being in recovery myself, watching the manipulation techniques martin sheen used deeeefinitely looked very *unfortunately* relatable-- but 480 days sober today!
Martin Sceen was very good in this role. The mother added to the abuse of her husband’s drinking by denying his problems and protecting him. She did her children wrong also.😢
She did not know what to do. Until one gets help, one becomes helpless. AA and AlAnon are a must. My mom went to AL-Anon three months before my dad quit drinking....Al A non helped her to learn how to let go and let him do whatever he was going to do. No more savior behavior and lying.
Even the few that stop drinking remain total, mean, self-absorbed, manipulative butwholes. Get away from them and don’t ever have children with them, they destroy everyones life.
My dad wasn't an alcoholic, but he treated us kids and our mum just like that, and worse. His addictions were cigarettes, lots of very sweet black tea, eating grated soap, and pornography. He was constantly psychotic. He was almost constantly angry. Something that might make him smile one day could just as easily make him melt down into an angry, violent temper tantrum the next. There was absolutely no stability in our house. Being an arrogant Dutch man born in the late 1920's, he was too proud to go see a psychiatrist. He saw it as a weakness. I suspect he had either bpd, or paranoid schizophrenia, or a severe case of bipolar. All accompanied by psychosis. I was glad when he died at 54. Though that wasn't the end of our problems, By then we all had ptsd and other mental illnesses. My three brothers each had alcohol and or substance abuse problems. One of them committed suicide 13 years ago. My youngest brother attempted suicide several times, and still has an alcohol and substance abuse problem, also an anger management problem. There have been eating disorders, and us girls have also had contemplated suicide before. Domestic abuse has a trickle down effect, and affects each subsequent generation in some way. That's why it's so important to seek help.
I know how it,s like,believe me.Same kind of dad,my 4 sisters and my brother n ofc my mum,all got PTSD..Now i,m 48,no degree,no proper job, divorced, daughter abroad with mum,on the verge of suicide several times,severe addiction with heroin.Hope u doing good...bless u !!!
That's called enabling. The mother is the Chief Enabler in this dynamic. The Chief Enabler does whatever he/she can to help the addicted person avoid the consequences for his or her behavior. Even asked a son to lie to the police.
My father was an alcoholic and had a terrible temper. My mom would do the same thing to me. She did it because I am the only girl and not the family favorite
How truly sad that it is that a family stands by, protects, the one who is in complete denial about their addictions... Yet I get this. Prayers to all who suffer in this silence. ♥
Wow! What a splendidly chilling self-destructive habit exposé! This movie is more relevant now. I love the judge: Clear headed, firm and straight. Thank you very much for posting.
His wife was a big time enabler! And she was in denial about his addiction! He should be held accountable! I felt so bad for his children ! They are the ones that suffered the most! I understand addiction! My own son is a addict! I have been a enabler as well! I think everyone involved suffers! Not just the addict! The family members as well! It's a helpless feeling!
Very distressing movie. I have trouble sympathizing with alcoholics. When sober they know full well the damage and hurt they cause their loved ones. The family become enablers to survive.
It’s a DEMONIC energy that possesses them an energy that takes control.. that person needs a DIVINE presence to intervene .. You gotta call some kinda GOD force into this
This is such a good movie. Intense and dramatic topic which is heartbreaking to watch yet it happens every day. There is real hope and healing is possible♥️🙏🏼
This was a very good movie ,it was so real that how is life with alcoholic no peaceful childhood the scars are for all life.Martin Sheen was good nobody can play better.Not too many views everyone should see this movie.
It probably stands to reason that Martin Sheen's brilliant portrayal of Lyle Mollencamp might have been heavily influenced by Sheen's own bouts with alcoholism. I don't think you truly understand it unless you have experienced it in some way, as the addict or family member of one.
My dad was an abusive alcoholic and then i married the same kind of man. Being a codependent of an alcoholic most of your life can really mess you up. I cant stand being around it now. This movie had a lot of triggers but thank God i dont have to deal with that life anymore. Addiction of any kind destroys lives and families.
Martin Sheen did a great job of playing a drunk. The mother enabled him to abuse the children, always making excuses for him. She even got her son to lie and say he had stolen his father's car! They should have taken the children away from both of them.
it's called enabling, and is standard for people living with alcoholics. Criminalizing and invalidating people coping as best they can with a disease very difficult to control is no solution.
That's a fascinating concept.. I saw the 80's as a time of unnecessary self indulgence and excessive amounts of easy access to substance, and very little understanding about treatment. It was everything in excess. To society's detriment.
As someone who comes from a background with several addicts (father alcoholic sister drug addict) and this gaslighting manipulative behavior could not be more accurate. It's really sad honestly. And yeah we hide things from the police because sometimes being taken away can be worse than our actual in home life. I've had friends go into the system and end up extremely hurt. I hate this entire situation. I wish people would just wake up from there messed up day dream of thinking drugs and alcohol help. It just ruins lives. I understand why my therapist had me watch this and under the influence.
This painfully close to home. My dad quit drinking when I was nine. My brothers were older and out of the house at the time. Sick behavior. The family members become as sick as the alcoholic (codependence). SO sad. AA and Al-Anon and Ala-Teen saved my family. Dad drank until he was 46. Insanity ruled the house. Took YEARS of the program and therapy to heal our family.
