@@CaveyMoth As an INTJ myself, I confirm that people do think of me as somewhat chaotic at times. For instance my mother thinks my room is a mess, however it is what I call an organized mess: Things are sectioned and categorised in certain way but it just looks messy due to the rashness with which I did things.
Do not cultivate a pride for consistency in petty matters...by contending for little things where there is really nothing to contend about...instead of conscientiousness...wicked, selfish pride of notions...humoring their whims...ever studying to avoid a collision.
Does anyone know what again are the arguments for Dave being Fi before Te? He generally seems to display behaviour closer to Te. He's always talking about Te stuff like tools for fixing stuff house the house or mowing the grass around the house. He also talks in this monotonious Te manner, never really shows much emotions at all, never talks about what is 'right/wrong' (as moral judgement). Of course none of these things are conclusive at all, but apart from him 'being selfish' (as they mentioned before) I'm not sure if I've heard an argument for why he would have Fi before Te?
lol, he typed himself by his *own system*. If you wanna know why a guy who's been interested in mbti for 20+ years measures his behavior by a metric that he created, send him an email or something. It's probably because he's self > tribe
Even Dave sees himself as a feeler. There is an interview with Benyamin Tsadik ("Interview - Dave Powers Ni/Fi - INTJ Jumper") and Dave says that he is definitely a feeler. He can do Te, but he fumbles and sees a difference between him and other people who have quick decisive Te compared to him. So he sees himself as a feeler and it is Fi, not Fe (I agree with him on that). The problem is that he also sees himself as intuitive (one argument he has is because he can't get himself to do taxes, like the sensors do). So he came to the conclusion that he is probably Ni first, Fi second. Well, he typed himself INTJ before he figured out that he is a feeler and then he couldn't give up the Ni dom function when it was clear to him that he has Fi first or second. He seems like a gamma quadra to me, so I would agree with him there too. They all share weak emotional expressions. ESFP's can show sometimes a lot of Fe, but not if it's against the persona that they identify with. They kind of "play Fe intentionally" (intentionally is maybe a strong word, but the Fe is submissive to Fi) instead of "do Fe subconsciously". So it doesn't come out when they don't feel like it fits the situation or persona. (Of course there are exceptions, even Fe vulnerable leaks some expressions on rare occasions.)
You guys, I know you love the “Ti gears” thing, but unless it’s also a metaphor, cmon mayne. It is such a one-dimensional view of Ti! Its S/Ti. God if someone asked me to work on a bunch of gears I’d look at them like they were insane.
Only in the OPS universe is clear, unambiguous Fe somehow defined as Fi. lol I get that the varying personality systems might have somewhat different or incomplete definitions of the functions, but Fe tends to be one of the less confusing/contentioous functions to spot and identify. In the very first clip, Todd was literally opining on how "additive" it is to experience communal feeling with 400 people, how "electric" it is to have everyone laugh, cry, and jump at the same time, that the crowd experience can not be replicated, as opposed to a subjectively resonant, singular, solitary viewing experience at home. ..and yet somehow that's supposed to be Fi Like...wut? lol "Vibe" is far more synonymous with Fe than it is Fi because it's TYPICALLY defined as "an emotional state or atmosphere being communicated and felt by others." Most typing systems tend to agree that (an aspect of) Fe is about communicating,/interpreting/reacting to externalized emotions and feeling. A psychological/behavioral aspect of Fe involves making explicit emotional provocations, directly inducing an emotional state in someone else in order to receive clear cut emotional feedback, which is actionable information, e.g. > I can feel that person’s/group’s expressed sadness, and it feels bad, and so I want to make them feel better, so that we all feel better. Those with strong Fe excel at processing/interpreting Fe emotional feedback and using that to manipulate the emotional landscape in whichever way they so choose. Todd is an INFJ and,, fwiw, there are several personality typing systems, like Socionics, for example, that posit IXFJs all have (demonstratively showy) Fi that is stronger than their (creatively wielded) Fe, though Fe is actually a valued, preferred function. Todd is very aware of and secure with his own personal, ldeeply held beliefs and sentiments (Fi), but still finds greater communal value in shared emotional experiences (Fe).
