LOL, I'm not a video guy so I have no idea why I was watching this, except I find you entertaining. So after about 13 minutes, I'm trying to come up with a smart ass way to ask if it even takes photos. Your timing was perfect! Yes, it does take pictures. Thanks for throwing us stills guys a bone.😉
Mate, i gotta say. HUUUUGE THANK YOU! You are the only UA-camr I know that ALWAYS answers all the questions floating around in my mind. Watching your videos is like yoga for my mind and takes all my German quality anxiety away because I know all my questions will be answered :D. Thank you for all the work you put in instead of just talking about the obvious. 150/100
Thanks for the review Gerald! Was interested in a dynamic range test, was glad when your review showed up! Some of these hybrid video cameras have an insane amount of options for CoDecs, frame sizes, oversampled/line skipped, etc. it's hard to keep all their features and benefits committed to memory!
@@4.N.A.M They will have to. The z6ii and z7ii are literally end 2018 tech. They really just have to put the new Xspeed 7 processor for better autofocus and then some enhancement like 10 bit internal video format. The rest is already very good, perhaps higher rez viewfinder as it doesn't have to be real speed camera.
Yet again the best video about this camera comes from Gerald. Well done! That NR issue in h.265 is very odd, though. 1) Is there anyway to turn it off? 2) this wasn’t an issue in the Z9?
Hi Gerald. As a stills guy, I really appreciate that you mentioned near the end of the video about the screen information flipping to correspond to the vertical mode. After having this feature on my Fuji, I find it really awkward to use a camera now where this doesn’t happen automatically.
Thanks for the detailed review Gerald, always helpful. Seems like there is a growing user base wanting to use Nikon as a legitimate video/cinema tool and this is a great resource.
Since the Z9 came out I said I loved it but not great for hikes and lots of running around. It was massive and I never liked vertical grips to begin with. Finally I get what I want, quality of the Z9 but better for carrying around day to day. And the video time limits don't bother me at all. Get some high quality clips and B-roll along with top notch Nikon raw files for photo editing. Preorder is in. I am done!
There are a few things to consider when buying a Z8 if you are using a Z7ii. First off subject tracking is not available for stills anymore. I had my FN1 button near the lens mount set to subject tracking to swap from auto focus all points to a smaller box for picking exactly what I want focused on. It was simple, one button and done. That is no more on the Z8. They did introduce 3D tracking, which is a better focus mode BUT if you assign 3D tracking to the FN1 button you can not press it to swap in and out of the modes. You have to CONTINUOUSLY HOLD IT DOWN to stay in 3D tracking mode. Your other option is to use the new focus button on the button left side of the camera and use the sub-command wheel to swap modes. Instead of 1 button swap, not its a 2 finger adjustment. A big reason I wanted the Z8 for weddings was pre-release capture. But if you are like me and write raw to CF Express cards, and jpeg to SD as a backup, your pre-capture release are written to the SD card only, meaning you have to wade through all the files a second time to check for those pre-capture release files. This is so much of a pain in the ass I will likely not use the amazing feature. You need to modify A LOT of the camera's settings. I had to change about 25 different items when setting it up to fix things like not having a histogram in your eyelet or monitor. Also make sure you go into your custom controls and turn off the 'Lens control ring' in F3 or you will accidently change your aperture by accident when holding your lens.
Going over the white paper for N-Log the Log curve really only allows for a maximum of 14 stops of DR. I am curious if you used a better log, like ArriLog if you would return a better DR result. Simply decode the N-RAW as linear use a Color Space Transform to convert the Linear to ArriLogC3 or Log3g10 maybe and see if there's anything to be gained that way over the N-Log in the 2:1 DR range?
its possible since its 12 bit(if the cmos sensor can resolve it and the log curve actually supports it, similar to slog2 which cannot resolve more than 14 due to the curve itself. note: some of the linear to log may actually be partially debayered so unrecoverable. and noise is always going to be a factor. also, the arrilog lut does rolloff saturation at the top 1% so that may not give you results you want if you need max sat at highest luma.
I would recommend watching CineD lab test. But don't stick to the first part using xila chart and imatest, but the latitude test, which I would call, real life Dr. And their the Z9 beats everything Sony even the Venice 2!!!
The optional battery grip adds a neat feature - you can HOT swap those "smaller batteries" basically giving a potentially longer field running time. I like it :) 👍👍👍
As someone who prefers shoots MF with adapted glass and is disgusted by non linear focus by wire, seeing customization in that area sounds like a godsend
Wow, this is my first time here, and I'm very impressed. Your setup is amazing, great background and colors, great lighting, it all looks so professional. Great sound, too. I don't do video, I'm a landscape photographer, but I pre-ordered the Z8 and have been watching videos about its capabilities. Thought I'd learn more about its video features too, so that's how I got here. Thumbs up, man. Exceptional work you've put into this. Not only (very) aesthetically pleasing, but such in-depth information as well. All-around a very deserving 'like.' 👍🏻
Hi Gerald! Now that the Nikon Z8 has its firmware update where we can shoot at ISO 200 and ISO 400 in NLOG, what is the dynamic range performance on the Z8 with those options?
Hi Undone, I think you can use FFT analysis of the frequency resolution of each readout mode to see directly the sampling resolution (when the sensor is undersampled).😉FFT is much more convenient than the naked eye.
Hi, i have a few questions about nikon raw editing in DaVinci resolve. I hope you will find time. Thanks. 1. What is the difference between nikon raw sdr and nikon raw log? 2. When setting the paramater of a clip, shot in 12 bit raw sdr, in DaVinci raw panel, 'decode using' is set to clip 'colour space' is set to rec.2020 And when i set the 'gamma' to Nikon N-Log the SDR footage starts looking exactly like a video shot in log. I want to know what is this behavior? Is resolve really interpreting the raw sdr video as raw log video?
I know that you use DaVinci, but I think many people would want to know what it feels like to edit the different codecs in both DaVinci and Premiere, especially on slightly older computers or Laptops. A lot of cameras pack interesting features but make editing super hard which is a super important consideration in purchasing a camera for some people.
You can always download sample files to play with. Plenty of folks offer sample RAW or ProRes files from all sorts of cameras to work though on your machine. You can always use proxies too. Pretty much every NLE has some sort of proxy generator or optimized media function.
@@sumtrend On Nikon USA page, in the section where they talk about the video specs, in the one mentioning 12 bit RAW, they provide a link to check out the files for yourself.
