This is so SCARY. I love your show. Patrick, would you ever make a video on the naked communist? Reagan once tried to warn our people. I am so worried they are succeeding. What can we do to help get the word out?? These kids are being taught capitalism is a bad thing. America is in serious trouble! Please respond if you can! Thank you, Brandi
I am server at a Casino....i have ideas in restaurant business...i am 62 years old...want to be rich before dying...any ideas....* excuse my english...you are very smart...
I go to college to help me advance in my personal plans which do not require a degree. Qualify for grants and pass classes equals no debt for me. The cash will run out if I decide to stay for a degree then I would owe. Not part of my plan.
@@namenotfound8747 Did you know 105.8% of statistics are made up on the spot? Don't underestimate the number, there are quite a few, and most humans have an innate desire to learn on subjects they are interested in; add that with powerful tools like the internet and you have a formula for a revolution. It's politics that have prevented the takeover of merits via virtual learning, not very different on how hard they are trying to make decentralized banking seem inferior and hiding the truth of private centralized banking controlling the economy.
@@AxemanMessiah Child's play. Humans are inclined to learn, but we all unequally capable of doing so. Simply put, autodidacts all display levels of genius. But not all geniuses are autodidacts. Without the fundamentals, you lose more then you would gain. Because the people that are self taught, are already doing it. Only look at human history to find them. Whenever humans have decided that they "knew" better, that they have figured out some ultimate truth, and forsaken the knowledge of the past, it has only ended in tragedy. The annihilation of paganism resulted in the destruction of the library of Alexandria, which had nearly all the known knowledge of that time in the region. Knowledge that would take over 1000 years to be rediscovered in the Islamic golden age. Or look at the cultural revolution of China, killed 20 million people trying to leave the knowledge of the past behind. WWII: blame Jews, Cambodian genocide: blame the educated. We could do this all day. Learn history, not prophecy.
@@namenotfound8747 Not sure if you got the message, I am saying virtualized learning can replace occupations that do not require licensure with the modern tools we have, so it is not "self-taught" but a school. Regarding your example, there as just as many examples countering it. It is not a prophecy, it's happening today..you are using it right now. ;)
@@AxemanMessiah I do not oppose virtualizing education of any kind if done right. I do oppose when people start saying we should start gutting elements out that they don't like because of convenience. I don't care if my phone knows the answer to a math question before I do, the moment society says that we don't need to learn the fundamentals of education because we have modern tools, so lets just go straight to what we "want", we lose sight of what we "need" to keep progressing forward. That kind of flawed thinking comes from people that don't know or want to know history at a deep level, and don't respect the laws of physics. New technology doesn't automatically trump or replace the old. A computer does make it easier to communicate, but if tomorrow some jackass says since we have computers, we shouldn't worry about learning to write. What's next? Let's not learn how to read? Because we have computers that do it better then we do. licensures and accreditation is there to stop stupidity, do institutions stray from there core objective, yes. But getting lazy and saying screw math, I'm a writer, what do I care? Or any other craze and delusional notion, pick your poison.
@JRRnotTolkien Tell that to the ones who suffered under Lenin and USSRcommunism bet they dont teach that truth in school on top of that some have nerve to promote openborders.
@Vinny Holiday No you lie I know the truth from my family fakejw I dont manipulate like your kind. My family been through it and many were raped,kidsmurdered,lost homes and businesses. I speak truth so does my family who went through it.
The HR Dept is the tipping point. When HR sees on online Univ/ computer boot-camp as the same weight as a brick & mortar school's diploma the terrain will change. People chose the brick & mortar school b/c they believe HR values that diploma over and online diploma.
@@markwalter4881 well they do... cue the jokes about University of Phoenix. Cue jokes about ITT. You need a bachelors to be a secretary yet this guy is saying universities are scared. Ha.
Faiz Ahmed And now it is shaped and controlled by a few technocratic oligarchs. They can choose what is approved thought or wrong think, alternative media gets put out of search results and replaced by propaganda outlets and books are even banned! Voices are secretly silenced and shadowbaned as they see fit
@@halasimov1362 Actually these big media companies rank on search results because they put in the time and energy to optimize their content to rank by getting a lot of approval from their audiences. More over, it is not like google or any other search engine has a secretive bias towards some of the news distributors, it's all fair and good.
@stanleykaffee No, most of them don't stand a better chance. Working for 10 years on 'meager wages' is better than going into $80K in debt. Ten years later they both and up at the same place but the person who didn't go to college has no debt and actually has a positive financial position while the person who went to college still has 20 years worth of debt. But you keep telling yourself that it's worth it. Go ahead; rack up as much student debt as you want. It's your life.
I am accidentally the perfect example of this... I'm a highschool dropout, but I had a love of computers, then networking. I am self taught and companies I've worked for have always provided me courses of their own product focus. I'm now about to retire in the next 12 months and have a very good salary over the years... Let you passion drive your expertise, and learn on your own...
The barrier to information is rapidly dissolving. I am making money (not that much yet) doing freelance motion graphics animation, and I am purely self-taught. The crux of my knowledge came from those 10 dollar Udemy videos and consistent, deliberate practice. This, however doesn't mean it will be smooth sailing for everyone. We live in a hyper-distracted time where you are bombarded with thousands of ads and newsfeed vying for your attention. You must have the self discipline to sit down and focus for long periods of time on whatever it is you are doing without going on an uncontrollable youtube binge spree. That's pretty much it. The power to focus and not get distracted by mundane information is the most powerful weapon you can have today.
If you are given an opportunity where you can make money and you have to learn a skill to do so, not everyone will try to learn that skill, but those that do and do it fast tend to be successful.
Apprenticeship is what I strived for, for several years. However, while applying and testing for apprenticeships at the big three in Michigan, each time I was told, either you cannot be given an application because the jobs are for women and minority's or, because you are white you must score at least 99 or 100% to even be considered. This after I was tested at 97% on skilled trades testing after being a machinist for several years. The system of apprenticeships is severely broken and I have long abandoned any hope of pursuing this!
@Mike There are thousands of companies that offer in-house training and online courses in art, programming, online marketing e.t.c at a fraction of the cost that universities charge. There is nothing unethical about that. I fail to see his point.
@Mike What is it and what does it have to with training provided by private companies that are not in academia? Do note that when I mean training, I mean online courses or books that you can buy. Seminars or webinars are not training. Those are marketing ploys to indoctrinate new people into a product or service.
Very important is to put what you lean to use. For example, have you bought a Cisco network switch to program one? Have you bought any DC Servo amplifiers to program the PID loop? Do you know the difference in incremental encoders line vs transitions, vs analog out and interpolation? Quiz, DC servo motor, with an incremental encoder of 500 lines per rotation, with analog out, connected to a 20X interpolation decoder. What is the resolution of the motor position per transition? Can you tune the PID loop for this motor, encoder, and the mass on the motor? Have you leaned how to change a BGA part? Do you own an oscilloscope? Do you own a function generator? Have you used them together to find the impedance of a microphone cable? Have you designed a PCB? Have you debugged your board when it didn't work as planned? Can you properly implement an RS-485 line to a data recorder? Do you know what DATAQ makes? Do you own one? Do you know the difference between a voltage amplifier and transconductance amplifier used in servos? In DC motors, do you know the relation between Speed, Power, Torque, to Voltage, Current, and power? Do you know what a coreless motor is? Can you program a VFD as a closed loop servo? You do not need a degree to learn all of the above. Showing your potential employer how you implement those skills is important. Last interview I was quizzed about DMM use. let them know I had a DSO, microwave tracking counter, and 3 DMMs, I was hired. Get some test equipment and know how to use it. Buy equipment and learn how to set it up. User manuals are fantastic. Creativity is important. Needed to test some magnets used with Hall sensors. Instead of buying an expensive magnetic field instrument, simply bought some very inexpensive analog hall sensors and used a new magnet for reference, and then graphed the relative strength of the failing sensors magnets. Ability to problem solve is important. Ended up building a coil to recharge magnets back to specification to match a new magnet used for reference. The hands on in college is probably not a class you would find listed. Can you use Audacity to help find the instability in your robotic servo for pick and place to troubleshoot the LPF?
@Joshua Craft II watch, practice what I learned, and compare to physics and math I self study. Psudo Science stands out when it breaks the physics of reality.
@Peter Nguyen it all depends. Can't speak for all viewers, but if that's the case many ppl are learning indeed. I'm sure u know what a tutorial is, it turns out YT has tons of those videos, you'd have to assume most observers of tutorials on YT never apply what they learn from the video(s). I wouldn't bet on that assumption.
@@isettech why do you ask? Does lacking that knowledge actually cut against their original statment, or are you leaping at the opportunity to say what you've learned which none of us asked you for? Is there greater context I'm missing or are you actually questioning someone as if they claimed to be in your field of work for no good reason?, seems odd.
@Peter Nguyen no doubt about that. Research should go beyond the scope of using just one website. As long as you're not saying ppl can't learn from YT I think we are in agreement. I never said YT was better than college, but claims like "impossible" and "professional level" seem a bit extreme. What is a "professional level of practice"? You don't get that in college either unless you apply what you've learned. If ur arguing YT doesn't train doctors etc. I get that, YT isn't shipping body parts and equipment etc. for students to practice on nor does it have an expert correcting mistakes. It also depends on the field you're learning in, you can easily check for your own mistakes via a check list, especially if the YT provides that check list. I think we are in agreement, I just interpreted the comment as though you can't learn from YT and responded accordingly.
that and race studies/africana studies are the worst, they needed to invent degrees that these dumber people could make it through. Right now most of these universities act as a indoctrination area for progressive ideas.
Women's Studies teach college women to hate men and blame men for their bad life choices instead of making them accountable. Who is going to marry a woman who took women's studies? Only a fool.
I've been in tech internships back in high school and racked up alot of certifications (which cost me $0) but when i went to college, i learned jacked poop. Prefer learning online on the internet for certifications or courses... wayyy more helpful to be honest.Overheard that universities at least cost 8k per semester. May not go there. Online courses, trades, business (etfs,stocks,mutual funds, dividends, etc.)or self taught is the way to go. Everyone with college degrees will be brought upon debt unless you know finances / business then you good.
There is many wrong information on the internet, including UA-cam. It is pleasant, but not always accurate. I spent 2years to find good answers from the internet. A specialist would have given them to me in about an hour...
Depends on what you want. If you want to become a doctor, engineer, lawyer, or other things you have to go to college. Also if you have a full scholarship then it might be worth it.
@@Real_Lion_Slayer same lol, I'm a junior on a full ride. It's a tough degree and the field is starting to get saturated. My buddies all work trades and make over 100k a year so if you just want money go to a trade school. Starting salary for an EE is only 68k. I would add that medical is a solid choice as well, its always in search of people.
Exactly you can’t say don’t go to college as a general statement it’s more what you want to do, some software engineering fields require a masters like machine learning you can not be a self taught programmer and get these jobs even if you work at the company and are proven you require theoretical knowledge and mathematics to even approach some of these subjects. Can that person take some code offline and say here this works sure but why does it work.
You'll still need a degree for medicine, nursing, civil engineering, biotech research and a few others. So basically core science related fields will need a formal degree for the foreseeable future. But software? No.
@Krishna Dwarampudi NO one is going to hire a self proclaimed person who said they learned how to do surgery online you fool. Grow a brain, science isn't taught online, science is how to overcome new and diverse challenges with reason and logic. Aka why your not a scientist.
for now...but with augmented and virtual reality on the rise, as well as citizen science, maker spaces, and community labs...the days of big lumbering universities are numbered.
The point is that every organization can take control of how their potential employees learn the necessary skills needed for the job. This is NOT tech exclusive, it's just more practical in tech industry FOR NOW!
You need a 4 year degree to be a engineer, medical doctor, scientist(this includes computer science), a brokerage license, teacher, professor, NP, registered nurse, law, etc. You learn science and advanced math in computer science, so you can become a better problem solver. Computer Science is not the same thing as a programmer, they can create a operating system, create artificial intelligence, apply advanced mathematics in programming. This man is ignorant.
@@omegamalerevelations7543 The answers have to be provided by someone. Looking up answers can be left to automationn like Siri. Answering a question takes research and cannot be automated. Those doing work do not need to be educated, they need to be obedient. Those who have to answer questions need to be educated. On another matter. While Google does do research, can they match the University system? Harvard, Yale, Boston University and so many more conduct research and are given billions each year. In addition what Google calls research I call customization. The University system produces the foundational research Google builds on. Google itself came out of University research. A university is not a karate sensi. It's a place to study not to be trained to be a worker.
BOUT FUCKING TIME! College is just a place of either brainwashed people who don’t know better or extremely passionate people who wants the genuinely learn their craft and do it as a profession (eg. Doctors, Dentist, psychologist, nutritionist, etc etc.)
Yes but there is no proof you learned that, its not accredited and employers arent gonna take chance to give you $60k/year to prove yourself, unless they are gonna pay you $36k and train you, then 5 years later you have the experience in that field to get that $60k job, but your resume will be full of junk jobs
@@bradmorgan60 Everyone is trying to get out of the rat race, but you gotta have money coming in to be financing your side-business, which means you need a job. Having a degree would give you more options to choose from and higher pay on average. I will say if you just want to tick the box of having a bachelors, you can enroll into an online accelerated, accredited college like WGU which is $3500 for 6 months and can get your bachelors in 1 year if your fast and have the freetime. Its a fully accredited degree and cheap. Its competency based, they give you all the learning material up front and you can do it as fast as you want, get that degree and check the box. Look at reviews many people are doing esspecially since COVID
Sadly Hulk the schools need to provide a general background for every potential career. Historians don't need science and vica versa. Universities are important - as you see with the pandemic. Cut them away and you get consumer driven education and no innovation.
@@rickarmbruster8788 really? So the social skills and learning systems is pointless? The basic principles of the scientific method, oxbow lakes, Pythagoras (which I use nearly everyday)? Principles of history, economics and religion? School may not be brilliant but school does teach self reliance, resilience and politics.
I learned a lot in school. Especially about critical thinking. I’m blessed. I’m thankful for my education. And I’m thankful to my parents for teaching me to be a life long learner.
I'm an American that is in my early 20's. When it was time for me to go to college I said fuck that. Mainly becuase I was only 18 and definitely did NOT know what i wanted to do for my career but knew I did not want to go 40K in debt. Instead I went to Mexico to learn Spanish and then went to Asia for a 3 month journey. It was a pretty good investment considering the experiences I had and the things I saw but I was able to do it cheap by teaching English and offering work abroad in exchange for boarding. Now I have a great job (2 years later) as a bilingual tech support at a really cool software company making better money than a lot of friends of mine that have been to college that are stuck working in a grocery store. I have never been to a day of college in my life. Don't let everyone else make decisions for you in your life.
I'm impressed. Alot smarter than I was at your age. Did you live in Mexico City? Would you say that the only way to learn a language, quickly as well as thoroughly, is complete immersion?
