The Messed Up Origins™ of The Rings of Power | Folklore Explained
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There is a story with a magic ring that I know where the ring makes you a better person instead of a worse one.
A good king rescued a rabbit from the hunting hounds one day. The rabbit turns out to be a fairy who was testing the king's goodness. She offers to grant him one wish. The good king wishes that his son will grow up to be a good and just king. That is beyond the fairy's magic, but she promises to do her best to nudge him in that direction. When the good king died, the fairy appeared before the young new king and gave him a ring. That ring caused the wearer to feel a prick on their finger every time they did an evil deed- the worse the deed the more painful the prick. The boy gets pricked quite a bit in the beginning. He learns that some of the things he thought were harmless, such as kicking a dog, are wicked. He starts to become a better person, until that is, he falls in with some very bad friends. These very bad friends peer pressure him into doing things that make the ring constantly prick him. So he takes the ring off and throws it away. He gradually gets more and more wicked, until he is monstrous. He tries to force a princess to marry him by threatening to kill her otherwise, and this is the last straw for the fairy. The fairy turns the young king into a chimeric monster that reflects who he has become - part lion, part wolf, part bull, and part snake. The king's steward takes charge while the king is away, and the monster is put in a menagerie. The monster regrets his past actions and behaves with gentleness. When he saves the life of the animal caretaker, he is transformed. He is turned from a monster into a dog. As a dog, he is mostly treated as a pet but not given enough to eat. Even though he is hungry, he starts giving his meals to a poor child who has nothing to eat. This kindness causes him to turn from a dog into a dove. While in that form he saves the princess and regains his human form. At the end of the story, the fairy gives him the ring once again. But he ruled so well and so wisely after that, that the ring hardly ever pricked him.
I got this one out of Andrew Lang's colorful fairy books. If I manage to find the title of the story I'll edit that in.
Very cool story
Lovely fairytale! I really hope to find out the name.
Bro kicked a dog? straight to the boiler room of Tartarus!
That is an awesome story! It sounds to me like the ring didn't really him a better person, but instead illustrated that one can't be FORCED to do good or be good. He had to mingle with the monster inside of himself and suffer the consequences of his actions to truly understand what it means to be a good person.
That’s a beautiful story!
The One-handed girl a Swahili fairy tale From Andrew Lang. The ring gave her food at desperate times. She didn't get greedy or corrupt. Please read her story! Its a favorite of mine!
Which color book of fairy is that story in?
For those that don't know the color books of fairy can be found on Project Gutenberg as well as possibly elsewhere
@@motagrad2836 I found the story online but there's a coloring book I have called LEGENDARY AFRICAN QUEENS by Teni & Tayo creations. It has a brief description of the queen then pictures you can color. I love it it inspires me.
Well, yeah, but that's a metaphor of getting married and the penised thing providing...
I mean, even a one-handed girl can provide all a man needs from a woman to be fed and provided for; as long as the BJ and Birth canals are functional. Bonus; it's less likely to have itself used by other men for being crippled.
@@blackkitty369 did you find it on a sleep channel?
@@harrietyounger6118 Probably lol. She is subbed to Nux Taku one of the most disgusting UA-camrs of all time
Messed up origins has literally drawn me so much into the fantasy world that the real world has faded
Thx Jon
Why were you born: according to the Holy Bible, God created humans to be in relationship with Him. God is love, therefore He wants to bestow love upon us. Evident in the creation all around us, things that delight us, bring us wonder and cause us to inquire about our creator. I had to share my point of view with you once I saw your username. God bless 🕊
@@michellejohnsen912 nah I was born because my dad decided not to wear protection
@@IDKEKG you sound very thankful. Why did you choose this username?
@@michellejohnsen912 I Don't know
@@IDKEKG oops, I thought you were the original person I posted to! Lol, I am tired!
There's also the ring of Solomon, with which he was said to control demons, he forced them to build the temple which bore his name.
Yes! Don’t forget that it was given to him by God and thus it gave him the power to do so. It’s really interesting to read
@@shepherddog1199 More like he simped to Astaroth for it.
Or at least, that's what he did "with" it. David's whole lineage are a bunch of over-hyped assholes who lie philander and dabble in sorcery (while their fanclub insists that you not). It's baffling how people are so eager to swoon over them.
1st Kings Chapter 11, incidentally.