If I only understood all the technicalities of video shooting. But it’s a deficiency on my side, a Nikon-shooter mainly taking photos. I just ordered a Z8 and will come back to this very credible video. Thanks. Hans-Martin
I had a professor in college who you remind me of. He taught a course in the history of the middle east & was one of the top 3 experts in the world on ancient near eastern Semitic languages...one of only a tiny handful of people in the world who could translate Egyptian hieroglyphs, Sumerian & Akkadian. He talked at a pace like you do, & from the time he started till he finished his lecture, you wrote as fast as you possibly could or you used a tape recorder..the downside being that you had to then take notes off that & invest a 2nd hour outside of class just for that. I averaged 150 pages of handwritten notes for a test & even condensed to basic phrases I'd have nearly 100 pages. I worked my ass off for a B in that class. I listen to you because you're an information fire hose. In all honesty, I have to run every full video back half a dozen times & roll back individual clips more than that just to conceptualize all this information. Full disclosure...I learned to shoot in the analogue era so this is a steep learning curve. What kind of coursework do you offer...if you do?
Incredible to see you how you have grown from your first video 6 years ago making a DIY lighting set up "Ah fucking bit my finger with that now! lol" to a sophisticated state of the art @UA-cam channel with an amazing community. So inspiring to see your hard work coming to fruition! Great Job @Gerald Undone => Bravo sir! Someday I will take my food channel to the next level, until then I wish you THE BEST!
in this range of specs it must be the best camera ever created yet tho? It is unbelievable. I am still waiting for the Lumix S1m2, they gotta do same specs!
You mentioned that the image cleaned up after recording a few seconds of h265 -- I wonder if that's only because it was a stationary/static scene though.
The cobalts run pretty cool but the Delkin Blacks seem to run even lower: 15F/8C lower. I'm curious if that difference translates into longer record times because the card is basically a heater plugged into the core of the camera body. I have both the Z8 and Black card on order and will look into it. I don't shoot long clips but I do sometimes shoot video in 80-100F environments and probably at that 8.3K60p
Hi, can I ask what's your opinion on the best CFE card for the Z8? I've been using XQD for sometime and I'd like to get a CFE card, but I'm unsure what to get. I've heard good things about the Sony TOUGH cards, but there are so many options out there. Just wondering what users with first-hand experience think about this. I've definitely heard good things about the Cobalts, too. If you could have any card, which one would you pick?
@@HaggenKennedy I’m only researching currently. It seems to depend heavily on what you plan to do. Most of them seem fine for photography. The more expensive ($1.50/GB+) are more capable at handling the highest bit-rate (raw) video files and deep buffer photo shooting like action subjects. The tough card reviews I’ve seen say that the temps get hot quick and the card throttles the speed significantly. The delkin and cobalts seem to be the best. The Angelfire line seems to have fitting issues (Z9 second slot) and non-existent-warranty headaches.
@@AffinityPhoto Indeed, that's what I've been getting as well. I think I'll probably go with a Delkin Black. Out of all the cards I've researched, it seems to be the one with the lowest number of issues and also the most well-balanced (read/write speed, dependability, ruggedness, physical dimensions, does not run too hot, etc.). It seems to check all the boxes, and even if it's not the fastest card on the market, I don't care so much because I am a landscape photographer, so that is not an issue for me (and yet, it's fast & reliable enough to not hinder me on the odd occasion I need to shoot something else). It also comes with a lifetime warranty and a 48h replacement turnaround, which can't hurt. Seems like a good deal, and I'll probably get one.
@@raynerp Thanks, Rayner. Indeed I've seen a few videos that attest to what you said. However, I've also seen a number of people complaining about the physical dimensions of the card, which apparently makes it get suck in the camera's card slot. For that reason, I've been sort of avoiding it. The Delkin really seems to be the most well-rounded of all cards.
Your reviews are the best. So detailed and insightful. Would you say it would be better for a nikon shooter who wants to do more professional video to save money and get the z8, instead of getting a s5ii to help with video jobs? Would appreciate your thoughts.
Great video! I love the level of depth you get into. When you're doing the H.264 tests, are you testing the default profile only, or do you poke around at Nikon's custom colour profile settings at all? I don't know about the Z8/9, but in the Z5/6 there is a "High ISO NR" setting in the video menu, and I'm not convinced "off" is fully off. There's also a "manage picture control" page with 3 separate sharpening filters and a 'clarity' slider, all of which are cranked pretty high by default.
Hi, thanks for the review. Could you share your opinion about hdmi lag? Is it still there in coparison with z6 or with panasonics which still provide huge ammount of dellay while outputing the image? Also, I didn't quite get there about nikon n log monitoring. Is there some kind of option live view assist which shows rec 709 version of your image? Can you upload your own rec 709 luts? Can we agree that all this overheating thing for this camera is not such a big deal if you record many short takes and shoot regular stuff for example: events, commercials where camera doesn't need to take long takes and there are enough time between the takes? Can you record video eventually longer if you power the camera from PD source thus avoind hot battery warning? If you could answer these questions everyone would be happy :) Thanks.
I have tested this with the Ninja V. It is significantly faster and almost no noticeable lag. The z6ii had a good 0.5 sec lag from my experience, the 8 lag does vary depending on the recording res/frame rate, but its almost non existent to the average user.
I wonder if the NR improved over time because the image it was cleaning up was static, as opposed to real world where you may be filming bushes, trees randomly moving to the wind.
Criminally undersubscribed channel. Fantastic content and delivery. Keep up the great work! Your videos always convey what I'm looking to learn in an entertaining, professional, & informative way!
When I switched from DSLR to mirrorless, one of the key reasons was the small size and weight, but Nikon mirrorless models are getting bigger than DSLR now, same are those huge Z mount lenses.
Great offering. It’s cool seeing tempting offers like this and the S5II(X) from Nikon and Panasonic that really challenge the current market supremacy of Canon and Sony.
I still don't understand why the dynamic range test of cined of the z9 with the same sensor only showed 10 stops in medium noise ratio and 13 total. Any thoughts on that anyone?
That's the 8K raw on a 8K timeline, which I show here as well and they match closely. But if you look at their 8K on 4K results from the lab test before raw came out, they also got the same 11.6 stops I got too. It all matches. 👍
You NEED to use Assimilate Scratch to calculate the real dynamic range of the Z8, you get so much more than in davinci resolve, it's almost like BlackMagic design is limiting Nikon raw footage dynamic range... use the hightlight recovey tool and even the expose setting of the .NEV format it has nothing to do compared to Davinci...