I waited until age 21 to start college and I'm glad I did. I found a way to get my bachelor's degree online without any student loans, in a field i am interested in.
keecefly agree, but the fundamentals and theory can mostly be learnt. Any IT pro worth their weight is able to gauge their blind spots and study accordingly... I half agree with ya 😅
@keecefly tuition skyrocketed as the government subsidized and guaranteed loans... If it was left to the markets, they would be more affordable plus the lender and borrower would have skin in the game which leads to better outcomes all around. IE no 100k loans for lesbians dance theory and philosophy majors
I've discussed the fall of college and universities with friends. Honestly trade schools are so much more efficient and they don't leave you with a massive amount of debt. Now that companies are taking the task upon themselves to teach, they essentially have the combined knowledge of a university and the speedy resourcefulness of a trade school. Best of both worlds.
Trade/tech schools used to be the standard 40 years ago when only 20% of the workforce had college degrees. BTW. Back then a 2year degree was common. Not anymore.
Real estate- no college - $250,000 a year Insurance - no college- $150,00 a year Tax preparer- no college - $250,000 a year. This is just the beginning. Start your own business today.
Even mathematics aren't worth going to university anymore. If you're a math-head you can naturally learn and self teach yourself math with UA-cam, a mentor, and friends/associates you can teach each other and bounce ideas with. Ben Franklin didn't go to no fucking school. He just started a club with fellow nerds and went to the library. Only things which can endanger someone's life like doctor, engineer, architect, or chemist is worth going to school for. College is CERTIFICATION not education.
Re: "STEM programs are the only programs worth going to University for anymore." Mechanical Engineering graduate here. The Mechanical Engineering profession is in some ways like the Hollywood acting profession. In Hollywood, there are washed-up actors who can no longer get any acting roles. Perhaps because of 1 bad project. The same is true for the Mechanical Engineering profession. There are washed-up mechanical engineers who can no longer work in the field because of a bad work record. I should know, I am one of them. Every company that wants a mechanical engineer always wants one with recent experience, and heavy experience in what their company does. 5-10 years. Don't think that a degree is valuable just because it is a STEM degree. A STEM degree can be every bit as worthless as one in Philosophy.
But companies aren't doing this. Because they don't have to. There's an ocean of college grads--including self taught people--competing for every available job.
@@aiahzohar5636 im a selftaught c++ developer, i only compete with top notch devs that arent scared off of difficult things. That makes it not easyer but its a more benefitial longtime investment. There are many c++ jobs out there, but the expectations are astronomical. LUV IT :D
I said the same thing to friends and family, you are paying for an outdated education and by the time you get out of school, your are trying to pay off years of debt for a useless piece of paper/degree that has already depreciated in value. People called me nuts, but I was right. I self taught myself how to fix computers and how to market my skills. Then I started a business and started making money for myself. I went to college for my Associate's and Bachelor's and the stuff I learned wasn't from school, it was from the internet (aka my Professor). I can remember myself correcting technology Professors at college about the work they were teaching us because it was outdated. Their was always, "this is what is in the book" or some would tell me I was wrong and they never heard about what I was telling them so it can't be true.
When I was in College, i had similar situations like you and still have out of it with people that didn't understand or don't want to understand and some call you crazy, because you have a broader view of things and think differently and out of the box.
NASIRUB1 ...your comments are sad to hear but quite believable. It must be a very tough job being a professor today trying to keep up to date with all the information and new knowledge. A good professor should suck it up and admit they are not up to date and learn something. I would have much respect for that response from a professor I just corrected.
@@svaj1000 Yes, lots of jobs want degrees, but there are lots of jobs that don't, and there are ways of making a name for yourself without wasting 4 years of your life, and hundreds of thousands of dollars, only to be in student loan debt years after you're done, it's literally a black hole, literally, if you can get a degree program, that offers you your degree in half the time, and is much cheaper, take it, if not, then leave it where you found it, it's not worth it, it's like I told you on the other post, do A+, I provided a link that you need to check out, after you recieve your A+, you will be at a much better position in life, that certificate is a highly advanced certificate, that will land you a job faster, go for that instead, and while you're working, you can do an affordable degree and in less time.
Nice. So you wouldn't recommend taking Computer Science courses? I was thinking of taking Web Development classes as electives for my major just so it can be added to my résumé. Right now, I am learning Programming Languages and plan on creating a website but do you think taking CS or CIS courses would help?
@@ronjeremy1232 He is just pointing out that he can learn again online not get a job especially when a lot of programming jobs involving keeping up to date with learning new languages and softwares.
@Sarah Anderson Absolutely. Unfortunately, many believe it's all about the document and not the skills or obtained to receive the degree. Sadly, even employers have that mentality and they wonder why the people they hire are not best for the job.
@discorperted i would suggest you look into the 4 levels of competence, there is a good video on youtube, anyways there is no really no argument here as these are apples and oranges incomparison, and i do argree connections are important but without the proper application of competence knowing someone aint gonna do you nothing if you dont have the means, that why I say COE!
@discorperted my priority is based on success and money, and in the long run competence always take priority over everything, if u look at the companies of from the 80 90s and 2000s, most of them went under thru neoptism and hiring friends, but after a while the realized the need a merit based system to survive, and the companies of today is all merit based look at companies google amazon facebook all merit based, once u shown ur competence ur in the club making the connections
Everything that I learned that is worth knowing, I learned from the Internet. I got a degree and a masters, but only because jobs want me to have it. I didn't learn any useful skill at college.
Man I learn lots of skills from the internet and every time I go to class they are so outdated and boring except maths. I am only going to university because in my country every jobs needs a degree. It's depressing me.
College costs skyrocketed right after the government got into the student loan business. The Liberal professors jacked up their salaries and benefits and the colleges started raising room and board. The kids were ignorant of loan costs and the impact of lifetime payback schedules. Add to this the train wreck in useless degrees like "Transgender African Studies" and you have a disaster that was almost engineered. I remember when I was in college, the Deans had all been employed in senior positions in their fields. Today, I bet 95% of the professors have never worked outside of academia. The whole system has rendered college useless. Sad news for kids graduating next year with huge debt. The "edjumication" system hosed them bigtime.
I don't know about all the curriculum in universities, but in my University, the first thing we are taught is the way to think. Memory was never tested
@Peter Nguyen Yes but this is assuming colleges and universities actually do that. Which seems less and less the case in the US. Even if they may be teaching valuable stuff, it seems students just come out of there more concerned with their pronouns than the real world
That's the only way to go, a few thousand dollars and 6mos ur making tons. My buddy got sick of bussing tables, he took an electrical trade, he has now been working on those extremely tall towers for years, I can only imagine what he makes. He doesn't worry about making the car payment
Math for engineering teacher: You can’t use a calculator to do this for you it’s cheating My cad teacher with 40 years of drafting experience: So anyway if you google gear ratio calculators it makes designing gear much easier
@@elemerkis6387 You can, you just won't get certified. The state government's could easily make it so you could learn on your own online for pre-med and if you pass the test, move on to pay for med school where you handle everything hands on. This will cease the 4 years wasted in college and lower the price of taking up a medical degree; but colleges don't want this so they can profit more.
I recently retired a HS Counselor. I cringe when colleges charge over $50-$70k a year. I made it a point to tell my students about Community 2 year Colleges which did the same for 1/10th the price.
The technology does move quickly. Glad you have some free time. You must have noticed how a crowd of applicants are weaned. College degree is one criteria to limit applicants. Aren't you lucky.b
@WorldFlex idk wat your talking about, the reason for the exclusion wasnt subjectivism, it was disorted voice identification, siri jus didnt pick up the rest, i bet your some math teacher so your annoyed at reality lol, salty loser
@WorldFlex insulting you? so your one of egoitistical keyboard warriors, huh, should have known, and for your information, i am pretty decent at maths and even got A's in college, always top of the class, and also i can code in java and C++, since the age of 15, sure i havent created my own app yet , but just so you know im planning on starting a studio company very soon. so keep your mouth shut you insect, your nothing compared to me.
@David Lockett They wont be immune to the impact of A.I. I'm sure certain specific processes can be automated. But each individual field in its entirety is by far to complex to be automated as a whole. There will have to be a human reviewing the work at some point.
Even the fields you mentioned are problematic. Ok, say you're the CEO of a company or head of a hospital, you personally, would you rather train an 18 year old, have them shadow someone or you, who is a veteran in the field for 3 years and slowly let them handle their own projects/clients and pay them £200 pw. Or Hire a fresh uni graduate that still requires training, because all the theory they learned is dated way back to 1950s or whenever the book published, but you have to pay them £1000+pw? I would choose the former.
I'm so sick of everyone still asking me "are you in school?" But aren't you going to go to college?" "Do you have a degree?" I get it, I get it 🙄 They're not futurists. They can't keep up with the times.
Sorry, but those of us who have higher education always think in those terms. When you have a Master's degree, you look at society as educated vs. uneducated. The bias is real, but it's not unfounded. I have much more in common with people who have formal education. No degree = no pedigree.
But then what do you do? If you can get to a middle class or higher position without a college degree that's great. If you're flipping burgers while talking about how smart you are, you may want to reconsider things.
This video is about top performers. Like extremely gifted ppl. Don't expect a job at Apple saying "uuhm college is outdated guys" It's not a good thing for you that college is losing its value. It means college is a side project you better have and that shouldn't be a big deal for you to handle. ONTOP OF IT you should also be full time nerd on your topic of interest and self-educate with UA-cam, books, etc...
@@infinity2012rmx 🤔 So in other words you seem to agree that everything is moving faster now. People are expected to really know their field inside & out and to learn quickly + adapt fast, hence why the 4+ years people spend at college universities is becoming a pointless waste of time. Society will eventually do away with that style of learning. Probably sooner rather than later. The point you made about needing all of this PLUS a college degree as a "side project" doesn't make sense. "Here kid, learn everything you need to know to get qualified for the job via online learning & similar resources but also...spend four or more years of additional wasted time learning what you already know or what you could learn in half the time and at almost no cost". Right. No. People (yes even highly educated people) realize it's becoming redundant and you haven't quite caught up to this realization is all.
@@DIVISIONINCISION what exactly was the point of your comment because it mostly came across as snooty and that's about it. Are you trying to make the point that nobody would give me the time of day as far as job opportunities go because of this black and white way that formally educated people view society? Also, why not ask what it is I do or what it is I want before assuming it's wrong for me to think college isn't necessary for all of us. I'm sure you're aware that people want different things/have different goals, and have varying levels of potential... or are you that out of touch?
Jobs ask for degrees just as standard fare but many of them don't care. They are more interested in years experience and certifications (Cisco, Microsoft, AWS, etc) You have to realize that many jobs ask for the moon, but will take New Jersey. This is from someone who has been part of the hiring process in the IT field for my last three jobs.
@@eternalgaze Bruh I could learn new technology in like 5 minute with some business network stuff that I wasn't exposed to yet. Just give me a step by step guide and I'm good to go.
Exactly. When I was in school I thought? Wait I need to learn what I need to learn to be successful at this field? These universities are not teaching me anything! I work in IT (Helpdesk / Desktop Support) None of my "Computer Science" courses taught the following: Logical troubleshooting Ticket creation and closing Ticket documentation Customer Service Dealing with difficult customers Dealing with difficult team members Time management and project prioritization
@@spellcasterneo Worse, you have to first pay for the degree (a lot of people go into debt), then you often have to pay for the practical skills (bootcamps...), then you have to pay for the certifications... It's a giant money-making scheme. Most smart kids graduating from high school are well equipped to learn what they need to be successful on the job--and to keep learning. If companies offered on-the-job training, there'd be no supposed "skills gap."
To be fair, I still see value in a degree like mathematics. The quantitative skills are useful in finance, teaching, and the tech sector (although it may need to be augmented with other skills). But a large part of many degrees is paraphrasing and citing papers by Smith, J. et al. (2017). There is nearly no value in this outside of research/academia.
I feel that if it's not directly related to the skill I'm trying to learn, I shouldn't have to earn the credit. Why do I need to take a history class to become a car mechanic? Maybe a science class about rust and corrosion and electricity as it relates to car engines. But a Humanities course? Why?
Better read about the order of life and avoid the school of hard knocks! I was a hard head and did the hard knocks first. Read and study the book of wisdom. It is valid In every nation in every culture because it is truth. It was written by a king unto his son. So you know it has to be the very best advise. It is also written for you! It also speaks on principals for gaining wealth. As well as how to use it an to not abuse it. Tis called the book of proverbs. It is packed with relevant and useful practical and impractical information that if applied will achieve the results! Because it is truth and no lie!
I have access to the python console with a numpy package, so I can do a lot more complicated calculations in similar time. I also have access to Matlab, so I can do curve fitting and data visualization in a short amount of time.
I’ve noticed a number of organizations now mentioning thinking skills as more important than a college degree on employment applications. I also love that some applications ask you to write your thoughts on a problem. It’s a better indicator of what you know (ie writing skills, problem solving etc.)
You dont go to school to memorize facts. You go there to train your brain, prove that you can learn and are able to focus, organize your thoughts and express them coherently and clearly. To prove you can handle a project assignement. But memorizing things is also important because then you can work alot more efficiently. Your thought process is only based on knowledge not what you can find from Siri. Academical degrees are there for a very big reason.
Unfortunately, the university (generally speaking) has lost sight of this and has focused on the vocational side of education because that is where the money is. There is tremendous value in learning history, philosophy, languages and all the other elements of what used to be considered a liberal education. That sort of education has great value but it also does not demand a massive campus and $50,000 a year tuition, huge endowments and masses of administrators - Plato and Aristotle worked by themselves. Today's academics need to start focusing on the fundamentals that you reference and stop selling their degrees on the basis of how good a job you're going to get. Unfortunately, that would also mean cutting the price.
@@VeryProPlayerYesSir1122 you just proved her point. You don't have the ability to read simple english and understand. Or your memory is so poor you couldn't repeat what she said correctly 20 seconds later.
I disagree. Training your brain, proving that you can learn and are able to focus, organizing your thoughts and expressing them coherently and clearly as well as training your memory should be done much earlier, at ages 10-18. By the age of 18 or 19, it is probably already too late to teach these. Academical degrees as we know them today, were simple constructs of third industrial revolution. And they worked fairly well for nearly two centuries. Today however, they are completely obsolete. Now, obviously, for certain professions you need proof of ability before being allowed to partake in, such an example is medical profession. However, if you carefully think about it, achieving this does not necessarily mandate the existence of an academical degree as an institution, does it? We still use them, as they are an adequate and proven 19th and 20th century model. 21st century already has and certainly will continue to yield new methods of learning, new methods of measuring one's knowledge and abilities. Some of the technologies that come to mind that will disrupt higher education (and may I add much sooner then everybody is thinking) are AR with haptic feedback + AI teachers and teaching assistants.
