is picked apart constantly must be so intense
@@nataliearsenault2486 Alinity threw her cat and she did kick her dog that’s correct. Alsoyeah and they still get hate for it to this day. Even if they gave the same, take as Poki they still get hate for it.
I watched one of my favorite streamers sign to kick and get buddy-buddy with Adin Ross and outwardly ask for a stake deal, and now his content feels like it took a steep drop off. That alone is enough to make me prefer twitch let alone to moral implications
Anytime Charlie tries to form a thought more complex than "that cringe video was pretty cringe. Anyway, that's about it. See ya", he tends to just show how stupid and apathetic he is
I love how every time you do a video topic, you explain in an easy to understand way exactly whats going on, the backstory, and why you have your opinion on it. Many people don't offer explanations geared towards people who've never heard of the subject matter before, I think the way you go about things is what makes you such a good youtuber
My mother died because of a gambling addiction. I know from personal experience that it is one of the most destructive addictions you can have. I agree with everything you have said and am surprised that normally level headed people are coming out with such warped takes. It is streamers just trying to justify switching to kick in case they get offered a similar deal as XQC
This is an important video!Thank u for making it! I appreciate you spreading awareness about how gambling is being marketed to young people, gacha games like genshin impact and project diva are a HUGE problem as well
wait, project diva has a gambling aspect?? as in hatsune miku project diva?? genuine question i've never heard/seen recurrent micro transactions in the games
@kokopium8003 YEAH my b i meant sekai, it's the mobile game. Pretty much any game with microtransactions is designed to milk as much money from people as they can and usually it comes down to gambling- people will spend thousands of dollars on pulls. I'm saying this as someone who plays these games lol
@kokopium8003 i feel u bro, I'm a honkai enthusiast and played sekai and cookie run for a long time, but the truth must be acknowledged 😔 we can still play them and enjoy them! But being aware that they are exploitative is important because we are the people they are trying to exploit, u feel me?
@@ambrosiadreamer sorry i meant project sekai, the mobile game! they released project diva on PC for like 70$ last year but they aren't making any NEW miku games because they're making so much money off gacha, why would they bother selling something upfront when they can get people addicted to gambling with a plot attached? 🤪 (saying this as a vocaloid fan/sekai player)
Surprised you didn't talk abt xqc's stream that got shut down by kick mods bc of dmca violations. Marketing a large part of the platform based on free speech, letting people do horrible things, and then mods forcing xqc to stop streaming for watching batman. It's a slightly different issue than comparing the morals of twitch vs kick, but heavily plays into xqc's roll in going over to kick. I think kick is going to inevitably end up with very similar restrictions as twitch due to legal reasons, the only difference really is going to be gambling and the types of creators that move over. Which isn't looking great for kick so far....
Claiming that someone is just trying to be "morally superior" reeks of waaaaay more insecurity imo Poki and Hasan are already mega rich, and it's not everyone's goal to just get richer and richer and richer and throw away their morals for money that they don't need.
you definitely changed my mind on this issue. i agreed w hasan initially that competition is worth it but didnt really understand how predatory kicks business model is
Totally agree with your take. It's been insane lately seeing some of the hot takes online that have been coming out and it's always nice to see a nuanced and informed take. It's honestly crazy seeing how main stream and accepted gambling has gotten if you've ever seen how terrible and destructive gambling addiction to people.
I have a friend who was a compulsive gambler and it ruined his life - it's so insidious, many gambling addicts don't even realize they have a problem. He's better now and working hard to put his life back together. It's tough because gambling is everywhere here in Oregon. If you or someone you know is struggling with gambling addiction, any addiction, please seek help. Recovery is possible and there's a lot of people ready to help and support you! 💟
Last part really put into words what I’ve been feeling about this whole debate, it’s also so hard to have a conversation with someone who just puts PokimaneL 💀
I am surprised that Charlie defended Kick considering how much he hates and make fun of crypto, but at the same time, this isn't the first bad take he's had this year.
It’s like he only goes off of other peoples opinions to make them happy and look good to the majority. But as soon as he can start something himself it’s different.
as much as I don't like twitch and how they run things, saying it's as bad as Kick because it's run by Amazon is such a bad argument. the fact that Kick is literally just green twitch and meant to promote gambling is just SO predatory and really dangerous, especially for young kids. it should not be that hard to pick which platform to stream on coming from a moral standpoint.
28:05 now that was the point that hadn’t been touched on. also why twitch won’t adjust from their 50/50 split that a majority of their monetized creators are currently eligible for.
I never watch this poki girl but judging from situation, she could literally say anything like : "i don't eat sugar/sweet drinks a lot because its bad for *my personal* health" And ofc those hateful people would hate her so hard and defend diabetes instead
It also hard I think for some people to understand that a streamer getting paid to promote gambling would likely not get the same addictive feeling of trying to make their money back that an average person would since it wasn’t there money. For them it’s an ad and work. They can just plan to spend only what they were given especially because they know the game is rigged in their favor only to that point.
As for morals sake I think more than the gambling promotion on kick they simply don’t ban people who have nazis on their stream ya know what I’m saying ? Like that’s where the values are absolutely not aligning. I can not watch gambling and not stream it but no moderation amongst the entire platform is not for me.
23:00 yeah!!! literally like they both advertise certain websites but OBVIOUSLY you’re getting physical products from sellers as opposed to basically paying for a gambling addiction, that’s the difference! i don’t get how people think there’s no difference!
This is only my second video of yours that I'm watching after being recommended one and I'm subscribing. I appreciate how fact-based and unbiased you seem. Very good work!
i definetly agree with your opinion, both amazon and stake suck but ultimately stake is ruining people’s lives putting them in debt and stuff. i don’t know why we have to call them equal, i don’t know why this is such a big debate. idk some of this stuff is just crazy to me
thank u for always having well thought out opinions and thank u for posting them. i feel like im being educated, rather than being forced to have a certain opinion when i watch other commentary youtubers.
I was on hasans stream when the news article came out, he was literally happy for x and celebrating and people were already tryna say he was jealous in chat lmaoooo it’s so annoying how everything turns into dumb drama
genuinely great video!! i love how articulated (is that the right term sorry english is not my first language haha) you are & explained everything in a digestible manner for everyone to understand. we share 100% the same insights on the topic (and i’m sure others do too) and i’m really glad someone that has a big platform like you is using it in advocating for good/for everyone’s betterment :)
pokimane even said "to me personally" so that it was clear she wasn't shading anyone in particular who moved to kick. people are just mad at her for being successful because she's a pretty woman, and they always will be
Make more videos like this! I enjoy hearing about things on the internet that I don't have time to look into. You give great perspective and all of the needed background to understand the situation and form an opinion.
