I personally wouldn't want to go cheap but I believe in best bang for your buck. Rather it be a cheap or expensive. I would want to know that everything is reliable and I would always look into reviews. Since I'm still currently under warranty unfortunately, I have to deal with Ford Performance to keep my warranty in tact. I currently have the power pack 3 on my GT and I'm ready to upgrade to the power pack 3 which in my opinion isn't cheap at all because the only difference is getting a GT350 intake manifold and a calibration tune that increases the rev limiter from 7350 to 7500. I want to do the E85 tune so bad and eventually go with a super charger. I currently just have a Corsa Extreme Catback exhaust, GT350 throttle 87 mm throttle body with adaper plate, and a GT350 cold air intake 🥺 I'm better than stock but I'm far from what I really want.
Bravo! 👏 I agree completely. Instead of asking what is cheapest, people should ask what is "most effective". Your quote of "you gotta pay to play" is a universal truth.👍
Your comment on millennial's is very accurate. Their mindset is even seen in their videos. Where as you give a lot of content, they will fill up the video with getting up in the morning, eating a danish, driving around, keeping it real with their peeps, and technical content is lacking.😑
This is right to the point and very accurate. Don't forget the trashy music that's in those videos too. The moment I see that happening in a car video I immediately watch something else.
Yeah totally! They go out, they're not mechanically inclined so they go to a shop or a dealer and say "sell me a racecar". They buy, not build. And it's almost always an auto car too! Totally ridiculous. Like, hey lazy millennials, you know back in my day we used to build race cars. They take their fruity colored store bought race car to a track, put their foot to the ground and drive home to their parents house afterwards. And don't even get me started on the fucking avocado toast.
He is right about the parts, I did my coyote swap back in 2012 and a lot of the newer nicer stuff wasn't avalible, so I went with what existed at the time. Five years later I have changed the k member and the trans cross member. I got my 96 mystic cobra off craigslist for 9500 and did the swap. I did all the work myself minus the tuning and the welding. I love my car it goes low elevens and I drive it to work everyday. And I don't have a 750 dollar payment everyday.
EXACTLY!!!! 1000%, I also was happy with the 11's, now with the new GT A10 the Steeda closed air intake and the new tune I'll be getting from you guys in the Spring, I'll be happy in the 11's for a short bit then moving to boost when I'm ready. Doing what I can when I can.
Good video , that's why I kept my fox body for racing or street racing . My 2015 is my cruiser , and I can drive the car anywhere . If someone wants to play , I go home and pickup the 91 . I do have plans for my 15 , with a VMP stage 2 Blower , cat back exhaust , and a tune . There is always someone faster !!!!
Rob Waters same. Got a Fox Chassis Lincoln Mark VII that I intend on beating into the Earth while I daily and enjoy my 11 GT. Might not be as new as the S550 but I like it 🤷♂️
Dray day , back in the day you could street race our fox body all night , and if the cops come they would tell you to leave. Do you remember when people put C4 trans in their car , drove it daily ??
Hey Yolo, please do a video explaining the difference between cam lockouts, phasers, and limiters, if there is a difference at all. Also, why do the bigger cams need lockouts. It’s not like the DOHC engines have valve float at high rpm. Or am I wrong? One more thing. Please explain how the performance of bigger cams with lockouts changes. I know that if you lock stock cams, the power under the curve is going to suffer. But would bigger cams overcome that so there’s no downside? Obviously, that’s a pretty generic question because a bigger cam could mean 264 vs 263, and whether or not the application is forced induction. Honestly, I’m thinking more in terms of N/A. Thanks!
Amen. I have a 2017 S550 pp auto Got it looking how I want. Upgraded suspension, cold air intake, ram air hood, off road h pipe and axle backs. Now I'm saving for a supercharger and all the parts I need to upgrade along with it. Kenne Bell is what I'm thinking at the moment. By the time I have saved up enough, the factory warranty will be out too. Happy days. It's still on stock wheels because I'm not going to buy cheap, lose money when I resell and buy the ones I want. Just save up for the good sh*t and then pull the trigger.
This is really good video. I know I'm late, but you nailed it. Especially in regards to having patience during your build. Fortunately and unfortunately in California most mods aren't even CARB Certified anyway so I wouldn't even be tempted to put cheap parts on my vehicle, but when I did purchase a new part it was almost annually similar to you H-Pipe, Axel Back, and Tune (Don't tell California about the tune :P). Doubt if I'll run 11s with that though. lol I had to be patient and do research to protect my car as much as I can. I'd rather have a stock car than be carless. Sad many don't understand that.
I learned to drive on Pinto's. Tube frames. Straight exhausts. 2 liters. And I LEARNED WELL. THEN I bought a 69 Malibu built 396 and tore it up having a ball!! Then the story continued till now; from 1970 to now. Those tube framed Pinto's were really a great start, for me.
You hit the nail right on the head. I've built some badass cars for customers (usually older dudes that who used to work on cars but now a days can't figure out all this computer crap) that's a different story lol. But I always tell them that you get out what you put in and that always rings true. So when I get some young kid that comes in wanting me to put on his trash intake and headers that he got off ebay and he doesn't get the power he was expecting. Even after he installed his spectre cold air intake. That he didn't even put a box on. And the hole for the maf is to big so it sucks in more hot air. Starts bitching I always tell them you remember that part when I told you you get out what you put in. Well yeah this definitely applies. I say the same thing to you want to build a badass car on the cheap go old-school. But a lot of these kids are scared to get their hands dirty.