Crazy my dad was a alcoholic ,a happy drunk family owned liquor store that don't help any of us. A abuser evil mother that hated her children I feel for anyone child going through mental issues due to bad parents Dear Lord continue to heal me and my sister 3siblins passed away and another on death door. Alcoholic is bad bad I believe God has helped me ,but I will never get better from abuse of wicked mother
I m sorry. God bless you. He is a good Father and our mother, our everything. He makes things to work for the best. We dont see the whole picture and how He makes things good for us. What can you do, other people have their free will too and choose to do things that are not for our benefit. God bless you and He is the Healer, He heals our wounds. God bless you again, in Jesus name I pray.
My mother was very abusive physically and mentally,. After she passed, I started to heal. The journey is long but worth it! Once I forgave her and myself, I learned to cope better. I thank the Lord each and every day. God Bless you friend.
usually by teen age some kids know enough to call child protect services and get them away from abuse of so many ways,.if you don't like private homes they have they can use group homes..the thing with them though is even sometimes they can be abusive..but you'll have your own worker who can help.
this is too sad, alcohol is the biggest evil in the world, well with all other addictions. love for alcohol destroys people, families. horrible addiction. Martin sheen is a terrific actor.
Iried to watch this movie, but it hit too damn close to home and I cant relive that shit show I clawed my way out of to rebuild and become a better person then my parents..thank God we can recover, live and learn from our parents mistakes. sorry for the rant!
I first saw this in High School back in 2007 for Health Class. It's one of those I will remember forever, even if it was just acting. It felt so..real.
Martin Sheen was so brillian that my childhood came back to me, with a drunk dad and hysteries mom Every birstday, every Chrismas, every thime to get the famely together. I was yet 7 whan mom send my out to barrooms to find my dad before he used all the money.
Martin Sheen is a very religious person, too. He was very good friends with the long term principal of our catholic high school in Wilmington, Delaware, a Benedictine nun, who died some years ago.
Brilliant film! ... And another one is UNFORGIVABLE starring John Ritter! ... I have been checking almost every day for this movie and someone just uploaded it within the last few days! ... I don't know which movie I like best concerning alcoholic abuse! ... The upload of UNFORGIVABLE is not of great quality, but seeing as I have waited a few years for someone to upload it, then I don't really care! ... Well worth a watch if you have been waiting to see it! x
It was foolish of the wife to let the husband continued with his bullying, uncontrolled rage towards her and the kids. Not to mention his unreliability , lies and self pity. She was a partner in the 'crime ' of the husband at the expense of their kids especially Kevin.
@@almasherrill604 No she wasn't. She was a victim of her father's alcohol abuse. She just continued the cycle with her own family. Stereotyping anyone as being "weak", does them a great disservice. Nobody is born knowing how to deal with addiction. If children aren't given the tools to deal with it, then they continue the cycle. That wife showed that she wasn't weak. She just needed the tools to help her and her children cope with a very complex problem. I grew up in a warzone, but thankfully my father was never abusive, he would just sing and dance around the neighborhood, which was highly embarrassing to us. My mother joined AL-ANON early in the marriage, so she had the tools to cope. Addiction is a family problem, it affects everyone in the household, whether they think it does or not. I don't like that this movie ended in a very glossy way, with the father saying he wasn't ready. I have yet to hear an alcoholic admit to being one, yet alone saying he/she wasn't ready to be sober. The acting was terrific, though.
This was basically my life as a child still is in a way with my parents. My mum had extreme learning difficulties so she was dependent and very afraid very old school what to do
It’s a very gripping and raw take on alcoholism and denial, only once or twice the father apologizes in this movie and it’s always after playing the victim and fishing out sympathies from his family. I know some might not like the ending but I feel it’s realistic how they all just went along with him after the abuse he put them through, being emotionally abused by a parent/spouse for a long time does that to you- it’s sick but you can never hate that person cause they mentally conditioned you not to. Anyways, I don’t personally interpret the ending as a happy send off- it’s bittersweet and ominous
They make people feel so bad about themselves they can't love themselves enough to hate their abuser. The abuser makes them think it's their fault. So they stop loving themselves. They continue to love the abuser because if they could just be better then they would deserve to be loved. It's so sad if people could see the abuser is lying to them. They can find real love and they are worthy of self love and love from others they would hate their abuser and love themselves enough to protect themselves.
That wife is such a codependent and enabler who would sacrifice her children's well-being to maintain the facade of a functioning family. But then again she knows no other way of coping.
It's obvious you're an alcoholic when you can't even put drinking aside for one day, like when your daughter has a school concert to play at or when another one of your kids has a birthday. I can only conclude that Joyce got up every bit of her strength to leave Lyle and take the kids. He doesn't deserve any of them whatsoever!
The best pet of the movie 26:29 right when his dad walks in and Danny’s smiling and making that weird gesture with his hands. You can’t teach that. This kid was an amazing actor. I think about that part a lot.
The worst thing is that the mother justifies the father actions/behavior...i haven't seen yet the entire movie but for now she really makes me so mad!!!..
