This is the ideal blend. I wish more OEMs would invest in PHEV. 50miles full EV =reduce 90% of daily mileage for commuters without being tied to charging network (home or work will do) not to mention range anxiety. Oh and you don’t need to log around a 90+Kw battery when you only need 20-30. So in resources, three PHEVs to one EV.
50 miles EV range on a PHEV means adding a 35 kWh battery. That creates a packaging hell for an ICE platform. While it is not impossible, the space will need to be taken from passengers or luggage. And why is it that EVs still make sense? Because they are 2x+ more efficient than PHEVs and they use the juice in their batteries better. All calculations are based on extrapolating parameters of Mazda CX-90 PHEV.
Also curb weight of such vehicle projected on CX-90 PHEV with double the battery size approached 5500 lbs, which is more than what a Tesla Model X weighs…
I'm pretty sure a big part of the reason why the sales and search numbers are skewed towards the ICE models is because of the horrific styling of the EQ's. Great video Motoman!!
@@tonymccurdy7623Agreed, I'm not mad at electric vehicles, I'm mad that we're getting EV's shoved down our throats. This should be gradual and until the market is ready, just like the switch from carburetors to fuel injection which I clearly remember.
Great video. The BMW X5 50e loses cargo space and the ability for a spare tire of any sort over the standard engine X5. Is the same true for the 450e vs. the regular 450? I really wish Mercedes had kept the 6 cylinder in this as the X5 50e w/the 6 cylinder is at a similar price point and I'd rather have a 6 cylinder.
I’m ready for a phev E Class, which will hopefully come to the US with next year’s refresh? My wife’s GLE350 is an excellent vehicle. I agree with your comments about the inherent goodness baked in to this platform. I believe the Merc tech package and driver aids are the best in the business.
@MBUSA why no 6 cyliner in this model? For this price point buyers don't want 4 cylinders. The refreshed X5 xDrive 50e is a much more compelling product and comes with a gutsy inline 6. I own a 2019 E450 and glad to see the refreshed W214 is still retaining a 6 cylinder. If the option is a 4 cylinder motor or pure EV, at that point I'd just take a pure EV over a 4 banger hybrid.
I hope Mercedes brings the GLC300 PHEV to the US! The European version is amazing and checks all the boxes for me. I'd probably need to gas it up every few months.
@@SoulPowered Maybe we’ll find out in couple months. We can already order a GLE PHEV. That one is rated at 38 miles on battery for the US. The GLC PHEV is getting about twice as much in Europe
We just got an EQB which is the entry level fully electric MB cars, and it's fantastic. The range is about 230 miles, which covers all regional driving without any range anxiety. It also accelerates fast enough to get the next speeding ticket asap :) Filling station is in our garage, assisted by solar panels on the roof. We don't miss spending time at gas stations and pay for very expensive fuel to burn one bit :)
Thank you for the nice video (as usual!). I own a GLE 350de since aug 2021 and have to say that I am more than happy with my merc. So far have driven over 60.000 km, 68% in pure electric mode (comuter to work 100 km a day) I wonder why in the whole world I cannot order a new facelifted model (no GLE phevs online here in sweden neither in the usa). So, MB, what is going on with you guys? I've been waiting for 6 months since the facelift was announced and the only GLE model I can order here is an AMG! No need to mention the prices that went up almost 50% for the same model and configuration. That's crazy! Now a GLE PHEV is like a Porsche Cayenne PHEV- with the same price here in Sweden! Unbelievable
I think one of the reasons ist the semiconductor shortage, hybrids need a lot more than the ice models. So in the meanwhile they primarily sell the ice versions outside of Germany. Hybrid Mercedes are about 6-18 months wait time currently in Germany.
You say bmw does 2.0 liter engines in their midsize cars and crossovers better, but they don’t cheap out with a 2.0 in any of their midsize and above SUVs, they’re all standard with a 3.0 liter I-6 which to me is the minimum for a “luxury” suv. I think it’s what truly separates it from this. The x5 50e gets 50+ miles of real world electric range, paired with a 3.0L engine that goes 0-60 in high 3s / low 4s. It somehow ALSO gets the same, if not better, fuel economy when operating in hybrid mode. I think it’s truly just the superior drivetrain and overall package.
