What I love from Oppenheimer is the sound. I love how the soundtrack able to convey the emotion of Robert after his creation blown up Hiroshima and Nagasaki and killing thousands of innocent people.
@@Lavonda_ It makes you feel quite dirty. But the devil was in either choice. Not use it and risk that another million lives are claimed in the years to come, or 100,000 casualties from a single bomb meant to end the war. But the Japs were so damn loyal, the US was forced to drop another. That actually confirms the choice they made was the lesser of two evils. Had they not used the bomb the war would have dragged on for years and years claiming a lot more lives than the bombs did. I totally get Oppenheimer. I've known his (nearly) full story for 30 years, and have had the time to really chew down on it. And I get it. And sometimes a tear will roll down my cheek from it. Ironic that his creation has not destroyed the world yet, but it destroyed Oppenheimer himself in an instant when he realized what he had done. In essence, that was the main way the bomb had succeeded in it's mission. And we haven't used one since, and Unless an evil axis really wants to, I don't think they ever will be used against ourselves. That all said, I think the US govt should have released an official warning to Japan, and given them the footage of the trinity explosion. So they could have made a choice before any bomb was dropped. Not that I think it would have made any difference, but the choice would have been available. That is the only big shortcoming on the US side, as far as I am concerned.
Yes, Gary Oldman as Truman was the biggest surprise for me. And the actor that played Doctor/Professor Rabi looked familiar too, just couldn’t put my finger on it…who is that?
@@DavidDatura I think you are referring to Kenneth Branagh, who himself appears in both Tenet and Dunkirk. Hell even Josh from Drake and Josh was in this movie, lots of actors would give their left nut for a tiny role on a Nolan movie
I can’t remember his name but it took me ages to realise the prosecutor in Oppenheimers hearing wasn’t played by the same guy who played Chandler in Friends 😂
I saw this today, and I have to say that Nolan outdid himself. I did not expect him to get better as a director. The speech scene after dropping the bomb - it compiled AND individually delivered each and every element of human emotion and nuclear weaponry at the same time.
I loved how all the fans in the stands were stomping their feet… loud like a bomb… and it was loud enough that it drown out everything else… symbolizing that his mind too is nothing but the thoughts of what he did
I think that scene also depicted how easy it is to get drawn into patriotic fervour when you are able to compartmentalize and "abstract out" the reality of the situation. I think most of us can do that kind of thing automatically. The same brain that made Oppenheimer the man for the job would not allow him to separate himself from that stark reality . Even Oppenheimer played his role, but the film makes it seem he was acutely aware of what he was doing in that scene. He was more similar to the scientist puking his brains out.
I got teary eyes when he had inner conflict during his speech that he experienced depersonalization and hallucinations. The movie was just so beautifully made I teared up. What a masterpiece
I had an extremely emotional response to them testing the bomb. I felt like I was in the room with them anxious as hell, then as soon as you see the bright white light, the emotion changes more to a “what have we done?” Considering how it would shape the next 60 years of world history.
I shed a few tears during the movie too. I left the theater with an overwhelming feeling of heartbreak that I still can’t shake or explain days later. Fantastic film.
As a child of the fifties and the cold war, that scene also very impactful to me. I instantly remembered the fear in our everyday life during cold war; the emergency broadcast system, knowing where the public shelters were and the dreams I used to have of the planes flying over, the bombs dropping and me lying in a ditch. And realizing this really happened to people doing the daily business. The atom bomb was more monumental, but the mass bombings of London and Dresden and even in Vietnam had the same real impact on those lives that were destroyed, or at least forever altered, in an instant. The hydrogen bomb is the only weapon we ever invented that has not been used in war, and I, like Oppenheimer, hope it never will.
This is Nolan’s masterpiece. I watched it in 70mm and now it is lengthy but the visuals. The acting. Just beyond amazing. Mind you no cgi and first time filming in black and white with IMAX cameras
Just gotten home from the cinema. Feel like I'm in shock. Still digesting it all. All I can say is it was exceptional. Appreciate your thoughts and review. Think this one will be with me for a few days.
What is more amazing is how little of a sh*t you gave about the Japanese people killed or injured in the US bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...until you watched a movie in 2023. Bit sad really.
You're "still shook..." Gee...couldn't you find something even more trite to say..? "Shook"...yeah...I know you want to follow the crowd and use the latest hip past participle of the word shake...but, it's truly annoying...
@@buckhorncortez I Know a grammar Nazi when I see one, and the bucknocortex.... * stabs finger at him * Seriously, what pissed you off this morning? Seeing your wife's sleeping face?
I don’t know how to describe the film honestly. It impacted me so much unexpectedly, it made me so uncomfortable that my instinct is to call it a bad movie but if someone else were to say that I’d feel the need to defend it. I left the theater feeling so lethargic afterwards, I’ve never been impacted by any movie like that before. Definitely a 10/10 and the ending is terrifying how close we toe that line today.
Same here kinda. I know it is a great movie but I didn’t really enjoy it as much as I wanted to. It’s amazing in almost every aspect but I might have to digest it fully to really appreciate it
Haha same. I was too, a bit disappointed in the first half but as it picked up and the way it ended. I was very, very taken a back. Idk how I feel. I am still taking it in, it's 4am right now and it's still keeping me up
You explained this perfectly! Exactly the way I felt leaving the theater, the more I sit and think about what I just watched makes me appreciate the film that much more.
I felt the same way. I honestly stayed up until 3 am after watching it just researching everything and digesting all that I saw. It was very thought provoking but also overstimulating. I just can’t fully describe the feeling it gave me.
Much has been made of the 3 hour runtime, but actually the pace of the film is frenetic, especially in the first hour as we gallop through introductions of significant characters and Oppenheimer's backstory and complex motivations. Nolan handles these with his trademark time-travelling quick cuts that set up for big pay offs in Act III. From there he masterfully racks the tension up to almost unbearable levels for the actual Trinity test at the 2 hour mark. You might wonder what could possibly top that, but Nolan delivers a complex web of intrigue and back-stabbing that would make Tyrion Lannister's head spin. The finale is delivered with such a breathtaking gut-punch that you'll find yourself, even days later, wondering what happened to the oxygen in the room. If Nolan, Murphy and Downey don't clean sweep the Oscars for this bravura tour de force, then the Academy simply don't have pulses.
The academy WILL want to screw this as the writer is also the director in a time when writers are on strike with the attitude "you directors need us". But this could be a movie like Patton that could sweep the oscars in 1973 at the height of anti-war sentiment.
Being a history nerd means I know the story already. I've started enjoying your breakdowns before watching movies now. I feel bad for people like Oppenheimer. He probably honestly thought he was going to end all wars, but, lol, little did he know how terrible we as people can be. The law of unintended consequences is a mofo man
Oppenheimer wanted to build an atomic bomb before Germany. That was his motivation. He found out about Hahn and Strassmann's experiment in January 1939 and refused to believe it. Luis Alvarez set up an experiment the next day and called Oppenheimer to observe the results. Within a week, Phillip Morrison remembered walking into Oppenheimer’s office and seeing on the blackboard, “a drawing - a very bad drawing an execrable drawing - of a bomb.”
@@keirangrant1607even 20 years ago people the age you are now had different worldviews. Going back to a 41 year old in 1945, we cannot ever truly understand his motivations about how he felt about how a bomb would affect people. Even his opposition to the H bomb was to do with the use of resources that would otherwise be used for conventional weapons, with no guarantee the H bomb would work, or could work, and if it might not, Soviet Russia might take this as an "empty threat" and use a H bomb of their own. "General public" these days doesn't have to think to much about our moral idealism surrounding weapons because we are in general not conscripted, and are not in a life or death struggle for the existence of our countries, we farm this out to our military and dump it on our politicians to make the best of two bad situations, so of course people then had a different mindframe
Maybe he should've taken some history classes to know how terrible people can be. It's really common sense bc it's found in the history of ALL civilizations.
What blows my mind is that what oppenheimer knew about about quantum mechanics, is still about 95% of what the best physicists in quantum mechanics know today, 80 years later! Point is, the brunt of the material was learned very early on, and we've just been searching for the missing pieces ever since. And we've only found a tiny fraction of those missing pieces as of today.
Yeah but he got it all from Heisenberg and just introduced it to the USA, he was not very good at the maths, Heisenberg made a comment about this once, when Oppenheimer was at Goettingen
@@mrsrjlupin3650 I think what you consider "not very good at math" is not on par with what the average global level of maths education is. They were both extremely studious and mathematically proficient, being Physics majors.
@@netoobioha6317 a lot of scientists like things to work practically and sometimes practicality and theoretical mathematical reasoning do not go together
Intense movie. Really well done. And I really liked the Trinity bomb drop scene. Almost no sound other than breathing,etc, lulled into a sense of "did they cut out all the sound"... then delayed 💥 . Perfect timing by Nolan.
It's a dramatic delay of the sound wave. Even though its a long pause, that whole moment is probably just a few seconds of delay before the sonic boom.
My grandfather was a skunkworks engineer back during the war. He told me about how casually the material was treated... including someone he knew going through a box of old records some years later, and discovering someone had just casually tossed a couple of test rods (small cylinders of radioactive material) loose in the bottom of the box...
Yes! There were so many employees in Los Alamos that got cancer from radiation, that they had a compensation program for them, including healthcare. My ex-fiance got treatment for cancer and was awarded 100K. I hated (and loved) Los Alamos. But I'm glad I'm gone. I refused drinking the water there! And I had a patient in LA show up one day in his radiation suit! I didn't refuse him care, but I was so freaked out! That was in about 2010, so the carelessness, I believe is a constant issue.
Thank you Paul ...you moving into movies other than superhero movies is what many of your contemporaries since Ironman cannot do. You're exposing yourself as a true movie and entertainment critic and we're the better for it.
@@heavyspoilers I saw it last night and it's as you describe...I think your 2001 comment was spot on. I also think it's one of those movies you let wash over you in one sitting as an event, maybe not to intensely review but rather experience and then take time to put the experience into thought. Have to give it to Nolan...his movies do tend to make you think about them years after you saw them. Hope your audience can take more of these long-form discussions because they're really thought-provoking and smart.
I get why some people are calling it boring , there is a looot of dialogue that can become monotonous to keep up with ,but as an autobiography adaptation ,it really did wipe the floor
@@FateDelamorte Some people just are not good with words, including listening. If there are too many words, their brain will overload and stop listening. After that they'll be just bored waiting for the discussion to end.
