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@BartTheSpartan I guess of that's something you want out of your arrows...I don't want arrows where if you hit a deer at a weird angle or pull them from a target wrong they are trash...

You can paper tune with a broadhead as long as your arrows are fletched....a bare shaft tune my arrows through paper with no fletchings..if you bare shaft tune you absolutely can't use a broadhead something bad will happen without the fletchings steering your arrow ...I bare shaft tune every arrow through paper and then fletch them...I can shoot any broadhead I want after that I have no need to tune them...and Goodluck to you this season also..we are getting close!

Thank you..Switching to a heavy spine arrow and bumping up my FOC is one of the best choices I have ever made ...250 spine 28 inches carbon to carbon with 100 grain insert and sleeve with 125 grain broadhead is what I shoot now..for me it's a great ..hits like a hammer and still fast enough in the 20 to 50 yard range

@@whitetailtherapy7908 awesome! Thank you for the information! That's what I was thinking about setting up. And playing with a 125 or 150 broadhead!

Yeah I couldn't figure out what was going on every once in a while I would just get a really weird shot..finally took all arrows and checked them..sure enough they were bending over time.

Should I go with something with a decent amount of nitrogen?

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Thank you! That was probably the easiest part of the whole project lol

Actually wasn't to windy with me and the target being right behind the barn. And this is just a general test to see which combinations I wanted to try indoor shooting through paper...thanks for watching!

I believe they for 340 spine. And 28 inch arrow at 70 lb draw.. which is what Easton recommends. I have switch to 100% carbon arrows and went heavier spine. Not sure if spine was the case or not.. My original feeling is that they are bending little by little everytime they hit the target. My hunting partner was shooting the same exact arrows but 1 inch shorter and was having the same problems . Like I said I switched to Sirius Apollo 250 spine 100 grain inserts and 150 grain broadhead and have never looked back lol

@Whitetail Therapy good to know, I was just looking at those fmj's and watching reviews, wasn't trying to insult your intelligence or anything just wanted to make that that wasn't a posable reason for the arrows to bend. I've been looking at those serious Apollos as well. My current arrows are 340 spine Easton sonics and total weight is 375 grains lol good for target but not the ideal hunting arrow, so I've been looking up different arrows got a few in mind but I'm pretty sure the fmj's are off the table now lol Thanks for the info btw

@Sparky513 No offense taken at all.. And iv shot a few different brands ..And wanted the FMJ to kinda step up in quality and I just had a bad experience with them..Kinda leaves a bad taste in your mouth ya know? And what are you doing for a heavier arrow or just a higher quality build?

@Whitetail Therapy both, without spend to to much, I dont mind spending money in quality, but do have a budget, not trying to spend $20+ per shaft. Anything from the 12-18$ price range. I like the Sonics 6mm, but there just to light, and I shoot a 27" arrow and dont want to add a 200gr broadhead, trying to get to 480-500gr overall.

Have you looked into the carbon express pile drivers? My buddy runs them and loves them ..iv never shot them but he is really happy with his and I think that's more of a cheaper option and can still get into like a 250 spine that's 10.5 gpi or something ..hard thing in my mind is trying to get to that weight without having more grains upfront .. could always go into something like that and get a stiff spine so you could throw in a heavier outsert type of system and still shoot a normal broadhead.. I love my apollo but they do come at a price I think I have over 300$ in 12 arrows and that's not including fletchings. Broadheads,and lighted nocks

Man I feel really diving into the heavy arrows has opened alot of possibilities from just wanting a hammer of a rig to people with light draw weights..And I always go all the way..this was just a text to see as it all sits what is shooting the best out of the bow..I then took all the arrows and nock tuned them through paper and fletched them..and just kept my best shooting for hunting and the rest for practice..and none shot bad such little difference that I myself don't notice when fletched ..just a peice of mind thing ..yeah my draw was a little long..once I done this video I actually could watch myself shoot and seen my hips pushed out... So I watched John dudley school of nock and really critiqued everything I was doing .. ended up shorten by a half inch and then D loop just a little smaller and made a world of difference.. Thanks for watching and commenting!