It’s awfully convenient that you’re _so_ against gambling online, but yet ever since you went on someone’s stream, I am now addicted to watching Nickisnotgreen. Stop feeding my addiction, Nick! When are you going to set up a support group? 😝
Thank you guys for all the love on the videos lately... anyways go to www.casetify.com/greenisnotnick today to save 15% off your order! DO IT. NOW. or don't!
Thanks for your thoughts on this. Nice to hear a more nuanced take. Obviously Amazon is questionable in many ways but Kick is specifically intended to circumvent gambling rules, and funnel 'casual' viewers into gambling. Hard not to see that as more harmful, at least in the short term.
hi at 14:36 you accidentally typed /nickisnotgreen instead of /greenisnotnick , just letting yk
your shirt is very nice
don’t gamble you guys!
I would if they had my phone. They only have te S series for Samsung. But I love you sir and I hope you are well this day. 🥰
As someone who comes from a gambling addicted family, and just family that’s just prone to addiction, I think kick’s set up is kinda slimy and underhanded. It just sounds very meticulously set up to trap children, teens, and adults to a life of debt and addiction just so they can profit…just icky😕
@@LittleYokiI'm literally a diagnosed alcoholic. Those are not the same at all.
Imagine if Smirnoff was sponsoring kids events and entertainment? That's not the same as just having a wine aisle.
@@LittleYoki grocery stores also don’t let children buy alcohol….I don’t really understand your agreement. The biggest thing here is exposing children and teens to that life crushing addiction. I honestly wouldn’t give two shits if they had stronger age restrictions and rules in place. Game like format helps draw in children thinking it’s literally a fun game. I don’t see alcohol companies BLATANTLY advertise to children😒
@@LittleYokibro thought he ate💀
@@LittleYokias an ex-alcoholic i understand where you coming from, but difference is that Kick is marketing this all to children via content creators. No one was selling us drinking in kids shows when we were young...
@@mightymeatymech My issue with this whole argument is that 5000 viewers watch gambling streams while at least 20k people watch gambling streams on Twitch also less than 5 percent of kick watches gambling streams and while that is definitely more that twitch's percentage its still a small percentage also i just looked up these stats
Pokimane could literally tell people that murder is bad and you shouldnt hurt kids, and these people would call her cringe and a horrible person.
I mean pokimane is controversial to many people
@mypooisbloodredandithurts214 yeah! She's done plenty of bad things but at this point people just hate her no matter what.
@@Frankensteinisnearsomeone being controversial doesn't mean that people should hate on every single thing they say
smh "murder is bad" VIRTUE SIGNALLING
@@MegaLpso yeah I agree
The rabid hatred that streamer women get for having opinions is insane n i’m so fuckin tired of it.
seriously, i feel like women who stream have to constantly put up with so much bull from their own CO workers and peers AND fans/haters, all of whom show how entrenched misogyny is baked into their skin
The streaming space has always been terrible for women, but god I feel like it gets worse every year (side eye LSF and twitter)
When you realize majority of twitch watcher is lonely momma's boy, the resentment rowards women now make sense
People for some reason are just threatened by women in general especially if they are pretty and have a basic personality (they are nice by nature) it's just bizarre and pathetic.
Specially Poki, girl inhales literal air and upsets people for no reason. She really got called “insecure” for having better morals than rich cash grabbers.
Start a streaming service called Nick where you gamble Nick coins and exclusively funnel people to your definitely not partner company Nake.
Imma steal that idea
@@NickNishikiyamawhat have I done
you’re on to something with this one…
@@yurinoworryyou're a genius is what you are
where do i sign this petition
People saying “oh, but you can’t criticize kick while streaming on twitch” is giving very “oh, you criticize capitalism while on iPhone haha gottem” vibes, and I hate both of them equally and both are horrible arguments as to why things can’t be criticized.
can't as in cannot? Thats like the opposite of what you're supposed to take from that. They're BOTH EQUALLY awful when they aren't at all. You're not supposed to stop critiquing capitalism because both options are awful and in someones mind EQUALLY bad. You're supposed to be critically thinking about either decision. Capitalism leaves us ALL with dilemmas like this where there is no ONE solution as BOTH options are equally HORRID. The criticism is supposed to help you decide for yourself "What am i ok with?" not as a rhetorical thought question so as to excuse myself from applying precise and proper criticisms.
@@XBADNDNX ….that’s….that was my point???
Edit: to clarify, I’m saying people say that whole “gottem” thing to silence others when they critique something while participating in what they (the critique-er) perceive as the lesser of two evils.
People like that argue that you can’t both say something is bad while participating in something similar…which is what I was saying I didn’t like. You should be able to participate in things while _also_ saying and acknowledging and pointing out how it and similar things are bad, but knowing that there is no better form.
Being a person in society should not null-and-void your argument on why and how society is flawed, and thinking on how it could be fixed or bettered.
@@KatBambithere are better solutions but it deals with dismantling capitalism and establishing socialism. Even then, just to use the system to benefit the people than those higher up the ladder.
Oh my god yess, its like you are in a boat in the middle of ocean nowhere else to go, and the boat is broken.
Then we said/criticize "this boat suck we need to fix this" and then this prick said "ugh how abt you jump if you hate this boat huh"
@@KatBambi "Being a person in society"
Supporting a capitalist company (such as apple) is not "being a person in society".
If you hate kick but support twitch, you are indeed a hypocrite
Now, you said you hate twitch as well, which means the above doesn't apply to you. But why are you mad at people making the above argument?
I just can't believe all this came from Pokimane honestly answering a question. She was asked if she would move, and she said no and gave a reason. Now suddenly shes trying to push an agenda and has an alterior motive? SHE ANSWERED A FUCKING QUESTION SHE WAS ASKED! God forbid women do anything smh
I know right! I what thinking what wrong with what said. Did not make any sense why Charlie talked negatively about her answering someone’s question. I would not move to Kick. It’s dirty gambling.
I think if you make a statement you are allowed to be criticized. However, I think the moral discussion is interesting but you are totally right. I'm way more interested in why people are attacking her personally for an actually good discussion on ethics and morals. It's weird how when a fem person is very direct with their views people have problems.