I'm not a drinker but loosing my parents a year apart in 2012-2013 I seem to loose my temper pretty quickly. I'm so happy one sec and then something stupid sets me off and i'm so mad. I don't leave my home often out of fear of people and judgement so i havent been able to see a doctor. I'm 39 married 22 years 4 kids 19, 16, 8, 1. I don't hit my kids and husband. I do walk into my woods, alone and try and breathe whenever I'm mad. I do love my family though. Wish I knew the direction I needed to take to help myself. If anyone has had this problem and got help maybe u could leave a comment on how u went about it. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Hope the best for all.
Happy New Year Megan! You're brave, for posting the above. That can't have been easy to do. Accept yourself. Accept the anger and don't fight the anger. If you fight an emotion, particularly anger, that's when that emotion can become a problem. Powerlessness and depression are often closely related. Watch the anger arrive, don't try to suppress it and just acknowledge "okay, I am mad". Sometimes, whatever it is will then just disappear. What you could also do is play squash and use that to release your anger. But being in nature is good too. Emotions are messengers. What is your anger trying to tell you? Sometimes hormones can play a role, too. I was in my early 40s when perimenopause began. I remember one time when I was at the public library in Amsterdam and feeling myself go very over-the-top furious with a library employee, lol, because the automatic book scanner was not working or something. (I didn't say or do anything; I just felt really furious. It was hormonal and it later disappeared again.) It also sometimes happens that people with, for example, lung issues are often angry. It's like their brains know what is going on and get panicky and throw a hissy fit, trying to get through to their awareness. (The brain gets all these physical signals from the body, so it "knows" when something is going wrong, but it usually happens outside of our awareness.) Why are you afraid of people and their judgement? What do you think they will judge you on? Whatever other people think does not make it so. Easy for me to say, I know. I've been struggling with this myself since I moved to England and became seen mostly as a migrant and whatnot, instead of a merely another person, just as worthy of life as anyone else. It was a simply a practical barricade at first but after a while it became much more than that. And then it often takes a continued conscious effort to rise above it.
@@I-talk-about-tough-topics Thank you so much for replying. My anger tells me to break everything and cry. Honestly, everyday I worry something will happen to my husband and my kids. They're all I have and I feel the need to protect them at all cost. I'll be in such a good mood and then out of nowhere I get a picture in my head of my mom just laying there on the floor and I can't wake her. I remember crying myself to sleep when I was younger just thinking of losing my mom. I'm afraid of people that might have power to take my family. idk I lash out, I guess because I don't like to cry. Thank you for reading this and ur kind words.
@@megan-lenape1527 Maybe what you can learn to do is observe and notice it when you have these thoughts, these images in your mind. Almost as if you are watching them in someone else's mind. Because if you can do that, then you also gain the ability to change these thoughts and images. Replace them. Such as thinking of going for a walk through nature instead and picture what you would be seeing. Trees, birds, grass, clouds etc.
you married too young and didnt get to live as a single woman, its the 20's when you learn to cope with your emotions and regulate yourself(become your own woman) seems like you jumped into motherhood and marriage without really getting to know yourself.... rediscover yourself by writing your feelings and say positive things to yourself and others.
PERSONALLY , of my own childhood experience while being raised by a w/single mom being abusive while drunk- consider yourself lucky, in your own life experience! Too scared to tell on her to CPS/-DUE TO FEAR OF ENDING UP IN A SHELTER!
So many people suffer addiction, mental illness, may everyone who does there is hope out there. I had a boyfriend in December 5th, 2016 take his life trying to fight addiction. He was getting help and none of us expected it and he was gone! Martin Sheen is in another movie that's good, it's with Jodie Foster, called " The little girl that lived down the lane" Martin was a weirdo in it, Jodie was tough!
It is so sad how the mom lies to the detective about her husband drinking on occasion and his anger being one occurrence and how he isn't an alcoholic. I can understand her wanting her kids back , but it's selfish to lie. She isn't thinking about THEIR WELFARE
Even if some dramatic license has been taken, it doesn't take anything away from the reality of alcoholism. I am an alcoholic, and I am definitely the arsehole if several people's stories. I quit many times, but the monkey on my back was always thirsty. Mid-2007 was the last drink for me. One day at a time...
Not a bad representation of the kids in situations like this, but a terrible representation of the programs/CPS/courts compared to my experience. I had a similar experience when I was 15 that the oldest kid had where my parent was drunk and left me to drive my younger siblings home in a 1968 V8 Firebird! It was not far, but it was a powerful car for a young girl to drive with nothing but a permit!
Martin acts so much like my brother! That dude can talk a snake out of his skin. Drug addict, will justify and lies about drugs. One time, he was so high he thought he acted just fine. I said, your slurring your words and keep repeating, I'm fine, I'm fine. Your fine but I think your enjoying it more than me 😁
Excellent. Great movie. Hard to watch in the best way, if that makes sense. Lots of memories from childhood and adulthood. Going on 15 months clean, it gets better. The memories can be haunting. I'm learning a lot about patience and grace. Sometimes it's hardest to forgive ourselves. Much love.
Charlie is too old to still be blaming his daddy. He needs to be ACCOUNTABLE for his own personal actions. Which since 18 he hasn't done yet! Hopefully all his kids will find him repulsive! As well as his behavior on all levels. I pray they strive to break that family choice one's before them made. Sadly they've already been promised to the devil. God help his kids and the women he slept with knowing he had aids and mum was the word. PUTTING so many lives in danger. From that family's deals with the devil, the drugs, the abuse to pedophilia and more. It's gross; is an understatement. Martin might have done as poorly as his father in the child rearing years. However Charlie has zero excuses he chooses drugs. He CHOOSES DRUGS and His children should be horrified and run in the opposite direction at all costs.