When I was 5 years old, I couldn't wait to go to school. I got the new clothes, Lunch box, shows, - the works - I thought this was going to be great. I got on the bus and off I went. After 4 hours I came home from my first day of half day kindergarten. My Dad asked me how was my first day? I threw my lunch box across the living room and said:"I'm not going back". I was the first person iI knew who hated school. I hated it so bad, I graduated early just to get out. I asked my guidance counsel why General Motors or Paramount Pictures didn't have a college? She said because their business is business, not education. I'm happy that one day these Freakin Hippy Liberal College Campuses will one day go the way of the dinosaur.
that’s why i’m not getting a masters like all my friends. no need to get one when i don’t plan to stay in the same 9-5 for years. this is the best and maybe the only timeframe to get rich.
@@AC-ri2ph when you want to do something for years do you really expect your mild master will give u anything compared to the reallife experience? Except its Rusty mindset xD
I couldn't agree more. I can't wait until these Universities and their hippie professors are gone. School was a huge stress for our family because we don't think and learn the way their tiny little boxed world thinks we should. Good bye Universities 👋don't let the door hit you on the way out. 👍
Why don’t General Motors or Paramount have colleges? Now that’s a very good question! I’ll raise you one….it’s 2022 and I’m asking why isn’t LinkedIn Learning an accredited college?
@Brock Lesnar Alpha Male that's not what I saw when I went to a career fair a couple years ago at UF. SpaceX wouldnt even look at engineers and STEM majors if you didn't have at least a 3.9 GPA
I spent my 4 years in college getting a lot of now useless info. BUT, I also spent a lot of that time learning Physics and more advanced math. I graduated in 1962, My optional studies ( history, arts, Psych, et.al) are now available as UA-cam videos, but my science studies are still valuable. In the subsequent 40 years, I morphed from a physics student into an aerospace systems engineer. After graduating, I had several job offers. One from Brookhaven National Lab(working on a liquid sodium Cooling system, for a nuclear reactor;One from Grumman Aerospace Corp Working on the flight testing of the A-6 Intruder's bombing system, One from Riverhead School System as Head of the Math Dept. I wasn't even trained to teach Math, but I had learned how to use it. I joined /Grumman, and had the most rewarding and fun job I could ever have imagined.I'm now retired, and still Am active in the sciences. I'm now doing climate research. More fun, but challenging and useful work. Colleges still are behind what's needed. Too much B.S. and political correctness to deal with. We have dumbed down Nearly All colleges/universities to feel good enterprises and The degrees only useful for job contacts. We ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT THE EDUCATIONAL PROCESSES UNTIL WE GET IT RIGHT, AGAIN!
Carl Carter, you didn't fake it to make it and you did well. The slots that pay are occupied by experienced retirees, that will be the doomed scenario.
As a teacher, I can say that this is really so. By the time it'll take for the curriculum to be revised, then course module outlines to be adjusted, new texts to be identified to support the course content, teachers to be called to seminars to be briefed on the new development, the industry will have already made shifts. Not to mention the time period for the revised course to be assessed by the school/college's governing and accreditation bodies. These things literally take years!! (At least in my country). As a businesswoman though, I set up systems for training and empowering my staff on the specifics of their jobs and in professional and personal development. I also get specialists to train them in areas where my knowledge/understanding is limited, like how to identify industry trends, opportunities and threats, etc. Patrick, great content!
Kimber Waul What kids need these days are seminars, workshops, and short online courses. That’s all they need to get their head right and their feet wet. A degree used to be the recognized factor to represent hard work, discipline, and gained knowledge. With current work atmosphere and the continuous trends of economics and technology, kids need knowledge and experience quickly. Even those who are not in the computer or technology sector can benefit from this type of education. Psychologists, doctors, and professional services can still gain immense benefit by utilizing these types of educational formats.
@@taoist32 Yes, I agree. I tell my students that if you want to specialize in certain areas, like medicine, law, teaching, accounting, engineering, etc., then college is for you. Otherwise, you may do professional courses and try to start internships (especially paid ones), as soon as possible, until you can actually PAY for college (if you desire a degree that badly). I also tell them to completely immerse themselves into the experience, become lifelong learners and also work towards owning business(es) of their own. Some children, parents and school administrators think that I am strange and wrong for saying this. Many of them equate 'education' to 'schooling' and that's where the problem lies.
@@KimberWaul Teachers no longer need a degree nor do accountants. These have been made redundant at least here in Western Europe. Flight attendants also used to need a proper career training for their field, now it's all being taken care of by educators at airlines.
@@sami-9233 In my country and in most, if not all, of the countries that I know, teachers who intend to teach within the mainstream school system need a degree. If one intends to open a school in my country and most of those that I know, s/he would need some kind of degree and/or license to start a school. Also, in my country and in others, one needs to be licensed and certified to become an accountant. That's why I advise my students the way in which I do.
@@sami-9233 I am a teacher and in my country, teachers need at least a college degree since methods of teaching, educational statistics, lesson planning, and other education courses are needed. We also need to pass a licensure exam for teachers. Then we are encouraged to get our master's and attend several seminars in a year.
Yep that's the truth, that's what I wanted to hear, That's why I droppoed out from university after 1 year education, Now i have totaly free in gain knowledge. Thanks for this video guys!
College degrees have been dead for a long time. The entire IT infrastructure industry doesn’t use college. You can get a 6 figure job without paying a dime.
Krane I did it and now I’m a manager hiring more people w/o degrees. The only reason they exist is because some industries are full of bureaucracy and have outdated policies requiring them.
@@krane15 Even though they won't go away, we have more options to get a good career without a degree than 40-50 years ago. You can actually pay a few thousand for a boot camp to study programming. That's one example, could be many more.
@@dougtaylor26 There are always exceptions. But your exception is NOT the rule. The vast majority of people still need degrees to advance or even enter many industries. Like it or not that is our system and its not going away anytime soon.
@@kevindao1103 Of course there are, and that has always been the case. But there are also jobs and industries that won't even look at your without a degree. It depends on what type of job you're looking for. You want to become a doctor? You need a degree. And no amount of boot camp study can get around that.
There is a difference between craft and profession. You can learn to drive a civilian aircraft in most climatic conditions within two weeks, But you will not get a civil aviation license until to study math, physics, quality, safety, etc, you need at least two years. This applies to programming, accounting, cooking and construction..etc. There are online academies, by the way
@Thiago Oliveira it's not my fault people pick useless degrees and they are in debt...no one told you to figure your life out in college that's why you understand your goals first then aim towards a degree that will benefit you.
There are regulations for doctors so a youtube doc isn't realistic...and if you heard the companies he is referring to, they are all tech companies.....so obviously engineering and medical degrees are much needed but the vast majority are not....college is 2 yours of bullshit...i mean prereqs ......and 2 years of youtube videos and TED talks ....i mean core courses.....its all nonsense.....and this is coming from a person with a Master's.....i graduated with $230k in debt....and almost 20 years later....i can honestly say...that it was not worth it!!!! save your money
@@tintedeyez I get what your saying but going to college is a choice and the reason that these youtubers and tech giants wants to cancel college is to pay their workers less...yes I hear you that you came out with 230k of debt but why didn't you choose a cheaper school to attend to...why you didn't work to pay for your classes so you won't go into debt or waited until you were independent so they could provide more benefits for you to attend school...I sympathize with you but you put yourself into that situation...I got a computer science degree got into 16k in debt and I only have 4k to pay off plus old joe is canceling 10k of student loan debt...schools should not be cancel at all but students should be educated before they sign that financial aid agreement....and even if you cancel school and you have to earn certificates to apply for a tech job it doesn't mean your getting that job there will be more competition because certificates are easier to get...think of the consequences before you jump on the bandwagon and do research.
They dont teach you about it (such as what it is, subsidized, unsubsidized, personal, etc), they teach you how to get it. How to pay it off, budget, or anything related to living a life to pay off your loans??? You're on your own buddy.
College is a buisness, it stopped being about gaining more knowledge and applying it your life in a helpful way. Money, money, and money. College needs to change but so does high school and the way they teach us. I wish I was taught more about how tough it can be to try to get your life moving along. Like how can you go out and get a job that isnt a Mcjob. For example, I'm am excellant musician and I feel tied down by finishing up my Associate's but there are no programs or classes about how to apply for work to get paid for my skills. Also the last two years of H.S is mostly being told that college is your only answer, it's a bad cycle. I get guilt tripped about not wanting a Bachelor's degree all the time by my parents, family member, and even my boss this afternoon. I cant wait until this whole college system falls apart, I don't wish for this stress and anxiety to happen to kids younger than me at all.
Me too. I am praying for another recession, only this time is because the School system bubble finally pops. When they time comes, it's going to be Reality Check Day.
well said . A read of "weapons of mass instruction" by John Taylor Gatto is quite an eye-opener. I was lucky in some ways , had some home-schooling and formal. But looking back, I realise how I complied and became a "good student", and it screwed me for decades. We bought a second hand steel yacht and were about to renovate it, then go from France where I grew up back to Australia. But my mother chickened out... that 1 voyage of 1 year at 11 would have set me up for life - essentially turning me into a skipper.. resilience , storms, navigation in an ocean, sextant, tides, travel to exotic places... Formal schooling as we know it is child abuse on an industrial scale . Its more set up to pay teachers and administrators, and to force kids to become docile employees than anything else.
@faithful02u I am glad you have been able to make a living income with your passion, but statistics are truth and you got lucky to fall into the percentage of population that can financially survive in modern society from their own innovations and passions , unfortunately there is a much higher percentage who will waste a lot of time then have to give up and hopefully find employment. The rat race is fast , time is money and if a person does not have someone who can shelter and feed them then they will have to leave their dreams behind because they will have to spend their time trying to make money to survive.
@Teringventje I'm majoring in computer science and could share with you software engineering isn't definite as a job for hire since they're already creating algorithms and apps like a WordPress website most persons are making today or domains like GoDaddy to build your websites. I'll have a virtual assistant that can invent the codes for me and I implement the idea duh.
Maverick Shaq you’re correct, (I’m not really informed in this topic ) but not all computer science graduates make websites. What about AI , video games.
shaq software engineer is a pretty future proof career rn. please share what career has better future outlook, and I can shit on it pretty easily by looking up a UA-cam vid of the robot currently being designed to do that job.
The immense passion you have for human dynamics is something out of this world. I ve always been fascinated how a lot of people who just get thriled about business and new paradigms of human interaction often get labeled as "He is in love with money" (I am one of those labeled as such). They will never get it. I ve been following the channel for a long time and you put great content with lots of enthusiasm. Thank you.
it depends on what degree you want to get. if you want to get a degree just because u want a university life, then no. if u are passionate about a subject and want to learn more, yes. if you want to get a job after university, then do research on job and the relevant degree they want before applying.
Jon L thank you. Thank you for letting me not be the only person to realize this. He claims that we no longer need to know as much yet just proved that voice recognition fails many times.
Rap Official Videos No problem man! Of course, he does long on-take style videos, so it’s hard to restart in the middle, but if he’d been thinking about the numbers at all, it takes just a basic understanding of numbers to realize that something in the 10,000s divided by 13(about 10) would have to be at least around the thousands range.
Jon L yeah technology is not perfect yet I think his point was that we no longer need to worry so much on remembering when we have technology but I think it's important to still be educated at least a little otherwise your sound dumb asf and we have to keep in mind we are no where near perfect technology I can't ask that question if my phone freezes or my computer dies my Alex or Google home can't recognize my.voice
He doesn't specify for what they don't require a degree, or what they want instead in any specifics. He also doesn't say if he asks for degrees in his organization. 1) Moore's law is about transistors, and he doesn't really tie in the 2x rate. 2) Digital assistants are limited in what they can do. It's easy to replace some tasks, but other more complicated ones aren't replaceable yet. This also isn't new at all, but universities are still around. Actuaries don't manually do most of their work, but someone has to understand what's going on in order to design the systems that simplify others' jobs 3) Online coding courses do not teach you as much as a computer science degree. They're very narrow in comparison. 4) This is a bit of a "we're the young generation, and we know what to do, not you." He calls all curriculum outdated in 18 months, but does what happened 20 years ago change? Computers progress, but computer science doesn't change. 5) His employee doesn't know anything because he got a fine arts degree. Yes, businesses teach specialized skills. They don't want to teach you everything that you would've learned in college because it doesn't make financial sense for them. 6) He doesn't talk much about what they teach or how much those "universities" are respected 7) Yes. Everyone wants to control the narrative. He admits both companies and universities do it, but a university doing it does not mean that a business can't later in your life. The little cellphone talk at the end doesn't scare universities. That's progress that their research pushed forward. Look back to the founding of the internet. Who was there? Colleges. Research now? Universities like MIT.
I'm dropping out after the semester. College is mostly to get recognition by corporations but corporations are downsizing, outsourcing, offshoring, automating, etc. The gig economy is growing rapidly. The community college I'm at offers an Entrepreneurship certificate. I scoff at it because anyone who is good at entrepreneurship wouldn't be a teacher. That would be the bane of their existence...
"CS degree obsolete in 3 years" tells a lot about you. Especially that you have no idea what Computer Science is. Hint: no, it's not bodging web pages in yet another hip framework.
the only thing my computer science degree help me with was getting my first job. Once I started my career I never used what I learned in college. Ever. My company sent me to technical classes and training seminars for the knowledge I needed to do my job. They could have just as well hired any high school graduate who knew how to code reasonably well.
@@dirremoire Depends what you are doing. CS gives you fundamentals you can build upon. If you are talking about programming then it could be done by trained high/secondary schooler.
@@vaclavblazek Well, I guess it depends on what are considered the fundamentals. Data structures, algorithm design, i/o control, portability. ALL these are considered fundamentals yet each and everyone can be self-taught or learned in high school. Can you think of a fundamental that can't be acquired by a motivated high school kid who loves coding?
@@dirremoire I think you’re ignoring the part that survivorship bias plays in your story. You graduated with a CS degree, many others who attempted didn’t. You were able to self teach yourself tools at work, many other people who attempted weren’t able to. Also, where did you actually learn to code? In your data structures and algorithms class, or did you learn through google and self teaching? At least for my degree, I wasn’t being taught commands, just concepts - the ability to self teach myself new languages was the practice I got doing the problem sets. Also, algorithms is fundamentally a problem solving class, I’ve never had to program my own algorithm from scratch, but I do still refer to what I learned from Algo & data structures to know what library to pull up to solve my problem at hand. I definitely don’t think a cs degree will be obsolete. All the people programming siri and alexa that this guy claims will make cs obsolete is being created by CS PhD’s. That requires more than googling how to code. Remember 20-80 rule, for every 20% of people make it, 80% of people don’t. Why doesn’t everyone just go on your company trip to learn the tools you learned and replaced you? It’s probably because your education gave you skills that others don’t possess. College isn’t there to teach content, it teaches you how to learn.... and possibly teach machines.
When I worked in IT we had a software architect who was probably the smartest person I ever knew. He could foresee where every project could possibly go and built his framework to match the future. That could not possibly have been something he was taught, it was something his vision showed him. Lesser people ended up working for video game developers - a fate worse than death.
Yes, but a degree gives you more flexibility...IBM,Apple, Google can hire people to teach from their universities etc because they have the capital and losing money is not that big of a deal..while smaller tighter positions at a smaller company would require more than 1 position from a person would require a degree, so that they feel "comfortable" hiring" them..