Great advice for the kids man as well as myself. Be patient enjoy what you got and slowly and steadily build you car with quality parts. Good advice bro 👍🏽
I’m a millennial with an auto 16 gt, and fit all the criteria you described in the video. However, I do not buy cheap and shitty parts to save money, rather I have a setup that is mostly parts all recommended by you, for my application. I do not blindly buy parts, I research them first. But frankly, I agree with you. Most individuals my age are precisely how you described and do not under the pay to play aspect of Racing or importance of product research. This is something I’ve noted before, and wish more people’s outlook would change on this subject
If it's not a show car and you are just trying to go faster, you don't need to buy the best. Lots of quality products in the middle. Take headers for example, you can spend $1500 on a set of KOOKS or American Racing headers, or you can spend $500-700 on a set of Pacesetter ceramic coated, that last just as long and make the same power. Now that leaves $700+ to get a cold air intake or cat back or a good custom tuner. Do your home work before buying stuff, and then look for deals and coupon codes, free shipping etc to save even more money.
I had a 2012 mustang gt. I had between 400-430 whp. Although I did a full suspension build. 6 speed auto, 4.10 gears, with the full bolt ons. Most fun to drive car I have ever owned. I was in a good power range. Usable power, that transferred to a good reliable fun to drive car. It was awesome in the mountains of Colorado. Didn’t need more power. As more power would of taken away from what I wanted, and used it for.
Speaking of cheap. Is it worth it to buy a VMP tune for my stock 17 GT or should I spend the $700 and go with the Ford Stage 2 power pack? I already have an SCT x4 but I don't see many videos or forum posts on tune only. I'm looking at $150 vs $700 .
Spot on, im only 20 and bought a 1988 mustang gt 3 years ago and have a 1998 v6 for my daily. Fox is a 12 sec car on street tires with just heads/intake, fun hanging with my buddys at the track that are in deep payments with 11 up coyotes in my 30 year old fox
Hahahha, I swear I know the post on Facebook he seen about headers to make this video. LoL But besides that, one of your best videos that makes 100% sense, I'm in a Shelby, a 2012 took me forever to pay it off, I'm finally getting some mods and slowly getting quicker, but like you said, NOT GOING to try to be even close to fastest. Just wanted fun and quicker
I had a 94 Cobra I bought for $10k, 42k miles super clean and stock. For years I dreamed about modifying it to be like a newer mustang, 6 speed, 400 horsepower, bigger brakes, better everything. So glad I didn't. at 96k miles I ended up trading it in for $9000 for a 2013 GT premium with 24k miles exact color I wanted brembo package with all the factory scoops and even tasteful mods from the previous owner like roush axleback, jlt oil separator, hood struts, barton shifter and K&N drop in filter. The car was $26k so after the 9k plus down payment I paid $11k and took a loan for the $15k. It would have costed me soooo much money to upgrade every category of parts on my 94 to be as good or better than the new car plus all the extra luxuries like LED lights heated seats and mirrors etc, hell the car even looks better and lower mileage. I guess what I am trying to say is, dumping gobs of money into an old mustang for racing is fine, but if you daily drive it, you have to factor in the comfort, look, etc of a car you plan on living with everyday. Be smart with your money, because modding that old car while still having plans to upgrade to a new one is going to be harder and more wasteful than just saving it towards the new one.
I bit the bullet and went upside on my 17 base gt pp. But I got it on my own with no Co signer lol. But a roush charger is all the fun I needed. I just need a catch can and short throw and I'll be set for awhile.
Very true Alex, I bought a 2005 Mustang 5 years ago, hold on I know its a 3 valve, I built it for boost slapped a kenne bell blower on it, full suspension, e85 and I'm running low low 11's at 132 mph in the 1/4. I need some drive mod and it'll be a high 10 second car. I'm a millennial but i followed your mindset and got something older and built it.
Totally agree man. I am a ford truck and mustang fan. I was smoking trucks that had 5.3 and 6.0 LS with my 93 f-150 4.9L I-6. There is nothing in the half ton that can beat the 300ci carrying 100lbs on the bed. No Ls nor the stupid srt10 viper ram crap
This is so true, even more so on the import side of things. I saved quite a while to get my Header from Holley on my FRS, yet I've been put on blast by alot of people for ''overpaying'' for my header. Guess who still have a header that didn't cracked or bind unlike those cheap mofos ?
I got the '18 base and plan to save up slowly. Like you said, it'll probably take me a few years to run low 11's. The car is great now, but I'm not even a great driver anyways! Take it nice and easy!
There is a lot of truth to this, which is why I'm into Gen 1 SBC. You have to establish what your goals are, going fast vs nav late model (non squeaky) interior etc. while being sane (ish) about what your budget is. I'd rather have speed parts than a late model vehicle. The two other thoughts I'll give is sweat equity can go a long way if you're smart in the case of an older car and disciplined yet careful buying also make a big difference; Cheap and high value are two different things entirely.
Excellent advice! I personally thinks its alot more fun to gap people in their brand new coyote's with and old school setup! Lol! Of course now I'm an old fucker who is just content with my 392 challenger because it's big and comfortable and will get out of it own way but by no means is it like my cars back in my heyday!:)
I completely agree. People don’t understand how finance works and then when they mess themselves up with payments, they start complaining about their car breaking, not being as fast as it could be, and just not being what they want. Either save longer and only buy when you can legitimately afford it or just buy something you can actually afford and then you can budget for the good shit
LMAO VATO ZONE. I ALWAYS say that, hahahaha. That part alone deserved a like. I'm the same way, I was the cheap broke dick, learned the hard way after car ran like shit and I broke it. Now I've changed up and only buy proven stuff. I have a 15' S550, I kept it stock for months and just learned the car. Then I did full Corsa Headers, X-Pipe-Axleback exhaust set up and a pro-tune. I absolutely love the car, it doesn't that much power but it's good for 11's and its damn fun. I'll probably stay this way for a while.
