January 2024 - Advaita Vedanta and the Hard Problem of Consciousness - Swami Sarvapriyananda
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Swami Sarvapriyananda reflects on the five great unsolved questions in philosophy published by Oxford University Press, noting that the first four are directly related to consciousness. He emphasizes the centrality of consciousness to the three main branches of philosophy: metaphysics (what is real), epistemology (how do you know anything), and axiology (values and the purpose of life). From the Advaita Vedanta perspective, Swami Sarvapriyananda asserts that Brahman (existence), Chaitanya (consciousness), and Ananda (bliss) provide a unified answer to these questions.
The discussion then delves into the recent surge in interest in consciousness studies, attributed to advancements in imaging technology, artificial intelligence, and developments in information sciences. Swami Sarvapriyananda introduces the hard problem of consciousness, emphasizing the explanatory gap between brain activity and subjective experience.
Drawing on his experience at Harvard Divinity School and discussions with philosophers, Swami Sarvapriyananda suggests that the philosophy of mind has reached a point of stagnation. He recounts a bet between David Chalmers and Christoph Koch, where Koch predicted the imminent reduction of consciousness to brain activity within 25 years. However, upon reflection, Koch admits to no progress in solving the hard problem.
Swami Sarvapriyananda explores the limitations of AI, noting its success in tasks such as creating art and generating content but highlighting its inability to possess consciousness. He questions why AI cannot be made conscious and argues that consciousness is fundamentally different from other cognitive functions.
The talk concludes with a reference to Gallen Strausen's perspective on the hard problem of matter and consciousness. Evan Thompson's acknowledgment of the Upanishads as the origins of consciousness studies in Indian philosophy is highlighted, setting the stage for a deeper exploration of the Indian perspective on consciousness in the subsequent part of the discussion.
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Reality and Reality+ : Advaita Vedanta and the Hard Problem of Consciousness by Swami Sarvapriyananda
** Filmed **
Ramakrishna Mission Institute of Culture Golpark
Seminar on "The Re-Emergence of Spirituality in 21st Century Philosophy" held from 2nd to 4th January 2024.
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This talk of revered Swamiji is a conscious experience of consciousness.
This is one of the most profound speeches I’ve ever heard. Swami Sarvapriyananda you are a gift.
AI, philosophers, chat GPT, David Chalmers and the hard problem of consciousness, the brain itself - all are appearances within consciousness. It's as simple as that. EVERYTHING, forever and always, is an appearance within consciousness
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Swamiji was truly in the flow in this brilliant exposition!!!
Swami Sarvapriyananda ji is such a blessing to the Western world! His wisdom , his sensitivity and convivial ity is such a boon for the propagation of vedanta in the west.! How wonderful for him to follow in the steps of Swami Turiyananda, the first president of RKM in the West and in New York.
What a formidable speech ,logic, argument,construct,..all speechless..Every sentence qualify as "quote"".
Spellbound by your soaring intellect swamiji.
Your words came to me at a time when I had become desperate with weird and strange experiences in my life.
Your words have stabilised me. Abhaar !!!
After listening to the talk, I entered into turiya (तुरीय)...[Happy, happy, joy, joy.]
Swamiji just gets better and better. This is his best talk todate. Tomorrow it will be even better. His infinite mind has no limits. The Source is with and within him. God has blessed all who hear his talks.
I went back to 49:39 in the video. "It's that to which all objects appear." This one line is enough. Swami Ji's lucidity is amazing.
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Yes this orange guy really tackling the really really hard problem of Devid Chalmer.😊❤❤❤
So so so beautiful! Thank you swamiji and more power to you!
Pranams Maharaj. So good.... 🙏🙏🙏
What a time to be alive! Swamiji ‘s talks are simply divine! ❤
Fantastic! A much advanced discussion/explanation. We need to understand that "Consciousness" is a Devine Energy form. Cannot be measured, cannot be describe4d . Even a thousand years from now The question of What is Consciousness will still be debated. "It is Divine Energy"🙏🙏🙏🕉🕉🕉
Jai Shree Ram 🙏
Beautiful salutations at the beginning itself! Beautiful!
Always feel great to listen to you Swami ji
These videos should be put into a podcast platform. It will be much better and easier to consume by the listeners.
Thats a very good idea. I will try to contact Vedanta NY and Vedanta California to pass your comment along 🙏
@@vedanta_philosophy I can do that if I am given the permission on my channel.
wonderful video. Thank you Swamiji
Simply awesome Swamiji 🙏🙏🙏
Fantastic, as always. What a treasure he is! Thank you!