The film's packed supporting cast gives stellar performances as well. Gary Oldman as Truman truly gripped me, even he's just in for that one scene. What he said to Oppenheimer is kinda chilling, spoken like a true politician. Jack Quaid was pretty well-casted too, given his role, Dr Richard Feynman is also a playful character, playing his bongos all the time, which keeps reminding me of Sheldon from TBBT and his resemblance to his personal hero - Dr Richard Feynman. Also, surprised to see Kenneth Branagh as Niels Bohr, I heard that at a theatre in Copenhagen, people cheered everytime he's on screen or Niels Bohr was mentioned.
Having visited both the Trinity Test Site and the Hanford Site, I was hoping the film would depict how the work of the different sites was ultimately coordinated into making the finished product. I was also hoping to learn something of Oppenheimer's thought process--he was both brilliant and also deeply flawed. But most of the film focused on the efforts by Strauss to discredit Oppenheimer and end his career. It was McCarthyism with a twist of personal vendetta. While this was big blow in Oppenheimer's life, I wish more of the film had been devoted to how the project was done and Oppenheimer's brilliant but flawed genius, and less on the personal vendetta.
I think they did fairly focus on that. Also to focus on his work too much would make it a scientific documentary route rather than what the film did which was to place oppenheimer and the consequences of his work in the social and political context of one of the most turbulent few decades of modern history. It matters. Focusing too much on the isolated brilliance of the scienctific mind that he was is exactly what has resulted in science yielding dreadful consequences for us. Advancement and progress has to be measured not just by their brilliance but what they mean for the regular folk who will be impacted in good ways or bad. Like the character of kitty says. You cannot committ a sin knowing full well you are sinning and then get to shun it's consequences when they come back for you. The movie never set out to present Oppenheimer the brilliant scientist but Oppenheimer the man who happened to be a brilliant scientist. Having a movie place it's subject in the times in which the events unfolded we must understand the times in which this movie is being released which makes the personal vendetta angle quite impactful and perfectly timed. It's a very mirror like portrayal of the current polarizing times in which we the viewers of this film are currently existing. Nolan places his subject against the backdrop of his times while placing the viewers against the backdrop of their own social and political climates. Something to be said of the circular nature of man's tendencies to not learn from the flaws of the great men in the past.
I find it funny how people look back on "mccarthyism". You could have had your thoughts on it back then, but in 2023 I think you need to be blind not to see that Mccarthy was 1000000% correct about what was happening to the country, and his viewpoint should have been national policy. We not have members of congress who are proud socialist/communist.
I agree with you, and this movie really suffered for it. The people that like this movie like to watch C-SPAN all day because that's literally what most of this movie was and ugly politics. I don't care he was a bad father or a womanizer or potential communist, I wanted to learn more about the process of making the bomb and what it took to achieve it, not this boring drivel.
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I felt the same way about the Kennedy name drop. Had me thinking there could be a Christopher Nolan Kennedy movie in the works but that was just a thought.
My husband and I saw the movie today! We are 76 and and 77 so this occurred before we were born! We thought the film was incredible and the 3 hours flew by! I was warned that it might be hard to hear some dialogue because Nolan doesn’t dub on voices and that proved to be true! So I will look forward to watch it as a stream so I can CC it! The acting was perfection, so many stars! I will watch the stream many times to see things that I missed previously!!
Fantastic movie. Loved how the 3 stories work to catch up woth eachother and intersect at the end. Fantastic story telling. But the famous quote was CRAZY how they used it 😭
As an Indonesian, we kinda owe our gaining of independence to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but it’s still incredibly sad to think how many people died for the price of freedom..
Including the people he and his fellow scientists stole the land from displaced and poisoned their water. May the forever pay for their crimes against humanity.
Slight correction: Oppenheimer was not the head of the Manhattan Project, even though most attribute the project to him solely. He was only responsible for the bomb delivery system developed at Los Alamos Laboratory. He would have never been entrusted with the entire project because of the communist affiliation of his wife, brother, and most of his close friends, although he himself was never a communist.
So rarely do you find straight-up facts in a comment section. Your comment is 100% correct and with no bias. The only thing I could add is that Oppenheimer did contribute $1,000 a year ($23k in 2023) to the American Communist Party from 1937 to 1942. When asked about it, he said it was to buy ambulances for the anti-fascist forces fighting in Spain. He was then asked if he knew whether the money was used to buy ambulances or used for something else. He was stunned by the question and replied that it never occurred to him that the money would be used for something else. Sometimes the obvious escapes even the smartest people...
Nobody attributes the Manhattan Project exclusively to him, and that's certainly not how he's portrayed in the movie. In fact, there's a big pushback going on now that seems to be working on the premise that Oppenheimer did all the work... In spite of all the other scientists that show up in the movie. He was the project manager, though... Not just of Los Alamos, but of the work that was being done at the other sites like Hanford and the Clinton Engineer works, since they worked based on instructions from the Los Alamos lab. Of course, the project was under the control of the army under Major General Nichols, but Nichols was not project manager in this case.
@@Falcrist Oppenheimer did not control what was going on at Hanford and Oakridge. Those facilities were managed by contractors, under the control of an onsite Army project manager. Oakridge was run by Tennessee Eastman (Division of Eastman Kodak) while Hanford was built, operated, and managed by DuPont. Eugene Wigner and Enrico Fermi provided designs for the reactors at Hanford and supervised the startup operations which included solving the xenon poisoning problem.
Another way to look at the differences between the black & white and color scenes is that they're a series of cause and effect. they're labeled "Fusion" and "Fission" respectively. Later we learn that in order to create the H-Bomb that they need to initiate the detonation process with a fission explosion (cause) that creates a fusion explosion (effect).
that’s what i was thinking too! 😮 another way i looked into the objective/subjective perspectives part i dont really agree, it felt like fusion scenes were heavily colour blinded black and white perspective of strauss who was so self absorbed, thinking in only one reason why oppenheimer was against him… in fact not objective at all but just colourless because he was so focused on his personal grudge against oppenheimer whereas fusion coloured scenes were the scenes where truth gets revealed many emotions fuming, many perspectives, many conversations, many arguments
Oppenheimer is a masterpiece. It is a complex and challenging film, but it is also a deeply rewarding one. Christopher Nolan has crafted a film that is both visually stunning and intellectually stimulating. Cillian Murphy gives a tour-de-force performance as J. Robert Oppenheimer, and the supporting cast is also excellent. The film begins with Oppenheimer's early life as a promising young physicist, and then follows him through his work on the Manhattan Project, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the aftermath of the war. Nolan does an excellent job of conveying the scale and destructive power of the atomic bomb, and he also does a great job of exploring the moral dilemmas that arise when we wield such destructive power. Oppenheimer is not an easy film to watch, but it is an important one. It is a film that forces us to confront the dark side of science, and the potential consequences of our actions. It is a film that will stay with you long after you have seen it. I highly recommend Oppenheimer to anyone who is interested in history, science, or cinema. It is a film that is sure to challenge and inspire you. Rating: 5 out of 5 stars
I also struggled with the scale of the Trinity test representation. The thing that made me change views was taking into consideration that it was supposed to be from 10 miles away which meant it was an absolutely massive thing to witness while it was still dark out.
saw the movie last nite & fascinated by all the history & politic ~ spent my day researching the history & discovered that the trinity bomb was more powerful than the one dropped on hiroshima ~ On July 16, the Trinity Test, nicknamed “Gadget,” detonated near Alamogordo, New Mexico. The total yield of the explosion was 21 kilotons, more than 1.5 times larger than the Hiroshima bomb.
I heard a couple movie goers say they were disappointed Nolan didn't depict the bombings on Japan. I thought to myself, "well, this movie went right over your head, didn't it?"
The nation asked him to unlock a fundamental force of the universe, and when he did it dawned on him just where it'd take humans. He was not only deeply disturbed by the bombs use, but he saw the coming arms race with Edward tellar pushing to build the hydrogen bomb. Oppenheimers opposition to the development of bigger and bigger weapons, led to his ousting from government nuclear research. In less than 20 years from the first nuclear weapon the soviet union detonated the Tsar bomba a 50 megaton hydrogen thermonuclear bomb, still the largest man made explosion and thousands of times more powerful than the bombs dropped on Japan. And now our political leaders flipantly talk about the use of tactical nukes proving we've learned nothing
The scientists brought the idea of an atomic bomb to the government. It was not an idea of the military or anyone in the government. The government did not force the scientists to work on the atomic bomb - they willingly participated. The idea of an arms race was first brought up by Leo Szilard, not Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer did not sign or support the Franck Report. Oppenheimer lobbied for further development of fission weapons as being more practical than fusion weapons, so he was not against the use of nuclear weapons until much later in his life.;
@@buckhorncortez ok sorry I forgot nuance doesn't exist anymore. Once the feds / Roosevelt were made aware by the letter written by szilard and signed by Einstein describing a nuclear bomb, they sent General Leslie Groves and he hired Oppenheimer to lead the Manhattan project. Know what you are talking about before you start correcting anyone
@@buckhorncortez Actually the Germans brought the advancement that U.S Physicists connected with a bomb. Knowing the enemy had no remorse for humans made Oppenheimer’s task much simpler. If he didn’t they would’ve, With Heisenberg and other great minds behind their project it was crucial to finish it fast. If you caught the part during the film where they get help from the man who saw the german bomb, They made a mistake in the construction of the bomb that made catching up to them on time possible. I leave you with this, If he didn’t make it who would’ve? It’s been over 75 years since the detonation of the Fat Man and the Little Boy, So it has served its purpose in maintaining peace. Would it have been more worth it in your opinion to have lost countless more soldiers invading the beaches of Japan? (These Soldiers were somebodies Son, Friend, Loved One)
The part that you're missing is how deranged and power hungry oppenheimer was from day 1. He wanted power, resources, and the ability to do whatever he wanted. This is why when approached about the Manhattan project, he immediately got into his plans and how he would do it, because he desperately wanted the power. He wanted to drop the bombs on japan because he knew what it would do for his career. The dude was a communist piece of shit. His whore of a wife was a communist piece of shit. As a human being, oppenheimer was a shit bag. And that showed in his work.
You don't fully understand Oppenheimer's stance on the hydrogen bomb. He thought it was a waste of money because it really couldn't be used tactically. Making very large explosions to level huge areas doesn't make sense in fighting a war. Instead of hydrogen bombs, Oppenheimer was promoting more sophisticated fission bombs which he felt would be more applicable for military use. In some ways, he was ahead of his time with that idea. The U.S. has no megaton bombs in its arsenal. Today the "dial a yield" type bomb is preferred where the explosive level can be set for the target. The largest bomb in the U.S. arsenal is 475 kilotons and the megaton bombs have been decommissioned and taken out of service. As an interesting side note, the Pantex Plant near Amarillo, TX was the assembly facility for nuclear weapons. Its main function today is disassembling nuclear weapons - or "de-militarizing" the bombs they made previously.
