Danielle was the only choice for number 1. Her loss literally changed the way the game is organized, and even the jurors admitted that they voted for Lisa only because of Danielle’s confessionals. She is the only person on this list who can truly claim to be robbed.
tbf its hard to say if she or Tyler are best runner up games - they both lost due to factors that they couldn't really influence much and weren't really game related
While I am a big Danielle fan, it is a complete myth Danielle has the win over Lisa for certain if the jury were sequestered. Lisa has Eric (Lisa's lover), Marcellas (super bitter at Danielle for betraying him, close with Lisa), Tonya (best friends with Lisa), Roddy (hated Danielle even before the confessionals), all 100% locked even with a sequestered jury. Add to that Lori, who left the house as first boot hating both, but probably hated Danielle a bit more, and Chiarri who probably doesn't vote Danielle due to Roddy, and Ami who probably doesn't vote Danielle due to Marcellas, and she likely loses 7-3 to Lisa even with a sequestered jury . I will be generous and assume Gerry and Josh vote for her now, in addition to Jason. Danielle herself has admited it is iffy at best she could beat Lisa even with a sequestered jury. Plus Danielle wanted to take Jason, who she loses to even more for certain than Lisa, she was only there with Lisa since Lisa won final HOH but was planning to go with Jason. Lastly Danielle fucked herself by going to Final 3 with both Lisa and Jason, which is a big knock on her game. She could have gone with Ami and Marcellas and had the win locked up going into Final 3, instead she goes with the 2 most likable people in the entire house, and 2 of the most beloved HGs of all time, even knowing she had created a bitter jury with her agressive game play. Lastly she knew the jury wasn't sequestered, not that it matters if she is facing Jason or Lisa in a Final 2. Would still put her top 5 and maybe top 3. #1 not a chance, that would be someone who didn't purposely fuck themselves over as far as winning as she did on purpose.
@@ohandthefracking Tyler is better than Danielle since he didn't do anything to fuck up his own win. He didn't stupidly take Kaycee to Final 2, she won almost every comp, so he couldn't get her out. Plus he still had a chance against Kaycee. Danielle knew she 100% for sure loses to both Jason and Lisa, she admited so in confessionals, and took both to Final 3 even knowing herself she for sure loses to both, when she could have just taken Marcellas and Ami to Final 3, both who she beats easily but chose not to. Also Danielle loses to Lisa even with a sequestered jury as Eric, Marcellas, Tonya, Roddy are all 100% locked for Lisa, while Lori, Ami (due to Marcellas), and Chiarra (due to Roddy) are likely Lisa votes too. Even moreso Jason who is who Danielle really wanted to go with, not Lisa, and was an even bigger jury threat than Lisa. My top 5 would go: 1. Tyler- All runner up games have flaws but this is probably the closest to not having a big one. 2. Paul BB19 3. Dan or Danielle- go back and forth between them. 5. Nicole S Big Brother 2
Still think that lisa would have won against danielle even without the whole jurors get to return home to see thing Lisa was that likeable in the house
@@Eggiehi-hc1gc Jason and Lisa both beat Danielle even without the DRs or a sequestered jury like other season. Danielle knowingly drew herself dead as far as winning by going to Final 3 with both, even in the fantasy world it was a sequestered jury to boot.
Gina Maria kinda deserves a somewhat of a middle placement tbf - she played VERY classic runner up game and while its not a good thing to have cuz u aint a winner........she surprisingly will always do well in any big brother season
I thought of criticizing putting Nicole over Cody, but come to think of it it makes sense. Nicole did all the moves in her best interest to try to win the game, including taking Will over Monica, when she had a better chance vs Will (still lost of course). Unlike Cody who sabotoged himself by taking Derrick over Victoria. And if the pact to give Victoria the win if either Derrick or Cody cut each other to take her or any Bomb Squad or Detonator member took Victoria over any of the 6 or 8 in that alliance is a real thing, and I believe it might well be which would excuse his Final 3 vote, then in that case he should have been thinking ahead and cut Victoria over Caleb, and tried to get to Final 2 with Caleb.
