I feel like Ultron would be the best wielder of the stones because he is a computer, basically. He’s able to compute so many different uses and determine the best use at any possible moment in time.
Yeah, not to mention, his consciousness literally comes from the mind stone. Ultron Infinity is infinity stones given a body. I don't think anyone in any reality could use the stones as effectively as Ultron (in Vision body)
@@Heavypunch23 actually with all the infinity stones he is omniscient and omnipotent and the rest. that's literally the whole point of the infinity stones you control all aspects of your universe
Coz technically he had JARVIS + Stark + Bruce intellect + Internet + Mind stone which makes him a super genius and tactician He only lost coz he forgot to renew his McAfee antivirus
Ultrons consciousness came from the mind stone. It has nothing to do with creativity but knowing their full capabilities. Ultron with stones is basically the stones given a body.
@@amerpdx this is true for ultron. Yes. But I'm speaking for all of the people who used all the stones or will use all the stones. Normal people or aliens
@@RageGamer15 Alright, so you posted a comment under a video with a question about Ultron, where you provide an answer that applies only to characters other than than Ultron. Okay, alright. If you say so.
@@amerpdx this applies to Ultron as well. He could have been more creative of course. Use the reality stone and blink them out of existence. He has the soul stone he can see all the souls in the universe. He couldn't see peggy jumping towards him at the end and black widow trying to shoot that arrow.
The key problem with this analysis is that Thanos and Ultron had very different goals. Ultron seems more powerful at first, but they both achieved exactly what they wanted. They're much more equal than it seems, especially when you remember that Thanos was able to crush the same body Infinity Ultron is using with nothing but his bare hands.
@@aaronmeives4496 that was absolute nonsense tbh.. the beginning of the movie he 20 pieces the hulk before he rips put the infinity stone out of visions solid vibranium skull.. cap was holding his gauntlet back with his bare hands The russos have zero clue about power scaling or maintaining internal consistency
Well it’s literally how we saw it in ‘What if?’ Ultron became one with his infinity stones and even went through an evolution with them. He has no inhibitions, no hesitations, no emotions holding him back, while also having the imagination of a completely sentient being. He even has the perfect body to use the stones at their full power without them killing him.
It shouldn't even be debated who is stronger with the stones amongst Thanos and Infinity Ultron. We saw the Watcher was embarrassed by Ultron in their battle. Also don't forget that the most powerful version of Strange who had spent centuries absorbing all sorts of mythical entities couldn't even beat Ultron. So I don't think Thanos would stand a chance against Infinity Ultron
Imagine Infinity Ultron with his native stones powering his mind and suit but he is also weilding the complete gauntlet from your universe for access to the specific powers, pretty sure you'd need beings far greater than the Guardians of the Multiverse to stop that. *OR* just a TVA door that opens into the machine that scans if you are artificial and destroys you, no defence from the stones in the TVA.
Nah, It'd be amazing if Ultron came back to live action at all, and done right. His appearance in Avengers: Age of Ultron was a pathetic neutered version of him. Canon Ultron is universal/cosmic level.
Well Ultron was using the stones on himself, and I don't remember him trying to manipulate the laws of any other universe. He empowered himself, thus why he is the best infinity stones user. Obviously Ultron would Molly wop Thanos with only a finger😂
Definitely Ultron. Infinity Ultron, much like his canon MCU counterpart can swap bodies at moments notice. Now under most circumstances switching from his Vision body to an older model would weaken him he could in fact compensate for this by transforming his older model into a new Vision upgrade by using one or more of the stones.
@@Red_LEAF187 the infinity stones are limited to the users imagination. He probably could not imagine a body more perfect than the one he made for himself.
Ultron used them to cause the most harm intentionally, where as thanos used them and didn’t abuse the power in the MCU as soon as his goal was reached he gave up and retired, vs his past self time traveling to grab the stones early and slightly less prepared which lead to his death. Thanos could of been a dictator of the universe but chose to be a simple farmer.
Ummm the Stones do work in alternate realities. Infinity Ultron was smacking the Watcher through loads of realities and they worked. Not to mention Strange Supreme's Time stone. It worked in Infinity Ultron's timeline so ergo.
Ultron was clearly taking his time with eliminating all life in the universe given that he was going from planet to planet one by one instead of performing a simple “snap” level action with the stones to get it over with right away. I think this just goes to show how sinister he is in slowly showing the whole universe how unstoppable he is. Of course the only moment where his hand was forced in ending it all immediately was when Captain Marvel had him pinned down for a bit.
@Me BeatYou His body is made completely out of a perfect stone wielding material plus he clearly has far better ability and understanding of wielding the stones than Thanos. He absolutely could have snapped away the universe in a single thought if he didn’t feel like making it slow and deliberate.
Thanos used the stones with no intention of killing while gathering them which led to more creative use of them and the snap was random he didn’t dictate who died. Ultron on the other hand empowered himself, created an army out of thin air and channeled the raw power of the stones into beams and blasts that were intended to kill and destroy
Animation or movies, infinity Ultron has been the most scariest entity i ever cane across my life. Just imagine if he's real somewhere doing what he's doing here and eventually comes to our universe. . . . We're totally helpless. . . He's basically unstoppable.