At one point I believe it did corrupt him and he lost it however he did eventually get it back
@@rutledgeellis8056 One particular story is that Asmodeus gets the better of Solomon for an extended period (the so-called "forty days" which seems to be a popular biblical hyberbole)
Considering how much of Tolkien's world was directely inspired by Norse mythology I would be willing to almost guarantee that Andvari's ring was a direct inspiration for the one ring in lotr
There is a slight misunderstanding of the Elven Rings. They were NOT created by Sauron and he never touched them. They were purely created by the Elves to sustain and protect their lands from the ravages of time and corruption laid into the fabric of Middle Earth by Sauron's predecessor, Morgoth. They were never meant as weapons of war, but Sauron's knowledge of ring craft was used to make them, which rendered them vulnerable to his influence. After his defeat in the Second Age, the Elf Rings were responsible for maintaining Rivendell and Lorien. Gandalf was also a ring bearer, carrying Narya, the ring of Fire as a means of encouraging hope and rallying free folk to resist the advances of evil in the world
fun fact you didn't ask for- the only way the rings in lotr can affect different characters is by manipulating their already existent desire for power. basically the more someone already wanted power the more a ring would affect them. there were a few characters that the rings barely affected because they never desired power. the one character that wasn't affected at all was tom bombadil, who was kind of a symbol for tolkien (you should totally do a video about him). the amount of lore in this series is absolutely insane
Heck, even Sam almost gave in after the Ring gave him visions of him turning Mordor into a *garden*
And what other characteristic of Sam could it have exploited anyway lol
I always wondered who he was supposed to be.
@@amberkat8147 ironically JRR Tolkien was super super open with the fact that Tom Bombadil was just Tom Bombadil. He didn't represent anyone else and while he went by different names from different people he wasn't any other character just Tom. Everyone wants to attribute every mysterious character to him but Tom is just Tom
Everybody already knows this.
Fun Fact about Amethyst: in Hebrew the gem's name is Akhlama (אחלמה), similar to the word Recovery - Hakhlama (החלמה)
I think the reason for Tolkien not changing the ring into something else is the same reason he made Frodo related to Bilbo, he wanted to connect Lord of the rings to The Hobbit and make them both one epic story. One of ways to do that is make sure some of the main parts of both stories are the same or closely related, in this case the Ring is atleast somewhat central to both and arguably the main characters in both are relatives.
I think of the magic rings in C. S. Lewis's The Magician's Nephew. Those rings had the power to transport the wearer and all in contact with the wearer to another world.
Hey Jon you forgot the Greater Shcwartz and the Lesser Schwartz, rings that not only give there wearer the ability to use the schwartz to move objects telepathically but also act at lightsabors that sometimes get tangled.
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Very good point! 😁
Extremely important lore. How was it forgotten? 🤣
Wagner's entire Ring Cycle is centered on Andvari's Ring.
Good catch! I was reading all of these comments and wondering if anyone was going to pick up the connection to Wagner's Ring of the Nibelungs.
Thanks for another amazing episode. It is interesting there was no mention of the Ring of Nibelungs - a magical golden ring that gives you power to rule the world, but it was cursed by it's creator to enslave it's bearers.
I love how the actual simple answer is that Tolkien took the magic invisible ring idea from existing germanic and nordic folklore like he did with a lot of LOTR (elves, dwarves etc) but Jon decides to give us the entire history of rings haha
This episode is a bit personal for me. While I am a fan of LOTR I myself make rings as a hobby and have looked into the history of them for inspiration.
.....The fact that I've been on LOTR and Hobbit obsession for the past month. Honestly, thanks for fueling it. One thing I thought of as I was watching is that, rings are very common place, and have been for a good century or so at least. A seemingly harmless circular band that you could find in stores, on peoples hands, even on the streets in some cases, has the power to both corrupt and give you untold power. Like seriously, a band of metal, that can literally give you power over everything and anything. That's both scary and weirdly tempting.
Originally the Lord of the rings instead of the Ring it was supposed to be the arkenstone. It was a friend that told him to make it the ring and he based it on an actual ring called the Ring of Silvianus.
The really cool thing about carving the mammoth tusks into rings is that they can be strung on a cord or threaded onto a thinner stick and carried in a hide bag or a reed basket, so you aren't limited by the amount of space on your fingers. Really good idea, tbh.
A ring can become Horcrux due to the endless nature which is a space for the fragment of the spirit to continuously move in it.
In my African culture, we don't accept to wear someone's ring or clothes because some people are strongly attached to their possessions which transfers a fragment of their energy/spirit into it, and like the ring of power it can have negative effects if worn.
Where in Africa?
Which Country and culture in Africa?
Interesting idea.
