Vruzend V4.0 kit: Building a DIY 18650 battery (no welds!)

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  • Опубліковано 31 гру 2024

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  • @trazos_d
    @trazos_d Рік тому +16

    eventho some people may argue about the amount of safety-first mentions and procedures you are following to build this kit, I really appreciate you take your responsibility on making this educational content as heavy as it should be regarding safe and preventive manipulation of lithium batteries.
    we don't know who will be the next enthusiast going from zero to full builds based only on their YT and internet acquired knowledge, and it's important to remark as many times as possible the amount of different ways things could go unexpectedly bad with this.
    pretty nice and good quality content btw, thank you.

  • @Simon_Rafferty
    @Simon_Rafferty Рік тому +12

    Amazing! I hate spot welding cells together - not because it's bad, or doesn't work, but because if a cell dies, it's virtually impossible to replace. This is a much more 'environmentally friendly' solution. Also means I can easily reconfigure the pack if I need for a new build.
    I tend to use thick leather welding gauntlets to cover the ends of the pack when I'm working on it. They don't slip or fall off like foam sheets can.

    • @tonypaddler
      @tonypaddler 9 місяців тому +1

      Indeed Simon, that is also the reason why I like this idea for a kit, easily replacing a bad cell. Built correctly, the batteries will keep a good connection, even over bumpy ground.

  • @sspence65
    @sspence65 Рік тому +8

    I received my 4.0 kit, and built a 12v pack (4s3p) using 18650 LiFePO4 cells. Added a LiFePO4 BMS and it works perfectly!

  • @Leonardokite
    @Leonardokite 2 роки тому +14

    That's definitely a handy little kit for building custom battery packs. Thanks for sharing!

  • @jadamsnz
    @jadamsnz 2 роки тому +9

    Just a thought - how about using one piece of rubber foam and cut out a "work window" from the middle. The window could be as long you need for the number of batteries in parallel by two batteries.

  • @loumon2
    @loumon2 2 роки тому +3

    Great tips to cover terminals to prevent any accidents. TY!!

  • @erikg3422
    @erikg3422 2 роки тому +12

    I have bought your kits in the past, since I didn't want to have to weld them. The problem I had both times was that they cracked within one year, making it useless for me. Will these new ones do the same thing?

    • @cilami
      @cilami Рік тому +1

      ☹️

    • @adrianTNT
      @adrianTNT 4 місяці тому

      Thanks for the tips, was there any padding around them ? Or maybe the plastics were against some metal frame / case directly ? I am thinking shocks and heat from batteries are a factor 🤔

  • @rptrower
    @rptrower Рік тому +3

    I hope the V4.0 kits hold up better than the V2.1 kits. I bought 2 of the V2.1 for a 52V pack. After building the pack it sat on a shelf in my shop, which stays at a constant 72 degrees, for 6 months while building my bike. When I started to install the battery pack fully half of the plastic terminal caps had split along the length. Contacted Vruzend about the problem and never received a reply.

  • @GregOnSummit
    @GregOnSummit Рік тому +4

    Kickstarter is over. Where can you get these v4.0 kits now? I don't see them on your site. Looking to build a 7s11p battery

  • @johnw65
    @johnw65 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks Micah for a great video! Are the nuts self locking? Or is some blue loctite recommended? The kits are all 36V. Any suggestions how to use 2/3 of the 2nd kit after making a 48V battery? A link to BMS installation is also needed. And maybe a link to heat-shrink battery sacks? I have a heat gun...You do a great job and attention to safety measures is appreciated.

  • @fasteddy917
    @fasteddy917 Рік тому +5

    Bunch of us bought these on Kickstarter. Months later there is no reply to where they are or the battery holders.

    • @mitch-j5x
      @mitch-j5x Рік тому +2

      Ya whats going on! I sent a message to you on kickstarter with no reply! Silence is not the way to deal with this dont you agree?

    • @fasteddy917
      @fasteddy917 Рік тому +2

      @@mitch-j5x
      I sent Kickstarter a message directly and they said it's up to us and the Vruzend because they don't want anything to do with it. They received their money and it's over. We are supposed to search around to find out how to contact the company. So much for Kickstarter's concern.