@@soggyfroggy22I already KNOW if Charlie had a “hot take” (which he normally does) he wouldn’t even be half as criticized as poki or any other fem streamer.
yeah, I don't watch pokimane but I'm generally inclined to take her side if only because every time I've seen people get mad at her it's for some nonsense that makes them sound like misogynistic clowns. Maybe she has done bad things, I don't know, I just know people get upset at her when she does literally nothing wrong
@@verdrin7107 Its honestly just because they are misogynistic clowns, looking for any reason to get over-the-top mad at a girl who has a lot of money and fame. Because they want to seem superior to her, or drag her down into the mud with them. Sad reality, but not one we haven't seen before.
3:29 i’m just now realizing that Kick is not the same as Kik 😭 i thought everyone was talking about Kik this whole time
dude same this comment is what made me realize 💀
Such a poor name choice
Theyre equally as bad 😭
It doesn't help that their logos are basically identical too
ur gonna give me flashbacks if u keep talking about kik
both services suck, but personally i find kick much more harmful. i think anyone hating on pokimane and others for simply giving an opinion are just incredibly immature.
but Poki attacks first, even Asmon is also sure that Poki thinks people who stream on Kick have lower morale. do they have no right to defend themselves?
@@kuekeju2300i mean they do have low morale
@kuekeju2300 dude are you delusional? All she said was that she wouldn't compromise her morals. You need to touch grass.
@@kuekeju2300their defense “YOURE JUST INSECURE. YOURE A CRINGE KAREN. DONT CALL ME A BAD PERSON FOR CHOOSING MONEY OVER MORALS”
@kuekeju2300 Yeah, taking money to attract vulnerable fans into gambling which results in their lives being ruined or worse is just morally wrong.
Pokimane is right
Gambling is only so hugely profitable because it preys on people with neurodivergences or mental health disorders. To support it is basically killing those people (and yes, many of them do end up taking their lives).
Having Adin Ross as your poster boy is everything you need to know about Kick
Yeah I don’t think marketing your website as a free speech website was the best idea because it’s been where most trans/homophobic right wing content creators go
I felt right away that it would definitely make some streamers look the other way
I think they'll try and make xqc the poster boy instead
@@rawtoast3466Pick your poison
I like Mutahar’s take on this whole thing, both these streaming platforms are ran by awful companies. Trying to take a moral high ground is just dumb. As for Adin he should get off the internet in general he’s nothing but a clown.
Yep
I will say being owned by Amazon vs actively promoting gambling is not exactly an even comparison for folks to hinge the debate on. One is certainly more direct and in the control of the service than the other.
I think something that people defending Kick forget is that Twitch was initially made as an honest normal live streaming site while Kick was made exclusively to allow and promote gambling. the intentions are entirely different and that's enough to make Kick morally worse
@@johnjsonexactly, also for being "nunaced" they themselves are not being nuanced at all. If we have to choose the greater devil its obviously KICK doesn't mean Twitch is better than it.
Also why are we acting like twitch is the number one place where people learn about amazon? Not only do most people already know it, but for sure it's mostly known through people recommending it to eachother and advertisment and shit
I mean Stake is illegal gambling, and Stake as well as kick are literally illegal in countries in the EU. Like WHOLE ASS COUNTRIES SAID NO. To my knowledge this is not the case with Amazon that ALONE makes the case.
right theres a huge difference and anyone trying to equate them is either a) virtue signaling, or b) shilling for kick
i cannot express how well your opinion was explained. i held the opinion, before watching the whole video, that streaming on kick is worse than streaming on twitch but i could not fully express why. the point of amazon already being so mind-blowingly popular is so important. everyone is already aware of amazon and their terrible practices. but for kick, most people have no idea what stake is and kick provides active promotion of a shitty company that now has the opportunity to become more popular and wreak more havoc.
that's just one side of the coin. Twitch still promotes gambling, along with softcore pornography. Pokimane can't be bitter towards Kick streamers when the site she uses does the same exact thing. There are cryptoslots and many more on twitch. But people conveniently gloss over that.
@@laphonzhe didn't gloss over that. He explained that kick has the illegal gambling up front and center, where twitch doesn't. You can go on a chess stream and multiple recommended streams are gambling right there on stake. It's in the top 3 categories. It's not even close to that on twitch. I think Nick said it was like #21.
@@lizzyblitz07yep this is how i was feeling too
@@laphonzut it's still not fullblown gambing Or p0rnography... It's worse than Twitch in a sense and idk why you should send hate to anyone for pointing out the facts
I also feel like the argument that stake causes a very bad addiction, which per Nick have the highest suicide rate, where as Amazon just provides a webshop for buying shit is kinda important. I know Amazon still has very bad practices, but they definitely don't cause major life-ruining addictions which to me is a very different ballgame 🤷🏼♀️
Charlie's argument is flawed. You can easily turn that around on him with "Twitch directly advertising Amazon shows transparency while Kick 'hiding' their relation to Stake shows how sketchy the platform/company is"
i don't think the point he is making is about being transparent with the relation, but who is directly advertising X to the viewers. he says stake is not being advertised outside of the gambling section, while amazon is advertised everywhere in twitch. correct me if i'm wrong, tho.
yeah, everyone arguing that 'why are you talking about kick when twitch is actually worse" are using the logcial fallacy of relative privation. they wouldnt need to use fallacies in their arguments if they had a valid argument
@@dabordietrying not even arguing about your conclusion, but this is just straight up not relative privation. If you believe kick is worse and he believes twitch is worse are you both guilty of relative privation?
No, neither side has appealed to that fallacy. Simply two sides arguing about which thing is worse.
@@throyald no. the argument was about wether or not kick was bad, not wether or not it was worse than twitch. thats when people came and used the relative privation fallacy to argue
@@dabordietrying I don’t think you know what the fallacy is. Which i shouldn’t be upset about, because there are children starving in Africa.
^that is relative privation.
Him saying “it’s hypocritical to criticize one while utilizing another when they’re both bad” is not an example.
In this context, it would be relative privation if he said “it doesn’t matter that kick is bad, because Amazon is bad” which isn’t what he said in those tweets.
Again, I don’t agree with Charlie even and m I’m not even trying to demean you, just trying to point out that his argument is perhaps flawed in other ways because this isn’t quite an example of that fallacy. This would be more like false equivalence fallacy imo, although I wouldn’t think it’s QUITE that either
Since MoistCritical's garbage take about Idubbz I really don't care about his opinions, lol. Seems like yet again he tries to find nuance where there wasn't a need for him to weigh in at all.
But your opinion of him is needed?
