I didn’t think I was ever going to be excited about dual usb-c ports, but I am! That power port solves a great problem when I’m away on a multi-day hike outside of the power grid. A couple of power banks in the backpack will keep the Z8 going for a long time. Kudos Nikon!
Zee 8 seems amazing. It is very much what I expected it to be but the price of everything is getting to the point where I can’t switch systems so it’s all academic. I wonder how Nikon’s competitors will respond to this “nothing left on the table“ offering… As usual, you guys crushed it.
I agree. That is the most important remaining camera for Nikon to release this year. The Z7III, meanwhile, might have been taken off the drawing board. The new camera which would be cool would be a Z70, operationally closer to the Z6 than Z5, and including IBIS.
Z6iii and Z90(flagship DX) are next most anticipated cameras. Currently having great experience with my Z5 , but will decide to upgrade to Z6iii in the future or just add Z90 to my inventory. Very optimistic about these releases. Z7 line is mostly doomed , I think Nikon did acknowledge the risk of introducing Z8 , because basically you can just bye Z8 with 1k$ more and get so much more.
@Unconventional Reasoning I hope they also go with stacked sensor for Z6iii and remove the mechanical shutter. If Nikon did that, it will put them ahead of everyone by at least 3 years.
@Unconventional Reasoning if they remove the mechanical shutter, use similar sensor as A9ii (3 years old), I don't see why they can't do what they did with Z8.
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Checked most of the boxes for me. One only thing was the battery door lock. I wish they put the Z9 door instead of keeping the Z6/Z7 door. I guess what drove this decision is the battery type used. This is minor to me compared to the gains from moving from Z6/7ii series cameras to Z8. Pre-ordered!
@@bradl2636 The Z8 should have faster delivery than the Z9 had. I think Nikon has had time to build a bit of inventory, partly because they have a better sense of the demand than they understood for the Z9. And partly because the Z8 launch seemed to have been delayed by the lawsuit by Red.
I personally like the mechanical shutterless advancements. Cameras will last a lot longer if there's no rolling shutter and all the negative effects of electronic shutters are gone
@@mlai2546 It may take one more cycle before it is cost effective at the Z6/Z6II price [$2000 USD]. Getting a Z6III with the Expeed7 as the only change would be significant, giving about 80% of the AF improvements that the Z9/Z8 have over the Z7II/Z6II.
@Unconventional Reasoning I think Nikon can purchase the 24mp stacked sensor that already exists in Sony A9ii. Remove the mechanical shutter, and I think they should be able to sell it at $2000 price point. The current z6ii uses 2 Expeed 6.Using a single Expeed 7 should be cheaper as the chip will be 3 years old.
@@mlai2546 the Sony sensor is in a camera they sell for $4500. They get to include the sensor in there 'at cost'. It's unclear how that will allow Nikon to get the Z6III down to $2k retail.
Nice explanations of the features of the Z8! As a landscape, product and wildlife photographer, I'm 100% more interested in the improvements in stills image quality over the original Z7, than its undoubtedly amazing video capabilities, given its sensor and processor engine. I hope someone can address that as well. Thanks!
@@bradl2636 I think most Z9 buyers are fine with having had their camera for the past year. If they're making money with the Z9, they've hopefully gotten $1500-2000 in value. If they're not making money with it, they had the money to spend on the Z9 and can't whine about a less expensive option. Their entire Z-mount system probably cost between $10-20k, so the difference between the Z8 and Z9 is a smaller fraction. Being angry because the lower priced camera is too good about 1.5 years later is pretty weak.
@@bradl2636 Quite a few people. * The photographer who always uses a vertical grip has a price difference of $1100. * The photographer who is on-the-go so the external USB power is an issue, so one Z9 battery may be sufficient, saving on extra batteries. * The person who wants to do longer, high-spec video without ever needing to think about overheating. * The photographer who wants high-speed bursts of images redundant to both cards. * The person who wants the *most* durable camera available. Perhaps Nikon would have sold 5 Z9 cameras. Now, instead, they sell 2 Z9 and 8 Z8 cameras. It is a revenue gain for Nikon.
@@UnconventionalReasoning I'm not angry about the price at all. Users of Z9 cannot use the smaller battery life and SD card for redundancy anyway. BAttery life is apparently very short if used for HQ video.
Z8 is gr8 deal from Nikon .Canon R5 dropped 500$ due to Z8 . Sony A1 and Nikon Z9 are real competition for Z8 and look at the price point of Z8 . It gives all the features of true flagship camera and at lowest price point without compromising any features not only Nikon will sell Z8 in big numbers but also the sell of Z lenses will shoot up
Dave: The D850 had the XQD/SD card slots [4:30]. Some photographers want redundant files with 100s of frames in a burst. It would be amazing if Nikon had an option for them. Though most photographers just want to whine about anything they can nitpick...
I wonder if you can get a deeper buffer shooting small or medium JPGs to the SD card? I understand that some will want full redundancy, but for others a low-res emergency option is all they need. Then you would have options: full NEF redundancy with huge buffer would be Z9 only; but with the Z8 you might choose between 1000 shot NEF buffer (no backup); shorter bursts with redundancy; or longer bursts with JPG. I think part of the lower price is choosing acceptable compromises, and it’s certain many Z photographers will be happy simply to have Z9 autofocus regardless of the FPS.
Purchased the camera and it is the best camera that is available to purchase now. The speed, the low light compatibility and Nikon’s color science are years ahead.
A lot of users prefer the tilt screen to the flippy screen. It is easy to add an external viewer, either plugging in a monitor or using a phone/tablet. The D810/D850 were a little larger than the D4/D5 with the vertical grip. The Z8 grip adds hot-swappable batteries and a USB-C port which the D8*0 grip lacks.
@@UnconventionalReasoning As i understand it, a "flippy" screen both tilts and flips... users choice. No excuse for not having this on a $5000 camera body, IMHO.
@@AdrianIII A flippy screen both tilts and flips to the side of the camera. Many do not want it to the side of the camera, find it better directly behind it. The people who think one is unequivocally better than the other are ignoring the perspective of many other photographers.
I must be the only one on here (UA-cam) who does not need to upgrade until my present camera does not do what I want to! and that's to take pictures with. I am sure the Z8 is a fine camera but until my D3 carries on the way it does then I am a very happy with what I have got! Thank you for the revue!
It's quite exciting that 99% of what the Z9 is, is now available at this price point and this size and weight. I'm sure that it will sell very well. I'm on a D750, which is still a little bit smaller and lighter than this guy, but the difference isn't big. Still, there is a difference. And in terms of price, the Z8 is 7.5 times what I paid for my D750 (used). But I'm not sure it's 7.5 times better, and in any case, I won't be 7.5 times better with the Z8. What's more, I've been holding off switching to mirrorless because one lens isn't yet available that I'd want: a 70-300ish telezoom. The Tamron is available, but that's a Tamron, and it's not as good as my Nikon 70-300 from what I read. Still, the 14-30 is enticing. And the 24-120 as well. As for a body, all things considered, the Z7 is probably more for me - IF that focuses well enough.