I'm sorry but Memphis over Allison, BB18 Paul and Monte??? I can understand Monte but Memphis was activelly playing to get 2nd and was gonna lose unless he got the 80yr old man to win final hoh which uh I would not see happening 💀💀💀💀
@Mars Renny and Jerry were frenemies, they alternated between fighting and having fun together. Anyway Renny even said post show she votes any of the Final 4- Jerry,, Keesha, Dan, over Memphis so it isn't debateable, she has already confirmed she votes Jerry over Memphis. Even if you are right on her hating Jerry, she obviously hated Memphis more by the end. So with 4 locked votes atleast- Ollie, April, Michele, Renny, Jerry beats Memphis and there is a good chance he could get Keesha who didn't like Jerry but was SUPER bitter at Memphis or Libra as well. Memphis was such a goat he would even lose against Jerry, LOL! And he was so dumb he would have taken Dan and taken a for sure loss, rather than take Jerry who he atleast had some chance against to boot. I would rank him in the middle at best, maybe lower, he is by far the most overranked person on this list.
@Mars I mean I don't really know for sure if Jerry beats Memphis mind you, but at the very least I don't think it is clear by any means Memphis even beats Jerry. And the fact he would have taken Dan over Jerry even if he won final HOH is horrible. As you said he would need an 80 year old to win final HOH to even have a chance, and even then he might lose since Jerry vs Memphis is a very close vote. Plus Dan is such a great manipulator and Memphis is not, I could see Dan possibly swaying Jerry to take him over Memphis despite Jerry planning to take Memphis, if Jerry won final HOH, anyway. Especialy as unlike later seasons there was time before the final HOH and final eviction. Basically Memphis is way overranked. His All Stars game is overrated too, and isn't as good as some claim it is. Atleast he isn't as overranked on this list as he is IMO on the 5th place games list (I think he was put 2nd or something on that, yikes, and over Tommy Bracco), but still would drop him atleast a couple spots. Why on earth should he be over Alison when both had equally terrible jury management and really low jury win chances, but atleast Allison played a way more impressive game, was the best that season in comps, and tied for best in the house in strategy with Jun, while Memphis wasn't close to the best player of BB10 in any aspect, he was Dan's partner to a degree but mainly his friend and goat for the end. Keesha would have smoked Memphis in a Final 2 too, and Renny for sure beats him; if someone April or Michele work their way to the end they beat him. His only even possible win scenario is Jerry. That is true of Alison too but Alison still played a genius game (along with Jun) that was groundbreaking for the time, despite his horrible jury management and low jury win chances. Paul's BB18 game is quite overrated IMO, but despite that it still deserves over Memphis for sure, I agree. If he doesn't make the super dumb move to take Nicole over James he wins that season. Monte I dock since his move to take Taylor over Turner was even dumber than taking Nicole over James, since I could atleast wrongly guessing Nicole wouldn't be loved by the jury given his rat style game, and that James might be a sympathetic figure to the jury, so Monte vs Memphis is a closer call only since Monte maybe maybe the single worst final choice in history.
MJ's game is just ahead of Ginamarie What a clusterfuck of a game. She made one good move the entire game and then proceeded to make the worst possible decision time and time again just to help Chelsie's game. She thought she wasnt being controlled by anyone but proceeded to be under Chelsie's thumb the entire Jury stage. She even did the Cody thing of bringing someone to end because of loyalty instead of cutting the obvious frontrunner, but this time the person she brought won against her by an unanimous vote.
ehh.. i don't think too highly of MJ's game, believe me.. but i think she deserves her credit by getting all of her win equity by the end (especially compared to Weeks 4-6) , because the jury WOULD have been ready to vote for her in the end, had it not been her and Chelsie. I think she should be 20th on this list, right under Ivette and Erika and above Cowboy, who was much more aloof for the majority of the game.. Ivette similarly takes Maggie over Janelle, against her interest but it was at least 4-3.. Erika at least had some agency over her game and got a vote!
@@absolanimations9276 I disagree, because I forgot to mention that MJ's pre-jury game was a complete and utter mess. She constantly was outside of the majority even if she voted with them, and had it not been for the AI Arena, she would have been evicted twice over. She did have a bit of jury win equity... but never, ever took advantage of it because she just played for Chelsie. Chelsie was the front runner by a country mile, multiple people saw that, even MJ saw that, but her religious beliefs, loyalty, drive to beat chelsie and severe underestimation of Chelsie, she was completely blinded and looked like a stooge in the end. Cowboy and Danniele had no way of winning, but they atleast tried their best through loyalty and comps. They did not actively sabotage their game, which why I put MJ just before Danniele and right after Ginamarie (because Ginamarie had not chance of winning AND actively sabotaged her game).