Strange Supreme also used his Time Stone outside of his own universe, which is also against comic continuity. BUT..... What if..... (See what I did there?).... What if the 616 comic universe just has the one of the sets of infinity stones that can't be used in other universes?
You could make that make sense also by saying the 616 stones are the originals so they work in all universe but all the others a copies locked to a universe
Also didn't Strange Supreme warp and/or corrupt his time stone? If he is capable of outright warping a power like that he can probably bend the rules a bit. (Please note I haven't extensively looked into the specific plot points, so if something doesn't add up, disregard what I said)
Dude in an infinite multivers where all possibilities happen however unlikely there would be at least one where thanos was just off his game enough let himself get o e shot. This has been outright stated by the show runners. There were countless universes where thanos won that exchange but the one we saw he lost.
Ultron is a complex multiversal lvl He has the power to destroy a whole universe with just an explosion, he can destroy galaxies which just thoughts and even eat them He has the usual power and abilities of the infinity stones, however he has a vibralium body + stronger unknown armor on top, he has the intelligence of probably jarvis, vision, Bruce Banner plus he's an AI to begin with However he needs to renew his McAfee antivirus protection subscription next time
In my opinion thanos showed more creativity and fast learning on how to use the stones altho infinity ultron is more powerful thanks to the vibranium body
He also uses the soul stone on the Guardians on Titan. He hits them with a blast from the power stone and as he recoils his hand, you can see the soul stone is glowing as well as the power stone. I think he was using the soul stone to stop them from dying from the power stone. As usual Thanos doesn't want to kill unless he has to, somehow seeing Stark as the only real threat to him.
But if all timelines are branches off the Sacred timeline shouldn’t the stones still work because those stones they use in the time heist were variants
Note, neither the Black Widow and Hawkeye of Infinity Ultron’s reality had barely aged after he rid his universe of life, so he had to do it in an insanely small amount of time.👀 Those two were still in that reality looking for Zola while The Watcher fought Ultron.
We can't really know if it was really that short of a time because he travels instantly through space, and the boundaries between distance and time blur. If he went to a planet 100 light years away and destroyed it, then that event would basically be happening in the past for Natasha and Clint and would take 100 years for then to realize he destroyed it.
Because he is a great ancestors creation with some newer variations being built holding the stones in their constructive time allotment and other noterierities in the stones.
I still feel like since the watcher place has ever single type of radiation ultron can not just single out but adapt his stones to become muiltiversale in little amount of time.
I didn't watch the video yet, but my theory is because he's an AI. He suffers no negative effects when using the stones like Thanos or Hulk. Further, he can communicate with each stone in computer code that some give off. Space and Mind stones do this, probably others as well. "Vistron" basically becomes 'one with the stones', in every sense of the word. Looking back how easily he defeated 5-stone Thanos with only the mind stone further confirms this hypothesis. Ultrons consciousness CAME from the mind stone. When you consider all this, it becomes obvious that Vistron with all stones is basically the stones themselves coming to life. But if you're wondering why wasn't Vision as powerful with the mind stone? I think the reason was Tony and Banners manipulation with his code to put Jarvis in. Jarvis' code is still elementary in comparison to Ultron, not to mention Tony probably put some limits or blocks in there, just in case this second attempt follows the example of the first.
Maybe ultron can't use the full potential of the stones (especially the soul stone) because he has no soul. Maybe that's why he couldn't use it to "snap" his universe.
The problem with Ultron is that he was programed to save the earth not save humans, which is a program that is in Jarvis, you can save the earth without the human race, but you can't save humans if you don't save the earth
never forget, Thanos pulls up from 4 years in the past after seeing his death. Murks Thor, Iron Man and Cap 3 v 1, no stones and then smashes the HELL outta that frisbee. I believe his spinning dual blade was made of Uru. wait. What is mljornir? idk. Anyway. MCU logic is crazy at times.
Okay wait a minute. If he was using the stones to augment his own mechanical power while in the other realities, how was he able to affect the matter in such a way in these said realities. Say for instance when he makes the entire forest disappear, after chasing Uatu into the first dimension. He shouldn’t be able to manipulate that reality in such a way. Now I’m even more confused trying to find out how this was even possible.
Well let's be clear this is only hypothetical because the what If series doesn't tie into the main mcu timeline because it's just "what if" but if infinity ultron were to make a real appearance in the mcu it would be a different story
Infinity Ultron is the best wielder of the Infinity Stones, simply because he is a living computer and Thanos is a living being. Being a computer means that he does not feel empathy for anything done to humans and seeks to extinguish life entirely while Thanos simply wants to keep it balanced by erasing 50% of the universe's population. Ultron also invaded The Watcher's base of operations, something Thanos never did, and although both Ultron and Thanos have a "kill everybody" moment, there's a huge difference: Thanos' could attack a planet with his army and attack a planet but there will be survivors, who will go to different planets and tell of Thanos' siege against that particular planet BUT Ultron attacked, overwhelmed, and killed everybody and anybody in his way.