Unbelievable this talk sent me to a sublime experience. Thank you Swami
such clarity of thought! I’m spell bound by Swamiji’s brilliance 🙏🏻
How nicely explained the presence of Brahman within us.Swamiji koti koti pranam.🙏🙏🙏🙏
Pranam Maharaj🙏🌺🙏. Jai Shri Ramakrishna 🌺🙏
Swami sounding like the absolute ruler
Thank you very much Swamiji🙏🙏🙏
We are blessed guruji is with us
Beautiful lecture Swami jee, thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.
This is one of many interesting speeches I've heard from the swami, also the most satisfying and as far as I can tell, he's not working from a prepared paper. Consciousness does appear to be qualitatively different from the the physical brain. Billions of electrical connections in a lump of grey matter do not give us the mechanism by which consciousness emerges. From the story he told of the two scientists who made a bet, one of them was indulging in Scientism, believing the sciences will provide an answer to all our fundamental questions about existence
Your Mind is your knowledge
Guruji pranam pranam at your feet I love you from my heart from my mind from my body and athma
Great insight and search within consciousness.
Great talk Swami
Namaskar Swami Sarvapriyanandaji Maharaj 🙏🏻
Thank you Vedanta Philosophy for sharing this video 🌹
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So beautiful. Eye opener. Swamiji my sastang pranamam
Namaste Swamiji 🙏
Thank you Sir..(Maharaj)..
Anando Brahma. Ananda is the essence of human endeavor. There's a subconscious striving to attain ananda, maybe it's written in the DNA. When you reach that level, that's Brahma... Consciousness explaining itself.
Simply this great explanation Thanks
Wonderful speech,thanks to u sir,Appearance plus reality and Realise it how?Ego challenged non dualism,sader pranam
What a wonderful explanation! The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna mentions, the phrase "Neti, Neti". Just a two word approach to reductionism as explained by Swamiji.. These kind of sessions are needed to comprehend great literary works like the Gospel.
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One of the most enlighting lecture I have heard. Would like to have transcript of this lecture Does any one know if there are transcripts of swamiji's lectures?
Absolutely brilliant. He is spot on
Amazing
Really wonderful
Pranam swami ji
JOY THAKUR JOY MAA JOY Swamiji, Maharaj ji bhaktipurna Pronam neben 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Excellently explained by Maharaj🙏🌺..for more details we can go through the conversation between Bhagaban SriSriRamakrishna and Pandit Iswar Chandra Vidyasagar.."BHRAMA".. So simply expained by Thakur 🌺🙏..
Conciseness cannot be explained it's is beyond the body mind only intuitively known not by mind ,as mind has to be still empty without thought concepts or ideas Conciseness just simply is as it is beyond words no words can explain the what Is, any description can only point to it but it is beyond words only via direct experience can it be intuitively known and realised by self realisation, om 🕉 namo Sri baghavate ramana maharshi om 🕉 namo Sri baghavate nisagadatta maharaj om 🕉 namo Sri baghavate pounjaji papaji om 🕉 namo Sri swami annamalai,
Pranam Maharaj 🙏. This lecture is enough to explain the Adwait Vedanta in less than one hour. 🙏♥️.
Our lectures have changed my life. I strongly believe you have the power to change many people also... Waiting for the time to see you only for once.
I believe so too. I believe one day Advaita Vedanta will be a household name/concept worldwide. Once it's slightly understood there is no going back to any other way of thinking. It's truly sublime. 🙏
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How our Rishis have understood the concept of consciousness and the top philosophers or physicists could not or struggle to understand by using the latest technology to see things through the lens of magnified sensory organs, sir
Jai Sri Ramakrishna 🐚🌺🙏
Pranam
Jai Sri Ramakrishna 🐚🌺🙏
Consciousness with truth realities 🙏🙏🙏
Jai Shri Ram, Jai Shri Krishna 🙏
Such a beautiful lecture.. I have to listen to it over and over, to dive into the Swami's ocean of thoughtful insights.. But I have what seems to me a harder question.. the question of 'Why'.. Why does Consciousness, Brahmand, Ananda exist?
Extremely fortunate to hear Swamiji's lecture 🙏
Jai Shri Ram, Jai Shri Krishna 🙏
Too good
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 guruji
I am sorry that the entire speech went on very brilliantly without mentioning the author or the fundamental and formidable logician Jagadguru Adishankara even after uttering his own concept Brahma Satyam Jagat Midhya. There is the greatest need to talk more about Adishankara than at any time before for, all the dialogue among several eminent modern scientists on the hard problem of consciousness was discussed at length in the Sankara Bhashya of Prasthana Traya where the extraordinarily brilliance of one human who is far more superior than any person at any time before or after that he could himself question himself which will not strike to the most modern genius and answer himself adequately and completely so that no doubt remains in the realm of the topic philosophy call it Advaita Vedanta and he is none other than Adi Shankara the Jagadguru.