Love your videos and personality sir have a question tho for forced induction I know the two companies you deal with but I work at "vatozone" and was looking at reviews of the Edelbrock e force kit etc have you ever used or , or customers and any feed back my discount is a reason to a small reason to move on it
Alejandro what do you think of bama. I'm asking you because the internet is all over the place as usual. I had them tune a 03 mach 1 that has been cammed, jlt, 03 cobra injectors, long tubes, no cats. Heads we're shaved .018 as well. There tune on my car seems to be decent at low to mid range then falls off after 6000. I had the cams dialed in at 113 degrees and was told that should be ideal for 7000 rpm shifts yet the car seems to taper off big time past 6500. Thoughs and solutions please? And I have sent them three datalogs with no luck.
Hey Alex can you do a video on dual IAT sensors for boosted applications? I have an air-to-air intercooler for my centri that doesn't seem to be doing enough cooling. '14 GT.
Ur freakin hilarious lol. Hey mom lol. I put mods on and then It took me 2 years to afford better tires with my giant car payment. I went without being able to put all the power down to the pavement. You gotta pay to play. Its an expensive hobby. And it is better to wait than to go cheap. Great vid again man.
Hey Alex I have a 2013 auto mustang 5.0 and ever since i went cobra jet intake with throttle body and Ford performance could air the car sometimes stalls at low speeds. Not at idle but when coming to a stop light. I had a monoblade it did it but then I went twin 65mm it still does it sometimes. I had a bama tune and now it is HP tuned. I live in Utah at almost 5,000 ft. I went back home to Cali and it for a month the car seemed great but then my water pump went out and the stalling came back. Maybe you have come across this let me know? The car has 68,000 miles. I think it is a crankshaft sensor but I've heard the install is a pain.
This millinial bought his own shit without help from mommy and daddy. Shits paid and I work my ass off doing it. But I do agree with what you say. I see a lot of people wanting to go cheep. Not worth it.
Sooooo True got like 11K in my 15 gt PP and damn it do i feel like its slow. Odds and ends add up quickly. been chasing a 1/4 mile time and tired of spending the money. Thinking about getting a cheap car and going autocross.
The question you should asked yourself when u see a newer mustang running good times is - Do I want a new car? do I want a runner? If u want the new car and have no problem with car payments, the cheapest thing you can do is the driver mod. If you want the runner, you can get into something reasonably quick, reliable, and still look good for under 10k. How far under 10k depends on where u looking, a little luck and having the cash at the right time.
Some of the local kids out here have the same mentality. I met this military kid today with a new 2017 GT. Want to do all these mods and looking to buy stuff on the cheap. Well, you kind of spent the wad on the new model and are now stuck with the payments. Could have bought a 2013-2014 for around mid 20k, add 10k in mods and be way above in performance what your base model 2017 GT is. Been around this car thing from when the Fox platform was starting to become a thing. Even back then, the kind of stuff people were doing on the cheap was comical if anything. Bottom line I learned is do NOT USE CHEAP CRAP. Back then, MAC off roads were the thing to get. Why, because CHEAP. Then one year later it's a rusted out POS. Plan a little bit on what you want to get out of your car. Have a vision and work towards it. You'll be much happier with the end result and not left with a bunch of unwanted cheap parts left over that you'll lose your butt on trying to get rid of. Great video Alex. Vatozone, LMFAO!!!!
Yeah, plus if you are daily driving the car that you are trying to use at the track, when it inevitably breaks down, you likely have no transportation as you've spent it all on that vehicle.
Hey alex, I live up north where it snows, and i wanted to know your opinion on tires. I still have the pirelli with about 6k miles on them, and the thread still looks good.
Alex i have a 08 shelby gt500 with alots of bolt ons and built block stock heads I bought it at the action and is running e85 but i dont know what tunes it has I bought it with a messed up block but is running now but don’t know how how to brake in the engine before I push it,it seems to be running ok
What track did you used to run at in your first mustangs. I started with a 88 notch then got a 87gt. I have been to New England Dragway and Lebanon. Just wondering where you used to go.
My mom co-sign my 98 gt Mustang....lol. My payment was $450 a month. That’s was back in 1999. But the price was cheap then. The price has gone up. I bought a brand new 2007 gt premium that’s was 32k, I just bought a 2017 gt cs premium at 44k. I also had a 89 gt. And parts for that were so cheap compared to now. I could get upper lower intake, heads and cam for 1300-2000k. Some headers for the S550 are 2k alone.
Had my car almost 2 years, pmas, DW95s, kooks long tubes, mantic clutch, Lund E85R tune. Slow going build, but i don't fuck with cheap shit. VMP gen3r coming next, then built motor.
Hey Alex I have a question, I drive a 2016 F150 with a Roush supercharger. I was wondering if you can suggest any ideas to make more power out of the truck reliably; say maybe cams, full exhaust or swapping pulleys. Any info would be appreciated thanks!