Great review as always, I have been waiting for this camera for a while as a more video centered body to add to my z7/z6ii bodies. I've never been happy with the z6ii footage even with the Atomos ninja v. I had a play this week with a z8 and found the video to be good, but I'm not sure its what i expected. I've been considering selling all my gear and moving to Sony. Couple of A7Rv's and associated lenses. If you were to pick between the z8 and an a7rv for video, what would you choose? Don't take price into account.
@@raynerp Yeah it might be... that said ive had nikon lend me the z8 recently and a z9 in the past. sony lent me an a7rv a few months ago and ive used a7s3 and fx3/6 for films, but never at the same time, same scene etc. ive used nikon for the last 20 years and so other systems don't always gel when you use them for a few days. hence my question from someone who tests them fairly rigorously.
@@epicimages5583 I wrote this for someone else. I was quite puzzled by how the only Z9/z8 video with a Sony sensor has such a lower DR in video. I made some research and it was quite enlighting. I would recommend anyone about the video DR of the z9 (Z8 should be very close), To check the Cine5d lab test. No big surprise when you check the synthetic Imatest benchmark which is about same as here, that is strangely the Nikon/Sony sensor scores quite lower than for example the Sony A1. But once you check the real life latitude test, the result are quite stunning. It scores at least half to a stop higher than the A1. At least 1 perhaps 1.5 above the R5c and more surprisingly Red Komodo. A very generous 4 stop above and 4 below, and if you push a little bit it could go half a stop in both highlight and shadows. www.cined.com/nikon-z-9-n-raw-lab-test-fw-3-00-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/ Thats Sony A1 www.cined.com/sony-a1-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/ Canon R5c www.cined.com/canon-eos-r5-c-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/ It would be very close to the Canon C70 with its dual gain sensor with 9 stop of latitude www.cined.com/canon-eos-c70-lab-test-with-the-raw-update-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/ Those test are very interesting as the likes of Alexa ARRI ALEXA Mini LF confirm they are clearly above the rest with a conservative 10 stops of latitude while other results are astonishing as the Komodo, or Sony Venice which are below what you would have expected. I think the problem with Nikon Imatest result is about its log implementation, that is they went for a more contrast look that cut the shadows so that it doesn't look too noisy contrary to others.
yep, they chose a more contrast look to burry the shadows (noise), it hampers the synthetic benchmark. But when you see real life test (latitude) in the cineD lab test, it is actually better than most camera, at least half a stop better than the A1, at least 1 above the Canon R5c. It is very close for example to the Canon C70 with its dual gain sensor.
Great camera. I recommend avoiding the Nikon version of Nlog LUTs. The contrast is not as strong as V1 but the exposure shift is weird and the color saturation is still heavy.
i dont give a shhh ... about 8K, i just want 4K60, FHD 120FPS with oversample and 15stops of dynamic range and 10 Bit color ... btw, always love the video gerald undone review style ...
one question? does it output 4k60 or 1080p60 when recording in 120p in any resolution? for exemple to use a external monitor just as a secondary monitor, cos the hdmi output is limited to 60p for exemple in sony a7iii i can record internal 1080p120 and have a signal output of 60p to see in a secondary monitor, but with my z6 i cant, it does not output anything when recording 120p, and i would like to use a secondary monitor in some cases
Hi Gerald -- good work -- very good vid and advice. I assume you used the ProGrade Cobalt 650GB for all your tests in ~20ºC. Big takeaways for me -- when a heat limit has been hit a cool down down of 5-10 mins allows same max record time to be achieved -- replacing card/battery or starting a new recording extend the duration but heat also needs to be managed. Anyone seeking to use a Z8 on a production should perform their own tests to understand the operating limits of their gear. Placing a Z8 in a rig/cage, adding a lens, pulling LV feed to an external monitor, and powering with a d-tap from a v or gold battery will all change the performance "a bit" - so set up the camera how you would use it and test. some cards run hotter and others cooler - obviously source appropriate cards for your work -- and if thermal limits are a concern then invest in the coolest running -- it would help if your provided some tests to explore this. Do hot cards drop frames or just record until the camera shuts down? My own favourite CFE-B cards are the Delkin Black 650GB, Sabrent Rocket CFX Pro 2TB and Angelbird AV Pro Mk2 4TB. I find these run cooler than others. One has to be very careful with which codex/format one uses when storing to the UHS-II SD card slot - the fastest and coolest card I could find is the 518GB OWC Atlas S Pro V90 - I will test this but I expect that only H265 and H264 can be saved to it. Hopefully when my Z8 arrives I will find out later today. I take your guidance wrt ProRes 422 HQ being your preferred/recommended codex - I assume that you are in N-log. Like most I have recorded a lot of 8.3k60p HQ N-RAW N-LOG on the Z9 and it just runs and runs producing TB and TB of files. With a smaller body camera one has to make reasonable compromises -- like not planning to shoot endless footage of the highest codex fps possible, just because one can !!
Any chance for video quality comparison between Z6II and Z8? 4K with max quality options? if I already have Z6 II (with BRAW recorder or internal 8 bit), would I gain quality if upgrading to Z8 - internal 4K 60p oversampled from 8K, at ISO 1000?
Hi Gerald I have 3 questions for you. 1. You mentioned the camera had 2 ISO bases, what are they? 2. When recording to an external recorder like the Atomos Ninja V/V+ what's the highest output resolution and frame rate combination? Can it output 4K @ 120 fps over HDMI? 3. Can the Z8 record to internal media while simultaneously outputting a 10 bit signal over HDMI ? I ask because I own a Nikon Z6 II and it cannot do a backup recording to the internal media while outputting to the external recorder. As always my guy, great review and thank you for not shitting on Nikon as most other UA-camrs do. :)
I can tell you from my experience with the Z9, that the second base ISO for video is 4000. I was amazed when i found this out and it was easy to grade with practically no noise. I've only tested this with NRAW however.
@@davidgfisher thanks for the info. Really nice to know that they are already working with some firmware updates. What he said in the video, is they're working out to change the Base ISO for N-log to 200ISO, which is really nice to have. Probably they should keep the 4000 dual-iso. The hardware is all there, they just need to be more bold with software and UI changes and give us more options. DCI, 6K, Open gate would be great to have.
