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Dude, V engines in bikes are bad engineering, everybody knows that. That is the reason. Parallel is the best
Suzuki is not ditching anything, it only added some bikes that were missing in their portfolio using the MotoGP championship money. Both new DL650 and SV650 are already up in the 2024 catalog, thus being Euro5, they always said these bikes would be kept along the 8S and DL800.
It has nothing to do with emissions. It’s cheaper to make a parallel twin then a V-Twin. One cylinder head instead or two, one cylinder block instead of two, one timing chain instead of two. There’s a reason the other 3 Japanese middle weight twins use this design. Another advantage, the parallel twin is easier to service, as getting to all the valves is easier. You can use one throttle body for both cylinders much easier then you can with a V-Twin.
It's also emissions for all the reasons you said. One camchain and two cams add half as much friction as you get on a v-twin. Simpler exhaust routing can get gasses into the catalyst faster to heat it up quicker. New engine with more modern combustion chambers and head can burn cleaner, etc., etc.
Alxx, my 02 vstrom 1000 is quicker accelerating through the gears than a brand new 15 reg I had a few years ago. That must be down to making the bike more emission compliant.
I don't know if it's faster but I know that a lot of the new bikes eat my dust. Resently BMW 9 t I think the owner was looking at my old vstrom and he was amazed.
This is why I rushed out and picked up a brand new SV650 last year. I figured it was just a matter of time before they "fix" what isn't broken and ruin a great thing. Super fun bike with a price tag that feels like you stole it.
Well, just recently the new head of Suzuki Germany, Kazuyuki Yamashita, said in an interview to MOTORRAD Magazine that the 650 vtwin is going to around for a long time. The magazine then goes on to speculate the new, recently spied bikes, might be new Bandit/GSX-S/GSR and DR models, to be positioned between the 650cc and 1000cc+ models.
I had an SV 650S and a DL 650 and now ride an FZ-07. The V-twins were smoother and could pull better from low rpms than this parallel twin and the chassis was more stable, also. I am riding the FZ-07 because now at 73 y.o. I wanted a lighter bike and so went from 485 # on the DL to about 440 # on the SV and now to about 400# on the FZ.
V-twins are inherently more expensive than parallel twins. Two head castings, two cylinder castings vs one of each. Modern offset crank parallel twins have the same power in a smaller, cheaper package. Loved my naked 650. Sorry to see them go away.
@@666dualsport Did your mother have any children that lived? Someone has to program the robots and set up the production line. Why do you think V-twins are dying? Ducati and H-D are the only factories that stick with that design, because both of their customer bases want them, despite the poor bang-for-buck.
Oh my god - I had an SV650, exactly the same as that white 'S' version you've got there, with the "bikini faring", (except mine was a deep blue). I loved my bike - it was one of the best I've ever had. 100% bullet proof, honest fun work-horse. It took me everywhere, from the daily commute to touring the whole of the UK. It was so extremely thin, you could squeeze through the tightest gaps when filtering. :) It was my first big bike, sounded great with a scorpion pipe on, and took good care of me. Nothing but fond memories. RIP.
I bought the exact same motorcycle last week! Deep blue with the bikini fairing! So excited to finally get on the road this weekend after some necessarily old, used bike maintenance!
Yep, currently on a SV650 as my commuter, they are bomb proof. I’m on my 3rd, a couple of Gen 2’s and now a new one. It will be a sad day when they get rid of the V twin.
Very well for what is effectively a budget bike, yes they’ve saved a bit of cash on the suspension but you can improve any bike if you want to throw money at them and it really isn’t needed in the case of the SV. I really don’t think there is a bigger bargain out there.
If Suzuki wanted to sell more of these super smooth naturally balanced and beautifully sounding bikes, they should have made an SV650-R version with fully adjustable suspension. Giving it GSXR like suspension, brakes, electronics, and TFT would make it the ultimate SV650. The V-Twin is also incredibly narrow, which makes it easy for shorter riders to get their feet down and allows more movement on the bike. Not sure if it's the extra structure of the V-Twin engine, but the SV feels much more stable at the limit compared to the MT-07 as well.
After this news, i decided to keep my 2018 Vstrom 650 until it dies which i know will never happen. I’d replace mine with a new Vstrom only if they keep the v twin with some more power, add cruise control, heated grips. It’d be epic if they make this combo and offer Vstrom 750 or 850. Suzuki should take lesson from Yamaha and listen to their customers more
One of the problems with the V twin is cat placement, when the T7 was updated for Euro 5 the cat had to be moved closer to the engine exhaust ports to get hot faster. Cats don't work as well on v twins.
If Suzuki gets rid of the fantastic and different L twin... it is going to be a bad move. Differentiation is a key factor, and that feature made me choose the SV rather than the MT07. I would maintain that power plant forever with the needed tweaks. It could be fantastic for a scramber bike, or even a custom style bike. They both could have a more premium price... and that gem engine.
@@future62 I own the SV and tried the MT07 engine... they are absolutely different. The SV's is much more torquey and you feel the beats of the engine constantly while the MT07's engine is linear. The 270 configuration does not replace the feeling of an L engine. However, the Yamaha 700 cc parallel twin is awesome.
@@tempofugo168 with the L twin you feel the beats of the bike perfectly and, at the same time, it delivers the power through a wide range. The Yamaha CP700 is more like and electric engine. Better if you try them both.
You know, it seems no matter how hard we try we just can't stop meddling with things. That old saying, "if it ain't broke don't fix it" just doesn't hold any sway over people who insist on making perfectly good things either worse or forgotten, and replaced with something the tinkerers think is a marvel of creation.
I bought a 22' SV650 this year and couldn't be happier. I get the argument about the P-win vs. the V, but, am glad to have gotten in on the fun while I still could.
I've had a bunch of vstroms over the years (6 or so) and own one now that I've racked up 120,000 miles on. I love the bike but parallel twins just make more sense. I had a ninja 650 I converted into a dirt bike and that engine is so sweet. I hope Suzuki employs the same cassette gear box.