Astute point about how this fits into Nolan's theme of escalation. In fact, the third act of Oppenheimer versus Strauss demonstrates how Mutually Assured Destruction isn't the deterrent it's meant to be. If one side ever becomes convinced they can get away with destroying the other side and survive, then the bombs will rain down.
You got it! That was a major point that gets missed. Also that it started with a tiny misunderstanding of what Opp said to Einstein. That moment blew up, like an atomic bomb😉
Seen it today at the famous TCL Chinese theatre in Hollywood on IMAX 70MM and it was insane. Despite the fact we lost audio after oppy gave his speech after the bomb. The movie played for a solid 4 mins with no audio. We were all looking around in the theater confused and they eventually got it up and running again. Nevertheless, awesome film. Seeing the bomb go off in true IMAX was stunning.
@@eflyz4880 bruh they literally rewinded the film and played that scene again and it had no audio for maybe 20 secs but we were watching the movie for like 4 mins with no audio.
@@ayeshasiddiqua2059no. They mentioned it was during his speech _after_ the bomb scene. That scene had a lot of sound due to Oppenheimer’s anxiety over what the bomb will lead To.
This subject means a lot to me. I wrote the most important poem of my life about it, and was so moved that I took the trip to Trinity site, recorded myself reading my poem at the obelisk, then drove to Los Alamos to complete my day. I consider this film to be one of the most important films I've ever seen. While the tells of one of the two most important moments in mankind's history, (the other site being unvisitable on our lunar satellite) it reveals how the pettiness of human emotions can destroy the greatest of achievements. It is a condition that repeats itself throughout history. (See Alan Turing). The most damaged of people, like Roy Cohn, (the insanity behind McCarthy) and Lewis Strauss, put into positions of power by the vote of uneducated and uninformed constituents, can destroy those who, for one reason or another, are the focus of their wrath. Fortunately, Strauss did not receive his ultimate goal, he damaged the image of an American hero. We have such brilliant people who escape the proper recognition for ages, but in the end are seen for what they are. Tesla (hidden by Edison's ego); Turing (hidden for security reasons and buried for his personal choices); Oppenheimer (politics and fear) ... the list goes on and on. We need to heed this film, as politics today are in a space race to the satellite of ignorance to plant their flag for future generations to discover the greed and self interest in which it is being performed. See this brilliant film!!!
Frankly, that seems a little pretentious. Are you saying you were so moved by your own poem? I think there's more humble ways of paying tribute to the victims. I mean, I agree with all of your conclusions of history and the film and the need for the film. Although, through various biographies I think Turing was murdered, not driven to suicide because he was caught in a homosexual relationship. Which raises his case to a different level. I just thing you should play down your own poetry a bit here. I really think it would be better for you in a social way.
@@squirlmy Too bad you don't like my feelings. It was not written as a tribute to anybody, and certainly not the victims. But I guess it's not pretentious of you to comment on it having absolutely no idea what it's about or how it was written. Humility has nothing to do with it ... and yes, I was moved by it. You, obviously, are not a writer.
I really feel the film will take the Oscars for directing, editing, sound, and best actor and supporting actor. I personally love Nolan, but I thought it would be tough for him to adapt American Prometheus, for which the movie is based and is a great read. But it's a long book. One should read it if you've seen and enjoyed the movie.
Just got done watching the movie maybe 30 minutes ago in theaters. This was the most phenomenal movie I have ever seen. Absolutely phenomenal... I enjoyed it even more, understanding almost all of the concepts and scientific happenings in the movie. And the way people didn't immediately pull out their phones after the movie ended.... That response from the crowd gave me chills.
Frank Oppenheimer was also a physicist, not a psychiatrist. While he was blacklisted for a very long while (where he founded those science museums for kids) , he eventually was redeemed, and welcomed back to academia. As for Robert, while his undergrad was in chemistry, he was hardly a chemist for long.
hot take: I LOVED the 3rd act! Emily Blunt SHINED in it and her lines were delivered perfectly. I need a down ass woman like Mrs. Oppiana in my life fr
Just came back from the theater. I remember having nightmares as a kid for about ten years when I first learned about the fates of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki victims, and I hope this doesn't trigger them again, as the pondside scene brought me an overwhelming sense of dread. I told my son that I didn't want him to see this with me, but that I hope someday I will be able to talk to him about it. I just hope we have a world left where that conversation can happen.
This movie is hard to digest but I knew it had potential. Shame that in my opinion, the majority of audiences won't easily understand the writing. I'd have to watch it again, hopefully by then I'd have an easier time understanding it.
Great analysis! Just watched it last night - and yes, pun completely intended, I was blown away! I've long been fascinated with Chemistry, especially the nuclear side (enough so that it was a minor in my academics - more on metallurgy, but still, the interest of all things radioactive remains). I was already quite familiar with the development of the bomb, but not the person(s) behind it. The way this movie plays out is brilliant. No, I did not even notice the 3 hour run time as I was enthralled and engaged the entire time. I don't think there is much that could be trimmed from this to shorten it. The acting was absolutely superb (kudos to Cillian Murphy - I liked him before, LOVE him now! He seemed completely absorbed in the role!). Music, visuals...it was all there. This movie also really stayed in my head afterwards. The thought of how we, as humans, can create such beauty, but also destruction. How scientific advancement, no matter how noble and in service to humanity it may be or seem, can be twisted and applied by powers outside the science community to such evil. I left the theatre in a very contemplative and reflective, almost sad, mood because of this. I will certainly watch this again! 10 out of 10 - a definite masterpiece!
The "spoiler warning" for this movie is funny to me, he's telling us about something that happened decades ago. It's not a spoiler warning, it's a history lesson recap.
Truman thought 100000 more of our GIs would die if we were to invade Japan. In the long run he figured it saved lives. What people do not understand is back then they made the best decision at the time not for our time
Although the movie was in fact immersive, I agree it felt too long could have cut things out. The score was fantastic when it was on. It feels like a big part of the movie was to showcase the arms race of nuclear tech. It would have been great to see shots (even archival) of H-Bombs to show where we are really at. Nuclear weapons should always be horrifying. It would have really driven home that this problem has not left us.
Same. I felt the first third of the movie was a bit erratic; I felt like I was watching a 50-60 min, movie trailer, for the rest of the movie. The music was great, but it was scouted like a trailer. The scene cuts felt like they were intentionally trying to remove context, not wanting to give away too much - like a movie trailer. It ended up just creating some confusion trying to figure out what was going on and what the director was trying to show with the black and white, and the clipped scenes.
Great video, and as always very informative. One thing to note is that the subjectivity and objectivity Nolan talks about with the black and white is not that one was "probably true and the other fact" The scenes filmed with color como from a subjective pov, meaning that it is what Oppenheimer lived and comes from HIS perspective (those scenes were written in the 1st person) The black and white scenes are the ones from the perspective of other people towards him (objectively) So: B&W means he is the object of the scene while color means he is the subject
Absolutely brilliant film, IMO Nolan's best. It's important to note (and this was alluded in the film) that Japan didn't surrender bc of the bombs, but because of the Soviet invasion (and conquering) of Manchuria.
I finally just saw it. The scene where he's giving a speech in front of all the staff and the sound drowns out gave me shivers like nothing else. Nolan is a master at building and holding tension
I think the discussion around the use of or lack of visual effects is interesting. I don't think audiences care so much about CGI or not, I think people care if it's poorly done or overused. I think it's largely a backlash to how Marvel and Star Wars have been produced lately - everything gets pushed to post to the point that actors aren't even wearing costumes. And then to hide the fact that the visual effects artists are overworked and under-payed the color grading is terrible leading to everything looking like mud. BUT when Mission Impossible uses CG to erase safety harness wires or change the ramp to being a cliff with rocky terrain nobody complains because it's well done, has minimal impact and the stunt itself is real as is the location.
Nolan should’ve included the actual Hiroshima/Nagasaki Nuclear Attacks. Whether it was during or the aftermath. There is so much history and darkness but it’s something I was expecting to see. It’s the consequence of the past audience today should’ve seen.
Strongly disagree. We all know what happened and the horror of it, no need to show it. The camera focusing on Oppenheimer's face as he sees the aftermath is all that's needed. We all know in our minds the horror of what happened on that day when the bombs were dropped, just not needed to be actually shown in a film like this
I think he didn’t show it out of respect for the people who did suffer from it and he already sorta showed us from Oppenheimers visions when he was congratulating his other scientists and the lady’s face was peeling/melting off. Also he lets us use our imagination and that’s scarier then actually showing us the effect of the bomb
We saw it last night in 70mm IMax and it was very good. Looked incredible on the massive screen. Definitely one of Nolan's best in my opinion. Thanks for the breakdown vid, you answered a couple small plot/filming questions that I had.
Speaking as a scientist; the part I wish more people would hear and understand is when Oppenheimer is talking to the lab techs and scientists about the bomb: 'We see the future and it terrifies us, but they won't fear it until they understand it; but they won't understand it until they've used it.' This... disparity is what has made me the saddest as a scientist in my particular disciplines throughout Covid; we're watching this same story repeat itself as we enter not the atomic age, but the molecular.
The Manhattan Project was a continuation of the British "Tube Alloys" the Worlds first nuclear weapons project. As Britain was at war and resources limited, Henry Tizard took the research material to the United States in August 1940. This resulted in the MIT Radiation Laboritory being set up. The Quebec Agreement was signed in 1942 which was were Tube Alloys became a joint Manhattan Project. Oppenheimer was no more than the project manager. Though later he and the US Government took full credit, breaking the agreement and freezing the British out in 1945.
Comparing the explosion to the trinity test footage, it actually looks remarkably comparable for something done with practical effects. Trinity was an atom bomb, but people need to remember that it was very small compared to the newer hbomb footage that many have seen today. It was actually framed similarly to the various cameras that captured the event as well. Im glad he held back and kept it as real as possible.
They didn't have to develop special cameras for black and white, an analog camera can film on whatever film you can fit into it. They did, however, have to develop the first black-and-white IMAX 70mm film stock.