Hello Gerald Thank you for your review. Question. Why don't you think Davinci Resolve has more settings for video RAW? Like in Lightroom Photo RAW development. For example the HSL colour range... Greetings from Switzerland
The applications the Z9 was designed for, like action, sports, and wildlife, you’d want a vertical grip. To use the Z8 instead, you’d need to install the accessory grip which increases the cost, and makes the Z8 even bigger than the Z9. Plus you have the drawbacks of one SD slot and poorer battery life. I guess if you don’t need to take advantage of the Z8’s stellar AF performance like for landscape or product photography, it doesn’t really make sense because the Z7 series can handle those applications for a lot less money than the Z8.
Awesome video! Very excited to get the Z8 finally. But just wondering, any ideas how to expose properly in camera when there aren't any exposure tools available? Any advice would be great, thanks! Surprised there wasn't even a light meter when in video mode.
@@danielvilliers612 Thanks! Yeah, I see waveforms and zebras but honestly, I find it pretty difficult to judge properly with those on the screen. Was hoping for any additional tips, ha! It's a bit easier to see a light meter to know how over exposed an image is vs looking at waveforms (for me). Thanks man!
Agreed on all points. Lets no pretend shall we? The Z8 is one of the best hybrid body in the world today. It does everything well. With continous firmware updates that Nikon practices, it won't be long before it gets " pre capture raw" and RED video algorythm. Yes, others like R5II,A9II,AR7V are equal to the task as well. We live at the time when photographers are the ones benefiting progress in technology. The deficit is we ourselves. We need to embrace it, learn about it and cherish the moments using them. To me, Nikon did great justice to the D850 by introducing its mirrorless counterpart
Tbh, the z8 is almost perfect: I didn't want to buy one but it's just so complete it is almost seducing me... There's only one clear feature missing: I really wanted it to record directly to an ssd via usb, like the bmpcc or the gh6. Is it too much to hope for a firmware update?
Gerald, I could use your help. I have a lot of Nikon Z Cameras and Z Glass. Ihave been waiting on the Z8, and may buy the body. Looking in better AF than the Z6 and Z7. Also the 4k 120 interests me. But now I am also looking at the Sony ZV-E1 and then pairing that with a G master lens.. I am 90 percent video. And looking for high quality AF and video. Also the flip out screen would be handy on the Sony. Which body would you recommend?
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It seems that if you already owned a Z9, you'd likely be quite upset with the sudden extra depreciation 😂 Kudos to Nikon for "self cannibalising" in a way that is good for the consumer though. I assume they need to make such actions in order to gain some ground, and by the presales stats floating around it seems they've succeeded! The overheating stuff is quite disappointing really. Having useed an S1H since launch and now having an S5ii, it seems like a no-brainer to put active cooling in hybrid shooting bodies. 12:34 - Excellent Goose action
the thing is tho both the Z9 and Z8 are pretty cost efficient and once you add on the extra grip and battery and stuff on the Z8, it makes up the price difference but Z9 still definitely is a more superior camera but not as accessible to the prosumer as this one
Most folks wont really record continuously for that long at such resolutions for the camera to overheat. Those that do need to record that long continuously would be better off with a dedicated video cam. This is a hybrid cam targeted at hybrid shooters who do not usually record so long at one go :)
@@_zakkus is not accessible for prosumers as this one???? you make it sound like Z9 cost $55,000. The percentage cost difference between Z8 and Z9 is not that great.... $1500... the price of a decent camera lens.
I'm GERALD UNDONE, and every move you make, every step you take, I'll be watching you
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@@sane7798 hahaha love it!
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LOL, I'm not a video guy so I have no idea why I was watching this, except I find you entertaining. So after about 13 minutes, I'm trying to come up with a smart ass way to ask if it even takes photos. Your timing was perfect! Yes, it does take pictures. Thanks for throwing us stills guys a bone.😉
Perfection!
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Mate, i gotta say. HUUUUGE THANK YOU! You are the only UA-camr I know that ALWAYS answers all the questions floating around in my mind. Watching your videos is like yoga for my mind and takes all my German quality anxiety away because I know all my questions will be answered :D. Thank you for all the work you put in instead of just talking about the obvious. 150/100
Thanks for the review Gerald! Was interested in a dynamic range test, was glad when your review showed up! Some of these hybrid video cameras have an insane amount of options for CoDecs, frame sizes, oversampled/line skipped, etc. it's hard to keep all their features and benefits committed to memory!
Always appreciate your unbiased and technical assessments
Really excited for this camera! Hopefully we get updates to the Z7II, Z6II, and/or Z5 later this year.
Don't hold your breathe.
@@raysanders332 Yeah, haha. It’s really just wishful thinking.
@@4.N.A.M They will have to. The z6ii and z7ii are literally end 2018 tech. They really just have to put the new Xspeed 7 processor for better autofocus and then some enhancement like 10 bit internal video format. The rest is already very good, perhaps higher rez viewfinder as it doesn't have to be real speed camera.
Yet again the best video about this camera comes from Gerald. Well done! That NR issue in h.265 is very odd, though. 1) Is there anyway to turn it off? 2) this wasn’t an issue in the Z9?
would love to know more about this too, maybe Gerald can investigate?
1) No.
2) Probably.
Hi Gerald. As a stills guy, I really appreciate that you mentioned near the end of the video about the screen information flipping to correspond to the vertical mode. After having this feature on my Fuji, I find it really awkward to use a camera now where this doesn’t happen automatically.
Thanks for the detailed review Gerald, always helpful. Seems like there is a growing user base wanting to use Nikon as a legitimate video/cinema tool and this is a great resource.
Since the Z9 came out I said I loved it but not great for hikes and lots of running around. It was massive and I never liked vertical grips to begin with. Finally I get what I want, quality of the Z9 but better for carrying around day to day. And the video time limits don't bother me at all. Get some high quality clips and B-roll along with top notch Nikon raw files for photo editing. Preorder is in. I am done!
There are a few things to consider when buying a Z8 if you are using a Z7ii. First off subject tracking is not available for stills anymore. I had my FN1 button near the lens mount set to subject tracking to swap from auto focus all points to a smaller box for picking exactly what I want focused on. It was simple, one button and done. That is no more on the Z8. They did introduce 3D tracking, which is a better focus mode BUT if you assign 3D tracking to the FN1 button you can not press it to swap in and out of the modes. You have to CONTINUOUSLY HOLD IT DOWN to stay in 3D tracking mode. Your other option is to use the new focus button on the button left side of the camera and use the sub-command wheel to swap modes. Instead of 1 button swap, not its a 2 finger adjustment.