Om about to by a v strom. Tried a versys 650. What about engine resonance and vibrations at highway RPMs? Id love your feedback. I felt v stroms were really good compared to nc750 and versys 650 paralels..
I had its big brother, the SV1000 naked, probably my favourite bike out of the dozen or so I've had. Fabulous engine: beautiful noise when it came on cam. I always recommend the SV650 to new riders who ask me what they should buy as their first bike. I'm sorry this engine is giving way to the parallel twin but I can see the cost benefits for the mid-market. Being an old dinosaur, I ride a flat-twin roadster now, you can guess the make. It's well-engineered and the layout has a low centre of gravity, but for excitement I prefer the SV1000.
Yes bought a gladius for my missus, looks like a poorly assembled plastic model kit. But it rides sweet! Nicasil in the bore lining, gsxr injectors to fix the fuelling grabbiness issue, thing pulls better than my old Zephyr ZR750. More adjustable suspension and decent brakes. With 22K kilometers at just under 40% of current model cost, great value! Change the headlight, remove or modify the plastics, tail tidy & can would improve the hell out of the appearance. Will I get around to it? Who knows, it's fun to ride!
@@RAWBANDerson I know Suzuki had ABS as an option for the bandit 650 and v-strom 650 at around that time. I wish the SV-650S had an ABS version. I would definitely pick one up as a summer toy. I know I know, ABS is not essential. But I feel more comfortable knowing I have that safety net there if/when I need it.
@@bobbingtonnoir5946 I've never ridden one with ABS, but I am sure it would come in handy! Might have saved me from T-boning a van that did an illegal u-turn a few years ago. Ride safe my good Man!
Only Stevie Wonder would think the Gladius should have been built in the first place. The longevity of Suzuki models has really helped Suzuk'si pricing and reliability.
The cool thing about the gladius....u can get them dirt cheap. Just because they are ugly. I'd take a low mile Gladius for 2500 bucks all day and ride the shit out of it
I sold my vstrom 650 for a dr650 and regret it every day because I've gotten to the point of riding where I took my vstrom through the same thing I do on my dr sure it was more rough offroad and did hut the skidplate quite often but on the street it's soooo much better I miss my vstrom soo much and planned on buying another one but I will be getting used one because that v twin is what made the bike
i've got the sv650 and then more bikes in between before getting an Mt07 after that i choose the V-Strom 650xt .. great handling and running bike ... it's sad they decided to ditch this engine..
I had for a second bike ( after owning a ninja j2 ) the 2007 fully faired sv 650s. Done almost 70k for 3 years. Daily commuter, couple of track days , long distance, done across Europe twice... for my height, very uncomfortable, bad brakes, patchy throttle response, not best looking bike... however there was something in it... this V-twin, the whole package, such an unpretentious machine. Quite economical, reliable, cheep to run. I have embarrassed many 100ps bikes ( or riders) with it. Now riding gsxs1000f with a fantastically smooth inline 4, probably never going back to such a tractor, however as mention earlier, there was something in this motorcycle. Very good video!
It's sad it is going. However a new 750cc naked bike, from Suzuki with a parallel twin interests me. It's main competitor is going to be the new Honda Hornet with the parallel twin. The MT 07 has had a fantastic parallel twin engine, that sounds as good as a V twin. So I'm optimistic.
To all: I have owned over 100 motorcycles and the SV650 is high on my most favorite list. Think when I jump on this one and leave my Hayabusa in the garage. Nuff said.
Still planning to buy the new Vstrom 650xt. I think they will only phase it out in Europe because of the emission standards. But here in asia, it's still selling like hot cakes for both models.
Sv 1000 was one of my best bikes, now i have a gsx 8s and boy i love it as it takes me back to my sv 1000 ducati 748 ang my mt o07, and last but not least sp1 all rwins and a tracer 07 and my tracer 900 , all had feeling and sound to die for and my 8s now is fantastic
It is a shame and if manufacturers are going down the parallel twin road I can only hope they put some effort into the visuals. The Kawasaki 650 , for instance, looks like it could have come from an ATV or snow mobile. Looks count on motorcycle. That would explain why those that pay homage to the full retro look, are cleaning up.
i droved the z650 two years, was a great bike fun light power was the key words. So, i looked at the picture from the prototype and i saw that the front mnaks is from the 1000/950 gsxs. The Suspension looks the same as from 950 gsxs. I think the front fork and brake caliper are maybe the same. Rims and wheel as the same and the oil cooler behind the oil filter are 1 to1 replace from the gsx 1000
If new Parallel twin SV-650 or Para-650(As a joke) sounds like MT-07, I will buy it for sure. Because I am going to buy a new Bike next year and i'm going to buy a SV650 bacause of it sound, performance/Price, Reliable and maintenance cost.
the only thing I like to this SV650 is the v-twin. there is a lot of parallel twin out there with advance feature that I will ditch for sv650 engine only.
I think the parallel twin that is coming out is going to be a 850-900cc and I think they are keeping the 650cc v twin because Suzuki likes saving money.
Agreed. The USD fork, radial brake calipers and beefy header pipes give it away. Not to forget the fact that the GSX-S750 is rumored to soon be discountinued - and is hopelessly outgunned and outdated.
Suzuki, didn't have problems with the v twin engine meeting emissions, it was getting too expensive to manufacture. They need to go to the parallel twins which is more economical to produce. They came up with a brand new parallel to replace it and lost one major selling point, proven reliability.
They have the tooling and 25 years experience with making the sv650 as economical as possible, so i cant see much money beeing saved by switching to a new engine.
parallel twin cheaper and lighter, more compact. and with the modern 270' crank-shaft, nearly as smooth. once you go water-cooled, vee-twin has no significant strong point.
