War Thunder - Is it STILL WORTH IT to play with the MiG-29SMT? It SHOULD be BETTER?

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  • @zooloomods
    @zooloomods 4 місяці тому +50

    The MiG-29M uses the same radar as the SMT, the Zhuk-M. : same missiles (R-77 and R-77-1, R-73 and R-73M), same radar, but less weight and better flight performance

    • @code6499
      @code6499 4 місяці тому +2

      Too early to add that. 14.7 plane by far. R-77-1 is vastly superior than the joke of the R-77 we have now. Same with R-73M. I suspect it'll be added whenever the AIM-120C/AIM-9X's get added alongside whatever else damn near OP thing gets introduced.

    • @STRYKER1467
      @STRYKER1467 4 місяці тому +12

      @@code6499 Nothing is too early any more, when they added the Gripen C it allowed pretty pretty much every gen 4.5 to be added.

    • @code6499
      @code6499 4 місяці тому +1

      @@STRYKER1467 The Gripen ingame right now is just the F-16 if it had better dogfighting capability and nearly unlimited countermeasures. It’s not that great.
      Also, every Gen 4.5? You realise that means Eurofighter, Su-30/35, F-15EX, Rafale etc with all their weaponry added all at once? If you think air rb is a pain in the ass now, just wait…

    • @STRYKER1467
      @STRYKER1467 4 місяці тому +4

      @@code6499 Yes and they will come just wait for it, were pretty far already. Su-30 is literally from the 80s its not gen 4.5

    • @devisucarlo7922
      @devisucarlo7922 3 місяці тому +4

      ​​@@code6499 Wtf are you on bro? "Gripen is just F16 with better flight performance" yes, that's why that thing is damn op. Unlimited flare/chaff equals really really high survivability and it is the best at it. It's flight performance are better than the F16 and the F16 literally still flies like an UFO because its overperforming.
      Gripen is one of the best if not the best jet we have in game right now.
      Edit: forgot to mention the fact that Rafale and Eurofighter are probably gonna be in game in December 2024 or in March 2025, we aren't really that far from those jets. I'm also expecting F18 and Su33 soon tbh.

  • @vasilije94
    @vasilije94 3 місяці тому +14

    When the Su27, mig29, f15 and f16, soviet jets were made with insane flight performance and dogfighting in mind. F15 was solely made for BVR while f16 was made for old raid fighting. Its absolutely terrible how much Mig29 and Su27 flight models got nerfed cause of R27ER. Its a joke at this point. And now USA jets get Amrams and better flight performance, now where are the nerfs? And then people scream Russian bias.

  • @planetfun85
    @planetfun85 4 місяці тому +45

    Day 3,737,828,282: Requesting that Gaijin correct the MiG-29 and Su-27 flight models.

    • @christopherchartier3017
      @christopherchartier3017 4 місяці тому +1

      I hope it gets changed but it’s not gonna make these aircraft any more competitive imo

    • @xdhollowpointx
      @xdhollowpointx 4 місяці тому

      They work just fine in sim

    • @xdhollowpointx
      @xdhollowpointx 4 місяці тому

      Via flight models

    • @thatoneguy1741
      @thatoneguy1741 4 місяці тому +3

      @@xdhollowpointx fair but most of the player base is on RB not Sim

    • @yuanfurbax
      @yuanfurbax 4 місяці тому +4

      @@christopherchartier3017 it loses twice as much speed on a turn + turn rate is too low. and that does make the jets more competitive(fair too). in BVR the inferior MiG-29SMT loses 300KPH on a 90 degree turn with 110% afterburner and the much worse ranged R-77 can't compete against the (still fast going) blue side jets. in BFM the R-77 and aim120 are both fine but the thing is. trying to evade the aim120 is very hard bc you either go cold and still get hit bc you just a stalling duck or you defend and lose all your speed too and get a 2nd missile on your head.... and if they not make them more competitive why bother not buffing them. they are the worst flight models, any buff is needed severely

  • @АндрейРемизов-ю8у
    @АндрейРемизов-ю8у 4 місяці тому +14

    best load imho 2x R-27ET 4x R-77.