Ahmed Hashmi smaller companies will still hire someone who did the « apple » or « google » academy. Let’s see if companies don’t try to again extract 50-80k from gullible students though
@@versastyledio yea, but opportunities would be limited..I know people in the field that won't even look at people's resume without a degree..I hate it, but that's the world we live in..it's stupid yes, but some people would only hire "intelligent" people to get the job done..I was asked recently if I have a degree(I don't), and they kept the interview short from there, and didn't challenge me in the interview further...
It cost nearly $100 thousand on a BA just to find out your average and 2 years after graduating no one is going to hire you in whatever field you studied even if you worked internships which many people don't.
@@saullopez602 exactly. who would take the risk of giving someone experience who had no schooling? A person would have to depend on family who owned businesses.
Like he said. They want them at 18, 19 years old to train them just like an apprenticeship program. Of course they accept a 4 year degree right now but who will be more valuable. A person out of college or a person that spent 4 years at Googles apprenticeship program?
I big brother dropped out in 9th grade and started working under a diesel mechanic, he worked there for a few years and eventually went to work as a diesel mechanic in the oil fields in midland/Odessa and he now makes 120k+ a year He’s been taking pilot lessons to better himself but the moral of the story is that you really don’t need a degree or diploma to make good money
The problem with West Texas is that it's boom or bust. Right now it's BUST. Plus, who wants to live out in the middle of nowhere? Diesel mechanics make more money because there are less of them. Hopefully he learned how to repair the new clean diesels that VW, Audi are producing. That is the future if we stay on fossil fuels.
@@DIVISIONINCISION Well VW & Audi were hit w/ mega colossal fines after cheating for YEARS w/there so called clean diesels. I'm a fan of VW cars but I need only a truck these days (a real good truck) thus I only own a '19 F150 Lariat FX4 w/3.0 Powerstroke turbo diesel. Luxurious as any luxury car.. safer & stronger/more durable than any 1/2 ton. Pricey but you get what you pay for folks.
*True - I was learning about 2 year old software in school. By the time I graduated it was 6 years old, irrelevant and unsupported. I payed 20k for that degree and was then earning what we call minimum wage today 15$.*
I graduated in 1992 with a degree in computer science and upon entering the work force, I realized university was pretty much a lesson in history. I can't imagine what it's like today. A lot of the delay is the curriculum is outdated by the time it gets approved to be a curriculum.
I'm now 21. Last 20 year I spend on school & Colleges but that was totally waste, I learn nothing useful that can I use. They sucked my 20 year. They fed my mind with horrible garbages. I can bet that how much I learned in just last year the rest were nothing... Now, I'm doing my best to replace those garbages to usful ones.. :)
@rigoagui another underpaid English teacher pointing face value than what their message trying to tell, poor one, cruel world, also its "too" not "to" 😢, get some rest and ask for a raise
This video doesn't really paint the whole picture, this video only talks about the Computer Science degree graduates. Companies like Google, Apple, IBM are all tech companies, they can easily train programmers, however, they don't have the time to train Electrical Engineers, or Mechanical Engineers, or Civil Engineers, because those 3 fields don't change as frequently, as the Software Engineering field does. And, it's not easy to turn a student into an Electrical Engineer within 6 months. And, Universities will still be around, just because Computer Science students are outdated quickly because of fast change in software technology, doesn't mean Universities will be out of businesses. We still need Doctors, Lawyers, Nurses, Accountants, Mathematicians, Physicists, Chemists, Biologists, Geologists, etc... these are the types of degrees that no company has the time, money, teachers, nor the campuses to train stuff like this. So, conclusion, Universities are still in businesses, but those who go to university for a Computer Science degree better watch out, because tech companies don't require a Computer Science degree for programming positions. But, if you still want to be an Engineer, Doctor, Lawyer, Accountant, you still need a degree, because no company is going to train you to become an Engineer or Doctor or anything else.
strongly disagree, the point of the video is that it is more efficient to learn practical skills on while working in your desired field than to only remember and regurgitate information to pass exams. www.educationcorner.com/the-learning-pyramid.html get familiar with the pyramid of learning, then revisit this video. its what most companies are realizing but are too scared to outright say. also my engineering school is stuck in the 1930's in terms of taught material. guess where the industry is? its a new day for all fields of study and the universities are unable to keep up due to their bureaucracy.
@@spacecowboy776 There is not a single mention of the learning pyramid in the video. Universities are not outdated, you're not going to get students to become professional Doctors with just training on the job. The model of teaching by lecture is getting outdated, but Universities are already caught up to date on that, a lot of classes are now offered online, and there are online lectures, and you just have to go to class to give an Exam. There was no such thing as an online class before the internet. It's only the Computer Science students who have to be the most careful about getting a college degree. There is no way you're going to get a Doctor's license in a country without a valid College Degree, and experience. No company is going to hire an Engineer or Accountant or a lawyer who doesn't have a college degree.
Pat belittles the importance of education because he was never good at school. Its also a good idea to hire dummies who can’t get a job outside of the company that employs them because they don’t have a degree because you know their not going anywhere and you can pay them minimum wage. (Like what Amazon does) Pat makes good points but in general getting a college degree gives you options whereas not getting a college degree limits you professionally I have a masters degree in Mechanical Engineering, own my own firm mechanical construction company and i only hire socially competent Engineers with good soft skills and I teach them marketing , finance and sales. Teaching an Engineering student sales and marketing is much easier than teaching a marketing guy Engineering
mike a Agreed. In general the 21st century jobs are in STEM (Science , Technology, Engineering and Math) and healthcare . It’s very easy to teach an Engineering Marketing and sales , yet it’s extremely difficult to teach a salesman or a marketer Engineering or Healthcare. The 21st century will belong to STEM professionals who become entrepreneurs (ie Bezos and Musk) We can do Pats Job, by I’m not 100% sold he can do ours
mike a a girl with a gender studies degree is head of amazon AI initiatives. See, sometimes every degree is useful provided, you take the right aspects of it. I Pats point is moot. Nobody will give you that first boost or that first chance to get any experience without a college degree, especially if your competing with people who have college degrees. Try getting an internship even. Basically, it’s simple, if you want to make money go get a degree. The statistics show people with a college degree have a much much higher earnings per month than those without a degree. Pat is an outlier and doesn’t prove anything. Life is about odds and probability. Your chances of making a lot of money is higher if you have s degree rather than if you don’t. So I want all the “don’t need college” folks to explain that part to me. Are you silly enough to deny statistics? Doesn’t seem very clever or am I missing something??
This could be a good thing or a bad thing. It could end terrible if the company suddenly decides to let go a large chunk of employees to cut back on budget.
Stem degrees are still extremely important. You wouldn’t want someone who is self taught being a engineer. It’s better for a engineer to have multiple perspectives and be certified
@edwardschlosser1 yeH well look at how many catastrophies happend with degree carrying folks! Bridges collaps, buildings falling over, recalled cars ! Now there is a concept!
Nice one, Patrick. This was a seriously great video - every single point was excellent. You were about two years ahead of the game with this video. Watching in Feb 2021. Always nice to see a predictive video, preceding the Mar '20 shutdown.
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This is so SCARY. I love your show. Patrick, would you ever make a video on the naked communist? Reagan once tried to warn our people. I am so worried they are succeeding. What can we do to help get the word out?? These kids are being taught capitalism is a bad thing. America is in serious trouble! Please respond if you can!
Thank you, Brandi
I guess Google will show you how to perform a surgeries or how to fix your electronics.
I am server at a Casino....i have ideas in restaurant business...i am 62 years old...want to be rich before dying...any ideas....* excuse my english...you are very smart...
@@animus3328 invest in silver and gold
I go to college to help me advance in my personal plans which do not require a degree. Qualify for grants and pass classes equals no debt for me. The cash will run out if I decide to stay for a degree then I would owe. Not part of my plan.
"I never let my schooling interfere with my education." -Mark Twain
Mark Twain was an autodidact, 99.5% of people in this world are not anywhere near that. So unless you are the .5%, this quote doesn’t apply to you.
@@namenotfound8747 Did you know 105.8% of statistics are made up on the spot? Don't underestimate the number, there are quite a few, and most humans have an innate desire to learn on subjects they are interested in; add that with powerful tools like the internet and you have a formula for a revolution. It's politics that have prevented the takeover of merits via virtual learning, not very different on how hard they are trying to make decentralized banking seem inferior and hiding the truth of private centralized banking controlling the economy.
@@AxemanMessiah Child's play. Humans are inclined to learn, but we all unequally capable of doing so. Simply put, autodidacts all display levels of genius. But not all geniuses are autodidacts. Without the fundamentals, you lose more then you would gain. Because the people that are self taught, are already doing it. Only look at human history to find them. Whenever humans have decided that they "knew" better, that they have figured out some ultimate truth, and forsaken the knowledge of the past, it has only ended in tragedy. The annihilation of paganism resulted in the destruction of the library of Alexandria, which had nearly all the known knowledge of that time in the region. Knowledge that would take over 1000 years to be rediscovered in the Islamic golden age. Or look at the cultural revolution of China, killed 20 million people trying to leave the knowledge of the past behind. WWII: blame Jews, Cambodian genocide: blame the educated. We could do this all day. Learn history, not prophecy.
@@namenotfound8747 Not sure if you got the message, I am saying virtualized learning can replace occupations that do not require licensure with the modern tools we have, so it is not "self-taught" but a school.
Regarding your example, there as just as many examples countering it.
It is not a prophecy, it's happening today..you are using it right now. ;)
@@AxemanMessiah I do not oppose virtualizing education of any kind if done right. I do oppose when people start saying we should start gutting elements out that they don't like because of convenience. I don't care if my phone knows the answer to a math question before I do, the moment society says that we don't need to learn the fundamentals of education because we have modern tools, so lets just go straight to what we "want", we lose sight of what we "need" to keep progressing forward. That kind of flawed thinking comes from people that don't know or want to know history at a deep level, and don't respect the laws of physics. New technology doesn't automatically trump or replace the old. A computer does make it easier to communicate, but if tomorrow some jackass says since we have computers, we shouldn't worry about learning to write. What's next? Let's not learn how to read? Because we have computers that do it better then we do. licensures and accreditation is there to stop stupidity, do institutions stray from there core objective, yes. But getting lazy and saying screw math, I'm a writer, what do I care? Or any other craze and delusional notion, pick your poison.
Formal education will get you the job, self education will earn you a fortune.
Self education and success habits are what will carry one through life.
You didn't even quote that
Nor cite who said it
Amen!
That's Earl Nightingale quote I believe
I got out of Electrical Engineering and into IT. I got the MCSE through my own efforts and that led to some great jobs.
Right on, universities are so political now and outdated.
Its to indoctrinate the youth to accept communismand while leading students to debt.
They indoctrinate with communist beliefs then take away students money.
@JRRnotTolkien Tell that to the ones who suffered under Lenin and USSRcommunism bet they dont teach that truth in school on top of that some have nerve to promote openborders.
@Vinny Holiday No you lie I know the truth from my family fakejw I dont manipulate like your kind. My family been through it and many were raped,kidsmurdered,lost homes and businesses. I speak truth so does my family who went through it.
Thanks now I have more reasons to prevent my kids from becoming future indoctrinated unlike the rest of the brainwashed youth today.
So basically companies are starting to use common sense in hiring, rather than looking for a piece of paper.
No they are still looking for paper. I don’t know about the speed to train. Every job I heard wants you to “hit the ground running”
An employee without crippling debt is generally a happier employee.
The HR Dept is the tipping point. When HR sees on online Univ/ computer boot-camp as the same weight as a brick & mortar school's diploma the terrain will change. People chose the brick & mortar school b/c they believe HR values that diploma over and online diploma.
@@markwalter4881 well they do... cue the jokes about University of Phoenix. Cue jokes about ITT. You need a bachelors to be a secretary yet this guy is saying universities are scared. Ha.
@@markwalter4881 we’re already there
The internet is the biggest educator for us.
Edit: Wow, 900 likes! Thank you all so much. This means so much to me.
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And now it is shaped and controlled by a few technocratic oligarchs. They can choose what is approved thought or wrong think, alternative media gets put out of search results and replaced by propaganda outlets and books are even banned! Voices are secretly silenced and shadowbaned as they see fit
@@halasimov1362 Point to one concrete example of such censorship by these "Oligarchs"
@@halasimov1362 Actually these big media companies rank on search results because they put in the time and energy to optimize their content to rank by getting a lot of approval from their audiences. More over, it is not like google or any other search engine has a secretive bias towards some of the news distributors, it's all fair and good.
Wow, it's the first time i'm getting over a hundred likes. Thank you everyone!
propaganda outlets like VOX and HUFFPOST
College professor here, agree to your point, worried about my job...
Kids today are brainwashed by that “college lifestyle”. Your job won’t be going anywhere soon...
you'll be fine for awhile. But look at another career lol
@@saullopez602 most of the time its not the kids its the parents
Micheal Colt I say half and half
Yup!! I agree you should worry!! Times are changing!!!
College Degrees were over hyped and over sold long ago
Ask graduates who are underemployed and thousands of dollars in debt
You're generalizing, Some degrees are a waste and some aren't
can anyone explain to me number 3??
Yep... When you get out you need "experience" I learned the hard way.
@@Steve_Takes It isn't 'some', it is most. The vast majority of degrees earned every year are worthless.
@stanleykaffee No, most of them don't stand a better chance. Working for 10 years on 'meager wages' is better than going into $80K in debt. Ten years later they both and up at the same place but the person who didn't go to college has no debt and actually has a positive financial position while the person who went to college still has 20 years worth of debt. But you keep telling yourself that it's worth it. Go ahead; rack up as much student debt as you want. It's your life.
I am accidentally the perfect example of this... I'm a highschool dropout, but I had a love of computers, then networking.
I am self taught and companies I've worked for have always provided me courses of their own product focus.
I'm now about to retire in the next 12 months and have a very good salary over the years...
Let you passion drive your expertise, and learn on your own...
The barrier to information is rapidly dissolving. I am making money (not that much yet) doing freelance motion graphics animation, and I am purely self-taught. The crux of my knowledge came from those 10 dollar Udemy videos and consistent, deliberate practice. This, however doesn't mean it will be smooth sailing for everyone. We live in a hyper-distracted time where you are bombarded with thousands of ads and newsfeed vying for your attention. You must have the self discipline to sit down and focus for long periods of time on whatever it is you are doing without going on an uncontrollable youtube binge spree. That's pretty much it. The power to focus and not get distracted by mundane information is the most powerful weapon you can have today.
Json is udemy an online education website
If you are given an opportunity where you can make money and you have to learn a skill to do so, not everyone will try to learn that skill, but those that do and do it fast tend to be successful.
Json ...so well said. My hat is off to you. You will be highly successful with this approach. I have no doubt.
Great summary j.. well spoken
The information is out there. You just need to know what you need to know... If I had kids, I'd never send them to college.
We've come full circle, folks. Back to apprenticeship we go...