Some women dont deserve to be called "mother". This movie really triggered me on so many levels. The van story really broke me apart. Only a sick woman would do that to her own child.
I was so annoyed when she was acting like it's nothing and not a big deal when the police said that Jenny is scared to go home. Way too many protect the partner instead of their children who are victims, though depending on your background it can be very easy to become not see and ignore the problem, you become part of the addiction.
Truth hurts!!! Since I spent childhood like yhat. Dad drunk. And mom abusive,a joint always fixed her. Stop making excuses and social services sucked!! Put the children back with mom. STOP!!!!!
what a good realistic movie and Martin Sheen is great in this role of the alcoholic father. I hope now a days people know better, get help and go into therapy before they skrew up the kids
i think this is a movie about love , the way people love their problems so they can rationalize drinking . if you are going to drink , dont be a yob , or dont drink .
Charlie Sheen and Martin are very similar. Alcohol addiction is indescriminately destructive. This movie should be compulsary viewing in schools. The mother is no better
My mum dyed because of alchohol I was to ashamed to have friends or tell my teachers I'm 62yrs old she died when I was 12 I cannot any thing but her been drunk I've learnt nothing from her🤬🤬
I would not blame his children for hating him. The mother needs to stuck up for the children. Addiction is an ugly monster that hurts everyone involved even the children.
No matter how bad a situation, there always is hope... With God all things are possible 🙏
Fosho
Yes amen!
With the 12 step program and a good sponsor...YES...turning it over to a higher power....
@santa Cruz … and other cliches.. 🤣
being in recovery myself, watching the manipulation techniques martin sheen used deeeefinitely looked very *unfortunately* relatable-- but 480 days sober today!
Good for you!! Keep it up!! 👏🏼
Great work! On my 6th month.
Good job!! Stay strong 🥰🥰🥰
Congratulations. I hope you now have 8 months.
@@pooryorick831 616 days 😊🙌🏻
Ugh...this movie hit so close to home. Brought back some painful memories of my dad's drinking.
Me too. My dad became someone else when he drank.
She is the epitome of a Co-Dependent Spouse.😢 I lived through this. It never totally goes away. Haunting memories, are with you forever.
This movie brought back memories
Martin Sceen was very good in this role.
The mother added to the abuse of her husband’s drinking by denying his problems and protecting him.
She did her children wrong also.😢
Yes
Probably helped that Martin Sheen was an active alcoholic at the time this was made.
She did not know what to do. Until one gets help, one becomes helpless. AA and AlAnon are a must. My mom went to AL-Anon three months before my dad quit drinking....Al A non helped her to learn how to let go and let him do whatever he was going to do. No more savior behavior and lying.
@@SantaCruzHappy1unfortunately both parents in that boat but it is no excuse.
I was thinking the same thing
47:32 “All you had to do was pick up a stupid birthday cake.”
Best line in the movie.
this was my father we grew up and left then he passed and for once we felt free
Wow
❤Understand you. Enjoy your life. ❤
Martin Sheen was simply brilliant in this part. Thought it was a great true to life story. Wish all alcoholics could be helped.
Even the few that stop drinking remain total, mean, self-absorbed, manipulative butwholes. Get away from them and don’t ever have children with them, they destroy everyones life.
They can only help them self. Bevor that nothing will work out.
Sadly, he didn't even have to research to do the role because he already knew how an alcoholic acted
My dad wasn't an alcoholic, but he treated us kids and our mum just like that, and worse. His addictions were cigarettes, lots of very sweet black tea, eating grated soap, and pornography. He was constantly psychotic. He was almost constantly angry. Something that might make him smile one day could just as easily make him melt down into an angry, violent temper tantrum the next. There was absolutely no stability in our house. Being an arrogant Dutch man born in the late 1920's, he was too proud to go see a psychiatrist. He saw it as a weakness. I suspect he had either bpd, or paranoid schizophrenia, or a severe case of bipolar. All accompanied by psychosis. I was glad when he died at 54. Though that wasn't the end of our problems, By then we all had ptsd and other mental illnesses. My three brothers each had alcohol and or substance abuse problems. One of them committed suicide 13 years ago. My youngest brother attempted suicide several times, and still has an alcohol and substance abuse problem, also an anger management problem. There have been eating disorders, and us girls have also had contemplated suicide before. Domestic abuse has a trickle down effect, and affects each subsequent generation in some way. That's why it's so important to seek help.
I’m so sorry 😐
Healing prayers 🙏🏻
you are a beautiful soul. Thank you for sharing with us.
I know how it,s like,believe me.Same kind of dad,my 4 sisters and my brother n ofc my mum,all got PTSD..Now i,m 48,no degree,no proper job, divorced, daughter abroad with mum,on the verge of suicide several times,severe addiction with heroin.Hope u doing good...bless u !!!
God bless you and to all the survivors of this difficult situation that is still occurring in our world.
ross purvine, PTSD is a life long disorder. It's not "gotten rid of" and certainly not by a song.