Not sure why you called out AirAid on their intake. I went 96 mph in the 1/8th in my old 5.0 when it was x pipe/AirAid/Lund tune. Worked pretty well for me, not sure what anyone else did wrong.
Alex, would like to get a paxton 2200 centri supercharger on my 2016 mustang gt, thinking about running 3.6" pulley on 93 tune, could u give me more suggestions on this? what is the most reliable boost i can run on the stock coyote engine? do i need to upgrade OPG and crank sprocket or the stock is fine? i am currently running ported 18 manifold, ARH catted header with h pipe, roush axle back, is it necessary to change my current catback setup to full 3" catback for the benefit of boost? please advise. thanks
Would have loved to Coyote swap my 93 notch...but the hp to dollar ratio pushed me towards a turbo LS. Literally built a 5.3 and boosted it for the price of admission into the Coyote club.
I saved 10,000 bought a used low mile 13gt with a $235 a month payment. Two years later it has a MPR built bottom end VMP stage 3 making 650rwhp. No it's not the new S550 but it's a lot of fun and a cheap monthly payment that allows me to still be able to save money.
Smart way to go cheap is to buy used quality parts. Yes you have to wait but it's worth it. I bought some JBA long tube headers with X pipe and stainless over axle pipes for $400. Now I'll heat wrap them and paint the heat wrap for added protection from water. Plus it'll keep the exhaust more consistent all the way back.
Preach it brotha! Mofos talking shit online calling us dumbasses for spending $1400 on headers when they got ebay headers for $300 that do the same shit. These companies spend big money on research and development on there products to squeeze every bit of performance out of it. And the welds holds up and the materials are top notch. If ya can't pay then don't play.
What makes the fox body a better platform than the sn-95? If we're considering 90s cars what are the best platforms during that era? Vette, Camaro, 300Z, 3000GT...? I'd rather just stick with domestic.
Alex makes good points, but there’s a difference between frugal and cheap. Buying used parts and lower priced parts can get you the hp for less. Lower priced isn’t eBay knock off headers, I mean like BBK headers instead of stainless works stuff.
02 Mustang GT with stage 2 cams, long tube headers, CAI, gears, pullies, aluminum drive shaft, 93 tune, off road exhaust, no induction... High 11's 1/4 mile... Who says the new edge can't be fast!
Sandor Alex Fazekas Yeah and a fuckload CHEAPER than coyote lol. For what it cost to do a coyote swap on my 96 I could have a turbo 2v makin 800+hp lol
Sandor Alex Fazekas Thanks its got a off-r x pipe k&n cold air intake, 3.73 gears, performace automatic shift kit. Fixin to do a pi swap, 3500 stall, nitrous cams, edelbrock intake, and a 150 shot. Hoping to run 11s 😎
So much truth to this. Wish I had heard this when I was younger! On another note....you mention stainless power headers lol...are they that bad!? If so I need to cancel my order!
thumbs up for vatozone
The old saying - fast, reliable, cheap. Pick 2.
Lol people don't understand that cheap and reliable is keeping it stock
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Well, if you don't compete as a serious hobby, keeping a GT stock is the best way to stay relatively cheap, very reliable, and more than fast enough.
I personally wouldn't want to go cheap but I believe in best bang for your buck. Rather it be a cheap or expensive. I would want to know that everything is reliable and I would always look into reviews. Since I'm still currently under warranty unfortunately, I have to deal with Ford Performance to keep my warranty in tact. I currently have the power pack 3 on my GT and I'm ready to upgrade to the power pack 3 which in my opinion isn't cheap at all because the only difference is getting a GT350 intake manifold and a calibration tune that increases the rev limiter from 7350 to 7500.
I want to do the E85 tune so bad and eventually go with a super charger. I currently just have a Corsa Extreme Catback exhaust, GT350 throttle 87 mm throttle body with adaper plate, and a GT350 cold air intake 🥺
I'm better than stock but I'm far from what I really want.
The only false info in this video is AutoZone does NOT give OT 😂😂 unless someone calls off and they make u stay
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True that
My uncle always preached this to me, "Never time to do it right, but always time to do it over." Your video's are timeless.
Bravo! 👏 I agree completely. Instead of asking what is cheapest, people should ask what is "most effective". Your quote of "you gotta pay to play" is a universal truth.👍
Your comment on millennial's is very accurate. Their mindset is even seen in their videos. Where as you give a lot of content, they will fill up the video with getting up in the morning, eating a danish, driving around, keeping it real with their peeps, and technical content is lacking.😑
This is right to the point and very accurate. Don't forget the trashy music that's in those videos too. The moment I see that happening in a car video I immediately watch something else.
That's probably why I hate those videos so much.
ahem TJ Hunt haha
Yeah totally! They go out, they're not mechanically inclined so they go to a shop or a dealer and say "sell me a racecar". They buy, not build. And it's almost always an auto car too! Totally ridiculous. Like, hey lazy millennials, you know back in my day we used to build race cars. They take their fruity colored store bought race car to a track, put their foot to the ground and drive home to their parents house afterwards. And don't even get me started on the fucking avocado toast.
You Sir, win the Internet this week !!
You know you're Texan when you say go all the way down to the valley...
Trevor Wray first thing I thought of when he said the “valley” was Texas lol
That's why I shop on Craigslist & work on my own Notch, cause I can't afford all the new stuff or the labor. Who else is with me?