    • @bens6608
      @bens6608 Рік тому +3

      Absolute silence from them on the Kickstarter campaign since the end of February (when they said all rewards had been shipped) and it is now the end of April 2023. No way to communicate with them. No tracking. No reimbursement. Nothing but grief. If nothing else, I will have learned from the experience to NEVER EVER AGAIN finance another Kickstarter campaign again.

  • @gregyohngy
    @gregyohngy 2 роки тому +8

    I was wondering if you had a BMS that was ready to use with the new products. Of course, ring connectors make it idiot proof as my first preference. There are many types, but you might have favorites for the most needed scenario.

  • @blueblazer201
    @blueblazer201 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the video info. Looks 'easy' enough and I'm sure much less expensive than ordering a new battery pack from the manufacturer. One piece of advice I might suggest. When tightening down the buss bars, follow a 'Z pattern'. Bottom Left-Middle Right-Top Left, then follow with Top Right-Middle Left-Bottom Right. This should ensure 'even' pressure across every contact. Much like changing a car tire, skipping over every other stud, just snugly, then repeat the pattern to tighten up.

  • @CappuccinoDrives
    @CappuccinoDrives 2 роки тому +41

    Start turning counter clockwise when you screw the caps, turn until the threads click together, then screw it in. This will prevent cross threading and damaging your soft plastic parts.

    • @adrianTNT
      @adrianTNT 4 місяці тому

      I did this while screwing something on my car (it was in a service / shop) and the 'mechanic" there ... "HA, you are screwing it backwards" 🤡 His boss knew why I was doing that and got mad at that mechanic 😅

  • @GordLamb
    @GordLamb Рік тому +6

    Desperately want to order one of these kits! Any idea when they might be back in stock?

  • @juliauwanto7424
    @juliauwanto7424 9 місяців тому +1

    I wonder if this can implement into powerbank ,so we can switch battery if its go bad

  • @arupaeo
    @arupaeo 2 роки тому +7

    It still amazes me that this cell-based battery-building process scales from small consumer electronics all the way up to luxury EVs. I would love to learn more about the different BMS systems available today and their application to different types of projects.

  • @Ebikeboogie
    @Ebikeboogie Рік тому +2

    How do I purchase these are they out of stock ?

  • @lascellesreid-barlow8250
    @lascellesreid-barlow8250 2 роки тому +1

    Good kit that is safe and practical for people with no experience welding

  • @K5ATG
    @K5ATG Рік тому

    Great battery idea. I could see these being used in ham radio for field and emergency operations.

  • @yougeekyou
    @yougeekyou 2 роки тому +3

    Maybe you could comment on the cost comparison of these vs a welded style setup.. at what point does it make sense to buy a welder and use the cheaper kits?

    • @EbikeSchool
      @EbikeSchool  2 роки тому +3

      These are only more cost effective if you’re building a small number of batteries. Depending on the size of the battery, you could break even on a spot welder after 2-3 packs. But cost isn’t the main advantage. It’s the modularity and repair. You can’t (easily) disassemble a spot welded pack or replace one bad cell.

  • @DualTasticToday
    @DualTasticToday 2 роки тому

    Nice a 2 year or so evolution. Well done

  • @KetansaCreatesArt
    @KetansaCreatesArt 2 роки тому +1

    Have you done the break test of the 4 poles of it? The rigidity test, heat cold, weather test? Will they last atleast 4 years without making the contacts loose?

  • @shawnsebikesandstuff15
    @shawnsebikesandstuff15 2 роки тому +1

    I bought several V1 kits and V2 kits good for prototyping I ride high power ebikes too much resistance and makes the battery packs a little big had some that just stopped making connection after a few months but I have been using them in my lower power projects over the last 5 years .

  • @Matt-c5f9o
    @Matt-c5f9o Рік тому

    Cool kit, as for home back up/off grid batteries...do you think this is the most bang for the buck? So many options for batteries, battery kits, types of LiFePo4 batteries.