270°cranckshaft: first time done by Yamaha on the TDM and TRX 850. I miss my 1998 yellow-silver TDM, tweaked-dynorun to +- 100HP iso 77. Never have should have sold it. But my 2015 MTS1200S is awsome!
Suzuki missed a huge opportunity to jump on the retro market with a proper cafe racer version of the 650. Yes, I know they had a "cafe racer" but it was basically a naked bike with headlight fairings...
Equal cooling and breathing ,equal exhaust length and bend therefore flow.270 crank gives 90 % V twin firing order and sound. Parallel twin sets lower in the frame giving superior balance .Simple a 270 degree parallel is superior for most uses .
I’ve only ridden it a couple of times but I absolutely love it. A very simple bike with no TC or ABS or modes etc etc but just a brilliant engine that makes it really engaging to ride. Massively rate it already 👍
One of the reasons I went with the Versys 650 over the V-strom 650 was looking at doing valve checks and adjustments. I now moved to the V85TT for even easier maintenance. A consideration when you are a DIY person.
Aren’t most SV owners doing the first valve clearance check at 30k miles. It appears that way on the forums and often they don’t even need an adjustment at 30,000 miles. Few hundred bucks is not much every 30,000 miles.
@@David.. , you may have missed that I maintain my bikes so time and how much needs to be removed is a factor in my decision. Of course if a motorcycle's actual valve check internal is 30,000 miles, I'd probably just trade it in at 29,000 if I wasn't able to do it myself.
Also, an inline twin means you can have a balance pipe connecting the exhaust headers which boosts low end torque, can't link a V twin exhaust until it's almost at the rear of the bike
Suzuki went from a 4cylinder in line for the Bandits and GSXR to creating a v twin to be the "poor man's Ducati" - and massively succeeded with it. It doesn't matter whether it is a parallel twin or 4, or a v twin, you have the same emission issues that all combustion engines have, and they already added a 2nd spark plug to each cylinder for cleaner burn. As others posted, it's really about just doing what the competitors are doing and saving $$ with parallel twin manufacturing savings. The real news is rumors that Suzuki and Kawasaki are coming out with old-school style inline 4 cylinders with the high RPM redline in some smaller bikes - like my 93 Bandit 400. Which just shows you it isn't about emissions or they wouldn't be coming out with new versions of older designs. I have both a 93 Bandit 400 with the in-line 4 and carbs, and a 2nd gen 2004 SV650. I don't plan to ever sell either of them. Too much character and fun.
I had an SV1000s for years and loved it. Too bad the 1000cc version didn't last. Now I have a DR-Z400SM, which is likely in the same boat as the SV...where it is past dure to be replaced.
I hope Suzuki pulls a Yamaha and gives their new P-Twin a 270 degree crank. It won't sound as agricultural as the 180 degree P-Twin in the Kawasaki Z650. They would also do well to keep the low RPM throttle assist. A nice feature for a somewhat entry level bike.
270-degree P-twins have taken over especially in the performance area lately. Look at the Aprilia Tuono/RSV660, the KTM Duke 790 and Duke 890. The KTM Duke 890R in particular is a seriously high performing P-twin. They are the best of both worlds in terms of cost and performance. Honestly looking at the dynos and doing "blind" hearing tests you would be HARD PRESSED to figure out the real world differences between a V-twin and 270-degree P-twin. I think its about time Suzuki do something fresh, I'm also excited to see how the Honda Hornet turns out. All these new middleweight twins are gonna make my MT07 feel very outdated :P
Suzuki have missed the boat with the SV and sat on its laurels for years. By this stage they really should have been pushing 80 -85HP had a scrambler, naked, retro, adventurer and sports versions all utilizing an update SV656 or SV660 platform. Oh what could have been.
Engine configuration is not the issue, though, I have always been a fan of the compact design and balanced appearance of a parallel slant twin (Norton Commando). Liquid cooling is the driving factor that has allowed manufactures to turn their engines into the appearance of industrial pumps, Triumph being the exception, thankfully. Interestingly, my current ride has a liquid cooled, 45 degree V-twin that still gives the pleasing appearance of air cooling fins. (Guess the model and you get a cookie). Why Harley hasn't figured out how to do this for their big twins is beyond me. Maybe they should talk to Triumph. My next bike will have a liquid cooled, parallel twin with air cooling assist, not just for the look. (Guess the model and you get another cookie).
I went to the Suzuki dealership today. They said the V in SV650 stands for V Twin and they confirmed that next year's model has the V Twin engine. This started as a rumor and UA-camrs are trying to get you to click.
The SV650 will be sold next year alongside the new parallel twin bike, but just for the sake of a bit of overlap. I don't expect them to sell them side by side for years to come
I own the SV1000 K3 and pretty much everyone I spoke to who once owned one keeps saying the same thing: "...I wish I've never sold it..." Aslong it runs, I'll keep it - to be honest, right now I don't even know why I would want to get rid of it. It has torque, great on the twisties and also great in the city. The only thing I don't like on it, is the relative short range of only around 150mls
the first gen frame was designed by bimota. and suzuki outsourced the engine manufacturing to china. the gladiolus also came with a big heap of engine updates so its probably the best one if you can hold back the barf when you look at it.
I don’t understand. Why not just keep the wonderful v-twin in the lineup and give customers a choice? The research and design costs and tooling etc is paid for.
I currently own a KTM 990 SMT and a gen3 SV650. Previously I also had a Yamaha BT1100 bulldog. Guess what are the similarities with all these bikes? A V-twin.
The bottom line is it doesn’t fit in enough platforms, Kawasaki shared their 650 first, then Yamaha came along and showed that sharing an engine doesn’t have to have a barely competitive lump of an engine to work, now Honda is gonna try with their 750 ( which won’t be competitive at its price point ... just wait until it’s more expensive than xsr900/mt-09/z900/gsx-750s), so Suzuki is looking at the same path - I hope Suzuki can create another great iconic engine... we will see, a lot has changed since Suzuki’s glory days.
im learning on one currently so looking at buying one to gain experience. or what would you suggest for first bike after passing A licence (not after speed)
It's not good to make assumptions! Suzuki says the new 800 is to fill a gap between the 650 and 950/1000! They have not said anything about stopping the SV650!