He is right about the parts, I did my coyote swap back in 2012 and a lot of the newer nicer stuff wasn't avalible, so I went with what existed at the time. Five years later I have changed the k member and the trans cross member. I got my 96 mystic cobra off craigslist for 9500 and did the swap. I did all the work myself minus the tuning and the welding. I love my car it goes low elevens and I drive it to work everyday. And I don't have a 750 dollar payment everyday.
EXACTLY!!!! 1000%, I also was happy with the 11's, now with the new GT A10 the Steeda closed air intake and the new tune I'll be getting from you guys in the Spring, I'll be happy in the 11's for a short bit then moving to boost when I'm ready. Doing what I can when I can.
Good video , that's why I kept my fox body for racing or street racing . My 2015 is my cruiser , and I can drive the car anywhere . If someone wants to play , I go home and pickup the 91 . I do have plans for my 15 , with a VMP stage 2 Blower , cat back
exhaust , and a tune . There is always someone faster !!!!
Rob Waters same. Got a Fox Chassis Lincoln Mark VII that I intend on beating into the Earth while I daily and enjoy my 11 GT. Might not be as new as the S550 but I like it 🤷♂️
That's the way you do it , instead of breaking your new gt . I been there where I broke t-5 trans and that was my daily vehicle back in the day !!!
Rob Waters oh yeah memories. Busting 2nd gear and 1st to 3rd gear driving until you could break it down and fix it 😂
Dray day , back in the day you could street race our fox body all night , and if the cops come they would tell you to leave. Do you remember when people put C4 trans in their car , drove it daily ??
Rob Waters with a 2500 stall and 4.10 LOL. I liked the 5 speed myself, even though the 2nd gear synchronizer was as weak as 1 ply tissue paper😂
BUT BUT BUT BUT I'VE BEEN RUNNING MY $200 EBAY HEADERS 5 MINUTES WITH NO ISSUES
Telling it like it is. that's why you got my respect bro. I've said it once and I'll say it again.. YOU DA MAN!!!
Great video! Good to see a little old school yolo peaking out while still sharing very useful insight.
Mom!!! I need a supercharger. Yes, I'm gonna work extra hours at vatozone.
well said, i felt like i need a mexican uncle like you to educate me about cars
Hey Yolo, please do a video explaining the difference between cam lockouts, phasers, and limiters, if there is a difference at all. Also, why do the bigger cams need lockouts. It’s not like the DOHC engines have valve float at high rpm. Or am I wrong? One more thing. Please explain how the performance of bigger cams with lockouts changes. I know that if you lock stock cams, the power under the curve is going to suffer. But would bigger cams overcome that so there’s no downside? Obviously, that’s a pretty generic question because a bigger cam could mean 264 vs 263, and whether or not the application is forced induction. Honestly, I’m thinking more in terms of N/A. Thanks!
This is were that saying comes in, "you get what you pay for"
Amen. I have a 2017 S550 pp auto Got it looking how I want. Upgraded suspension, cold air intake, ram air hood, off road h pipe and axle backs.
Now I'm saving for a supercharger and all the parts I need to upgrade along with it. Kenne Bell is what I'm thinking at the moment. By the time I have saved up enough, the factory warranty will be out too. Happy days.
It's still on stock wheels because I'm not going to buy cheap, lose money when I resell and buy the ones I want.
Just save up for the good sh*t and then pull the trigger.
This is really good video. I know I'm late, but you nailed it. Especially in regards to having patience during your build. Fortunately and unfortunately in California most mods aren't even CARB Certified anyway so I wouldn't even be tempted to put cheap parts on my vehicle, but when I did purchase a new part it was almost annually similar to you H-Pipe, Axel Back, and Tune (Don't tell California about the tune :P). Doubt if I'll run 11s with that though. lol I had to be patient and do research to protect my car as much as I can. I'd rather have a stock car than be carless. Sad many don't understand that.
I learned to drive on Pinto's. Tube frames. Straight exhausts. 2 liters. And I LEARNED WELL. THEN I bought a 69 Malibu built 396 and tore it up having a ball!! Then the story continued till now; from 1970 to now. Those tube framed Pinto's were really a great start, for me.
The man speaks truth
You hit the nail right on the head. I've built some badass cars for customers (usually older dudes that who used to work on cars but now a days can't figure out all this computer crap) that's a different story lol. But I always tell them that you get out what you put in and that always rings true. So when I get some young kid that comes in wanting me to put on his trash intake and headers that he got off ebay and he doesn't get the power he was expecting. Even after he installed his spectre cold air intake. That he didn't even put a box on. And the hole for the maf is to big so it sucks in more hot air. Starts bitching I always tell them you remember that part when I told you you get out what you put in. Well yeah this definitely applies. I say the same thing to you want to build a badass car on the cheap go old-school. But a lot of these kids are scared to get their hands dirty.
Great advice for the kids man as well as myself. Be patient enjoy what you got and slowly and steadily build you car with quality parts.
Good advice bro 👍🏽
I’m a millennial with an auto 16 gt, and fit all the criteria you described in the video. However, I do not buy cheap and shitty parts to save money, rather I have a setup that is mostly parts all recommended by you, for my application. I do not blindly buy parts, I research them first. But frankly, I agree with you. Most individuals my age are precisely how you described and do not under the pay to play aspect of Racing or importance of product research. This is something I’ve noted before, and wish more people’s outlook would change on this subject
If it's not a show car and you are just trying to go faster, you don't need to buy the best. Lots of quality products in the middle. Take headers for example, you can spend $1500 on a set of KOOKS or American Racing headers, or you can spend $500-700 on a set of Pacesetter ceramic coated, that last just as long and make the same power. Now that leaves $700+ to get a cold air intake or cat back or a good custom tuner. Do your home work before buying stuff, and then look for deals and coupon codes, free shipping etc to save even more money.
what about bbk? i was thinking getting their ceramic coated headers and catted x. its either them or mbrp/kooks
True dat Alex! Im happy with my 17 for now with a good cat back & cold air 🤘
Preach my dude!!! Couldn't possibly agree more! Felt like listening to myself speak lol!