  • @anthonypayne9386
    @anthonypayne9386 2 роки тому +1

    I really enjoy learning about e-bikes and batteries! Thank you for sharing your knowledge. :)

  • @timheinlein7230
    @timheinlein7230 3 місяці тому

    I love the idea. seems like making the bus bars 2 through like 20 posts long would be beneficial. Looks like the kickstarter ended last year. how long until you can mass produce? I'm only seeing v1.6 and v2.1 on your site

  • @CheapHomeTech
    @CheapHomeTech 7 місяців тому +1

    As of today there are no kits available directly from them or Amazon. What's going on?

  • @brockedwards5896
    @brockedwards5896 2 роки тому

    I would really like to build myself a spare 52v battery. Thanks for all your great videos!

  • @gregyohngy
    @gregyohngy 2 роки тому +10

    I wanted to know if you could do a video on actual Ebike battery performance. People in general don't know that Ll batteries are not linear in their discharge rates. I was at 10% Saturday and 0% in about 8 blocks later. I too was supprised! I was not expecting to walk 5 blocks to my destination! 😱
    It took me an additional 15 minutes⏰ to my expected 25 minute trip! 😵

    • @kennmossman8701
      @kennmossman8701 2 роки тому +4

      'no' battery is linear in their discharge but Li batteries are more linear than those over most of their discharge. It might be more your charge indicator being off or too simplistic

    • @FreeOfFantasy
      @FreeOfFantasy Рік тому

      The problem isn't really that the performance of batteries isn't linear, it's that estimating the remaining charge state is hard. The discharge curve of Li batteries is very flat, there is nearly no change between 80 and 30% nominal capacity and often enough and often enough for battery protection reasons they don't get discharged below ~10%. However the voltage is also current dependent, so what looked like 10% without load will have collapsed to nearly protection circuit limited point once load is applied.

    • @adrianTNT
      @adrianTNT 4 місяці тому

      Probably better to avoid discahring it below 10%, not worth the wear.

  • @shepgre
    @shepgre 2 роки тому +1

    I need to learn how to do this safely. Thanks

  • @patrickmckowen2999
    @patrickmckowen2999 6 місяців тому +1

    Still in the kickstarter!!!

  • @offgrid2010
    @offgrid2010 9 місяців тому

    How would you compare the internal resistance of this set up to a spot welded system? Also, leakage.

  • @TimFlebbe
    @TimFlebbe Рік тому

    Are they going to make them for 21700 batteries? Easy to follow video, thanks.

  • @coyote1849
    @coyote1849 2 роки тому

    I like the looks of these kits, thank you!

  • @guillermopliego5412
    @guillermopliego5412 2 роки тому +1

    where can I buy tha t kit I really like me I bought yours books about batteries panels

  • @aggibson74
    @aggibson74 Рік тому

    When will these be available again? Looks like they are sold out on the website.

  • @jackpalmer5067
    @jackpalmer5067 10 місяців тому

    I really enjoyed for informational video. Open my eyes to new possibles,
    Any new 21700 series batteries

  • @tonypaddler
    @tonypaddler 9 місяців тому

    Is there any chance of a 21700 kit being available soon?
    Cheers 👍

  • @Phoenix540
    @Phoenix540 5 місяців тому

    If I have two batteries with BMS would I be able to wire them in parallel and even charge them in parallel without having to replace the BMS or re-wire the whole pack?

  • @singlespeed2760
    @singlespeed2760 2 роки тому

    Always learning something new from your videos, thanks.

  • @pyrofful
    @pyrofful Рік тому

    Wouldn't coating the bus bars with a thin layer of dielectric grease help long-term or is that just over kill?

  • @MikeZ8709
    @MikeZ8709 Рік тому +1

    I love the idea of these kits but I plan to use ~300 cells and I can't justify an additional $400+. I know these are new and production costs are likely higher for you than for some big company. If they were half the cost I'd be considering it, if they were 1/3rd I'd probably do it - especially given the ability to replace dead cells w/o rebuilding the pack.