It pisses me off the way the mom told her son to say he stole the van. She manipulated him with a guilt trip.
That's called enabling. The mother is the Chief Enabler in this dynamic. The Chief Enabler does whatever he/she can to help the addicted person avoid the consequences for his or her behavior. Even asked a son to lie to the police.
That's how alcoholism affects an entire family.
The mom made me mad
My father was an alcoholic and had a terrible temper. My mom would do the same thing to me. She did it because I am the only girl and not the family favorite
How truly sad that it is that a family stands by, protects, the one who is in complete denial about their addictions... Yet I get this. Prayers to all who suffer in this silence. ♥
Charles Sheen is so good in such a bad way but eventually he comes to his senses ...but for how long lol
Frequently they're abusive and you're afraid not to.
Wow! What a splendidly chilling self-destructive habit exposé! This movie is more relevant now. I love the judge: Clear headed, firm and straight. Thank you very much for posting.
sorry for you horrible upbringing, I hear you loud and clear.
His wife was a big time enabler! And she was in denial about his addiction! He should be held accountable! I felt so bad for his children ! They are the ones that suffered the most! I understand addiction! My own son is a addict! I have been a enabler as well! I think everyone involved suffers! Not just the addict! The family members as well! It's a helpless feeling!
Epic role for Martin Sheen. He was very convincing here.
Ikr hes awesome
Very distressing movie. I have trouble sympathizing with alcoholics. When sober they know full well the damage and hurt they cause their loved ones. The family become enablers to survive.
It’s a DEMONIC energy that possesses them an energy that takes control.. that person needs a DIVINE presence to intervene .. You gotta call some kinda GOD force into this
This is such a good movie. Intense and dramatic topic which is heartbreaking to watch yet it happens every day. There is real hope and healing is possible♥️🙏🏼
This was a very good movie ,it was so real that how is life with alcoholic no peaceful childhood the scars are for all life.Martin Sheen was good nobody can play better.Not too many views everyone should see this movie.
It probably stands to reason that Martin Sheen's brilliant portrayal of Lyle Mollencamp might have been heavily influenced by Sheen's own bouts with alcoholism. I don't think you truly understand it unless you have experienced it in some way, as the addict or family member of one.
My dad was an abusive alcoholic and then i married the same kind of man. Being a codependent of an alcoholic most of your life can really mess you up. I cant stand being around it now. This movie had a lot of triggers but thank God i dont have to deal with that life anymore. Addiction of any kind destroys lives and families.
I can relate. Thank God my dad got help through Alcoholics Anonymous. And my mom through Al aNon.
Martin Sheen did a great job of playing a drunk. The mother enabled him to abuse the children, always making excuses for him. She even got her son to lie and say he had stolen his father's car! They should have taken the children away from both of them.
it's called enabling, and is standard for people living with alcoholics. Criminalizing and invalidating people coping as best they can with a disease very difficult to control is no solution.
He’s the father of actor Charlie Sheen
interesting which he didn’t know at the time.
She was scared
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Thanks for sharing. Enjoy those 80's movies, this was the decade society tried to correct itself.
That's a fascinating concept.. I saw the 80's as a time of unnecessary self indulgence and excessive amounts of easy access to substance, and very little understanding about treatment. It was everything in excess. To society's detriment.
@@Prawnstar. Exactly, society tried to correct itself and failed:(
As someone who comes from a background with several addicts (father alcoholic sister drug addict) and this gaslighting manipulative behavior could not be more accurate. It's really sad honestly. And yeah we hide things from the police because sometimes being taken away can be worse than our actual in home life. I've had friends go into the system and end up extremely hurt. I hate this entire situation. I wish people would just wake up from there messed up day dream of thinking drugs and alcohol help. It just ruins lives. I understand why my therapist had me watch this and under the influence.
Being taken away being worse is just a lie they tell children so they won't tell.
But still even if you lie not okay to abuse your own child, put a crime on him and then when he does scream and call him a lier.
This painfully close to home. My dad quit drinking when I was nine. My brothers were older and out of the house at the time. Sick behavior. The family members become as sick as the alcoholic (codependence). SO sad. AA and Al-Anon and Ala-Teen saved my family. Dad drank until he was 46. Insanity ruled the house. Took YEARS of the program and therapy to heal our family.
Crazy my dad was a alcoholic ,a happy drunk family owned liquor store that don't help any of us. A abuser evil mother that hated her children I feel for anyone child going through mental issues due to bad parents Dear Lord continue to heal me and my sister 3siblins passed away and another on death door. Alcoholic is bad bad I believe God has helped me ,but I will never get better from abuse of wicked mother
I m sorry. God bless you. He is a good Father and our mother, our everything. He makes things to work for the best. We dont see the whole picture and how He makes things good for us. What can you do, other people have their free will too and choose to do things that are not for our benefit. God bless you and He is the Healer, He heals our wounds. God bless you again, in Jesus name I pray.
My mother was very abusive physically and mentally,. After she passed, I started to heal. The journey is long but worth it! Once I forgave her and myself, I learned to cope better. I thank the Lord each and every day. God Bless you friend.
usually by teen age some kids know enough to call child protect services and get them away from abuse of so many ways,.if you don't like private homes they have they can use group homes..the thing with them though is even sometimes they can be abusive..but you'll have your own worker who can help.
