So in conclusion, its like a bunch of "people" with a desk/office job, that one counts, this one files, this one is the manager who approves stuff, that one is the delivery person, i like that lol
Well they’re all operating on behalf of the OAA whilst it just chills making sure things are fine on a normal scale whilst they churn the OAA’s will on a cosmic scale… huh… imagine them as disconnected limbs acting on the behalf of the OAA… huh
Just a theory but yee I reckon all celestials are just extensions/avatars/limbs of the One Above All acting out its will on a cosmic scale whilst it maintains balance and watches the multiverses from a normal scale and then could obviously monitor the micro verse and keep balance in that… just multiple limbs on a cosmic, macro and micro scale keeping balance, always watching, seamlessly searching for something or maybe nothing…
If you go deep in the comics knull is actually one of the first beings and the reason he hate the other celestials is because he loved the darkness and when they started creating suns and life it brought light from then forth he made it his mission to wipe them out
Nola is the very first being in existence arrested in the void when the celestials came they bothered his Darkness with all the light what she did not like so he made the first symbiote and used it to cut the head off of nowhere
I always find it weird that the Celestials in the Eternals movie look and feel so radically different than the Celestials we see in Thor: Love and Thunder and the Guardians of the Galaxy. I also have two main theories for Ego. First one is that Ego is a forgotten or pre-mature birthed Celestial that somehow managed to survive the death of the world he was incubating in. He has lost whatever connection the other Celestials have with eachother, or they don't even know he survived, and never went looking for him. Because he wasn't 'raised' by other Celestials upon waking up, he wasn't taught how to use his powers like they do, and had to essentially figure them out himself, discovering new ways to manifest his power. Second Theory is that Ego didn't call himself a "Celestial" in the manner of the Celestials, but that he was a celestial, as in, he is a godly space being. This is mostly because he doesn't know where he came from, and doesn't know of others like himself, but if thought of himself as a "Celestial" he would have learned about the actual Celestials that are apparently still running around the Universe and realized he's not alone, so leading me to believe he doesn't see himself as one of them, and so not a "Celestial" with a capital C. But it would be really cool if they actually did something with Star-Lord's "Celestial" heritage, like having him meet Eternals or something.
@@markcruz359 I thoughed that Ego said hey didn't know where hey came from or what hey was. And eventually formed his powers and grew and became a planet like being. Considered a Celestial.
In Marvel Comics, there are eight versions of the Cosmos, where the universe/multiverse dies and is reborn in a new form. The Celestials originate in the First Cosmos, and are reborn in each consecutive cosmos. The First Cosmos was originally only inhabited by the First Firmament (the precursor of Eternity) who was all life and all consciousness and all matter and energy. All else is empty void. He became lonely, and created beings much like lesser versions of himself to venerate him and reflect his glory. The ones who did so by worshiping him were called Aspirants, and those who did so by imitating him and creating life themselves were called Celestials. The Aspirants and Celestials engaged in a holy war over whose nature and purpose was proper. The result was the death of the First Cosmos. The Second Cosmos was the First Multiverse, with infinite variations coming into existence from the shards of the First Firmament. The Celestials created beings without limit to their abilities to deal with the possible results of infinite variation, which became the Beyonders. The embodiment of the Second Cosmos so hungered for the new and unique that it lasted on a few millennia before embracing the newest, most unique experience it could conceive: All-Death. The Beyonders exist in a continuum split off from the Second Cosmos, which is beyond all the variations of subsequent multiverses (hence the name Beyonders). The Third Cosmos was embodies by two entities, Lifebringer and Anti-All, who embodied and expressed its opposing polarities. It was the first cosmos to possess concepts like good and evil, hope and despair, etc. In its defining moment, Lifebringer (also known as the First Hero) shattered Anti-All into fragments, after which the Third Cosmos collapsed and was reborn. The Fourth Cosmos was the birthplace of narrative, story, and meaning. It was inhabited by embodied tropes and archetypes, which were the foundations from which later heroes and villains spring in later universes. Beings like Of-Past (basis of Captain America), Of-Future (basis of Iron Man), Four-Who-Are-One (basis of the Fantastic Four), One-Who-Is-Four (basis of the Hulk), and Could-Be-You (basis of Spider-Man). It was brought to an end by the transformation of What-Must-Be (basis of Galactus, Devourer of Worlds) into What-Can-Be (basis of Galactus the Lifebringer). The Sentience of the Fourth Cosmos, also called the Pilgrim, chose to Journey Into Mystery and took the archetypes with her, so their nature would survive and inform later cosmoses. She journeyed outside what is and became the Neverqueen, the embodiment of Could-Be/Should-Be and Couldn't-Be/Shouldn't-Be, the realms that exist beyond existence. The Fifth Cosmos was a realm of pure magic, where the rules of sorcery were created, where all things held potency and portent, and where all fires were secret. It was ruled over in its later eons by the Sorcerer Supreme Mor-I-Dun. When the Fifth Cosmos died, Mor-I-Dun merged with its sentience and became Omnimax, the Big Hungry, the Sixth Cosmos' version of Galactus. The Sixth Cosmos was a realm of pure science and super-science. Scienceers crusaded against evil in that realm, and arguably the greatest of them was Taia of Ta'a, Scienceer Supreme, and mother of the last Scienceer Supreme, Galan of Ta'a. When the Sixth Cosmos died, Galan merged with its Sentience and became Galactus, the Devourer of Worlds. The Seventh Cosmos was the Marvel multiverse as seen in the comics, embodied by Infinity (all space) and Eternity (all time). It was destroyed by the Beyonders in a series of Incursions (where timelines would compress into each other with only one surviving) in an attempt to ward off a non-linear mulitversal threat they referred to as the Dominion. The Eighth Cosmos was a deliberate re-creation of the Seventh Cosmos. Infinity stayed behind to embody the now-lost Seventh Cosmos, with Eternity embodying all space-time in the Eighth Cosmos. It was recreated by the efforts of Franklin (supplying imagination) and Reed (supplying organization) Richards using the powers of Owen Reece, the Molecule Man who, having transcended the bounds of matter and realized the nature of reality, began to refer to himself as the Narrative Man.