I have had a Mercedes GLCe from 2020. At its peak in the summer, it gives 35 Km of electric range (drops to 26 Km in winter in Canada). I work 10 Km from home, so my electricity takes me to and from work daily without any gas consumption. My trip computer on the car says that, for the 3+ years that I've had this car, I've driven 35000 Km total, but 29000 of the total is electric. So the engine has only worked for 6000 Km! The car has done a couple of road trips, and I never worried about range, as I could easily fill up at any gas station on the route. Now my other car is a Tesla Y, which I've had for just over a year. Lots of good things in the Tesla for the user, and I've never had any range anxiety issues for my day to day use. However, I decided to take the Tesla on the last road trip to Seattle, which is 230 Km away from home. I just made it there on the full charge, but I had to keep thinking about where the next charge was going to come from the entire trip. Yes, there are fast chargers in many places, but they are usually out of my planned route. And on this trip, it was cold and rainy/windy, so the thought of finding a supercharger and then getting out of the car to plug it in, and then sit there for the charging time, wasn't a comforting thought. My family consists of just my wife and myself now, so we don't need the GLE (I've owned 4 in the past). If Mercedes would make a new version of the GLCe but with the 100 Km range, it would be my ideal car for day to day use and for road trips! Why are we only doing it in the larger vehicles?
Crazy how car weight has gone down so much in the last 20 years. I've got an absolutely mint 2003 Buick Park Ave Ultra with every option and 58,000 miles on it today. It weighs over 5200lbs!
My new GLE 450e has a serious safety issue. Picked up my new 2024 GLE 450e with 8 miles on it on 6/26/24. Inspection at pickup was unremarkable. WIthin two hours, with 16 miles on it, the hood latch alarm activated. Visual inspection showed right side of hood was raised about 1/4 inch above fender. Drove directly to dealer, and service tech opened and closed hood, commenting on the light lever feel. Drove in parking lot with tech and the hood unlatched on its own. I now have a loaner, and the future of this car is yet to be determined. How did this car pass inspections at the factory and at the dealer?
Excellent video! I don't know when you filmed this, but a lot of the options and pricing has been released. In fact, I think the EPA rated it (I can't find any info though) because it looks like these have been released for sale and are in transit to dealers. Anyway, the base price is $69,500, exact same as the 6 cylinder mild hybrid GLE450.
My wife and I just drove one. Loved it. We ordered a new one since she didn't like the color or interior. We went to look at the EQS, but cannot get over the range anxiety of 300 mile range. Notice to manufactures: some people like to have fun like: driving to beach, driving to mountains, going to Vegas, etc.
It looks like a nice car but I would go EQE first for sure. I will let others deal with gas stations and oil changes. A PHEV makes sense for some no doubt but I would say an EV will fit for most if not now at least in 5 years.
My sister in law was on her way to my house, and she was coming from Boston to NY but when she was 20 mins she had to go get the car charged and a 20 min wait turned into 2 hrs+ because they had to find a charging station and then charge their ev lol.... I'll take a plug in hybrid first
IMHO, there is only one EV I would buy on the market: the Lucid. I will never buy a vehicle with less than 500 mile range. Never. A lot of people commute, but there are a lot of us that drive...
This is something I’d buy over a pure EV. My only wish would be slightly better EV only range which would require a larger battery and add more weight to the vehicle unfortunately, but also a way for the gas engine to recharge the battery internally while driving in gas only mode. Great review!
Bad idea for the vehicle. It adds weight, and it increases the range. MB (no car manufacturer) wants more range than this. At 50 miles, you will occasionally be required to run the gas motor. At 100 miles, it maybe 6 months. Bad for the gas, bad for the motor, bad for the fuel pump. You need the ICE engine to run occasionally for this to work
Before only the BMW i3 hat a range more then 100 km and then had range extender, but BMW i3 is now only all electric. This is perfect choice with 100km. Great Mercedes.
I see seat control on the door for 2nd row seats, which package/option gets them? I have been told by the dealer its not an option for 450e due to battery setup at the trunk.
I wish manufacturers had to report depleted battery MPG. I had a Wrangler 4XE for a little while and when the battery was depleted for electric only use, the MPG were absolutely horrible (I'm talking 14 MPG).
But that's exactly WHY they don't have to report it - it's part of the government's dishonesty behind the EV push. These PHEVs get shitty mileage, and most have smaller engines than their ICE counterparts, so they are underpowered to boot - once the battery is depleted. Still makes sense for some people, just like EV's do for a different driver - it just depends on how you use the vehicle. But they are not nearly as practical for as large of a group of people, or as efficient, as the government wants us to believe.