I was like you but I had a D7200. The last year I had it, I used it maybe 3 or 4 times that year. But when I got the Z6, I could not stop shooting with it. The eye detect, the video, the stabilizer just makes the camera so fun to use. The S lens is in another level. 85mm 1.8s and 35mm 1.8s are just amazing.
I think you will be happiest with the Z6III when it is released. Your Nikon 70-300mm lens will probably work better on the Z9/Z8/Z6III than it does on the D750. It was tough to let go of the DSLR... And once it's done, it's much easier to not look back than it seems.
If you shoot video yes, it's an upgrade, that Expeed 7 helps a lot with autofocus. Even F mount lenses with adapter work faster on Z9, regardless if you shoot video or photos. With mirrorless it's all about their chips and processing power
If you only shoot photo like landscape and portrait. You dont need to upgrade, the image quality is almost identical with Z7ii. But if you shoot video or action/wildlife photo. Z8 is definally a great upgrade option.
"If you shoot video..." means a lot of different things, often more than "If you shoot photos..." If the video AF is inadequate with your Z7II, then yes. If the video output specs are inadequate with your Z7II, then yes. If you find the AF tracking inadequate with your Z7II, then yes. If your Z7II does more than 90% of what you want to create, then you're probably set. [I have the Z7II, and after holding the Z8 yesterday, I'm still fine with the Z7II. If I get back into sports photography, I'll look more closely at the Z9, because I always use the vertical grip.]
If you're 70-30 stills, the Z8. If you're 70-30 video, the S5 IIX [Almost all of my cameras have been Nikon or Panasonic since 2007, with over 5 of each.. I mainly use the Z7II, and I might get a GH6 today. So this is about as unbiased an answer as I can give.]
@@UnconventionalReasoning I can't argue with that logic. I also have a Nikon D700 I no longer use and various glass, so there is a bit of allure with the adapter. Only panny m43 glass, so I'd be starting over. I'm mostly vid and lapses so I'm leaning that way.
@@Clickumentary Few lenses from the D700 time hold up well on the current 45mp sensor. Some specifically 'vintage' lenses work great, but the 'precision' lenses are now somewhat imprecise. It basically negates the point of the Z8 sensor. I had the 28-70mm f/2.8 with the D700, and the D800 showed its limitations.
The Nikon Z8 is still a TOP camera and well worth looking into. Nikon has done really good job integrating the older F-mounts into their mirrorless system with the adapter. The Z8 with a stabilized sensor adds great functionality to your older non-stabilized F-mounts.
Yesterday, I put a battery grip on the Z8. For the person who occasionally uses a vertical grip, it works out okay, and one of the other people in the store has pre-ordered their Z8 with that intention. I always use the vertical grip, so my next eventual camera will be the Z9.
If you’re going to do serious video for extended shoots you need to rig the camera with external power. Or are you seriously expecting a tiny camera battery to power 8k60 for any extended time? Look at professional film makers, everyone uses external power no matter the camera.
@@tor2919 Sure it is easy to work around the battery limitations, but the limited card space is kind of a bummer. If they put two usbc ports on it, they could have included external recording as well.
Wait for 15 years Nikon Z8 cameras still do not have flip screen to vary-angle selfies, body size and weight are big and heavy, I have to change to Canon for R6II camera which is lighter and have vary-angle flip screen.
@@AndreaChioato let see… - blackout free, silent shooting - significantly better AF tracking performance - up to 32000th shutter speed removing the need to use ND filters in bright sun - no shutter = no shutter shock - vastly better video quality - sensor shield - better ergonomics with illuminated buttons - greater responsiveness, from start up time to navigating menus.
Dave & Evelyn . . Quick Question, please . . Z7 ii Image Quality : Is the image quality of the Nikon Z7ii equal to the image quality of the Z8? Or does The Z8 produce more lovely images than the Z7ii? I understand there are more aspects to these fine cameras that define what they really are, but for this question, I would like to concentrate solely on Image Quality. Thank You Very Much.
Benefits of the Z9: * Battery life * Longer high-spec video recording. The Z9 will basically never overheat. The Z8 probably will, when stressed. * Dual DFexpress card slots. Sending images to both card slots with the Z8 will affect the buffer performance. * Integrated vertical grip. The Z8+grip is about 2cm taller than the Z9. If the grip will always be used, the Z9 is probably a better choice. [This is my struggle, for later in the year...]
Maybe they can release a photographer's version of the Z8 without the high frame rate & video fluff that I don't need, maybe the true sucessor to the D700. Let's call it the Z7! ;)
While I'm overall thrilled with this camera, I don't believe it's the camera I was waiting for. My disappointment is with the vertical grip. It still only takes Nikon's small batteries not the larger ones. Plus when you add the grip it becomes significantly larger than the Z9. I always use a vertical grip (pinky curls underneath and get hand cramps without one). Don't a lot of professional light painting I need good battery life and that has scared me from jumping to mirrorless. The Z9 is probably the camera for me but I'm not exciting about spending that money - especially as converting will only get me a sideways step resolution wise from my D850. I can't justify a case for transitioning yet. My D4s backup is long in the tooth, but I just never touch it as my D850 has been so great since day 1. Eventually I'll be forced to go mirrorless and it'll be in the Nikon eco-system. Is it the Z9, whatever comes next as a flagship, I don't know.Maybe I'll drop down to a Z7II for other work other than light painting. I don't know.
Matt Granger did a battery test and got over 6750 shots with 24% battery test. So unless you shoot more than that, the battery should be a non issue. Besides the 15C battery is like 3 years old now. I am not surprised if a 15 D version is around the corner.
I agree! A battery grip on Z8 will make it larger than a Z9 and to me it almost look like an after-thought, to be honest. If you consistently use a vertical grip you better save some more money and get the Z9 instead. Having said that, there’s also the option to hook a power bank to the usb-c port at the bottom on the Z8, if power supply is you main concern.
Cameras with removable grips are always larger than ones with integrated grips. That’s true since forever. Look at the F5 vs F100 with grip. Look at D3 vs D700 with grip. Look at D5 vs D850 with grip. Or any Canon for that matter. I guess some people just haven’t been around cameras for very long. That’s why many people love integrated grip pro cameras like the Z9 or D5 - because they are smaller and more compact than comparable cameras with removable grips.
I also always use the vertical grip. The Z7 was a big disappointment for me for that reason, and I got the Z7II as soon as it was available. If the speed is not needed, the Z7II has all the image quality of the Z9/Z8. With the grip, the Z7II feels very comfortable, an easy switch from the D850 (+ grip). The Z7II is half the price of the Z9... The Z7II grip has a USB-C port to power/charge it, and the first battery is hot-swappable. The resolution of the Nikon full frame bodies will hopefully stay at 45mp. Going to 60mp is insignificant. Going even higher introduces even more diffraction at apertures in the f/8 range.