कालोऽस्मि लोकक्षयकृत् वृद्धो लोकान्समाहर्तुमिह प्रवृत्तः॥ Sanskrit Verse from Bhagavad Gita (Chapter 11, Verse 32) Meaning: I am terrible time the destroyer of all beings in all worlds, engaged to destroy all beings in this world Oppenheimer's interpretation: "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds"
I loved it too.. it made me want to understand the political context more clearly and then go and see it again. I was also blown away.. pun intended.. the long pause between the brilliant light of the explosion and the devastating noise of it was so powerful.. Amazing cast.. AMAZING story… Loved the role his wife played at the end.. I loved it But I was so sad at the end of it.. wondering if he was right.. 😢
1:30 - *Thank You* for getting this right! So many people think Oppenheimer came up with this, but in reality, he was quoting a slightly scuffed translation (which he translated by himself btw) of Hindu scripture. A translation that, imo, actually derails what the scripture was trying to get across. And even extra points for providing an, imo, more accurate translation 👏👏👏
I probably won’t ever see this movie because of the fact that I did research on Oppenheimer some years ago. I’ve read more than enough of him and many others involved in the Manhattan Project. The movie will not replaced what I read and comprehended on this. It’s intriguing, scary and haunting in what it took to bring in an era such as this.
There is some sloppy narration in this video. O's brother was NOT a psychiatrist - he was a physicist. It's not Los Al-manos ... it's Los Ala-mos. Accuracy matters in non-fiction & documentaries.
it wasn't President Lyndon, it was President Lyndon Baines Johnson, or LBJ as was commonly used in the media at the time of his administration. He was a conservative Democrat who reluctantly took office after the Kennedy assassination. Although a traditional Southern Democrat, which were usually very conservative by nature, he made it his mission to complete as many of Kennedy's more progressive and liberal goals as possible, eventually becoming more of a progressive himself. (This eventually would lead to a major Republican in the South) Unfortunately and ironically, that also meant escalating the Vietnam crisis into a full fledged war, which is why he never ran to complete a third term in 1968.
He didn’t make it his mission. Those initiatives had been talked about so were expected; let’s be honest with the truth. LBJ was no JFK. I’m looking forward to seeing this film.
Just a brief correction. Frank Oppenheimer like his older brother Robert was a physicist NOT a psychologist. In fact he lost his professorship from U of Minnesota because of his former communist party membership. Unable to get a teaching job he eventually became a cattle rancher in Colorado. After about 10 years he once again began teaching - this time high school. He eventually got a professorship in physics at the University of Colorado. You are correct that he founded a museum- the Exploratorium in San Frisco.
I feel like the Kennedy name drop was subtly planting the seed that perhaps Stauss had a role in his assassination because he voted against his appointment. Oppenheimer's wife did say that a vindictive person is a patient person, and he was certainly shown as being very good at pulling strings and manipulating a situation...
I thought the movie moved well. It was about Oppenheimer, not the Trinity test or the Manhattan Project. Nolan also showed what the government can do to destroy an individual.
You made it sound like the warning leaflets were delivered before Hiroshima, but it was only after the 1st bomb and before the 2nd. "On the day after the bombing of Hiroshima" 9:20
Fantastic movie. I like (well, in my point of view) how General Groves makes it clear when they meet for the first time that Oppenheimer is just a tool. Oppenheimer kind of brushes it off, but when the project is done he realizes the truth.
I saw a tweet from a woman who was furious about this movie because her mom had been a kid living where Oppenheimer's bomb was tested. The mom got cancer, as did almost all her mom's classmates.
Yeah, they say it was just an empty piece of desert, but people were living near the bomb site. The government lied to them, giving them 24 hours to vacate their homes and farms. Their farms were seized, livestock was killed and nobody told him that when they finally returned that they were exposed to radiation. It was really fucked up.
"The tower itself was instantly reduced to atoms" No, bits of the tower remained, at the base of the tower. There is a famous photo of this, with General Groves and Oppenheimer inspecting the area, wearing goofing plastic foot coverings. As to why all parts of the tower were not vaporized in a millisecond, we offer the following very important two words: Weapons Effects. Happy Googling!
Very well done. My wife and I just now finished the film and I went right to my computer for reviews, landing here. The film was necessarily long but did not feel that way. I was born 8 days before the Hiroshima. It feels affirming now to see things I heard on the radio. explained so well, knowing what I had lived through so unwittingly. The film deals with the destructive consequences of fear and ignorance. It repeatedly drives home the realization that the accidental (or deliberate?) flip of a switch, our world can end. We had to build "the 'A' bomb". Otherwise our adversaries would have done it first and because it would end the destruction and killing. Eighty million people had died in seven years. That's over 10-million a year, and the rate of killing had reached a crescendo with events like Dresden and the fire-bombing of Tokyo. Oppenheimer did the right thing. Given his talents, patriotism and knowledge, he had no other choice.
I don’t wanna sound corny but the end of the movie made me to start hyperventilating and having a sorta panic attack. I’ve never had a reaction like that with any other movie. I don’t think that the actual movie was Nolan’s best film, but the ideas and philosophy of it made people more aware of these weapons of mass destruction, and gave us a deep fear of them.
It’s always the ordinary unfortunate people on the ground who suffer most. Women, children, the elderly, and the sick. “While the killers in high places say their prayers aloud”.
The movie does an incredible job of showing “it’s either us or them” and how that mindset drove the project in times of doubt and friction. Gave me a sense of patriotism while simultaneously making me realize the magnitude of nuclear weapons. Just an unbelievable movie, so many small details and I can’t wait to rewatch it
@@squirlmy hindsight is 20/20, the time period of the Manhattan project and the subsequent Cold War made everyone proud to be American. I don’t understand how you could sit there and be upset we were the first to be successful, would you have rather it been the other way?
My daughter and I saw it yesterday. It is an incredibly complex movie. But if you watch it closely through the entire movie, it is amazing. I expect it will win awards. I do agree it’s not for everyone.
Not ashamed to say, the movie moved me to tears. This movie is a tough angle; the cruelty of the atomic bomb wasn’t the main theme of the movie. Instead it argues that moral was inconsequential to the scientists as they pursued scientific discovery, but its the effect births moral dilemma & persecution. Is it justified? We now know how bad the atomic bomb is now, but who could clearly, at the time, understand the balance of success vs guilt over something they have never seen a precedent of before they launched the bomb? And who could predict how people would perceive the thing they had created? This movie is so incredibly heavy and if it wasn’t for the weird stares I got in the cinema, I would’ve been sobbing a lot longer 😂. Truly, one of the best movies I’ve ever seen.
One of the best bio pics in recent years. Superb movie great performances and fairly close to the actual story. A few embellishments and events presented in the wrong time order but overall really really great
The movie had several other major characters other than Oppenhiemer that I felt it was also about major organs of our society, ie the scientist, military, and politicians. Each of these groups think about the same challenge from different perspectives and neither group can say their motivations are any better than the other
Oppenheimer defended the use of the bombs on Japan right up to his death. He rarely, if ever, came off as "conflicted". He stuck to the "Hiroshima narrative" all the way.
Check out our full breakdown of the movie here - ua-cam.com/video/SztuJavmcCY/v-deo.htmlsi=H9DCk7bmH1K0AKHn
What I love from Oppenheimer is the sound. I love how the soundtrack able to convey the emotion of Robert after his creation blown up Hiroshima and Nagasaki and killing thousands of innocent people.
That part made me uncomfortable when watching. That’s a compliment to the film makers.
Score* not soundtrack
@@Mr.Marvelous.Media. Yes. Thank you for the correction. I admit, my vocabs in English is kinda lacking.
@@ryanpratama5635 no problem 😉🙏 and yes I totally agree with you
@@Lavonda_ It makes you feel quite dirty. But the devil was in either choice. Not use it and risk that another million lives are claimed in the years to come, or 100,000 casualties from a single bomb meant to end the war. But the Japs were so damn loyal, the US was forced to drop another. That actually confirms the choice they made was the lesser of two evils. Had they not used the bomb the war would have dragged on for years and years claiming a lot more lives than the bombs did.
I totally get Oppenheimer. I've known his (nearly) full story for 30 years, and have had the time to really chew down on it. And I get it. And sometimes a tear will roll down my cheek from it.
Ironic that his creation has not destroyed the world yet, but it destroyed Oppenheimer himself in an instant when he realized what he had done. In essence, that was the main way the bomb had succeeded in it's mission. And we haven't used one since, and Unless an evil axis really wants to, I don't think they ever will be used against ourselves.
That all said, I think the US govt should have released an official warning to Japan, and given them the footage of the trinity explosion. So they could have made a choice before any bomb was dropped. Not that I think it would have made any difference, but the choice would have been available. That is the only big shortcoming on the US side, as far as I am concerned.
the fact that this movie has more cameos than avengers endgame is astounding
Yes, Gary Oldman as Truman was the biggest surprise for me. And the actor that played Doctor/Professor Rabi looked familiar too, just couldn’t put my finger on it…who is that?
@@DavidDatura I think you are referring to Kenneth Branagh, who himself appears in both Tenet and Dunkirk. Hell even Josh from Drake and Josh was in this movie, lots of actors would give their left nut for a tiny role on a Nolan movie
From Wonder years to Batman...Josh Harnett is on this cast!! Superb!
I can’t remember his name but it took me ages to realise the prosecutor in Oppenheimers hearing wasn’t played by the same guy who played Chandler in Friends 😂
This movie has zero cameos
I saw this today, and I have to say that Nolan outdid himself. I did not expect him to get better as a director. The speech scene after dropping the bomb - it compiled AND individually delivered each and every element of human emotion and nuclear weaponry at the same time.
The Florence Pugh nude scenes were greatly appreciated too 😂
I loved how all the fans in the stands were stomping their feet… loud like a bomb… and it was loud enough that it drown out everything else… symbolizing that his mind too is nothing but the thoughts of what he did
@@amac8487the foot stomping reminded me of the gestapo
@amac8487 yes, it was reminiscent of those frenzied Hitler rallies
I think that scene also depicted how easy it is to get drawn into patriotic fervour when you are able to compartmentalize and "abstract out" the reality of the situation. I think most of us can do that kind of thing automatically. The same brain that made Oppenheimer the man for the job would not allow him to separate himself from that stark reality . Even Oppenheimer played his role, but the film makes it seem he was acutely aware of what he was doing in that scene. He was more similar to the scientist puking his brains out.
I got teary eyes when he had inner conflict during his speech that he experienced depersonalization and hallucinations. The movie was just so beautifully made I teared up. What a masterpiece
I had an extremely emotional response to them testing the bomb. I felt like I was in the room with them anxious as hell, then as soon as you see the bright white light, the emotion changes more to a “what have we done?” Considering how it would shape the next 60 years of world history.
I left wanting to cry but couldn’t in front of my family. It’s a masterpiece, must watch in big screen
I shed a few tears during the movie too. I left the theater with an overwhelming feeling of heartbreak that I still can’t shake or explain days later. Fantastic film.
As a child of the fifties and the cold war, that scene also very impactful to me. I instantly remembered the fear in our everyday life during cold war; the emergency broadcast system, knowing where the public shelters were and the dreams I used to have of the planes flying over, the bombs dropping and me lying in a ditch. And realizing this really happened to people doing the daily business. The atom bomb was more monumental, but the mass bombings of London and Dresden and even in Vietnam had the same real impact on those lives that were destroyed, or at least forever altered, in an instant. The hydrogen bomb is the only weapon we ever invented that has not been used in war, and I, like Oppenheimer, hope it never will.