No matter how sophisticated it may be, an idea is never the thing in itself. A highly complex idea about a bird neither sings nor flies. Therefore, knowledge is and will always be incomplete. It is impossible to measure what consciousness is. It is immeasurable and therefore infinite and timeless. There are no two infinities. Consciousness is one, and the instruments of consciousness reflect it to varying degrees.
When all ideas become still, through the understanding that they are limited, there is pure consciousness, which is our true nature. Only consciousness is true happiness, because it is complete.
I wholeheartedly agree. 🙏
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প্রনাম গুরুজি ॥
Swamiji, please give a talk on the topics;
"World/matter is nothing other than information assumed n experienced by the consciousness"
I will look for this for you and compile a video. I will comment here when its live. Thank you for watching. 🙏
We just have different levels in Consciousness !
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The questioner, doubter, seeker should go ( subside ) 🕉️
Then how can we think about consciousness 🤔🤔
We are Consciousness 🙏🏻
তুমি আমি এক। তুমি আমি সবাই চৈতন্যময়। ঠাকুর কত সহজ করে আশীর্বাদ করলেন --“ তোমাদের চৈতন্য হোক”। ঘুরে ফিরে সেই এক কথা-অখন্ড এক চৈতন্য। এমন সব বড় বড় দিকপাল মনিষীরা পারেন তা ব্যাখ্যা করে বলতে। আমরা কিছু বলতে তো পারি নাই। বুঝতেও পারি না। সম্পূর্ণ জীবন বৃথা চলে যায় বোঝার চেষ্টা করতে করতেই। প্রণাম প্রণাম প্রণাম।
Chit is consciousness - chit is chaitanya - energy - with respect to a person, it is movement - heart beat - flow - flow of blood - no blood flow no life - brain can not work, body/heart loses movent.
KNOWING external = 5 sences= reality
knowing internal = conciousness= Truth
Not intresseted in any question but only plesent experience = again CONCIOUSNESS❤
Om.Swameyji come out of your body and see it from outside.Convert this body into light foram that the end of it
Guruji is very much from God
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Thank you Swami ji. What happens to consciousness on brain death? Or when someone dies?
I wish I knew the answers myself but I am also a student like yourself. The best I have found is read here: www.swami-krishnananda.org/bgita/bgita_26.html and here: hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/46191. I hope this helps 🙏
Keep your brain active
Profundity and spontaneity writ large
Guruji pl talk about these God's children
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Vedic knowledge of conscious is relatable to modern quantum physics , there could be a god or a matrix.
Swami Sarvapriyananda is abhinava Ranganathanandaji
It insults me that my opponent has anything beautiful, which is a testament against me revealing the Goodness that must be hidden from Jealous, who is God.
It was Alan Watts who used “Nothing But-ery” and also disliked materialists who used “Merely” 😂 couple other good ones I cant remember. Terrence McKenna quoted Moby Dick saying “Reality always outruns apprehension” 💚
Could Consciousness be compared partially with sensory systems of these days?
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I greatly enjoy the Swamiji's wonderful talks :) Even though I disagree with him strongly on this point. There is no explanation needed for the subjectivity. The subjectivity is an illusion. Perhaps for evolutionary reasons, biological organisms evolved the skill of pretending that they are having a subjective experience. It helps genes propagate more effectively.
Kesadaran adalah berfungsinya tubuh dan pikiran. Panca indra dari tubuh berfungsi dan otak berfungsi dan Roh membuatnya berfungsi alias hidup sehingga manusia bisa MENGALAMI. tq.
Could the date and the venue (place & occasion) be noted in the show notes?
Yes, they are there already. For your pleasure here they are 🙏
** Title **
Reality and Reality+ : Advaita Vedanta and the Hard Problem of Consciousness by Swami Sarvapriyananda
** Filmed **
Ramakrishna Mission Institute of Culture Golpark
Seminar on "The Re-Emergence of Spirituality in 21st Century Philosophy" held from 2nd to 4th January 2024.