  • @jayklink851
    @jayklink851 4 місяці тому +19

    Gajin nerfed the hell out of the Mig 29's flight model a while back, and I get it, it had a crazy flight model and R-27ERs. Gajin had do just give it R-27s, or nerf the flight model. But with the mid R-77s, maybe they could give it a more realistic flight model, for the SMT, not the lower br Mig 20s.

    • @FishFlys
      @FishFlys 4 місяці тому +3

      it would be dumb to give the smt better flight model than the lighter mig29s

    • @STRYKER1467
      @STRYKER1467 4 місяці тому +1

      Not only MiG-29 also Su-27.

    • @FishFlys
      @FishFlys 3 місяці тому +1

      @@STRYKER1467 su27 could use drag reduction i agree, should keep AOA but not have the drag-coefficient of a large woman

    • @FutureGohanGlazer
      @FutureGohanGlazer Місяць тому

      @@FishFlysSMT turns better because it has fly by wire irl and the older mig-29s dont which made them very hard to control

    • @FishFlys
      @FishFlys Місяць тому

      @@FutureGohanGlazer irl yeah the avionics make it much easier to get maximum performance out of, but irl 9g is pretty much maximum performance so that’s not super relatively to warthunder maneuverability.
      For example irl the f16 is easier to dogfight with than the f15 because you can’t over g the stick, but in warthunder that doesn’t actually matter that much

  • @thatoneguy1741
    @thatoneguy1741 4 місяці тому +4

    It’s also has crazy acceleration and one of the fastest planes on deck, allowing you to position yourself quite easily

  • @zeriano8590
    @zeriano8590 4 місяці тому +14

    4:17
    WHAT IS THIS MISSILE SPIUIIIIUUUIIINNNNN ♿♿♿♿

  • @christopherchartier3017
    @christopherchartier3017 4 місяці тому +13

    The only aspect of this aircraft that’s outwardly good compared to the competition is the radar. The MICA beats the R-77 at its own game (short-range fox-3), and it’s range is not very competitive with other fox 3’s. Like other fox-2’s, the R-73 even with its IRCCM is pretty easy to avoid when you know how to flare it. The flight performance is bad, there’s no other way of saying it and while the Gsh-30 is fine, I’ll always prefer a reliable Vulcan. Basically it’s a BVR platform without competitive BVR missiles, and it sucks thanks to this. I hope it gets better

    • @nomikomaryu5049
      @nomikomaryu5049 4 місяці тому

      Then you don't know how to fly it.
      I'm talking mainly sim here so FP might be slightly different but not by much, and othe things such as range, radar, CM, etc will be the same.
      The Mig-29SMT is the second fastest Rate Fighter in top tier with F-16C beating it by just .1-.3 seconds if you fly them both optimally. Add on top of that a good 1-circle performance it's easily one of the better bfm fighters in the game.
      Let's go to its arsenal. R-77 is by far the 2nd or 3rd best missile in the game in terms of Fox-3. It has an effective range of 18-15nm when fired above 30,000ft at speeds higher than mach 1.4, compared to the Aim-120A which in the same conditions is effective at 20nm. The R-27ET which I would still say is one of the most lethal weapons the Red's have has a pretty long range, small smoke trail, and fast so it can be fires from a distance and be undetected if used correctly. Now the R-73 easily the best bfm missile in the game when employed correctly which is really close and when the enemy doesn't have his nose on you. Now the R-73 is best with the Su-27 since the Su-27 has a better instantaneous turn rate which can get the HMD real quick making it hard for other aircrafts to see an R-73 coming at them. So weaponry is nothing to slouch at. Just learn how to use them.
      So basically the Mig-29SMT is the 3rd best aircraft in the game (can be bumped down to 4th since the Griphen has the Aim-120 as well however fly the Mig-29SMT right and you'll beat the Griphen pretty much every time)

    • @soysauce6977
      @soysauce6977 4 місяці тому +10

      @@nomikomaryu5049you’re completely wrong what you said does not apply to arb at all “the mig 29smt is the second best rate fighter” what a joke