OP defines the functions differently from most personality systems, so it's not something I would break a sweat over. The clips posted on UA-cam are also just taken out of longer videos so in general you don't always get the full context.
@@Krisenaa Even by OP's definitions of Fe (i.e., being attuned to tribe values, the group's likes and dislikes, caring about others more than one's self [they literally have a video where they cite this sentiment as being indicative of Savior Fe]), Todd is still showing a preference for Fe in the clips because he's EXPLICITLY speaking to wanting to create films the group (e.g. '400' people) likes and enjoys He's still prioritizing what other people outside of himself value. ANd he didn't express this as some one off, inconsistent sentiment.--he was animated by that conviction.
@@Krisenaa AGREED, and yet that's precisely what OP is doing here, while you unironically keep defending their flawed method. Hopefully, they are paying you for the heavy simping. lol But my previous point still stands: even by their own system's definitions, standards, and methods, Todd is displaying a preference for Fe, for the prioritization of the groups's values, what they like and dislike, how they will feel about his product. According to how they have defined Fi elsewhere, Todd should ONLY care about creating content that he subjectively likes. Though he does acknowledge his own unique tastes, he more enthusiastically speaks to making content that the group will respond to in a certain way.
@@obsolete2319 "AGREED, and yet that's precisely what OP is doing here" No, they're not. It's just a short clip from a longer video. I'm not even defending them, just poking at you. Chill out, dude.
Isn't he more like ISFP? Because his movies seems to be about Fi-Ti axis. In his movies, actual physical mystery in the environment (N-S axis) is only funny background to real struggle of his characters, which is to be liked/appreciated by other people, or make difficult inter-personal decision. INTJ movies are about Ni-Si. It is about keeping Si people safe and Ni people free. And T-F axis of interpersonal feelings and hierarchy is funny part.
This Dave guy is definitely *not* an INTJ. Definitely an extrovert. It seems he types himself as an INTJ for “cool” factor due to INTJ intelligence and also to use TE as an excuse for his immoral behavior. No _actual_ INTJ behaves in the manner Dave does. At all. My intuition says he’s an ESFP from what little I have seen of him.
Try to do a lil more research before confirming anything. INTJ's can be either the most antisocial mofos you'll ever see or the most social when they're really comfortable or both. Personally I didn't try to type him yet but the Te and Ni dynamic is quite there, Idk in which order yet though...
@@johancaesar Hmmm, someone didn’t like my response to you. I believe it was objectively sound but perhaps there was something I missed. Or got right. Oh well. ✌🏼
Ok but how do you know ☠️ extroversion and introversion is like something very personal to someone. Like "I get energy from being alone/with people" how do you know ☠️. Also this guy is def not an ENTJ if that's what you're trying to say.
To summarize, Dave is controlling because he's Italian.
It is known
INTJ-It
The physical resemblance and even mannerisms, and voice tones are uncanny. You guys are up to something here.
When he said the word "bullshit", it was a perfect match.
"I can go all the way down to the depths of hell and thrive in negative emotions and you can't" -Dave
Yup. Pretty much. Sounds about right.
That was such an eye-opening moment for me. Hahahaha.
That fact has caused so many unnecessary conflicts ; )
He looks like Dr House.
The look on my face while hearing the ST syndrome explanation.
An INTJ who embraces chaos? Incredible!
It's in some way an illusion of chaos, a chaos under control.
It sounds contradictory but you get it right ?
@@johancaesar My INTJ dad sure causes a heck of a lot of chaos. But I guess that it all makes sense to him.
@@CaveyMoth As an INTJ myself, I confirm that people do think of me as somewhat chaotic at times.
For instance my mother thinks my room is a mess, however it is what I call an organized mess:
Things are sectioned and categorised in certain way but it just looks messy due to the rashness with which I did things.