I had to read that at least 3 times. Very interesting though. I hope it’s correct because I’m too lazy to fact check it and I’m gonna tell others about this. If they correct me and call me out I’ll be thinking about you though.
What would be interesting is if marvel tries to tie ego in as a celestial by way of the necrosword and knull eons ago. I think with Gorr and the black sword making an appearance it could tie a few things in well together, like how did Ego have cosmic power to begin with..why was he just a floating brain? Why didn't it die? Etc...also I think it could help to explain why ego could manipulate matter without technology (and breed with our universe) as he had to learn how to so so over eons.
@@MrFallen1ne couldn't agree more, but seeing a how they already screwed the pooch i still think the necrosword(and it looks like they're possibly ruining that as well) would make a great background as to how he became body less without remembering anything before. But yeah...that was a stupid call on their part(they make a lot)
@@lakshyagupta308 well as far as I know there is not one in the comics, since marvel and Disney put forth that ego is a celestial (he's not in the comics) I say that now with gorr in the mcu(and the necro sword in one form or another) that they could find a way to explain how Ego came to be a floating brain in space. They may not as I don't think knull will ever be introduced in the mcu bit they could find a way for spoilers as a way to flesh out how ego came to be that way. In the first gardians the mining city is a decapitated celestial, ego could have been essentially the same thing but with just his brain left over floating in space caused by knull and the necro sword
The way I interpreted it, in Arishem's description of creating celestials, he wasn't a floating brain. Ya'll are taking that waaay too literally. He was more of a concentration of sentient energy, formless and without binding, and found himself able to manipulate matter and energy around him at will. Although convenient, it essentially bound him to creation. His greatest strength became his weakness. He grafted a heart or nerve center or whatever that was in the movie, and destroying that eradicated his existence. Although idk how they account for the fact that he didn't exactly have an existence beforehand, but y'know lol.
I’m interested to see more of the celestials, but I have no idea where or how they might tie into the story, at least not in the short term (minus the judging of earth). It seems like the celesials were made much larger for the MCU compared to the comics so it’s hard to imagine how they’ll be included in any future conflicts.
Yeah it seems hard to tie on with conflict that happened in the MCU. They are really² big that cause other issue in MCU seems irrelevant for them to interfere.
It could be Ego's abilities aren't unique, the fact that he trained and developed them in that specific way may be where the separation occurs. The two methods of acting based on the same fundamentals, but developed into two utterly separate applications.
Honestly Eternals felt like it was done far too soon, the Celestials and Eternals aren't a part of the Secret Wars arc but there was that theory going around that Celestial blood (or likely some sort of cosmic radiation from Tiamut's partial awakening) is what causes Mutants to emerge on Earth-616, which as we know is now what our Earth is called in the MCU thanks to Dr Strange Multiverse of Madness and Kevin Feige and other Marvel leadership have not said since that movie's release that that fact is not canon so as far as I'm concerned the Earth that Eternals takes place on is indeed Earth-616. That would allow them to introduce the new Fantastic 4 before Secret Wars occurs and set up villains like the Maker etc after Kang is defeated in The Kang Dynasty movie.
I would love to see the Collector and Grandmaster have a chess like Battleworld similar to the comics where they battled for the iso8. I do not think they are celestials though.
Tiamut was a Celestial that questioned its purpose and doing so he was not only transcend his function/purpose but transcend above the other Celestials,
though, i couldn't find any evidence that he was lying, and i can assume that this is some theory that people came up due to Ego having a different appearance to the other celestials.
Wow this is amazing I'm learning alot since I don't read the comic at all but it would be nice to explore the celestial background alot more given more details
@@titan-1802 they still have the same basis to work off of. What else but a very powerful blade that has been said to be able to take out the entire Omnipotence city which housed Celestials unless they have another random blade out their capable of taking of celestial heads
I’d like to see Ziran the Tester and Gamiel the Manipulator in the MCU. Their designs are awesome and I’d like to see that translate to the style of the MCU
I absolutely hate this new interpretation of the Celestials where they look like some corrupted Phyrexians from Magic The Gathering. Their original, clean and pristine and fascinating image from early in the comics, was IMMENSELY better and more accurate. Why would they be bulging herniated flesh like some cosmic zombies? Totally stupid.
@@Livinghopefulandhonest Agree it's a matter of opinion, but the comic designs showed mystery, clearly unfathomable power in their odd techno-cosmic design, intrigue and an overall elegant, well composed, fascinating, clearly cosmic, (and almost perfect) presence. They weren't just mutated and mutilated looking monsters like they're becoming now, which lack all of that.
@@ianokay not at all,the comic designs looked like power ranger mechs ...the new designs make them feel like born out of the cosmos itself ,like why would such beings need mech suits
Master Weaver from earth 001 from the SpiderVerse comic wears a mask that looks exactly like Arashem's face. The fact that he is from the first universe points to the fact that Arashem aided in the creation of the universe.
I would love a mini series about the celestials. Maybe like 20 mins per episode with 8 or so episodes in which we get introduced to some of the celestials, see them in action and eventually we get to see them fight as part of some kind of civil war between multiple groups of them. Maybe that could even be the cause of the Big Bang or smth and the series ends with arishem and a few other survivors of the conflict vow to repopulate their species and we watch as they create multiple planets and embed the celestial’s inside of them to grow and it ends with arishem forming the earth. I think that would be some really cool lore for the mcu and give us some visually stunning moments between the massive titans with their glowing lights and awesome designs. Maybe they could even go as far as to say that the infinity stones were actually the hearts of 6 of the original celestials left to float through the universe after the celestials to which they belonged died. But that might be quite a stretch and separation from the comics.
@@MinhLe-yj7hy and afaik celestials only seem to care about themselves as arishem didnt mind killing everybody on earth for tiamut's birth as seen in the eternals movie but galactus maintains the balance in the universe (yes that leads to the destruction of planets) but ig what am saying is galactus does more good than bad comaritively.