Nikon did this with the D800/D810/D850. The message is simple: "If you need the best high-speed performance, there's a camera for you. The Z9." On one hand, some people are saying that the Z9 buyers will be angry that the Z8 is so close in features and performance. On the other hand, some people are asking why the Z8 doesn't have every feature and spec of the Z9. That suggests that Nikon found the sweet spot pretty well. The optimal price might be uncertain, but they can always lower that if it makes sense. Like if the Z7III is left on the drawing board.
@@UnconventionalReasoning not sure I agree with you, in life other priorities rear their heads, luxuries such as expensive cameras (even at $700) have to take a back seat. $700 is a lot of money to a lot of people. Camera buyers delude themselves into thinking they must have the latest camera gear no matter the cost, I'm not in that camp.
@@robstammers7149 I agree. While I've bought mostly new cameras, they're often on sale a year or more after launch. Most lenses are used, I completely agree on the value benefit.
Hopefully the Nikon camera that will be launched in 2023/24 will carry the specs below to beat cameras like the Sony A7IV, Sony ZV-E1, Canon EOS R6II and Panasonic Lumix S5II & S5II Nikon Z7III -45.7MP FX-Format BSI CMOS Sensor -EXPEED 7 Image Processor -8K30p, 4K120p, 4K60p 10-Bit 4:2:2 Internal (full sensor) oversampled from 8K, N-LOG2 & HLG -N-RAW, ProRes RAW 12-Bit Via HDMI -ProRes 422/HQ/LT 4:2:2, H.265 codecs -8-Stop In-Body 5-Axis Sensor Shift Vibration Reduction -Anti-Dust Shutter Mechanism -10fps Mechanical Shutter, 20fps Electronic Shutter Shooting With AF/AE Tracking -AI Based Subject Detection With Deep Learning -7xx Point PDAF, 3D Tracking, Real Time Eye AF -5.76m-Dot OLED EVF With 120Hz Refresh Rate -3.2" 2.1m-Dot Vari-Angle Tilting Touchscreen LCD -Dual: CFexpress Type B/XQD & SD Card Slot (UHS II) -Full-size HDMI Port -5GHz MIMO WiFi, Bluetooth, and GNSS Price Around $3000 Nikon Z6III -24MP FX-Format BSI CMOS Sensor -EXPEED 7 Image Processor -6K30p, 4K120p, 4K60p 10-Bit 4:2:2 Internal (full sensor) oversampled from 6K, N-LOG2 & HLG -N-RAW, ProRes RAW 12-Bit Via HDMI -ProRes 422/HQ/LT 4:2:2, H.265 codecs -8-Stop In-Body 5-Axis Sensor Shift Vibration Reduction -Anti-Dust Shutter Mechanism -15fps Mechanical Shutter, 40fps Electronic Shutter Shooting With AF/AE Tracking -AI Based Subject Detection With Deep Learning -7xx Point PDAF, 3D Tracking, Real Time Eye AF -3.69m-Dot OLED EVF With 120Hz Refresh Rate -3.2" 2.1m-Dot Vari-Angle Tilting Touchscreen LCD -Dual: CFexpress Type B/XQD & SD Card Slot (UHS II) -Full-size HDMI Port -5GHz MIMO WiFi, Bluetooth, and GNSS -Price Around $2000
If you want to add the vertical grip, this camera makes no sense. It’s bigger than the Z9, which also still has a better battery. It’s also bigger than the Z9 and the price difference is no longer significant. However, if you won’t use the battery grip and don’t mind storing jpegs on the SD card with raw on the CF, it’s a winner. I have a Z9 and find that I now shoot vertically much more so than I did before. However, if this was available when I bought the Z9, I might have bought the Z8. As a wildlife shooter, I think that Nikon needs to continue firmware upgrades for both cameras so that eye detect has a greater range.
With all the firmware updates to the Z9, it seems unlikely that they will stop now. Since you're using the Z9 vertically more than you previously did, you'll still be happier with the Z9 than the Z8 + grip. Switching from horizontal to vertical is more seamless with the Z9 than Z8. [With the D3 / D700+grip, it seemed to me that the opposite was true.]
Of course they had to cripple it in some way vs the Z9. Mixing CF Express and SD card slots and not using the large Z9 battery in the battery grip are mistakes in my book.
The D800/D810/D850 had mixed card slots. They had to do *something* to differentiate it from the Z9. Unlike the D850 grip, the Z8 grip allows hot-swapping. There's also power delivery from the USB-C-PD port. At some point, photographers really need to stop waiting for their unicorn.
Amazing innovation! Just like the Z9 except smaller and cheaper with two different memory cards, one good and one not so good. Nikon also kept the crappy screen. Great innovation.
@@Audimann The Z7II was released at 3000 Euro. A Z7III would have been 3500 or less, the Z8 should be 4000. Going up to 4600 may have more to do with currency exchange rates. In the US, the Z7II was released at $3000 and the Z8 at $4000. It was generally expected to be $3800-4000.
Yes, as do the Z9, Z7, and Z7II. I have done photo sessions with both the D850 and Z7, and then the D850 and Z7II. After the files are renamed, I have no idea which camera was used without looking at the EXIF data.
Actually I'm a little disappointed by the size of the Z8. I chose the Nikon mirrorless system because of the compact Z6 & Z7 bodies for full frame. Will the Z8 fit my hand a little better? Yes, but it's also heavier than its direct competitors. I really wanted a Z7 format body with the imporved autofocus of the Z9, the pre-buffer capability and the sensor protector when the camera is off. I would have given up some of its more advanced video modes for a more compact body. And the autofocus isn't still up to Canon and Sony levels. This according to online reviewers and influencers. Basically a mirrorless camera does not need to approach the size of a DSLR to be comfortable to hold. Old film SLRs were compact in size in comparison to DSLRs. No need for huge cameras if there is no need for a mirror box. Nikon has gone the wrong way on size and weight with the Z8.
"Nikon has gone the wrong way on size and weight with the Z8." Nope, this is the ideal size for a workhorse camera. Slightly smaller & lighter than the D850 which gave no hand cramps so I expect the same with the Z8. Canon R5 was half a size too small, doable for a full work day but mild hand cramp and Sony Alpha too small for work but good for traveling which is occasional camera holding. Hopefully a lot of the features of the Z8/Z9 line trickles down to the Z6/Z7.
@@Rocky_KO I agree the size is fine, though some might have liked a little smaller. For me this isn't hitting it, the build hasn't got enough mag alloy, the lack of drive dial, and the vertical grip design is awful - way too big Not enough to consider retiring the D8xx bodies I have, in fact I'll invest in more
Sadly I'm one of those that feel negative on this. 3 years old tech in smaller body and not a single new selling feature. I waited 2 years almost for in and got tired and bought z9 which is too chunky for my mlst uses but now there is no point to sell it and get less capable camera (which it is). Just 1 year too late...