Dan does not merit first. His jury management sucked ass, he had no winning Final 2 against anyone, and he would have taken Ian over Danielle which is asininely stupid, given that Danielle is one of the only people he has a small shot of beating, and was his closest ally to boot. Dan was ranked just right, if not a bit high.
Come to think of it Paul on 19 should 100% be over Dan. As bad as Paul's jury management was Dan's was much worse, considering Paul has some winning Final 2s, unlike Dan. And Paul's control of the game was far more than Dan's was. Paul also didn't almost go home at the Final 8, and was a lock for Final 2 the whole game, which Dan wasn't. So Dan is definitely overranked, since he should be beneath Paul from 19 as well at minimum.
@@rolandgreen7484 to be fair Dan didn't have a winning chance due to being a veteran players which the newbie cast said so. Paul in bb19 had the worst cast gameplay in show history, along with having the game served up for him on a silver platter. Paul fumbled a spoonfed win while Dan had to navigate to find his way at the end with alot going against him
@@whats_holden_up Per your logic the jury would never have been willing to vote for Paul at the end, since he was the returnee but we know that was not the case. In fact since he has 5 votes- Kevin, Mark, Elena, Christmas, Josh locked against everyone, he wins everytime if he takes someone outside those 5, except maybe Jason who might be able to get Kevin. And as for Big Brother 14 Britney was a returnee and was the biggest jury threat at the time she went out, and according to the cast if she gets to the end beats everyone, with only Shane and Frank maybe running her close in a Final 2. So that is simply not true, he had no chance to win since his jury management was garbage, and a big part of the reason he made the end was everyone at the end knew he was a goat, and wanted to take him since due to his poor jury management he was an easy win for everyone. Shane and Danielle were a couple and were planning to cut each other and take him, that is how big a goat he was by that point.
@rolandgreen7484 I don't agree. Danielle mightve taken Dan over Shane. I don't see Shane taking Dan though and he really lacks self interest. He made it to the end due to his actively great play and it's sickening you undermine him just because of an emotional cast. Paul had MUCH WORSE Jury management. Dan at least owned his moves and didn't use bully tactics
If Nicole takes out Jackson at Final 6, not sure what makes you think it winds up as a Nicole-Holly Final 2 automatically. Holly is probably super pissed at Nicole's betrayal and sides with Tommy/Christie over Nicole/Cliff, and both Nicole and Cliff go out now, leading to a Christie, Holly, Tommy Final 3. And the controversy to most people is Nicole not taking out Holly herself at Final 5, in which case she has no winning Final 2 as Tommy, Cliff, Jackson all beat her in a Final 2 for sure.
Alison maybe. One big problem for both is they had virtually no win scenarios though. Alison truly has none. Erika can beat Chicken George and that is it of the entire jury phase.
That is a very high ranking for Holly. IMO she makes the Final 2 only 1 or 2 times out of 10 on a re run of the season. She does not survive the Final 5 vote as it is without Jackson's hard work. And she had no winning Final 2 out of the entire Final 6, as I am sure you can't name 1 person after Jess was booted she beats. And as bad as GinaMarie is, Danielle Donato should be last, since like Dick does not win without riggage, Danielle does not make Final 2 without riggage. On top of that not having a single winning FInal 2 (probably true of GinaMarie too, but atleast there wasn't riggage getting her to the end on top of that).
Holly is really underrated she was the best player for a good while and it was duue to the fact that Jackson started winning out that her game worsenned in the eyes of the jury making it seem like she was always carried, while she played way better socially and proved herself winning comps that were essencial to Jackson and was probably gonna be the most likely to win if Jackson had not win the veto in the Cliff HoH where Bella got out
@@MarsinMars I watched the season live, and there is not a single point I believed Holly was the most likely winner. When the Six Shooters or Gr8tful or whatever were in power the most likely winner was one of Jack, Tommy, or Christie. By the last part of the game it was always Jackson.