@@grimsoul009 Galactus "is neither good nor evil, Galactus just is. I am a force of nature. I am the universal balancer". The Celestials aren't good or evil themselves, they are balancers as well. They create/spark life and sentience and comes from placing cosmic eggs within planets birthing new Celestials. Galactus eats planets teaming with energy and/or sentience...99% of the time incubating a cosmic egg. Galactus makes sure that the universe doesn't become overcrowded and keeps the Celestial population inline as well While the Celestials, bring life to a desolate universe(s) & multiverses, which keeps Knull imprisoned in the Void Dimension, as well as increase the number of Celestials to battle against the antithesis The Cosmic Swarm (aka The Horde) and to another extent the Beyonders. They are all balancers, and don't abide by humanoid constructs such "good" and "evil". Tbey...just are... They are them, them are they. They act on the necessity and balance of the universe they are in.
If you want to see a nice fight between Galactus and the Celestials, read the Earth X storyline. Or watch a vid from Comics Explained. Rob goes full on nerd mode with his commentary. 😂😂
So, my question is with Arishem's explained purpose or function in the marvel universe, how does that work or conflict with the function of The Phoenix Force? As the Guardian of Creation, the Phoenix Force is said to be responsible for ensuring that all of the universe continues to evolve. Any part of the universe that becomes stagnant is destroyed by the Phoenix and reset.
The celestials are essentially just a really strong race of aliens, that do funky experiments. The phoenix force on the other hand is a cosmic entity, if the celestials deemed a planet unworthy and destroyed it but the phoenix force came and was like "nuh-uh i like this plant and its people" then theres nothing the celestials could do to change that... hell even Galactus could beat a celestial 1v1. But essentially the celestials were created by the First Firmament and were originally called aspirants, but then they revolted and caused the Celestial war which they won and split the First Firmament and created the first multiverse. The phoenix force existed in that universe aswell as a cosmic enitity and thus with the destruction of each universe, the phoenix force survives and goes onto the next just like the celestial, galactus, and any other cosmic beings.
@@titan-1802 no they can’t there cosmic beings there not humans like all cosmic abstracts they have full use of there atoms n can shape shift n alter their size at will
Hey man, I love watching your videos, theories and stuff but ever since the introduction of Eternals I kinda want to ask you a bunch of questions regarding the God's and Eternals and Celestials and their powers and Stuff.... Hope you can clear my doubts... My Questions are : 1, Who are Powerful, The gods or the Eternals if so how..? Coz we know the Eternals are way older than the gods in MCU. 2, How much powerful the MCU gods are... Like can they actually grant the wishes of their followers..? Or can only protect them from external threats like extinction. 3, Can Kang Defeat the Celestials if he thinks they're obstructing his plans or they're too powerful for him..? 4, How do the gods created...? By human worship or faith or something else..? And can they defeat Eternals or Celestials if they want to..? 5, If the eternals want to living like normal and like sprite and if they had to give up their powers to be normal.. Then doe it means thanos isn't an eternal coz their parents must give up the powers to conceive children..? And does it makes him less powerful than his family and fellow eternals..?
It's most likely that Knowhere is the celestial that Knull killed and created the symbiotes. It's known that knull fought and killed many celestials and from one the head of one of them he made a forge and created the symbiotic species. Due to the catastrophic fires and ringing of the forge when making the symbiotes, is the reason why they have a weakness to fire and sound.
@Shame we do know. In Thor Love & Thunder, they introduced the Necro Sword. This was & is the same sword created & used by Knull to kill celestials & other primordial beings. That's a Marvel fact
@@rj_the_mc4378 they change stuff around a bunch in the MCU compared to the comics, the all-black could've been made by some completely different guy for all we know
Eson the Searcher seems SUSSSSSS Maybe see him and the watcher have some type of intervention to keep Kang the Conqueror from reversing all emergences.
Back in the early 90s when I read comic books. The Watchers and the Celestials were in conflict/war with each other. And the leader of bother would fight to the death every thousands of years lol
I have always theorized that in some distant pass, Ego was a regular celestial that for some reason or another was destroyed, maybe Galactus, and that part of his brain survived and restored itself thus Ego gain consciousness again. Nowhere is what is left of his body.
I feel Ego can be excluded. He's a false Celestial and only made one for the movies to make Starlord more significant. In the comics, he's just a sentient planet. An angry, greedy planet.
I dont think ego is a celestial like the ones who made the universe. I think they meant that he’s a celestial in the sense that he’s a planet, a “celestial” body.
from what i remember ego, collector and grrandmaster werent actual celestials, they were however 3 of the oldest beings in the universe....i got that info from the 1980's who's who in marvel. i may misremembering what im saying but thats what i do remember
maybe ego is the beheaded celestial ? he got decapacitated and his soul or celestial energy was ''thrown'' into space where it had to reform while losing all memory so it became something entirely new in physical appearance
What I want to know is who got the Power Stone from Eson? Who is so powerful that they would be able to not only beat a Celestial, but beat a Celestial WITH an infinity stone?
I think any celestial can Splinter that Consciousness to separate Beings. I just think the celestials had no reason to do it. Let's face it, with that power scale so far up there they can do pretty much anything
Also the reason why he did it,which you mentioned you didnt know. Knull ruled over the darkness when there was no light. When the celestials brought light to his darkness he went to war with them
I dream since i was a child, to see the real battle for the Infinity Stones, with Thanos fighting against almost every cosmic Entity known in the Marvel's comic books. Imagine Galactus, Eternity and all the Celestials against Thanos. That was what really happened on the Infinity Stones Saga.
considering how the celestials rely on an abundance of life to be born, it is strange that they did not just squish Thanos when he was on his YEARS LONG mission
As always with superhero universes the concepts are cool but as soon as they are revealed they quickly are turned into the monster of the week. As a hard Scifi fan I really like the concept of the celestials and what they are, work etc etc. The problem is that they become mundane and just another enemy to quickly and the power creep in the MCUU just makes them another stepping stone for regular joe heroes.
Symbiote God Knull revealed that he was the one who killed the Celestial whose head became Knowhere with the use of All-Black the Necrosword and used his head to create more symbiotes.
Always though the goofed with the celestials. They should only be enigmatic ultimately alien background figures that are used as perspective checks. Arishem talking is just bonkers.
Tiamut's mcu character really didn't do justice to his comics counterpart, when he got out of earth, even galactus got afraid, who was a few universes away at the time. Also, as the celestials are here, I am pretty sure, the mcu is planning to bring in the next saga.