A big reason I wanted the Z8 for weddings was pre-release capture. But if you are like me and write raw to CF Express cards, and jpeg to SD as a backup, your pre-capture release are written to the SD card only, meaning you have to wade through all the files a second time to check for those pre-capture release files. This is so much of a pain in the ass I will likely not use the amazing feature.
You need to modify A LOT of the camera's settings. I had to change about 25 different items when setting it up to fix things like not having a histogram in your eyelet or monitor.
Also make sure you go into your custom controls and turn off the 'Lens control ring' in F3 or you will accidently change your aperture by accident when holding your lens.
Going over the white paper for N-Log the Log curve really only allows for a maximum of 14 stops of DR. I am curious if you used a better log, like ArriLog if you would return a better DR result. Simply decode the N-RAW as linear use a Color Space Transform to convert the Linear to ArriLogC3 or Log3g10 maybe and see if there's anything to be gained that way over the N-Log in the 2:1 DR range?
its possible since its 12 bit(if the cmos sensor can resolve it and the log curve actually supports it, similar to slog2 which cannot resolve more than 14 due to the curve itself. note: some of the linear to log may actually be partially debayered so unrecoverable. and noise is always going to be a factor. also, the arrilog lut does rolloff saturation at the top 1% so that may not give you results you want if you need max sat at highest luma.
I would recommend watching CineD lab test. But don't stick to the first part using xila chart and imatest, but the latitude test, which I would call, real life Dr. And their the Z9 beats everything Sony even the Venice 2!!!
@@danielvilliers612can you link it?
The optional battery grip adds a neat feature - you can HOT swap those "smaller batteries" basically giving a potentially longer field running time. I like it :) 👍👍👍
Just duct tape a Power Bank with PD to the bottom of the camera! $29.99
@@efsu8374 Lmao , i do this when i had to document an event all day , hooked up a dummy battery to a 10,000 mah powerbank
a power bank would do the trick too and is even cheaper, you can basically shoot for all the time the card or heat allows
As someone who prefers shoots MF with adapted glass and is disgusted by non linear focus by wire, seeing customization in that area sounds like a godsend
I have never clicked so fast on a video in my life! been waiting on your perspective on this camera
Very informative Z8 review look forward to its potential.
Wow, this is my first time here, and I'm very impressed. Your setup is amazing, great background and colors, great lighting, it all looks so professional. Great sound, too. I don't do video, I'm a landscape photographer, but I pre-ordered the Z8 and have been watching videos about its capabilities. Thought I'd learn more about its video features too, so that's how I got here. Thumbs up, man. Exceptional work you've put into this. Not only (very) aesthetically pleasing, but such in-depth information as well. All-around a very deserving 'like.' 👍🏻
My dude!!! By far the most informative video I've seen on this camera. 👏
Hi Gerald! Now that the Nikon Z8 has its firmware update where we can shoot at ISO 200 and ISO 400 in NLOG, what is the dynamic range performance on the Z8 with those options?
13:19 The Hi-Res function cannot be used when cropping from 4K60 to 1080p60?
This is one of the best reviews I’ve seen !!!!!!!
Hi Undone, I think you can use FFT analysis of the frequency resolution of each readout mode to see directly the sampling resolution (when the sensor is undersampled).😉FFT is much more convenient than the naked eye.
The camera is absolutely great, almost perfect!!! the unique problem is dont have a pro input of audio or adapter.
You are the gold standard of video-application reviews!
Hi, i have a few questions about nikon raw editing in DaVinci resolve. I hope you will find time. Thanks.
1. What is the difference between nikon raw sdr and nikon raw log?
2. When setting the paramater of a clip, shot in 12 bit raw sdr, in DaVinci raw panel,
'decode using' is set to clip
'colour space' is set to rec.2020
And when i set the
'gamma' to Nikon N-Log the SDR footage starts looking exactly like a video shot in log.
I want to know what is this behavior? Is resolve really interpreting the raw sdr video as raw log video?
I am waited this so long! 😍
I know that you use DaVinci, but I think many people would want to know what it feels like to edit the different codecs in both DaVinci and Premiere, especially on slightly older computers or Laptops. A lot of cameras pack interesting features but make editing super hard which is a super important consideration in purchasing a camera for some people.
You can always download sample files to play with. Plenty of folks offer sample RAW or ProRes files from all sorts of cameras to work though on your machine. You can always use proxies too. Pretty much every NLE has some sort of proxy generator or optimized media function.
@@brycefunk Yep, Nikon does. I downloaded the 8.3k sample footage but haven’t tried it yet.
@@waynerm002 where do you download them? it will be great if you could link it here
@@sumtrend On Nikon USA page, in the section where they talk about the video specs, in the one mentioning 12 bit RAW, they provide a link to check out the files for yourself.
If I only understood all the technicalities of video shooting. But it’s a deficiency on my side, a Nikon-shooter mainly taking photos. I just ordered a Z8 and will come back to this very credible video. Thanks. Hans-Martin
I had a professor in college who you remind me of. He taught a course in the history of the middle east & was one of the top 3 experts in the world on ancient near eastern Semitic languages...one of only a tiny handful of people in the world who could translate Egyptian hieroglyphs, Sumerian & Akkadian. He talked at a pace like you do, & from the time he started till he finished his lecture, you wrote as fast as you possibly could or you used a tape recorder..the downside being that you had to then take notes off that & invest a 2nd hour outside of class just for that. I averaged 150 pages of handwritten notes for a test & even condensed to basic phrases I'd have nearly 100 pages. I worked my ass off for a B in that class.
I listen to you because you're an information fire hose. In all honesty, I have to run every full video back half a dozen times & roll back individual clips more than that just to conceptualize all this information. Full disclosure...I learned to shoot in the analogue era so this is a steep learning curve.
What kind of coursework do you offer...if you do?
I love the outro. Mostly because you let the weird thoughts in.
Incredible to see you how you have grown from your first video 6 years ago making a DIY lighting set up "Ah fucking bit my finger with that now! lol" to a sophisticated state of the art @UA-cam channel with an amazing community. So inspiring to see your hard work coming to fruition! Great Job @Gerald Undone => Bravo sir! Someday I will take my food channel to the next level, until then I wish you THE BEST!