  • @hakanwall8941
    @hakanwall8941 Рік тому

    Hi went in on your website @ VRUZEND DIY Battery Kit. But can only find the version 2.1 kit, are the 4.0 kit not available anymore?
    Thank you

  • @bigwheelsturning
    @bigwheelsturning Рік тому

    When are you going to make a version 5.0 for 21700 batteries????? I can get them in the US for pretty cheap and they offer a lot more power per cell. Can get a 20ah battery with only 40 cells using Samsung 50E's

  • @RPRosen-ki2fk
    @RPRosen-ki2fk 2 роки тому

    Wow, that's an AWESOME DIY kit, if you want to avoid soldering or welding.

  • @OldWanderingMillennial
    @OldWanderingMillennial Рік тому

    Thanks for doing what you do.

  • @ejonesss
    @ejonesss Рік тому

    when will the new kits be for sale on the site?

  • @jonnymeyer8572
    @jonnymeyer8572 4 місяці тому

    Are these kits ever going to be available to buy beyond the kickstarter? If not, can we just resin print them ourselves and buy some hardware?

  • @AndrewHamilton-u8i
    @AndrewHamilton-u8i 4 місяці тому +1

    I need the company you got in from for 36 voit 48 voit 500watt

  • @aadmonk
    @aadmonk 2 роки тому +7

    Looks like a cool kit. I wish they offered an all in one kit i.e. cells , holders , connectors, bms , insulators ,heat shrink and wire in different voltages and capacity.

    • @marcpootmans7454
      @marcpootmans7454 Рік тому +2

      But he doesn't deliver what's ordered, and no followup after, so avoid him.

  • @MattFixesStuff
    @MattFixesStuff 16 днів тому

    No fuses between the cells ?

  • @Zimiorg
    @Zimiorg 2 роки тому +1

    Is there a recommended torque (Nm / lbft) for the negative caps if i want to use a torquewrench?

    • @e-bikerbulgaria
      @e-bikerbulgaria 2 роки тому

      Yeah, that is essential these days that torque is specified to prevent any guess work. Uk, all electrical work the torque settings are known and are plenty of multi-drivers that allow torque to be set. The new version is a vast improvement from the original kit of I bought.

  • @njfulwider5
    @njfulwider5 2 роки тому +2

    I never thought I'd see these anymore on your channel. Might have to get some to review and share on my channel and Facebook page. These look much better and way more easier to build. I just built a 10s4p battery, I plan on sharing on my channel for a 42v ups. It actually looks like the 3p might fit what I need better. Great review👍👍👍👍👍👍

    • @njfulwider5
      @njfulwider5 2 роки тому

      Might be hard to get backers. I went to the site and the current pledge was 5000$ and no backers. I'll have to check back in a week or 2 and hope they get backers and the pledge goes down considerably.

    • @sspence65
      @sspence65 Рік тому

      @@njfulwider5 wasn't hard to get the backers they needed. Fully funded.

    • @njfulwider5
      @njfulwider5 Рік тому

      @@sspence65 I might have to check again. I have a UA-cam channel I'm starting back up in the next few weeks. Would be awsome to just test a battery pack with this. I've been filming like crazy, so I'll be releasing videos soon👍👍👍👍

    • @njfulwider5
      @njfulwider5 Рік тому

      @@sspence65 is there a site you can purchase these?

    • @marcpootmans7454
      @marcpootmans7454 Рік тому +1

      @@sspence65 Fully funded, but some rewards not being delivered. NO Canadians andf one Swiss failed to get their Kickstarter items.

  • @LA-Creative
    @LA-Creative Рік тому

    I want to buy some of these but the site says everything is sold out.☹️ Is this still in production?

  • @williamnunez9609
    @williamnunez9609 2 роки тому

    Is it possible just to make single battery molds into 36, 48, etc... as a whole plastic piece, that would save time building would it not, it would be more solid and the still leave the ends for adding loose battery molds in case you want to go from 36 volt and upgrade, even combine a 36volt to a 36volt and same to other, or mix and match.

  • @peterkacandes5905
    @peterkacandes5905 2 роки тому

    I wonder if their some way to design them offset to minimize the space it takes up.

  • @jimcreech338
    @jimcreech338 8 місяців тому

    How do I order V4 kits. I went to the kickstarted link but don't see how I can place my order? Thanks

  • @NoThingL0se
    @NoThingL0se Рік тому +1

    very nice, please put it for sale in Turkey.