The collector and the grand master look to similar for it to be a coincidence, maybe they were created by the power of a celestial, or maybe they are celestial that were birthed from the same planet at the same times, explaining their similar looks, and their seemingly unknown amount of power.
Are the infinity stones very tiny portions of each celestials powers? Such as Tiamut being the efficient traveler and creating the space stone. Or Arishem judging planets and shaping them to his reality and creating the reality stone? The celestials seem to also have similar colors to the stones.
In comics the first symbiote null decapitated a Celestial and there is a theory that the Celestial head in guardians of the galaxy is the one killed by null. So it is believed that one day we will see null in the mcu
the collector is not a celestial - they are elders of the universe. Neither is the grandmaster or the The Champion of the Universe. There are others - The Runner, The Gardener, The Contemplator, The Possessor, etc. The Marvel Universe's ancient beings have been around since their big bang - and even before it. There are beings so old they’ve seen not only the extinction of their own species but also the rise and fall of countless alien civilizations.
I think knowhere is the head left over from the celestial that knull decapitated, the existence of venom means knull is canon because otherwise he wouldn’t exist so I think that’s the celestial that was used to make the all dark
The celestial seem cool I just hate how boring the externals movies was. I kept falling asleep whenever they wasn’t shown. The celestial was the best part.
It made sense back then but if the comics was written in this era, the celestials are a laughing stock. Can u imagine advance beings have one main aspect of function? The calculator The judge The whatever What kind of beings has one function and aspect? The calculator celestial is a joke today but back then calculators were considered tech so I can understand why they calculator celestial back then but now it’s a joke
In the guardians of the galaxy ride at Walt Disney world, a celestial is seen attempting to “erase an error in the world” is that a cannon celestial and does he have a name or is he just for the ride
Its hinted that its Quills mother who has a connection with celestials thats why Quill was the only one thus far to be compatible with the celestials. Ego is just egotistical
Don't we first see Erishem in guardians of the galaxy where he uses the power stone? Or whichever movie we see him use it to wipe out a crowd of people?
Aren’t the infinity stones a celestial that got split into 7 gems (in the main universe) and the 7th stone being the ego stone and if they are brought together the celestial will be brought back Ps if this is correct then the celestial using the power stone was using a part of the (for the lack of a better word) corpse as a tool which would be pretty morbid
So in conclusion, its like a bunch of "people" with a desk/office job, that one counts, this one files, this one is the manager who approves stuff, that one is the delivery person, i like that lol
Well they’re all operating on behalf of the OAA whilst it just chills making sure things are fine on a normal scale whilst they churn the OAA’s will on a cosmic scale… huh… imagine them as disconnected limbs acting on the behalf of the OAA… huh
Just a theory but yee I reckon all celestials are just extensions/avatars/limbs of the One Above All acting out its will on a cosmic scale whilst it maintains balance and watches the multiverses from a normal scale and then could obviously monitor the micro verse and keep balance in that…
just multiple limbs on a cosmic, macro and micro scale keeping balance, always watching, seamlessly searching for something or maybe nothing…
Knull is actually the one who decapitated the Celestial whose head became Knowhere.
Why?
He's a villian the lord of darkness and the celestials are his biggest enemy
If you go deep in the comics knull is actually one of the first beings and the reason he hate the other celestials is because he loved the darkness and when they started creating suns and life it brought light from then forth he made it his mission to wipe them out
Nola is the very first being in existence arrested in the void when the celestials came they bothered his Darkness with all the light what she did not like so he made the first symbiote and used it to cut the head off of nowhere
Bruh! When I first watched Eternals, I was awestruck when Arishem showed up. Dude goes around with a controllable blackhole!
I always find it weird that the Celestials in the Eternals movie look and feel so radically different than the Celestials we see in Thor: Love and Thunder and the Guardians of the Galaxy. I also have two main theories for Ego.
First one is that Ego is a forgotten or pre-mature birthed Celestial that somehow managed to survive the death of the world he was incubating in. He has lost whatever connection the other Celestials have with eachother, or they don't even know he survived, and never went looking for him. Because he wasn't 'raised' by other Celestials upon waking up, he wasn't taught how to use his powers like they do, and had to essentially figure them out himself, discovering new ways to manifest his power.
Second Theory is that Ego didn't call himself a "Celestial" in the manner of the Celestials, but that he was a celestial, as in, he is a godly space being. This is mostly because he doesn't know where he came from, and doesn't know of others like himself, but if thought of himself as a "Celestial" he would have learned about the actual Celestials that are apparently still running around the Universe and realized he's not alone, so leading me to believe he doesn't see himself as one of them, and so not a "Celestial" with a capital C.
But it would be really cool if they actually did something with Star-Lord's "Celestial" heritage, like having him meet Eternals or something.
Thor Love and Thunder had Celestials? Was that during Zeus' god council?
Ego was a Celestial because he grew from within that planet. Instead of forming a body he took over the entire planet.
@@markcruz359 yeah, they had Celestials in Omnipotent City.
@@mazhiwezakizo3513 Oh interesting, i must have missed it cause the movie was making me sleep
@@markcruz359 I thoughed that Ego said hey didn't know where hey came from or what hey was. And eventually formed his powers and grew and became a planet like being. Considered a Celestial.
In Marvel Comics, there are eight versions of the Cosmos, where the universe/multiverse dies and is reborn in a new form. The Celestials originate in the First Cosmos, and are reborn in each consecutive cosmos.
The First Cosmos was originally only inhabited by the First Firmament (the precursor of Eternity) who was all life and all consciousness and all matter and energy. All else is empty void. He became lonely, and created beings much like lesser versions of himself to venerate him and reflect his glory. The ones who did so by worshiping him were called Aspirants, and those who did so by imitating him and creating life themselves were called Celestials. The Aspirants and Celestials engaged in a holy war over whose nature and purpose was proper. The result was the death of the First Cosmos.
The Second Cosmos was the First Multiverse, with infinite variations coming into existence from the shards of the First Firmament. The Celestials created beings without limit to their abilities to deal with the possible results of infinite variation, which became the Beyonders. The embodiment of the Second Cosmos so hungered for the new and unique that it lasted on a few millennia before embracing the newest, most unique experience it could conceive: All-Death. The Beyonders exist in a continuum split off from the Second Cosmos, which is beyond all the variations of subsequent multiverses (hence the name Beyonders).