@@MarsinMars Looking at the list I would put the 2 people placed just behind Holly above her- Liz and Porsche. Porsche played an excellent game and there is a story Shelly was payed off to vote Rachel to win, otherwise Porsche wins. I don't know if that is true, but have heard the story enough it is atleast possible, especialy as Shelly and Rachel hated each other so it made no sense she voted her. Porsche also easily wins if either she or Adam win Final HOH, leading to a Porsche vs Adam Final 2 both times. By contrast Holly does not win no matter who wins final HOH since she would have taken Jackson and lost, and Nicole would have cut Jackson and taken Holly, and Nicole wins in that case. As for Liz she got both her showmance and twin to Final 6. That is freaking amazing. And she wins over most people at the end. She beats John Mac, probably beats Austin, beats her twin Julia, and beats Steve if she is the one to cut Vanessa and not Steve (although the downside is she apparently would have taken Vanessa).
@@rolandgreen7484 Okay regarding Jack and Christie they literally had no way to win, they were the obvious threats in that alliance and Christie probably is the 2nd juror if Tommy doesnt convince people to keep her instead of Kat that round, and Tommy, honestly sorry, I had forgotten abt him when I wrote the comment, Tommy was really well positioned to win even better than Holly Secondly, Holly had very high winning chances, Holly was socially in a amazing spot being in the main alliance and connected to the outsiders through Kat and not getting too much blood on her hands but the problem here to her game was something out of her control, her showmance winning out was literally smth she couldnt have done anything about, if she went against him not only it would likely result in a fail and lost of a powerful allie, even if she got went against Jackson and got him evicted, her ass would not only be one ally short, she would to have a resume booster that basically creates a mega bullseye on her back
@@rolandgreen7484 ALSO TRUE, I love Porsche and her game, and I never said she should be below, imo she should be way higher but eh cant control opinions. On the other hand, Liz played really well, but honestly worst than Holly, especially with basically turning into Vanessa's puppet after F5 and btw she does not beat Johnny Mac, since he probably gets the votes of James/Jackie/Becky/Shelli/Steve and probably Vanessa, while Liz only had Julia/Austin and potentially Meg
Monte has to be higher than that. I truly never felt like Taylor DESERVED to win. Yes, it was a cool underdog story that she managed to make it to finale night despite all the bullying the other houseguests did to her at the very beginning, but I don't think that means she should have won solely because she was a persistent person. Monte actually had strategy and executed plans to make it to the end. I honestly feel bad for him.
monte literally took taylor to the end it was his own fault..."monte deserved to win" not really if he had control over it and still didnt make the right move...theres also the fact taylor's chance at winning were jeopardized really early in the game due to things out of her control which was the irrational bullying she got, monte's win was in his control yet he fumbled it. besides, strategy isnt the end all be all, theres still sociability, whats the point of being good at strategizing if the people who are supposed to vote u to win hate u? im not saying monte was hated but taylor was just better socially and was able to get the jury on her side, even the people who were originally against her.
Danielle was the only choice for number 1. Her loss literally changed the way the game is organized, and even the jurors admitted that they voted for Lisa only because of Danielle’s confessionals. She is the only person on this list who can truly claim to be robbed.
tbf its hard to say if she or Tyler are best runner up games - they both lost due to factors that they couldn't really influence much and weren't really game related
While I am a big Danielle fan, it is a complete myth Danielle has the win over Lisa for certain if the jury were sequestered. Lisa has Eric (Lisa's lover), Marcellas (super bitter at Danielle for betraying him, close with Lisa), Tonya (best friends with Lisa), Roddy (hated Danielle even before the confessionals), all 100% locked even with a sequestered jury. Add to that Lori, who left the house as first boot hating both, but probably hated Danielle a bit more, and Chiarri who probably doesn't vote Danielle due to Roddy, and Ami who probably doesn't vote Danielle due to Marcellas, and she likely loses 7-3 to Lisa even with a sequestered jury . I will be generous and assume Gerry and Josh vote for her now, in addition to Jason. Danielle herself has admited it is iffy at best she could beat Lisa even with a sequestered jury. Plus Danielle wanted to take Jason, who she loses to even more for certain than Lisa, she was only there with Lisa since Lisa won final HOH but was planning to go with Jason.
Lastly Danielle fucked herself by going to Final 3 with both Lisa and Jason, which is a big knock on her game. She could have gone with Ami and Marcellas and had the win locked up going into Final 3, instead she goes with the 2 most likable people in the entire house, and 2 of the most beloved HGs of all time, even knowing she had created a bitter jury with her agressive game play. Lastly she knew the jury wasn't sequestered, not that it matters if she is facing Jason or Lisa in a Final 2. Would still put her top 5 and maybe top 3. #1 not a chance, that would be someone who didn't purposely fuck themselves over as far as winning as she did on purpose.