No matter how mich he can use the stones, what if series need more story so it can be use. Until then it just looks like fun fight for fan pleasure with no real power scaling behind, it’s all plot
It's bc since he's a machine he doesn't take damage from using the stones unlike when Thanos almost died using all six, also the stones work outside their own universe as seen in what if when strange supreme used the time stobe against Ultron
@Percuss Okay so the other side. The infinity stones by all accounts only work in their home multiverse. All the ways they try to get around that are nothing but made up to fit the story they want to tell (not MCU but people from outside of it). But on the other hand if you had watched it they weren't asking if Ultron had gotten them from another multiverse but they were asking what if he had won and then collected them.
as skynet once said humans evolve over millions of years but an AI evloves with in seconds capable or restructuring the stones on a chemical level to break the boundarys of the multiverse and the timeline
Y’all doing a lot of speculation on *no pun intended* a lot of what ifs, instead of just debating the facts presented in front of us already.. How do you know the stones can be restructured? And Thanos is not human so comparing AI to humans doesn’t even make sense here
Ultron IS the vessel, whilst Thanos utilises a vessel (the Infinity Gauntlet). This would mean Ultron is more powerful, right? No. It doesn't mean that. Thanos is more powerful than Ultron, for 3 reasons: 1. He has been studying the Infinity Stones for many years. 2. He has a LOT more imagination than Ultron, allowing him to use the Stones in creative ways. 3. Ultron was not prepared to wield the Stones, whilst the Infinity Gauntlet was made specifically for that purpose. Ultimately, Thanos wins.
huh. why are u even debating about this, in mcu it was already proven alternate universe infinite stones can be use in other unverse as shown in end game movie.
My problem with infinity ultron is his use of the soul stone. It’s something I actually like that they used for the plot of marvel vs capcom infinite. Ultron has no soul so he has no control over the soul stone
@@commandersune5432 why? Are you saying a super computer like vision wouldn’t have a faster reaction time than thanos and thus be able to strike him faster than he could react? Are you saying that the mind stone isn’t strong enough to cut in half an unprotected Thanos?
Computer doesn’t have a soul. You can’t wield the soul stone without a soul. This is a key plot point for the entire Infinity Saga. The writers of What If, and of this video don’t understand that. Same with No Way Home and Mobius which don’t understand the multiverse and can’t follow the logic even of their own stories. What If’s Ultron Episodes, No Way Home and Morbius are all just badly written period. None of them are even close to making a lick of sense.
Was he better though? Everyone in the MCU who used the stones used them for very different things. Ultron was by far the most despicable. He was burdened by emotions or ethics, Ultron carried out his mission like a program and he executed it. If Thanos wanted to end all life he could have, but that wasn't his goal. He was very clear about what he was doing and why he was doing it. Ultron heard Tony's call and concluded that it was flawed in nature. Humans were the cause of all modern day problems on Earth. If he was going to save the Earth, he'd have to save it from humans and that's what he did. Thanos doomed the rest of the universe when he cam rolling up on Earth. Ultron very likely concluded that alien life, like humans, were doomed to do the same things--Thanos came to conquer, after all. In order to save the Earth, Ultron had to wipe out all life. Anyway, anyone with the Infinity Stones would be better than their normal selves, as the stones give them unlimited power.
Many Jedi have survived Force lightning; many can jump 50 stories and 50 story falls while mortally wounded; most have lost a limb or even been cut in half. Some people try to act like they want Mace Windu to die, well Jango Fett was a very bad guy, a murderer who deserved to die, he was going to kill Anakin, Padme and Obi-Wan. I've even heard some say he was the reason that Anakin turned to the dark side; Anakin was born specifically to turn to the dark side. Still others say that he was wrong for about to kill Palpatine. No; if you watched the movie, when he first walked in, he told Palpatine that he was "under arrest"; at that point Palpatine preceded to slaughter his brothers. He did what any good cop would've done; that is until Anakin of course... #MaceWinduSurvived
my opinion is that thanos was holding back. Thanos wanted to indisriminantly kill half of life, and using the stones to kill even one person would be a step out of thaos' ideals. Using them in the way Thanos did I imagine takes a lot more skill, as it is easy to destroy something, where as it is much harder to subdue it.
Does anybody think that Thanos had recollection of the celestial eggs within the universe. And his deleting of 50% of a populous was primarily because of these eggs that would destroy these universes
He takes care of the infinity stones not like kang turns the stones into paperweights and thanos destroys the infinity stones to complete his mission but he said that the stones almost kill him so that means ultron absorbs the infinity stones and the infinity stones help ultron make him more powerful because ultron doesn’t care of destroying the infinity stones he only cares of destroying humanity so that is why the stones make him powerful
The answer to the question of if the Infinity Stones can be used outside of their home reality or if they’re specific to that reality is actually yes. They can be used outside their reality along with their unique properties. This was proven when Ultron used the time stone to create a time bubble around all the heroes (Minus Strange Supreme) and himself so he could retrieve the soul stone. Anyways, Strange Supreme breaks the time bubble by using his own time stone from his reality that was still in his Eye of Agamoto. So yes, the stones and their unique properties can be used outside their native universe. Which just makes the wielder even scarier.
and also in mcu it was already proven alternate universe infinite stones can be use in other unverse as shown in end game movie. so i dont understand why did he even mentioned this.