Whoah, I always believed that the time is just a circle.
So we are now returning back in timr
It's a little worse than that, it's self teaching, no one wants to take the time to show or teach you anything.
Yep
In Australia tradesmen earn more than lawyers, because they are more valuable.
Apprenticeship is what I strived for, for several years. However, while applying and testing for apprenticeships at the big three in Michigan, each time I was told, either you cannot be given an application because the jobs are for women and minority's or, because you are white you must score at least 99 or 100% to even be considered. This after I was tested at 97% on skilled trades testing after being a machinist for several years. The system of apprenticeships is severely broken and I have long abandoned any hope of pursuing this!
I have a University degree and it taught me nothing on the work that I do today.
@asmard tech where is pyramid schemes coming from ???
@asmard tech 😕
@Mike There are thousands of companies that offer in-house training and online courses in art, programming, online marketing e.t.c at a fraction of the cost that universities charge. There is nothing unethical about that. I fail to see his point.
@Mike What is it and what does it have to with training provided by private companies that are not in academia? Do note that when I mean training, I mean online courses or books that you can buy. Seminars or webinars are not training. Those are marketing ploys to indoctrinate new people into a product or service.
@@myxsys Is your degree in STEM?
UA-cam is school these days. I've learned a lot watching different videos.
Very important is to put what you lean to use. For example, have you bought a Cisco network switch to program one? Have you bought any DC Servo amplifiers to program the PID loop? Do you know the difference in incremental encoders line vs transitions, vs analog out and interpolation? Quiz, DC servo motor, with an incremental encoder of 500 lines per rotation, with analog out, connected to a 20X interpolation decoder. What is the resolution of the motor position per transition? Can you tune the PID loop for this motor, encoder, and the mass on the motor? Have you leaned how to change a BGA part? Do you own an oscilloscope? Do you own a function generator? Have you used them together to find the impedance of a microphone cable? Have you designed a PCB? Have you debugged your board when it didn't work as planned? Can you properly implement an RS-485 line to a data recorder? Do you know what DATAQ makes? Do you own one?
Do you know the difference between a voltage amplifier and transconductance amplifier used in servos?
In DC motors, do you know the relation between Speed, Power, Torque, to Voltage, Current, and power? Do you know what a coreless motor is? Can you program a VFD as a closed loop servo?
You do not need a degree to learn all of the above. Showing your potential employer how you implement those skills is important. Last interview I was quizzed about DMM use. let them know I had a DSO, microwave tracking counter, and 3 DMMs, I was hired. Get some test equipment and know how to use it. Buy equipment and learn how to set it up. User manuals are fantastic.
Creativity is important. Needed to test some magnets used with Hall sensors. Instead of buying an expensive magnetic field instrument, simply bought some very inexpensive analog hall sensors and used a new magnet for reference, and then graphed the relative strength of the failing sensors magnets. Ability to problem solve is important. Ended up building a coil to recharge magnets back to specification to match a new magnet used for reference. The hands on in college is probably not a class you would find listed.
Can you use Audacity to help find the instability in your robotic servo for pick and place to troubleshoot the LPF?
@Joshua Craft II watch, practice what I learned, and compare to physics and math I self study. Psudo Science stands out when it breaks the physics of reality.
@Peter Nguyen it all depends. Can't speak for all viewers, but if that's the case many ppl are learning indeed. I'm sure u know what a tutorial is, it turns out YT has tons of those videos, you'd have to assume most observers of tutorials on YT never apply what they learn from the video(s). I wouldn't bet on that assumption.
@@isettech why do you ask? Does lacking that knowledge actually cut against their original statment, or are you leaping at the opportunity to say what you've learned which none of us asked you for? Is there greater context I'm missing or are you actually questioning someone as if they claimed to be in your field of work for no good reason?, seems odd.
@Peter Nguyen no doubt about that. Research should go beyond the scope of using just one website. As long as you're not saying ppl can't learn from YT I think we are in agreement. I never said YT was better than college, but claims like "impossible" and "professional level" seem a bit extreme. What is a "professional level of practice"? You don't get that in college either unless you apply what you've learned. If ur arguing YT doesn't train doctors etc. I get that, YT isn't shipping body parts and equipment etc. for students to practice on nor does it have an expert correcting mistakes. It also depends on the field you're learning in, you can easily check for your own mistakes via a check list, especially if the YT provides that check list. I think we are in agreement, I just interpreted the comment as though you can't learn from YT and responded accordingly.
Meanwhile, there are still people who pay 6 digits for a degree in Women's Studies
that and race studies/africana studies are the worst, they needed to invent degrees that these dumber people could make it through. Right now most of these universities act as a indoctrination area for progressive ideas.
Brilliant! I spend that money on Tinder and learn a million times more on that topic 😂
Women's Studies teach college women to hate men and blame men for their bad life choices instead of making them accountable. Who is going to marry a woman who took women's studies? Only a fool.
@@kevinreily2529 no woman needs be married to be a woman. Skip that outdated idea, she can study whatever she wants.
@@johnames6430 well, wnd what is your argument in that judgement?
Hence we shouldn't confuse education with schooling. University = schooling ( outdated) + debt. Education = awareness + fortune
Absolutely. And the best way to learn is through self development books, business books, management and leadership books, etc.
@@TheStrategicKeys 100 %. Readers are leaders.
I've been in tech internships back in high school and racked up alot of certifications (which cost me $0) but when i went to college, i learned jacked poop. Prefer learning online on the internet for certifications or courses... wayyy more helpful to be honest.Overheard that universities at least cost 8k per semester. May not go there. Online courses, trades, business (etfs,stocks,mutual funds, dividends, etc.)or self taught is the way to go. Everyone with college degrees will be brought upon debt unless you know finances / business then you good.
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@@leifc.6045 that's the way to go chief. Keep it up.
I'd take UA-cam access over a college if I'd have to choose.
Same here 😂
Bitchute too. UA-cam is censor Happy
Agreed. If you can learn it for free, then why spend the money?
There is many wrong information on the internet, including UA-cam. It is pleasant, but not always accurate. I spent 2years to find good answers from the internet. A specialist would have given them to me in about an hour...
Fr homie, learned more shit on the internet than in school. Its not like I really relied on school.
Depends on what you want. If you want to become a doctor, engineer, lawyer, or other things you have to go to college. Also if you have a full scholarship then it might be worth it.
Yep, very true.
My situation exactly
@@epicscream1234 what are/will you study? I will study electrical engineering next year.
@@Real_Lion_Slayer same lol, I'm a junior on a full ride. It's a tough degree and the field is starting to get saturated. My buddies all work trades and make over 100k a year so if you just want money go to a trade school. Starting salary for an EE is only 68k. I would add that medical is a solid choice as well, its always in search of people.
Exactly you can’t say don’t go to college as a general statement it’s more what you want to do, some software engineering fields require a masters like machine learning you can not be a self taught programmer and get these jobs even if you work at the company and are proven you require theoretical knowledge and mathematics to even approach some of these subjects. Can that person take some code offline and say here this works sure but why does it work.
You'll still need a degree for medicine, nursing, civil engineering, biotech research and a few others. So basically core science related fields will need a formal degree for the foreseeable future. But software? No.
@Krishna Dwarampudi NO one is going to hire a self proclaimed person who said they learned how to do surgery online you fool. Grow a brain, science isn't taught online, science is how to overcome new and diverse challenges with reason and logic. Aka why your not a scientist.
for now...but with augmented and virtual reality on the rise, as well as citizen science, maker spaces, and community labs...the days of big lumbering universities are numbered.
The point is that every organization can take control of how their potential employees learn the necessary skills needed for the job. This is NOT tech exclusive, it's just more practical in tech industry FOR NOW!
You need a 4 year degree to be a engineer, medical doctor, scientist(this includes computer science), a brokerage license, teacher, professor, NP, registered nurse, law, etc.
You learn science and advanced math in computer science, so you can become a better problem solver. Computer Science is not the same thing as a programmer, they can create a operating system, create artificial intelligence, apply advanced mathematics in programming.
This man is ignorant.
@@LiteralH2O exactly, you need a degree from a real 4 year degree in science. Then, you have to go to graduate school.
I've been saying this for about ten years now. It was obvious that the Internet would kill University
Bro I was just thinking about that. Most children have phones and most answers are only a click away.
You are ahead of your time. And I hope you know your pissing ppl off with the truth btw lol😉
Man when i tell people this they get in denial or completely dismiss what i say
@@omegamalerevelations7543 The answers have to be provided by someone. Looking up answers can be left to automationn like Siri. Answering a question takes research and cannot be automated. Those doing work do not need to be educated, they need to be obedient. Those who have to answer questions need to be educated.
On another matter. While Google does do research, can they match the University system? Harvard, Yale, Boston University and so many more conduct research and are given billions each year. In addition what Google calls research I call customization. The University system produces the foundational research Google builds on. Google itself came out of University research.
A university is not a karate sensi. It's a place to study not to be trained to be a worker.
BOUT FUCKING TIME!
College is just a place of either brainwashed people who don’t know better or extremely passionate people who wants the genuinely learn their craft and do it as a profession (eg. Doctors, Dentist, psychologist, nutritionist, etc etc.)
Online courses on Udemy and UA-cam have really helped me learn more than I ever have in college.
Me too, I use both for guitar lessons.
Yes but there is no proof you learned that, its not accredited and employers arent gonna take chance to give you $60k/year to prove yourself, unless they are gonna pay you $36k and train you, then 5 years later you have the experience in that field to get that $60k job, but your resume will be full of junk jobs
@@sumtingwong8768 I agree. Been starting my own projects and using UA-cam tutorials and documentation for help. Only way to escape tutorial hell
@@bradmorgan60 Everyone is trying to get out of the rat race, but you gotta have money coming in to be financing your side-business, which means you need a job. Having a degree would give you more options to choose from and higher pay on average. I will say if you just want to tick the box of having a bachelors, you can enroll into an online accelerated, accredited college like WGU which is $3500 for 6 months and can get your bachelors in 1 year if your fast and have the freetime. Its a fully accredited degree and cheap. Its competency based, they give you all the learning material up front and you can do it as fast as you want, get that degree and check the box. Look at reviews many people are doing esspecially since COVID
@@sumtingwong8768 I just graduated with a Master’s but even with that it is still difficult landing a job
Considering that 90% of what I’ve learned in school I’ve forgotten or never use I’d say this seems right.
Sadly Hulk the schools need to provide a general background for every potential career. Historians don't need science and vica versa. Universities are important - as you see with the pandemic. Cut them away and you get consumer driven education and no innovation.
@@TheScientist_ schools need to GO ! We dont try to bring a braindead man back to life either..
@@rickarmbruster8788 Schools are required to ensure that everyone can read and perform basic tasks. Without schools you would see a clear class system
@@TheScientist_ basic tasks like reading are the only thing a school is OK for :) the rest is BS
@@rickarmbruster8788 really? So the social skills and learning systems is pointless? The basic principles of the scientific method, oxbow lakes, Pythagoras (which I use nearly everyday)? Principles of history, economics and religion? School may not be brilliant but school does teach self reliance, resilience and politics.
I learned a lot in school. Especially about critical thinking. I’m blessed. I’m thankful for my education. And I’m thankful to my parents for teaching me to be a life long learner.
I'm an American that is in my early 20's. When it was time for me to go to college I said fuck that. Mainly becuase I was only 18 and definitely did NOT know what i wanted to do for my career but knew I did not want to go 40K in debt. Instead I went to Mexico to learn Spanish and then went to Asia for a 3 month journey. It was a pretty good investment considering the experiences I had and the things I saw but I was able to do it cheap by teaching English and offering work abroad in exchange for boarding. Now I have a great job (2 years later) as a bilingual tech support at a really cool software company making better money than a lot of friends of mine that have been to college that are stuck working in a grocery store. I have never been to a day of college in my life. Don't let everyone else make decisions for you in your life.
WORD!
I'm impressed. Alot smarter than I was at your age. Did you live in Mexico City? Would you say that the only way to learn a language, quickly as well as thoroughly, is complete immersion?
Where you can apply is very limited, end of story.
Congrats! You escaped a decade or more of crushing debt!
I waited until age 21 to start college and I'm glad I did. I found a way to get my bachelor's degree online without any student loans, in a field i am interested in.
Finally the time of forcing student to join school and colleges are changing
@@TheAstroflight right but certain jobs just require a degree and any degree at that
Work a regular job.
keecefly agree, but the fundamentals and theory can mostly be learnt. Any IT pro worth their weight is able to gauge their blind spots and study accordingly... I half agree with ya 😅
Information at your fingertips. That’s what the internet is for, not social media BS.
@keecefly tuition skyrocketed as the government subsidized and guaranteed loans... If it was left to the markets, they would be more affordable plus the lender and borrower would have skin in the game which leads to better outcomes all around. IE no 100k loans for lesbians dance theory and philosophy majors
"Education is what is left after one has forgotten all that they learn in school"
Albert Einstein
I've discussed the fall of college and universities with friends. Honestly trade schools are so much more efficient and they don't leave you with a massive amount of debt. Now that companies are taking the task upon themselves to teach, they essentially have the combined knowledge of a university and the speedy resourcefulness of a trade school.
Best of both worlds.
Triple fife trade and tech schools are the best, great skills you take and apply to a job immediately
@@marioronci5338 they really should be the gold standard. Not these 4 or 8 year colleges. The choice is obvious.
Trade/tech schools used to be the standard 40 years ago when only 20% of the workforce had college degrees. BTW. Back then a 2year degree was common. Not anymore.
@@brianperry4815 we need to get back to that standard.
Triple fife Brilliant analysis!
Real estate- no college - $250,000 a year
Insurance - no college- $150,00 a year
Tax preparer- no college - $250,000 a year.
This is just the beginning. Start your own business today.
Investment advisor - 250K per year no college.
Digital Marketer - 100k per year... no college.
tax preparer(accountant) requires Bachelor's degree
Taesamu Not in California
@@alcomproduction That job dosent require a degree just a CPA license.
STEM programs are the only programs worth going to University for anymore.
CC Smooth But that’s the point of this vid. Tech is definitely not worth going to uni for.
@Gabriel Martinez STEM is Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics
@Gabriel Martinez I just got here....
Even mathematics aren't worth going to university anymore.
If you're a math-head you can naturally learn and self teach yourself math with UA-cam, a mentor, and friends/associates you can teach each other and bounce ideas with.
Ben Franklin didn't go to no fucking school. He just started a club with fellow nerds and went to the library.
Only things which can endanger someone's life like doctor, engineer, architect, or chemist is worth going to school for. College is CERTIFICATION not education.
Re: "STEM programs are the only programs worth going to University for anymore."
Mechanical Engineering graduate here. The Mechanical Engineering profession is in some ways like the Hollywood acting profession. In Hollywood, there are washed-up actors who can no longer get any acting roles. Perhaps because of 1 bad project. The same is true for the Mechanical Engineering profession. There are washed-up mechanical engineers who can no longer work in the field because of a bad work record. I should know, I am one of them. Every company that wants a mechanical engineer always wants one with recent experience, and heavy experience in what their company does. 5-10 years.