@@ohandthefracking Tyler is better than Danielle since he didn't do anything to fuck up his own win. He didn't stupidly take Kaycee to Final 2, she won almost every comp, so he couldn't get her out. Plus he still had a chance against Kaycee. Danielle knew she 100% for sure loses to both Jason and Lisa, she admited so in confessionals, and took both to Final 3 even knowing herself she for sure loses to both, when she could have just taken Marcellas and Ami to Final 3, both who she beats easily but chose not to. Also Danielle loses to Lisa even with a sequestered jury as Eric, Marcellas, Tonya, Roddy are all 100% locked for Lisa, while Lori, Ami (due to Marcellas), and Chiarra (due to Roddy) are likely Lisa votes too. Even moreso Jason who is who Danielle really wanted to go with, not Lisa, and was an even bigger jury threat than Lisa. My top 5 would go:
1. Tyler- All runner up games have flaws but this is probably the closest to not having a big one.
2. Paul BB19
3. Dan or Danielle- go back and forth between them.
5. Nicole S Big Brother 2
Still think that lisa would have won against danielle even without the whole jurors get to return home to see thing Lisa was that likeable in the house
@@Eggiehi-hc1gc Jason and Lisa both beat Danielle even without the DRs or a sequestered jury like other season. Danielle knowingly drew herself dead as far as winning by going to Final 3 with both, even in the fantasy world it was a sequestered jury to boot.
i was gonna ask how GinaMarie is above anybody but then realized Derek won absolutely nothing
tbf neither did Will, Cirie or Shelly. But regardless Derek F is still terrible
Gina Maria kinda deserves a somewhat of a middle placement tbf - she played VERY classic runner up game and while its not a good thing to have cuz u aint a winner........she surprisingly will always do well in any big brother season
Ginamarie actually had some good strategy and social game If only she wasn’t racist towards Candice..
He is still waiting for slip and slide to this day
I thought of criticizing putting Nicole over Cody, but come to think of it it makes sense. Nicole did all the moves in her best interest to try to win the game, including taking Will over Monica, when she had a better chance vs Will (still lost of course). Unlike Cody who sabotoged himself by taking Derrick over Victoria. And if the pact to give Victoria the win if either Derrick or Cody cut each other to take her or any Bomb Squad or Detonator member took Victoria over any of the 6 or 8 in that alliance is a real thing, and I believe it might well be which would excuse his Final 3 vote, then in that case he should have been thinking ahead and cut Victoria over Caleb, and tried to get to Final 2 with Caleb.
24. Big D (Season 24)
23. Ginamarie (Season 15)
22. Dani (Season 8)
21. Ryan (Season 9)
20. Cowboy (Season 5)
19. Eika (Season 7)
18. Ivette (Season 6)
17. Natalie (Season 11)
16. Porsche (Season 13)
15. Liz (Season 17)
14. Holly (Season 21)
13. Monte (Season 24)
12. Paul (Season 18)
11. Alison (Season 4)
10. Memphis (Season 10)
9. Enzo (Season 22)
8. Danielle (Season 14)
7. Matt (Season 25)
6. Cody (Season 16)
5. Nicole (Season 2)
4. Paul (Season 19)
3. Dan (Season 14)
2. Tyler (Season 20)
1. Danielle (Season 3)
I have it in the description as well
@@whats_holden_up ik lol
I would rank Cody #1 based off the fact he lost because he took Derrick and not Victoria
@@JGR4LIFE20 So he should be #1 based on making one of the dumbest moves of all time on the show? Makes sense.
@@JGR4LIFE20 How is making a dumb move at the last possible moment worthy of the #1 slot?
im obsessed with how Holly and the music match up
Paul being on the list twice 😂
I'm sorry but Memphis over Allison, BB18 Paul and Monte??? I can understand Monte but Memphis was activelly playing to get 2nd and was gonna lose unless he got the 80yr old man to win final hoh which uh I would not see happening 💀💀💀💀
Memphis does not even beat Jerry most likely. Jerry would get April, Ollie, Michele pretty easily, and probably gets Renny and Libra too.