@neither4741 thank you! Kind of you to say :)
@@Cid_Here But was your question needed?
I don't like him at all. Muhkitty also exposed his hypocrisy, but she got drowned out by his fanboys
@@laphonzto be fair, she DID lie about him, his takes may be bad, but he had every right to drown her ass.
I can't understand how Charlie is always so close to having a normal take but the enlightened centrist always comes out and makes him look so stupid
Never trust his takes ever since he said Iron Lung is a bad game
Nothing centrist about this...
Also some issues can't just have "nuance". Some takes are just bad... There's no need to defend them or advocate for it. Then again there are some issues that do need nuance and almost most don't especially if those issues are actively harming people.
Literally especially after that idubbbz thing 🫤
I used to watch him until I started realizing how many of his takes are shitty and just not nuanced enough. His arguments are often just so one-sided.
im surprised xQc was able to form a coherent sentence, but not surprised he went to suck on the toes of a gambling site
This mental image caused me physical pain lol
Sucking on the toes? 100 million is like picking the junk out from underneath the toenails- then giving it a sniff before eating it. Then doing a slobber job between and around the toes itself
Yeh. Too bad the coherent sentence was “I got called a bad person so I’m gonna throw out an accusation like ‘insecure’”
My guy you would not turn down $100 mil. Pokimane is a bitter little bxtch cuz they didn't offer her shit lmfao
You pokimane stans are literal children and the internet hates you.
So it's basically "No ethical consumption under capitalism" vs pyramid-shaped gambling addiction scheme, and people are still debating? Ok...
I think both are bad but pokimane was just talking about herself personally not anyone else. If she moved to kick everyone would be calling he a hypocrite… she just said the obvious.
Right and the fact the kick streamers immediately got super defensive shows something
Well said, that's what I can't understand, is why people are so offended by what she said. She didn't attack anyone, all she said was she PERSONALLY was good where she was and didn't want to compromise her PERSONAL morals or ethics. Like how anyone took that and went "she's calling me out" is kind of wild, and pretty telling that Kick streamers immediately became so defensive.
@@hnichole she's a woman thats why
@@cheeryberrie 7Literally. God forbid a female streamer has the smallest of opinions lmao
lmao she basically said it was bad and immoral, even told rae to not congratulate XQC publicly cause of it, have you even watched what you are talking about?
I don't think it's a secret that some gamers hate women, but criticizing her for being "mean, bitter, unpleasant" while the worst thing he can accuse her of is being critical of something is so telling. She doesn't owe it to him to just bat her eyelashes and say "okay!" every time she speaks. She was not being bitter; she does not owe constant sweetness to anyone.
She literally just answered a question and said "No, I'm fine where I am right now and don't need to move." That's literally all she did 😭😭😭
I think the whole idea is that kick is marketed not only as a place for gambling, but in general loose guidelines for content creators. Well, what do people always complain about on twitch? Not being able to be edgy and say slurs, so kick ends up being a site for people who embody racist, homophobic, etc beliefs.
they complain of shitty administration and rightfully so
Exactly - aside from they're affiliation to gambling, it's existence came from the strict guidelines of twitch.
Exactly. People like Sneako and Adin Ross are the people on that site.
It's as bad as rumble, first video I saw on that site was a transphobic ass in clown makeup.
@@mcrodosn yep, and whether nick meant to, or other people are meaning to, i feel as though that’s extremely overlooked and important. situations like these especially have more nuance than people are always willing to recognize
Yup. Dan Olsen talked about this phenomenon in his video "VidMe- Why Platforms Arent Your Friends." If you market yourself in opposition to the more popular platform, you will often end up with the people who are too toxic for that platform.
People have an issue if Pokimane breathes too loudly....the amount of people that spend their time hate watching is incredible. And then worship XQC of all people??? LMAOOO...I cant imagine being a more embarrassing person. Kick is worse just for what it pushes. We can disconnect Amazon from Twitch. The main goal of Twitch isnt for people to get on Amazon but Kick..? Poor take on Charlies part
I agree
Huh? What do you call the Twitch prime program its literally encouraging people to use Amazon for a benefit on Twitch
@@bishopwittenmyer5319 No one is going to buy an Amazon Prime membership purely to watch Twitch. Prime is $15/month. You can sub for $5 without ever interacting with Amazon. It doesn't encourage people to use Amazon. It encourages Amazon users to use Twitch. Use your brain.
I don’t think you understand that Poki won’t be the only one who would get shit on if she had the same take. Look at alintiy or sssniperwolf
@@DCDragon Wow two more woman streamers, BIG surprise....Obviously theyre getting the same amount of hate....they all have something in common that would make them be the target of countless men...But thank you for the examples?
i wont name names but thank you for saying your mind and not sugarcoating/being a centrist on topics like other youtubers ik. it’s very refreshing to see!
its ok u can say charlie
@@georgenoodles1387 i have others in mind too but yeah 💀
Not only are these videos like oddly comforting, like an older sibling explaining something you missed cause you’re a kid, but also Nick totally has helped me better articulate my opinions like he does
this is so nice 😭😭🥹😸i appreciate this commebt
this has nothing to do with anything in the video or in your comment but i love your profile pic, that kitty is so cuteee
lmao no you just copied his stance cause thats all you lot do, go with whatever the group think is in your ideology
@@imalittletoxicjustalittle wow you seem upset, had a bad day? Decided you needed to let off some steam so you replied to a stranger’s comment that rubbed you the wrong way? It’s fine but let’s not pretend you know shit about me or lump me into some group you’ve made up in your head
Edit: trigger warning: someone in the comments wants to invalidate people with actual addictions. Just saying!
I know it can be harmful to read or hear that stuff. Remember your experiences matter and you aren’t your faults. Stay strong friends 🌸
•As someone who’s biological father gambled any child care money received and even let me play the apps with him, thank you for this.
He was and is still do this day heavily addicted to gambling. My mother said he got better after they divorced but soon discovered a gambling app over the computer. That turned into playing in just the palm of his hand and truthfully, the man never stood a chance.
I’m nineteen now so I can look back and understand why he didn’t buy me clothes or go to the grocery store or why the furniture looked as if he found it in the dump (he did). And I used to be angrier until I dealt with my own addiction and then I understood.
I’m just lucky I was addicted to alcohol and drugs- and couldn’t just go on my phone while I was quitting.
I worry so much for the generation growing up with all this input 24/7. It was hard for me figuring out my own person and I just had to deal with snap and insta. These poor kids man. Good luck to anyone struggling I’ve been clean for almost 4yrs. And I still struggle with not letting those impulses get to me.
