Test&Review Ranch Fairy, High FOC Arrow Kit From Sirius Archery Full Process. IS IT WORTH IT?? $$
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- I am building a more customized hunting set up and wanted to step into the world of FOC and see if its something I can apply and be useful to my setup. I am using the high FOC test kit by Sirius Archery & Ranch Fairy.
Ranch Fairy 300/250 spine test kit:
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Awesome video.. thank you for the support...💪
I was thinking of the kit recently, though I haven’t pulled the trigger yet. Still doing mental gymnastics.🙂 Thanks for the video.
Paper tune untill bullet hole.perfect launch is doable.
Great info video. I shot the same draw length and draw weight. Very informative
Thank you..Switching to a heavy spine arrow and bumping up my FOC is one of the best choices I have ever made ...250 spine 28 inches carbon to carbon with 100 grain insert and sleeve with 125 grain broadhead is what I shoot now..for me it's a great ..hits like a hammer and still fast enough in the 20 to 50 yard range
@@whitetailtherapy7908 awesome! Thank you for the information! That's what I was thinking about setting up. And playing with a 125 or 150 broadhead!
Thats a super quiet Bow
Shorten your drawlength 1/2"-1" your bow arm is completely locked straight and when you anchor your pulling your head back to get to your anchor point. You want a relaxed bow arm (slight bend) at the elbow. You will shoot more consistent.
Thats funny you say that.. after watching the video when I first posted it I notice my head going back and my hips going forward .. ended up shortening it by 1/2 and feels great
Your a brave man testing new arrow weights and shooting on your truck bed.
Cut full length 300 spine arrows to 28 and 3/4” with 375 grains up front with 26% FOC… 71pounds at a 31” draw. Shoots lasers. Nock tuned each bare shaft to get perfect flight. No chrony numbers yet.
I use a 125gr head. I will be going with 100gr insert with a 20gr weight. As for FOC, If you're over 12% your OK. 15-17% is pretty darn good. Over that is icing on a cake. Changing over to Sirius too. knock right might be:
"for right-handed
compound archers using a mechanical
release (CR). However, it can occur and generally
indicates that the arrow rest position is too far to the right
or that there is possible vane contact on the inside of the
launcher rest."
I spent a ton of time a few years ago trying to get a Recurve tuned. It was so frustrating that I gave it up and went right back to the compound. I have noticed that as I've started going a little heavier, the penetration is getting better. Now, after watching Mr. Fairy, I have a better idea of what to do so I ordered a test kit for the trad bow. But, once I've got that one dialed in, I will be getting a test kit for the compound this year. My only goal is to find that perfect arrow combo and move to a single bevel cut on contact.
It looks like your draw length is a touch long.
Good review and great ability to keep an open mind while understanding there is a balance.
Man I feel really diving into the heavy arrows has opened alot of possibilities from just wanting a hammer of a rig to people with light draw weights..And I always go all the way..this was just a text to see as it all sits what is shooting the best out of the bow..I then took all the arrows and nock tuned them through paper and fletched them..and just kept my best shooting for hunting and the rest for practice..and none shot bad such little difference that I myself don't notice when fletched ..just a peice of mind thing ..yeah my draw was a little long..once I done this video I actually could watch myself shoot and seen my hips pushed out... So I watched John dudley school of nock and really critiqued everything I was doing .. ended up shorten by a half inch and then D loop just a little smaller and made a world of difference.. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I noticed your target moves every time you hit it. Don't think that will give you correct knock right/left. Also, I don't care how good of a shot I am, I'm NEVER shooting AT my truck, lol!!!
Yeah it moves a little ...doing this was a very broad test seeing if ones were more extreme then others. When actually tuning I bare shaft through paper & nock tune until I get perfect bullet holes at 21 feet. I figured if worse thing happens atleast it's only gonna be cosmetic 🤣
@@whitetailtherapy7908 Full disclosure....I went through the whole "process" last year and settled on a 562 gr. arrow with 250 gr. up front. I can say that I will absolutely never go back. Love the way the arrow flies, the way the shot feels and the great penetration. IMHO, it's a game changer.
Hey buddy I know I’m late but wanted to say I also run 250 grains up front. I use the 100 grain stainless steel inserts that have cutting grooves and then I cut down to 50 grains. I think Sirius sells 50 grain inserts now.
Anyway great video. 👍🏼
You’d be better off shooting through paper. Imperfections and differences in material in the target can cause the arrow to go in crooked. Especially if it’s not a brand new block. Also there appears to be some wind that can change the arrow flight too.