@@rolandgreen7484 RENNY HATED JERRY DID YOU SEE BB10??? Libra probably votes Memphis over Jerry
@Mars Renny and Jerry were frenemies, they alternated between fighting and having fun together. Anyway Renny even said post show she votes any of the Final 4- Jerry,, Keesha, Dan, over Memphis so it isn't debateable, she has already confirmed she votes Jerry over Memphis. Even if you are right on her hating Jerry, she obviously hated Memphis more by the end. So with 4 locked votes atleast- Ollie, April, Michele, Renny, Jerry beats Memphis and there is a good chance he could get Keesha who didn't like Jerry but was SUPER bitter at Memphis or Libra as well.
Memphis was such a goat he would even lose against Jerry, LOL! And he was so dumb he would have taken Dan and taken a for sure loss, rather than take Jerry who he atleast had some chance against to boot. I would rank him in the middle at best, maybe lower, he is by far the most overranked person on this list.
@Mars I mean I don't really know for sure if Jerry beats Memphis mind you, but at the very least I don't think it is clear by any means Memphis even beats Jerry. And the fact he would have taken Dan over Jerry even if he won final HOH is horrible. As you said he would need an 80 year old to win final HOH to even have a chance, and even then he might lose since Jerry vs Memphis is a very close vote. Plus Dan is such a great manipulator and Memphis is not, I could see Dan possibly swaying Jerry to take him over Memphis despite Jerry planning to take Memphis, if Jerry won final HOH, anyway. Especialy as unlike later seasons there was time before the final HOH and final eviction. Basically Memphis is way overranked. His All Stars game is overrated too, and isn't as good as some claim it is.
Atleast he isn't as overranked on this list as he is IMO on the 5th place games list (I think he was put 2nd or something on that, yikes, and over Tommy Bracco), but still would drop him atleast a couple spots. Why on earth should he be over Alison when both had equally terrible jury management and really low jury win chances, but atleast Allison played a way more impressive game, was the best that season in comps, and tied for best in the house in strategy with Jun, while Memphis wasn't close to the best player of BB10 in any aspect, he was Dan's partner to a degree but mainly his friend and goat for the end. Keesha would have smoked Memphis in a Final 2 too, and Renny for sure beats him; if someone April or Michele work their way to the end they beat him. His only even possible win scenario is Jerry. That is true of Alison too but Alison still played a genius game (along with Jun) that was groundbreaking for the time, despite his horrible jury management and low jury win chances.
Paul's BB18 game is quite overrated IMO, but despite that it still deserves over Memphis for sure, I agree. If he doesn't make the super dumb move to take Nicole over James he wins that season. Monte I dock since his move to take Taylor over Turner was even dumber than taking Nicole over James, since I could atleast wrongly guessing Nicole wouldn't be loved by the jury given his rat style game, and that James might be a sympathetic figure to the jury, so Monte vs Memphis is a closer call only since Monte maybe maybe the single worst final choice in history.
Very good list
I would argue that Dan's performance in season 14 should be number one.
i think what holds him back is his jury management, but besides that he played really well
@@steventhecookieloverthere was a pact not to vote for Dan or Mike because they won already
@JohnnyHikesSW that makes sense, didn't know that existed
@@JohnnyHikesSWAh. I thought the reason why Dan lost BB14 was because of his funeral. Lol
MJ's game is just ahead of Ginamarie
What a clusterfuck of a game. She made one good move the entire game and then proceeded to make the worst possible decision time and time again just to help Chelsie's game. She thought she wasnt being controlled by anyone but proceeded to be under Chelsie's thumb the entire Jury stage. She even did the Cody thing of bringing someone to end because of loyalty instead of cutting the obvious frontrunner, but this time the person she brought won against her by an unanimous vote.
ehh.. i don't think too highly of MJ's game, believe me.. but i think she deserves her credit by getting all of her win equity by the end (especially compared to Weeks 4-6) , because the jury WOULD have been ready to vote for her in the end, had it not been her and Chelsie. I think she should be 20th on this list, right under Ivette and Erika and above Cowboy, who was much more aloof for the majority of the game.. Ivette similarly takes Maggie over Janelle, against her interest but it was at least 4-3.. Erika at least had some agency over her game and got a vote!
@@absolanimations9276 I disagree, because I forgot to mention that MJ's pre-jury game was a complete and utter mess. She constantly was outside of the majority even if she voted with them, and had it not been for the AI Arena, she would have been evicted twice over.