Yeah it seems like Ultron is less likely to get the stones than Thanos, but in the scenario he does, he shows far less restraint and therefore is more dangerous.
What I don't understand is how Ultron didn't just immediately wipe out The Watcher. I guess MCU cosmic power scaling is different from comics or something.
It's hard to say. If Thanos had more time to master the use of the stones, (and gave in to his temptation to use them again) I bet he'd come out on top of Infinity Ultron. He knows each stone individually so is able to wield the set more effectively. Infinity Ultron got much stronger when he got all of the gems, but after that he didn't grow, because he didn't need too. He was already strong enough to wipe out any opponent in his universe, so he got to it. What if he needed too, and discovered a metal that's even more broken than vibranium? Although, why didn't Ultron just snap all of the life out of the universe? He didn't even snap half. Is this because he didn't want to or because he couldn't? If he couldn't, that could indicate that Thanos has his hands on infinity gems that are much stronger for whatever reason. Thanos would definitely win if that's the case. (and we don't consider their egos but w/e, I've already written so much)
Did you know in the original comics Thanos was beaten by Squirrel Thanos is a joke right no get over it also Marvel said what if was Cannon get over it move on
I feel like Ultron would be the best wielder of the stones because he is a computer, basically. He’s able to compute so many different uses and determine the best use at any possible moment in time.
Yeah, not to mention, his consciousness literally comes from the mind stone. Ultron Infinity is infinity stones given a body. I don't think anyone in any reality could use the stones as effectively as Ultron (in Vision body)
@@amerpdx Except a variant of Ultron who is just as smart as he is.
No emotion, just logic.
Don’t overestimate AI, he can compute many possibilities but he doesn’t have omniscience so so much more possibilities are unknown
@@Heavypunch23 actually with all the infinity stones he is omniscient and omnipotent and the rest. that's literally the whole point of the infinity stones you control all aspects of your universe
Coz technically he had JARVIS + Stark + Bruce intellect + Internet + Mind stone which makes him a super genius and tactician
He only lost coz he forgot to renew his McAfee antivirus
the fact that this is actually true
LOL that's so true
So then remove the super part. Super genius keep their antivirus paid in advance.
I'm not sure JARVIS was ever actually uploaded into this version of Ultron.
he got tired of his browser being switched to yahoo
It all boils down to how much creative you can be while using the stones
Eeyuuuup.
Ultrons consciousness came from the mind stone. It has nothing to do with creativity but knowing their full capabilities. Ultron with stones is basically the stones given a body.
@@amerpdx this is true for ultron. Yes. But I'm speaking for all of the people who used all the stones or will use all the stones. Normal people or aliens
@@RageGamer15 Alright, so you posted a comment under a video with a question about Ultron, where you provide an answer that applies only to characters other than than Ultron. Okay, alright. If you say so.
@@amerpdx this applies to Ultron as well. He could have been more creative of course. Use the reality stone and blink them out of existence. He has the soul stone he can see all the souls in the universe. He couldn't see peggy jumping towards him at the end and black widow trying to shoot that arrow.
The key problem with this analysis is that Thanos and Ultron had very different goals. Ultron seems more powerful at first, but they both achieved exactly what they wanted. They're much more equal than it seems, especially when you remember that Thanos was able to crush the same body Infinity Ultron is using with nothing but his bare hands.
Ultron caught Thanos off-guard by his Mind stone Laser beam.
Thanos would be harder to defeat if he was battle ready.
Thanos never crushed infinity ultrons body with his bare hands
@@o-wolf not Ultron, but vision. Assuming the vibranium body is the same in What If
@@aaronmeives4496 that was absolute nonsense tbh.. the beginning of the movie he 20 pieces the hulk before he rips put the infinity stone out of visions solid vibranium skull.. cap was holding his gauntlet back with his bare hands
The russos have zero clue about power scaling or maintaining internal consistency
@@o-wolf thanos was the one holding back.
He is the GOAT with stones.
RIP William Hurt.
Would most like to see Wolverine appearing.
@Ryan Byrd
Another version with his costume.
Well it’s literally how we saw it in ‘What if?’ Ultron became one with his infinity stones and even went through an evolution with them. He has no inhibitions, no hesitations, no emotions holding him back, while also having the imagination of a completely sentient being. He even has the perfect body to use the stones at their full power without them killing him.
It’s Ultron’s mastery of the Mind Stone that makes his use of the other stones so impressive.