  • @putteslaintxtbks5166
    @putteslaintxtbks5166 Рік тому

    Looks like a great way, without spot welding for a battery build and would be easy to change out problem cells because of no welds, but I would think to replace a ebike battery, with limited area, one would need to downsize as they look to take alot more space than a welded battery. I wonder too what type plastic they use. If a very durable type like HDPE (like 5 gal. buckets, milk jugs, laundry soaps, shopping bags), they should take alot, but if of a brirtle plastic, they may not be good for, say a dual battery on a ebike going off-road?

    • @marcpootmans7454
      @marcpootmans7454 Рік тому +4

      There are reports of the plastic crumbling and the batteries breaking. No need to describe the potential issues with a separated battery pack.
      Micah may be a scam artist. None of the Canadian backers of the Version 4 project received their reward kits. Many believe he didn't bother sending them. If so, that would make him a scam artist. No one has received feedback nor replies from him nor from Kickstarter to contacts and complaints. Zero feedback. There have been no replies to questions or requests for a sender name and address so we could check with the CBSA for any issues. Nothing.

  • @vargasandor1716
    @vargasandor1716 Рік тому

    I have a v3 Vruzend kit and the largest center battery case (Hailong Polly) Unfortunately the battery box manufacturers made narrow case. Max useful width in case is 7cm in the 9.5cm box. The Vruzend height is 9cm, if the batteries ideal direction is laid down. Witch is the good ebike battery case it fits?

  • @imspartacvs
    @imspartacvs 2 роки тому

    Very nice system.
    I didnt look through your site but wonder if it makes sense to make bus bars of different length i.e. 2, 3, 4... for different cell set ups.

  • @gregsmith1116
    @gregsmith1116 2 роки тому

    Thanks! Great information for a spare battery for an ebike battery! Nice!

  • @blise518B
    @blise518B 2 роки тому +14

    For vehicles clamped battery’s will never be as good and reliable as a welded ones. You will always have microscopic movement that degrades the contact point with the harsh e bike environments. In my opinion clamped is only suitable for stationary packs.

    • @Ratseeker
      @Ratseeker 5 місяців тому

      So clamps only good for portable power banks? Why are their no 21700 swappable power banks for charging electronics?

  • @rafiquep701
    @rafiquep701 4 місяці тому

    You need to add info. on BMS too

  • @BobPhleming
    @BobPhleming Рік тому

    Neat idea, just a shame that Vruzend haven't fulfilled my pledge and do not reply to questions on Kickstarter. Got notification that shipping had completed back in February, it's now getting on for June and I've not seen any sign of my three kits, nor heard anything from Vruzend. I'm not the only one either.

    • @mitch-j5x
      @mitch-j5x Рік тому

      Same thing happened to me unfortunately, jury is out as to whether I get me money back!

    • @EbikeSchool
      @EbikeSchool  Рік тому

      Hey @chasp3497 and @michaelm8159 - I'm trying to chase this down. I've heard from a few international backers that their kits never arrived. Did you guys get yours? I'm trying to follow up with the Vruzend team to see how many people are affected. The last they told me, all kits were shipped out in February I think.

    • @Joly0
      @Joly0 Рік тому

      Hey ​@@EbikeSchool i have not recived my kit yet aswell. Its so sad, we get no response or anything from vruzend, not even contacting them through their website....

    • @Joly0
      @Joly0 11 місяців тому

      ​@@EbikeSchoolHey, its now january 2024 and i have not yet receivee anything. Is there any new information please??

  • @mfkman
    @mfkman 6 днів тому

    As the kickstarter is over, where can I purchase them now? Also, is anything like this available for 21700 cells?

  • @catalinbelibou5812
    @catalinbelibou5812 Рік тому

    I’d like to mention that if the thread will be bit longer it will help a lot more as i struggle with existing threads. So just to clarify that if you want to thigh up properly you’ll damage the thread itself.

  • @nirajpawar1145
    @nirajpawar1145 Рік тому

    Hi, can you help me in making battery level indicator for 36v battery pack?

  • @litvinenkoalexander5331
    @litvinenkoalexander5331 2 роки тому +1

    Very well explained, thank you very much. The tool is also very good.