Please seek help! It is out there! Wish you all the best! Greetings from Germany
OMG!! 😨What a volatile home situation it is treding on eggshells living with and alcoholic...pure trauma😱. Thx for educating us.
this is too sad, alcohol is the biggest evil in the world, well with all other addictions. love for alcohol destroys people, families. horrible addiction. Martin sheen is a terrific actor.
A Very Good Actor indeed
A Very Good Actor indeed
What he did to Ken the son was so horrific. With an enabling mother and a dad like that, poor poor kids.
If this was real and I was the son I d either run away or get a part time job and never have to bother the crazy dad for anything
Iried to watch this movie, but it hit too damn close to home and I cant relive that shit show I clawed my way out of to rebuild and become a better person then my parents..thank God we can recover, live and learn from our parents mistakes. sorry for the rant!
My gawd, that was so well said!
Take care.
It's a beautiful movie a wonderful story
I first saw this in High School back in 2007 for Health Class. It's one of those I will remember forever, even if it was just acting. It felt so..real.
Wow.. That was a Blinding movie.. Respect to Martin Sheen! This should be re-released,
Martin Sheen was so brillian that my childhood came back to me, with a drunk dad and hysteries mom
Every birstday, every Chrismas, every thime to get the famely together.
I was yet 7 whan mom send my out to barrooms to find my dad before he used all the money.
Thanks for the upload, been looking for this movie for years.
Martin Sheen is a very religious person, too. He was very good friends with the long term principal of our catholic high school in Wilmington, Delaware, a Benedictine nun, who died some years ago.
Never tire of watching Martin Sheen's movie!
Brilliant film! ... And another one is UNFORGIVABLE starring John Ritter! ... I have been checking almost every day for this movie and someone just uploaded it within the last few days! ... I don't know which movie I like best concerning alcoholic abuse! ... The upload of UNFORGIVABLE is not of great quality, but seeing as I have waited a few years for someone to upload it, then I don't really care! ... Well worth a watch if you have been waiting to see it! x
I know it's a coping mechanism but I can't stand how the mother and the sister made excuses and enabled him.
It was foolish of the wife to let the husband continued with his bullying, uncontrolled rage towards her and the kids. Not to mention his unreliability , lies and self pity. She was a partner in the 'crime ' of the husband at the expense of their kids especially Kevin.
She was weak
@@almasherrill604 No she wasn't. She was a victim of her father's alcohol abuse. She just continued the cycle with her own family. Stereotyping anyone as being "weak", does them a great disservice. Nobody is born knowing how to deal with addiction. If children aren't given the tools to deal with it, then they continue the cycle. That wife showed that she wasn't weak. She just needed the tools to help her and her children cope with a very complex problem. I grew up in a warzone, but thankfully my father was never abusive, he would just sing and dance around the neighborhood, which was highly embarrassing to us. My mother joined AL-ANON early in the marriage, so she had the tools to cope. Addiction is a family problem, it affects everyone in the household, whether they think it does or not. I don't like that this movie ended in a very glossy way, with the father saying he wasn't ready. I have yet to hear an alcoholic admit to being one, yet alone saying he/she wasn't ready to be sober. The acting was terrific, though.
This was basically my life as a child still is in a way with my parents. My mum had extreme learning difficulties so she was dependent and very afraid very old school what to do
@@almasherrill604 No she wasn't
I see, you have been in this situation??
OMG Albert Ingalls from little house on the prairie
That wife is VERY weak and a coward!!!! Where would be if it wasn't their daughter?🙆
Good True To Life Movie
It’s a very gripping and raw take on alcoholism and denial, only once or twice the father apologizes in this movie and it’s always after playing the victim and fishing out sympathies from his family. I know some might not like the ending but I feel it’s realistic how they all just went along with him after the abuse he put them through, being emotionally abused by a parent/spouse for a long time does that to you- it’s sick but you can never hate that person cause they mentally conditioned you not to.
Anyways, I don’t personally interpret the ending as a happy send off- it’s bittersweet and ominous
They make people feel so bad about themselves they can't love themselves enough to hate their abuser. The abuser makes them think it's their fault. So they stop loving themselves. They continue to love the abuser because if they could just be better then they would deserve to be loved.
It's so sad if people could see the abuser is lying to them. They can find real love and they are worthy of self love and love from others they would hate their abuser and love themselves enough to protect themselves.
They played this film when I was at rehab some 20 years ago.
Sheen certainly put some energy into this role. 💯👌
years ago i remember a hammered martin sheen mowing lawn… at THREE a.m. 😂 This has to be it!
That wife is such a codependent and enabler who would sacrifice her children's well-being to maintain the facade of a functioning family. But then again she knows no other way of coping.
Awesome film. One of my all-time favorites.
My dad would have never said "I'm not ready". My dad died in 2014 and I am still scared of him. It is luggage for life.
It's obvious you're an alcoholic when you can't even put drinking aside for one day, like when your daughter has a school concert to play at or when another one of your kids has a birthday. I can only conclude that Joyce got up every bit of her strength to leave Lyle and take the kids. He doesn't deserve any of them whatsoever!
I very been watching a ton of 70s shows that Marrtin was in so I got here.I forgot he made tv movies as well.