I have said it many times if the body is innovative but the lenses are not. Why bother? Why release innovative bodies if the innovative lenses comes 4 years later? Or never? Canon and Nikon probably make better bodies than Sony, but again WHO CARES!? You gotta mount something to it for it to work!?!? And no, adapting old big outdated dslr lenses is not part of it.
@@VIDEOVISTAVIEW2020 not saying their not great, but which nikon lenses are innovative to go with these innovative bodies? Nikons mirrorlens lens line up complete?
Innovative lenses? Hmm, well innovative is good, but what matters more to me is that pretty much all my favourite focal lengths are covered with excellent Z glass that performs spectacularly. My clients couldn't care less about how innovative my lens collection is. All they care about is that I continue to deliver crisp and colorful images that tells the story, and Nikon Z helps me do just that effortlessly. And that's what let's me continue to put food on the table with my work.
500pf, 800pf, 400 f4.5, 400 S TC, 600 S TC… But I have to say, that your accusation that Nikon has not been innovative with their lenses is pretty innovative 😂
No mechanical shutter = less dynamic range, less Image quality, more noise, poor image quality in very bright sunny days as well as very poor low light. Overall so disappointment in Nikon. Hopefully they don’t mess up the z6iii/7iii 😢.
More like there is nothing else to talk about because stills photography reached a dead end 6 years ago with the Sony A9. Good luck staying in business.
Sorry, but IMHO the whole lineup from Canon, Fujifilm, Nikon, Panasonic, and Sony is simply clunky-chunky, pugly-ugly! They all look the same and differ in silly features, most of which many could do without. They are BORING!! WHY are all these top-notch companies incapable of coming up with a camera that is as elegant and classy-looking as a Hasselblad or even a Leica? Give me a beautiful X1Dii any day over the latest 900th edition of a Canon Mark 18, Nikon Mark 25, or Sony Mark 150. Despite their technical prowess and innovation, the Japanese companies really need to learn from the Europeans.
What's with all this "Zed" BS? its ZEE here in the America's. Surprised you guys didnt pronounce it "Nehkon" as well 🙄. Also, as long as Nikon continues to use EVF's from 2018, Im not buying their cameras.
Nikon rebirths a Z9...like Z30 is a Zfc... like a Z50... and a Z6II is well a Z6.....😢 Nikon has gone out of business already they are just using up the parts bin. Nothing new to see here.
@@ThePeterR66 Show me where the truth hurt you. A shockingly over-hyped re-release of an existing camera. Nikon is out of ideas and it's now just cynical marketing fluff.
Lol the Z8 kills the competition. Nikon has always done this and it’s a wonderful thing. Unlike Sony or Canon that cripple their cheaper cameras relative to their flagships Nikon releases a cheaper and smaller camera with the same incredible specs. Same as D3/D700. And the Z9 has been heavily updated. It’s not the same camera as when it released. Unlike the loser A1
Tracking black eyes on a black face, that’s very impressive 😯👍
It did a great job of staying on Kubo. Lots of keeper photographs.
Nikon is very good in low light tracking and focus it only struggles whne there is strong backlight
I didn’t think I was ever going to be excited about dual usb-c ports, but I am! That power port solves a great problem when I’m away on a multi-day hike outside of the power grid. A couple of power banks in the backpack will keep the Z8 going for a long time. Kudos Nikon!
Zee 8 seems amazing. It is very much what I expected it to be but the price of everything is getting to the point where I can’t switch systems so it’s all academic. I wonder how Nikon’s competitors will respond to this “nothing left on the table“ offering… As usual, you guys crushed it.
Canon will rename the R5ii to R4 saying the true R5ii won't be out for another 2 years
Fantastic looking camera. I hope it's not too long till we see a z6iii.
I agree. That is the most important remaining camera for Nikon to release this year. The Z7III, meanwhile, might have been taken off the drawing board.
The new camera which would be cool would be a Z70, operationally closer to the Z6 than Z5, and including IBIS.
Z6iii and Z90(flagship DX) are next most anticipated cameras. Currently having great experience with my Z5 , but will decide to upgrade to Z6iii in the future or just add Z90 to my inventory. Very optimistic about these releases. Z7 line is mostly doomed , I think Nikon did acknowledge the risk of introducing Z8 , because basically you can just bye Z8 with 1k$ more and get so much more.
@Unconventional Reasoning I hope they also go with stacked sensor for Z6iii and remove the mechanical shutter. If Nikon did that, it will put them ahead of everyone by at least 3 years.
@@mlai2546 It may be challenging to do that, but it would be a win if it can be done in a cost effective way.
@Unconventional Reasoning if they remove the mechanical shutter, use similar sensor as A9ii (3 years old), I don't see why they can't do what they did with Z8.
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Thanks for sharing another wonderful video like always, I love that z8, soon to be mine 😂😍
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Checked most of the boxes for me. One only thing was the battery door lock. I wish they put the Z9 door instead of keeping the Z6/Z7 door. I guess what drove this decision is the battery type used. This is minor to me compared to the gains from moving from Z6/7ii series cameras to Z8. Pre-ordered!
Only one word to describe the quality of the Z8 - preordered :-)
Hope you’re patient…
@@bradl2636 The Z8 should have faster delivery than the Z9 had. I think Nikon has had time to build a bit of inventory, partly because they have a better sense of the demand than they understood for the Z9. And partly because the Z8 launch seemed to have been delayed by the lawsuit by Red.
I personally like the mechanical shutterless advancements. Cameras will last a lot longer if there's no rolling shutter and all the negative effects of electronic shutters are gone
Absolutely. I think we are going to see more and more shutterless cameras in the future.
Nikon should continue with more stacked sensor for Z6iii and no mechanical shutter.
@@mlai2546 It may take one more cycle before it is cost effective at the Z6/Z6II price [$2000 USD]. Getting a Z6III with the Expeed7 as the only change would be significant, giving about 80% of the AF improvements that the Z9/Z8 have over the Z7II/Z6II.
@Unconventional Reasoning I think Nikon can purchase the 24mp stacked sensor that already exists in Sony A9ii. Remove the mechanical shutter, and I think they should be able to sell it at $2000 price point. The current z6ii uses 2 Expeed 6.Using a single Expeed 7 should be cheaper as the chip will be 3 years old.
@@mlai2546 the Sony sensor is in a camera they sell for $4500. They get to include the sensor in there 'at cost'. It's unclear how that will allow Nikon to get the Z6III down to $2k retail.
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I’d love to get this camera. I didn’t want the bulk of the Z9 and it being so much cheaper is a huge plus.