23.3 kWh, that's nice. Need to work on EV efficiency still, I guess? That body height and style may never be truly eco. The cells used for such a larger PHEV ought to be lower cost than for a 5 kWh or 1 kWh pack expected to provide the same power. If we say this is 1/4 of a Plaid pack, it would be good for peaks of 250 hp and on longer pulls, fade to 200 hp and multi-minute track use around 125 hp. Really FINE, right? And Plaid cells can't be very expensive, maybe $120-150/kWh?
I am impressed with the gas milage on my 2020 GLE450.. I get maybe even better gas mileage than my 2017 Porsche 718S which is a turbo 4 banger and very light.
LOL, you inspired me to drive down to my local Mercedes dealership to check out this new car (EU version with a diesel). I currently drive a Cayenne and I’m not 100% crazy about it. Weird how things seem cheap when comparing to Porsche 😂😂😂
Funny, just got out of a Cayenne today - you'll see that episode on Saturday - and while they are different, I would not say one is better than the other with the exception of driving dynamics.
Maybe the legacy auto makers are finally realising that they could hold their market share if they bring practical PHEVs to market with a range of at least 50 miles in real world and DC charging capability. Range Rover have also twigged this.
I for one would be interested to see someone do a proper proof of concept with a Koenigsegg Direct Drive style drivetrain. No gearbox at all, just a torque converter that is manually opened/closed with a paddle behind the wheel. Clever hybrid integration for low speed pull and reverse gear. Koenigsegg triumped Direct Drive with the record holding Regera car, but abandoned it for the Gemera 4-seater that is getting AWD. For most driving, DD might still suffice, and crucially: be fun to drive. Halving the Koenigsegg's top speed helps A LOT for every day use. A torquey diesel motor (that stll revs decently high) could be great. Always in the 125 mph/200 kph gear, torque converter can double the revs = half the gearing effectively. So drive away in the 62 mph gear, and then always the hybrid would be there to help, as it cleverly recharges from fuel every chance it gets, no not get stuck in an one-way uphill alley with empty battery, that would suck.
PHEVs make so much sense, but at these prices, it’s like a celebrity pretending to care about the environment, but flying the private jet from LA to Vegas. Nonsensical and borderline hypocritical, specially because you’re paying a premium for the PHEV model over the ICE model, so you’d have to drive the car for 300,000 miles to see the savings in gas, but realistically speaking, a Mercedes is not reliable enough once they hit 50,000 miles without MAJOR repair costs, so the whole thing just makes no sense at all!
Great video Motoman!! I see seat control on the door for 2nd row seats, which package/option gets them? I have been told by the dealer its not an option for 450e due to battery setup at the trunk.
Is it in USA? If possible do you have the 2nd row power control option code number or package name? I will purchase the vehicle asap based on your review
Now what can be done to make these PHEVs less heavy? Range cells from powerful EVs that offer good cycle count, that would help. Smaller engine, we know how to get plenty from small engines now, right? And tie the hybrid side into the ICE side in a clever way that allows super efficient EV driving, smooth and efficient "self charging" when getting low but wanting some reserve to arrive at the cul the sac or UN headquarters in style.
A single motor on the rear diff, no gear tunnel to send ICE power there. Would that be acceptable? On the ICE, a motor/generator that can be fully detached through a clutch. On real long distance cruises 55-80 mph, the ICE does the job, in final drive, in perfect rpm range, agree? Then we only need to figure wheth we actually need for a gearbox to be there. Koenigsegg shows "not really". PHEVs need much lower top speed gearing, which actually helps the direct drive (with torque converter) configuration: ICE can do its thing with good torque from a lower speed. In the Koenigsegg Regera it's 30 mph, in a PHEV road car that could be 15-20 mph, with a diesel maybe 10-15 mph, using the rev doubling torque converter. Below that, we have a sizable drive battery and instant torque motor which helps all the way to top speed, or a bit less even if better for overall efficiency to have it rev a bit, but be detached over 100 mph.
Extra 200 lbs... with a 23.3 kWh battery? lol... good luck with that one. They save a bit of weight with the smaller engine, but then add in that battery (which is larger than most PHEVs) and likely 2 electric motors, inverters, charging equipment, and wiring, and you're easily looking at an additional 500-700 lbs.
The only reason why this PHEV exist bc buyers still want to enjoy the best of both worlds! Fill it up less frequent and less range anxiety. Also the look of GLE is much better than the EQS or EQE SUV looks cheap and compact like a sedan!
I like the leather structures on the dash and seats. A little more rugged and a good choice of colors. I can't get used to my new profile "name" forced by youtube, what about you all?