For my hunting arrows I do shoot through paper and nock tune every arrow.. this was just to give me a general idea of how they were flying 👍

It bends? Lol look at the field point and nock the arrow is completely bent just from shooting into target and pulling it out

Man it's completely been a mess lmao..But all gonna be worth it got a little chunk of land connected to 1000s of acres..so hopefully can create a little honey hole.. And yeah kinda how I made the rules people that I couldn't tell were subscribed I could make eligible..just because I didn't want a subscriber to miss out by someone that isn't even subscribed...But the time frame I set for it is up tonight ..and no one subscribed even guessed lol..so idk what I'm gonna do

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It makes a huge difference. Definitely taking the time and building them yourself from the ground up .. And as far as the target I woukd either step over to be square with the target or adjust it . Just depends how much it moved . And I only started getting wild with the 300 spine the 250 stayed pretty true and the 250 is a heavier arrow just by itself. And like I have said it was a very rough test I was never going to tune my bow like this . I just wanted to weed out any combination that was to extreme .. I then bareshaft through paper until maybe 1/2 tear and then I nock tune every single arrow by itself until its a bullet hole then fletch..Thanks for watching!

Thats funny you say that.. after watching the video when I first posted it I notice my head going back and my hips going forward .. ended up shortening it by 1/2 and feels great

Yeah I know about the sight and it'd just not really my thing . I would rather have a full metal sight and housing and be able to put my pin where I want to..I get the concept just personally it's not for me

That is a foam target its not a bag. And this was just a general test to get a rough idea .. to see extreme differences ..Then I pick the best ones and sight in to see if I am OK with the amount of arrow drop. Then I bareshaft tune my dozen arrows through paper. Thanks for watching !

@@whitetailtherapy7908 ah, my bad was hard to tell looked like a bag on screen.

The target does jump a little..And like I have said before in comments I am not trying to tune the bow doing this .. This is a straight down the middle tuned bow..And just seeing how the spines react to adding weight ..If you were trying to tune like this it would probably run you in circles . What I was doing is eliminating by the extreme difference..so just doing this test showed I wasn't going to shoot a 300 spine.. But the 250 had a huge range of options to work with.. And then I nock tune every arrow through paper and then fletch. Thanks for watching!

More mass to absorb vibration= quieter bow

When I switched to heavier arrow setups it definitely made my bow quieter.

I shot a couple before this just to make sure it wasn't flying sideways lol.. But having my whole bow tuned and dialed in probably saved me from putting one into the side of the truck 🤣

Having an arrow that can do that is a huge improvement for any hunter.. Iv never had a problem with loosing deer but I really wanted to see what all the fuss was about and to find out if a heavier , higher FOC arrow was more forgiving and from the shooting iv done it deff shows they are. I wasn't wanting something so heavy just because some set ups I may not be able to range more then once . 100 grain outsert system on 250 spine with 150 grain cutthroat at 72 lbs.. bareshaft pepper tuned and then each arrow nock tuned barehaft and then fletch..These things are hammers! Thanks for watching !

my draw weight is same as yours. what's your arrow length? what grain insert and outsert(collar)?

The target has weight on top of it its not moving a ton..and thats not causing my extreme nock right on the 300 spine arrows.. what's causing it is being 300 spine on a heavy draw with over 250 grains up front lol. Why didn't the 250 spine shoot as bad nock right ? And also this is a test just to get a general idea.. I am not tuning anything in this video. All I wanted to see was a certain weight and certain spine all around more forgiving.. 300 spine were fine until I started getting higher into the weights and both 1st and 2nd shot were getting worse and worse ..If the target moving a little was causing my nock right why was I only extreme nock right on the 300 spine?