It shouldn't even be debated who is stronger with the stones amongst Thanos and Infinity Ultron. We saw the Watcher was embarrassed by Ultron in their battle. Also don't forget that the most powerful version of Strange who had spent centuries absorbing all sorts of mythical entities couldn't even beat Ultron. So I don't think Thanos would stand a chance against Infinity Ultron
Ultron killed Thanos with 5 infinity stones in like 3 seconds with just the mind stone
@@WhereWhatWhenWhy you can blame the writing for that.
@@ghaldurinanubios4290 no you can blame reaction time
@@MylesKillis no he is right. you can blame the writing for that.
Pretty sure strange was weakened after his universe was deleted :I
Imagine Infinity Ultron with his native stones powering his mind and suit but he is also weilding the complete gauntlet from your universe for access to the specific powers, pretty sure you'd need beings far greater than the Guardians of the Multiverse to stop that.
*OR* just a TVA door that opens into the machine that scans if you are artificial and destroys you, no defence from the stones in the TVA.
The stones work in different realities because Dark Doctor Strange used his own time stone to counter Ultron’s time stone.
But they were both in a different reality from either of their stones that’s how they countered them 😊
It’d be amazing if infinity ultron came to live action
Nah, It'd be amazing if Ultron came back to live action at all, and done right. His appearance in Avengers: Age of Ultron was a pathetic neutered version of him. Canon Ultron is universal/cosmic level.
This show is basically saying that the infinity stones truly have “infinite” power, but knowledge depending how strong they are with them
Well Ultron was using the stones on himself, and I don't remember him trying to manipulate the laws of any other universe. He empowered himself, thus why he is the best infinity stones user.
Obviously Ultron would Molly wop Thanos with only a finger😂
Definitely Ultron. Infinity Ultron, much like his canon MCU counterpart can swap bodies at moments notice. Now under most circumstances switching from his Vision body to an older model would weaken him he could in fact compensate for this by transforming his older model into a new Vision upgrade by using one or more of the stones.
Maybe with his god powers, he could've tried to make a metal stronger than vibranium for a new body?
@@Red_LEAF187 the infinity stones are limited to the users imagination. He probably could not imagine a body more perfect than the one he made for himself.
@@chronosmyth2106 I think he could. Especially with all the conquering he did. Surely he came across and learned of uru metal
this guy's videos feel the same as extending a 2 page paper into 5
He was the scariest villan the mcu has ever introduced
Ultron used them to cause the most harm intentionally, where as thanos used them and didn’t abuse the power in the MCU as soon as his goal was reached he gave up and retired, vs his past self time traveling to grab the stones early and slightly less prepared which lead to his death. Thanos could of been a dictator of the universe but chose to be a simple farmer.
Ummm the Stones do work in alternate realities. Infinity Ultron was smacking the Watcher through loads of realities and they worked. Not to mention Strange Supreme's Time stone. It worked in Infinity Ultron's timeline so ergo.
My theory is that those realities still have to be connected via branched timelines and they wont work in other realities not connected at the root.
@@islandcave8738 Nah it's just inconsistency and lazy writing.
They do work in the show but it was stated before the show that they didn’t work. Hence the confusion.
@@MylesKillis It was never stated they don't work in other universes. Only in the TVA since they have tech that blocks magic of any sort.
@@KasaiWolf07 While it wasn’t stated in the MCU,it was stated in the comics
Ultron was clearly taking his time with eliminating all life in the universe given that he was going from planet to planet one by one instead of performing a simple “snap” level action with the stones to get it over with right away. I think this just goes to show how sinister he is in slowly showing the whole universe how unstoppable he is. Of course the only moment where his hand was forced in ending it all immediately was when Captain Marvel had him pinned down for a bit.
@Me BeatYou His body is made completely out of a perfect stone wielding material plus he clearly has far better ability and understanding of wielding the stones than Thanos. He absolutely could have snapped away the universe in a single thought if he didn’t feel like making it slow and deliberate.
@Me BeatYou The snap can do whatever the user want’s it do. It can destroy the entire universe, not just half
Thanos used the stones with no intention of killing while gathering them which led to more creative use of them and the snap was random he didn’t dictate who died.
Ultron on the other hand empowered himself, created an army out of thin air and channeled the raw power of the stones into beams and blasts that were intended to kill and destroy
Animation or movies, infinity Ultron has been the most scariest entity i ever cane across my life. Just imagine if he's real somewhere doing what he's doing here and eventually comes to our universe. . . . We're totally helpless. . . He's basically unstoppable.
thanos crushed the vibranium body of vision to pull out infinity stone, it was merely a play thing for thanos
Strange Supreme also used his Time Stone outside of his own universe, which is also against comic continuity. BUT..... What if..... (See what I did there?).... What if the 616 comic universe just has the one of the sets of infinity stones that can't be used in other universes?
You could make that make sense also by saying the 616 stones are the originals so they work in all universe but all the others a copies locked to a universe
Also didn't Strange Supreme warp and/or corrupt his time stone? If he is capable of outright warping a power like that he can probably bend the rules a bit.