Well done. I have been waiting for your thoughts. Now I can make an informed decision. Thank you
This camera is insane. So many options. It's crazy.
Nikon is coming back stronger 💪💪
I'm still not sure whether I should go for this Z8 or the R5C for video. Whaddaya think?
This wildlife shots and outro gives me Camera Conspiracies vibes :D.
Great video. Not canceling my S5IIX pre-order though :D.
in this range of specs it must be the best camera ever created yet tho? It is unbelievable. I am still waiting for the Lumix S1m2, they gotta do same specs!
You mentioned that the image cleaned up after recording a few seconds of h265 -- I wonder if that's only because it was a stationary/static scene though.
Maybe at first capturing all the pixels, and then settles down to only record differences between keyframes.
The cobalts run pretty cool but the Delkin Blacks seem to run even lower: 15F/8C lower. I'm curious if that difference translates into longer record times because the card is basically a heater plugged into the core of the camera body. I have both the Z8 and Black card on order and will look into it. I don't shoot long clips but I do sometimes shoot video in 80-100F environments and probably at that 8.3K60p
Hi, can I ask what's your opinion on the best CFE card for the Z8? I've been using XQD for sometime and I'd like to get a CFE card, but I'm unsure what to get. I've heard good things about the Sony TOUGH cards, but there are so many options out there. Just wondering what users with first-hand experience think about this. I've definitely heard good things about the Cobalts, too. If you could have any card, which one would you pick?
@@HaggenKennedy I’m only researching currently. It seems to depend heavily on what you plan to do. Most of them seem fine for photography. The more expensive ($1.50/GB+) are more capable at handling the highest bit-rate (raw) video files and deep buffer photo shooting like action subjects. The tough card reviews I’ve seen say that the temps get hot quick and the card throttles the speed significantly. The delkin and cobalts seem to be the best. The Angelfire line seems to have fitting issues (Z9 second slot) and non-existent-warranty headaches.
@@AffinityPhoto Indeed, that's what I've been getting as well. I think I'll probably go with a Delkin Black. Out of all the cards I've researched, it seems to be the one with the lowest number of issues and also the most well-balanced (read/write speed, dependability, ruggedness, physical dimensions, does not run too hot, etc.). It seems to check all the boxes, and even if it's not the fastest card on the market, I don't care so much because I am a landscape photographer, so that is not an issue for me (and yet, it's fast & reliable enough to not hinder me on the odd occasion I need to shoot something else). It also comes with a lifetime warranty and a 48h replacement turnaround, which can't hurt. Seems like a good deal, and I'll probably get one.
@@HaggenKennedy another option that runs cold and is less expensive is the angel bird, they have up to 4 TB sizes
@@raynerp Thanks, Rayner. Indeed I've seen a few videos that attest to what you said. However, I've also seen a number of people complaining about the physical dimensions of the card, which apparently makes it get suck in the camera's card slot. For that reason, I've been sort of avoiding it. The Delkin really seems to be the most well-rounded of all cards.
Your reviews are the best. So detailed and insightful. Would you say it would be better for a nikon shooter who wants to do more professional video to save money and get the z8, instead of getting a s5ii to help with video jobs? Would appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks! If you already have Nikon glass, then yeah, no sense switching, the Z8 can do plenty.
Thanks Gerald!
Well done Gerald! Guenther, you have been outworked.
Great video! I love the level of depth you get into.
When you're doing the H.264 tests, are you testing the default profile only, or do you poke around at Nikon's custom colour profile settings at all?
I don't know about the Z8/9, but in the Z5/6 there is a "High ISO NR" setting in the video menu, and I'm not convinced "off" is fully off.
There's also a "manage picture control" page with 3 separate sharpening filters and a 'clarity' slider, all of which are cranked pretty high by default.
Hi,
thanks for the review.
Could you share your opinion about hdmi lag? Is it still there in coparison with z6 or with panasonics which still provide huge ammount of dellay while outputing the image?
Also, I didn't quite get there about nikon n log monitoring. Is there some kind of option live view assist which shows rec 709 version of your image? Can you upload your own rec 709 luts?
Can we agree that all this overheating thing for this camera is not such a big deal if you record many short takes and shoot regular stuff for example: events, commercials where camera doesn't need to take long takes and there are enough time between the takes?
Can you record video eventually longer if you power the camera from PD source thus avoind hot battery warning?
If you could answer these questions everyone would be happy :)
Thanks.
I have tested this with the Ninja V. It is significantly faster and almost no noticeable lag. The z6ii had a good 0.5 sec lag from my experience, the 8 lag does vary depending on the recording res/frame rate, but its almost non existent to the average user.
Awesome review as always, Gerald!
I wonder if the NR improved over time because the image it was cleaning up was static, as opposed to real world where you may be filming bushes, trees randomly moving to the wind.
So what manufacture /raw codec allows you to just change the white balance and move on?
Criminally undersubscribed channel. Fantastic content and delivery. Keep up the great work! Your videos always convey what I'm looking to learn in an entertaining, professional, & informative way!
Love this. Been looking forward to this video.
At 3:12, does 24 mean 23.98? I don't have a Nikon of any model but I am guessing that they don't record "true 24," as people put it.
Correct
Nikon is great again!
Thanks for the professional explanations about the specs.👍
Excellent review. Thanks. 👍🏼
When I switched from DSLR to mirrorless, one of the key reasons was the small size and weight, but Nikon mirrorless models are getting bigger than DSLR now, same are those huge Z mount lenses.
Great offering. It’s cool seeing tempting offers like this and the S5II(X) from Nikon and Panasonic that really challenge the current market supremacy of Canon and Sony.
Would you say this would be a better camera to switch from sony a7iv for wildlife videos especially to get fullframe 4k120?
You also get access to the excellent Z telephoto lenses. Nobody does them better than Nikon.
If someone is trying to shoot super long clips of 8k RAW 60p…… I have questions
Under rated comment! I've been really curious as well.
They want to shot single take movies without tricky transitions
I still don't understand why the dynamic range test of cined of the z9 with the same sensor only showed 10 stops in medium noise ratio and 13 total. Any thoughts on that anyone?
That's the 8K raw on a 8K timeline, which I show here as well and they match closely. But if you look at their 8K on 4K results from the lab test before raw came out, they also got the same 11.6 stops I got too. It all matches. 👍
Thanks again! The DR of the 4.1k NRAW, can we expect this to be the same as the 8k? Around 10 stops?