I'm so happy knowing folklore that inspired one of my favorite book series! I have grown up with LOTR and I always wondered that same question about why rings in terms of plot device.
I'm retraining as a jeweller and have loved your channel for ages, so this was peak "right up my alley" content. I've wanted to do a LOTR inspired collection to so this was a lot of fun.
what an awesome coincidence! glad that this resonated with ya. good luck in your retraining!
I love learning about the history/origins of things, like I had no idea rings were used in the Paleolithic Era as currency. It makes sense, as they couldn't really afford to carry a lot of objects on their person. Thanks man, awesome video 👍💍
I realized the other day that I love the idea that the One Ring allows the wearer to become invisible. Sauron uses it for subjugation, but if it were to ever fall into other hands, it would not only corrupt them, compelling them to return the ring, but it would also grant them an ability to avoid capture when venturing to return it.
And while all others cannot see the wearer when cloaked by its power, Sauron is made aware of their exact location.
I love the magic rings from The Magician's Nephew though: yellow rings that take you to the In-Between Place and green rings that send you into one of the universes you jump into. The risk, of course, is what awaits them in those many universes.
In Italian epic poetry there's Angelica's ring. It dispel any magic if worn on the finger and makes you invisibile if kept in the left size of the mouth. It's never use for evil
Really like hearing the history of jewellery and how it's been represented in folklore. And what different cultures believed about gemstones
I would love to see more JRR Tolkien lore.
i remember hearing a legend of a ring that would make copies of it's self for 9 nights, all numbering up to 9. each an exact copy in every way. over the remaining nights, each ring would make 9 copies in on themselves along with the original.
You're speaking of Draupnir! The ring was owned by Odin
Also he does speak a bit about it. It's one of the three gifts to do with the bet Loki made.
ok.
Also a ring is much more practical as a "visible" plot device whilst still remaining a unique story
Its been a very long time since I read this book but if I'm remembering correctly I think The Silver Chair (Chronicles of Narnia) by C.S. Lewis has magical rings that don't corrupt the children.
Since he was catholic, i think it might also have influence of the ring of king solomon, that was a ring given to him by God Himself, with the power to command god and evil spirits, it results in a legend that, if i'm not mistaken, solomon started to summon demons to enslave them and to buit temples to God, as a way to punish (or redeem) them. In the end he had too much demons serving him, and they manage to release themselves from the control of the ring, destroying his city... Something like that
Thank you for another great video. Hoping for your speedy return to health!
Thanks for posting a video even though you aren’t feeling well. Get better soon.
It's been AGES and that intro music STILL makes happy and bob my head to it lol please never change it Solo~
So nice to see you're still making videos.
another great video dude!! Much love
Awesome video. It would make sense that Lord Elrond would possess Vilya (which you didn't mention, fyi) as, matching the ring's speculated powers, Elrond is a master healer.
Absolutely a great video!! Loved it
Yo!! This breakdown is So DOPE!!! 💯💯 I LOVE the Nasgul🥰💯
I have to point out that it was Gollum who destroyed the ring but he died happy. I'm pretty sure that was in the books and it was definitely in the movie. Gandalf told Frodo something along the lines that it was kindness that had Bilbo not kill Gollum, so Bilbo had a hand in saving Middle Earth as well. Frodo did help as well. All 3 hobbits helped.
I love this, i didn't know that rings, mere jewelry had such a dense origin. Does that mean that this might possibly be the origin for all Lantern Corps? Particularly the Green Lanterns because they are all good, it doesn't corrupt it's wearer but provides them with the power to protect people unlike the Yellow or Red Lantern Corps.
Awesome video dude!
I adore your channel and the entirety of Tolkien's fantasy world. Please do more videos about his works!
This was an excellent video!
I wish more people mentioned Nubia & it’s rings.
Same
Hey Solo! Could you do an episode on Prince of Egypt? I just would like to see the ten plagues on this channel.
Great Job, very interesting etymology on rings.
How about each of the different lantern rings from the green lantern comic books. I'm pretty sure that ring from the Aladin book was used as inspiration for the green lantern ring.
Awesome video 👍
We read a book in school names 'Nathan the wise one' (german book i think) and there is a folklore told about 3 rings and 3 brothers. And only one has the true power of getting ppl under control.
Your over-delivery of the "...ring to them" line reminds me of Gandalf's line in the Rankin/Bass version of The Hobbit.
This is one of my favorite episodes, and it barely even has any mythology in it! But I think it was a big miss you didn't talk about Solomon's ring.