The Third Cosmos was embodies by two entities, Lifebringer and Anti-All, who embodied and expressed its opposing polarities. It was the first cosmos to possess concepts like good and evil, hope and despair, etc. In its defining moment, Lifebringer (also known as the First Hero) shattered Anti-All into fragments, after which the Third Cosmos collapsed and was reborn.
The Fourth Cosmos was the birthplace of narrative, story, and meaning. It was inhabited by embodied tropes and archetypes, which were the foundations from which later heroes and villains spring in later universes. Beings like Of-Past (basis of Captain America), Of-Future (basis of Iron Man), Four-Who-Are-One (basis of the Fantastic Four), One-Who-Is-Four (basis of the Hulk), and Could-Be-You (basis of Spider-Man). It was brought to an end by the transformation of What-Must-Be (basis of Galactus, Devourer of Worlds) into What-Can-Be (basis of Galactus the Lifebringer). The Sentience of the Fourth Cosmos, also called the Pilgrim, chose to Journey Into Mystery and took the archetypes with her, so their nature would survive and inform later cosmoses. She journeyed outside what is and became the Neverqueen, the embodiment of Could-Be/Should-Be and Couldn't-Be/Shouldn't-Be, the realms that exist beyond existence.
The Fifth Cosmos was a realm of pure magic, where the rules of sorcery were created, where all things held potency and portent, and where all fires were secret. It was ruled over in its later eons by the Sorcerer Supreme Mor-I-Dun. When the Fifth Cosmos died, Mor-I-Dun merged with its sentience and became Omnimax, the Big Hungry, the Sixth Cosmos' version of Galactus.
The Sixth Cosmos was a realm of pure science and super-science. Scienceers crusaded against evil in that realm, and arguably the greatest of them was Taia of Ta'a, Scienceer Supreme, and mother of the last Scienceer Supreme, Galan of Ta'a. When the Sixth Cosmos died, Galan merged with its Sentience and became Galactus, the Devourer of Worlds.
The Seventh Cosmos was the Marvel multiverse as seen in the comics, embodied by Infinity (all space) and Eternity (all time). It was destroyed by the Beyonders in a series of Incursions (where timelines would compress into each other with only one surviving) in an attempt to ward off a non-linear mulitversal threat they referred to as the Dominion.
The Eighth Cosmos was a deliberate re-creation of the Seventh Cosmos. Infinity stayed behind to embody the now-lost Seventh Cosmos, with Eternity embodying all space-time in the Eighth Cosmos. It was recreated by the efforts of Franklin (supplying imagination) and Reed (supplying organization) Richards using the powers of Owen Reece, the Molecule Man who, having transcended the bounds of matter and realized the nature of reality, began to refer to himself as the Narrative Man.
WOW!! nice job, you really have no life
I had to read that at least 3 times. Very interesting though. I hope it’s correct because I’m too lazy to fact check it and I’m gonna tell others about this. If they correct me and call me out I’ll be thinking about you though.
@@DragonMasta99 been retconned many times but this is the latest one
one for the history books great comment
Such an interesting comment just to get 30 upvotes, thank you for this retelling of marvel history
I truly believe Ego is Knowheres Brain 🧠 thats why he is just floating as a Brain initially
Dont think so tbh
It isn't possible, as Knowhere's brain was mined for Knowhere to become a mining colony in the first place.
@@instantdominator2121 his Spinal fluid was mined
@@MasonNoThumbs Also, brain tissue.
That's what I thought but Ego was just a piece of the brain that regenerated. Since he was only a piece he had to evolve differently.
What would be interesting is if marvel tries to tie ego in as a celestial by way of the necrosword and knull eons ago. I think with Gorr and the black sword making an appearance it could tie a few things in well together, like how did Ego have cosmic power to begin with..why was he just a floating brain? Why didn't it die? Etc...also I think it could help to explain why ego could manipulate matter without technology (and breed with our universe) as he had to learn how to so so over eons.
Making ego a celestial is a huge mcu blunder.
@@MrFallen1ne couldn't agree more, but seeing a how they already screwed the pooch i still think the necrosword(and it looks like they're possibly ruining that as well) would make a great background as to how he became body less without remembering anything before. But yeah...that was a stupid call on their part(they make a lot)
@@mythos000000025 what's the story with ego and the necrosword
@@lakshyagupta308 well as far as I know there is not one in the comics, since marvel and Disney put forth that ego is a celestial (he's not in the comics) I say that now with gorr in the mcu(and the necro sword in one form or another) that they could find a way to explain how Ego came to be a floating brain in space. They may not as I don't think knull will ever be introduced in the mcu bit they could find a way for spoilers as a way to flesh out how ego came to be that way. In the first gardians the mining city is a decapitated celestial, ego could have been essentially the same thing but with just his brain left over floating in space caused by knull and the necro sword
The way I interpreted it, in Arishem's description of creating celestials, he wasn't a floating brain. Ya'll are taking that waaay too literally. He was more of a concentration of sentient energy, formless and without binding, and found himself able to manipulate matter and energy around him at will. Although convenient, it essentially bound him to creation. His greatest strength became his weakness. He grafted a heart or nerve center or whatever that was in the movie, and destroying that eradicated his existence. Although idk how they account for the fact that he didn't exactly have an existence beforehand, but y'know lol.
I’m interested to see more of the celestials, but I have no idea where or how they might tie into the story, at least not in the short term (minus the judging of earth). It seems like the celesials were made much larger for the MCU compared to the comics so it’s hard to imagine how they’ll be included in any future conflicts.
Yeah it seems hard to tie on with conflict that happened in the MCU. They are really² big that cause other issue in MCU seems irrelevant for them to interfere.
Marvel Studios should introduce the Fallen celestial and give Eson more screen time. That would be awesome.
It could be Ego's abilities aren't unique, the fact that he trained and developed them in that specific way may be where the separation occurs. The two methods of acting based on the same fundamentals, but developed into two utterly separate applications.