How long can the camera go before overheating over USB PD?
Forever
You NEED to use Assimilate Scratch to calculate the real dynamic range of the Z8, you get so much more than in davinci resolve, it's almost like BlackMagic design is limiting Nikon raw footage dynamic range... use the hightlight recovey tool and even the expose setting of the .NEV format it has nothing to do compared to Davinci...
Sample RAW footage for download?
Nikon offers on their website some raw samples to download
just got my Z8, love it but..
There’s banding with high speed sync with my godox ad400pro flashes especially shooting faster than 1/2000s
Great review as always, I have been waiting for this camera for a while as a more video centered body to add to my z7/z6ii bodies. I've never been happy with the z6ii footage even with the Atomos ninja v. I had a play this week with a z8 and found the video to be good, but I'm not sure its what i expected. I've been considering selling all my gear and moving to Sony. Couple of A7Rv's and associated lenses. If you were to pick between the z8 and an a7rv for video, what would you choose? Don't take price into account.
rent a A7RV and a Z9 (which is the same video quality) and compare, that's the easiest way to be sure
@@raynerp Yeah it might be... that said ive had nikon lend me the z8 recently and a z9 in the past. sony lent me an a7rv a few months ago and ive used a7s3 and fx3/6 for films, but never at the same time, same scene etc. ive used nikon for the last 20 years and so other systems don't always gel when you use them for a few days. hence my question from someone who tests them fairly rigorously.
@@epicimages5583 I wrote this for someone else. I was quite puzzled by how the only Z9/z8 video with a Sony sensor has such a lower DR in video. I made some research and it was quite enlighting.
I would recommend anyone about the video DR of the z9 (Z8 should be very close), To check the Cine5d lab test. No big surprise when you check the synthetic Imatest benchmark which is about same as here, that is strangely the Nikon/Sony sensor scores quite lower than for example the Sony A1. But once you check the real life latitude test, the result are quite stunning. It scores at least half to a stop higher than the A1. At least 1 perhaps 1.5 above the R5c and more surprisingly Red Komodo. A very generous 4 stop above and 4 below, and if you push a little bit it could go half a stop in both highlight and shadows. www.cined.com/nikon-z-9-n-raw-lab-test-fw-3-00-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/
Thats Sony A1 www.cined.com/sony-a1-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/
Canon R5c www.cined.com/canon-eos-r5-c-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/
It would be very close to the Canon C70 with its dual gain sensor with 9 stop of latitude www.cined.com/canon-eos-c70-lab-test-with-the-raw-update-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/
Those test are very interesting as the likes of Alexa ARRI ALEXA Mini LF confirm they are clearly above the rest with a conservative 10 stops of latitude while other results are astonishing as the Komodo, or Sony Venice which are below what you would have expected. I think the problem with Nikon Imatest result is about its log implementation, that is they went for a more contrast look that cut the shadows so that it doesn't look too noisy contrary to others.
Will you do a video on the Z 8 and the Ninja V, I understand there may be a problem with that combination?
I think Nikon really needs to add a secondary log profile.
yep, they chose a more contrast look to burry the shadows (noise), it hampers the synthetic benchmark. But when you see real life test (latitude) in the cineD lab test, it is actually better than most camera, at least half a stop better than the A1, at least 1 above the Canon R5c. It is very close for example to the Canon C70 with its dual gain sensor.
Great camera.
I recommend avoiding the Nikon version of Nlog LUTs. The contrast is not as strong as V1 but the exposure shift is weird and the color saturation is still heavy.
..what do you recommend instead?
@@fotomaton7852 Color Space Transform in Resolve or Cinema Tools
i dont give a shhh ... about 8K, i just want 4K60, FHD 120FPS with oversample and 15stops of dynamic range and 10 Bit color ... btw, always love the video gerald undone review style ...
Excellent video, very informative.
How did the Z8 perform shooting prores raw 4k/30 internal? Did that cause any overheating issues?
Does it have audio confirmation of roll and cut? How's the stabilization?
So how much does it cost?
Wow man, impeccable discussion!
Any thoughts on the Z8 ibis?
Can you tell me which camera would you buy the Nikon z8 from r the Sony a7rv?
one question?
does it output 4k60 or 1080p60 when recording in 120p in any resolution?
for exemple to use a external monitor just as a secondary monitor, cos the hdmi output is limited to 60p
for exemple in sony a7iii i can record internal 1080p120 and have a signal output of 60p to see in a secondary monitor, but with my z6 i cant, it does not output anything when recording 120p, and i would like to use a secondary monitor in some cases
I hope Nikon's comeback would be great as z9 and z8 to be consistent
I’m glad it’s still excellent and it doesn’t start shipping for weeks
Hi Gerald -- good work -- very good vid and advice.
I assume you used the ProGrade Cobalt 650GB for all your tests in ~20ºC. Big takeaways for me -- when a heat limit has been hit a cool down down of 5-10 mins allows same max record time to be achieved -- replacing card/battery or starting a new recording extend the duration but heat also needs to be managed.
Anyone seeking to use a Z8 on a production should perform their own tests to understand the operating limits of their gear. Placing a Z8 in a rig/cage, adding a lens, pulling LV feed to an external monitor, and powering with a d-tap from a v or gold battery will all change the performance "a bit" - so set up the camera how you would use it and test. some cards run hotter and others cooler - obviously source appropriate cards for your work -- and if thermal limits are a concern then invest in the coolest running -- it would help if your provided some tests to explore this.
Do hot cards drop frames or just record until the camera shuts down?
My own favourite CFE-B cards are the Delkin Black 650GB, Sabrent Rocket CFX Pro 2TB and Angelbird AV Pro Mk2 4TB. I find these run cooler than others.
One has to be very careful with which codex/format one uses when storing to the UHS-II SD card slot - the fastest and coolest card I could find is the 518GB OWC Atlas S Pro V90 - I will test this but I expect that only H265 and H264 can be saved to it. Hopefully when my Z8 arrives I will find out later today.
I take your guidance wrt ProRes 422 HQ being your preferred/recommended codex - I assume that you are in N-log.
Like most I have recorded a lot of 8.3k60p HQ N-RAW N-LOG on the Z9 and it just runs and runs producing TB and TB of files. With a smaller body camera one has to make reasonable compromises -- like not planning to shoot endless footage of the highest codex fps possible, just because one can !!