For my hunting arrows I do shoot through paper and nock tune every arrow.. this was just to give me a general idea of how they were flying 👍
Good video dude! I changed to heavy arrow setup and single bevels in 2021. Glad I did! And I’ve learned more about my arrows and bow since starting this.
Great video! I bought a package from GrizzlyStik and should've done the dew diligence with a test kit. They told me I should order the 320 spine and I wanted the 200gr Samurai Overkill broadhead. Spent 3 weeks in a tuning hell. Finally realized I was under spined. Went to the local shop to get something to hunt with (opening day is 3 days away) that would work with my 200gr Samurai's and came across the Victory Xtorsion 250. Bought one to test, came with a 50gr insert, and starting shooting darts! Had them cut me 5 more. 666gr today arrow weight with somewhere around 15-17% F.O.C. I shoot Mathews Creed 65# 29"draw. Loving the penetration and flight of these things!
Doesn't Black Eagel have 50gr out serts?? ..
As for your pins.. have you looked at the EZ V sight?? Frame it and claim it.
Really nice 👍 thanks!!!
I went down the RF kit rabbit hole spring 2020. Dang glad I did. Troy set me straight literally on my set up and mind set. Bare shaft paper tuned the whole 9 yards. On 11/7 last year I put a 550 gr 19% foc 300 spine Apollo at 62lbs. threw the scapula of a 125” buck and he only went 70 yards. Thanks for sharing your opinion and experience. Hunt Happy Hunt Safe.
Having an arrow that can do that is a huge improvement for any hunter.. Iv never had a problem with loosing deer but I really wanted to see what all the fuss was about and to find out if a heavier , higher FOC arrow was more forgiving and from the shooting iv done it deff shows they are. I wasn't wanting something so heavy just because some set ups I may not be able to range more then once . 100 grain outsert system on 250 spine with 150 grain cutthroat at 72 lbs.. bareshaft pepper tuned and then each arrow nock tuned barehaft and then fletch..These things are hammers! Thanks for watching !
my draw weight is same as yours. what's your arrow length? what grain insert and outsert(collar)?
Great video! Hard to tell but from my perspective the bow sounds quieter with the heavier weight? IDK could be me
More mass to absorb vibration= quieter bow
When I switched to heavier arrow setups it definitely made my bow quieter.
Wow! Love this vid! I went the other route. Instead of going heavier draw I went lighter! Shooting a 350 vap elite 29" with 175 grains upfront and nocktunals at 60 lbs shoots lazers and with muzzy 125's I get pass throughs no matter the shot placement. Sitting at 15% foc. I'm a happy grandpa with these arrows!
Thanks for watching! And sounds like a solid set up. It's all about what shoots best for your bow. Finding that sweet spot makes all the difference. I can't wait to actually get to shoot a deer with them we have been filming for our foodplot videos and man its making me miss being 20 ft high on a nice brisk morning! If you havent allready make sure you hit that subscribe button to get notified on new videos!
@@whitetailtherapy7908 subscribing for sure!
Close in shots are more complicated then it seems! Shot a descent 8 last year, big body and he came straight to me turned my stance a little past him already had my bow in my hand because I heard it coming in, I was looking for these 2 does anyways, he cuts a left walking away as I drew and as I drew he made a left so now he was perfectly quarted had him in my peep, hit him with the mahhh, stops, im already anchored up even with his front leg, barely had any light left, start pulling shoulders together and thwap when the arrow smacked he let out a big death grunt, upon recovery arrow entered above left shoulder through top of right lung and exited the pit and right upper leg, glanced off leg bone and 1 blade on the muzzy had a little chatering.
@@danielcondon1607 That's awesome man glad you had a great recovery. And when your up in a tree and a deer gets close all the angles change its a thing where 'aiming for the exit' becomes a huge factor one thing I have noticed for myself is my anchor point being elevated in a tree was not always the same place throwing off my shot placement a little. I will be doing a video on what I done to fix this and it's made a huge difference with my accuracy. Alot of times my shots from a stand where always higher then where I was aiming even through my pin was right where I wanted it.
@@whitetailtherapy7908 same here, now I draw straight like I'm on the ground and bend at the hip until my brain says bingo! If brain doesn't say all systems go I let down.
I am currently running 300 spine with 275 up front for 20 % foc however might try to go for even more as I just got an elite Kure with the set technology so as long as close I can get bullet holes with different weights and spines gonna start trying 250 spine with 400 up front 😂
Did anyone noticed the target move so can’t get an accurate look. But understand what’s going on.