You’re a strong person
My father got addicted to the casino and threw away my parents life savings of over 500k. This was when I was a child, I didn’t understand it at the time but my quality of life drastically changed from it. Luckily I don’t gamble because of this, but all the ads for sports betting piss me off because I am always tempted to try.
Damn so cool you were able to stop. Seriously that’s awesome. I have a few family members that have had drinking problems for years but they don’t seem to care to change. Even when their mom, their siblings, and even their nieces/nephews ask them to stop because it hurts the family. It’s disappointing. You’re doing amazing, not just for your family or friends but to just help yourself and be a stronger person. 👏🏼👏🏼
@@madchencraig5395 thank you for this ❤️
hey guys alcoholics exist lets close all the bars lmao, your fathers lack of self control shouldn't burden others he was clearly a scumbag exposing you to that but that doesn't make it bad plenty of people gamble in moderation.
Imagine defending a site where people have steamed porn to a bunch of kids and helps get them addicted to gambling. That shit crazy.
Twitch has also done that. Less to do with the site and the people on it
@@michaelhillier6178except Kick has specifically advertised itself as being censorless.
twitch streamers directly funnel there underage fans to there OF even ludwig and QT advertised fansly to there underage audience during the streamer awards they did lmao, you cant judg the whole site cause of one stupid person porn IS against TOS on kick obviously they were just new then, whats lud and QT's excuse? also lud has done HUGE poker events on stream to his kid audience
face it your just a hypocrite
@@demetriam2408 OH NO YOU CANT CONTROL PEOPLES SPEECH OH THE HUMANITY, please get over yourselves you have no right to control peoples speech due to your subjective feelings get a grip
@@imalittletoxicjustalittle good luck then. Hey, why don't you make a bomb threat to the capital? Let's see how free your speech is then.
Also, private companies are held responsible when these things happen, you do not have freedom of speech. If kick suddenly has people putting CP on it, it will be shut down.
W nick take I feel like so many people are always scared to go against anything Charlie says 😭
agreed!! He’s been having some bad takes recently too. I hated his videos on idubbbz’s apology. I unsubed from Charlie after that.
@@zestyrat4usame
@@zestyrat4uGod, his take in that situation was awful. I’m glad I unsubbed after that.
@@stonks3507 It was awful to you..not awful in itself.
@@spheresartis1782ro do you know what an opinion is (This is a joke by the way. I just think it’s kinda funny you’re grammar policing this poor person)
I don’t understand how you could argue that Twitch is promoting Amazon when Amazon is such a household corporation. Like if you’re only incentivized to buy Amazon prime because of twitch, kudos to you, but I don’t think that’s the average person. Twitch doesn’t introduce you to Amazon, but kick introduces you to gambling.
True, i've always heard streamers remind their audience to not let their free sub from amazon prime go to waste. The twitch sub was never why ppl got prime.
i’m so glad i’ve found this guy recently cuz without him i wouldnt know a single thing that’s going on in this world 😭💀
The concept that being owned by amazon is comparable to indoctrinating children into gambling is so wild to me. Two things can be bad without being comparable.
Great video Nick! I’m so tired of people using the concept of there being “no ethical consumption under capitalism” to say nothing matters and/or fully justify bad behavior.
The worst part is that this entire debate is being publicized at the expense of Pokimane, who literally only said “Moving to kick would compromise my morals and doing that for money is cringe to me” (paraphrased). She never said she thinks twitch is good. It just doesn’t happen to compromise her morals. And she never wanted to debate it. She simply said that she is going to act based on her personal opinion and is now getting dogged on by major content creators for a thing that literally everybody does all the time and isn’t even bad to do. Like this Twitch v Kick debate is a valid one to have and probably needs to be had but that fact that most people putting forward an argument into it do it to critique Pokimane and not just to critique either twitch or kick or both is really unfair to her. And most of the flak she’s getting not only unfairly criticizes her but draws a conclusion that the argument doesn’t even prove: the she’s insecure, exploitative, or childish when really their arguments would actually just conclude that she’s wrong in their opinion. I’m not a fan of Pokimane. First time I heard about her was about her apology video for saying the n word and then through offlinetv, so I def am always very happy to be critical of something she says if it’s actually bad. And this is def nothing to be critical of her for.
Like I have an opinion about this, Nick has an opinion about it, MoistC, Ryan Beard, xQc, and even Pokimane all have an opinion about it. But the only person being attacked purely for having the opinion and not for the arguments she makes for said opinion is Pokimane, since she never argues her opinion to begin with. Having an opinion in and of itself shouldn’t be this damming unless it’s rooted in bigotry. It says a lot I think, and I’m not ruling out the possibility of there being an element of misogyny in this.
incels be incel-ing. rest easy she's still gonna live lavishly, making money off of all the outrage from misogynists anyway
exactly so she called EVRYONE over there immoral lmao, she also goes after peoples sponsors and copyright strikes people for no reason the idea people dont like her for nothing is delusional
@@imalittletoxicjustalittle no not really,she literally just said that she wont move to twitch bc its run by peoples addiction. i dont think she was calling the people streaming on that site “immoral”
wtf is going on with charlie? like first his unsolicited opinion on idubbz apology and now defending a site that has gambling and nazis??? like wtf
Ik he's going off the deep end
He’s not defending kick at all. He’s just saying that you can’t call everyone who joins kick a bad person
He wasn't "defending" kick. He said he thinks it is bad, but he argued that it is just as bad as amazon, when kick is objectively worse.
I don’t think this is a big change for him really, he’s always been an ‘enlightened centrist’ type. It’s easy to dunk on obvious crazies like sneako, but when faced with topics requiring some actual nuance he misses the mark.
@@natef6165hard agree. it became difficult to watch him after realizing that
After Charlie said Idubbz didn't need to apologise for encouraging his young audience to use slurs it kinda shows to never take him seriously even if he's right on something.
the people talking about twitch being related to amazon should also be mad about people getting sponsors/promotions for temu, better help, factor/hello fresh. they’re all unethical and bad but at least it’s not promoting a gateway to addiction. they can’t just pick and chose
Exactly the same people who use the "Well twitch is connected to Amazon" gateway forget that literally everything they do is connected to capitalism and consumerism, I hate the way capitalism is set and how it uses us, but I hate the fact that gambling is a thing that will suck the life outta people include their money or saving and introducing children to that by having ther favorite streamer is shitty.