  • @sspence65
    @sspence65 Рік тому

    I'm looking at a DL24P load tester for testing my LiFePO4 18650 pack. Trying to find a good LiFePO4 bms and a charger for low solar days. Any recommendations? Waiting for my Vruzend 4.0 kit to arrive.

  • @teamfrankenmerc
    @teamfrankenmerc 2 роки тому

    That’s a cool new system. Do they offer packages with everything? Batteries, BMS, charger, etc

  • @zahaidrahman2052
    @zahaidrahman2052 Рік тому

    Version 4 isn't on the website!

  • @wayneyoung5959
    @wayneyoung5959 2 роки тому

    Need to get one of those kit

  • @Busabuck100
    @Busabuck100 Рік тому

    Could a 52 volt pack and a 24 v pack be connected in series, for 76 volts total, be used with a Bafang BBSHD ?

  • @amberswift3086
    @amberswift3086 2 роки тому

    I really like this kit!

  • @marknthetrails7627
    @marknthetrails7627 Рік тому

    Very helpful, thanks 👍✌🖖🥃Safety, safety, safety. I may end up making a bike battery to extend my bike range yet...

  • @markdawson808
    @markdawson808 2 роки тому

    That's a neat project.

  • @LA-Creative
    @LA-Creative Рік тому

    I love this!

  • @eugenehollerup74
    @eugenehollerup74 Рік тому

    Where can I buy this kit let me know

  • @o1ecypher
    @o1ecypher 2 роки тому

    i would like the book about making my own batteries, didnt you make these 3d printed?

  • @videowatcher4122
    @videowatcher4122 Рік тому

    Hi micah, i never got my kits i backed in kickstarter

  • @Dylan-p2u
    @Dylan-p2u 5 місяців тому +1

    Hey Mikey! Where can I purchase this kit?

    • @adrianTNT
      @adrianTNT 4 місяці тому

      absolutely David 😏

  • @417cycleguy
    @417cycleguy Рік тому +4

    I like this non-weld approach

  • @I2X2
    @I2X2 2 роки тому

    Awesome kit! I’ll look into getting one

  • @Familyadventure369
    @Familyadventure369 2 роки тому

    def a good kit to try out

  • @stevebonser4414
    @stevebonser4414 2 роки тому

    So i take it this avoids the damage to the positive end that could happen with the old design. What's hilarious I was wondering just before jumping on the site if there was anyone still using the kits and how they were handling the crunched positive connection.

  • @illla
    @illla Рік тому

    Do they do such kit for 21700 batteries?

  • @randonloebsolvingproblems4421
    @randonloebsolvingproblems4421 2 роки тому

    Do you make a .stl or other CAD file available for the cell holders?

  • @gord6696
    @gord6696 Рік тому

    Always good info!

  • @SpacePatriot
    @SpacePatriot Рік тому

    How come I cannot find this kit on the website anymore?

  • @iambramlet4593
    @iambramlet4593 2 роки тому

    Can you rebuild a factory 48v internal into a 52v?

  • @Gabriel-c5n6m
    @Gabriel-c5n6m 7 місяців тому

    Were can I get akit

  • @miguelcasco5080
    @miguelcasco5080 2 роки тому

    Muy buen video !!, saludos desde Paraguay

  • @srirammech100
    @srirammech100 Рік тому

    Hi can you suggest me a good BMS for commercial purpose ? High power and low power battery pack.
    Expecting good warranty bms and definitely not china cheap bms

  • @StorysongswithScott
    @StorysongswithScott Рік тому

    Love your products!

  • @bj97301
    @bj97301 2 роки тому

    How many amps can the buss bar do?

  • @tiberiupuscas8829
    @tiberiupuscas8829 Рік тому

    Does anyone have a working link for these kits please links in the description do not work. ta

  • @corneliussianturi476
    @corneliussianturi476 Рік тому

    I just want to know something about e Bike, it's about volt tho cause I've been wondering for a moment that, can 60v E bike using 48 volt battery?

  • @ronaldjohnson8180
    @ronaldjohnson8180 2 роки тому

    Should be pretty solid build