I loved my DL650, but I dumped it for my second time around with a KLR650. THE ONLY BIKE I GONE FOR SECONDS. My complaint of the DL650 was even though the maintenance schedule was much lower than some areas like valves than the KL650 the headache of opening and closing the DL650 was significantly more and the electrical system was more prone to failure. That is definitely not something desireable on the road or in back country. Thankfully, the day I went into buy a Royal Enfield Himalayan the dealer had just taken in a 2018 KLR650 with about $3000 of upgrade parts, detailed maintenance journal, original parts, and 1.5 years left on a factory extended warranty. The bike in 8/2/22 only had 3403 miles and it was pristine. I had told myself no more KLR650 as at 5'8" my 08 was too tall. I dropped three times in two weeks when I first bought it. But, the 2018 was short enough for me to get onto the balls of my feet and it is the last year for carborated engines. It was exactly what I wanted in a KLR. The previous owner had been buying KLRs since 1987 and his hip had finally told him no more tall heavy bikes. My blessing it is.
That’s a relief to know - I almost bought a 1000 but went with the 650 cos they’re a bit more mainstream so there are probably more views to be had on UA-cam. But it rides really nicely and feels super nimble, so maybe it was the better choice anyway!
It seems we will have only 270 degree parallel twins from now on, all bikes sounding very similar. I am starting to be glad that I have 180 degree parallel twin :-).
The SV650 sits apart from the crowd with its V-twin. Suzuki risk losing that staple opting for a P-twin, what will they bring to the market that's not already there?
Snatch 'em up while you can, boys! There may never be a sweeter, more dependable and longer lived 70+ horsepower on two wheels. I currently own an SV and a DL, and will certainly be keeping both.
I thought legally for emissions, if the manufacturer didn't change it, they don't HAVE TO change it. Hence the DR650 and KLR650 still have carbs. I don't think Suzuki is changing it b/c this bike can't meet emissions. Grandfathered in.
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Dude, V engines in bikes are bad engineering, everybody knows that. That is the reason. Parallel is the best
Suzuki is not ditching anything, it only added some bikes that were missing in their portfolio using the MotoGP championship money. Both new DL650 and SV650 are already up in the 2024 catalog, thus being Euro5, they always said these bikes would be kept along the 8S and DL800.
Yep, they even have the 2025 vstrom up now.
It has nothing to do with emissions. It’s cheaper to make a parallel twin then a V-Twin. One cylinder head instead or two, one cylinder block instead of two, one timing chain instead of two. There’s a reason the other 3 Japanese middle weight twins use this design. Another advantage, the parallel twin is easier to service, as getting to all the valves is easier. You can use one throttle body for both cylinders much easier then you can with a V-Twin.
How do you get two crankcases with a gee twin?
Preach brother!!!
It all came down to the money, and profits!
Sadly…
@@garymitchell6897 Who said anything about 2 crank cases?
@@clubstyleridahd4695 it clearly says one cylinder block instead of two
It's also emissions for all the reasons you said. One camchain and two cams add half as much friction as you get on a v-twin. Simpler exhaust routing can get gasses into the catalyst faster to heat it up quicker. New engine with more modern combustion chambers and head can burn cleaner, etc., etc.
I bought my vstrom 1000 2003 because I fell in love with the engine, 14 years later and still loving it.
Alxx, my 02 vstrom 1000 is quicker accelerating through the gears than a brand new 15 reg I had a few years ago. That must be down to making the bike more emission compliant.
@@robhughes1639 different gearing 👍
I don't know if it's faster but I know that a lot of the new bikes eat my dust. Resently BMW 9 t I think the owner was looking at my old vstrom and he was amazed.
I had one and have to say the V twin was my favorite bike. A real motorcycle feel with great tech and amazing performance.
The problem for me is that I find 4 stroke parallel twins utterly boring. Give me a V Twin, inline 4,V4 or triple any day of the week.
This is why I rushed out and picked up a brand new SV650 last year. I figured it was just a matter of time before they "fix" what isn't broken and ruin a great thing. Super fun bike with a price tag that feels like you stole it.
Just ordered a new VStrom 650 2 days ago.
Well, just recently the new head of Suzuki Germany, Kazuyuki Yamashita, said in an interview to MOTORRAD Magazine that the 650 vtwin is going to around for a long time. The magazine then goes on to speculate the new, recently spied bikes, might be new Bandit/GSX-S/GSR and DR models, to be positioned between the 650cc and 1000cc+ models.
Yeah I was gonna say these new bikes seem more likely to be GSXS750 replacements than anything.
Kazuyuki Yamashita ? Sounds like the name the company name if Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha merged......
@@Cheezmonka But one of those bikes shown in the photos looks very much like a V-Strom
I had an SV 650S and a DL 650 and now ride an FZ-07. The V-twins were smoother and could pull better from low rpms than this parallel twin and the chassis was more stable, also. I am riding the FZ-07 because now at 73 y.o. I wanted a lighter bike and so went from 485 # on the DL to about 440 # on the SV and now to about 400# on the FZ.
V-twins are inherently more expensive than parallel twins. Two head castings, two cylinder castings vs one of each. Modern offset crank parallel twins have the same power in a smaller, cheaper package. Loved my naked 650. Sorry to see them go away.
They made in a factory, with robots, its no harder, no cheaper,
@@666dualsport Did your mother have any children that lived? Someone has to program the robots and set up the production line. Why do you think V-twins are dying? Ducati and H-D are the only factories that stick with that design, because both of their customer bases want them, despite the poor bang-for-buck.
@@666dualsport robots or not, more parts means more material and more steps. that means more expensive and slower to make.