@@halloweeninmay6810 yep! there’s literally no ethical consumption under capitalism
I am mad about it thanks for mentioning those other unethical companies, i'm angry and upset at every companies abuse of power like the site your using funds abusers to monitize their childrens lives to immense profit and success
wait what’s wrong with factor betterhelp and hello fresh
@@gaiaallseeingeye I'm not sure about the others, but betterhelp is an INSANELY shady company (no pun intended)
there's a lot to it, so i recommend you Google it bc it'd be hard for me to list all their shit off the top of my head.
if i were a youtuber, i would never advertise for better help
I really like how your channel has developed. You’ve seemed to have found your niche in the commentary space. Of course my opinion doesn’t matter, because this is your channel, but I just wanted to say that I’m glad you seem happier with your content. Thanks for all of your videos!
thank you mr blobert 😭😭 that is so nice of you
It's nice seeing a controversy completely separated from anything i watch lol
Glad he's still not green!!!
Maybe one day 😔😔 I still have hope
im just glad hes not nick
I’m just glad green is not Nick, who knows what would happen to him if a color began to assume his identity.
He is green. That's just convincing makeup. People are so gullible... 🤦♀️
glad to see you are the boo better than this green guy
i think a big difference is that amazon doesn't promote an addiction, but stake does
Not as explicitly but yes I see your point
Bro what are YOU doing here??
@@kennalikespizza4515 ...... i could ask you the same question 🔫👁️👁️
@@starburstds2 now both of you kiss
so many angry men shit on pokimane for absolutely no reason but because she's an attractive woman with a platform. xqc has a close fanbase and its clear that his fans cannot handle criticism against him LMFAOO
Neither can xqc himself lmoa
literally its embarrassing
The difference is that Amazon is an already existent corporate body whereas Kick is trying to eatablish itself in the wake of a Twitch purge. Exisiting streamers on Twitch, especially those with larger followings, could theoretically keep leveragin their capital to keep pushing for better standards with regard to consumer practices. Whereas Kick is an immediate & reactionary attempt to circumvent lost channels of revenue. The false equivalency between the two is absurd because it misrepresents what ethics means. Both are unethical. But it is possible to criticize, harangue, and challenge the growth of another monstrosity predating on audiences in the immediate.
Instead of signing these contracts for their own bank accounts - these prominent streamers should keep putting pressure via contract negotiatons on Twitch to keep undermining its monopolizing of the space.
THISSS
I’d argue the ethics of streaming is it’s a job and something they do for fun. Having more options to do that is a good thing for both parties
Wow. Charlie being purposely obtuse to appease his rabid child fanbase is the most shocking thing about this whole discussion.
Mostly adults
He did the same fucking thing with his ass iDubbz video. He's been showing his true colours for a while
@@turboshazed7370adults that often think like children 😑
saw his opinion and it was literally the same lame centralist take as him telling idubbbz that him saying slurs was just edgy and didn't need an apology.
@@femalegaysyeah I stopped watching him after that.
i am so freaking over charlie. the man has not had a good take since he called sneako out over cuties, and even that felt like a one in a million. he is SO INTENT on being a centrist that he cannot see when things are actually, morally, objectively wrong unless it’s already the public opinion. it feels like he doesn’t have a backbone anymore, and hasn’t for a while. i’m over him
i think any company trying to be "cool" is so incredibly dangerous because while the streamers will probably think they are this cool new website, the safety of viewers completely falls away. streaming p*rn websites and gambling to a young audience is so dangerous and just straight up weird.
thanks for covering this topic, i honestly hadn’t even heard about it but very glad i have now!
moistcritikal is the literal centrist meme of, "well ACTUALLY, i see stuff wrong in both sides!" and its so insane every time
Nothing wrong with being in the middle. Only fools blindly agree with one side for everything.
@@ascendednightingale2456i mean, there’s definitely certain topics you can’t be a centrist on lol
@@ascendednightingale2456 its giving "oh i'm neutral on everything because it didn't affect me" "oh i don't do politics lol it didn't affect my life" "people are dying? Welp i see both sides so"
@@ascendednightingale2456 Sometimes there isn’t anything wrong with being in the middle, but there are quite a few topics where you should not be in the middle on.
@@ascendednightingale2456 it's called being spineless. Too afraid of not pleasing everyone so you try to pander to everyone's political views. Choose-your-own-adventure politics, which reminds me a lot of Boogie2988. Now that I think about it, Charlie is basically just glorified Boogie2988
The constant and immediate Pokimane hate feels like pure misogyny tbh :( what she said would’ve never received the attention it did if she was a man
Quite cringe to just saying "OMG MISOGYNY EW" when she's quite clearly in the wrong. KICK and Twitch are the same just different colours. both promote gambling, both have dodgy streamers, both have a agenda they push with KICK being more right-wing and Twitch being more Left-wing and both have scummy shareholders they need to please which is why KICK is mostly gambling and Twitch is mainly "GET AMAZON PRIME SO YOU DON'T NEED TO SEE THESE 14 ADS A HOUR!"
Also Poki would 110% get the same hate if she was a man... Hasan literally has the same hate so that take is as useful as a wet piece of toilet paper.
Agreed. People are extremely quick to jump on the hating train for anything that is done by a woman streamer, especially Pokimane. I don't watch streamers and I've never watched Pokimane, but I've always noticed the constant misogyny and sexualisation directed towards her. It's disgusting
@@ShaquilleOatmeal849 what i’ve noticed often is that if hasan said this, people would respond with “wow hasan sucks.” But when poki says it, the sentiment becomes “wow women suck.” Obviously not everyone generalizes like this but a lot of the time incels attribute her bad takes to her being a woman rather than her as a person.
@@ShaquilleOatmeal849 it has nothing to do with the fact that people disagree with her. It has more to do with the anger and aggression that she is met with every time she shares her opinion ... I just don't think saying "no I'm good ... Not really into the stuff that site supports" should've been met with that type of reaction from the internet. THATS where I see misogyny ... Also unless you are a woman I wouldn't comment on issues regarding misogyny because quite frankly you wouldn't know ...
Firstly her opinion wasn't as simple as "Personally KICK agree with things don't agree with" She literally tried to guilt trip XQC into thinking his deal was a bad thing and his morals are in the wrong place. Which is why people attack her as she came off jealous ESPECIALLY as when she was first asked about it her words where "to be honest.. I don't really care that much".