Would you guys make a video about ISTP jumpers? I have not seen them being covered too much in-depth yet
What’s with INTJs and them typically being good musicians? Like they tend to be good at playing instruments mainly
I'm dogshit at any instrument I attempt to master...
Do not cultivate a pride for consistency in petty matters...by contending for little things where there is really nothing to contend about...instead of conscientiousness...wicked, selfish pride of notions...humoring their whims...ever studying to avoid a collision.
Lol, the male mind makes you controlling. Oof, that was painful. Good for a laugh, for sure.
Male mind = masculine Di ?
I know eh, wtf was up with that
Has Goerge Clooney been typed cause this guy kinda looks and sounds like him?
They both have sleepy eyes
@@cilstr Ni eyes (My stereotype)
They haven't mentioned him yet. The way he can't talk for ten seconds without bringing up other people makes me think he's an ExxJ.
I have ST syndrome and my mom is NF💀
I say she hates question, she says I ask a ton, we're both right tho
Does anyone know what again are the arguments for Dave being Fi before Te? He generally seems to display behaviour closer to Te. He's always talking about Te stuff like tools for fixing stuff house the house or mowing the grass around the house. He also talks in this monotonious Te manner, never really shows much emotions at all, never talks about what is 'right/wrong' (as moral judgement). Of course none of these things are conclusive at all, but apart from him 'being selfish' (as they mentioned before) I'm not sure if I've heard an argument for why he would have Fi before Te?
He's sleep 1st aka Ni/Fi - you're doing that weird F = emotion T = robot mbti stereotyping. It doesn't work that way....
lol, he typed himself by his *own system*. If you wanna know why a guy who's been interested in mbti for 20+ years measures his behavior by a metric that he created, send him an email or something. It's probably because he's self > tribe
Dave is actually TeNi, he acts that way just to protect his little demon Fi, and label it as 'being selfish' or 'being an asshole' haha
Even Dave sees himself as a feeler. There is an interview with Benyamin Tsadik ("Interview - Dave Powers Ni/Fi - INTJ Jumper") and Dave says that he is definitely a feeler. He can do Te, but he fumbles and sees a difference between him and other people who have quick decisive Te compared to him. So he sees himself as a feeler and it is Fi, not Fe (I agree with him on that). The problem is that he also sees himself as intuitive (one argument he has is because he can't get himself to do taxes, like the sensors do). So he came to the conclusion that he is probably Ni first, Fi second. Well, he typed himself INTJ before he figured out that he is a feeler and then he couldn't give up the Ni dom function when it was clear to him that he has Fi first or second.
He seems like a gamma quadra to me, so I would agree with him there too. They all share weak emotional expressions. ESFP's can show sometimes a lot of Fe, but not if it's against the persona that they identify with. They kind of "play Fe intentionally" (intentionally is maybe a strong word, but the Fe is submissive to Fi) instead of "do Fe subconsciously". So it doesn't come out when they don't feel like it fits the situation or persona. (Of course there are exceptions, even Fe vulnerable leaks some expressions on rare occasions.)
He just not single F decider. He’s doing double deciding-back and forth of F/T.
How is going for group moods not Fe? Getting the group to think outside the box is Ne. Ti is about being exacting. ENTP. Dude is CS Joseph.
It's a very intimate group, it feels small.
INTJ's can go for group moods with a small group with which they have a deep bond.
You guys, I know you love the “Ti gears” thing, but unless it’s also a metaphor, cmon mayne. It is such a one-dimensional view of Ti! Its S/Ti. God if someone asked me to work on a bunch of gears I’d look at them like they were insane.
Also I love you guys plz don’t hate me
Only in the OPS universe is clear, unambiguous Fe somehow defined as Fi. lol I get that the varying personality systems might have somewhat different or incomplete definitions of the functions, but Fe tends to be one of the less confusing/contentioous functions to spot and identify.