Honestly Eternals felt like it was done far too soon, the Celestials and Eternals aren't a part of the Secret Wars arc but there was that theory going around that Celestial blood (or likely some sort of cosmic radiation from Tiamut's partial awakening) is what causes Mutants to emerge on Earth-616, which as we know is now what our Earth is called in the MCU thanks to Dr Strange Multiverse of Madness and Kevin Feige and other Marvel leadership have not said since that movie's release that that fact is not canon so as far as I'm concerned the Earth that Eternals takes place on is indeed Earth-616. That would allow them to introduce the new Fantastic 4 before Secret Wars occurs and set up villains like the Maker etc after Kang is defeated in The Kang Dynasty movie.
the mcu earth is actually earth-19999
The MCU Earth isn't Earth-616, no matter what Feige says. It's Earth-19999. It doesn't override decades of comic continuity.
My fav is The Judge because he seems the most serious and because of his amazing origin story and design
I would love to see the Collector and Grandmaster have a chess like Battleworld similar to the comics where they battled for the iso8. I do not think they are celestials though.
The Collector and Grandmaster are two Elders of the Universe.
ultimate spiderman has 4 episodes about they
The dreaming celestial still one of my favorites
Transcending past his purpose and then teaming with the fulcrum
Tiamut was a Celestial that questioned its purpose and doing so he was not only transcend his function/purpose but transcend above the other Celestials,
Ego was a lier he was never a celestial he just wanted to be treated like one even tho he is a jobber
Yes
though, i couldn't find any evidence that he was lying, and i can assume that this is some theory that people came up due to Ego having a different appearance to the other celestials.
@@titan-1802 it’s literally in his name “ego” he thought he was a celestial due to his massive ego
Liar
@@anthonyrobino145 i read that in anakins voice
That ending scene as it goes through the cinematic of the celestials is awesome
Wow this is amazing I'm learning alot since I don't read the comic at all but it would be nice to explore the celestial background alot more given more details
Agreed 💯
I feel that, I never read the comics but because obsessed with the movies
Knull is the person that killed the Celestial when he went to war with them
not canon to the MCU Origin, only canon to the Comic's origin.
@@titan-1802 they still have the same basis to work off of. What else but a very powerful blade that has been said to be able to take out the entire Omnipotence city which housed Celestials unless they have another random blade out their capable of taking of celestial heads
I’d like to see Ziran the Tester and Gamiel the Manipulator in the MCU. Their designs are awesome and I’d like to see that translate to the style of the MCU
Gamiel is really small so he could be an enemy to the avengers and they could team up with the eternals
I absolutely hate this new interpretation of the Celestials where they look like some corrupted Phyrexians from Magic The Gathering. Their original, clean and pristine and fascinating image from early in the comics, was IMMENSELY better and more accurate. Why would they be bulging herniated flesh like some cosmic zombies? Totally stupid.
@@ianokay their comic designs were trash, I like tge new ones wayyyyyy more
@@Livinghopefulandhonest Agree it's a matter of opinion, but the comic designs showed mystery, clearly unfathomable power in their odd techno-cosmic design, intrigue and an overall elegant, well composed, fascinating, clearly cosmic, (and almost perfect) presence. They weren't just mutated and mutilated looking monsters like they're becoming now, which lack all of that.
@@ianokay not at all,the comic designs looked like power ranger mechs ...the new designs make them feel like born out of the cosmos itself ,like why would such beings need mech suits
Master Weaver from earth 001 from the SpiderVerse comic wears a mask that looks exactly like Arashem's face. The fact that he is from the first universe points to the fact that Arashem aided in the creation of the universe.
I would love a mini series about the celestials. Maybe like 20 mins per episode with 8 or so episodes in which we get introduced to some of the celestials, see them in action and eventually we get to see them fight as part of some kind of civil war between multiple groups of them. Maybe that could even be the cause of the Big Bang or smth and the series ends with arishem and a few other survivors of the conflict vow to repopulate their species and we watch as they create multiple planets and embed the celestial’s inside of them to grow and it ends with arishem forming the earth. I think that would be some really cool lore for the mcu and give us some visually stunning moments between the massive titans with their glowing lights and awesome designs. Maybe they could even go as far as to say that the infinity stones were actually the hearts of 6 of the original celestials left to float through the universe after the celestials to which they belonged died. But that might be quite a stretch and separation from the comics.
Really annoying how Disney keeps ruining celestial history.
The celestial called "Knowhere" was killed by the KING IN BLACK Knull using the necrosword.
Eternals should have been a show… Marvel has a chance to make it happen
How awsome would it be that, in the MCU, the Celestials are the antithesis to Galactus. Celestials create life/worlds, where Galactus destroys them.
celestials can also destroy a life
@@ILoveCompany oh true lol.
@@MinhLe-yj7hy and afaik celestials only seem to care about themselves as arishem didnt mind killing everybody on earth for tiamut's birth as seen in the eternals movie but galactus maintains the balance in the universe (yes that leads to the destruction of planets) but ig what am saying is galactus does more good than bad comaritively.
@@grimsoul009 well, to them we’re basically just bugs we don’t matter to them just like how we don’t care about bugs, insects and stuff like that.
@@grimsoul009
Galactus "is neither good nor evil, Galactus just is. I am a force of nature. I am the universal balancer".
The Celestials aren't good or evil themselves, they are balancers as well.
They create/spark life and sentience and comes from placing cosmic eggs within planets birthing new Celestials.
Galactus eats planets teaming with energy and/or sentience...99% of the time incubating a cosmic egg.
Galactus makes sure that the universe doesn't become overcrowded and keeps the Celestial population inline as well
While the Celestials, bring life to a desolate universe(s) & multiverses, which keeps Knull imprisoned in the Void Dimension, as well as increase the number of Celestials to battle against the antithesis The Cosmic Swarm (aka The Horde) and to another extent the Beyonders.
They are all balancers, and don't abide by humanoid constructs such "good" and "evil".
Tbey...just are... They are them, them are they. They act on the necessity and balance of the universe they are in.
What's next they cast Kevin Spacey as the nemesis to the celestials called the molestials?
🤨😅😅
Would be awesome to them going up against Galactus.