Don't think that a degree is valuable just because it is a STEM degree. A STEM degree can be every bit as worthless as one in Philosophy.
Soft skills - it's like Henry Ford said over a century ago: "Hire friendly, train technical!".
@Peter Nguyen oh boy you are so wrong :D, there are only a few exceptions that wanna have brains the rest wants 100% obedience xD
@Peter Nguyen the good old 90s :/
But companies aren't doing this. Because they don't have to. There's an ocean of college grads--including self taught people--competing for every available job.
@@aiahzohar5636 im a selftaught c++ developer, i only compete with top notch devs that arent scared off of difficult things. That makes it not easyer but its a more benefitial longtime investment. There are many c++ jobs out there, but the expectations are astronomical. LUV IT :D
I said the same thing to friends and family, you are paying for an outdated education and by the time you get out of school, your are trying to pay off years of debt for a useless piece of paper/degree that has already depreciated in value. People called me nuts, but I was right.
I self taught myself how to fix computers and how to market my skills. Then I started a business and started making money for myself. I went to college for my Associate's and Bachelor's and the stuff I learned wasn't from school, it was from the internet (aka my Professor).
I can remember myself correcting technology Professors at college about the work they were teaching us because it was outdated. Their was always, "this is what is in the book" or some would tell me I was wrong and they never heard about what I was telling them so it can't be true.
When I was in College, i had similar situations like you and still have out of it with people that didn't understand or don't want to understand and some call you crazy, because you have a broader view of things and think differently and out of the box.
NASIRUB1 ...your comments are sad to hear but quite believable. It must be a very tough job being a professor today trying to keep up to date with all the information and new knowledge. A good professor should suck it up and admit they are not up to date and learn something. I would have much respect for that response from a professor I just corrected.
Great job, I'll be doing the same, I'll be pursuing A+ though.
@@svaj1000 Yes, lots of jobs want degrees, but there are lots of jobs that don't, and there are ways of making a name for yourself without wasting 4 years of your life, and hundreds of thousands of dollars, only to be in student loan debt years after you're done, it's literally a black hole, literally, if you can get a degree program, that offers you your degree in half the time, and is much cheaper, take it, if not, then leave it where you found it, it's not worth it, it's like I told you on the other post, do A+, I provided a link that you need to check out, after you recieve your A+, you will be at a much better position in life, that certificate is a highly advanced certificate, that will land you a job faster, go for that instead, and while you're working, you can do an affordable degree and in less time.
I have a degree in math and computer science. I can now learn (or re-learn) it all for free on UA-cam.
Could you give me all your resource?
Nice. So you wouldn't recommend taking Computer Science courses?
I was thinking of taking Web Development classes as electives for my major just so it can be added to my résumé. Right now, I am learning Programming Languages and plan on creating a website but do you think taking CS or CIS courses would help?
Good luck getting a job/internship with UA-cam videos on your resume
@@ronjeremy1232 He is just pointing out that he can learn again online not get a job especially when a lot of programming jobs involving keeping up to date with learning new languages and softwares.
@Sarah Anderson Absolutely. Unfortunately, many believe it's all about the document and not the skills or obtained to receive the degree. Sadly, even employers have that mentality and they wonder why the people they hire are not best for the job.
*COMPETENCE over EDUCATION.*
@discorperted nope COE, competence over EVENTHING!
@discorperted why would would you let someone u know thru just connections that isnt competent do business with you?
@discorperted corrected!
@discorperted i would suggest you look into the 4 levels of competence, there is a good video on youtube, anyways there is no really no argument here as these are apples and oranges incomparison, and i do argree connections are important but without the proper application of competence knowing someone aint gonna do you nothing if you dont have the means, that why I say COE!
@discorperted my priority is based on success and money, and in the long run competence always take priority over everything, if u look at the companies of from the 80 90s and 2000s, most of them went under thru neoptism and hiring friends, but after a while the realized the need a merit based system to survive, and the companies of today is all merit based look at companies google amazon facebook all merit based, once u shown ur competence ur in the club making the connections
Everything that I learned that is worth knowing, I learned from the Internet. I got a degree and a masters, but only because jobs want me to have it. I didn't learn any useful skill at college.
I couldnt agree more.
Man I learn lots of skills from the internet and every time I go to class they are so outdated and boring except maths. I am only going to university because in my country every jobs needs a degree. It's depressing me.
At the college I attended, a number of teachers used online sources as parts of their lesson plans
@@mikemack7933 . . .online sources? and how?
College costs skyrocketed right after the government got into the student loan business. The Liberal professors jacked up their salaries and benefits and the colleges started raising room and board. The kids were ignorant of loan costs and the impact of lifetime payback schedules. Add to this the train wreck in useless degrees like "Transgender African Studies" and you have a disaster that was almost engineered. I remember when I was in college, the Deans had all been employed in senior positions in their fields. Today, I bet 95% of the professors have never worked outside of academia. The whole system has rendered college useless.
Sad news for kids graduating next year with huge debt. The "edjumication" system hosed them bigtime.
Key word here," ignorant "
yeah, degree apart from engg, med and law + important ones. Everything else WHY DO YOU EVEN NEED A DEGREE!!?!?!?
"What did you learn from the last 6-8 years in college?"
That I waste a lot of time and money.
Dark Light lol 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Amen brother. I came to the same conclusion as well as knowing how stupid human beings can become.
Well you're not supposed to spend so much time in a university..
Just graduated college, and now I’m doing a 6month boot camp. This couldn’t be more accurate
Sounds more like a reboot camp on your life. You go to college and then you get das boot.
I don't know about all the curriculum in universities, but in my University, the first thing we are taught is the way to think. Memory was never tested
going to college is like buying a expensive car and never driving it
borrowing
Maybe for Art and Humanities degree
Maybe for some. For me, my degree opened doors.
More like buying an expensive car that has wheels of random shapes but never round and as a bonus, the engine doesn't work anyway
@Peter Nguyen Yes but this is assuming colleges and universities actually do that. Which seems less and less the case in the US. Even if they may be teaching valuable stuff, it seems students just come out of there more concerned with their pronouns than the real world
technical schools and trades are the best type of post secondary. you learn with on the job training.
That's the only way to go, a few thousand dollars and 6mos ur making tons. My buddy got sick of bussing tables, he took an electrical trade, he has now been working on those extremely tall towers for years, I can only imagine what he makes. He doesn't worry about making the car payment
True, here in the UK (apprenticeships) are taken off you learn on the jon get qualified and get paid for it, no massive debt and real world experience
You pay for degree
Go to university
Get told to do your research
Back on Google anyway
Topkek
google scholar > university
Except when you need to cite your sources and youtube is not acceptable.
Math for engineering teacher: You can’t use a calculator to do this for you it’s cheating
My cad teacher with 40 years of drafting experience: So anyway if you google gear ratio calculators it makes designing gear much easier
Try to learn surgery or law on Google this is the real TOPKEK.
@@elemerkis6387 You can, you just won't get certified. The state government's could easily make it so you could learn on your own online for pre-med and if you pass the test, move on to pay for med school where you handle everything hands on. This will cease the 4 years wasted in college and lower the price of taking up a medical degree; but colleges don't want this so they can profit more.
I recently retired a HS Counselor. I cringe when colleges charge over $50-$70k a year. I made it a point to tell my students about Community 2 year Colleges which did the same for 1/10th the price.
I’m glad I’m finally done with college so I can study stuff that I actually want to learn!! I should’ve dropped out a long time ago
The technology does move quickly. Glad you have some free time. You must have noticed how a crowd of applicants are weaned. College degree is one criteria to limit applicants. Aren't you lucky.b
So we're just going to act like siri didn't ignore the other 27,000?... 🤔
Just like a Woaman ..... doesn’t listen
@@billmeriwether605 Right 😂😂
Siri is a female afterall...
But really its because of the way he said the number.
@WorldFlex idk wat your talking about, the reason for the exclusion wasnt subjectivism, it was disorted voice identification, siri jus didnt pick up the rest, i bet your some math teacher so your annoyed at reality lol, salty loser
@WorldFlex insulting you? so your one of egoitistical keyboard warriors, huh, should have known, and for your information, i am pretty decent at maths and even got A's in college, always top of the class, and also i can code in java and C++, since the age of 15, sure i havent created my own app yet , but just so you know im planning on starting a studio company very soon. so keep your mouth shut you insect, your nothing compared to me.
Love this video. It’s time more people understood these ideas. Including myself!
How is it that noone noticed your comment?
My childhood was a little better because of you. Thanks for your creative work
BUTCH HARTMAN !??!?! OMG YES !!! BOTH UA-camRS I FOLLOW !!
@@CaptainBones222 I did 👍
I just got a four year degree in gender studies ? DINKLEBURG !!!!!!
I feel bad for any person going to college and not aiming for Doctor, lawyer, or civil engineer. I doubt the necessity of college for certain fields.
@David Lockett They wont be immune to the impact of A.I. I'm sure certain specific processes can be automated. But each individual field in its entirety is by far to complex to be automated as a whole. There will have to be a human reviewing the work at some point.
@@AO-qy8fp more likely it will be the AI reviewing the work of the human.
Even the fields you mentioned are problematic.
Ok, say you're the CEO of a company or head of a hospital, you personally, would you rather train an 18 year old, have them shadow someone or you, who is a veteran in the field for 3 years and slowly let them handle their own projects/clients and pay them £200 pw.
Or
Hire a fresh uni graduate that still requires training, because all the theory they learned is dated way back to 1950s or whenever the book published, but you have to pay them £1000+pw?
I would choose the former.
Even those Doctors and Lawyers will be replaced with machines. Engineering jobs are being outsourced.
Facts
It's basically I teach my kid how to code, he wins the national IT competition and his teachers at school get a raise.
I'm so sick of everyone still asking me "are you in school?" But aren't you going to go to college?" "Do you have a degree?"
I get it, I get it 🙄 They're not futurists. They can't keep up with the times.
Sorry, but those of us who have higher education always think in those terms. When you have a Master's degree, you look at society as educated vs. uneducated. The bias is real, but it's not unfounded. I have much more in common with people who have formal education. No degree = no pedigree.
But then what do you do? If you can get to a middle class or higher position without a college degree that's great. If you're flipping burgers while talking about how smart you are, you may want to reconsider things.
This video is about top performers. Like extremely gifted ppl. Don't expect a job at Apple saying "uuhm college is outdated guys"
It's not a good thing for you that college is losing its value. It means college is a side project you better have and that shouldn't be a big deal for you to handle. ONTOP OF IT you should also be full time nerd on your topic of interest and self-educate with UA-cam, books, etc...
@@infinity2012rmx 🤔 So in other words you seem to agree that everything is moving faster now. People are expected to really know their field inside & out and to learn quickly + adapt fast, hence why the 4+ years people spend at college universities is becoming a pointless waste of time. Society will eventually do away with that style of learning. Probably sooner rather than later. The point you made about needing all of this PLUS a college degree as a "side project" doesn't make sense.
"Here kid, learn everything you need to know to get qualified for the job via online learning & similar resources but also...spend four or more years of additional wasted time learning what you already know or what you could learn in half the time and at almost no cost".
Right.
No. People (yes even highly educated people) realize it's becoming redundant and you haven't quite caught up to this realization is all.
@@DIVISIONINCISION what exactly was the point of your comment because it mostly came across as snooty and that's about it. Are you trying to make the point that nobody would give me the time of day as far as job opportunities go because of this black and white way that formally educated people view society? Also, why not ask what it is I do or what it is I want before assuming it's wrong for me to think college isn't necessary for all of us.
I'm sure you're aware that people want different things/have different goals, and have varying levels of potential... or are you that out of touch?
Every IT job I’ve applied for asked if I had a degree.
For now, soon enough that won't be necessary. Sites like Brilliant.org and programs like the Great Courses Plus are very helpful.
This channel is more directed at entrepreneurs. Think of it this way: did you ask if the founder/CEO had a degree?
Jobs ask for degrees just as standard fare but many of them don't care. They are more interested in years experience and certifications (Cisco, Microsoft, AWS, etc) You have to realize that many jobs ask for the moon, but will take New Jersey. This is from someone who has been part of the hiring process in the IT field for my last three jobs.
@@eternalgaze Bruh I could learn new technology in like 5 minute with some business network stuff that I wasn't exposed to yet. Just give me a step by step guide and I'm good to go.
They also asked if you have a criminal record guess which one they actually investigate???
This can be summarized in one word: apprenticeship
Spot on ..
why retrain your apprentice...
Agreed. But where??
Exactly. When I was in school I thought? Wait I need to learn what I need to learn to be successful at this field? These universities are not teaching me anything! I work in IT (Helpdesk / Desktop Support) None of my "Computer Science" courses taught the following:
Logical troubleshooting
Ticket creation and closing
Ticket documentation
Customer Service
Dealing with difficult customers
Dealing with difficult team members
Time management and project prioritization
@@spellcasterneo Worse, you have to first pay for the degree (a lot of people go into debt), then you often have to pay for the practical skills (bootcamps...), then you have to pay for the certifications... It's a giant money-making scheme. Most smart kids graduating from high school are well equipped to learn what they need to be successful on the job--and to keep learning. If companies offered on-the-job training, there'd be no supposed "skills gap."
@@aiahzohar5636 Indeed and colleges and universities would be out of business because that's what it is a BUSINESS.
To be fair, I still see value in a degree like mathematics. The quantitative skills are useful in finance, teaching, and the tech sector (although it may need to be augmented with other skills).
But a large part of many degrees is paraphrasing and citing papers by Smith, J. et al. (2017). There is nearly no value in this outside of research/academia.
I feel that if it's not directly related to the skill I'm trying to learn, I shouldn't have to earn the credit. Why do I need to take a history class to become a car mechanic? Maybe a science class about rust and corrosion and electricity as it relates to car engines. But a Humanities course? Why?
I'm so glad I didn't finish college and I'm learning the school of life.
Maria Urbina sane here man same here
@stanleykaffee You obviously did not watch this video.
@stanleykaffee
You sound funny.!
Better read about the order of life and avoid the school of hard knocks! I was a hard head and did the hard knocks first. Read and study the book of wisdom. It is valid In every nation in every culture because it is truth. It was written by a king unto his son. So you know it has to be the very best advise. It is also written for you! It also speaks on principals for gaining wealth. As well as how to use it an to not abuse it. Tis called the book of proverbs. It is packed with relevant and useful practical and impractical information that if applied will achieve the results! Because it is truth and no lie!
Zero exactly.
Asks siri what 27,227/13 is and gets an answer of 227/13. I'll stick to asking uncle John 😂
I have access to the python console with a numpy package, so I can do a lot more complicated calculations in similar time. I also have access to Matlab, so I can do curve fitting and data visualization in a short amount of time.
Not only did Siri screw it up, but Patrick didn't notice. Uncle John, it is.
Haha you gotta speak clearly unfortunately.
He didn't speak clearly. Not even I understood it.