I had a 2012 mustang gt. I had between 400-430 whp. Although I did a full suspension build. 6 speed auto, 4.10 gears, with the full bolt ons. Most fun to drive car I have ever owned. I was in a good power range. Usable power, that transferred to a good reliable fun to drive car. It was awesome in the mountains of Colorado. Didn’t need more power. As more power would of taken away from what I wanted, and used it for.
Speaking of cheap. Is it worth it to buy a VMP tune for my stock 17 GT or should I spend the $700 and go with the Ford Stage 2 power pack? I already have an SCT x4 but I don't see many videos or forum posts on tune only. I'm looking at $150 vs $700 .
Spot on, im only 20 and bought a 1988 mustang gt 3 years ago and have a 1998 v6 for my daily. Fox is a 12 sec car on street tires with just heads/intake, fun hanging with my buddys at the track that are in deep payments with 11 up coyotes in my 30 year old fox
Blake Morse I bet you keep up with alot of modern shit ! I'm looking at buying a fox but really motivated to build a 331 stroker in a fox
Hahahha, I swear I know the post on Facebook he seen about headers to make this video. LoL
But besides that, one of your best videos that makes 100% sense, I'm in a Shelby, a 2012 took me forever to pay it off, I'm finally getting some mods and slowly getting quicker, but like you said, NOT GOING to try to be even close to fastest. Just wanted fun and quicker
I had a 94 Cobra I bought for $10k, 42k miles super clean and stock. For years I dreamed about modifying it to be like a newer mustang, 6 speed, 400 horsepower, bigger brakes, better everything. So glad I didn't. at 96k miles I ended up trading it in for $9000 for a 2013 GT premium with 24k miles exact color I wanted brembo package with all the factory scoops and even tasteful mods from the previous owner like roush axleback, jlt oil separator, hood struts, barton shifter and K&N drop in filter. The car was $26k so after the 9k plus down payment I paid $11k and took a loan for the $15k. It would have costed me soooo much money to upgrade every category of parts on my 94 to be as good or better than the new car plus all the extra luxuries like LED lights heated seats and mirrors etc, hell the car even looks better and lower mileage. I guess what I am trying to say is, dumping gobs of money into an old mustang for racing is fine, but if you daily drive it, you have to factor in the comfort, look, etc of a car you plan on living with everyday. Be smart with your money, because modding that old car while still having plans to upgrade to a new one is going to be harder and more wasteful than just saving it towards the new one.
I was gonna buy the JLT intake now I am for sure going PMass!
This is why I watch you. Besides the millenial part 😑 just paid my 14gt off. Ready for fluid kit😁
I was always told that how fast you want to go, depends on how much MONEY you have to spend
I bit the bullet and went upside on my 17 base gt pp. But I got it on my own with no Co signer lol. But a roush charger is all the fun I needed. I just need a catch can and short throw and I'll be set for awhile.
Very true Alex, I bought a 2005 Mustang 5 years ago, hold on I know its a 3 valve, I built it for boost slapped a kenne bell blower on it, full suspension, e85 and I'm running low low 11's at 132 mph in the 1/4. I need some drive mod and it'll be a high 10 second car. I'm a millennial but i followed your mindset and got something older and built it.
Totally agree man. I am a ford truck and mustang fan. I was smoking trucks that had 5.3 and 6.0 LS with my 93 f-150 4.9L I-6. There is nothing in the half ton that can beat the 300ci carrying 100lbs on the bed. No Ls nor the stupid srt10 viper ram crap
s550 owner here, what you think of mbrp long tubes and cat back with stock cai and a vmp tune for first mods?
This is so true, even more so on the import side of things. I saved quite a while to get my Header from Holley on my FRS, yet I've been put on blast by alot of people for ''overpaying'' for my header.
Guess who still have a header that didn't cracked or bind unlike those cheap mofos ?
I got the '18 base and plan to save up slowly. Like you said, it'll probably take me a few years to run low 11's. The car is great now, but I'm not even a great driver anyways! Take it nice and easy!
Still saving up for my sick throttle body spacer.
This made so much sense. Great video
There is a lot of truth to this, which is why I'm into Gen 1 SBC. You have to establish what your goals are, going fast vs nav late model (non squeaky) interior etc. while being sane (ish) about what your budget is. I'd rather have speed parts than a late model vehicle. The two other thoughts I'll give is sweat equity can go a long way if you're smart in the case of an older car and disciplined yet careful buying also make a big difference; Cheap and high value are two different things entirely.
You Speak Nothing But The truth. I see it all the time At the speedshop I work at. Most customers Want to go cheap and their Cars run like shit.
this is great..so many s550 guys praise the speed daddy headers...lol
Excellent advice! I personally thinks its alot more fun to gap people in their brand new coyote's with and old school setup! Lol! Of course now I'm an old fucker who is just content with my 392 challenger because it's big and comfortable and will get out of it own way but by no means is it like my cars back in my heyday!:)
A lot of truth in your content. Best advice on the subject
I completely agree. People don’t understand how finance works and then when they mess themselves up with payments, they start complaining about their car breaking, not being as fast as it could be, and just not being what they want. Either save longer and only buy when you can legitimately afford it or just buy something you can actually afford and then you can budget for the good shit
I spent 10,000 in the past year on my 2016 gt. I didn't go cheap. Alex is my tuner and I got what he told me and I have no regrets.