The target does jump a little..And like I have said before in comments I am not trying to tune the bow doing this .. This is a straight down the middle tuned bow..And just seeing how the spines react to adding weight ..If you were trying to tune like this it would probably run you in circles . What I was doing is eliminating by the extreme difference..so just doing this test showed I wasn't going to shoot a 300 spine.. But the 250 had a huge range of options to work with.. And then I nock tune every arrow through paper and then fletch. Thanks for watching!
What you said about ranging is why they made the ezv sight you use the right one for the speed of your arrow you put the kill zone where it fits in the v and that’s where the arrow is supposed to go it’s math you just have to know how fast your arrow is moving to get the right insert
Yeah I know about the sight and it'd just not really my thing . I would rather have a full metal sight and housing and be able to put my pin where I want to..I get the concept just personally it's not for me
Just a recommendation, u should shoot into a foam target rather then a bag because when ur arrows hit the cloth on the inside, they have a tendency to move and will shift the whole back of the arrow around. If u want to know exactly how those lines back to where ur shooting look, u should try a foam target, much more accurate results.
That is a foam target its not a bag. And this was just a general test to get a rough idea .. to see extreme differences ..Then I pick the best ones and sight in to see if I am OK with the amount of arrow drop. Then I bareshaft tune my dozen arrows through paper. Thanks for watching !
@@whitetailtherapy7908 ah, my bad was hard to tell looked like a bag on screen.
Really enjoyed this video, you seem like a homie! The photos with the lines were a great idea.
Hell yeah man! I'm trying to get better at being myself on camera lol still a little awkward but I think I'm getting better. Thanks it was kinda a last minute idea while not having alot of editing experience I didn't want the concept to get lost so I figured it would be alot easier to understand this way.. Appreciate you watching and the Sub 💪
You have a new sub from mizoram....
Loved the video
Thanks! Still in the process of learning the video editing stuff but hopefully I am improving lol. Thanks for watching and make sure to check out our other videos and subscribe!
And that target was moving way to much to give accurate results which it why same spine and tip was showing different results wouldn’t take much movement to make big difference in angle
Seth is amazing from Sirius archery
They make an amazing product. I little pricey to build a full dozen but they are great arrows and like I said in the video I'd rather give my money to a small company that really cares about their customers. Thanks for watching!
@@whitetailtherapy7908 but when ya think of what they do with that dozen arrows . Spine index wraps fletch and square up both ends and get you to a target weight on the arrows . I'll keep buying from them my self and look at doing the Orion arrows for my pse
@@RobertKearl-Outdoor-Adventures yeah man I'm gonna continue to buy from them. At first I wasn't sure I built and tuned some arrows for someone that were Easton Pro Comp 250s and iv never seen an arrow that straight so when I got my siruis I was expecting them to be just like the pro comp and at first was kinda like man for the price I dont think they are worth it.. I looked up how much the pro comp arrows were and like 200$ more a dozen lol. So I got to give credit were credit is do even a little pricey siruis has some great arrows I can't say they were like the pro comps I worked on but they were also half the price so deff work what they ask
@@whitetailtherapy7908 going from Easton bloodline 330 arrows to these guys it's a big difference for me .
@@RobertKearl-Outdoor-Adventures I could see that. All arrows are not created equal hoping to talk some more clients into shooting siruis arrows to really get a good idea of how everyone likes them
Ain't you worried with the target on the tailgate?lol
My first shot I was a little , thinking man don't shoot the truck but once I shot and seen where they were hitting I felt alot better lol
I believe ethics archery offers the outsert your looking for....
Yes they do. Found some that are 60 grain so I can beef up on broadhead weight and keep my arrow weight the same. Thanks for watching!
The stainless halfserts are able to be changed, or mine are. You can cut the pieces off. Great review. I have yet to shoot mine in to figure out what my bow likes.
@@XtremeBUZZ yes the halfserts can be modified. I ended up going with an outsert system for my hunting arrows for better strength. With how well this video is doing I may do one on my decision and how I built them what inserts, broadhead, fletching size and style..Thanks for watching and appreciate the sub!
@@whitetailtherapy7908 NP, I’m trying to get content for my channel up and recently picked up my bow so I’ll probably start covering content on bows aswell, I haven’t been able to find videos on my bow I got, it’s a 2021 so I might try to get some gobblers with it.
What brand of bow? And yeah man it's tough trying to build a channel. So many people are doing the same and have better equipment and more money and time to spend on everything they do. Just never give up keep posting and keep getting better, thats my plan I think video editing is a huge part of it learning how to make a smooth video and all the tricks people use. Obviously I'm still learning it all also lol..Goodluck man and hope to see your bow video soon!