With long range cars geting more powerful, their CHEAP cells can be used for PHEV us, I guess? Take 1/5th (exactly one module) of a Plaid battery, that's 20 kWh. Good for 200h hp the way the Plaid is good for 1000 hp. Peaky, but it'll work for every day driving. 200 hp boost is NICE, sight? A 200 hp hybrid motor is nothing strange. Could be place behind a gearbox to torque fill and not load the gearbox. A cute little 4-cyl more than suffices. Let alone Koenigseggs super tiny featherweight 3-cyl with 600 hp. With a light ICE and gearbox, battery weight is less of a problem. And with ground up design, if it ever happens for PHEVs from Europe, is easily tucked away. The 120 kWh of sedans is tucked away as well, right? And they're getting 150 kWh soon.
This looks like a shoe - design wise a blue basket ball shoe, but its an interesting bridge car - if you don't have reliable charging infrastructure around, if you have a combination of long distance driving and town, great is also the CCS fast charger not many cars offer this. Also the pricing is competitive - which luxury EV SUV can you get? I don't see any. Only question for me is - how is the value after 3 years? Nobody knows.... great review!
I just leased one, mbusa is setting the 3 year residual at 52% for 7500m/year and 59% on a 2 year lease, this also qualifies or is getting the $7500 federal rebate.
I am not a fan of SUVs. Since VW ruined it for everyone here in North America, I miss European diesels. This model in Europe is available with a diesel and an electric motor; GLE 350de 4MATIC. Absolutely wonderful vehicle to drive considering it’s fuel efficiency and luxury interior. The only vehicle I love more is the upcoming new E Class with a diesel electric setup; E 300de 4MATIC. We should be getting these diesels here in North America with all long distance driving we do in comparison to the Europeans; It makes more sense to have these diesel electric vehicles here in North America than in Europe but of course sensibility has disappeared in todays world…
One could say Mercedes dipped it's toes into the race to the bottom with quality in the late 90s, then went full belly flop with the turd $24,995 C230 Coupe.
.... oh so true, but that is until you drive the EQE or larger, the EQS SUV variants. Get the + versions: longer range. It really comes down to ethics! How can you explain to the next generation that, for the same budget (about), you could have not chosen to add another fossil fuel burner into the bunch? Aren't there too many of these to begin with? Let's get over it, with this type of budget there are numerous EV options. Otherwise beautiful car and great test, thanks!
I purchased, new, a GLE 550e plug-in hybrid. The Mercedes has been the worst vehicle ownership experience of my life. The vehicle has had transmission problems since it was new, it developed a leak in the rear differential a few months in, the air suspension failed at 40,000 km, there is a recall notice for the fuel pump control unit and I just received a letter indicating that the air conditioning compressor might fail prematurely. Worse than the technical problems, is the dismissive attitude of Mercedes customer service that says the transmission jolts and lurches that I continue to experience are normal for a $100,000 luxury vehicle. Not to mention that the electric range is much less than what was advertised when I ordered it.
Nice, but that 4 cyl kicking in when you're towing is gonna ruin it. None of these hybrid electrics can properly tow. If you have a boat, stay far away ftom these if you want any sort of longevity that traditional Mercedes are known for....
I would have bought this over the X50e but it had 3 major flaws. 1) engine is a 4 cylinder lol 2) No hands free highway driving like on the BMW. 3) reliability is much worse than BMW. 3 strikes you are out…Sad!
most people who buy phev will not put a charger at their house. Further putting a strain on the limited charging infrastructure. Always looking for a loophole mentality, the choices they pick do not help solve any problems but only present an image of they trying to solve a problem.
In a mocking tone, you say “you are going electric, and you are going to like it.” The thing is you more than likely will like it. For everyday driving, It is an objectively better experience, and, MUCH easier to maintain than an ICE vehicle. Now before you get your panties in a bunch, I am referring to the average driver who has home access to a plug, and not those who understand the romantic aspect of our older technology.
Yes, it was a mocking tone, however not from a driving perspective. Yes, they are wonderful to daily. Rather, the mocking tone is due to the logic governments around the world have used to push aggressive EV mandates. Timing is woefully unrealistic.
Thank you motoman for your hard work,I always appreciate your time🙏, but with "cars" like this I'm missing your excitement and I know very well WHY there's 000 happiness. It is a time to pour a glass of cleanest wine as possible. Car industry,as almost all other industries all over the world,is going to one direction only and it's happening very fast. Putting the seat belts on doesn't helps this time. If someone sees the light in the end of this nonsense,he must be a very confused person. WHATEVER anyone says!