And Nickel's car roll the fuck out for an NA car.
Ha can also drive as well.
I'm 19 and my parents bought me a 15' Gt Premium lmao. Since I don't have a car payment, I can save up for quality parts
LMAO VATO ZONE.
I ALWAYS say that, hahahaha. That part alone deserved a like.
I'm the same way, I was the cheap broke dick, learned the hard way after car ran like shit and I broke it. Now I've changed up and only buy proven stuff. I have a 15' S550, I kept it stock for months and just learned the car. Then I did full Corsa Headers, X-Pipe-Axleback exhaust set up and a pro-tune. I absolutely love the car, it doesn't that much power but it's good for 11's and its damn fun. I'll probably stay this way for a while.
Love your videos and personality sir have a question tho for forced induction I know the two companies you deal with but I work at "vatozone" and was looking at reviews of the Edelbrock e force kit etc have you ever used or , or customers and any feed back my discount is a reason to a small reason to move on it
Alejandro what do you think of bama. I'm asking you because the internet is all over the place as usual. I had them tune a 03 mach 1 that has been cammed, jlt, 03 cobra injectors, long tubes, no cats. Heads we're shaved .018 as well. There tune on my car seems to be decent at low to mid range then falls off after 6000. I had the cams dialed in at 113 degrees and was told that should be ideal for 7000 rpm shifts yet the car seems to taper off big time past 6500. Thoughs and solutions please? And I have sent them three datalogs with no luck.
Hey Alex can you do a video on dual IAT sensors for boosted applications? I have an air-to-air intercooler for my centri that doesn't seem to be doing enough cooling. '14 GT.
Ur freakin hilarious lol. Hey mom lol. I put mods on and then It took me 2 years to afford better tires with my giant car payment. I went without being able to put all the power down to the pavement. You gotta pay to play. Its an expensive hobby. And it is better to wait than to go cheap. Great vid again man.
Hey Alex I have a 2013 auto mustang 5.0 and ever since i went cobra jet intake with throttle body and Ford performance could air the car sometimes stalls at low speeds. Not at idle but when coming to a stop light. I had a monoblade it did it but then I went twin 65mm it still does it sometimes. I had a bama tune and now it is HP tuned. I live in Utah at almost 5,000 ft. I went back home to Cali and it for a month the car seemed great but then my water pump went out and the stalling came back. Maybe you have come across this let me know? The car has 68,000 miles. I think it is a crankshaft sensor but I've heard the install is a pain.
Hey maaaaaa!!! I need u to sign for my mustang! 😂
One of my favorite videos you’ve done lol
This millinial bought his own shit without help from mommy and daddy. Shits paid and I work my ass off doing it. But I do agree with what you say. I see a lot of people wanting to go cheep. Not worth it.
sure ya did
Sooooo True got like 11K in my 15 gt PP and damn it do i feel like its slow. Odds and ends add up quickly. been chasing a 1/4 mile time and tired of spending the money. Thinking about getting a cheap car and going autocross.
What do you think about the Roush superchargers? How do they compare to your VMP superchargers?
I learned a lot and decided to stay slow but have fun...different type of car but same point.
The question you should asked yourself when u see a newer mustang running good times is -
Do I want a new car?
do I want a runner?
If u want the new car and have no problem with car payments, the cheapest thing you can do is the driver mod.
If you want the runner, you can get into something reasonably quick, reliable, and still look good for under 10k. How far under 10k depends on where u looking, a little luck and having the cash at the right time.
Some of the local kids out here have the same mentality. I met this military kid today with a new 2017 GT. Want to do all these mods and looking to buy stuff on the cheap. Well, you kind of spent the wad on the new model and are now stuck with the payments. Could have bought a 2013-2014 for around mid 20k, add 10k in mods and be way above in performance what your base model 2017 GT is. Been around this car thing from when the Fox platform was starting to become a thing. Even back then, the kind of stuff people were doing on the cheap was comical if anything. Bottom line I learned is do NOT USE CHEAP CRAP. Back then, MAC off roads were the thing to get. Why, because CHEAP. Then one year later it's a rusted out POS. Plan a little bit on what you want to get out of your car. Have a vision and work towards it. You'll be much happier with the end result and not left with a bunch of unwanted cheap parts left over that you'll lose your butt on trying to get rid of. Great video Alex. Vatozone, LMFAO!!!!
Yeah, plus if you are daily driving the car that you are trying to use at the track, when it inevitably breaks down, you likely have no transportation as you've spent it all on that vehicle.
Definetly not a cheap hobbie i aready spent a lot money on my 16 gt so dont be a cheap ass great vid Alejandro keep it up bring yolo back
Hey alex,
I live up north where it snows, and i wanted to know your opinion on tires. I still have the pirelli with about 6k miles on them, and the thread still looks good.
Best suspension set up for my 14 coyote? Pan hard bar, upper & lower control arms, anything else needed ideally?