She did have a bit of jury win equity... but never, ever took advantage of it because she just played for Chelsie. Chelsie was the front runner by a country mile, multiple people saw that, even MJ saw that, but her religious beliefs, loyalty, drive to beat chelsie and severe underestimation of Chelsie, she was completely blinded and looked like a stooge in the end.
Cowboy and Danniele had no way of winning, but they atleast tried their best through loyalty and comps. They did not actively sabotage their game, which why I put MJ just before Danniele and right after Ginamarie (because Ginamarie had not chance of winning AND actively sabotaged her game).
Matt is better than Cody if we judge solely off Cody first game!
Paul losing twice is literally the definition of KARMA!
Didn't Erika do like, the 2nd best move in the history of the show?
Still overall being very non-present throughout the entire season, and would lose the game to almost half the cast. Love her though.
Really? What was the move?
Bro, Danielle Denato is a comp beast and a legend
Nicole deserves the top 5 spot
I would say Dan should be first, but otherwise good ranking
Dan does not merit first. His jury management sucked ass, he had no winning Final 2 against anyone, and he would have taken Ian over Danielle which is asininely stupid, given that Danielle is one of the only people he has a small shot of beating, and was his closest ally to boot. Dan was ranked just right, if not a bit high.
Come to think of it Paul on 19 should 100% be over Dan. As bad as Paul's jury management was Dan's was much worse, considering Paul has some winning Final 2s, unlike Dan. And Paul's control of the game was far more than Dan's was. Paul also didn't almost go home at the Final 8, and was a lock for Final 2 the whole game, which Dan wasn't.
So Dan is definitely overranked, since he should be beneath Paul from 19 as well at minimum.
@@rolandgreen7484 to be fair Dan didn't have a winning chance due to being a veteran players which the newbie cast said so. Paul in bb19 had the worst cast gameplay in show history, along with having the game served up for him on a silver platter. Paul fumbled a spoonfed win while Dan had to navigate to find his way at the end with alot going against him
@@whats_holden_up Per your logic the jury would never have been willing to vote for Paul at the end, since he was the returnee but we know that was not the case. In fact since he has 5 votes- Kevin, Mark, Elena, Christmas, Josh locked against everyone, he wins everytime if he takes someone outside those 5, except maybe Jason who might be able to get Kevin. And as for Big Brother 14 Britney was a returnee and was the biggest jury threat at the time she went out, and according to the cast if she gets to the end beats everyone, with only Shane and Frank maybe running her close in a Final 2. So that is simply not true, he had no chance to win since his jury management was garbage, and a big part of the reason he made the end was everyone at the end knew he was a goat, and wanted to take him since due to his poor jury management he was an easy win for everyone. Shane and Danielle were a couple and were planning to cut each other and take him, that is how big a goat he was by that point.
@rolandgreen7484 I don't agree. Danielle mightve taken Dan over Shane. I don't see Shane taking Dan though and he really lacks self interest. He made it to the end due to his actively great play and it's sickening you undermine him just because of an emotional cast. Paul had MUCH WORSE Jury management. Dan at least owned his moves and didn't use bully tactics
I’m still salty about Nicole not taking out Jackson when she had the chance because she easily beats Holly
If Nicole takes out Jackson at Final 6, not sure what makes you think it winds up as a Nicole-Holly Final 2 automatically. Holly is probably super pissed at Nicole's betrayal and sides with Tommy/Christie over Nicole/Cliff, and both Nicole and Cliff go out now, leading to a Christie, Holly, Tommy Final 3. And the controversy to most people is Nicole not taking out Holly herself at Final 5, in which case she has no winning Final 2 as Tommy, Cliff, Jackson all beat her in a Final 2 for sure.
Allison and Erica are too low
Alison maybe. One big problem for both is they had virtually no win scenarios though. Alison truly has none. Erika can beat Chicken George and that is it of the entire jury phase.