I think a more powerful Celestial like Arishem would win with Galactus . people don't appreciate celestials and their powers
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@@ILoveCompany yeah even galactus is weary of them but he’s still not scarred of them ether
Galactus feared Tiamut
If you want to see a nice fight between Galactus and the Celestials, read the Earth X storyline. Or watch a vid from Comics Explained. Rob goes full on nerd mode with his commentary. 😂😂
The entire time I watched Eternals, I kept thinking: Where is Galactus when you need him? LOL
I think the unknown celestial may have been the one Null decapitates with his sword in the comics.
Exitar! I want to see them brin Exitar in the MCU
6 MCU Movies after ETERNALS.. and still no one ever mentions the Emergence nor Arishem appearing in the sky which even effects our atmosphere.
So, my question is with Arishem's explained purpose or function in the marvel universe, how does that work or conflict with the function of The Phoenix Force? As the Guardian of Creation, the Phoenix Force is said to be responsible for ensuring that all of the universe continues to evolve. Any part of the universe that becomes stagnant is destroyed by the Phoenix and reset.
If they were to take this as true in the MCU, they would have to started with X-Men and not iron man.
And also Galactus ,supposely the sole survivor of the previous universe🤔
The celestials are essentially just a really strong race of aliens, that do funky experiments. The phoenix force on the other hand is a cosmic entity, if the celestials deemed a planet unworthy and destroyed it but the phoenix force came and was like "nuh-uh i like this plant and its people" then theres nothing the celestials could do to change that... hell even Galactus could beat a celestial 1v1.
But essentially the celestials were created by the First Firmament and were originally called aspirants, but then they revolted and caused the Celestial war which they won and split the First Firmament and created the first multiverse. The phoenix force existed in that universe aswell as a cosmic enitity and thus with the destruction of each universe, the phoenix force survives and goes onto the next just like the celestial, galactus, and any other cosmic beings.
The reason why ego looks different is because he has matter manipulation there cosmic beings they can look like whatever they want
Nope
@@princedavid5075 yeah 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@too_official6194 pretty sure Celestials can be human's too.
@@titan-1802 no they can’t they just shape shift to whatever they want
@@titan-1802 no they can’t there cosmic beings there not humans like all cosmic abstracts they have full use of there atoms n can shape shift n alter their size at will
Hey man, I love watching your videos, theories and stuff but ever since the introduction of Eternals I kinda want to ask you a bunch of questions regarding the God's and Eternals and Celestials and their powers and Stuff.... Hope you can clear my doubts...
My Questions are :
1, Who are Powerful, The gods or the Eternals if so how..? Coz we know the Eternals are way older than the gods in MCU.
2, How much powerful the MCU gods are... Like can they actually grant the wishes of their followers..? Or can only protect them from external threats like extinction.
3, Can Kang Defeat the Celestials if he thinks they're obstructing his plans or they're too powerful for him..?
4, How do the gods created...? By human worship or faith or something else..? And can they defeat Eternals or Celestials if they want to..?
5, If the eternals want to living like normal and like sprite and if they had to give up their powers to be normal.. Then doe it means thanos isn't an eternal coz their parents must give up the powers to conceive children..? And does it makes him less powerful than his family and fellow eternals..?
Gods are tied to the planet’s magical/cosmic energies; eternals were once humans that were made perfect to channel cosmic energies.
It's most likely that Knowhere is the celestial that Knull killed and created the symbiotes. It's known that knull fought and killed many celestials and from one the head of one of them he made a forge and created the symbiotic species. Due to the catastrophic fires and ringing of the forge when making the symbiotes, is the reason why they have a weakness to fire and sound.
We do not know for sure if Knull exists in the MCU, let alone the Sony universe
@Shame we do know. In Thor Love & Thunder, they introduced the Necro Sword. This was & is the same sword created & used by Knull to kill celestials & other primordial beings. That's a Marvel fact
@@rj_the_mc4378 they change stuff around a bunch in the MCU compared to the comics, the all-black could've been made by some completely different guy for all we know
With the whole multiverse thing with dr strange i could see them bringing tiemut in to existence...
Eson the Searcher seems SUSSSSSS Maybe see him and the watcher have some type of intervention to keep Kang the Conqueror from reversing all emergences.
Back in the early 90s when I read comic books. The Watchers and the Celestials were in conflict/war with each other. And the leader of bother would fight to the death every thousands of years lol
I have always theorized that in some distant pass, Ego was a regular celestial that for some reason or another was destroyed, maybe Galactus, and that part of his brain survived and restored
itself thus Ego gain consciousness again. Nowhere is what is left of his body.
Eson seems to be the smallest Celestial, since he was shown actually standing on that planet's ground
I thought he could mainpulate their size.
@@Masterahsoka that would be interesting. Make them smaller so the Avengers can fight them
Apparently celestials are whole seitient galaxy’s placed in dimensionly engineered armour casings
4:20 we do know how this celestial died. knull Used The All Black to Decapitate him. It was during the venom story where Knull took over the earth
That's the comic origin though,not the MCU origin.
That hasn’t been established yet, although ur prolly right
I feel Ego can be excluded. He's a false Celestial and only made one for the movies to make Starlord more significant. In the comics, he's just a sentient planet. An angry, greedy planet.
I have a feeling the MCU will reclass Galactus as a Celestial and introduce him that way.
I hope not.
I dont think ego is a celestial like the ones who made the universe. I think they meant that he’s a celestial in the sense that he’s a planet, a “celestial” body.
Knowhere is the severed head of a Celestial killed by Knull the Symbiote God.
from what i remember ego, collector and grrandmaster werent actual celestials, they were however 3 of the oldest beings in the universe....i got that info from the 1980's who's who in marvel. i may misremembering what im saying but thats what i do remember
maybe ego is the beheaded celestial ? he got decapacitated and his soul or celestial energy was ''thrown'' into space where it had to reform while losing all memory so it became something entirely new in physical appearance
that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense...
What I want to know is who got the Power Stone from Eson? Who is so powerful that they would be able to not only beat a Celestial, but beat a Celestial WITH an infinity stone?
Null is canonically older than the celestials making your video wrong in the first 10 seconds.