@@bobgreenwald8715 beautifully put
This is Nolan’s masterpiece. I watched it in 70mm and now it is lengthy but the visuals. The acting. Just beyond amazing. Mind you no cgi and first time filming in black and white with IMAX cameras
And the sound!!!
I saw it in 70mm too. The sound design was the star for me.
so jealous!!!! wish i could’ve seen it in 70mm
It was so boring
@@Lavonda_ you the star of these comments lol
"Is it actually spoiler if its history?" this is just gold
For too many people it is a spoiler, unfortunately
stupid people then....
"OH no, Hitler dies? You just ruined the movie for me"
sort of like watching Titanic & a little of Once upon a time in holiwood ~ knowing & waiting ~ waiting & knowing ~
Great cover up on the US atomic spies and how they provided the secrets to Stalin-USSR.
Just gotten home from the cinema. Feel like I'm in shock. Still digesting it all. All I can say is it was exceptional. Appreciate your thoughts and review. Think this one will be with me for a few days.
My thoughts exactly, what a movie.
watch the movie Fat Man and Little Boy 1989
What is more amazing is how little of a sh*t you gave about the Japanese people killed or injured in the US bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...until you watched a movie in 2023. Bit sad really.
Seeing Niles Bohr get his shine was beautiful even if half of the filmgoers miss why thats important.
@@randyschwaggins in what way does he imply this??? Or are you speculating??
A day later I’m still shook. Trying to comprehend the magnitude of what Oppi experienced. Absolute timeless masterpiece
You're "still shook..." Gee...couldn't you find something even more trite to say..? "Shook"...yeah...I know you want to follow the crowd and use the latest hip past participle of the word shake...but, it's truly annoying...
@@buckhorncortezdamn chill out 😂😂 ain't no way fr fr 💀
Are you OK now? I'm really concerned that you aren't suffering too much after watching a movie
@@buckhorncortez I Know a grammar Nazi when I see one, and the bucknocortex.... * stabs finger at him *
Seriously, what pissed you off this morning? Seeing your wife's sleeping face?
@@randyschwaggins ofc lol I'm just a filmmaker myself so more so enthralled in how Nolan created it all, like all of his films.
I don’t know how to describe the film honestly. It impacted me so much unexpectedly, it made me so uncomfortable that my instinct is to call it a bad movie but if someone else were to say that I’d feel the need to defend it. I left the theater feeling so lethargic afterwards, I’ve never been impacted by any movie like that before. Definitely a 10/10 and the ending is terrifying how close we toe that line today.
Same here kinda. I know it is a great movie but I didn’t really enjoy it as much as I wanted to. It’s amazing in almost every aspect but I might have to digest it fully to really appreciate it
Haha same. I was too, a bit disappointed in the first half but as it picked up and the way it ended. I was very, very taken a back. Idk how I feel. I am still taking it in, it's 4am right now and it's still keeping me up
@@Top_Hat_Walrusyou’re not supposed to “like” it is my thing. It’s a warning to us in the present, to be wary of the past.
You explained this perfectly! Exactly the way I felt leaving the theater, the more I sit and think about what I just watched makes me appreciate the film that much more.
I felt the same way. I honestly stayed up until 3 am after watching it just researching everything and digesting all that I saw. It was very thought provoking but also overstimulating. I just can’t fully describe the feeling it gave me.
Much has been made of the 3 hour runtime, but actually the pace of the film is frenetic, especially in the first hour as we gallop through introductions of significant characters and Oppenheimer's backstory and complex motivations. Nolan handles these with his trademark time-travelling quick cuts that set up for big pay offs in Act III. From there he masterfully racks the tension up to almost unbearable levels for the actual Trinity test at the 2 hour mark. You might wonder what could possibly top that, but Nolan delivers a complex web of intrigue and back-stabbing that would make Tyrion Lannister's head spin. The finale is delivered with such a breathtaking gut-punch that you'll find yourself, even days later, wondering what happened to the oxygen in the room. If Nolan, Murphy and Downey don't clean sweep the Oscars for this bravura tour de force, then the Academy simply don't have pulses.
well said.
I agree. I now hope Napoleon and Dune will come out late 2024 as I fear Nolan will wipe Villeneuve and R Scott.
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Most beautifully written comment ever
The academy WILL want to screw this as the writer is also the director in a time when writers are on strike with the attitude "you directors need us".
But this could be a movie like Patton that could sweep the oscars in 1973 at the height of anti-war sentiment.
Being a history nerd means I know the story already. I've started enjoying your breakdowns before watching movies now. I feel bad for people like Oppenheimer. He probably honestly thought he was going to end all wars, but, lol, little did he know how terrible we as people can be.
The law of unintended consequences is a mofo man
Oppenheimer wanted to build an atomic bomb before Germany. That was his motivation. He found out about Hahn and Strassmann's experiment in January 1939 and refused to believe it. Luis Alvarez set up an experiment the next day and called Oppenheimer to observe the results. Within a week, Phillip Morrison remembered walking into Oppenheimer’s office and seeing on the blackboard, “a drawing - a very bad drawing an execrable drawing - of a bomb.”
Feeling bad for him his is wild lol
@@isattathecreator He did realize that he plucked up. I wouldnt feel bad for him if he was happy that he killed all those innocent people.
@@keirangrant1607even 20 years ago people the age you are now had different worldviews. Going back to a 41 year old in 1945, we cannot ever truly understand his motivations about how he felt about how a bomb would affect people. Even his opposition to the H bomb was to do with the use of resources that would otherwise be used for conventional weapons, with no guarantee the H bomb would work, or could work, and if it might not, Soviet Russia might take this as an "empty threat" and use a H bomb of their own. "General public" these days doesn't have to think to much about our moral idealism surrounding weapons because we are in general not conscripted, and are not in a life or death struggle for the existence of our countries, we farm this out to our military and dump it on our politicians to make the best of two bad situations, so of course people then had a different mindframe
Maybe he should've taken some history classes to know how terrible people can be. It's really common sense bc it's found in the history of ALL civilizations.
What blows my mind is that what oppenheimer knew about about quantum mechanics, is still about 95% of what the best physicists in quantum mechanics know today, 80 years later!
Point is, the brunt of the material was learned very early on, and we've just been searching for the missing pieces ever since. And we've only found a tiny fraction of those missing pieces as of today.
Yeah but he got it all from Heisenberg and just introduced it to the USA, he was not very good at the maths, Heisenberg made a comment about this once, when Oppenheimer was at Goettingen
@@mrsrjlupin3650a lot of scientists funny enough hate math which I didn’t know.
@@mrsrjlupin3650 I think what you consider "not very good at math" is not on par with what the average global level of maths education is. They were both extremely studious and mathematically proficient, being Physics majors.
@@netoobioha6317 a lot of scientists like things to work practically and sometimes practicality and theoretical mathematical reasoning do not go together
@@bar4804 oh yes no, I mean compared to Heisenberg and the like
Intense movie. Really well done. And I really liked the Trinity bomb drop scene. Almost no sound other than breathing,etc, lulled into a sense of "did they cut out all the sound"... then delayed 💥 . Perfect timing by Nolan.
Realistically you won’t hear the explosion until after impact. It was shot perfect 😌
'Cause light travel faster than sound...
It's a dramatic delay of the sound wave. Even though its a long pause, that whole moment is probably just a few seconds of delay before the sonic boom.
My grandfather was a skunkworks engineer back during the war. He told me about how casually the material was treated... including someone he knew going through a box of old records some years later, and discovering someone had just casually tossed a couple of test rods (small cylinders of radioactive material) loose in the bottom of the box...
Those were the days.... Radiation poisoning was just like a flu back then, go home for 7 days and come back, Nothing to it.
source???
@@alexiocatan5602 source: a 97 year old rocket scientist
@@alexiocatan5602literally read the dudes comments 😂
Yes! There were so many employees in Los Alamos that got cancer from radiation, that they had a compensation program for them, including healthcare. My ex-fiance got treatment for cancer and was awarded 100K. I hated (and loved) Los Alamos. But I'm glad I'm gone. I refused drinking the water there! And I had a patient in LA show up one day in his radiation suit! I didn't refuse him care, but I was so freaked out! That was in about 2010, so the carelessness, I believe is a constant issue.
A few people loughed, a few people cried but most of them were silent.
J. Robert Oppenheimer
Thank you Paul ...you moving into movies other than superhero movies is what many of your contemporaries since Ironman cannot do. You're exposing yourself as a true movie and entertainment critic and we're the better for it.
Thank you that’s really kind of you to say
@@heavyspoilers I saw it last night and it's as you describe...I think your 2001 comment was spot on. I also think it's one of those movies you let wash over you in one sitting as an event, maybe not to intensely review but rather experience and then take time to put the experience into thought. Have to give it to Nolan...his movies do tend to make you think about them years after you saw them. Hope your audience can take more of these long-form discussions because they're really thought-provoking and smart.
I get why some people are calling it boring , there is a looot of dialogue that can become monotonous to keep up with ,but as an autobiography adaptation ,it really did wipe the floor
Ppl are just stupid nowadays so just let the idiots go watch the Barbie trash woke movie then
There is so much action and intensity in theese dialogues. There are just no explosions and superheroes.
I have no idea how anyone could have found it boring
@@FateDelamorte Some people just are not good with words, including listening. If there are too many words, their brain will overload and stop listening. After that they'll be just bored waiting for the discussion to end.
Only stupid people think it boring
The film's packed supporting cast gives stellar performances as well.
Gary Oldman as Truman truly gripped me, even he's just in for that one scene. What he said to Oppenheimer is kinda chilling, spoken like a true politician.
Jack Quaid was pretty well-casted too, given his role, Dr Richard Feynman is also a playful character, playing his bongos all the time, which keeps reminding me of Sheldon from TBBT and his resemblance to his personal hero - Dr Richard Feynman.
Also, surprised to see Kenneth Branagh as Niels Bohr, I heard that at a theatre in Copenhagen, people cheered everytime he's on screen or Niels Bohr was mentioned.
That was Gary Oldman?!
Fuck me .. as per usual...now you say it I can see it but that guy is a human chameleon!
@@jgreen2015 To be fair though, kinda similar to his portrayal of Churchill in "Darkest Hour", so you can say he's got practice.
@@jgreen2015 I had to look it up when I got out of the cinema, that was a surprise - so was Tom Conti as Einstein!