    • @nomikomaryu5049
      @nomikomaryu5049 4 місяці тому +1

      @@soysauce6977 In Sim it's the second best rate fighter and I even said FP will probably not be the same but missile performance, CM. Etc would be exactly the same...try actually reading next time

    • @immentallunstable111
      @immentallunstable111 4 місяці тому +8

      @@nomikomaryu5049 i've read 3 verses of your comment and stopped at the "second fastest rate fighter in top tier" part. Whatever you write afterwards, it most probably doesn't apply to Air RB at all.

    • @nomikomaryu5049
      @nomikomaryu5049 4 місяці тому

      @@immentallunstable111 then you didn't actually read. I said FP was going to be off, but things just as missile ranges, CM. Etc wouldn't.....no wonder Red's suffer, they can't even read correctly

  • @GeneralArmchair
    @GeneralArmchair 4 місяці тому +5

    I want to like the Russian planes but I'm mothballing my russian tree until major updates happen. Right now I feel that it's safe to say that the flight models of the Mig-29 and Su-27 are those of planes that want to standoff and snipe with missiles and avoid close range knife fights. However their flagship missiles of the R-77 and R-73 are those that want to be used up close. I don't see anything changing until Russia either gets new missiles or new planes.

    • @RylanTempleton-w5l
      @RylanTempleton-w5l 4 місяці тому

      I’m a USSR main and yeah I’ve left the tree because I’m out ranged, out preformed, and got no solid chance in sim

    • @GeneralArmchair
      @GeneralArmchair 4 місяці тому

      @@RylanTempleton-w5l I had one use in mind for the Su-27SM: Load it up with Kh-29T's and secure easy anti-mech rewards for the Thunderer wager. Nobody attacks ground targets at top tier, so a volley of Kh-29t's could easily get 4 pillbox kills from outside of spamraam range. Then you could land to get an extra four kills for good measure.
      One problem though: Unlike the other wagers, Anton has forgotten to expand the maximum vehicle rank restriction on the wager to rank 8. I'll probably need to wait for rank 9 planes for this to get fixed.

    • @HackbyAlex
      @HackbyAlex 3 місяці тому

      even if russia gets like su35, usa will get f25, i doubt usa will stop being op simply gajin is milking Americans with all the premiums and new jets it gives them

  • @VisibleToThePublic
    @VisibleToThePublic 4 місяці тому +3

    I have a lot better luck using the 27er instead of the r73 in dogfights, and in place of the r77 too.
    Which says a lot about the state of the game. In my opinion.

  • @F-14-W
    @F-14-W 4 місяці тому +4

    Someone plz leak sum classified documents so we can finally get a better mig29 and su27 flight models

    • @code6499
      @code6499 4 місяці тому

      leaking it wont do anything since gaijin have said... numerous times... that they cant act on leaked documents. only publicly available/confirmed info

  • @łœs-l9c
    @łœs-l9c 4 місяці тому

    Your vids are hitting si hard in the summer holidays

  • @siett1335
    @siett1335 4 місяці тому +2

    Another bug is vehicle backups arnt working

  • @code6499
    @code6499 4 місяці тому +1

    SMT should have almost the same turning performance as the F-15A/C. The way it turns now is fine (assuming you enjoy carrying minimal internal fuel and a drop tank) but it should be better. It should not turn almost as badly as the Su-27 which is essentially a bomber compared to this. If anything it should be able to stay with the F-16 like the F-15s and Gripens can. Not saying it should be overwhelmingly good but (comparison incoming) DCS MiG-29 (like the Su-27) are vastly different airframes even in War Thunder Sim Battles.
    In terms of if it's worth it to fly? Absolutely. You try suddenly trying to notch when 3 different missiles are coming your way and your Su-27 takes 2 centuries to turn 90deg or any kind of sustained turn without falling out of the sky. It also has more countermeasures, a radar second to none (except maybe Mirage radars in terms of range), the fastest missiles in the game (R-27ER/ET) and the best IRCCM missiles (R-73, R-27T/ET).