One of the biggest things for me is the structural integrity, and having a broadhead that is about 200, you get thicker and better steel. Great video though, you're still not gonna be shooting a twizzler with 250gr up front and looks like you should have perfect arrow flight. Best of luck this season.
Thank you! Making sure your arrow and broadhead don't just fly apart is a huge benefit lol. I am really happy with the 250 spine with 100 grain outsert system and 150 grain point. Bareshaft & nock tune though paper then fletch and they are complete hammers. This season will be my first season filming hunts so hopefully il have some awesome footage to share . Good luck to you on the upcoming season also. Check out our other videos and make sure you subscribe if you haven't allready!
@@whitetailtherapy7908 what broadhead you running, I do want to try and get a long range arrow for pronghorn if I draw a tag
@@tylersuchy672 I haven't committed to one yet lol..But I have been leaning toward the cutthroat single bevel 150..reviews seem great and at a decent price point. I know I want to go cut on contact there are just so many options lol
@@whitetailtherapy7908 those are sick broadheads, and single bevels are just a whole new level of crazy
@@whitetailtherapy7908 Just bought the 150gr cut throat single bevels. Got them in the S7 steel, which is supposed to be the primo steel. I’m going to run basically the exact arrow you are with a Bear bow, but with a 65lb draw weight.
Can’t be the only one that watched this thinking he’d hit his truck but the end of it
I shot a couple before this just to make sure it wasn't flying sideways lol.. But having my whole bow tuned and dialed in probably saved me from putting one into the side of the truck 🤣
Your knock right on 2nd shot all the time because you shoot left side first bumping target left then bump it right. So with moving target how is this an accurate test for yourself or viewers?
The target has weight on top of it its not moving a ton..and thats not causing my extreme nock right on the 300 spine arrows.. what's causing it is being 300 spine on a heavy draw with over 250 grains up front lol. Why didn't the 250 spine shoot as bad nock right ? And also this is a test just to get a general idea.. I am not tuning anything in this video. All I wanted to see was a certain weight and certain spine all around more forgiving.. 300 spine were fine until I started getting higher into the weights and both 1st and 2nd shot were getting worse and worse ..If the target moving a little was causing my nock right why was I only extreme nock right on the 300 spine?
@@whitetailtherapy7908 I'd guess it's compounding of small issues, amplifying visual outcome. You are correct that heavy poundage will flex a 300 or any spine more with more tip weight. I may be wrong but I believe his theory of this kit is similar to me changing powder charge in rifle hand loads to find a consistent vibration for accuracy as arrow leaves rest and string. Does this really work with arrow being it's not a bullet leaving flexing barrel idk. I'm playing around myself. I'm finding I can shoot bare shafts out to 30 yards into a round bale of hay and keep a 4 inch group with 125g heads. Good straight arrow flight is best 20 yards and under. I'm also in middle of setting up new bear redemption I purchased so I'm doing a bunch of stuff at once and don't have all the answers myself. Moving target is just something I noticed and remembered clip of Troy sticking teeth out as he hit visor with arrow and started mumbling about Zanax.
@@paulclarke5515 yeah I know his concept to the kid but I kinda added my own concept to it .. I wasn't really worried about being a certain FOC or chasing that.. I wanted to see how forgiving the high FOC and the heavy arrow with a stiff spine would be.. if I didn't see any difference I probably wouldn't have even built ranch fairy style arrows. Basically what I done is shot them all and just seen what ones shot the best that were in my overall weight limit..ended up choosing 150 grain cutthroat with the 100 grain outsert system.. paper tuned a little with bareshaft at 21 ft and then nock tuned them until they shot perfect bullet holes in paper at the same distance . I wanted to upload a video going through how I did it but I have been renovating my bathroom.. so hopefully soon I will get a chance to explain how I went about it and my end results
@@whitetailtherapy7908 very cool. My father always preached heavy head. Said if I couldn't judge yardage then get better at it and don't worry about how flat arrow shoots. Also said when balancing arrow on finger it should be forward of center a few inches. Idk where he got this info in 70s and 80s but all of his hand me down gear I killed bucks. I bought new bows and high tech carbon arrows at the time it was new and an array of heads. Boy can I run a blood trail now. Lol. But I seen videos like Troy's and yours and thp. These videos you guys put out made me think of what was and what is.. the younger hunters in their 20s may never have seen what was. I enjoy being made to think. Thank you for the content and good luck with the renovation.
Did you cut 28 1/4 carbon to carbon with a 29 draw? Are you planning to shoot single bevels or?