@@vedanta_philosophy Thank you! Namashkaars!🙏
@@vedanta_philosophy whr can we find d notes.
hve not gone thru swamijis talks. am scheduling it from monday onwards. ❤
@@smitashroff3787 Which notes do you mean?
all ques are everyone supposed to be asked oneself least once in lifetime ,Love this conversation I don't want to go in means and methods of branches such as values,reality,mind..etc already had written many thesis on branches :) but vedanta let grabbed the roots
Mind rise n come to an existence only when if thers 'thinking' or ' thought occurred '
What's the thought ?or it came from ? sci,scientist, neurosurgn or philosopher can't define this although philosophy only works discussed over material physical existence With possible nearly fit solution n approximation but can't tell principal /facts base one crystal clear error free non bias conclusion that's the limitations of 'philosophy' which can just stretch the outward manner n goes forward direction ,. तत्व मसि
While vedanta jumps on very roots that what was even b4 the thoughts like jungle lion grab sheep from n@ck ,by knowing the one ll know everything this is glory of vedanta ,. I do have little sweet concern n humble request plz call vedanta as just 'vedanta knowledge/wisdom' or just as 'vedanta' not as philosophy is different thing still people used to say this that's fine but philosophy is as I mentioned above is phil. hadn't reached/touched the all area with clear solution as compared to 'Vedanta' did,. philosophy is nail clippers while vedanta is sword can't use for nail when philosophy get tired ends gave up vedanti starts from Vedanta don't play role what has already been told or evey1 knows.. but plz let me end here you ahead Swamiji 🚩:)
'David Hume you are looking in the wrong place. The Self is not an object.' Henceforth the impasse.
Sir, Arguments that machines though capable generating artificial intelligence are not endowed with consciousness may be invalid in future. Married people breed children who are of course endowed with souls and consciousness. We rear animals and grow plants and trees. What if they use bio chemical elements and produce living beings in future ? Should philosophers accept defeat for that reason ? The aims and paths of science and philosophy will always remain different .
The way computing technology is progressing these days, in 25 years we will be able to levitate.
Hard problem of consciousness.
Let us start with the definition of an Individual (I) from an Automation Engineer’s perspective: An Individual is made up of body and mind with following functions.
Body functions are mainly divided into two: (1) Production and utilization of energy for existence of the Individual and (2) Protect the Individual and preserve the species.
Mind functions are (1) Receive information (input) from outside world, (2) process information and understand the need (3) decide and (4) take appropriate actions (output) for supporting the body functions.
This definition of an individual seems to be agreeable for both physics and Vedanta. However, the decision making processes are different.
From Vedantic perspective, Individual Consciousness (Jeevathma) is the one who understands (the knower) and the decision maker. Further, Jeevathma is illumined by the Universal Consciousness (Paramathma, The Creator).
While in Artificial Intelligence (AI), the decisions are made by algorithms (software). Decisions are made with help of the knowledge base accumulated through machine learning and by comparison of accumulated data (from the knowledge base) but not by understanding the issue (First person experience). No consciousness (the ‘knower’) in AI.
In our personal experience, we are consciousness, understand and make decisions.
Hard problem of consciousness for physics is the identity of Vedantic Jeevathma, the individual consciousness . As there is no physical property / attributes (that a sensor can detect / identify), Jeevathma can not be identified by physics. And this is the challenge and the Hard problem of consciousness. I believe, currently this problem lies outside the realm of physics.
Swamiji - by definition consciousness cannot be defined since that would make it finite. So it can only be experienced. So to even state that it IS non-dual is a category mistake. All the different models of consciousness are to be taken merely as tools to get to the experience of consciousness experiencing itself.
Swami vivekananda has told more than100years agothat 2) matter and mind are interchangeable3) in fact there is no such thing as matter!..jai swamiji maharaj ..
Really even great men can say rubbish at times .
Anything let it be religion or a country or a political party; when they force their selves on others that causes a big Dent to Humanity
All crisis across the world is all related with this denting others ,exploiting others, to much selfishness, trying to over power others. This wrong maybe individual or group of people.
That's why we all should come together and decide to stop all these things. Change the wrongs and adopt Humanity.
Humanity of few people isnot usefull.
If we all adopt it will help all. That will bring us a new world peace and prosperity.
Humanity Awakening Forum.
Thx
There are obviously some unknowns. And we may never find answers. Self & Brahman are also assumptions with all due respect. I think one should use experience to understand the truth. The division of I and Self won't be realized. At any infinitesimal window, you can do only one thing. You can focus attention at only thing in that infinitesimal window..how small it cam be. I felt useful with the framework of non-self. At least I don't make speculations here and accept that there are some unknowns which I may not find answers. With Self, everything is super complicated with grand theories. Can't prove a thing unfortunately.
I tried to understand here if I can find some answers but unfortunately again some theories and speculations.
In the realm where thoughts collide and dreams unfurl,
Lies a riddle, deep, that puzzles every mind.
It's the mystery of consciousness, a swirling whirl,
A journey into the elusive, undefined.
In the corridors of thought, where neurons dance,
Where senses meet and mingle in a cosmic trance,
There's a question that persists, a haunting glance,
It's the hard problem of consciousness, a perplexing stance.
- Chat GPT
Is he growing younger?
he sure seems to be
Consciousness 33:25