  • @SuperTitoneli
    @SuperTitoneli 4 місяці тому +1

    I would say that it has the best radar set of the game for now and this is all...

  • @Idk-cz9ms
    @Idk-cz9ms 4 місяці тому +1

    Really that’s a bug with r73 I’ve been using the su 27 and thought I just launched them in a way it couldn’t be still get more kills than aim 9m with it

  • @Murre__435
    @Murre__435 4 місяці тому +1

    Mat could you make a little tutorial how you report bugs?

  • @Anthony1102www
    @Anthony1102www 4 місяці тому +6

    Bro SMT got R77, at least playable. You should take the vids for 29G instead of SMT, helping people without AHM is more useful

    • @spongegobler3449
      @spongegobler3449 4 місяці тому +4

      I play the 29G a lot and the closest thing you can get to these new aircrafts is to switch your radar to IRST and using the 27ET’s. You pretty much need to rely on your enemy not looking around because you won’t ping their radar

    • @joaopedroqueiroz6148
      @joaopedroqueiroz6148 4 місяці тому

      @@spongegobler3449 Nailed It!

    • @Anthony1102www
      @Anthony1102www 4 місяці тому

      @@spongegobler3449 agree, when i was grinding for f4fice also do the same thing.
      Germany Suffer

    • @TallyPatka-dz2cz
      @TallyPatka-dz2cz 4 місяці тому +1

      the thing is 13.0 which lets it fight f4s, in this current meta the mig 29g is nicer to use for their BR compared to the mig29smt

    • @STRYKER1467
      @STRYKER1467 4 місяці тому

      Germany doesnt have any further soviet jets thats the last one, there is only the Eurofighter left for them, this makes germany by far the weakest nation for air.

  • @nightnovis
    @nightnovis 4 місяці тому +6

    yes but gaijin, mig-29m when?

    • @STRYKER1467
      @STRYKER1467 4 місяці тому

      can be skipped in favor of MiG-35

    • @nightnovis
      @nightnovis 4 місяці тому +2

      @@STRYKER1467 yeah but a lot of us mains are gonna cry about adding this "modern" plane

  • @yuanfurbax
    @yuanfurbax 4 місяці тому +5

    Warthunder is shit now: berfore the update the red team had the superior BVR range and Very close range and the blue team had the superior radar, RWR, canon(RPM and rounds), more countermeasures, better flight performance, very good short to medium range, best cas.
    but now the red team before the bugfix/buffs: R-77 had the worse pull, worse range + the rest. now still after the bugfixes R-77 finally usable but still blue team with 19KM HMD with the R-27ER ranged aim120 it's OP ontop of the rest. and somehow usanians still complaining about Russian bias. Also everyone says that the Su-27SM never carried the R-77 but the R-77-1. the aim120a can easly compete against the R-77-1. the R-77-1 still worse than aim120a except pull. they NEED to fix the R-73 wobble and give atleast our R-77-1 or the normal flight performance since the Missile META on the red team isn't in their side anymore means they can get their nerfed flight performance to counter the former Missile META back to normal!

    • @zehi04
      @zehi04 4 місяці тому

      bro is asking for a 2015 missile against a 90's missile

    • @yuanfurbax
      @yuanfurbax 4 місяці тому +3

      @@zehi04 and? it's about balance not historical accuracy lol. would funny seeing IS-4M and MAUS on 6,0-6,7

    • @zehi04
      @zehi04 4 місяці тому

      @@yuanfurbax it also wouldn't be balanced, the r77-1 fixes the range issue of the drag fins that the r77 had, that would mean that the aim120a and r77-1 would be easily comparable in range, but not in maneouverability, both would be amazing for long ranges, but the aim120 would be severly overpowered by the r77-1 at distances lower than 10km

    • @yuanfurbax
      @yuanfurbax 4 місяці тому

      @@zehi04 the R-77-1 is the exact same as R-77, it just has a little better motor which gives gives a bit more range but in range it's still quite a bit lower than aim120a. and both are enough in 10km, sure within 2-3km R-77-1 will morelikely hit, but you can HMD lock much further and earlier with the 19KM + aim120a than the 10km R-77-1.