In the very first clip, Todd was literally opining on how "additive" it is to experience communal feeling with 400 people, how "electric" it is to have everyone laugh, cry, and jump at the same time, that the crowd experience can not be replicated, as opposed to a subjectively resonant, singular, solitary viewing experience at home. ..and yet somehow that's supposed to be Fi Like...wut? lol
"Vibe" is far more synonymous with Fe than it is Fi because it's TYPICALLY defined as "an emotional state or atmosphere being communicated and felt by others." Most typing systems tend to agree that (an aspect of) Fe is about communicating,/interpreting/reacting to externalized emotions and feeling.
A psychological/behavioral aspect of Fe involves making explicit emotional provocations, directly inducing an emotional state in someone else in order to receive clear cut emotional feedback, which is actionable information, e.g. > I can feel that person’s/group’s expressed sadness, and it feels bad, and so I want to make them feel better, so that we all feel better. Those with strong Fe excel at processing/interpreting Fe emotional feedback and using that to manipulate the emotional landscape in whichever way they so choose.
Todd is an INFJ and,, fwiw, there are several personality typing systems, like Socionics, for example, that posit IXFJs all have (demonstratively showy) Fi that is stronger than their (creatively wielded) Fe, though Fe is actually a valued, preferred function. Todd is very aware of and secure with his own personal, ldeeply held beliefs and sentiments (Fi), but still finds greater communal value in shared emotional experiences (Fe).
OP defines the functions differently from most personality systems, so it's not something I would break a sweat over. The clips posted on UA-cam are also just taken out of longer videos so in general you don't always get the full context.
@@Krisenaa Even by OP's definitions of Fe (i.e., being attuned to tribe values, the group's likes and dislikes, caring about others more than one's self [they literally have a video where they cite this sentiment as being indicative of Savior Fe]), Todd is still showing a preference for Fe in the clips because he's EXPLICITLY speaking to wanting to create films the group (e.g. '400' people) likes and enjoys He's still prioritizing what other people outside of himself value. ANd he didn't express this as some one off, inconsistent sentiment.--he was animated by that conviction.
@@obsolete2319 It's hard to type from one beat in an interview.
@@Krisenaa AGREED, and yet that's precisely what OP is doing here, while you unironically keep defending their flawed method. Hopefully, they are paying you for the heavy simping. lol
But my previous point still stands: even by their own system's definitions, standards, and methods, Todd is displaying a preference for Fe, for the prioritization of the groups's values, what they like and dislike, how they will feel about his product. According to how they have defined Fi elsewhere, Todd should ONLY care about creating content that he subjectively likes. Though he does acknowledge his own unique tastes, he more enthusiastically speaks to making content that the group will respond to in a certain way.
@@obsolete2319 "AGREED, and yet that's precisely what OP is doing here"
No, they're not. It's just a short clip from a longer video. I'm not even defending them, just poking at you. Chill out, dude.
Honestly kind of a creepy comparison lol
Isn't he more like ISFP? Because his movies seems to be about Fi-Ti axis. In his movies, actual physical mystery in the environment (N-S axis) is only funny background to real struggle of his characters, which is to be liked/appreciated by other people, or make difficult inter-personal decision. INTJ movies are about Ni-Si. It is about keeping Si people safe and Ni people free. And T-F axis of interpersonal feelings and hierarchy is funny part.
This Dave guy is definitely *not* an INTJ.
Definitely an extrovert.
It seems he types himself as an INTJ for “cool” factor due to INTJ intelligence and also to use TE as an excuse for his immoral behavior.
No _actual_ INTJ behaves in the manner Dave does. At all. My intuition says he’s an ESFP from what little I have seen of him.
Try to do a lil more research before confirming anything. INTJ's can be either the most antisocial mofos you'll ever see or the most social when they're really comfortable or both.
Personally I didn't try to type him yet but the Te and Ni dynamic is quite there, Idk in which order yet though...
@@johancaesar Hmmm, someone didn’t like my response to you. I believe it was objectively sound but perhaps there was something I missed. Or got right.
Oh well. ✌🏼
Ok but how do you know ☠️ extroversion and introversion is like something very personal to someone. Like "I get energy from being alone/with people" how do you know ☠️. Also this guy is def not an ENTJ if that's what you're trying to say.