A ring is the perfect choice - it can't be knokced off like the crown, it can't be ripped off of your neck like a necklace, it's hard to steal, it's comfortable to wear, you have no need to take it off, whether you're sleeping, bathing, having sex, or whatever, it's so small and simple!
The legend of Gyges is cool and all, but I wonder, if the ring belonged to a giant, how did it fit the man? Maybe shrinking was one of the ring's magical powers?
Gypsies have a legend about a dwarf trapped underground. If you release him, he will give you his magic glowing ring, that makes gold, when you turn it.
I originally wrote a small piece about Solomon's ring but I felt that I needed to do more research to confidently tie it in and I just ran out of time. This video could have been twice as long with how much unused research we have!
That's a great explanation about the practicality of rings!
@@JonSolo You should check out ,,ninos en cruz'', that is mentioned in ,,100 Years of Solitude''. I can't find anything so maybe Marquez made it up, but still it should have an awesome origin.
Love this!
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I just ordered one too!! :D
@@JonSolo Great minds think alike😉
Would be very interesting if you had Jordan B. Peterson as a guest on your podcast talking about a topic like this. Loved the video btw!
I like the clean cut look, Jon.
As soon as I saw you post this I knew I had to give a like. The show is ok never seen it, bit I gave you a like because of LOTR and because of your content!
@@billriddle9215 well the trailer, but I have been changing my mind day by day. So I'm sort of changing my mind. I know kind of weird
@@billriddle9215 oh I hate Game of Thrones too gory and made up religions for fantasy shows are not my type....no offense sorry sir
Happy Hobbit day this is perfect! I love it so much!!!
Hi there. I think I saw a comment by you on another LOTR video. 👋
@@Hinatachan360 Hi you probably did! I'm a fan of lotr and watch as many as I can
Lord of the Rings is a reinterpretation of the ring cycle, with the rings of power being a stand-in for Andvari's cursed treasure, since the Danes used metal rings as money. It wasn't some ad-hoc decision, it was a reference to a myth that in turn referenced the real culture and history that myth came from.
In the myth, Andvari's treasure was a stash of red gold. The cursed red gold coins in the Belgariad (another fantasy novel that was the standard before LotR) are also a reference to Andvari's cursed treasure.
Smaug and Sméagol (three syllables, SMAY-ah-goal, Tolkien was very explicit about that in the text) are both unambiguously based on Fafnir.
Since I know you love Greek mythology, I think you’d love to make a video about the hydra, but did you know that the story of Hercules & the hydra have a similar myth in Japan ? It’s the orochi legend, look it up
I grew up with the lord of the rings movies and games. I really enjoyed this messed up origins
To answer your question about rings not corrupting the bearer certain lantern rings such as green, blue, pink, and purple.
The other example I can think of is Captain Planet 🤣
Here's a magical ring that didn't corrupt:
In Piers Anthony's book _Wielding a Red Sword,_ Mars wore a snake ring that curled around his finger. The snake could answer yes/no questions including predictions: One squeeze = yes, 2 squeezes = no, and 3 squeezes = I don't know or does not apply.
Mars doors not get corrupted with it and neither does Luna, a traveling companion he gives it to.
I Love the Incarnations of Immortality series! They are my favourite books by him, and seem underrated. I loved that little snake 🐍
David Day has a fantastic book on the use of ring mythology in Tolkien stories
good episode
I love that you used a Mayan ring as the example for the oldest ring.
When did you get over a million subscribers? I could have sworn that I remembered you having like 200,000 at most. Congratulations dude lol.
You should do The Messed Up Origins Of The Wind And The Willows.
He may have denied this as well, but I had thought Tolkien chose a ring because he was taking inspiration from Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen?
With their powers combined here comes captain planet!
Odin was given a ring, from Loki, that just copied itself every 7 days. After that brief mention, it's not brought up again. Easily missed in the tale though, since it's more about Loki replacing Thor's hammer and then getting his mouth sewn shut than about the other gifts Loki brought home.
This is giving me good ideas for my DND. I have a new player who made a character that goes off on his own and trys to convert all the towns to his family houses rule. He never goes with the party and never goes with the quests unless he gets part of the town with it. Maybe instead of slowing him down I can give him a ring of power that forces people to obey him. Maybe he'll use it too much and king's will send hero's to vanquish this brainwashing demon.
I was thinking that it would be partly based off of the ring in Norse mythology that makes 8 rings every nine days, considering how much inspiration Tolkien took from norse mythology.