Oh my god - I had an SV650, exactly the same as that white 'S' version you've got there, with the "bikini faring", (except mine was a deep blue). I loved my bike - it was one of the best I've ever had. 100% bullet proof, honest fun work-horse. It took me everywhere, from the daily commute to touring the whole of the UK. It was so extremely thin, you could squeeze through the tightest gaps when filtering. :) It was my first big bike, sounded great with a scorpion pipe on, and took good care of me. Nothing but fond memories. RIP.
I had a red one. About 80k on that bike. 12 sets of tires, 5 chains, and oil changes. A great bike.
Same here. But mine was yellow!
What happened to it
I bought the exact same motorcycle last week! Deep blue with the bikini fairing! So excited to finally get on the road this weekend after some necessarily old, used bike maintenance!
@@gagestewart591 hope it’s good fun 👍🏻 ride safe
if V-Strom 650 doesnt have V-twin... it will stop making sense 😣😣😣
It's in the name... Not sure their can ditch that. Or maybe rename it ?
P-Strom? :\
@@motobob lol....that name could be a marketing problem
@@motobob Strom-P is cuter
So does sV650
Yep, currently on a SV650 as my commuter, they are bomb proof. I’m on my 3rd, a couple of Gen 2’s and now a new one. It will be a sad day when they get rid of the V twin.
How does it handle
Very well for what is effectively a budget bike, yes they’ve saved a bit of cash on the suspension but you can improve any bike if you want to throw money at them and it really isn’t needed in the case of the SV. I really don’t think there is a bigger bargain out there.
Is the gearing different if the SV compared to the v strom 650 @@stuartmoles843?
If Suzuki wanted to sell more of these super smooth naturally balanced and beautifully sounding bikes, they should have made an SV650-R version with fully adjustable suspension. Giving it GSXR like suspension, brakes, electronics, and TFT would make it the ultimate SV650. The V-Twin is also incredibly narrow, which makes it easy for shorter riders to get their feet down and allows more movement on the bike. Not sure if it's the extra structure of the V-Twin engine, but the SV feels much more stable at the limit compared to the MT-07 as well.
After this news, i decided to keep my 2018 Vstrom 650 until it dies which i know will never happen. I’d replace mine with a new Vstrom only if they keep the v twin with some more power, add cruise control, heated grips. It’d be epic if they make this combo and offer Vstrom 750 or 850. Suzuki should take lesson from Yamaha and listen to their customers more
One of the problems with the V twin is cat placement, when the T7 was updated for Euro 5 the cat had to be moved closer to the engine exhaust ports to get hot faster.
Cats don't work as well on v twins.
If Suzuki gets rid of the fantastic and different L twin... it is going to be a bad move. Differentiation is a key factor, and that feature made me choose the SV rather than the MT07. I would maintain that power plant forever with the needed tweaks. It could be fantastic for a scramber bike, or even a custom style bike. They both could have a more premium price... and that gem engine.
270 degree twins give you 99% of that character for a fraction of the cost and hassle. This is going to make the bike better.
@@future62 I own the SV and tried the MT07 engine... they are absolutely different. The SV's is much more torquey and you feel the beats of the engine constantly while the MT07's engine is linear. The 270 configuration does not replace the feeling of an L engine. However, the Yamaha 700 cc parallel twin is awesome.
@@josevi5835 Hey, what do you mean by "linear" ? Isn't the vtwin linear too ?
@@tempofugo168 with the L twin you feel the beats of the bike perfectly and, at the same time, it delivers the power through a wide range. The Yamaha CP700 is more like and electric engine. Better if you try them both.
You know, it seems no matter how hard we try we just can't stop meddling with things. That old saying, "if it ain't broke don't fix it" just doesn't hold any sway over people who insist on making perfectly good things either worse or forgotten, and replaced with something the tinkerers think is a marvel of creation.
Suzuki is not ditching the v twin! 650 and 1000 V Twins will continue for years to come!
I bought a 22' SV650 this year and couldn't be happier. I get the argument about the P-win vs. the V, but, am glad to have gotten in on the fun while I still could.
Great. Now go and get a British made Fuel Diablo exhaust for it. Great value and sound. 👍🏻
Or an also British made Scorpion
I've had a bunch of vstroms over the years (6 or so) and own one now that I've racked up 120,000 miles on. I love the bike but parallel twins just make more sense. I had a ninja 650 I converted into a dirt bike and that engine is so sweet. I hope Suzuki employs the same cassette gear box.
Om about to by a v strom. Tried a versys 650. What about engine resonance and vibrations at highway RPMs? Id love your feedback. I felt v stroms were really good compared to nc750 and versys 650 paralels..
@GuitarTherapy144 I do not consider the vstrom to have much vibration at highway speeds. I think you'll be happy with it.
Is it better compared to versys/ninja650? Same engine in both of kawas no?
@GuitarTherapy144 I never found the Ninja 650 to be particularly vibey either but yes I'd say it probably has less.
I had its big brother, the SV1000 naked, probably my favourite bike out of the dozen or so I've had. Fabulous engine: beautiful noise when it came on cam. I always recommend the SV650 to new riders who ask me what they should buy as their first bike. I'm sorry this engine is giving way to the parallel twin but I can see the cost benefits for the mid-market. Being an old dinosaur, I ride a flat-twin roadster now, you can guess the make. It's well-engineered and the layout has a low centre of gravity, but for excitement I prefer the SV1000.
I own an SV1000 K3 and absolutely love that bike.
The way it feels and looks is just great.
I have the feeling it will become a rare classic.
Yes bought a gladius for my missus, looks like a poorly assembled plastic model kit. But it rides sweet! Nicasil in the bore lining, gsxr injectors to fix the fuelling grabbiness issue, thing pulls better than my old Zephyr ZR750. More adjustable suspension and decent brakes. With 22K kilometers at just under 40% of current model cost, great value! Change the headlight, remove or modify the plastics, tail tidy & can would improve the hell out of the appearance. Will I get around to it? Who knows, it's fun to ride!