Nice explanations of the features of the Z8! As a landscape, product and wildlife photographer, I'm 100% more interested in the improvements in stills image quality over the original Z7, than its undoubtedly amazing video capabilities, given its sensor and processor engine. I hope someone can address that as well. Thanks!
“A lot of the features of the Z 9” is an understatement.
Nikon eating its own children. Z9 buyers must be pissed. Can’t believe all the hype over this non-event.
@@bradl2636 I think most Z9 buyers are fine with having had their camera for the past year.
If they're making money with the Z9, they've hopefully gotten $1500-2000 in value. If they're not making money with it, they had the money to spend on the Z9 and can't whine about a less expensive option. Their entire Z-mount system probably cost between $10-20k, so the difference between the Z8 and Z9 is a smaller fraction.
Being angry because the lower priced camera is too good about 1.5 years later is pretty weak.
@@UnconventionalReasoning Who with a brain in their head is going to blow an extra $1500 on a Z9 going forward..?
@@bradl2636 Quite a few people.
* The photographer who always uses a vertical grip has a price difference of $1100.
* The photographer who is on-the-go so the external USB power is an issue, so one Z9 battery may be sufficient, saving on extra batteries.
* The person who wants to do longer, high-spec video without ever needing to think about overheating.
* The photographer who wants high-speed bursts of images redundant to both cards.
* The person who wants the *most* durable camera available.
Perhaps Nikon would have sold 5 Z9 cameras. Now, instead, they sell 2 Z9 and 8 Z8 cameras. It is a revenue gain for Nikon.
@@UnconventionalReasoning I'm not angry about the price at all.
Users of Z9 cannot use the smaller battery life and SD card for redundancy anyway. BAttery life is apparently very short if used for HQ video.
have read that when shooting vertically, the menus are rotated. I think that's a cool feature
Nikon hit another home run. Ordered first minute (Sorry, not Camera Store this time). Can't wait for the 25th.
I love mine!
Because simply it is the best camera ever
🤣🤣🤣
Z8 is gr8 deal from Nikon .Canon R5 dropped 500$ due to Z8 . Sony A1 and Nikon Z9 are real competition for Z8 and look at the price point of Z8 .
It gives all the features of true flagship camera and at lowest price point without compromising any features
not only Nikon will sell Z8 in big numbers but also the sell of Z lenses will shoot up
I was one of them who wanted dual USB-C ports! Glad, Nikon did it so should the others.
Dave: The D850 had the XQD/SD card slots [4:30]. Some photographers want redundant files with 100s of frames in a burst. It would be amazing if Nikon had an option for them. Though most photographers just want to whine about anything they can nitpick...
I wonder if you can get a deeper buffer shooting small or medium JPGs to the SD card? I understand that some will want full redundancy, but for others a low-res emergency option is all they need. Then you would have options: full NEF redundancy with huge buffer would be Z9 only; but with the Z8 you might choose between 1000 shot NEF buffer (no backup); shorter bursts with redundancy; or longer bursts with JPG. I think part of the lower price is choosing acceptable compromises, and it’s certain many Z photographers will be happy simply to have Z9 autofocus regardless of the FPS.
@@Lets-Take-Pictures It seems likely have better buffer performance with the smaller jpeg sizes.
now with an electronic shutter why are we still stuck with a flash max sync speed of 1/200s? HSS could be eliminated.
Purchased the camera and it is the best camera that is available to purchase now. The speed, the low light compatibility and Nikon’s color science are years ahead.
at 4k60fps it has crop??
No crop for 4k 60p and it's oversampled. Pretty spectacular 🤩
No flippy screen? When you add a battery grip, it's BIGGER than the Z9???
YES. Its completely nuts.
A lot of users prefer the tilt screen to the flippy screen. It is easy to add an external viewer, either plugging in a monitor or using a phone/tablet.
The D810/D850 were a little larger than the D4/D5 with the vertical grip. The Z8 grip adds hot-swappable batteries and a USB-C port which the D8*0 grip lacks.
@@UnconventionalReasoning As i understand it, a "flippy" screen both tilts and flips... users choice. No excuse for not having this on a $5000 camera body, IMHO.
@@AdrianIII A flippy screen both tilts and flips to the side of the camera. Many do not want it to the side of the camera, find it better directly behind it. The people who think one is unequivocally better than the other are ignoring the perspective of many other photographers.
@@UnconventionalReasoning Hi - I thought that the flippy screen was desirable for vloggers. No need for extra equipment that way.
Most buyers aren't coming from a Z9 so the comparisons don't ring a bell. How is the size and grip compared to the Z6/Z7?
Larger, deeper 😉. On a serious note, it also contours to the shape of our hand better.
I must be the only one on here (UA-cam) who does not need to upgrade until my present camera does not do what I want to! and that's to take pictures with. I am sure the Z8 is a fine camera but until my D3 carries on the way it does then I am a very happy with what I have got! Thank you for the revue!
It's quite exciting that 99% of what the Z9 is, is now available at this price point and this size and weight. I'm sure that it will sell very well. I'm on a D750, which is still a little bit smaller and lighter than this guy, but the difference isn't big. Still, there is a difference. And in terms of price, the Z8 is 7.5 times what I paid for my D750 (used). But I'm not sure it's 7.5 times better, and in any case, I won't be 7.5 times better with the Z8.
What's more, I've been holding off switching to mirrorless because one lens isn't yet available that I'd want: a 70-300ish telezoom. The Tamron is available, but that's a Tamron, and it's not as good as my Nikon 70-300 from what I read.
Still, the 14-30 is enticing. And the 24-120 as well. As for a body, all things considered, the Z7 is probably more for me - IF that focuses well enough.
I was like you but I had a D7200. The last year I had it, I used it maybe 3 or 4 times that year. But when I got the Z6, I could not stop shooting with it. The eye detect, the video, the stabilizer just makes the camera so fun to use. The S lens is in another level. 85mm 1.8s and 35mm 1.8s are just amazing.
I think you will be happiest with the Z6III when it is released. Your Nikon 70-300mm lens will probably work better on the Z9/Z8/Z6III than it does on the D750.
It was tough to let go of the DSLR... And once it's done, it's much easier to not look back than it seems.
It (Z6) won't.
Hey! I ordered my Z8 from you guys at 6 AM the other day the instant you listed it. How come you’re playing with MY camera?
Because they ordered it at 5:59am, an instant *before* they listed it. 🤣
Nice review - thanks! As a Z7II user, wondering if this is an upgrade worth making, so info v helpful.👍
If you shoot video yes, it's an upgrade, that Expeed 7 helps a lot with autofocus. Even F mount lenses with adapter work faster on Z9, regardless if you shoot video or photos. With mirrorless it's all about their chips and processing power
If you only shoot photo like landscape and portrait. You dont need to upgrade, the image quality is almost identical with Z7ii. But if you shoot video or action/wildlife photo. Z8 is definally a great upgrade option.