    • @zehi04
      @zehi04 4 місяці тому

      @@yuanfurbax the aim120a has got a severe maneouverability nerf, the fin aoa went from 34° to 23° , after tests it showed the r77 pulls 40g at 1.8mach while the aim120 pulls 22g at 1.8mach, that's a considerable difference that's very important for higher ranges, and as for the "r77-1 just gets a better motor" yes, and they fix the drag fins which increases it's range by a good amount, all the missile needs for range is a good motor which the r77-1 has

  • @pizzanut180
    @pizzanut180 4 місяці тому +1

    DO this with the F5C

  • @theannihilator9167
    @theannihilator9167 4 місяці тому

    im more interested in like is the first Su-27 still worth it? i dont think so. Im spading it right now to grind the Su-27SM and its total dogshit right now. Whats the best playstyle? staying low and get close to the enemy? Its useless now in BVR cause the shitty radar cant handle the R-27ER any more. Once it was the best radar missle with the most range, now its just bad on 13.3/13.7...!

  • @MidnightSilv
    @MidnightSilv 2 місяці тому

    Problem is the Base Mig-29 is 12.7 while The F-15A is still 12.3 with better IR and flight performance. Nice decompression gaijin.

  • @ScottishSquirrel_
    @ScottishSquirrel_ 4 місяці тому +1

    We need to buff the R-77 more

    • @code6499
      @code6499 4 місяці тому

      kinda hard to buff the r-77 when it has no sustainer and grid fins that act as airbrakes in dense air lol

    • @ScottishSquirrel_
      @ScottishSquirrel_ 4 місяці тому +1

      @@code6499 why not artificially buff it? AIM-9M was garbage irl

    • @mangosuppe8706
      @mangosuppe8706 4 місяці тому

      It will sadly just stay as a bad mica, maybe things will be better when the r77-1 is dropped alongside 120d/c

    • @STRYKER1467
      @STRYKER1467 4 місяці тому

      R-77 is made in ukraine during soviet times, they need to add the post soviet russian R-77-1

  • @dwal3486
    @dwal3486 4 місяці тому

    Ive had the same experience since aim 120s and r77 where added. the R77s dont seem to perform too much better than r27s did. and absolutely they broke r73s.

    • @justinhorkman4345
      @justinhorkman4345 4 місяці тому

      Agreed…50% of the time my R73’s won’t lock anything…and if they do, and I get tone, they won’t come off the rail…also haveing a big issue with locking the ground.

    • @tomfahey2823
      @tomfahey2823 4 місяці тому

      ​@@justinhorkman4345I haven't had problems with lock or launch, but I feel like their IRCCM performance is vastly inferior now. In the past, they were basically unflareable, whereas now they seem to miss roughly half the time.
      In all honesty, given how good they were before, I could accept that nerfing them, for balance sake, wasn't entirely unreasonable...until you factor in how ridiculously powerful the new AIM-120/MICA-ER/Darters are.

    • @justinhorkman4345
      @justinhorkman4345 4 місяці тому +1

      @@tomfahey2823 I play in Sim exclusively, could be something only related to that…but you are correct with how easy it is to flare off missiles now though. I’ve personally noticed most with incoming Aim 9M’s…before you had to dump countermeasures like crazy…now one or two pops and you are clear.

    • @tomfahey2823
      @tomfahey2823 4 місяці тому +2

      @@justinhorkman4345 It's very frustrating, given how varied the capability gap is in terms of radars and Fox 3 missiles between different planes.
      I know everyone traditionally complains about the furball, but I personally feel that if they make ARH missiles the only viable weapon in air battles, they're going to completely kill the game.

  • @YF23BlackWidowll
    @YF23BlackWidowll 3 місяці тому

    theres no way the SMT is the same br as the F4F ICE

  • @sportella5575
    @sportella5575 3 місяці тому

    How do you move those 2 brakets in radar to focus on enemy plane?