@@whitetailtherapy7908 I'd guess it's compounding of small issues, amplifying visual outcome. You are correct that heavy poundage will flex a 300 or any spine more with more tip weight. I may be wrong but I believe his theory of this kit is similar to me changing powder charge in rifle hand loads to find a consistent vibration for accuracy as arrow leaves rest and string. Does this really work with arrow being it's not a bullet leaving flexing barrel idk. I'm playing around myself. I'm finding I can shoot bare shafts out to 30 yards into a round bale of hay and keep a 4 inch group with 125g heads. Good straight arrow flight is best 20 yards and under. I'm also in middle of setting up new bear redemption I purchased so I'm doing a bunch of stuff at once and don't have all the answers myself. Moving target is just something I noticed and remembered clip of Troy sticking teeth out as he hit visor with arrow and started mumbling about Zanax.

@@paulclarke5515 yeah I know his concept to the kid but I kinda added my own concept to it .. I wasn't really worried about being a certain FOC or chasing that.. I wanted to see how forgiving the high FOC and the heavy arrow with a stiff spine would be.. if I didn't see any difference I probably wouldn't have even built ranch fairy style arrows. Basically what I done is shot them all and just seen what ones shot the best that were in my overall weight limit..ended up choosing 150 grain cutthroat with the 100 grain outsert system.. paper tuned a little with bareshaft at 21 ft and then nock tuned them until they shot perfect bullet holes in paper at the same distance . I wanted to upload a video going through how I did it but I have been renovating my bathroom.. so hopefully soon I will get a chance to explain how I went about it and my end results

@@whitetailtherapy7908 very cool. My father always preached heavy head. Said if I couldn't judge yardage then get better at it and don't worry about how flat arrow shoots. Also said when balancing arrow on finger it should be forward of center a few inches. Idk where he got this info in 70s and 80s but all of his hand me down gear I killed bucks. I bought new bows and high tech carbon arrows at the time it was new and an array of heads. Boy can I run a blood trail now. Lol. But I seen videos like Troy's and yours and thp. These videos you guys put out made me think of what was and what is.. the younger hunters in their 20s may never have seen what was. I enjoy being made to think. Thank you for the content and good luck with the renovation.

Not sure what you mean by that lol

Yes I plan on shooting single bevel. Maybe cutthroat 150s.. I mocked it up make sure nothing hits. And as far as my hand I don't shoot with any part of my hand over the shelf

@@whitetailtherapy7908 Gotcha. I'm starting to tune up for 150 or 175 Grizzlies or Tuffheads for next elk season so I'm diving hard into these high FOC videos and the test kits from Sirius. What's the main difference between the Apollos and the Vulcans?

@@ArchieRLib I want to say that vulcans are just a different inside diameter. My apollos are .204 which is an X size nock.

@@ArchieRLib And the world of sledgehammer arrows is awesome! I can tell they hit way harder and in my opinion they are more forgiving downrange. The test kit is awesome , it's kinda pricey for 4 arrows that you may not use for hunting but I just changed a couple buddies 10 bucks to use them and made my money back lol. You plan on nock tuning and everything?

@@whitetailtherapy7908 Yep the whole nine yards. I got my bow squared yesterday (a first for me, lol) so I'm just waiting for the kit so I can start from scratch and work my bow's load up all the way through. I'm a long time hunter but brand new to archery. This looks like a great system for bow hunting the way I'd like to do it. Thanks for your videos!

Thank you! Making sure your arrow and broadhead don't just fly apart is a huge benefit lol. I am really happy with the 250 spine with 100 grain outsert system and 150 grain point. Bareshaft & nock tune though paper then fletch and they are complete hammers. This season will be my first season filming hunts so hopefully il have some awesome footage to share . Good luck to you on the upcoming season also. Check out our other videos and make sure you subscribe if you haven't allready!

@@whitetailtherapy7908 what broadhead you running, I do want to try and get a long range arrow for pronghorn if I draw a tag

@@tylersuchy672 I haven't committed to one yet lol..But I have been leaning toward the cutthroat single bevel 150..reviews seem great and at a decent price point. I know I want to go cut on contact there are just so many options lol

@@whitetailtherapy7908 those are sick broadheads, and single bevels are just a whole new level of crazy

@@whitetailtherapy7908 Just bought the 150gr cut throat single bevels. Got them in the S7 steel, which is supposed to be the primo steel. I’m going to run basically the exact arrow you are with a Bear bow, but with a 65lb draw weight.