They just should have made a proper SV1000 instead of mashing up another mediocre mid-weight.
I have a 2008 vstrom650 fun bike and good engine. Is my vstrom engine much different then sv650?👍
Absolutely love the stunning looks of the Gen2 SV650. Beautiful bike.
Me too! That’s what I ride and I just can’t seem to get rid of it! I still love it when I look out the window and see it.
@@RAWBANDerson I know Suzuki had ABS as an option for the bandit 650 and v-strom 650 at around that time. I wish the SV-650S had an ABS version. I would definitely pick one up as a summer toy. I know I know, ABS is not essential. But I feel more comfortable knowing I have that safety net there if/when I need it.
@@bobbingtonnoir5946 I've never ridden one with ABS, but I am sure it would come in handy! Might have saved me from T-boning a van that did an illegal u-turn a few years ago. Ride safe my good Man!
The Suzuki sv 650 is still kicking and they have new models.
Only Stevie Wonder would think the Gladius should have been built in the first place. The longevity of Suzuki models has really helped Suzuk'si pricing and reliability.
The cool thing about the gladius....u can get them dirt cheap. Just because they are ugly. I'd take a low mile Gladius for 2500 bucks all day and ride the shit out of it
Maybe I'm weird but I always prefered the styling of the Gladius to the SV.
I sold my vstrom 650 for a dr650 and regret it every day because I've gotten to the point of riding where I took my vstrom through the same thing I do on my dr sure it was more rough offroad and did hut the skidplate quite often but on the street it's soooo much better I miss my vstrom soo much and planned on buying another one but I will be getting used one because that v twin is what made the bike
i've got the sv650 and then more bikes in between before getting an Mt07 after that i choose the V-Strom 650xt .. great handling and running bike ... it's sad they decided to ditch this engine..
My 2005 Gen2 SV650 is THE perfect motorcycle, and that exhaust note is like music to my ears!
I had for a second bike ( after owning a ninja j2 ) the 2007 fully faired sv 650s. Done almost 70k for 3 years. Daily commuter, couple of track days , long distance, done across Europe twice... for my height, very uncomfortable, bad brakes, patchy throttle response, not best looking bike... however there was something in it... this V-twin, the whole package, such an unpretentious machine. Quite economical, reliable, cheep to run.
I have embarrassed many 100ps bikes ( or riders) with it.
Now riding gsxs1000f with a fantastically smooth inline 4, probably never going back to such a tractor, however as mention earlier, there was something in this motorcycle.
Very good video!
It's sad it is going. However a new 750cc naked bike, from Suzuki with a parallel twin interests me. It's main competitor is going to be the new Honda Hornet with the parallel twin. The MT 07 has had a fantastic parallel twin engine, that sounds as good as a V twin. So I'm optimistic.
To all: I have owned over 100 motorcycles and the SV650 is high on my most favorite list. Think when I jump on this one and leave my Hayabusa in the garage. Nuff said.
My first 'big' bike when I passed my test in 1999. Was a new carb version & was a great engine at the time
Plus one for me too! The bike is still in the family and still giving good daily service all these years later.
Still planning to buy the new Vstrom 650xt. I think they will only phase it out in Europe because of the emission standards. But here in asia, it's still selling like hot cakes for both models.
Sv 1000 was one of my best bikes, now i have a gsx 8s and boy i love it as it takes me back to my sv 1000 ducati 748 ang my mt o07, and last but not least sp1 all rwins and a tracer 07 and my tracer 900 , all had feeling and sound to die for and my 8s now is fantastic
I just bought a brand new 2024 Suzuki V-Strom 650XT. Still the V Twin 650 engine. Can't wait to get it.
It is a shame and if manufacturers are going down the parallel twin road I can only hope they put some effort into the visuals. The Kawasaki 650 , for instance, looks like it could have come from an ATV or snow mobile. Looks count on motorcycle. That would explain why those that pay homage to the full retro look, are cleaning up.
The only reason I got the SV was because of the V engine. Now it's basically the same as any other twin.
They sounded the same to you? I disagree. V STORM is the king. I would definitely buy V Strom over all the other bikes even if they had more power.
i droved the z650 two years, was a great bike fun light power was the key words. So, i looked at the picture from the prototype and i saw that the front mnaks is from the 1000/950 gsxs. The Suspension looks the same as from 950 gsxs. I think the front fork and brake caliper are maybe the same. Rims and wheel as the same and the oil cooler behind the oil filter are 1 to1 replace from the gsx 1000
You rode not droved . How did you even get that word past spellcheck ?
If new Parallel twin SV-650 or Para-650(As a joke) sounds like MT-07, I will buy it for sure. Because I am going to buy a new Bike next year and i'm going to buy a SV650 bacause of it sound, performance/Price, Reliable and maintenance cost.
I didn’t focus much on the spy shots here but it does look pretty damn good 👍
@@motobob In my opinion the headlight looks like a concept turbo-charged bike that Suzuki did release in 2015, a damn good looking one.
the only thing I like to this SV650 is the v-twin. there is a lot of parallel twin out there with advance feature that I will ditch for sv650 engine only.
Are v twins problematic?
for me no diffrenc v or i as long as power torque displacement stay similar 🤷🏻♂️
I think the parallel twin that is coming out is going to be a 850-900cc and I think they are keeping the 650cc v twin because Suzuki likes saving money.
Well they just announced new 2023 colours for the SVs, so it looks like they’ll sell it for the next YM. But after that it’ll be gone for sure
Agreed.
The USD fork, radial brake calipers and beefy header pipes give it away.
Not to forget the fact that the GSX-S750 is rumored to soon be discountinued - and is hopelessly outgunned and outdated.