"If you shoot video..." means a lot of different things, often more than "If you shoot photos..." If the video AF is inadequate with your Z7II, then yes. If the video output specs are inadequate with your Z7II, then yes. If you find the AF tracking inadequate with your Z7II, then yes. If your Z7II does more than 90% of what you want to create, then you're probably set.
[I have the Z7II, and after holding the Z8 yesterday, I'm still fine with the Z7II. If I get back into sports photography, I'll look more closely at the Z9, because I always use the vertical grip.]
Many thanks all - very helpful! Much appreciated! 👍
Great video if I didn't have the Z9 yet I would consider this one.
I'm so torn between the Z8 and Lumix S5iiX + glass... two totally different but amazing options!
If you're 70-30 stills, the Z8. If you're 70-30 video, the S5 IIX
[Almost all of my cameras have been Nikon or Panasonic since 2007, with over 5 of each.. I mainly use the Z7II, and I might get a GH6 today. So this is about as unbiased an answer as I can give.]
@@UnconventionalReasoning I can't argue with that logic. I also have a Nikon D700 I no longer use and various glass, so there is a bit of allure with the adapter. Only panny m43 glass, so I'd be starting over. I'm mostly vid and lapses so I'm leaning that way.
@@Clickumentary Few lenses from the D700 time hold up well on the current 45mp sensor. Some specifically 'vintage' lenses work great, but the 'precision' lenses are now somewhat imprecise. It basically negates the point of the Z8 sensor. I had the 28-70mm f/2.8 with the D700, and the D800 showed its limitations.
Would this STILL be a TOP camera with F-mount lenses using the FTZ adapter ??
The Nikon Z8 is still a TOP camera and well worth looking into. Nikon has done really good job integrating the older F-mounts into their mirrorless system with the adapter. The Z8 with a stabilized sensor adds great functionality to your older non-stabilized F-mounts.
I think this is the first time of my career shooting with Nikon, That’s the first case I really don’t consider battery grip for the Z8.
Yesterday, I put a battery grip on the Z8. For the person who occasionally uses a vertical grip, it works out okay, and one of the other people in the store has pre-ordered their Z8 with that intention. I always use the vertical grip, so my next eventual camera will be the Z9.
I am just worried that the battery capacity and card space can not keep up with the 8k60 Raw recording.
If you’re going to do serious video for extended shoots you need to rig the camera with external power. Or are you seriously expecting a tiny camera battery to power 8k60 for any extended time? Look at professional film makers, everyone uses external power no matter the camera.
Yes, you're right. This is a camera for short segments of 8k60 video.
@@tor2919 Sure it is easy to work around the battery limitations, but the limited card space is kind of a bummer. If they put two usbc ports on it, they could have included external recording as well.
Wait for 15 years Nikon Z8 cameras still do not have flip screen to vary-angle selfies, body size and weight are big and heavy, I have to change to Canon for R6II camera which is lighter and have vary-angle flip screen.
Awesome 👍
I will buy one
What is exactly the Z8 able to do that the Z6 or 7 cannot ?
Lol did you not watch the video? Go look at the specs. Not even remotely comparable
@@Lowridersdoggs you did not understand my question.. list what exactly you cannot do with z7 ii and then figure out how often you need that !
@@AndreaChioato the better eye tracking and internal recording modes make it worth it for most professionals
@@AndreaChioato let see…
- blackout free, silent shooting
- significantly better AF tracking performance
- up to 32000th shutter speed removing the need to use ND filters in bright sun
- no shutter = no shutter shock
- vastly better video quality
- sensor shield
- better ergonomics with illuminated buttons
- greater responsiveness, from start up time to navigating menus.
Try one and you will enlighten 😉
Dave & Evelyn . .
Quick Question, please . .
Z7 ii Image Quality :
Is the image quality of the Nikon Z7ii equal to the image quality of the Z8?
Or does The Z8 produce more lovely images than the Z7ii?
I understand there are more aspects to these fine cameras that define what they really are, but for this question, I would like to concentrate solely on Image Quality.
Thank You Very Much.
The image quality of the Z 7 ii is the same, if not slightly better (in terms of dynamic range) than the Z8. Hope this helps. ❤
Thank You !
Nikon Z8 and D850 for nostalgic reasons and thats all I need 😂😂
It is a great camera and where I live cheaper than the old Sony a9ii.
With 8 E-mouth lenses I of course have absolutely no intention to move to Nikon.
As an owner of two black Labradors, people really underestimate how hard it is to photograph a dark dog running and have the camera focus on the eye.
What is the downside or things that don’t work as well
Benefits of the Z9:
* Battery life
* Longer high-spec video recording. The Z9 will basically never overheat. The Z8 probably will, when stressed.
* Dual DFexpress card slots. Sending images to both card slots with the Z8 will affect the buffer performance.
* Integrated vertical grip. The Z8+grip is about 2cm taller than the Z9. If the grip will always be used, the Z9 is probably a better choice. [This is my struggle, for later in the year...]
Why would they tell you that when they make money from affiliate links to buy the camera?
In America it’s a zee-9, not Zed 😊
Here in Canada it's Zed.
Does this camera have Wi-Fi so you can transfer it immediately to your phone? Thanks!
Maybe they can release a photographer's version of the Z8 without the high frame rate & video fluff that I don't need, maybe the true sucessor to the D700. Let's call it the Z7! ;)
Doubtful. I think there are too few "photographer only" customers for Nikon to make a dedicated camera for that segment.
@@UnconventionalReasoning I wasn't been serious mate...
@@pjc3163 Cool. Most people whining about the Z8 seem to be serious. It's a bit difficult to tell who is joking.
While I'm overall thrilled with this camera, I don't believe it's the camera I was waiting for. My disappointment is with the vertical grip. It still only takes Nikon's small batteries not the larger ones. Plus when you add the grip it becomes significantly larger than the Z9. I always use a vertical grip (pinky curls underneath and get hand cramps without one). Don't a lot of professional light painting I need good battery life and that has scared me from jumping to mirrorless. The Z9 is probably the camera for me but I'm not exciting about spending that money - especially as converting will only get me a sideways step resolution wise from my D850. I can't justify a case for transitioning yet. My D4s backup is long in the tooth, but I just never touch it as my D850 has been so great since day 1. Eventually I'll be forced to go mirrorless and it'll be in the Nikon eco-system. Is it the Z9, whatever comes next as a flagship, I don't know.Maybe I'll drop down to a Z7II for other work other than light painting. I don't know.
Matt Granger did a battery test and got over 6750 shots with 24% battery test. So unless you shoot more than that, the battery should be a non issue. Besides the 15C battery is like 3 years old now. I am not surprised if a 15 D version is around the corner.