The best pet of the movie 26:29 right when his dad walks in and Danny’s smiling and making that weird gesture with his hands. You can’t teach that. This kid was an amazing actor. I think about that part a lot.
The worst thing is that the mother justifies the father actions/behavior...i haven't seen yet the entire movie but for now she really makes me so mad!!!..
I'm not a drinker but loosing my parents a year apart in 2012-2013 I seem to loose my temper pretty quickly. I'm so happy one sec and then something stupid sets me off and i'm so mad. I don't leave my home often out of fear of people and judgement so i havent been able to see a doctor. I'm 39 married 22 years 4 kids 19, 16, 8, 1. I don't hit my kids and husband. I do walk into my woods, alone and try and breathe whenever I'm mad. I do love my family though. Wish I knew the direction I needed to take to help myself. If anyone has had this problem and got help maybe u could leave a comment on how u went about it. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Hope the best for all.
I did have the same problem before loosing my parents with the short temper but it's a lot worse now. Just wanted to add that.
Happy New Year Megan! You're brave, for posting the above. That can't have been easy to do.
Accept yourself. Accept the anger and don't fight the anger. If you fight an emotion, particularly anger, that's when that emotion can become a problem. Powerlessness and depression are often closely related. Watch the anger arrive, don't try to suppress it and just acknowledge "okay, I am mad". Sometimes, whatever it is will then just disappear. What you could also do is play squash and use that to release your anger. But being in nature is good too.
Emotions are messengers. What is your anger trying to tell you?
Sometimes hormones can play a role, too. I was in my early 40s when perimenopause began. I remember one time when I was at the public library in Amsterdam and feeling myself go very over-the-top furious with a library employee, lol, because the automatic book scanner was not working or something. (I didn't say or do anything; I just felt really furious. It was hormonal and it later disappeared again.)
It also sometimes happens that people with, for example, lung issues are often angry. It's like their brains know what is going on and get panicky and throw a hissy fit, trying to get through to their awareness. (The brain gets all these physical signals from the body, so it "knows" when something is going wrong, but it usually happens outside of our awareness.)
Why are you afraid of people and their judgement? What do you think they will judge you on? Whatever other people think does not make it so. Easy for me to say, I know. I've been struggling with this myself since I moved to England and became seen mostly as a migrant and whatnot, instead of a merely another person, just as worthy of life as anyone else. It was a simply a practical barricade at first but after a while it became much more than that. And then it often takes a continued conscious effort to rise above it.
@@I-talk-about-tough-topics Thank you so much for replying.
My anger tells me to break everything and cry. Honestly, everyday I worry something will happen to my husband and my kids. They're all I have and I feel the need to protect them at all cost. I'll be in such a good mood and then out of nowhere I get a picture in my head of my mom just laying there on the floor and I can't wake her. I remember crying myself to sleep when I was younger just thinking of losing my mom. I'm afraid of people that might have power to take my family. idk I lash out, I guess because I don't like to cry. Thank you for reading this and ur kind words.
@@megan-lenape1527 Maybe what you can learn to do is observe and notice it when you have these thoughts, these images in your mind. Almost as if you are watching them in someone else's mind. Because if you can do that, then you also gain the ability to change these thoughts and images. Replace them. Such as thinking of going for a walk through nature instead and picture what you would be seeing. Trees, birds, grass, clouds etc.
you married too young and didnt get to live as a single woman, its the 20's when you learn to cope with your emotions and regulate yourself(become your own woman) seems like you jumped into motherhood and marriage without really getting to know yourself.... rediscover yourself by writing your feelings and say positive things to yourself and others.
I remember watching this in school during my 9th grade year. Great movie and sad
PERSONALLY , of my own childhood experience while being raised by a w/single mom being abusive while drunk- consider yourself lucky, in your own life experience! Too scared to tell on her to CPS/-DUE TO FEAR OF ENDING UP IN A SHELTER!
So many people suffer addiction, mental illness, may everyone who does there is hope out there. I had a boyfriend in December 5th, 2016 take his life trying to fight addiction. He was getting help and none of us expected it and he was gone! Martin Sheen is in another movie that's good, it's with Jodie Foster, called " The little girl that lived down the lane" Martin was a weirdo in it, Jodie was tough!
I'm very sorry for your loss.
Really well made the way it inserts the viewer into the chaos. After 15 minutes I wanted to get out of this family, much less an entire lifetime!
At 38:19, I recognize the World Book encyclopedias on the shelf. We had the entire set, too, with the annual year books arriving.
Excellent portrayal this has to be personal experience 😢
Como su familia lo ama y hasta lo encubre a pesar del sufrimiento que les provoca, asombroso
Great movie.
Martin Sheen at his best.
It is so sad how the mom lies to the detective about her husband drinking on occasion and his anger being one occurrence and how he isn't an alcoholic. I can understand her wanting her kids back , but it's selfish to lie. She isn't thinking about THEIR WELFARE
Chilling and well done. Particularly for one of these old made for tv things.
Mom whining about the son to the daughter, don’t do that.
Even if some dramatic license has been taken, it doesn't take anything away from the reality of alcoholism. I am an alcoholic, and I am definitely the arsehole if several people's stories. I quit many times, but the monkey on my back was always thirsty. Mid-2007 was the last drink for me. One day at a time...
Well...that's the first step! ❤️
The first step is always the hardest.....