Yes I plan on shooting single bevel. Maybe cutthroat 150s.. I mocked it up make sure nothing hits. And as far as my hand I don't shoot with any part of my hand over the shelf
@@whitetailtherapy7908 Gotcha. I'm starting to tune up for 150 or 175 Grizzlies or Tuffheads for next elk season so I'm diving hard into these high FOC videos and the test kits from Sirius. What's the main difference between the Apollos and the Vulcans?
@@ArchieRLib I want to say that vulcans are just a different inside diameter. My apollos are .204 which is an X size nock.
@@ArchieRLib And the world of sledgehammer arrows is awesome! I can tell they hit way harder and in my opinion they are more forgiving downrange. The test kit is awesome , it's kinda pricey for 4 arrows that you may not use for hunting but I just changed a couple buddies 10 bucks to use them and made my money back lol. You plan on nock tuning and everything?
@@whitetailtherapy7908 Yep the whole nine yards. I got my bow squared yesterday (a first for me, lol) so I'm just waiting for the kit so I can start from scratch and work my bow's load up all the way through. I'm a long time hunter but brand new to archery. This looks like a great system for bow hunting the way I'd like to do it. Thanks for your videos!
Bareshaft and shoot a fletched and compare
plenty of 50 Gn inserts on the market....
Yeah I just wasn't sure what type of combos people offer.. I really wanted to stick with the outsert sytem to help beef things up and wanted to use stainless over aluminum. I found what I was wanting, thanks for watching!
Way too windy for this test
Actually wasn't to windy with me and the target being right behind the barn. And this is just a general test to see which combinations I wanted to try indoor shooting through paper...thanks for watching!
Thanks for posting this. Real helpful. I'm gonna get a test kit of the apollos and get tuned up for next year. Gotta rock what I got this year.
I've seen your comments somewhat addressing this but I noticed that pretty much every single arrow appeared to be knock right. If you go back and watch every shot I'm a little concerned that shooting the right side of the target on your second shot every time gave the illusion that the heavier you got the more knock right it was.. It could be from the block moving more with each heavier/harder hitting arrow.. Did you adjust the block or have some way of knowing exactly what position it was in and resetting it before measuring?
It makes a huge difference. Definitely taking the time and building them yourself from the ground up .. And as far as the target I woukd either step over to be square with the target or adjust it . Just depends how much it moved . And I only started getting wild with the 300 spine the 250 stayed pretty true and the 250 is a heavier arrow just by itself. And like I have said it was a very rough test I was never going to tune my bow like this . I just wanted to weed out any combination that was to extreme .. I then bareshaft through paper until maybe 1/2 tear and then I nock tune every single arrow by itself until its a bullet hole then fletch..Thanks for watching!
Ez v bow site
Not sure what you mean by that lol
Paper tune, walk back tune maybe frenchton. Fair shaft tuning too many variables too much time hard to read the true effects. Ifoc for whitetail and pigs and debatable!!
After shooting through and seeing what shoots the best that is also in the overall weight range I want . I go and paper tune and nock tune every arrow until I shoot bullet holes at 21 feet. I can do 6 arrows in a couple hours . It's worth it to me and you shouldn't have a bunch of bad readings if your bow is tuned and your form is consistent. But whatever works for the shooter is going to be best for them
The test kit is solely for seeing what spine/tip weight combo your bow likes to shoot best...👍💪
If you're shooting only out to 35 yards, I really don't see why you're concerned so much about FOC.
Doing this test FOC wasn't the main thing I was concentrated on. In theory having a higher FOC does help stabilize your arrow. Some of the reasons I went with this kit was I wanted to see if some weights would be more forgiving with hand torque. And I wanted to build a heavier, harder hitting arrow. And if I'm gonna have a heavier arrow I prefer having it heavy in the front instead of the back which is why FOC was a factor , and I wanted a set up that if I need to take a strong quartering to shot or a shoulder shot I want the front of that arrow as strong as I can get it .. appreciate you watching !
Not to mention anything beyond 16 percent foc the broad head pulls the arrow and the Fletchings are just along for the ride
@@RobertKearl-Outdoor-Adventures Hit so hard I feel they may shoot through the target with a razor sharp single bevel 💪
@@whitetailtherapy7908 I can't wait to see how my vulcans do I went a lil heavy TAW of 682 grains with a 125 grain single bevel out front . Just the arrow weight is 557.2 grains
@@RobertKearl-Outdoor-Adventures gonna need a winch to pull them out of the dirt after they pass through an animal lol. How's the drop on something that heavy?