I think rings are convenient. They are small and easy to slip on. They are easier to hide and often get lost in places that are harder to get to. Think of how many times someone lost their wedding rings, when they did the dishes or took a shower. In the movie Legend, didn't Lily throw a ring in the pond, after she challenged Jack, that she would marry him if he could retrieve it? Aren't there stories where fish swallowed rings or carrying rings in their mouths? Rings just have a knack for getting lost or found.
Amulets are clunky and they snag on things. They are not as easy to hide. Someone could yank on it and possibly choke you with it. Lord of the Amulets doesn't have the same ring as Lord of the Rings.
Frodo failed but the quest succeeded but Frodo also redeemed himself a few times after
And the game deltaren there's an item called the ice ring which makes the attacks of that character stronger but also leads to them killing one of their classmates with your help
That we should place so much fear and doubt... into so small a thing. -Boromir, LOTR, Fellowship of the Ring.
I think he said it best.
I thought it was based on his experiences in WWI and the effects of war and power can make a man go insane with it.
Huh. No mention of the magic rings from The magician's Nephew by C.S. Lewis. They transported the wearer to The Wood Between The Worlds and from there to other universes. It's how all the Narnian adventures first started.
Trying to think of other stories with magic rings. Only one coming to mind is The Magician's Nephew from the Chronicles of Narnia
Even then that's a different kind of "ring". And I'm not just talking about the part with the bell here.
This was pretty good
Thanks for the video. Congrats on the nuptials!
Is the music in the bulk of the 2/3 od the video from Assassins Creed Black Flag?
Need a comedy 🎭 of “The Earrings of Power 💥
Awesome
He mentions that the rings corrupt people though that is the exact opposite for the three elven rings they don't corrupt galadriel gandalf or elron they give them power to fight against sauron not to physically challenge him but to create obstacles that can challenge him in the end
Lol, I watched this with my granny and when the video was over I said, well what did you think of all that, lol her reply was ( where is jesus in all of this ) 🤣
The elves rings did not come from Sauron, the knowledge of the making came from him but he never touched the elvin rings
rings also have a physical benefit, you can wear it in different ways signifying different levels of intensity. Wearing it around your neck has a passive effect on you. And to use it you have to make the conscious choice to put it on your finger, a clear motion indicating "activation". With any other type of jewelry this would be more difficult and less visually descriptive. With an amulet how can you tell what state it is in? Just another practical effect to add to the mythology aspect
I’m surprised that he hasn’t talked about the ring of the green lantern!
It's because it wasn't an inspiration for the book, having been created *10 years after* the book was finished.
@@happyslapsgiving5421 I was referring to the “famous rings“ question… sorry I wasn’t clear enough.
Now you have to do the three stones in Silmilrillion.
I took a replica one ring as my wedding band. I lost it last month, and aquired another replica one ring that I now wear on a chain around my neck.
After all, why shouldn't I keep it?
Elrond was said to be able to flood the river at Rivendell as he did to deter the Nazgul.
This power may have come from or at least been enhanced by Vilya.
10:15 this sounds exactly like a possible origin story of Larfleeze from the Orange Lantern Corps. They were powered by greed.
Rings are more discrete and less cumbersome than crowns or amulets.
He was also alive during a time where royalty was dying off and going away.
so if i understand correctly, in our day and age it would not be a ring but a dongle, with all your personal certificates. i would like to see a scifi-production of Lord of the Dongles and one Trojan to rule them all XD
Frodo's journey was to take the ring to the elves, which he completed with out any issue. When he saw the fighting the ring was causing he volunteered to take it Mt.Doom to be destroyed. He got it to Mt.Doom, and it was destroyed. Sounds like mission accomplished to me. Lol
Ring of Gyges. It is a story of ethics and power and a ring that is found in a chasm / cave that turns its wearer invisible.
Rings are easily kept on a person at all times and don't much harm if any to the wearer physically. Necklaces, on the other hand, can choke someone, advertentently or inadvertently. Other things can get misplaced: coins, keys, lockets, glasses, Earrings, grails, spoons, and anything else you hold that can be taken from you easily or laid down absent-mindedly.
There is a story from the court of king Solomon. One of his courtiers succeeded in every task the king assigned. Overhearing the man bragging about his successes Solomon sought to assign him an impossible task to teach the courtier humility.
The man was told to find a magical object which will give hope to the depressed but will will the joyful feel somber, which Solomon wanted by a certain date. Eventually the man gives Solomon a ring engraved “this too shall pass”. A saying which can give hope to the depressed as the bad times will pass, but also remind the joyful that good times will also pass