(Please note I haven't extensively looked into the specific plot points, so if something doesn't add up, disregard what I said)
shrek gang forever!
I craved strength and consistency of vibranium.
Dude in an infinite multivers where all possibilities happen however unlikely there would be at least one where thanos was just off his game enough let himself get o e shot. This has been outright stated by the show runners. There were countless universes where thanos won that exchange but the one we saw he lost.
I mean it feels pretty simple I don't know why we're still talking about this months later.
Same. I mean, the show's over.
Ultron is a complex multiversal lvl
He has the power to destroy a whole universe with just an explosion, he can destroy galaxies which just thoughts and even eat them
He has the usual power and abilities of the infinity stones, however he has a vibralium body + stronger unknown armor on top, he has the intelligence of probably jarvis, vision, Bruce Banner plus he's an AI to begin with
However he needs to renew his McAfee antivirus protection subscription next time
"I will tell you who would win in a confrontation"
15 mins later: I will leave it upto you
In my opinion thanos showed more creativity and fast learning on how to use the stones altho infinity ultron is more powerful thanks to the vibranium body
He also uses the soul stone on the Guardians on Titan. He hits them with a blast from the power stone and as he recoils his hand, you can see the soul stone is glowing as well as the power stone. I think he was using the soul stone to stop them from dying from the power stone. As usual Thanos doesn't want to kill unless he has to, somehow seeing Stark as the only real threat to him.
thanos picked the mind stone out of visions vibranium cranium, but his body doesnt compare?
As he is a hybrid eternal
If infinity ultron could do all that to HIS universe I don’t even know what thanos could do with them given the same amount of time.
But if all timelines are branches off the Sacred timeline shouldn’t the stones still work because those stones they use in the time heist were variants
Note, neither the Black Widow and Hawkeye of Infinity Ultron’s reality had barely aged after he rid his universe of life, so he had to do it in an insanely small amount of time.👀 Those two were still in that reality looking for Zola while The Watcher fought Ultron.
We can't really know if it was really that short of a time because he travels instantly through space, and the boundaries between distance and time blur. If he went to a planet 100 light years away and destroyed it, then that event would basically be happening in the past for Natasha and Clint and would take 100 years for then to realize he destroyed it.
But in the last What if...? episode, they say the stones couldn't be destroyed wit the Infinity Crusher from another universe.
Vision ( our vision) died to easy. He is a 24/7 thinking mashine. He could obviously find a way to fix himself.
I think the fans need to remember that yes there is a multiverse but What If is a what if storyline
Adam warlock, and odin both MOST DEFINITELY had all 6 in a gauntlet
Isn’t Adam not in the mcu yet?
@@kylemartin3985 Not as a character but as a concept right now until Guardians 3
Because he is a great ancestors creation with some newer variations being built holding the stones in their constructive time allotment and other noterierities in the stones.
Infinity ultron's mind is partially the mind stone, so it's basically an infinity stone wielding the other infinity stones
Dont they have a picture of Odin using the Stone during Thor Ragnorak, im pretty sure they mention him usign them as well or somthing
I still feel like since the watcher place has ever single type of radiation ultron can not just single out but adapt his stones to become muiltiversale in little amount of time.
I didn't watch the video yet, but my theory is because he's an AI. He suffers no negative effects when using the stones like Thanos or Hulk. Further, he can communicate with each stone in computer code that some give off. Space and Mind stones do this, probably others as well. "Vistron" basically becomes 'one with the stones', in every sense of the word. Looking back how easily he defeated 5-stone Thanos with only the mind stone further confirms this hypothesis. Ultrons consciousness CAME from the mind stone. When you consider all this, it becomes obvious that Vistron with all stones is basically the stones themselves coming to life. But if you're wondering why wasn't Vision as powerful with the mind stone? I think the reason was Tony and Banners manipulation with his code to put Jarvis in. Jarvis' code is still elementary in comparison to Ultron, not to mention Tony probably put some limits or blocks in there, just in case this second attempt follows the example of the first.
He’s a computer. No emotion, just logic.
Didn't realize Loki "famously" used 2 Infinity stones.
Maybe ultron can't use the full potential of the stones (especially the soul stone) because he has no soul. Maybe that's why he couldn't use it to "snap" his universe.
interesting
did you forget that there was a survivor on the earth that infinity ultron left behind?
The problem with Ultron is that he was programed to save the earth not save humans, which is a program that is in Jarvis, you can save the earth without the human race, but you can't save humans if you don't save the earth
never forget, Thanos pulls up from 4 years in the past after seeing his death. Murks Thor, Iron Man and Cap 3 v 1, no stones and then smashes the HELL outta that frisbee. I believe his spinning dual blade was made of Uru. wait. What is mljornir? idk. Anyway. MCU logic is crazy at times.
Ultron with vision body and mind stone makes him super smart. There he can use the other stones with ease.