Suzuki, didn't have problems with the v twin engine meeting emissions, it was getting too expensive to manufacture. They need to go to the parallel twins which is more economical to produce. They came up with a brand new parallel to replace it and lost one major selling point, proven reliability.
They have the tooling and 25 years experience with making the sv650 as economical as possible, so i cant see much money beeing saved by switching to a new engine.
parallel twin cheaper and lighter, more compact. and with the modern 270' crank-shaft, nearly as smooth. once you go water-cooled, vee-twin has no significant strong point.
I think they've always been less smooth than most parallel twins. They vibrate a lot
270°cranckshaft: first time done by Yamaha on the TDM and TRX 850. I miss my 1998 yellow-silver TDM, tweaked-dynorun to +- 100HP iso 77. Never have should have sold it. But my 2015 MTS1200S is awsome!
dude the production and stats of this vid prove you need a mil subs - kudos to being so thourough
Suzuki missed a huge opportunity to jump on the retro market with a proper cafe racer version of the 650. Yes, I know they had a "cafe racer" but it was basically a naked bike with headlight fairings...
So what happened to this? Did it turn out to be just a rumor? The 2024 SV650 seems to have a V-Twin. Can you clarify? Thanks!
Wished Suzuki kept 45% degree and increased HP to 85-90HP.Kind of let down to be honest.I bought 1st gen SV650 new.Loved it.
Equal cooling and breathing ,equal exhaust length and bend therefore flow.270 crank gives 90 % V twin firing order and sound. Parallel twin sets lower in the frame giving superior balance .Simple a 270 degree parallel is superior for most uses .
Well produced by an intelligent and knowledgeable host, sad to lose the Suzuki V-twin from the market.
What is the point comparing Triumph with modified exhaust against other bike with stock exhaust ?
I really like the Gen 2 SV650 - your new bike looks great 👍
I’ve only ridden it a couple of times but I absolutely love it. A very simple bike with no TC or ABS or modes etc etc but just a brilliant engine that makes it really engaging to ride. Massively rate it already 👍
One of the reasons I went with the Versys 650 over the V-strom 650 was looking at doing valve checks and adjustments. I now moved to the V85TT for even easier maintenance. A consideration when you are a DIY person.
I hope you make enough money one day to buy what you really want, no compromises! Cheers!
@@just_one_opinion It's always about compromises. Otherwise you'd see way more MV Agustas and everyone would own at least 5 bikes.
@@rock4cheese At least!
Aren’t most SV owners doing the first valve clearance check at 30k miles. It appears that way on the forums and often they don’t even need an adjustment at 30,000 miles. Few hundred bucks is not much every 30,000 miles.
@@David.. , you may have missed that I maintain my bikes so time and how much needs to be removed is a factor in my decision. Of course if a motorcycle's actual valve check internal is 30,000 miles, I'd probably just trade it in at 29,000 if I wasn't able to do it myself.
Everyone seems to be abandoning traditional V-Twins in favore of 270° parallels, I guess those just have too many advantages?
Also, an inline twin means you can have a balance pipe connecting the exhaust headers which boosts low end torque, can't link a V twin exhaust until it's almost at the rear of the bike
Who cares?
Suzuki went from a 4cylinder in line for the Bandits and GSXR to creating a v twin to be the "poor man's Ducati" - and massively succeeded with it. It doesn't matter whether it is a parallel twin or 4, or a v twin, you have the same emission issues that all combustion engines have, and they already added a 2nd spark plug to each cylinder for cleaner burn. As others posted, it's really about just doing what the competitors are doing and saving $$ with parallel twin manufacturing savings.
The real news is rumors that Suzuki and Kawasaki are coming out with old-school style inline 4 cylinders with the high RPM redline in some smaller bikes - like my 93 Bandit 400. Which just shows you it isn't about emissions or they wouldn't be coming out with new versions of older designs.
I have both a 93 Bandit 400 with the in-line 4 and carbs, and a 2nd gen 2004 SV650. I don't plan to ever sell either of them. Too much character and fun.
It’s so annoying that ever middle weight bike is going to parallel twins.
my first gen wee is on rotation with my first gen busa TRE...
I had an SV1000s for years and loved it. Too bad the 1000cc version didn't last. Now I have a DR-Z400SM, which is likely in the same boat as the SV...where it is past dure to be replaced.
I hope Suzuki pulls a Yamaha and gives their new P-Twin a 270 degree crank. It won't sound as agricultural as the 180 degree P-Twin in the Kawasaki Z650. They would also do well to keep the low RPM throttle assist. A nice feature for a somewhat entry level bike.
Almost certainly! In fact I wish Kawasaki would do it too - how much work can it really be?
270-degree P-twins have taken over especially in the performance area lately. Look at the Aprilia Tuono/RSV660, the KTM Duke 790 and Duke 890. The KTM Duke 890R in particular is a seriously high performing P-twin. They are the best of both worlds in terms of cost and performance. Honestly looking at the dynos and doing "blind" hearing tests you would be HARD PRESSED to figure out the real world differences between a V-twin and 270-degree P-twin. I think its about time Suzuki do something fresh, I'm also excited to see how the Honda Hornet turns out. All these new middleweight twins are gonna make my MT07 feel very outdated :P
I also believe that p-twins are a bit more fuel efficient.
The v-twins have more torque but are quite heavy on fuel.
Power does not depend on what type of engine is used - inline or V. Power and economy depends on settings.
I wonder if completely abandoning the engine means the idle hammer and clutch chudder is also finally gone.
Got a tl1000r, fantastic ride.
Suzuki have missed the boat with the SV and sat on its laurels for years. By this stage they really should have been pushing 80 -85HP had a scrambler, naked, retro, adventurer and sports versions all utilizing an update SV656 or SV660 platform. Oh what could have been.
I’m getting a low km 2012 model. Happy days.
How's vibration between a 90-degree twin vs parallel?