I get it. They are not exciting. That is until you daily one. That is where a vehicle like this shines. To be able to use it in EV on the regular around town and then have unlimited long distance range is the 'excitement'. We'll see more of these shortly. Probably with range in excess of 50 miles.
With the Lexus 450h + and Rav4 Prime you have about 220 hp with the two electric motors. I wonder why luxury car makers are not also putting as much EV hp in their PHEV’s as Toyota does. I’m sure the Lexus isn’t in the same league as this Mercedes, but it’s efficient in EV and HV mode so I think it accomplishes the mission of the hybrid better than the competition. Also, if you stomp on the accelerator the engine will not come on which I like.
.......................... " In your dreams!!! " I’m sure the Lexus isn’t in the same league as this Mercedes,"...... my Lexus 450h+ F Sport is so much nicer All Carbon Fiber rear wings....All Carbon Fiber interior I gained 17k driving it off the lot and the Depreciation is ZERO vs the 40K the Dog' plastic front air scoop front fascia and Fake rear exhaust Dog cedes Euro Crap... had many cedes...... all head aches and LOST BIG $ on via RE-Sale!!
click-bait title... The 2024 Cayenne E-Hybrid gets 45 miles of real-world all-electric city range (< 45 mph), and the RAV4 Prime gets 50 miles of real-world all-electric city range. I started watching this video, thinking that we're talking 75-100 miles of all-electric range for this Merc... sigh...
I agree (14:00) that PHEVs with longer EV range is the proper direction for automakers to go, enroute to wider BEV acceptance in a decade or two…. I’d love to see good PHEVs with 100 miles of EV range!
Electrification is part solution to a very serious problem. I'm not sure when it became socially acceptable to be a middle aged man who behaves like a crybaby who lost his toys. But it definitely goes a long way to explaining the worst generation in US history. The first not to improve what they were given for the next generation.
Until the whole inlet kerfuffle is ironed out and one plug rules the day, I’m not encouraging anyone to buy anything that needs a plug until North America finishes its whimsical transition from the standard you used in this episode to Elon’s self declared standard which is really just a Tesla plug that currently only Tesla’s can use which is not a standard at all but is one EV Manufacturer’s design. By the way in 16 minutes I charged up 68% which is 53kW for an additional 154 miles of range at an EA Station on a 77.4kWh 2023 IONIQ 5 using that CCS Standard Plug. If I used a Tesla Magic Doc it would have taken an hour and 16 minutes. See the improvement? Neither do I‼️ 14:42
Yes, but bare in mind: 1) This vehicle electrical performance stops at 50 miles per hour 2) This vehicle performance is not good for winter environments ( need to heat up the battery and performance below normal hwy speeds only with less mileage range) 3) This vehicle will be pain to fix down the road ( It is complex with cooling technology, it is complex in terms of endurance with electric components, etc..) 4) This vehicle like others is not like Lexus RX hybrid performance Etc… He suggests today’s feel of vehicle not overall endurance and performance in different environments…
................................... Boooooooooooo!.. the Lexus elec only stops at 85 MPH and uses REGULAR GAS on the ICE...this requires Premium and the Lexus gets 89 miles per gallon in PHEV mode with a dedicated switch to charge 100% of time if desired!....Get a LEXUS!