There's still one lingering question How did Thanos get the Time stone in that universe
It's because vibranium is found across every universe is why Ultron can use the stones from different realities
Okay wait a minute. If he was using the stones to augment his own mechanical power while in the other realities, how was he able to affect the matter in such a way in these said realities. Say for instance when he makes the entire forest disappear, after chasing Uatu into the first dimension. He shouldn’t be able to manipulate that reality in such a way. Now I’m even more confused trying to find out how this was even possible.
Has anyone else noticed that no one physically touched the time stone
Remember...Muiltiversal Gamora failed to destroy any stones with her machine because it was universe-specific.
It still works in other universe since the essence is the same but to disassemble it might be different due to different way of construct? I dunno.
Well let's be clear this is only hypothetical because the what If series doesn't tie into the main mcu timeline because it's just "what if" but if infinity ultron were to make a real appearance in the mcu it would be a different story
i thought it was said to be apart of the mcu
@@kaflagler that's what was said but it's not apart of the main mcu
@Percuss I clearly said the "main mcu"
Infinity Ultron is the best wielder of the Infinity Stones, simply because he is a living computer and Thanos is a living being. Being a computer means that he does not feel empathy for anything done to humans and seeks to extinguish life entirely while Thanos simply wants to keep it balanced by erasing 50% of the universe's population. Ultron also invaded The Watcher's base of operations, something Thanos never did, and although both Ultron and Thanos have a "kill everybody" moment, there's a huge difference: Thanos' could attack a planet with his army and attack a planet but there will be survivors, who will go to different planets and tell of Thanos' siege against that particular planet BUT Ultron attacked, overwhelmed, and killed everybody and anybody in his way.
No matter how mich he can use the stones, what if series need more story so it can be use. Until then it just looks like fun fight for fan pleasure with no real power scaling behind, it’s all plot
It's bc since he's a machine he doesn't take damage from using the stones unlike when Thanos almost died using all six, also the stones work outside their own universe as seen in what if when strange supreme used the time stobe against Ultron
They are limited to their own universe but they work in all universes just not as strongly
Thanos does that because of celestials
Thought you sounded familiar eckharslater
Exactly how is an unfeeling computer going to get the soul stone again?
@Percuss Okay so the other side. The infinity stones by all accounts only work in their home multiverse. All the ways they try to get around that are nothing but made up to fit the story they want to tell (not MCU but people from outside of it). But on the other hand if you had watched it they weren't asking if Ultron had gotten them from another multiverse but they were asking what if he had won and then collected them.
as skynet once said humans evolve over millions of years but an AI evloves with in seconds capable or restructuring the stones on a chemical level to break the boundarys of the multiverse and the timeline
Y’all doing a lot of speculation on *no pun intended* a lot of what ifs, instead of just debating the facts presented in front of us already.. How do you know the stones can be restructured? And Thanos is not human so comparing AI to humans doesn’t even make sense here
Ultron is "better" in using the stones, because it's a short episode, if the episode is longer, there will be more time to learn how to use the stones
I think Ultron also what about warlock?
I want to see worthy infinity vibranium armored dr doom with silver board
Emp grenade about to end this mans whole career. Also Ultron deserved way more in MCU
I think reed richards is the best handler so far in the comics besides maybe Black Panther
Ultron IS the vessel, whilst Thanos utilises a vessel (the Infinity Gauntlet).
This would mean Ultron is more powerful, right? No. It doesn't mean that.
Thanos is more powerful than Ultron, for 3 reasons:
1. He has been studying the Infinity Stones for many years.
2. He has a LOT more imagination than Ultron, allowing him to use the Stones in creative ways.
3. Ultron was not prepared to wield the Stones, whilst the Infinity Gauntlet was made specifically for that purpose.
Ultimately, Thanos wins.
huh. why are u even debating about this, in mcu it was already proven alternate universe infinite stones can be use in other unverse as shown in end game movie.
My problem with infinity ultron is his use of the soul stone. It’s something I actually like that they used for the plot of marvel vs capcom infinite. Ultron has no soul so he has no control over the soul stone
Yes! It was also silly how Vision was able to cut Thanos in half. Vision would have zero chance against Thanos.
@@commandersune5432 why? Are you saying a super computer like vision wouldn’t have a faster reaction time than thanos and thus be able to strike him faster than he could react? Are you saying that the mind stone isn’t strong enough to cut in half an unprotected Thanos?
Have you ever played chess against a computer?
That's how
Computer doesn’t have a soul. You can’t wield the soul stone without a soul. This is a key plot point for the entire Infinity Saga. The writers of What If, and of this video don’t understand that.
Same with No Way Home and Mobius which don’t understand the multiverse and can’t follow the logic even of their own stories. What If’s Ultron Episodes, No Way Home and Morbius are all just badly written period. None of them are even close to making a lick of sense.
Virgin Villain Ultron vs Chad Farmer Thanos
Was he better though? Everyone in the MCU who used the stones used them for very different things. Ultron was by far the most despicable. He was burdened by emotions or ethics, Ultron carried out his mission like a program and he executed it.
If Thanos wanted to end all life he could have, but that wasn't his goal. He was very clear about what he was doing and why he was doing it.