  • @colibri2025
    @colibri2025 4 місяці тому

    Well 13.3 with the best radar in the game *(imo)* so probably yeah

  • @roebuckpayne
    @roebuckpayne 4 місяці тому

    It’s definitely broken. The r73 is not functioning correctly. In terms of balancing it should honestly operate like a longer range magic2

    • @FutureGohanGlazer
      @FutureGohanGlazer Місяць тому

      Irl wise it never had IRCCM :D they could have fixed the issue of giving R-73 to early mig-29s by removing the IRCCM and add R-73M to Su-27SM and Mig-29SMT which actually has gate width IRCCM

  • @brokenpenguin-ob4gr
    @brokenpenguin-ob4gr 3 місяці тому

    The problem are simply the R77

  • @DJRaffa1000
    @DJRaffa1000 4 місяці тому +1

    Make the same video for the mig-29G 😅😂

    • @STRYKER1467
      @STRYKER1467 4 місяці тому

      MiG-29G is just a GDR one which was send to west germany after unification, they added the R-73 literally in the last months of the soviet union but thats it.

    • @DJRaffa1000
      @DJRaffa1000 4 місяці тому

      @@STRYKER1467 what i speciffically meant was the sentiment that the 29SMT is lacking.
      And then for my "joke" part that the 29G is basically an SMT with no access to fox3 missiles which makes it be stuck on 2 R27ER and then only the (sometimes buggy) R73s

    • @STRYKER1467
      @STRYKER1467 4 місяці тому +1

      @@DJRaffa1000 Its not an SMT its not even an S its a regular export MiG-29 (9-12A) with a few systems reworked to match the nato system but overall still soviet R-73 was added in the end for test purposes, but thats it, but i would love to add something very important both the Marineflieger Tornado as well as the ASSTA.1 are both capable of using the IRIS-T missile, they werent added yet because that missiles will most likely break the current missile meta its kinda like the AIM-9X Block II but with better G pull were talking about atleast 78G pull here, and its almost resistent to flares just like the AIM-9X Block II, for russian terms you can compare it with the R-74

    • @DJRaffa1000
      @DJRaffa1000 4 місяці тому

      @@STRYKER1467 IRIS-T would be awesome, but it would indeed break a lot of things.
      If it works as "intended" it will be a near 100% kill rate and that will make air battles really not fun.
      (and good to know that the G is basically a "basic" mig-29)

    • @STRYKER1467
      @STRYKER1467 4 місяці тому

      @@DJRaffa1000 Yes the MiG-29G should be lower, i assume it recieved the higher br just because the R-73.

  • @avantyofi_eri
    @avantyofi_eri 3 місяці тому

    for me mig29 smt is better then any su27 in game

  • @rav3727
    @rav3727 4 місяці тому

    The R-77s are shit, they did something weird to the R-73s and they're not hard to flare anyways aswell, and the worst, the plane is a flying airbrake just like the flankers, russian bias ig

  • @G3ntl3man95
    @G3ntl3man95 4 місяці тому

    And mig 29G?

  • @Bad_Karma777
    @Bad_Karma777 4 місяці тому +4

    😭

    • @plymouth258
      @plymouth258 4 місяці тому

      :/

    • @thatoneguy1741
      @thatoneguy1741 4 місяці тому

      Gotta show em how it’s done Karma 💪🏾

    • @Wuelfheze
      @Wuelfheze 4 місяці тому +1

      I fondly remember watching your video on the SMT and you saying that: "It's a good plane, you just need to listen to what it wants from you." Me personally, the MiG-29SMT is definitely up there and very much so is a threat. Damn what these people say about 1-2 circle nonsense.

  • @theeradicator110
    @theeradicator110 4 місяці тому

    MatAWG can you make a vid abt the Baz Meshupar?

  • @peaceofhell1
    @peaceofhell1 4 місяці тому

    There is no single reason to play ussr top jets at all. They are complete shit in game reality.

  • @logicmaster756
    @logicmaster756 4 місяці тому

    Smt Soitsmissileletrain