She was also extremely narcissistic the whole debate with Xqc asking her a simple question like "do you know what liquidity is?" and her response was "Of course I know what liquidity is... I run 2 businesses so I think I'd know"
Now of course as a man I can't physically relate to woman's struggles or misogyny and I'm not going to act dumb and pretend it doesn't happen on a daily basis because it does... I've witnessed it first hand. However, this isn't misogyny. There will be some incel losers who attack her for being a woman yes. But there opinions are useless.
No ethical consumption under capitalism but sometimes you just gotta pick the lesser of two evils to do the least harm 🤷
My friend is addicted to online slots. Spends so much money doing it. Its crazy. He never wins but keeps playing. The time he did win he never even got the money out and ended up spending it all anyway. It's honestly really bad and i dont know how to help him. Its honestly horrifying because he knows how bad it is but will not stop.
read this as “streamers wont stop arguing about nick” and was incredibly confused for a second
Well said, amazon doesn't prey on its customers it preys on its employees and every other business. Whereas stake preys directly on its customers.
This comment makes me wanna kms
So what you are saying is it's fine that Amazon abuse their workers and small business as long as it does not promote gambling which Kick does not. No where on the site does Stake appear once unless it's on the gambling page.
i hope there's legal action against kick by the us government. these gambling sites should be illegal, especially because it's so easy for young kids to use the site. this probably isn't going to happen but it's frankly disgusting what streamers will do to make a quick buck. they know exactly what they're promoting and don't give a shit if it ruins people's lives. i agree with pokimane on this one, twitch isn't great but kick was created specifically to sell gambling sites. also she has every right to not be comfortable as there is way less rules and regulations and that could be very dangerous to her and her audience.
also all these people calling out pokimane? what about the countless streamers on kick there to promote gambling sites? we should be focusing on those douchebags.
You're gonna freak when you find out about each state's gambling company
its sooooo upsetting how everyone on the internet treats Pokimane also the amazon thing feels so stupid as if theyre promoting one of the most known companies if anything they just lose them money while its hard to say if kick/stake is losing money because of the potential new gamblers
i feel like if youre taking $100 million from a company, you should probably know who the fuck they are as a company
Love Hasan telling xqc to get the bag like bro. Your an apparent socialist saying take money made via exploiting gambling addiction. I swear all of Hasan's supposed principles go out the window when he interacts with a streamer with clout or someone he likes.
He doesn't know what anything is. Super oblivious.
Who cares let’s see you turn that down
charlie has been pissing me off
Bro exactly I used to love the guy but I guess his shortness caught up to him, gnomes always end up being assholes
@@halloweeninmay6810bro wtf im short too and i disagree with him. I’m trying my best 😔
@@halloweeninmay6810robably something with the blood flow to the brain or something, idk short people problems.
@@halloweeninmay6810bizarre statement
Same, dude 🫤 I cannot believe how horrendous his recent takes have been compared to the stuff he has put out in the past…
The beef with pokimane is that those men genuinely feel like she thinks she’s better than them but that feeling is coming from their own insecurities lmao like yes you are beneath her for behaving like this
A few days ago,Charlie was arguing for Ludwig and against Adin that, directly subjecting ur viewers to porn is worse than promoting fansley which leads to pornographic content.
In the same way,he should understand direct gambling addiction is different than promoting an abusive, human rights violating company.
U CAN definitely say one is worse than other.
That to me strikes his take as much more misguided than actively malicious since he knows how to accurately make comparisons and state what’s worse than the other
Streamers aren't going to take down Amazon or Google, but they *can* prevent a less moderated, more dangerous platform from crawling its way up. It's not that major corporations aren't abhorrent, it's that it won't take legislation and years of work to make sure this problematic new website doesn't thrive.
Honestly the compartmentalization that pokimane has to have to be able to stay on the Internet when everything she does is picked apart constantly must be so intense
Right??? I feel so fucking bad for her.
Wow it’s not like Alinity or SSsniperwolf do not exist. (Sarcasm)
@@DCDragondoesnt sniperwolf steal content and Alinity kicked her dog?
@@nataliearsenault2486 Alinity threw her cat and she did kick her dog that’s correct. Alsoyeah and they still get hate for it to this day. Even if they gave the same, take as Poki they still get hate for it.
babe wake up green still isn’t nick 🗣️
😂😂
I watched one of my favorite streamers sign to kick and get buddy-buddy with Adin Ross and outwardly ask for a stake deal, and now his content feels like it took a steep drop off. That alone is enough to make me prefer twitch let alone to moral implications
who 👀👀👀
i would literally know nothing if it wasn't for these videos tbh
if true that is really bad
@@greenisnotnickwho wants to keep up with internet drama? You do the painful part for us.
@@gilbertoflores7397I love how you edited your comment and still left in the ho instead of who. I’m a little dumb and was very confused for a minute
@@Paigewe hahaha, I didn't even edit it, I added on the last sentence. 😅
Anytime Charlie tries to form a thought more complex than "that cringe video was pretty cringe. Anyway, that's about it. See ya", he tends to just show how stupid and apathetic he is
Bro chill just cuz he has different views than you doesn’t mean you have to hate him so apathetically
@@blobfishyyyyy7640🤣🤣
I read that line in his voice that's exactly how he sounds fdffdfsdhsfs
I love how every time you do a video topic, you explain in an easy to understand way exactly whats going on, the backstory, and why you have your opinion on it. Many people don't offer explanations geared towards people who've never heard of the subject matter before, I think the way you go about things is what makes you such a good youtuber
thank you so much this is so great to heat
this is so crazy... the same thing was happening in brazil too, same subject, same constroversy (casino scams)
My mother died because of a gambling addiction. I know from personal experience that it is one of the most destructive addictions you can have. I agree with everything you have said and am surprised that normally level headed people are coming out with such warped takes. It is streamers just trying to justify switching to kick in case they get offered a similar deal as XQC
Thank you for sharing your story ❤️
The difference is down to letting a kid shop at a department store vs letting them drink in a bar. One is absolutely worse for the child.
This is an important video!Thank u for making it! I appreciate you spreading awareness about how gambling is being marketed to young people, gacha games like genshin impact and project diva are a HUGE problem as well
At least like fortnite, genshin, etc are actual games with like story but yeah you can sink a lot of money into them
wait, project diva has a gambling aspect?? as in hatsune miku project diva?? genuine question i've never heard/seen recurrent micro transactions in the games
@kokopium8003 YEAH my b i meant sekai, it's the mobile game. Pretty much any game with microtransactions is designed to milk as much money from people as they can and usually it comes down to gambling- people will spend thousands of dollars on pulls. I'm saying this as someone who plays these games lol
@kokopium8003 i feel u bro, I'm a honkai enthusiast and played sekai and cookie run for a long time, but the truth must be acknowledged 😔 we can still play them and enjoy them! But being aware that they are exploitative is important because we are the people they are trying to exploit, u feel me?