I think any celestial can Splinter that Consciousness to separate Beings. I just think the celestials had no reason to do it.
Let's face it, with that power scale so far up there they can do pretty much anything
Given that we have Marvel to thank for the origins of Primus and Unicron, are they Celestials or Deviants?
The head from guardians of the galaxy where they went to sell the power stone of also a celestial head cut off
I wonder if we'll get to see The One Above All.
I doubt it. He has very few appearances in the comics so probably not anytime soon
Doctor strange 2 when they’re traveling through universes they go into the living tribunal universe
Knull beheaded that celestial with his first symbiote he created. The necromancy sword. The name of that celestial was never named that I know of
Also the reason why he did it,which you mentioned you didnt know. Knull ruled over the darkness when there was no light. When the celestials brought light to his darkness he went to war with them
I like to see the One Above All
Just one above all. No *the*, that is the one above all the creator of the marvel universe
It’s crazy to think that somethings big enough to take the head clean off of nowhere😮
I dream since i was a child, to see the real battle for the Infinity Stones, with Thanos fighting against almost every cosmic Entity known in the Marvel's comic books. Imagine Galactus, Eternity and all the Celestials against Thanos. That was what really happened on the Infinity Stones Saga.
I thought these things are impressive, then i learned about Kang.
considering how the celestials rely on an abundance of life to be born, it is strange that they did not just squish Thanos when he was on his YEARS LONG mission
As always with superhero universes the concepts are cool but as soon as they are revealed they quickly are turned into the monster of the week. As a hard Scifi fan I really like the concept of the celestials and what they are, work etc etc. The problem is that they become mundane and just another enemy to quickly and the power creep in the MCUU just makes them another stepping stone for regular joe heroes.
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I was amazed when I first saw Eternals i celestials looked Co wicked and so godly I hope we can see more of them in the future
Symbiote God Knull revealed that he was the one who killed the Celestial whose head became Knowhere with the use of All-Black the Necrosword and used his head to create more symbiotes.
it looked like there was the face of celestial in the sky in the opening shots of quantumania
9:01 You don’t need a mind trick to make that work anymore lol
Always though the goofed with the celestials. They should only be enigmatic ultimately alien background figures that are used as perspective checks. Arishem talking is just bonkers.
1000 years from now, historians will look back on this sort of stuff much the same way we look back on Greek or Norse mythology.
Ego is not a celestial. Actualy, he is a "Boltzmann brain".
Tiamut's mcu character really didn't do justice to his comics counterpart, when he got out of earth, even galactus got afraid, who was a few universes away at the time. Also, as the celestials are here, I am pretty sure, the mcu is planning to bring in the next saga.
The collector and the grand master look to similar for it to be a coincidence, maybe they were created by the power of a celestial, or maybe they are celestial that were birthed from the same planet at the same times, explaining their similar looks, and their seemingly unknown amount of power.
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Are the infinity stones very tiny portions of each celestials powers? Such as Tiamut being the efficient traveler and creating the space stone. Or Arishem judging planets and shaping them to his reality and creating the reality stone? The celestials seem to also have similar colors to the stones.
In comics the first symbiote null decapitated a Celestial and there is a theory that the Celestial head in guardians of the galaxy is the one killed by null. So it is believed that one day we will see null in the mcu
I wonder if the celestial the one above all will show up at some point. And they did Tiamut dirty.
NO *The*
the collector is not a celestial - they are elders of the universe. Neither is the grandmaster or the The Champion of the Universe. There are others - The Runner, The Gardener, The Contemplator, The Possessor, etc. The Marvel Universe's ancient beings have been around since their big bang - and even before it. There are beings so old they’ve seen not only the extinction of their own species but also the rise and fall of countless alien civilizations.
I think knowhere is the head left over from the celestial that knull decapitated, the existence of venom means knull is canon because otherwise he wouldn’t exist so I think that’s the celestial that was used to make the all dark
The celestial seem cool I just hate how boring the externals movies was. I kept falling asleep whenever they wasn’t shown. The celestial was the best part.
This man does star wars AND marvel
wonder why there wasn’t an emergence on xandar
I don’t think all planets have celestial seeds inside them
The judge is also the villain in the guardians of the galaxy cosmic rewind ride
The Celestial’s powers are very familiar like the Infinity Stones.
I believe the Celestial Eson The Searcher is the one seen with the power stone destroying an entire planet.
I don't know, the celestials sounds like an all powerful recycling firm to me
Idk why they’d change their lore, the comic book versions were rather interesting when used sparingly.
What if MCU makes a quick story of celestials like for at least 30 min just to cover plot holes
It made sense back then but if the comics was written in this era, the celestials are a laughing stock.
Can u imagine advance beings have one main aspect of function?
The calculator
The judge
The whatever
What kind of beings has one function and aspect?
The calculator celestial is a joke today but back then calculators were considered tech so I can understand why they calculator celestial back then but now it’s a joke
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Eternals 2, is a must.
In the guardians of the galaxy ride at Walt Disney world, a celestial is seen attempting to “erase an error in the world” is that a cannon celestial and does he have a name or is he just for the ride
Its hinted that its Quills mother who has a connection with celestials thats why Quill was the only one thus far to be compatible with the celestials. Ego is just egotistical
Don't we first see Erishem in guardians of the galaxy where he uses the power stone? Or whichever movie we see him use it to wipe out a crowd of people?
No, that was Eson the Searcher
Arishem
"GALACTUS"
Aren’t the infinity stones a celestial that got split into 7 gems (in the main universe) and the 7th stone being the ego stone and if they are brought together the celestial will be brought back
Ps if this is correct then the celestial using the power stone was using a part of the (for the lack of a better word) corpse as a tool which would be pretty morbid
Celestials are just there to look cool in the movies
Nowhere is not a planet. It's the severed head of a dead celestial. This has been explained quite plainly.
There are also 3 celestial in the most recent Thor movie
If I’m not mistaken Nowhere’s head was cut off by Knull the symbiot God
Ur right
Aerishem obviously judged earth at least once before in the mcu when he deemed it worthy of a celestial seed.
Elders of the universe are not celestials, I am glad you state this but they are separate entities
first celestial was shown on "guardians of the galaxy vol 1" collector scene ;)