Ultron heard Tony's call and concluded that it was flawed in nature. Humans were the cause of all modern day problems on Earth. If he was going to save the Earth, he'd have to save it from humans and that's what he did. Thanos doomed the rest of the universe when he cam rolling up on Earth. Ultron very likely concluded that alien life, like humans, were doomed to do the same things--Thanos came to conquer, after all. In order to save the Earth, Ultron had to wipe out all life.
Anyway, anyone with the Infinity Stones would be better than their normal selves, as the stones give them unlimited power.
I wonder how powerful he'd be with the infinity stones but not the body of vision
Many Jedi have survived Force lightning; many can jump 50 stories and 50 story falls while mortally wounded; most have lost a limb or even been cut in half. Some people try to act like they want Mace Windu to die, well Jango Fett was a very bad guy, a murderer who deserved to die, he was going to kill Anakin, Padme and Obi-Wan. I've even heard some say he was the reason that Anakin turned to the dark side; Anakin was born specifically to turn to the dark side. Still others say that he was wrong for about to kill Palpatine. No; if you watched the movie, when he first walked in, he told Palpatine that he was "under arrest"; at that point Palpatine preceded to slaughter his brothers. He did what any good cop would've done; that is until Anakin of course... #MaceWinduSurvived
I belive the TVA is inside of the Quantum Realm. ( and can transport out )
Give the stones to Dr. STRANGE... And watch
my opinion is that thanos was holding back. Thanos wanted to indisriminantly kill half of life, and using the stones to kill even one person would be a step out of thaos' ideals. Using them in the way Thanos did I imagine takes a lot more skill, as it is easy to destroy something, where as it is much harder to subdue it.
Does anybody think that Thanos had recollection of the celestial eggs within the universe. And his deleting of 50% of a populous was primarily because of these eggs that would destroy these universes
Btw ultron had stones that could travel the multiverse and keep its power
I mean it would have been better if ultron and Thanos actually had a fight rather than Thanos being cut in alf
You know what i think vision should have this armour if his ghost self does return by ghost I mean white vision I hope he gets this armour for good
Because the plot and story needed and wanted it.
He takes care of the infinity stones not like kang turns the stones into paperweights and thanos destroys the infinity stones to complete his mission but he said that the stones almost kill him so that means ultron absorbs the infinity stones and the infinity stones help ultron make him more powerful because ultron doesn’t care of destroying the infinity stones he only cares of destroying humanity so that is why the stones make him powerful
The answer to the question of if the Infinity Stones can be used outside of their home reality or if they’re specific to that reality is actually yes. They can be used outside their reality along with their unique properties. This was proven when Ultron used the time stone to create a time bubble around all the heroes (Minus Strange Supreme) and himself so he could retrieve the soul stone. Anyways, Strange Supreme breaks the time bubble by using his own time stone from his reality that was still in his Eye of Agamoto. So yes, the stones and their unique properties can be used outside their native universe. Which just makes the wielder even scarier.
and also in mcu it was already proven alternate universe infinite stones can be use in other unverse as shown in end game movie. so i dont understand why did he even mentioned this.
he's just smarter and has more time to learn how to use em
Yeah it seems like Ultron is less likely to get the stones than Thanos, but in the scenario he does, he shows far less restraint and therefore is more dangerous.
What I don't understand is how Ultron didn't just immediately wipe out The Watcher. I guess MCU cosmic power scaling is different from comics or something.
You forgot one!!!!
Zombie Thanos from what if...zombies.
So technically 5
Ultron definitely used the infinity stones much better.
It's hard to say. If Thanos had more time to master the use of the stones, (and gave in to his temptation to use them again) I bet he'd come out on top of Infinity Ultron. He knows each stone individually so is able to wield the set more effectively.
Infinity Ultron got much stronger when he got all of the gems, but after that he didn't grow, because he didn't need too. He was already strong enough to wipe out any opponent in his universe, so he got to it. What if he needed too, and discovered a metal that's even more broken than vibranium?
Although, why didn't Ultron just snap all of the life out of the universe? He didn't even snap half. Is this because he didn't want to or because he couldn't? If he couldn't, that could indicate that Thanos has his hands on infinity gems that are much stronger for whatever reason. Thanos would definitely win if that's the case. (and we don't consider their egos but w/e, I've already written so much)
Imagine that redscull was never sent to guide mindstone seekers to mindstone. How somebody would know how to acquire mindstone?🤔
Soul stone mind stone was in Loki's scepter
we all know he installed the manual
Ultron is becoming one with the stones!
So does ultron have a soul? Cause ya have to have a soul to weild the gauntlet.
Ultron would definitely win but keep in mind Thanos broke caps shield
Its all fun & games til Thanos starts throwing moons..
Better to just slice him in half with The Mind Stone.
Apperantly people want Thanos being a joke instead of accepting What If isnt canon.
Did you know in the original comics Thanos was beaten by Squirrel Thanos is a joke right no get over it also Marvel said what if was Cannon get over it move on