Having visited both the Trinity Test Site and the Hanford Site, I was hoping the film would depict how the work of the different sites was ultimately coordinated into making the finished product. I was also hoping to learn something of Oppenheimer's thought process--he was both brilliant and also deeply flawed. But most of the film focused on the efforts by Strauss to discredit Oppenheimer and end his career. It was McCarthyism with a twist of personal vendetta. While this was big blow in Oppenheimer's life, I wish more of the film had been devoted to how the project was done and Oppenheimer's brilliant but flawed genius, and less on the personal vendetta.
I think they did fairly focus on that. Also to focus on his work too much would make it a scientific documentary route rather than what the film did which was to place oppenheimer and the consequences of his work in the social and political context of one of the most turbulent few decades of modern history. It matters. Focusing too much on the isolated brilliance of the scienctific mind that he was is exactly what has resulted in science yielding dreadful consequences for us. Advancement and progress has to be measured not just by their brilliance but what they mean for the regular folk who will be impacted in good ways or bad. Like the character of kitty says. You cannot committ a sin knowing full well you are sinning and then get to shun it's consequences when they come back for you. The movie never set out to present Oppenheimer the brilliant scientist but Oppenheimer the man who happened to be a brilliant scientist.
Having a movie place it's subject in the times in which the events unfolded we must understand the times in which this movie is being released which makes the personal vendetta angle quite impactful and perfectly timed. It's a very mirror like portrayal of the current polarizing times in which we the viewers of this film are currently existing. Nolan places his subject against the backdrop of his times while placing the viewers against the backdrop of their own social and political climates. Something to be said of the circular nature of man's tendencies to not learn from the flaws of the great men in the past.
I very much agree with you man
I find it funny how people look back on "mccarthyism". You could have had your thoughts on it back then, but in 2023 I think you need to be blind not to see that Mccarthy was 1000000% correct about what was happening to the country, and his viewpoint should have been national policy. We not have members of congress who are proud socialist/communist.
I think you can find documentaries on this
I agree with you, and this movie really suffered for it. The people that like this movie like to watch C-SPAN all day because that's literally what most of this movie was and ugly politics. I don't care he was a bad father or a womanizer or potential communist, I wanted to learn more about the process of making the bomb and what it took to achieve it, not this boring drivel.
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He didn't expel the jewish scientists that a lie.
Einstein was Jewish.
Hitler didn't khs that's a lie.
They wanted the bomb. The regular humans did not.
How is the film being greeted in Japan?
I felt the same way about the Kennedy name drop. Had me thinking there could be a Christopher Nolan Kennedy movie in the works but that was just a thought.
My husband and I saw the movie today! We are 76 and and 77 so this occurred before we were born! We thought the film was incredible and the 3 hours flew by! I was warned that it might be hard to hear some dialogue because Nolan doesn’t dub on voices and that proved to be true! So I will look forward to watch it as a stream so I can CC it! The acting was perfection, so many stars! I will watch the stream many times to see things that I missed previously!!
Fantastic movie. Loved how the 3 stories work to catch up woth eachother and intersect at the end. Fantastic story telling. But the famous quote was CRAZY how they used it 😭
There were three stories. What a bad film b
I got lost. Should of read book first.
A Nolan masterpiece. Likely win many awards including for Cillian Murphy and Robert Downey Jr. Never felt like 3 hours.
As an Indonesian, we kinda owe our gaining of independence to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but it’s still incredibly sad to think how many people died for the price of freedom..
Nazis, Commies woudn't have doubts and get sad if people died. They would cheer. Think about that. USA had no other choice
Including the people he and his fellow scientists stole the land from displaced and poisoned their water. May the forever pay for their crimes against humanity.
Agree
Slight correction: Oppenheimer was not the head of the Manhattan Project, even though most attribute the project to him solely. He was only responsible for the bomb delivery system developed at Los Alamos Laboratory. He would have never been entrusted with the entire project because of the communist affiliation of his wife, brother, and most of his close friends, although he himself was never a communist.
So rarely do you find straight-up facts in a comment section. Your comment is 100% correct and with no bias. The only thing I could add is that Oppenheimer did contribute $1,000 a year ($23k in 2023) to the American Communist Party from 1937 to 1942. When asked about it, he said it was to buy ambulances for the anti-fascist forces fighting in Spain. He was then asked if he knew whether the money was used to buy ambulances or used for something else. He was stunned by the question and replied that it never occurred to him that the money would be used for something else. Sometimes the obvious escapes even the smartest people...
Anyone who works "at the lab" is not wholly responsible for any project. So, I agree with you.
Nobody attributes the Manhattan Project exclusively to him, and that's certainly not how he's portrayed in the movie. In fact, there's a big pushback going on now that seems to be working on the premise that Oppenheimer did all the work... In spite of all the other scientists that show up in the movie.
He was the project manager, though... Not just of Los Alamos, but of the work that was being done at the other sites like Hanford and the Clinton Engineer works, since they worked based on instructions from the Los Alamos lab.
Of course, the project was under the control of the army under Major General Nichols, but Nichols was not project manager in this case.
@@Falcrist Oppenheimer did not control what was going on at Hanford and Oakridge. Those facilities were managed by contractors, under the control of an onsite Army project manager. Oakridge was run by Tennessee Eastman (Division of Eastman Kodak) while Hanford was built, operated, and managed by DuPont. Eugene Wigner and Enrico Fermi provided designs for the reactors at Hanford and supervised the startup operations which included solving the xenon poisoning problem.
@@buckhorncorteztruly smart people know when to play dumb
Another way to look at the differences between the black & white and color scenes is that they're a series of cause and effect. they're labeled "Fusion" and "Fission" respectively. Later we learn that in order to create the H-Bomb that they need to initiate the detonation process with a fission explosion (cause) that creates a fusion explosion (effect).
that’s what i was thinking too! 😮 another way i looked into the objective/subjective perspectives part i dont really agree, it felt like fusion scenes were heavily colour blinded black and white perspective of strauss who was so self absorbed, thinking in only one reason why oppenheimer was against him… in fact not objective at all but just colourless because he was so focused on his personal grudge against oppenheimer whereas fusion coloured scenes were the scenes where truth gets revealed many emotions fuming, many perspectives, many conversations, many arguments
Nice analogy!
Oppenheimer is a masterpiece. It is a complex and challenging film, but it is also a deeply rewarding one. Christopher Nolan has crafted a film that is both visually stunning and intellectually stimulating. Cillian Murphy gives a tour-de-force performance as J. Robert Oppenheimer, and the supporting cast is also excellent.
The film begins with Oppenheimer's early life as a promising young physicist, and then follows him through his work on the Manhattan Project, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the aftermath of the war. Nolan does an excellent job of conveying the scale and destructive power of the atomic bomb, and he also does a great job of exploring the moral dilemmas that arise when we wield such destructive power.
Oppenheimer is not an easy film to watch, but it is an important one. It is a film that forces us to confront the dark side of science, and the potential consequences of our actions. It is a film that will stay with you long after you have seen it.
I highly recommend Oppenheimer to anyone who is interested in history, science, or cinema. It is a film that is sure to challenge and inspire you.
Rating: 5 out of 5 stars
yes and interested in politics as well ~
Agree 100%. By far one of the best movies I’ve seen and I’ve been around a long time. I wanted to learn so much more.
I also struggled with the scale of the Trinity test representation. The thing that made me change views was taking into consideration that it was supposed to be from 10 miles away which meant it was an absolutely massive thing to witness while it was still dark out.
saw the movie last nite & fascinated by all the history & politic ~
spent my day researching the history & discovered that the trinity bomb was more powerful than the one dropped on hiroshima ~
On July 16, the Trinity Test, nicknamed “Gadget,” detonated near Alamogordo, New Mexico. The total yield of the explosion was 21 kilotons, more than 1.5 times larger than the Hiroshima bomb.
I heard a couple movie goers say they were disappointed Nolan didn't depict the bombings on Japan. I thought to myself, "well, this movie went right over your head, didn't it?"
The nation asked him to unlock a fundamental force of the universe, and when he did it dawned on him just where it'd take humans. He was not only deeply disturbed by the bombs use, but he saw the coming arms race with Edward tellar pushing to build the hydrogen bomb. Oppenheimers opposition to the development of bigger and bigger weapons, led to his ousting from government nuclear research. In less than 20 years from the first nuclear weapon the soviet union detonated the Tsar bomba a 50 megaton hydrogen thermonuclear bomb, still the largest man made explosion and thousands of times more powerful than the bombs dropped on Japan. And now our political leaders flipantly talk about the use of tactical nukes proving we've learned nothing
The scientists brought the idea of an atomic bomb to the government. It was not an idea of the military or anyone in the government. The government did not force the scientists to work on the atomic bomb - they willingly participated. The idea of an arms race was first brought up by Leo Szilard, not Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer did not sign or support the Franck Report. Oppenheimer lobbied for further development of fission weapons as being more practical than fusion weapons, so he was not against the use of nuclear weapons until much later in his life.;
@@buckhorncortez ok sorry I forgot nuance doesn't exist anymore. Once the feds / Roosevelt were made aware by the letter written by szilard and signed by Einstein describing a nuclear bomb, they sent General Leslie Groves and he hired Oppenheimer to lead the Manhattan project. Know what you are talking about before you start correcting anyone
@@buckhorncortez Actually the Germans brought the advancement that U.S Physicists connected with a bomb. Knowing the enemy had no remorse for humans made Oppenheimer’s task much simpler. If he didn’t they would’ve, With Heisenberg and other great minds behind their project it was crucial to finish it fast.
If you caught the part during the film where they get help from the man who saw the german bomb, They made a mistake in the construction of the bomb that made catching up to them on time possible.
I leave you with this, If he didn’t make it who would’ve? It’s been over 75 years since the detonation of the Fat Man and the Little Boy, So it has served its purpose in maintaining peace.
Would it have been more worth it in your opinion to have lost countless more soldiers invading the beaches of Japan? (These Soldiers were somebodies Son, Friend, Loved One)
The part that you're missing is how deranged and power hungry oppenheimer was from day 1. He wanted power, resources, and the ability to do whatever he wanted. This is why when approached about the Manhattan project, he immediately got into his plans and how he would do it, because he desperately wanted the power. He wanted to drop the bombs on japan because he knew what it would do for his career. The dude was a communist piece of shit. His whore of a wife was a communist piece of shit. As a human being, oppenheimer was a shit bag. And that showed in his work.