@@ambrosiadreamer sorry i meant project sekai, the mobile game! they released project diva on PC for like 70$ last year but they aren't making any NEW miku games because they're making so much money off gacha, why would they bother selling something upfront when they can get people addicted to gambling with a plot attached? 🤪 (saying this as a vocaloid fan/sekai player)
I actually agree with Pokimane, Kick is so fucking fishy
Surprised you didn't talk abt xqc's stream that got shut down by kick mods bc of dmca violations. Marketing a large part of the platform based on free speech, letting people do horrible things, and then mods forcing xqc to stop streaming for watching batman. It's a slightly different issue than comparing the morals of twitch vs kick, but heavily plays into xqc's roll in going over to kick. I think kick is going to inevitably end up with very similar restrictions as twitch due to legal reasons, the only difference really is going to be gambling and the types of creators that move over. Which isn't looking great for kick so far....
how everyone instantly gangs up on pokimane after she stated her opinion is so disgusting
This analysis really shows off Nicks specialty. He is truly talented at breaking things down like this, and this is a master class at break downs.
this means a lot to me
Claiming that someone is just trying to be "morally superior" reeks of waaaaay more insecurity imo Poki and Hasan are already mega rich, and it's not everyone's goal to just get richer and richer and richer and throw away their morals for money that they don't need.
you definitely changed my mind on this issue. i agreed w hasan initially that competition is worth it but didnt really understand how predatory kicks business model is
Totally agree with your take. It's been insane lately seeing some of the hot takes online that have been coming out and it's always nice to see a nuanced and informed take. It's honestly crazy seeing how main stream and accepted gambling has gotten if you've ever seen how terrible and destructive gambling addiction to people.
I have a friend who was a compulsive gambler and it ruined his life - it's so insidious, many gambling addicts don't even realize they have a problem. He's better now and working hard to put his life back together. It's tough because gambling is everywhere here in Oregon.
If you or someone you know is struggling with gambling addiction, any addiction, please seek help. Recovery is possible and there's a lot of people ready to help and support you! 💟
Last part really put into words what I’ve been feeling about this whole debate, it’s also so hard to have a conversation with someone who just puts PokimaneL 💀
Thank god there are channels like you who truly think critically about situations
There's something extremely predatory about selling addictive things (like gambling or nicotine) and I appreciate you pointing this out.
thank god u posted i almost painted in silence
Omg I do the exact same thing •.•
Omg I’ve been sewing to his videos lol
I am surprised that Charlie defended Kick considering how much he hates and make fun of crypto, but at the same time, this isn't the first bad take he's had this year.
It’s like he only goes off of other peoples opinions to make them happy and look good to the majority. But as soon as he can start something himself it’s different.
as much as I don't like twitch and how they run things, saying it's as bad as Kick because it's run by Amazon is such a bad argument. the fact that Kick is literally just green twitch and meant to promote gambling is just SO predatory and really dangerous, especially for young kids. it should not be that hard to pick which platform to stream on coming from a moral standpoint.
28:05 now that was the point that hadn’t been touched on. also why twitch won’t adjust from their 50/50 split that a majority of their monetized creators are currently eligible for.
There's a Castify case for everyone? So, I can find one where Nick is dressed like Persephone, frolicking through a field?
I never watch this poki girl but judging from situation, she could literally say anything like : "i don't eat sugar/sweet drinks a lot because its bad for *my personal* health"
And ofc those hateful people would hate her so hard and defend diabetes instead
Oh my god I could almost hear the blow up that would occur if she said that
that shirt goes so hard
It also hard I think for some people to understand that a streamer getting paid to promote gambling would likely not get the same addictive feeling of trying to make their money back that an average person would since it wasn’t there money. For them it’s an ad and work. They can just plan to spend only what they were given especially because they know the game is rigged in their favor only to that point.
As for morals sake I think more than the gambling promotion on kick they simply don’t ban people who have nazis on their stream ya know what I’m saying ? Like that’s where the values are absolutely not aligning. I can not watch gambling and not stream it but no moderation amongst the entire platform is not for me.
23:00 yeah!!! literally like they both advertise certain websites but OBVIOUSLY you’re getting physical products from sellers as opposed to basically paying for a gambling addiction, that’s the difference! i don’t get how people think there’s no difference!
every time i see nicko wear that shirt i get more and more jealous
This is only my second video of yours that I'm watching after being recommended one and I'm subscribing. I appreciate how fact-based and unbiased you seem. Very good work!
i definetly agree with your opinion, both amazon and stake suck but ultimately stake is ruining people’s lives putting them in debt and stuff. i don’t know why we have to call them equal, i don’t know why this is such a big debate. idk some of this stuff is just crazy to me
This video is so well constructed but what i love more is the story telling because i was listening to every word
thank you very much
Another moment of Charlie having shit fly over his head and not getting the issue.
thank u for always having well thought out opinions and thank u for posting them. i feel like im being educated, rather than being forced to have a certain opinion when i watch other commentary youtubers.
I was on hasans stream when the news article came out, he was literally happy for x and celebrating and people were already tryna say he was jealous in chat lmaoooo it’s so annoying how everything turns into dumb drama
genuinely great video!! i love how articulated (is that the right term sorry english is not my first language haha) you are & explained everything in a digestible manner for everyone to understand. we share 100% the same insights on the topic (and i’m sure others do too) and i’m really glad someone that has a big platform like you is using it in advocating for good/for everyone’s betterment :)
pokimane even said "to me personally" so that it was clear she wasn't shading anyone in particular who moved to kick. people are just mad at her for being successful because she's a pretty woman, and they always will be
Make more videos like this! I enjoy hearing about things on the internet that I don't have time to look into. You give great perspective and all of the needed background to understand the situation and form an opinion.
why is every internet news story infinitely more interesting to me when nick is the one telling me about it
ive binge watched all your videos so whenever i see you post im so happy. 😭🙏🏽 im glad youre liking your commentary content. we like it too!
omg thank uu
It’s awfully convenient that you’re _so_ against gambling online, but yet ever since you went on someone’s stream, I am now addicted to watching Nickisnotgreen. Stop feeding my addiction, Nick! When are you going to set up a support group? 😝