I agree! A battery grip on Z8 will make it larger than a Z9 and to me it almost look like an after-thought, to be honest. If you consistently use a vertical grip you better save some more money and get the Z9 instead. Having said that, there’s also the option to hook a power bank to the usb-c port at the bottom on the Z8, if power supply is you main concern.
Cameras with removable grips are always larger than ones with integrated grips. That’s true since forever. Look at the F5 vs F100 with grip. Look at D3 vs D700 with grip. Look at D5 vs D850 with grip. Or any Canon for that matter.
I guess some people just haven’t been around cameras for very long. That’s why many people love integrated grip pro cameras like the Z9 or D5 - because they are smaller and more compact than comparable cameras with removable grips.
@corey chappelle the difference between 45 and 60mp is the difference between a 20 x 30" print and a 23 x 34.5" print.
I also always use the vertical grip. The Z7 was a big disappointment for me for that reason, and I got the Z7II as soon as it was available.
If the speed is not needed, the Z7II has all the image quality of the Z9/Z8. With the grip, the Z7II feels very comfortable, an easy switch from the D850 (+ grip). The Z7II is half the price of the Z9... The Z7II grip has a USB-C port to power/charge it, and the first battery is hot-swappable.
The resolution of the Nikon full frame bodies will hopefully stay at 45mp. Going to 60mp is insignificant. Going even higher introduces even more diffraction at apertures in the f/8 range.
I love nikon, however using an SD card instead of dual cf express card will slow down the camera try it and see what happens😢
In my opinion, if you need the two cf express cards, just get a z9
Nikon did this with the D800/D810/D850. The message is simple: "If you need the best high-speed performance, there's a camera for you. The Z9."
On one hand, some people are saying that the Z9 buyers will be angry that the Z8 is so close in features and performance. On the other hand, some people are asking why the Z8 doesn't have every feature and spec of the Z9. That suggests that Nikon found the sweet spot pretty well. The optimal price might be uncertain, but they can always lower that if it makes sense. Like if the Z7III is left on the drawing board.
To average enthusiast photographers, it's too expensive, and beyond our financial reach, pity, I'll never have one.
Regards Rob.
That's why the Nikon mirrorless cameras have a 3-stop price range, from $700 to $5500 USD. Most can find the right 'exposure' for them.
@@UnconventionalReasoning not sure I agree with you, in life other priorities rear their heads, luxuries such as expensive cameras (even at $700) have to take a back seat. $700 is a lot of money to a lot of people. Camera buyers delude themselves into thinking they must have the latest camera gear no matter the cost, I'm not in that camp.
@@robstammers7149 Two words: used cameras.
Less expensive cameras have been eliminated by cell phone cameras.
@@UnconventionalReasoning I only buy used cameras/lenses, they offer better value for my hard earned money.
@@robstammers7149 I agree. While I've bought mostly new cameras, they're often on sale a year or more after launch. Most lenses are used, I completely agree on the value benefit.
Hopefully the Nikon camera that will be launched in 2023/24 will carry the specs below to beat cameras like the Sony A7IV, Sony ZV-E1, Canon EOS R6II and Panasonic Lumix S5II & S5II
Nikon Z7III
-45.7MP FX-Format BSI CMOS Sensor
-EXPEED 7 Image Processor
-8K30p, 4K120p, 4K60p 10-Bit 4:2:2 Internal (full sensor) oversampled from 8K, N-LOG2 & HLG
-N-RAW, ProRes RAW 12-Bit Via HDMI
-ProRes 422/HQ/LT 4:2:2, H.265 codecs
-8-Stop In-Body 5-Axis Sensor Shift Vibration Reduction
-Anti-Dust Shutter Mechanism
-10fps Mechanical Shutter, 20fps Electronic Shutter Shooting With AF/AE Tracking
-AI Based Subject Detection With Deep Learning
-7xx Point PDAF, 3D Tracking, Real Time Eye AF
-5.76m-Dot OLED EVF With 120Hz Refresh Rate
-3.2" 2.1m-Dot Vari-Angle Tilting Touchscreen LCD
-Dual: CFexpress Type B/XQD & SD Card Slot (UHS II)
-Full-size HDMI Port
-5GHz MIMO WiFi, Bluetooth, and GNSS
Price Around $3000
Nikon Z6III
-24MP FX-Format BSI CMOS Sensor
-EXPEED 7 Image Processor
-6K30p, 4K120p, 4K60p 10-Bit 4:2:2 Internal (full sensor) oversampled from 6K, N-LOG2 & HLG
-N-RAW, ProRes RAW 12-Bit Via HDMI
-ProRes 422/HQ/LT 4:2:2, H.265 codecs
-8-Stop In-Body 5-Axis Sensor Shift Vibration Reduction
-Anti-Dust Shutter Mechanism
-15fps Mechanical Shutter, 40fps Electronic Shutter Shooting With AF/AE Tracking
-AI Based Subject Detection With Deep Learning
-7xx Point PDAF, 3D Tracking, Real Time Eye AF
-3.69m-Dot OLED EVF With 120Hz Refresh Rate
-3.2" 2.1m-Dot Vari-Angle Tilting Touchscreen LCD
-Dual: CFexpress Type B/XQD & SD Card Slot (UHS II)
-Full-size HDMI Port
-5GHz MIMO WiFi, Bluetooth, and GNSS
-Price Around $2000
I agree that the Z6III needs to be released within the next year. I think the Z7III will be left on the drawing board.
Looks good
In 🇨🇦, it's priced at $6100 incl. Tax...very steep
If you want to add the vertical grip, this camera makes no sense. It’s bigger than the Z9, which also still has a better battery. It’s also bigger than the Z9 and the price difference is no longer significant. However, if you won’t use the battery grip and don’t mind storing jpegs on the SD card with raw on the CF, it’s a winner. I have a Z9 and find that I now shoot vertically much more so than I did before. However, if this was available when I bought the Z9, I might have bought the Z8.
As a wildlife shooter, I think that Nikon needs to continue firmware upgrades for both cameras so that eye detect has a greater range.
With all the firmware updates to the Z9, it seems unlikely that they will stop now.
Since you're using the Z9 vertically more than you previously did, you'll still be happier with the Z9 than the Z8 + grip. Switching from horizontal to vertical is more seamless with the Z9 than Z8. [With the D3 / D700+grip, it seemed to me that the opposite was true.]
Even better now with the new 2.0 firmware update!
in about 6 years it will be at my price point. The nice thing about Digital Cameras is they loose their value over time pretty quickly
Of course they had to cripple it in some way vs the Z9. Mixing CF Express and SD card slots and not using the large Z9 battery in the battery grip are mistakes in my book.
The D800/D810/D850 had mixed card slots. They had to do *something* to differentiate it from the Z9. Unlike the D850 grip, the Z8 grip allows hot-swapping. There's also power delivery from the USB-C-PD port. At some point, photographers really need to stop waiting for their unicorn.
"Zed" ??