You don't fully understand Oppenheimer's stance on the hydrogen bomb. He thought it was a waste of money because it really couldn't be used tactically. Making very large explosions to level huge areas doesn't make sense in fighting a war. Instead of hydrogen bombs, Oppenheimer was promoting more sophisticated fission bombs which he felt would be more applicable for military use. In some ways, he was ahead of his time with that idea. The U.S. has no megaton bombs in its arsenal. Today the "dial a yield" type bomb is preferred where the explosive level can be set for the target. The largest bomb in the U.S. arsenal is 475 kilotons and the megaton bombs have been decommissioned and taken out of service. As an interesting side note, the Pantex Plant near Amarillo, TX was the assembly facility for nuclear weapons. Its main function today is disassembling nuclear weapons - or "de-militarizing" the bombs they made previously.
Astute point about how this fits into Nolan's theme of escalation. In fact, the third act of Oppenheimer versus Strauss demonstrates how Mutually Assured Destruction isn't the deterrent it's meant to be. If one side ever becomes convinced they can get away with destroying the other side and survive, then the bombs will rain down.
You got it! That was a major point that gets missed. Also that it started with a tiny misunderstanding of what Opp said to Einstein. That moment blew up, like an atomic bomb😉
Seen it today at the famous TCL Chinese theatre in Hollywood on IMAX 70MM and it was insane. Despite the fact we lost audio after oppy gave his speech after the bomb. The movie played for a solid 4 mins with no audio. We were all looking around in the theater confused and they eventually got it up and running again. Nevertheless, awesome film. Seeing the bomb go off in true IMAX was stunning.
No, you didn’t lose audio. That was part of the movie. What an amazing movie.
It was on purpose... Bcoz light travels faster than sound
@@eflyz4880 bruh they literally rewinded the film and played that scene again and it had no audio for maybe 20 secs but we were watching the movie for like 4 mins with no audio.
@@CT.ALEXX_ sounds good bruh. Either way.
@@ayeshasiddiqua2059no. They mentioned it was during his speech _after_ the bomb scene. That scene had a lot of sound due to Oppenheimer’s anxiety over what the bomb will lead To.
This subject means a lot to me. I wrote the most important poem of my life about it, and was so moved that I took the trip to Trinity site, recorded myself reading my poem at the obelisk, then drove to Los Alamos to complete my day. I consider this film to be one of the most important films I've ever seen. While the tells of one of the two most important moments in mankind's history, (the other site being unvisitable on our lunar satellite) it reveals how the pettiness of human emotions can destroy the greatest of achievements. It is a condition that repeats itself throughout history. (See Alan Turing). The most damaged of people, like Roy Cohn, (the insanity behind McCarthy) and Lewis Strauss, put into positions of power by the vote of uneducated and uninformed constituents, can destroy those who, for one reason or another, are the focus of their wrath. Fortunately, Strauss did not receive his ultimate goal, he damaged the image of an American hero. We have such brilliant people who escape the proper recognition for ages, but in the end are seen for what they are. Tesla (hidden by Edison's ego); Turing (hidden for security reasons and buried for his personal choices); Oppenheimer (politics and fear) ... the list goes on and on. We need to heed this film, as politics today are in a space race to the satellite of ignorance to plant their flag for future generations to discover the greed and self interest in which it is being performed. See this brilliant film!!!
Frankly, that seems a little pretentious. Are you saying you were so moved by your own poem? I think there's more humble ways of paying tribute to the victims. I mean, I agree with all of your conclusions of history and the film and the need for the film. Although, through various biographies I think Turing was murdered, not driven to suicide because he was caught in a homosexual relationship. Which raises his case to a different level. I just thing you should play down your own poetry a bit here. I really think it would be better for you in a social way.
McCarthy flushed out communists in the Roosevelt/Truman administrations.
@@squirlmy Too bad you don't like my feelings. It was not written as a tribute to anybody, and certainly not the victims. But I guess it's not pretentious of you to comment on it having absolutely no idea what it's about or how it was written. Humility has nothing to do with it ... and yes, I was moved by it. You, obviously, are not a writer.
I really feel the film will take the Oscars for directing, editing, sound, and best actor and supporting actor. I personally love Nolan, but I thought it would be tough for him to adapt American Prometheus, for which the movie is based and is a great read. But it's a long book. One should read it if you've seen and enjoyed the movie.
Just got done watching the movie maybe 30 minutes ago in theaters. This was the most phenomenal movie I have ever seen. Absolutely phenomenal...
I enjoyed it even more, understanding almost all of the concepts and scientific happenings in the movie.
And the way people didn't immediately pull out their phones after the movie ended.... That response from the crowd gave me chills.
i wish there are subtitles for Nolan's films in future
Frank Oppenheimer was also a physicist, not a psychiatrist. While he was blacklisted for a very long while (where he founded those science museums for kids) , he eventually was redeemed, and welcomed back to academia. As for Robert, while his undergrad was in chemistry, he was hardly a chemist for long.
hot take: I LOVED the 3rd act! Emily Blunt SHINED in it and her lines were delivered perfectly. I need a down ass woman like Mrs. Oppiana in my life fr
Just came back from the theater. I remember having nightmares as a kid for about ten years when I first learned about the fates of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki victims, and I hope this doesn't trigger them again, as the pondside scene brought me an overwhelming sense of dread. I told my son that I didn't want him to see this with me, but that I hope someday I will be able to talk to him about it. I just hope we have a world left where that conversation can happen.
I did Barbenheimer, and it was kinda wild how the openings of both were similar. LOL Really enjoyed both
We were part of an audience watching the film mesmerised for the entire duration. This was unusual and reveals how captivating the film is.
This movie is hard to digest but I knew it had potential. Shame that in my opinion, the majority of audiences won't easily understand the writing. I'd have to watch it again, hopefully by then I'd have an easier time understanding it.
Do you really think people won't understand the writing? I think the significance of it was fairly obvious
Great analysis! Just watched it last night - and yes, pun completely intended, I was blown away! I've long been fascinated with Chemistry, especially the nuclear side (enough so that it was a minor in my academics - more on metallurgy, but still, the interest of all things radioactive remains). I was already quite familiar with the development of the bomb, but not the person(s) behind it. The way this movie plays out is brilliant. No, I did not even notice the 3 hour run time as I was enthralled and engaged the entire time. I don't think there is much that could be trimmed from this to shorten it. The acting was absolutely superb (kudos to Cillian Murphy - I liked him before, LOVE him now! He seemed completely absorbed in the role!). Music, visuals...it was all there.
This movie also really stayed in my head afterwards. The thought of how we, as humans, can create such beauty, but also destruction. How scientific advancement, no matter how noble and in service to humanity it may be or seem, can be twisted and applied by powers outside the science community to such evil. I left the theatre in a very contemplative and reflective, almost sad, mood because of this.
I will certainly watch this again! 10 out of 10 - a definite masterpiece!
The "spoiler warning" for this movie is funny to me, he's telling us about something that happened decades ago. It's not a spoiler warning, it's a history lesson recap.
Truman thought 100000 more of our GIs would die if we were to invade Japan. In the long run he figured it saved lives. What people do not understand is back then they made the best decision at the time not for our time
3:21 ... Look at the love on that fathers face for his son. That's a good dad.
Although the movie was in fact immersive, I agree it felt too long could have cut things out.
The score was fantastic when it was on.
It feels like a big part of the movie was to showcase the arms race of nuclear tech.
It would have been great to see shots (even archival) of H-Bombs to show where we are really at. Nuclear weapons should always be horrifying. It would have really driven home that this problem has not left us.
Totally agree. Why he didn't choose to show what H-bombs are like now is beyond me. It's the pinaccle of the discovery.
@@vesaversion298because the movie is about Oppenheimer…
the length is one of the issues for me imo, there's so much information and the non-chronological structure made it difficult to follow.
Same. I felt the first third of the movie was a bit erratic; I felt like I was watching a 50-60 min, movie trailer, for the rest of the movie. The music was great, but it was scouted like a trailer. The scene cuts felt like they were intentionally trying to remove context, not wanting to give away too much - like a movie trailer. It ended up just creating some confusion trying to figure out what was going on and what the director was trying to show with the black and white, and the clipped scenes.
@MaxPower-vf8kt yes, I found it downright confusing.
Love how quick you always put these out Paul. Watching in 70 MM later I’ll be back. 😎
Great video, and as always very informative.
One thing to note is that the subjectivity and objectivity Nolan talks about with the black and white is not that one was "probably true and the other fact"
The scenes filmed with color como from a subjective pov, meaning that it is what Oppenheimer lived and comes from HIS perspective (those scenes were written in the 1st person)
The black and white scenes are the ones from the perspective of other people towards him (objectively)
So: B&W means he is the object of the scene while color means he is the subject
Absolutely brilliant film, IMO Nolan's best. It's important to note (and this was alluded in the film) that Japan didn't surrender bc of the bombs, but because of the Soviet invasion (and conquering) of Manchuria.
Just finished the movie. I loved it! Didnt really seem like 3hrs. I was never bored.
Now watch the movie Fat Man and Little Boy 1989
I finally just saw it. The scene where he's giving a speech in front of all the staff and the sound drowns out gave me shivers like nothing else. Nolan is a master at building and holding tension
I think the discussion around the use of or lack of visual effects is interesting. I don't think audiences care so much about CGI or not, I think people care if it's poorly done or overused. I think it's largely a backlash to how Marvel and Star Wars have been produced lately - everything gets pushed to post to the point that actors aren't even wearing costumes. And then to hide the fact that the visual effects artists are overworked and under-payed the color grading is terrible leading to everything looking like mud. BUT when Mission Impossible uses CG to erase safety harness wires or change the ramp to being a cliff with rocky terrain nobody complains because it's well done, has minimal impact and the stunt itself is real as is the location.
3 hours of watching a man’s soul die. The slow recognition of what he’s done killed him before death actually came for him.
This breakdowns almost as traumatic as when Oppie rapped Thanos. Good stuff, Paul!
Rapped? Lol. Was it a good song atleast?
Nolan should’ve included the actual Hiroshima/Nagasaki Nuclear Attacks. Whether it was during or the aftermath. There is so much history and darkness but it’s something I was expecting to see. It’s the consequence of the past audience today should’ve seen.
No way. Different story. Barefoot Gen, not even a movie, does this beautifully.
Strongly disagree. We all know what happened and the horror of it, no need to show it. The camera focusing on Oppenheimer's face as he sees the aftermath is all that's needed. We all know in our minds the horror of what happened on that day when the bombs were dropped, just not needed to be actually shown in a film like this
literally what i was thinking
I think he didn’t show it out of respect for the people who did suffer from it and he already sorta showed us from Oppenheimers visions when he was congratulating his other scientists and the lady’s face was peeling/melting off. Also he lets us use our imagination and that’s scarier then actually showing us the effect of the bomb
Knowing Nolan, he would’ve blown up Hiroshima and Nagasaki just to put it in the film. Not worth it.