@@denimili7659 "Tenty Theven Fowzand"
I’ve noticed a number of organizations now mentioning thinking skills as more important than a college degree on employment applications. I also love that some applications ask you to write your thoughts on a problem. It’s a better indicator of what you know (ie writing skills, problem solving etc.)
Going to regular University was the biggest mistake of my life.
You dont go to school to memorize facts. You go there to train your brain, prove that you can learn and are able to focus, organize your thoughts and express them coherently and clearly. To prove you can handle a project assignement. But memorizing things is also important because then you can work alot more efficiently. Your thought process is only based on knowledge not what you can find from Siri. Academical degrees are there for a very big reason.
You are wonderful!
Unfortunately, the university (generally speaking) has lost sight of this and has focused on the vocational side of education because that is where the money is. There is tremendous value in learning history, philosophy, languages and all the other elements of what used to be considered a liberal education. That sort of education has great value but it also does not demand a massive campus and $50,000 a year tuition, huge endowments and masses of administrators - Plato and Aristotle worked by themselves. Today's academics need to start focusing on the fundamentals that you reference and stop selling their degrees on the basis of how good a job you're going to get. Unfortunately, that would also mean cutting the price.
You go there to solve assignments?? Lol. Go and write that shit on your CV.
@@VeryProPlayerYesSir1122 you just proved her point. You don't have the ability to read simple english and understand. Or your memory is so poor you couldn't repeat what she said correctly 20 seconds later.
I disagree. Training your brain, proving that you can learn and are able to focus, organizing your thoughts and expressing them coherently and clearly as well as training your memory should be done much earlier, at ages 10-18. By the age of 18 or 19, it is probably already too late to teach these. Academical degrees as we know them today, were simple constructs of third industrial revolution. And they worked fairly well for nearly two centuries. Today however, they are completely obsolete. Now, obviously, for certain professions you need proof of ability before being allowed to partake in, such an example is medical profession. However, if you carefully think about it, achieving this does not necessarily mandate the existence of an academical degree as an institution, does it? We still use them, as they are an adequate and proven 19th and 20th century model. 21st century already has and certainly will continue to yield new methods of learning, new methods of measuring one's knowledge and abilities. Some of the technologies that come to mind that will disrupt higher education (and may I add much sooner then everybody is thinking) are AR with haptic feedback + AI teachers and teaching assistants.
When I was 5 years old, I couldn't wait to go to school. I got the new clothes, Lunch box, shows, - the works - I thought this was going to be great. I got on the bus and off I went. After 4 hours I came home from my first day of half day kindergarten. My Dad asked me how was my first day? I threw my lunch box across the living room and said:"I'm not going back". I was the first person iI knew who hated school. I hated it so bad, I graduated early just to get out. I asked my guidance counsel why General Motors or Paramount Pictures didn't have a college? She said because their business is business, not education. I'm happy that one day these Freakin Hippy Liberal College Campuses will one day go the way of the dinosaur.
that’s why i’m not getting a masters like all my friends. no need to get one when i don’t plan to stay in the same 9-5 for years. this is the best and maybe the only timeframe to get rich.
@@AC-ri2ph when you want to do something for years do you really expect your mild master will give u anything compared to the reallife experience? Except its Rusty mindset xD
I couldn't agree more. I can't wait until these Universities and their hippie professors are gone. School was a huge stress for our family because we don't think and learn the way their tiny little boxed world thinks we should. Good bye Universities 👋don't let the door hit you on the way out. 👍
Why don’t General Motors or Paramount have colleges? Now that’s a very good question! I’ll raise you one….it’s 2022 and I’m asking why isn’t LinkedIn Learning an accredited college?
Once these companies start training their own employees out of high school we can say goodbye the mythical 6-figure starting salary in tech.
This is a good point. Not to mention "Non-solicitation clauses" in hiring contracts are about to be Cray cray
Try and get an engineering job without a degree.
@Brock Lesnar Alpha Male that's not what I saw when I went to a career fair a couple years ago at UF. SpaceX wouldnt even look at engineers and STEM majors if you didn't have at least a 3.9 GPA
@Brock Lesnar Alpha Male you think tesla is the only engineering company? u are a fool
Show them something you created and its useful
@@sergyag1999 projects are definitely a resume builder. But they aren't the say all end all when it comes to hiring
@@gabrielfiol2311 I have a business in mind about a software using algo, but Im studying finance
I spent my 4 years in college getting a lot of now useless info. BUT, I also spent a lot of that time learning Physics and more advanced math. I graduated in 1962, My optional studies ( history, arts, Psych, et.al) are now available as UA-cam videos, but my science studies are still valuable. In the subsequent 40 years, I morphed from a physics student into an aerospace systems engineer. After graduating, I had several job offers. One from Brookhaven National Lab(working on a liquid sodium Cooling system, for a nuclear reactor;One from Grumman Aerospace Corp Working on the flight testing of the A-6 Intruder's bombing system, One from Riverhead School System as Head of the Math Dept. I wasn't even trained to teach Math, but I had learned how to use it. I joined /Grumman, and had the most rewarding and fun job I could ever have imagined.I'm now retired, and still Am active in the sciences. I'm now doing climate research. More fun, but challenging and useful work. Colleges still are behind what's needed. Too much B.S. and political correctness to deal with. We have dumbed down Nearly All colleges/universities to feel good enterprises and The degrees only useful for job contacts. We ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT THE EDUCATIONAL PROCESSES UNTIL WE GET IT RIGHT, AGAIN!
Carl Carter, you didn't fake it to make it and you did well. The slots that pay are occupied by experienced retirees, that will be the doomed scenario.
I’m too stupid to be like you tho.
As a teacher, I can say that this is really so. By the time it'll take for the curriculum to be revised, then course module outlines to be adjusted, new texts to be identified to support the course content, teachers to be called to seminars to be briefed on the new development, the industry will have already made shifts. Not to mention the time period for the revised course to be assessed by the school/college's governing and accreditation bodies. These things literally take years!! (At least in my country).
As a businesswoman though, I set up systems for training and empowering my staff on the specifics of their jobs and in professional and personal development. I also get specialists to train them in areas where my knowledge/understanding is limited, like how to identify industry trends, opportunities and threats, etc. Patrick, great content!
Kimber Waul What kids need these days are seminars, workshops, and short online courses. That’s all they need to get their head right and their feet wet. A degree used to be the recognized factor to represent hard work, discipline, and gained knowledge. With current work atmosphere and the continuous trends of economics and technology, kids need knowledge and experience quickly. Even those who are not in the computer or technology sector can benefit from this type of education. Psychologists, doctors, and professional services can still gain immense benefit by utilizing these types of educational formats.
@@taoist32 Yes, I agree. I tell my students that if you want to specialize in certain areas, like medicine, law, teaching, accounting, engineering, etc., then college is for you. Otherwise, you may do professional courses and try to start internships (especially paid ones), as soon as possible, until you can actually PAY for college (if you desire a degree that badly). I also tell them to completely immerse themselves into the experience, become lifelong learners and also work towards owning business(es) of their own. Some children, parents and school administrators think that I am strange and wrong for saying this. Many of them equate 'education' to 'schooling' and that's where the problem lies.
@@KimberWaul Teachers no longer need a degree nor do accountants. These have been made redundant at least here in Western Europe. Flight attendants also used to need a proper career training for their field, now it's all being taken care of by educators at airlines.
@@sami-9233 In my country and in most, if not all, of the countries that I know, teachers who intend to teach within the mainstream school system need a degree. If one intends to open a school in my country and most of those that I know, s/he would need some kind of degree and/or license to start a school. Also, in my country and in others, one needs to be licensed and certified to become an accountant. That's why I advise my students the way in which I do.
@@sami-9233 I am a teacher and in my country, teachers need at least a college degree since methods of teaching, educational statistics, lesson planning, and other education courses are needed. We also need to pass a licensure exam for teachers. Then we are encouraged to get our master's and attend several seminars in a year.
Yep that's the truth, that's what I wanted to hear, That's why I droppoed out from university after 1 year education, Now i have totaly free in gain knowledge. Thanks for this video guys!
Scary how the companies can limit what you can learn so you are restricted to that company
The same is true for how they restrict customers from using other products.
They can't and they don't.
@@ArturZygmunt Ever heard of platform exclusives? Ever heard of ecosystems?
I can imagine getting fired by Google will make it tough to work Apple
Glad I'm a college dropout and got my house at a good rate and my car with zero percent financing 😎👍
Noice
Yes, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs seem to have done well for themselves after dropping out.
0% Errrr,,,,,how nobody lends money for free?
@@carnivalwrestler Remember, these are pretty intelligent. That is why they could afford to drop out. They aren't run of the mil people.
0% financing? How?
College degrees have been dead for a long time. The entire IT infrastructure industry doesn’t use college. You can get a 6 figure job without paying a dime.
Nope, and despite the message to the contrary, they're not going away anytime soon.
Krane I did it and now I’m a manager hiring more people w/o degrees. The only reason they exist is because some industries are full of bureaucracy and have outdated policies requiring them.
@@krane15 Even though they won't go away, we have more options to get a good career without a degree than 40-50 years ago. You can actually pay a few thousand for a boot camp to study programming. That's one example, could be many more.
@@dougtaylor26 There are always exceptions. But your exception is NOT the rule. The vast majority of people still need degrees to advance or even enter many industries. Like it or not that is our system and its not going away anytime soon.
@@kevindao1103 Of course there are, and that has always been the case. But there are also jobs and industries that won't even look at your without a degree. It depends on what type of job you're looking for. You want to become a doctor? You need a degree. And no amount of boot camp study can get around that.
Love how Siri missed two digits from his number and he’s like “yOu SeE wHaT i MeAn”
Alexa? Is that you?
Yeah, I noticed the same. Was searching for a comment that will mention that and found this.
Lmfao
🤣🤣🤣 Exactly!
Yeah - seemed like a good time for a reshoot
We from apprenticeship system to the university system. And now it looks like apprenticeship is coming back
ConiferF trades are always going to be needed,
Three skills that are always in demand. Plumbers, HVAC and electricians.
There is a difference between craft and profession. You can learn to drive a civilian aircraft in most climatic conditions within two weeks, But you will not get a civil aviation license until to study math, physics, quality, safety, etc, you need at least two years. This applies to programming, accounting, cooking and construction..etc. There are online academies, by the way
“Experience is not expensive, it is priceless “
I hope no one ends up with a doctor that only learned from youtube... college is no where near dead.
Finally someone who has common sense
@Thiago Oliveira it's not my fault people pick useless degrees and they are in debt...no one told you to figure your life out in college that's why you understand your goals first then aim towards a degree that will benefit you.
There are regulations for doctors so a youtube doc isn't realistic...and if you heard the companies he is referring to, they are all tech companies.....so obviously engineering and medical degrees are much needed but the vast majority are not....college is 2 yours of bullshit...i mean prereqs ......and 2 years of youtube videos and TED talks ....i mean core courses.....its all nonsense.....and this is coming from a person with a Master's.....i graduated with $230k in debt....and almost 20 years later....i can honestly say...that it was not worth it!!!! save your money
@@tintedeyez I get what your saying but going to college is a choice and the reason that these youtubers and tech giants wants to cancel college is to pay their workers less...yes I hear you that you came out with 230k of debt but why didn't you choose a cheaper school to attend to...why you didn't work to pay for your classes so you won't go into debt or waited until you were independent so they could provide more benefits for you to attend school...I sympathize with you but you put yourself into that situation...I got a computer science degree got into 16k in debt and I only have 4k to pay off plus old joe is canceling 10k of student loan debt...schools should not be cancel at all but students should be educated before they sign that financial aid agreement....and even if you cancel school and you have to earn certificates to apply for a tech job it doesn't mean your getting that job there will be more competition because certificates are easier to get...think of the consequences before you jump on the bandwagon and do research.
@@hiro3759 exactly, cuz they wanna pay less!
Universities are perfect in teaching you about debt. That’s it...
And equities....
Lul, and they're even bad at teaching about debt.
Not everywhere, in many European countries it’s free
Oh you poor, poor victim.
They dont teach you about it (such as what it is, subsidized, unsubsidized, personal, etc), they teach you how to get it. How to pay it off, budget, or anything related to living a life to pay off your loans??? You're on your own buddy.
College is a buisness, it stopped being about gaining more knowledge and applying it your life in a helpful way. Money, money, and money.
College needs to change but so does high school and the way they teach us. I wish I was taught more about how tough it can be to try to get your life moving along. Like how can you go out and get a job that isnt a Mcjob. For example, I'm am excellant musician and I feel tied down by finishing up my Associate's but there are no programs or classes about how to apply for work to get paid for my skills. Also the last two years of H.S is mostly being told that college is your only answer, it's a bad cycle.
I get guilt tripped about not wanting a Bachelor's degree all the time by my parents, family member, and even my boss this afternoon. I cant wait until this whole college system falls apart, I don't wish for this stress and anxiety to happen to kids younger than me at all.
Me too. I am praying for another recession, only this time is because the School system bubble finally pops. When they time comes, it's going to be Reality Check Day.
I would consider you major in something more practical like Accounting or Computer Science land focus on tour music on the side.
well said . A read of "weapons of mass instruction" by John Taylor Gatto is quite an eye-opener. I was lucky in some ways , had some home-schooling and formal. But looking back, I realise how I complied and became a "good student", and it screwed me for decades. We bought a second hand steel yacht and were about to renovate it, then go from France where I grew up back to Australia. But my mother chickened out... that 1 voyage of 1 year at 11 would have set me up for life - essentially turning me into a skipper.. resilience , storms, navigation in an ocean, sextant, tides, travel to exotic places... Formal schooling as we know it is child abuse on an industrial scale . Its more set up to pay teachers and administrators, and to force kids to become docile employees than anything else.
@faithful02u I am glad you have been able to make a living income with your passion, but statistics are truth and you got lucky to fall into the percentage of population that can financially survive in modern society from their own innovations and passions , unfortunately there is a much higher percentage who will waste a lot of time then have to give up and hopefully find employment. The rat race is fast , time is money and if a person does not have someone who can shelter and feed them then they will have to leave their dreams behind because they will have to spend their time trying to make money to survive.
@@infamouscrusader3363 reality check day is here, your prayer has been answered.
corporations gonna start them young. Gonna draft kids right out of high school to work for them. Sign a 6 year contract with all tuition paid.
I see that happening....and really soon.
Sounds way better than going to a University.
That is what I have been planning to do for my business.
@@alijiemmanuel8017 Good I would definelty work for company if you do that :)
"Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school " (Einstein). Einstein would have loved this guy!
I increased my salary from $70,000 to $120,000 in 16 months by studying at Pluralsight. I'm a software engineer.
Obsolete in 3 years.
Obsolete in 3 years.
@Teringventje I'm majoring in computer science and could share with you software engineering isn't definite as a job for hire since they're already creating algorithms and apps like a WordPress website most persons are making today or domains like GoDaddy to build your websites. I'll have a virtual assistant that can invent the codes for me and I implement the idea duh.