Excellent movie! Martin Sheen is such a talented actor!🖤
Not a bad representation of the kids in situations like this, but a terrible representation of the programs/CPS/courts compared to my experience. I had a similar experience when I was 15 that the oldest kid had where my parent was drunk and left me to drive my younger siblings home in a 1968 V8 Firebird! It was not far, but it was a powerful car for a young girl to drive with nothing but a permit!
Martin acts so much like my brother! That dude can talk a snake out of his skin. Drug addict, will justify and lies about drugs. One time, he was so high he thought he acted just fine. I said, your slurring your words and keep repeating, I'm fine, I'm fine. Your fine but I think your enjoying it more than me 😁
Excellent. Great movie. Hard to watch in the best way, if that makes sense. Lots of memories from childhood and adulthood. Going on 15 months clean, it gets better. The memories can be haunting. I'm learning a lot about patience and grace. Sometimes it's hardest to forgive ourselves. Much love.
All the best!
Martin sheen gives another great performance. This apparently is a personal project for Martin sheen as he has stated he has battled alcoholism
@48:36 oh my god. Look at all the destruction lyle’s causing. He’s like he’s some sort of a monster. He’s dadzilla a cross between dad and gozilla.
Martin played it in a movie and Charlie was it in real life.
Charlie probably still is.
Charlie is too old to still be blaming his daddy. He needs to be ACCOUNTABLE for his own personal actions. Which since 18 he hasn't done yet! Hopefully all his kids will find him repulsive! As well as his behavior on all levels. I pray they strive to break that family choice one's before them made. Sadly they've already been promised to the devil. God help his kids and the women he slept with knowing he had aids and mum was the word. PUTTING so many lives in danger. From that family's deals with the devil, the drugs, the abuse to pedophilia and more. It's gross; is an understatement. Martin might have done as poorly as his father in the child rearing years. However Charlie has zero excuses he chooses drugs. He CHOOSES DRUGS and His children should be horrified and run in the opposite direction at all costs.
If there was ever a remake of this movie, Charlie Sheen would play the drunk.
Charlie Sheen was also an Alcoholic in real life…that’s a fact.
Sorry I meant to say Martin Sheen was also an alcoholic in real life…and that’s a fact
I can relate tremendously to this movie❤ thank you, great depiction
They take the kids into protective services but leave the woman in the house with this maniac.
Martin is prime for this role-
an a$4567 dad, what a horrible life that kid/family endured.
Drunks make me sick.
RIP Melinda Dillon
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Some women dont deserve to be called "mother". This movie really triggered me on so many levels. The van story really broke me apart. Only a sick woman would do that to her own child.
I was so annoyed when she was acting like it's nothing and not a big deal when the police said that Jenny is scared to go home. Way too many protect the partner instead of their children who are victims, though depending on your background it can be very easy to become not see and ignore the problem, you become part of the addiction.
These tv movies are always so relaxing to me i Don't know if its the music or settings
Truth hurts!!! Since I spent childhood like yhat. Dad drunk. And mom abusive,a joint always fixed her. Stop making excuses and social services sucked!! Put the children back with mom. STOP!!!!!
Nope can't watch this. I went through it not going back
OMG!! this movie made me so angry 😠 how can this woman lie that way about that irresponsible father!!! She didn't really care for her kids!!
Yes. She is a mother imitation.
Very realistic movie! It shows how an intelligent well to do family person can be an alcoholic. Dave...
His wife should help him and tell him he has a drink problem if he doesnt clean up his act she should leave with her children
what a good realistic movie and Martin Sheen is great in this role of the alcoholic father. I hope now a days people know better, get help and go into therapy before they skrew up the kids
Wife: "No one's calling you a drunk."
Maybe that's the problem...
No one mentioned Jill schoelin, even a bit part and man what a movie this was. Ps when the lil kid finds the booze, so sad 😞
Excellent Movie
i think this is a movie about love , the way people love their problems so they can rationalize drinking . if you are going to drink , dont be a yob , or dont drink .
Why does everyone keep apologising to him. He’s as an aggressive bully.
To soothe him so he won't get more angry you have to live it to know it
@@helenglover8643 well I know, but it just made me feel angry. Oh, and I have known it, when I was much younger. This is why it has such an affect.
You take on the role as mediator, peacemaker, just to make it stop
@@djr6876 well I know, but I’m just annoyed and frustrated at it.
alcoholism is a 💜 ❤️ breaking poison🙏‼️‼️🙂
wow, what a great movie
Thank you for the MOVIE! 😮
Very underrated movie
Charlie Sheen and Martin are very similar.
Alcohol addiction is indescriminately destructive. This movie should be compulsary viewing in schools. The mother is no better
My mum dyed because of alchohol I was to ashamed to have friends or tell my teachers I'm 62yrs old she died when I was 12 I cannot any thing but her been drunk I've learnt nothing from her🤬🤬
Thanks for the upload.❤
Lol "wait for me" on a serious note the father is sain else
They showed us this in High School and we all laughed when the dad got drunk and raged
Why? It brought back painful memories for me.
if Charlie Sheen grew up in such an atmosphere, his behavior should not be surprising.
I would not blame his children for hating him. The mother needs to stuck up for the children. Addiction is an ugly monster that hurts everyone involved even the children.
Excellent film, thank you .........