Any chance for video quality comparison between Z6II and Z8? 4K with max quality options?
if I already have Z6 II (with BRAW recorder or internal 8 bit), would I gain quality if upgrading to Z8 - internal 4K 60p oversampled from 8K, at ISO 1000?
Bravo, the best baby flagship camera for a non-flagship price
Hi Gerald I have 3 questions for you. 1. You mentioned the camera had 2 ISO bases, what are they? 2. When recording to an external recorder like the Atomos Ninja V/V+ what's the highest output resolution and frame rate combination? Can it output 4K @ 120 fps over HDMI? 3. Can the Z8 record to internal media while simultaneously outputting a 10 bit signal over HDMI ? I ask because I own a Nikon Z6 II and it cannot do a backup recording to the internal media while outputting to the external recorder. As always my guy, great review and thank you for not shitting on Nikon as most other UA-camrs do. :)
I can tell you from my experience with the Z9, that the second base ISO for video is 4000. I was amazed when i found this out and it was easy to grade with practically no noise. I've only tested this with NRAW however.
@@davidgfisher how did they “unofficially” announce that??
@@davidgfisher I really hope ISO 4000 remains the same. That's one of the upsides for me with evening events.
@@davidgfisher thanks for the info. Really nice to know that they are already working with some firmware updates. What he said in the video, is they're working out to change the Base ISO for N-log to 200ISO, which is really nice to have. Probably they should keep the 4000 dual-iso. The hardware is all there, they just need to be more bold with software and UI changes and give us more options. DCI, 6K, Open gate would be great to have.
Very technical.....went right over my head.
Hello Gerald
Thank you for your review. Question. Why don't you think Davinci Resolve has more settings for video RAW? Like in Lightroom Photo RAW development. For example the HSL colour range... Greetings from Switzerland
@@davidbrytus2089 thanks 😊
The applications the Z9 was designed for, like action, sports, and wildlife, you’d want a vertical grip. To use the Z8 instead, you’d need to install the accessory grip which increases the cost, and makes the Z8 even bigger than the Z9. Plus you have the drawbacks of one SD slot and poorer battery life.
I guess if you don’t need to take advantage of the Z8’s stellar AF performance like for landscape or product photography, it doesn’t really make sense because the Z7 series can handle those applications for a lot less money than the Z8.
Awesome video! Very excited to get the Z8 finally. But just wondering, any ideas how to expose properly in camera when there aren't any exposure tools available? Any advice would be great, thanks! Surprised there wasn't even a light meter when in video mode.
There are plenty of exposure tools from zebras to waveform in video.
@@danielvilliers612 Thanks! Yeah, I see waveforms and zebras but honestly, I find it pretty difficult to judge properly with those on the screen. Was hoping for any additional tips, ha! It's a bit easier to see a light meter to know how over exposed an image is vs looking at waveforms (for me). Thanks man!
@@__eugenelee The only solution would be an external monitor at this stage. Its nearly impossible to cram all these info in such a small space.
@@danielvilliers612 yeah was just secretly hoping for a trick to get the light meter showing haha
Agreed on all points. Lets no pretend shall we? The Z8 is one of the best hybrid body in the world today. It does everything well. With continous firmware updates that Nikon practices, it won't be long before it gets " pre capture raw" and RED video algorythm. Yes, others like R5II,A9II,AR7V are equal to the task as well. We live at the time when photographers are the ones benefiting progress in technology. The deficit is we ourselves. We need to embrace it, learn about it and cherish the moments using them. To me, Nikon did great justice to the D850 by introducing its mirrorless counterpart
Is the Z7 II better in low light?
Glad to hear it takes pictures. 😬
Is it just me, or did you change microphone on this one? This sounds better and more natural.
The ProRes out of this camera looks good!
if Gerald says it's a good camera, it is
look forward to the review of the new ifootage lights
That baby shot looked good ❤
Tbh, the z8 is almost perfect: I didn't want to buy one but it's just so complete it is almost seducing me... There's only one clear feature missing: I really wanted it to record directly to an ssd via usb, like the bmpcc or the gh6. Is it too much to hope for a firmware update?
Gerald, I could use your help. I have a lot of Nikon Z Cameras and Z Glass. Ihave been waiting on the Z8, and may buy the body. Looking in better AF than the Z6 and Z7. Also the 4k 120 interests me. But now I am also looking at the Sony ZV-E1 and then pairing that with a G master lens.. I am 90 percent video. And looking for high quality AF and video. Also the flip out screen would be handy on the Sony. Which body would you recommend?
It seems that if you already owned a Z9, you'd likely be quite upset with the sudden extra depreciation 😂 Kudos to Nikon for "self cannibalising" in a way that is good for the consumer though. I assume they need to make such actions in order to gain some ground, and by the presales stats floating around it seems they've succeeded!
The overheating stuff is quite disappointing really. Having useed an S1H since launch and now having an S5ii, it seems like a no-brainer to put active cooling in hybrid shooting bodies.
12:34 - Excellent Goose action
Z9 won't depreciate.
the thing is tho both the Z9 and Z8 are pretty cost efficient and once you add on the extra grip and battery and stuff on the Z8, it makes up the price difference but Z9 still definitely is a more superior camera but not as accessible to the prosumer as this one
Most folks wont really record continuously for that long at such resolutions for the camera to overheat. Those that do need to record that long continuously would be better off with a dedicated video cam. This is a hybrid cam targeted at hybrid shooters who do not usually record so long at one go :)
@@_zakkus is not accessible for prosumers as this one???? you make it sound like Z9 cost $55,000. The percentage cost difference between Z8 and Z9 is not that great.... $1500... the price of a decent camera lens.
@@ktcool4660 It already has. Prices both new and used for the Z9 have dropped at major retailers everywhere.
I'm Gerald Undone, and every time you're done, I'm just getting started.
Ty for the review! How about usb c external storage? Is it possible?
Z8 is better than A7IV?
Yes. Internal N Raw compressed. No rolling shutter because of the stacked sensor.
Yea totally but it costs more
Of course
There is still no pixel shift multi shot mode, right?
Right.
there is now
only .37lb more than my a1 gets me curious, but what Z lens to replace my 200-600 for birding?
nikon 180-600mm will be out soon, if money is not a concern a 600mm f/4 with buit-in TC will be better