Maverick Shaq you’re correct,
(I’m not really informed in this topic ) but not all computer science graduates make websites. What about AI , video games.
shaq software engineer is a pretty future proof career rn. please share what career has better future outlook, and I can shit on it pretty easily by looking up a UA-cam vid of the robot currently being designed to do that job.
"PHD: Poor, Helpless and Desperate" -Robert Kiyosaki
Jim Rohn - 'Formal education will make you a living; self-education will make you a fortune.'
Internet is boss we like the same people. I love John Rohns voice and commonsense style.
The immense passion you have for human dynamics is something out of this world. I ve always been fascinated how a lot of people who just get thriled about business and new paradigms of human interaction often get labeled as "He is in love with money" (I am one of those labeled as such). They will never get it. I ve been following the channel for a long time and you put great content with lots of enthusiasm. Thank you.
The enthusiasm would be better if what he said was accurate, he's better described as passionately misleading.
@@rslnola Everyone s entitled to an opinion.
@@dieterspecht36 Of course, but a lot of what he says is factually wrong.
@@rslnola Alright.
it depends on what degree you want to get. if you want to get a degree just because u want a university life, then no. if u are passionate about a subject and want to learn more, yes. if you want to get a job after university, then do research on job and the relevant degree they want before applying.
“Hey Siri what is 27,227 / 13?”
“227 / 13 is about 17.4615”
Genius!!!
Jon L thank you. Thank you for letting me not be the only person to realize this. He claims that we no longer need to know as much yet just proved that voice recognition fails many times.
...not just me!
Rap Official Videos No problem man! Of course, he does long on-take style videos, so it’s hard to restart in the middle, but if he’d been thinking about the numbers at all, it takes just a basic understanding of numbers to realize that something in the 10,000s divided by 13(about 10) would have to be at least around the thousands range.
Indeed our goal is to become fast thinking machines with no common sense whatsoever lol.
Jon L yeah technology is not perfect yet I think his point was that we no longer need to worry so much on remembering when we have technology but I think it's important to still be educated at least a little otherwise your sound dumb asf and we have to keep in mind we are no where near perfect technology I can't ask that question if my phone freezes or my computer dies my Alex or Google home can't recognize my.voice
He doesn't specify for what they don't require a degree, or what they want instead in any specifics. He also doesn't say if he asks for degrees in his organization.
1) Moore's law is about transistors, and he doesn't really tie in the 2x rate.
2) Digital assistants are limited in what they can do. It's easy to replace some tasks, but other more complicated ones aren't replaceable yet. This also isn't new at all, but universities are still around. Actuaries don't manually do most of their work, but someone has to understand what's going on in order to design the systems that simplify others' jobs
3) Online coding courses do not teach you as much as a computer science degree. They're very narrow in comparison.
4) This is a bit of a "we're the young generation, and we know what to do, not you." He calls all curriculum outdated in 18 months, but does what happened 20 years ago change? Computers progress, but computer science doesn't change.
5) His employee doesn't know anything because he got a fine arts degree. Yes, businesses teach specialized skills. They don't want to teach you everything that you would've learned in college because it doesn't make financial sense for them.
6) He doesn't talk much about what they teach or how much those "universities" are respected
7) Yes. Everyone wants to control the narrative. He admits both companies and universities do it, but a university doing it does not mean that a business can't later in your life.
The little cellphone talk at the end doesn't scare universities. That's progress that their research pushed forward. Look back to the founding of the internet. Who was there? Colleges. Research now? Universities like MIT.
I'm dropping out after the semester. College is mostly to get recognition by corporations but corporations are downsizing, outsourcing, offshoring, automating, etc. The gig economy is growing rapidly.
The community college I'm at offers an Entrepreneurship certificate. I scoff at it because anyone who is good at entrepreneurship wouldn't be a teacher. That would be the bane of their existence...
Why would a good entrepreneur want to work for university?
Why after?
"CS degree obsolete in 3 years" tells a lot about you. Especially that you have no idea what Computer Science is. Hint: no, it's not bodging web pages in yet another hip framework.
the only thing my computer science degree help me with was getting my first job. Once I started my career I never used what I learned in college. Ever. My company sent me to technical classes and training seminars for the knowledge I needed to do my job. They could have just as well hired any high school graduate who knew how to code reasonably well.
@@dirremoire Depends what you are doing. CS gives you fundamentals you can build upon. If you are talking about programming then it could be done by trained high/secondary schooler.
@@vaclavblazek Well, I guess it depends on what are considered the fundamentals. Data structures, algorithm design, i/o control, portability. ALL these are considered fundamentals yet each and everyone can be self-taught or learned in high school. Can you think of a fundamental that can't be acquired by a motivated high school kid who loves coding?
@@dirremoire I think you’re ignoring the part that survivorship bias plays in your story. You graduated with a CS degree, many others who attempted didn’t. You were able to self teach yourself tools at work, many other people who attempted weren’t able to. Also, where did you actually learn to code? In your data structures and algorithms class, or did you learn through google and self teaching? At least for my degree, I wasn’t being taught commands, just concepts - the ability to self teach myself new languages was the practice I got doing the problem sets. Also, algorithms is fundamentally a problem solving class, I’ve never had to program my own algorithm from scratch, but I do still refer to what I learned from Algo & data structures to know what library to pull up to solve my problem at hand. I definitely don’t think a cs degree will be obsolete. All the people programming siri and alexa that this guy claims will make cs obsolete is being created by CS PhD’s. That requires more than googling how to code.
Remember 20-80 rule, for every 20% of people make it, 80% of people don’t.
Why doesn’t everyone just go on your company trip to learn the tools you learned and replaced you? It’s probably because your education gave you skills that others don’t possess.
College isn’t there to teach content, it teaches you how to learn.... and possibly teach machines.
When I worked in IT we had a software architect who was probably the smartest person I ever knew. He could foresee where every project could possibly go and built his framework to match the future. That could not possibly have been something he was taught, it was something his vision showed him. Lesser people ended up working for video game developers - a fate worse than death.
This video should be required viewing for every high school student, and the parents of every high school student.
I learned more from youtube than what I did in school what a waste of money to get a piece of paper best scam ever.
Your grammar add punctuation certainly reflects that.
Right.
Yes, but a degree gives you more flexibility...IBM,Apple, Google can hire people to teach from their universities etc because they have the capital and losing money is not that big of a deal..while smaller tighter positions at a smaller company would require more than 1 position from a person would require a degree, so that they feel "comfortable" hiring" them..
Ahmed Hashmi smaller companies will still hire someone who did the « apple » or « google » academy. Let’s see if companies don’t try to again extract 50-80k from gullible students though
@@versastyledio yea, but opportunities would be limited..I know people in the field that won't even look at people's resume without a degree..I hate it, but that's the world we live in..it's stupid yes, but some people would only hire "intelligent" people to get the job done..I was asked recently if I have a degree(I don't), and they kept the interview short from there, and didn't challenge me in the interview further...
No it doesnt
Everything that I required to be successful in life, was learned on the job, or taught to me by the company...
My doctor never went to med school. He's setting me up with a surgeon who got his education on youtube.
My Therapist didn’t go to college. She watched youtube vids about listening to people talk and it has helped me have better conversations with myself.
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See, thats the thing dawg, you actually need school for medical degree 🤣🤣
@@hayder_5472 Naa. UA-cam is just fine. Try the DIY vasectomy. They have a whole series on it.
Best comment. Hey I will learn how to create the next 7G technology by studying on UA-cam. Just watch me.
It cost nearly $100 thousand on a BA just to find out your average and 2 years after graduating no one is going to hire you in whatever field you studied even if you worked internships which many people don't.
I looked up good jobs at google. Most of them had bachelors degree as minimum. Requirement or equivalent experience
or equivalent experience
Igor Alves but how do you get that experience?
@@saullopez602 exactly. who would take the risk of giving someone experience who had no schooling? A person would have to depend on family who owned businesses.
Like he said. They want them at 18, 19 years old to train them just like an apprenticeship program. Of course they accept a 4 year degree right now but who will be more valuable. A person out of college or a person that spent 4 years at Googles apprenticeship program?
Yeah, how does one even get an interview with Google without one?
I am a tenured Associate Professor at a state university. This video is spot on with some of the problems with higher education.
I big brother dropped out in 9th grade and started working under a diesel mechanic, he worked there for a few years and eventually went to work as a diesel mechanic in the oil fields in midland/Odessa and he now makes 120k+ a year
He’s been taking pilot lessons to better himself but the moral of the story is that you really don’t need a degree or diploma to make good money
Till 'rona virus hit
The problem with West Texas is that it's boom or bust. Right now it's BUST. Plus, who wants to live out in the middle of nowhere? Diesel mechanics make more money because there are less of them. Hopefully he learned how to repair the new clean diesels that VW, Audi are producing. That is the future if we stay on fossil fuels.
@@DIVISIONINCISION Well VW & Audi were hit w/ mega colossal fines after cheating for YEARS w/there so called clean diesels. I'm a fan of VW cars but I need only a truck these days (a real good truck) thus I only own a '19 F150 Lariat FX4 w/3.0 Powerstroke turbo diesel. Luxurious as any luxury car.. safer & stronger/more durable than any 1/2 ton. Pricey but you get what you pay for folks.
No, you don't need a degree, but you do need to be educated and there are many ways to achieve that.
Your content is phenomenal. You are always enhancing my knowledge. Keep up the great work!
*True - I was learning about 2 year old software in school. By the time I graduated it was 6 years old, irrelevant and unsupported. I payed 20k for that degree and was then earning what we call minimum wage today 15$.*
I graduated in 1992 with a degree in computer science and upon entering the work force, I realized university was pretty much a lesson in history. I can't imagine what it's like today. A lot of the delay is the curriculum is outdated by the time it gets approved to be a curriculum.
I'm now 21. Last 20 year I spend on school & Colleges but that was totally waste, I learn nothing useful that can I use. They sucked my 20 year. They fed my mind with horrible garbages.
I can bet that how much I learned in just last year the rest were nothing...
Now, I'm doing my best to replace those garbages to usful ones.. :)
@rigoagui another underpaid English teacher pointing face value than what their message trying to tell, poor one, cruel world, also its "too" not "to" 😢, get some rest and ask for a raise
This video doesn't really paint the whole picture, this video only talks about the Computer Science degree graduates.
Companies like Google, Apple, IBM are all tech companies, they can easily train programmers, however, they don't have the time to train Electrical Engineers, or Mechanical Engineers, or Civil Engineers, because those 3 fields don't change as frequently, as the Software Engineering field does. And, it's not easy to turn a student into an Electrical Engineer within 6 months.
And, Universities will still be around, just because Computer Science students are outdated quickly because of fast change in software technology, doesn't mean Universities will be out of businesses.
We still need Doctors, Lawyers, Nurses, Accountants, Mathematicians, Physicists, Chemists, Biologists, Geologists, etc...
these are the types of degrees that no company has the time, money, teachers, nor the campuses to train stuff like this.
So, conclusion, Universities are still in businesses, but those who go to university for a Computer Science degree better watch out, because tech companies don't require a Computer Science degree for programming positions. But, if you still want to be an Engineer, Doctor, Lawyer, Accountant, you still need a degree, because no company is going to train you to become an Engineer or Doctor or anything else.
Good points, defiantly agree on the Electrical field, in the last 25 years it's hardly changed since I have been in the industry in the UK anyway.
strongly disagree, the point of the video is that it is more efficient to learn practical skills on while working in your desired field than to only remember and regurgitate information to pass exams. www.educationcorner.com/the-learning-pyramid.html get familiar with the pyramid of learning, then revisit this video. its what most companies are realizing but are too scared to outright say.
also my engineering school is stuck in the 1930's in terms of taught material. guess where the industry is?
its a new day for all fields of study and the universities are unable to keep up due to their bureaucracy.
@@spacecowboy776
There is not a single mention of the learning pyramid in the video.
Universities are not outdated,
you're not going to get students to become professional Doctors with just training on the job.
The model of teaching by lecture is getting outdated, but Universities are already caught up to date on that, a lot of classes are now offered online, and there are online lectures, and you just have to go to class to give an Exam.
There was no such thing as an online class before the internet.
It's only the Computer Science students who have to be the most careful about getting a college degree.
There is no way you're going to get a Doctor's license in a country without a valid College Degree, and experience.
No company is going to hire an Engineer or Accountant or a lawyer who doesn't have a college degree.
Thank you! I could not say this so clearly!
Pat belittles the importance of education because he was never good at school. Its also a good idea to hire dummies who can’t get a job outside of the company that employs them because they don’t have a degree because you know their not going anywhere and you can pay them minimum wage. (Like what Amazon does)
Pat makes good points but in general getting a college degree gives you options whereas not getting a college degree limits you professionally
I have a masters degree in Mechanical Engineering, own my own firm mechanical construction company and i only hire socially competent Engineers with good soft skills and I teach them marketing , finance and sales.
Teaching an Engineering student sales and marketing is much easier than teaching a marketing guy Engineering
I agree
Well thats a good point
mike a
Agreed. In general the 21st century jobs are in STEM (Science , Technology, Engineering and Math) and healthcare .
It’s very easy to teach an Engineering Marketing and sales , yet it’s extremely difficult to teach a salesman or a marketer Engineering or Healthcare.
The 21st century will belong to STEM professionals who become entrepreneurs (ie Bezos and Musk)
We can do Pats Job, by I’m not 100% sold he can do ours
mike a a girl with a gender studies degree is head of amazon AI initiatives. See, sometimes every degree is useful provided, you take the right aspects of it. I Pats point is moot. Nobody will give you that first boost or that first chance to get any experience without a college degree, especially if your competing with people who have college degrees. Try getting an internship even. Basically, it’s simple, if you want to make money go get a degree. The statistics show people with a college degree have a much much higher earnings per month than those without a degree. Pat is an outlier and doesn’t prove anything. Life is about odds and probability. Your chances of making a lot of money is higher if you have s degree rather than if you don’t. So I want all the “don’t need college” folks to explain that part to me. Are you silly enough to deny statistics? Doesn’t seem very clever or am I missing something??
This could be a good thing or a bad thing. It could end terrible if the company suddenly decides to let go a large chunk of employees to cut back on budget.
I have been waiting for this since 1984 when I registered my first business at the age of 16.... It's about time !!!!
Stem degrees are still extremely important. You wouldn’t want someone who is self taught being a engineer. It’s better for a engineer to have multiple perspectives and be certified
Learning under a competent engineer is a thousand times better than many lecturers
@edwardschlosser1 yeH well look at how many catastrophies happend with degree carrying folks! Bridges collaps, buildings falling over, recalled cars ! Now there is a concept!
They have plenty of programs available . Yes even your job is now obsolete! The system is cracking!!!
Andrew Wong the thing is that you learn one system and aren’t going to be fluid in others
La Deda catastrophes will always happen both by licensed and not licensed
Nice one, Patrick. This was a seriously great video - every single point was excellent. You were about two years ahead of the game with this video. Watching in Feb 2021. Always nice to see a predictive video, preceding the Mar '20 shutdown.