Disagree on Erika and Hollys low placements
Of course you have Danielle at #1
Out side of Danielle beign slightly to high (She is a really great player, but has too many holes in the game to be at number 1) this looks abou right
Porsche and Holly beautiful
Tyler should have won bb20 no offense kaycee and fans of her
Danielle Reyes getting all the flowers she deserves 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
matt that high is crazyyyy
Nah he got robbed
He shouldn’t have saved Jag
@@tajneeley of what? why would anyone vote for him after that mess of a speech
Matt, Enzo, and and S19 Paul are all waaaay too high
That is a very high ranking for Holly. IMO she makes the Final 2 only 1 or 2 times out of 10 on a re run of the season. She does not survive the Final 5 vote as it is without Jackson's hard work. And she had no winning Final 2 out of the entire Final 6, as I am sure you can't name 1 person after Jess was booted she beats.
And as bad as GinaMarie is, Danielle Donato should be last, since like Dick does not win without riggage, Danielle does not make Final 2 without riggage. On top of that not having a single winning FInal 2 (probably true of GinaMarie too, but atleast there wasn't riggage getting her to the end on top of that).
Holly is really underrated she was the best player for a good while and it was duue to the fact that Jackson started winning out that her game worsenned in the eyes of the jury making it seem like she was always carried, while she played way better socially and proved herself winning comps that were essencial to Jackson and was probably gonna be the most likely to win if Jackson had not win the veto in the Cliff HoH where Bella got out
@@MarsinMars I watched the season live, and there is not a single point I believed Holly was the most likely winner. When the Six Shooters or Gr8tful or whatever were in power the most likely winner was one of Jack, Tommy, or Christie. By the last part of the game it was always Jackson.
@@MarsinMars Looking at the list I would put the 2 people placed just behind Holly above her- Liz and Porsche. Porsche played an excellent game and there is a story Shelly was payed off to vote Rachel to win, otherwise Porsche wins. I don't know if that is true, but have heard the story enough it is atleast possible, especialy as Shelly and Rachel hated each other so it made no sense she voted her. Porsche also easily wins if either she or Adam win Final HOH, leading to a Porsche vs Adam Final 2 both times. By contrast Holly does not win no matter who wins final HOH since she would have taken Jackson and lost, and Nicole would have cut Jackson and taken Holly, and Nicole wins in that case. As for Liz she got both her showmance and twin to Final 6. That is freaking amazing. And she wins over most people at the end. She beats John Mac, probably beats Austin, beats her twin Julia, and beats Steve if she is the one to cut Vanessa and not Steve (although the downside is she apparently would have taken Vanessa).
@@rolandgreen7484 Okay regarding Jack and Christie they literally had no way to win, they were the obvious threats in that alliance and Christie probably is the 2nd juror if Tommy doesnt convince people to keep her instead of Kat that round, and Tommy, honestly sorry, I had forgotten abt him when I wrote the comment, Tommy was really well positioned to win even better than Holly
Secondly, Holly had very high winning chances, Holly was socially in a amazing spot being in the main alliance and connected to the outsiders through Kat and not getting too much blood on her hands but the problem here to her game was something out of her control, her showmance winning out was literally smth she couldnt have done anything about, if she went against him not only it would likely result in a fail and lost of a powerful allie, even if she got went against Jackson and got him evicted, her ass would not only be one ally short, she would to have a resume booster that basically creates a mega bullseye on her back
@@rolandgreen7484 ALSO TRUE, I love Porsche and her game, and I never said she should be below, imo she should be way higher but eh cant control opinions. On the other hand, Liz played really well, but honestly worst than Holly, especially with basically turning into Vanessa's puppet after F5 and btw she does not beat Johnny Mac, since he probably gets the votes of James/Jackie/Becky/Shelli/Steve and probably Vanessa, while Liz only had Julia/Austin and potentially Meg
Monte has to be higher than that. I truly never felt like Taylor DESERVED to win. Yes, it was a cool underdog story that she managed to make it to finale night despite all the bullying the other houseguests did to her at the very beginning, but I don't think that means she should have won solely because she was a persistent person. Monte actually had strategy and executed plans to make it to the end. I honestly feel bad for him.
monte literally took taylor to the end it was his own fault..."monte deserved to win" not really if he had control over it and still didnt make the right move...theres also the fact taylor's chance at winning were jeopardized really early in the game due to things out of her control which was the irrational bullying she got, monte's win was in his control yet he fumbled it. besides, strategy isnt the end all be all, theres still sociability, whats the point of being good at strategizing if the people who are supposed to vote u to win hate u? im not saying monte was hated but taylor was just better socially and was able to get the jury on her side, even the people who were originally against her.