Engine configuration is not the issue, though, I have always been a fan of the compact design and balanced appearance of a parallel slant twin (Norton Commando). Liquid cooling is the driving factor that has allowed manufactures to turn their engines into the appearance of industrial pumps, Triumph being the exception, thankfully. Interestingly, my current ride has a liquid cooled, 45 degree V-twin that still gives the pleasing appearance of air cooling fins. (Guess the model and you get a cookie). Why Harley hasn't figured out how to do this for their big twins is beyond me. Maybe they should talk to Triumph. My next bike will have a liquid cooled, parallel twin with air cooling assist, not just for the look. (Guess the model and you get another cookie).
The Honda Hornet won’t be LAMS so won’t outsell the MT07 or Z650.
Are L-twins really much longer? SV650 is only 0.4 inches longer.
I went to the Suzuki dealership today. They said the V in SV650 stands for V Twin and they confirmed that next year's model has the V Twin engine. This started as a rumor and UA-camrs are trying to get you to click.
The SV650 will be sold next year alongside the new parallel twin bike, but just for the sake of a bit of overlap. I don't expect them to sell them side by side for years to come
Watching from Germany and really like your videos. Very informative and well presented. Great job 👍🏻
I used to own an SV1000s. Probably the only bike I wish I never sold. Awesome sound from its twin pipes too.
I own the SV1000 K3 and pretty much everyone I spoke to who once owned one keeps saying the same thing: "...I wish I've never sold it..."
Aslong it runs, I'll keep it - to be honest, right now I don't even know why I would want to get rid of it.
It has torque, great on the twisties and also great in the city.
The only thing I don't like on it, is the relative short range of only around 150mls
Ay! Glad to see some love for the NC750
the first gen frame was designed by bimota. and suzuki outsourced the engine manufacturing to china. the gladiolus also came with a big heap of engine updates so its probably the best one if you can hold back the barf when you look at it.
Just give it a 90°/270° crank and get the best of both worlds. Manageable power pulses and reduced weight. Worked for Yamaha.
I don’t understand. Why not just keep the wonderful v-twin in the lineup and give customers a choice? The research and design costs and tooling etc is paid for.
I currently own a KTM 990 SMT and a gen3 SV650. Previously I also had a Yamaha BT1100 bulldog. Guess what are the similarities with all these bikes? A V-twin.
The bottom line is it doesn’t fit in enough platforms, Kawasaki shared their 650 first, then Yamaha came along and showed that sharing an engine doesn’t have to have a barely competitive lump of an engine to work, now Honda is gonna try with their 750 ( which won’t be competitive at its price point ... just wait until it’s more expensive than xsr900/mt-09/z900/gsx-750s), so Suzuki is looking at the same path - I hope Suzuki can create another great iconic engine... we will see, a lot has changed since Suzuki’s glory days.
Could that naked bike prototype shot be for the new gsx s750 well due an update? The frontal looks like the gsx s1000...
Nice work Rob. Totally understand. I’m sure you’ll. Have a lot of fun on this.
Cheers mate! Looking forward to a track day on it next week already :)
Suzuki people would be complete idiots if they ditch sv650 engine completly. They should be and must making sv650 version of R9T.
im learning on one currently so looking at buying one to gain experience. or what would you suggest for first bike after passing A licence (not after speed)
It's not good to make assumptions! Suzuki says the new 800 is to fill a gap between the 650 and 950/1000! They have not said anything about stopping the SV650!
I loved my DL650, but I dumped it for my second time around with a KLR650. THE ONLY BIKE I GONE FOR SECONDS.
My complaint of the DL650 was even though the maintenance schedule was much lower than some areas like valves than the KL650 the headache of opening and closing the DL650 was significantly more and the electrical system was more prone to failure. That is definitely not something desireable on the road or in back country.
Thankfully, the day I went into buy a Royal Enfield Himalayan the dealer had just taken in a 2018 KLR650 with about $3000 of upgrade parts, detailed maintenance journal, original parts, and 1.5 years left on a factory extended warranty. The bike in 8/2/22 only had 3403 miles and it was pristine.
I had told myself no more KLR650 as at 5'8" my 08 was too tall. I dropped three times in two weeks when I first bought it. But, the 2018 was short enough for me to get onto the balls of my feet and it is the last year for carborated engines. It was exactly what I wanted in a KLR.
The previous owner had been buying KLRs since 1987 and his hip had finally told him no more tall heavy bikes.
My blessing it is.
I owned a SV1000, what a Monster and the one bike that almost took my life! Tank Slapper at 120 mph! Motor is far too powerful for the small Frame!
That’s a relief to know - I almost bought a 1000 but went with the 650 cos they’re a bit more mainstream so there are probably more views to be had on UA-cam. But it rides really nicely and feels super nimble, so maybe it was the better choice anyway!
I have a 2002 that I absolutely love, I can't recommend them enough
It seems we will have only 270 degree parallel twins from now on, all bikes sounding very similar. I am starting to be glad that I have 180 degree parallel twin :-).
I wholeheartedly agree that it’s making things a little boring! It’d be nice to have something unusual to talk about… 🥱
That new 750 Hornet looks dangerously close to a 790 Duke which has 15hp/12nm more - so where’s the sting?!
Had 2 SV s so sad might invest in a new one before they are binned
The SV650 sits apart from the crowd with its V-twin. Suzuki risk losing that staple opting for a P-twin, what will they bring to the market that's not already there?
Snatch 'em up while you can, boys! There may never be a sweeter, more dependable and longer lived 70+ horsepower on two wheels. I currently own an SV and a DL, and will certainly be keeping both.
Is it just me? I've never given a SHEET about what a bike sounds like. I care how it rides. In fact, I prefer a quieter bike 🛵💨
2024 model year introduced!
So still around and we are happy for that!
I thought legally for emissions, if the manufacturer didn't change it, they don't HAVE TO change it. Hence the DR650 and KLR650 still have carbs. I don't think Suzuki is changing it b/c this bike can't meet emissions. Grandfathered in.