You’re 100% correct!👉 I wish you lived here in Washington state 👍👍👍
Alex i have a 08 shelby gt500 with alots of bolt ons and built block stock heads
I bought it at the action and is running e85 but i dont know what tunes it has I bought it with a messed up block but is running now but don’t know how how to brake in the engine before I push it,it seems to be running ok
What track did you used to run at in your first mustangs. I started with a 88 notch then got a 87gt. I have been to New England Dragway and Lebanon. Just wondering where you used to go.
My mom co-sign my 98 gt Mustang....lol. My payment was $450 a month. That’s was back in 1999. But the price was cheap then. The price has gone up. I bought a brand new 2007 gt premium that’s was 32k, I just bought a 2017 gt cs premium at 44k. I also had a 89 gt. And parts for that were so cheap compared to now. I could get upper lower intake, heads and cam for 1300-2000k. Some headers for the S550 are 2k alone.
Had my car almost 2 years, pmas, DW95s, kooks long tubes, mantic clutch, Lund E85R tune. Slow going build, but i don't fuck with cheap shit. VMP gen3r coming next, then built motor.
Hey Alex I have a question, I drive a 2016 F150 with a Roush supercharger. I was wondering if you can suggest any ideas to make more power out of the truck reliably; say maybe cams, full exhaust or swapping pulleys. Any info would be appreciated thanks!
Not sure why you called out AirAid on their intake. I went 96 mph in the 1/8th in my old 5.0 when it was x pipe/AirAid/Lund tune. Worked pretty well for me, not sure what anyone else did wrong.
Alex, would like to get a paxton 2200 centri supercharger on my 2016 mustang gt, thinking about running 3.6" pulley on 93 tune, could u give me more suggestions on this? what is the most reliable boost i can run on the stock coyote engine? do i need to upgrade OPG and crank sprocket or the stock is fine? i am currently running ported 18 manifold, ARH catted header with h pipe, roush axle back, is it necessary to change my current catback setup to full 3" catback for the benefit of boost? please advise. thanks
Would have loved to Coyote swap my 93 notch...but the hp to dollar ratio pushed me towards a turbo LS. Literally built a 5.3 and boosted it for the price of admission into the Coyote club.
He is spitting positive info some people should take notes
The great Banjo Matthews said, "speed costs money, how fast do you want to go." :-)
I saved 10,000 bought a used low mile 13gt with a $235 a month payment. Two years later it has a MPR built bottom end VMP stage 3 making 650rwhp. No it's not the new S550 but it's a lot of fun and a cheap monthly payment that allows me to still be able to save money.
Smart way to go cheap is to buy used quality parts. Yes you have to wait but it's worth it. I bought some JBA long tube headers with X pipe and stainless over axle pipes for $400. Now I'll heat wrap them and paint the heat wrap for added protection from water. Plus it'll keep the exhaust more consistent all the way back.
Preach it brotha! Mofos talking shit online calling us dumbasses for spending $1400 on headers when they got ebay headers for $300 that do the same shit. These companies spend big money on research and development on there products to squeeze every bit of performance out of it. And the welds holds up and the materials are top notch. If ya can't pay then don't play.
Lol real talk bro I'm going to do some small stuff to my 16 but I want to build a fox body
Make a vid about people low balling for parts all day on fb shit gets old dealing with them
What do you think about Texas speed headers for S550 mustangs?
Hating on the 2v!
Love the wedding crashers reference. 😉
When will you ever make a video about the 03-04 Cobra
Some wise words from Gene Berg " THE BEST ONLY CRY ONCE"
Yolo, what's your 2¢ on them On3 kits? Cheap. But a lot of guys & gals making big coyote power on them.
What makes the fox body a better platform than the sn-95? If we're considering 90s cars what are the best platforms during that era? Vette, Camaro, 300Z, 3000GT...? I'd rather just stick with domestic.
Nothing the SN-95 is a better platform just has a shit 2v engine.
Alex makes good points, but there’s a difference between frugal and cheap. Buying used parts and lower priced parts can get you the hp for less. Lower priced isn’t eBay knock off headers, I mean like BBK headers instead of stainless works stuff.
Because everyone wants to have a fast car but thy tight azz to spend the money
Buy 2011 to 2012 mustang 5.0 and buetiful
My dad told me when I got my first mustang, “speed cost money son, how fast do you wanna go?” Great video 👍🏼
02 Mustang GT with stage 2 cams, long tube headers, CAI, gears, pullies, aluminum drive shaft, 93 tune, off road exhaust, no induction... High 11's 1/4 mile... Who says the new edge can't be fast!
Sandor Alex Fazekas Yeah and a fuckload CHEAPER than coyote lol. For what it cost to do a coyote swap on my 96 I could have a turbo 2v makin 800+hp lol
Black 96GT I hear you! Live and learn but it sounds like you got a sweet ride! ☺️
Sandor Alex Fazekas Thanks its got a off-r x pipe k&n cold air intake, 3.73 gears, performace automatic shift kit. Fixin to do a pi swap, 3500 stall, nitrous cams, edelbrock intake, and a 150 shot. Hoping to run 11s 😎
Black 96GT Nice! Could even be 10's with that setup! 👍
Sandor Alex Fazekas yep hope so, its paid for so wont be too long wish me luck lol
So much truth to this. Wish I had heard this when I was younger! On another note....you mention stainless power headers lol...are they that bad!? If so I need to cancel my order!
If they are cheap (less than 1000) you got your answer
Alejandro Flores alright. Thank you for the info sir, I really appreciate it.
I like when people buy a car or bike and wanna modify it without ever really pushing it or learning it and still get burned and wonder why!! Lol
Good video and Honest advice.
Thats why i went and bought another fox recently.