We're Canadian ;)
Correct Zed
Amazing innovation! Just like the Z9 except smaller and cheaper with two different memory cards, one good and one not so good. Nikon also kept the crappy screen. Great innovation.
Yup, blows away the competition in the A7R V and R5. Sony and Canon caught slacking.
Love you guys but you need better sound lousy audio from the Camera Store
Heyo. Would you be able to be a bit more specific on what the issue is? Like is it to quiet?
if only the AF was on par with Canon & Sony - still got a long way to go
That’s not true. Take a look at the Z9 reviews. Almost all of them say the differences are so small it doesn’t really matter.
@@tor2919 The Z9 is way behind for AF function as well compared to Canon & Sony, maybe in a few years Nikon will get there
@@Mr.Zen_73 The description of "way behind" is really odd. But go enjoy your Sony or Canon, haters gonna hate.
Untrue.
When I heard the price 4599 Euro I stopped thinking about it.
I'm curious what price had you start thinking about it?
@@UnconventionalReasoning I never planned to get one but suspected it at around 3500 euro or so.
@@Audimann The Z7II was released at 3000 Euro. A Z7III would have been 3500 or less, the Z8 should be 4000. Going up to 4600 may have more to do with currency exchange rates. In the US, the Z7II was released at $3000 and the Z8 at $4000. It was generally expected to be $3800-4000.
@@UnconventionalReasoning 4599 Euro means 5031 USD. Crazy😕
@@Audimann Yes, there's something else going on with that. Tariffs, perhaps?
So it has the same IQ as the D850 in still mode?
Yes, as do the Z9, Z7, and Z7II.
I have done photo sessions with both the D850 and Z7, and then the D850 and Z7II. After the files are renamed, I have no idea which camera was used without looking at the EXIF data.
Actually I'm a little disappointed by the size of the Z8. I chose the Nikon mirrorless system because of the compact Z6 & Z7 bodies for full frame. Will the Z8 fit my hand a little better? Yes, but it's also heavier than its direct competitors. I really wanted a Z7 format body with the imporved autofocus of the Z9, the pre-buffer capability and the sensor protector when the camera is off. I would have given up some of its more advanced video modes for a more compact body. And the autofocus isn't still up to Canon and Sony levels. This according to online reviewers and influencers. Basically a mirrorless camera does not need to approach the size of a DSLR to be comfortable to hold. Old film SLRs were compact in size in comparison to DSLRs. No need for huge cameras if there is no need for a mirror box. Nikon has gone the wrong way on size and weight with the Z8.
"Nikon has gone the wrong way on size and weight with the Z8."
Nope, this is the ideal size for a workhorse camera. Slightly smaller & lighter than the D850 which gave no hand cramps so I expect the same with the Z8. Canon R5 was half a size too small, doable for a full work day but mild hand cramp and Sony Alpha too small for work but good for traveling which is occasional camera holding.
Hopefully a lot of the features of the Z8/Z9 line trickles down to the Z6/Z7.
@@Rocky_KO I agree the size is fine, though some might have liked a little smaller.
For me this isn't hitting it, the build hasn't got enough mag alloy, the lack of drive dial, and the vertical grip design is awful - way too big
Not enough to consider retiring the D8xx bodies I have, in fact I'll invest in more
My guy needs to hit the gym
Sadly I'm one of those that feel negative on this. 3 years old tech in smaller body and not a single new selling feature. I waited 2 years almost for in and got tired and bought z9 which is too chunky for my mlst uses but now there is no point to sell it and get less capable camera (which it is). Just 1 year too late...
I have said it many times if the body is innovative but the lenses are not. Why bother? Why release innovative bodies if the innovative lenses comes 4 years later? Or never? Canon and Nikon probably make better bodies than Sony, but again WHO CARES!? You gotta mount something to it for it to work!?!? And no, adapting old big outdated dslr lenses is not part of it.
What nikon lenses are not great?
@@VIDEOVISTAVIEW2020 not saying their not great, but which nikon lenses are innovative to go with these innovative bodies? Nikons mirrorlens lens line up complete?
@@halvorevensen1840 the current awesome Z lens line up is already being filled up and sooner than later, it will be completed
Innovative lenses? Hmm, well innovative is good, but what matters more to me is that pretty much all my favourite focal lengths are covered with excellent Z glass that performs spectacularly.
My clients couldn't care less about how innovative my lens collection is. All they care about is that I continue to deliver crisp and colorful images that tells the story, and Nikon Z helps me do just that effortlessly. And that's what let's me continue to put food on the table with my work.
500pf, 800pf, 400 f4.5, 400 S TC, 600 S TC…
But I have to say, that your accusation that Nikon has not been innovative with their lenses is pretty innovative 😂
No mechanical shutter = less dynamic range, less Image quality, more noise, poor image quality in very bright sunny days as well as very poor low light. Overall so disappointment in Nikon. Hopefully they don’t mess up the z6iii/7iii 😢.
More like there is nothing else to talk about because stills photography reached a dead end 6 years ago with the Sony A9. Good luck staying in business.
Z9 is now for sale
Sorry, but IMHO the whole lineup from Canon, Fujifilm, Nikon, Panasonic, and Sony is simply clunky-chunky, pugly-ugly! They all look the same and differ in silly features, most of which many could do without. They are BORING!!
WHY are all these top-notch companies incapable of coming up with a camera that is as elegant and classy-looking as a Hasselblad or even a Leica? Give me a beautiful X1Dii any day over the latest 900th edition of a Canon Mark 18, Nikon Mark 25, or Sony Mark 150. Despite their technical prowess and innovation, the Japanese companies really need to learn from the Europeans.
What's with all this "Zed" BS? its ZEE here in the America's. Surprised you guys didnt pronounce it "Nehkon" as well 🙄. Also, as long as Nikon continues to use EVF's from 2018, Im not buying their cameras.
It's Zed in Canada
As Randy said, we're not American
Also zed in Uk 🇬🇧
Nikon rebirths a Z9...like Z30 is a Zfc... like a Z50... and a Z6II is well a Z6.....😢 Nikon has gone out of business already they are just using up the parts bin. Nothing new to see here.
Thank you Mister Genius
@@ThePeterR66 Show me where the truth hurt you. A shockingly over-hyped re-release of an existing camera. Nikon is out of ideas and it's now just cynical marketing fluff.
Lol the Z8 kills the competition. Nikon has always done this and it’s a wonderful thing. Unlike Sony or Canon that cripple their cheaper cameras relative to their flagships Nikon releases a cheaper and smaller camera with the same incredible specs. Same as D3/D700.
And the Z9 has been heavily updated. It’s not the same camera as when it released. Unlike the loser A1
@@tor2919 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Nikon JUST catches up to the competition with nothing left in the tank. Dream on.
@@bradl2636 Everyone keeps saying, "It's the photographer, not the camera!" So what else do we need the camera to do?