We saw it last night in 70mm IMax and it was very good. Looked incredible on the massive screen. Definitely one of Nolan's best in my opinion. Thanks for the breakdown vid, you answered a couple small plot/filming questions that I had.
Now watch the movie Fat Man and Little Boy 1989
The 1980 video of Oppenheimer is a much better version of the circumstances, sound quality with captions make it more understadable.
When he said “It’s Oppen time” then heimered all over the place made me so happy, it was amazing!!
I laughed at the title thinking "yeah, the world got the ending!" (Meaning the ending of the project, not the film) Another good video, Paul!
A young senator….John….f Kennedy…looks at the camera
Speaking as a scientist; the part I wish more people would hear and understand is when Oppenheimer is talking to the lab techs and scientists about the bomb: 'We see the future and it terrifies us, but they won't fear it until they understand it; but they won't understand it until they've used it.'
This... disparity is what has made me the saddest as a scientist in my particular disciplines throughout Covid; we're watching this same story repeat itself as we enter not the atomic age, but the molecular.
The Manhattan Project was a continuation of the British "Tube Alloys" the Worlds first nuclear weapons project. As Britain was at war and resources limited, Henry Tizard took the research material to the United States in August 1940. This resulted in the MIT Radiation Laboritory being set up. The Quebec Agreement was signed in 1942 which was were Tube Alloys became a joint Manhattan Project. Oppenheimer was no more than the project manager. Though later he and the US Government took full credit, breaking the agreement and freezing the British out in 1945.
Comparing the explosion to the trinity test footage, it actually looks remarkably comparable for something done with practical effects.
Trinity was an atom bomb, but people need to remember that it was very small compared to the newer hbomb footage that many have seen today. It was actually framed similarly to the various cameras that captured the event as well.
Im glad he held back and kept it as real as possible.
“Our ancestors sinned, but they have died- and we are suffering the punishment they deserved!”
They didn't have to develop special cameras for black and white, an analog camera can film on whatever film you can fit into it. They did, however, have to develop the first black-and-white IMAX 70mm film stock.
कालोऽस्मि लोकक्षयकृत् वृद्धो लोकान्समाहर्तुमिह प्रवृत्तः॥ Sanskrit Verse from Bhagavad Gita (Chapter 11, Verse 32)
Meaning: I am terrible time the destroyer of all beings in all worlds, engaged to destroy all beings in this world
Oppenheimer's interpretation:
"I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds"
I loved it too.. it made me want to understand the political context more clearly and then go and see it again.
I was also blown away.. pun intended.. the long pause between the brilliant light of the explosion and the devastating noise of it was so powerful.. Amazing cast..
AMAZING story…
Loved the role his wife played at the end..
I loved it
But I was so sad at the end of it.. wondering if he was right.. 😢
1:30 - *Thank You* for getting this right! So many people think Oppenheimer came up with this, but in reality, he was quoting a slightly scuffed translation (which he translated by himself btw) of Hindu scripture. A translation that, imo, actually derails what the scripture was trying to get across.
And even extra points for providing an, imo, more accurate translation 👏👏👏
I wish I like this movie more, the score is beautiful the acting is amazing, but something about it just didn’t work for me.
I probably won’t ever see this movie because of the fact that I did research on Oppenheimer some years ago.
I’ve read more than enough of him and many others involved in the Manhattan Project.
The movie will not replaced what I read and comprehended on this.
It’s intriguing, scary and haunting in what it took to bring in an era such as this.
Beautifully done, excellent cameos, wonderful effects, storyline is complicated; just like real life. War humbles all, even the winners. Never forget.
And never forget since all war$ are banker$ war$ they never lose and always profit and the camera man/person/entity always survives!
There is some sloppy narration in this video. O's brother was NOT a psychiatrist - he was a physicist. It's not Los Al-manos ... it's Los Ala-mos. Accuracy matters in non-fiction & documentaries.
it wasn't President Lyndon, it was President Lyndon Baines Johnson, or LBJ as was commonly used in the media at the time of his administration. He was a conservative Democrat who reluctantly took office after the Kennedy assassination. Although a traditional Southern Democrat, which were usually very conservative by nature, he made it his mission to complete as many of Kennedy's more progressive and liberal goals as possible, eventually becoming more of a progressive himself. (This eventually would lead to a major Republican in the South) Unfortunately and ironically, that also meant escalating the Vietnam crisis into a full fledged war, which is why he never ran to complete a third term in 1968.
He didn’t make it his mission. Those initiatives had been talked about so were expected; let’s be honest with the truth. LBJ was no JFK. I’m looking forward to seeing this film.
Just a brief correction. Frank Oppenheimer like his older brother Robert was a physicist NOT a psychologist. In fact he lost his professorship from U of Minnesota because of his former communist party membership. Unable to get a teaching job he eventually became a cattle rancher in Colorado. After about 10 years he once again began teaching - this time high school. He eventually got a professorship in physics at the University of Colorado. You are correct that he founded a museum- the Exploratorium in San Frisco.
I feel like the Kennedy name drop was subtly planting the seed that perhaps Stauss had a role in his assassination because he voted against his appointment. Oppenheimer's wife did say that a vindictive person is a patient person, and he was certainly shown as being very good at pulling strings and manipulating a situation...
I thought the movie moved well. It was about Oppenheimer, not the Trinity test or the Manhattan Project. Nolan also showed what the government can do to destroy an individual.
Like the bad guy told Tony Stark' just cuz you invented something doesn't make it yours
You made it sound like the warning leaflets were delivered before Hiroshima, but it was only after the 1st bomb and before the 2nd. "On the day after the bombing of Hiroshima" 9:20
Fantastic movie. I like (well, in my point of view) how General Groves makes it clear when they meet for the first time that Oppenheimer is just a tool. Oppenheimer kind of brushes it off, but when the project is done he realizes the truth.
it felt like the air left the theatre when the bomb exploded, everyone gasped. beautiful movie
I saw a tweet from a woman who was furious about this movie because her mom had been a kid living where Oppenheimer's bomb was tested. The mom got cancer, as did almost all her mom's classmates.
Yeah, they say it was just an empty piece of desert, but people were living near the bomb site. The government lied to them, giving them 24 hours to vacate their homes and farms. Their farms were seized, livestock was killed and nobody told him that when they finally returned that they were exposed to radiation. It was really fucked up.
Great story
And most of the people in the middle states.
Miniseries Manhattan touches on the fact that the moms and kids had radiation affects that they were told to ignore.
I have never sat through a movie depicting a trial and felt so engaged and intrigued. Long but very good.
"... Oppenheimer is not on trial here...we are simply here to establish whether his security clearance should be renewed..."
"The tower itself was instantly reduced to atoms" No, bits of the tower remained, at the base of the tower. There is a famous photo of this, with General Groves and Oppenheimer inspecting the area, wearing goofing plastic foot coverings.
As to why all parts of the tower were not vaporized in a millisecond, we offer the following very important two words:
Weapons Effects. Happy Googling!
Very well done. My wife and I just now finished the film and I went right to my computer for reviews, landing here.
The film was necessarily long but did not feel that way. I was born 8 days before the Hiroshima. It feels affirming now to see things I heard on the radio. explained so well, knowing what I had lived through so unwittingly.
The film deals with the destructive consequences of fear and ignorance. It repeatedly drives home the realization that the accidental (or deliberate?) flip of a switch, our world can end.
We had to build "the 'A' bomb". Otherwise our adversaries would have done it first and because it would end the destruction and killing. Eighty million people had died in seven years. That's over 10-million a year, and the rate of killing had reached a crescendo with events like Dresden and the fire-bombing of Tokyo.
Oppenheimer did the right thing. Given his talents, patriotism and knowledge, he had no other choice.
I don’t wanna sound corny but the end of the movie made me to start hyperventilating and having a sorta panic attack. I’ve never had a reaction like that with any other movie. I don’t think that the actual movie was Nolan’s best film, but the ideas and
philosophy of it made people more aware of these weapons of mass destruction, and gave us a deep fear of them.
You need help.
@@boraborabob1 why do I need help
@@sebastianbear7104 You just answered your own question.
It’s always the ordinary unfortunate people on the ground who suffer most. Women, children, the elderly, and the sick. “While the killers in high places say their prayers aloud”.
Just got out of Oppenheimer, it is nearly 2am, and I had to watch this before I went to bed! This movie is amazing! Nolan is a genius....
Oppenheimer will take Best Picture, Screen Play, Director, Best Male Actor, Best Supporting Actor and many of the technical awards at the Oscars.
The movie does an incredible job of showing “it’s either us or them” and how that mindset drove the project in times of doubt and friction. Gave me a sense of patriotism while simultaneously making me realize the magnitude of nuclear weapons. Just an unbelievable movie, so many small details and I can’t wait to rewatch it
If you felt patriotism... The last thing this movie was meant to instill is American patriotism.
@@squirlmy hindsight is 20/20, the time period of the Manhattan project and the subsequent Cold War made everyone proud to be American. I don’t understand how you could sit there and be upset we were the first to be successful, would you have rather it been the other way?
My daughter and I saw it yesterday. It is an incredibly complex movie. But if you watch it closely through the entire movie, it is amazing. I expect it will win awards. I do agree it’s not for everyone.
100% agree with this review - esp the last hour post bomb being a bit long. But in the end, it's an amazing film.
Not ashamed to say, the movie moved me to tears. This movie is a tough angle; the cruelty of the atomic bomb wasn’t the main theme of the movie. Instead it argues that moral was inconsequential to the scientists as they pursued scientific discovery, but its the effect births moral dilemma & persecution. Is it justified? We now know how bad the atomic bomb is now, but who could clearly, at the time, understand the balance of success vs guilt over something they have never seen a precedent of before they launched the bomb? And who could predict how people would perceive the thing they had created? This movie is so incredibly heavy and if it wasn’t for the weird stares I got in the cinema, I would’ve been sobbing a lot longer 😂. Truly, one of the best movies I’ve ever seen.
One of the best bio pics in recent years. Superb movie great performances and fairly close to the actual story. A few embellishments and events presented in the wrong time order but overall really really great
I feel like everything Nolan was learned from his other films all lead to this. He's really grown as a storyteller. It might be his best film.
The movie had several other major characters other than Oppenhiemer that I felt it was also about major organs of our society, ie the scientist, military, and politicians. Each of these groups think about the same challenge from different perspectives and neither group can say their motivations are any better than the other
Smh man that description by the survivor. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 That’s beyond anything I heard. This movie was something
Raises the bar for what a biopic should be
Oppenheimer defended the use of the bombs on Japan right up to his death.
He rarely, if ever, came off as "conflicted". He stuck to the "Hiroshima narrative" all the way.