............... A much better option is the 450h+ "F" Sport bu Lexus...it is faster @ 5.5 sec 0 to 60 (Via road and track) however the Lexus has a " Adaptive Suspension " Stiffens in the curves and Softens on the highway...and unlike the Mercedes No Freak'n air bag that are notorious for Reliability issues....You will make 17Kjust driving the 450h+ "F " Sport off the lot! Thoughts on the Lexus * 450h+ “F” Sport NX: .......Although the 450h+ "F" Sport is VERY quick (big elec batt assist out of hole elec chirps all wheels) * Note: there is No dog Turbo so NEVER a time lag to spool up.....This vehicle is Naturally Aspirated!......it was Not the added speed I was after but rather, the OPTIONS: i.e. to use NO Freak'n Gas.... at all..... however, if need be, use regular & in Hybred mode you get .......*Yep! * 89 miles of eMPG that is huge!!!!....My thought is NOT to use the polluting oil consuming, maintenance monster ICE. ( I do however fire it once every two months for about 1 mile Jus' to keep the Fluids circulating ad gaskets moist. Change the OIL every year even though there is VERY little use as Oil deteriorates.....At this RATE the ICE will be virtually Brand new in years to come....GREAT TO HAVE A BACKUP!.....This is why I mentioned the 450h+ F Sport is the finest built vehicle! *~*~*~ RUN.........D0-Not walk to the NX 450h+ "F" Sport.....My wife has the new RX 350 and much firmer ride requires Freak'n gas and simply pushing around more mass for no reason...the 450h+ "F" sport has increased in re-Sale Value by 13K!!! / econ 101. “NX” 450h+ “F” Sport is the VERY BEST....(See Below: NX 450h+ “F” Sport is quick with torque out of the hole & no slouch at 0-60 in 5.5 Sec...and with Electric only 47 miles with plug in to house hold 120 Volt, & 89 miles per gallon, Reg Gas in EV combined mode Sadly, the 450h+ “F” was only available in California and Florida, Smog compliant states and Lexus RELIABILITY and Re-Sale! VERY very Limited, so econ 101 makes this car go up in price are selling for $68,000 USED with 7K miles at this writing.....(if you can find one!, especially the "F" Sport 450h+). All wheel drive with adaptive suspension: Unlike 98% of vehicles where you loose your Proverbial when you drive them off the lot. So, " ~*~*~*RUN Do-Not walk to the NX 450h+ "F" Sport! ... . I own the Lexus 2022 450h+ F sport. Elegant and refined!.Best vehicle I have ever owned and I have had em all Jaf, Ferraris Rolls ect......* When you open and close the Doors they are VERY Solid and have a very solid Compression / air sound...very very nice. Even When you open and close the Doors they are VERY Solid and hace a Compression / air sound...very nice. AND MADE EXCLUSIVELY IN: *JAPAN! ...Note the Heads Up display on the windshield W/8” & 14” Info on Dash board with Crystal Clear display on both, alone makes the Lexus better........Mine is In Atomic Silver Glows in the Sun Light with Lil" grey / Gold metal flake" and same Circut Red interior.. but with Electric battery...Has 306 Horse power 0 to 60 in 5.6 sec (Via Road and track at drag strip!.) ** BIG NOTE: This model DOES- NOT have a TURBO...But rather, a Naturally aspirated / Carb...........(important because it is well known that TURBOS stress engines)...SEE: ua-cam.com/video/_xYnXRqheoI/v-deo.html ...ON Turbo issues = Very Bad!..... I use Electricity exclusively non combustion! Simply said: see euro cars shop time & inevitable “ Check Engine Light CONTINUALLY!!....this car combines the Elec Batt and engine to achieve 89 miles per Gallon ( Uses 87% octane / Regular gas according to user manual) in Hybred mode with HIGH torq, And VERY quick out of the hole....*Jus' blew the doors off a 735i beeemer...albeit for only a block ...( I am no dummy, a V8 will eventually pass many cars in the long dist. (in all fairness) ......However, who cares the thrill is initial take off and tickets are for high speed & SPEED...Kill's! My car has Red Calipers against Powder coated Gloss spoke Black mags and All red "F" Sport Badges. Has ALL Nice Carbon Fiber on ALL interior some have Piano Black i.e. Center Consul arm rests dash board & rear center heater consul between seats. ** Don't mind at all making these kind of upgrades as when you drive off the lot and your * Car, Note: As this particular vehicle goes UP IN VALUE: do you know of ANY other vehicle that will Go UP IN Value today??? MY 450h+ has gone up in value $17K at this writing!. FAR better built than Euro's (mine built in Japan) sadly, new releases are now being made in Canada! Canada is Union Shop, Like USA Union shops...no one gets fired.... for a hang over and bad work??? maybe)..... However, Lexus is Far more reliable...Far better Re-Sale that Euro beemers or mercedes (Check Engine Light Gucci headache) .!... IF YOU CAN FIND ONE ANYWHERE do grab it!......"econ 101 / Supply & Demand" .....Has (3) elec. motors gett'n 0 to 60 in 5.6 sec (road and track) HIGH torque QUICK out of Hole!......~*~*Never EVER have I used gas * but highly comforting to have the option..... gett'n 47+ miles per 120 Volt charge (real world driving my experience.)....Almost Silent operation in elec....So do your research, PLEASE......as this is Far better than any European beemer, mercedes and korean etc. All those are depreciating the moment you drive off the lot & simple oil change / maintenance are extremely costly. The aforementioned Euros …....And are UNRELIABLE and get BAD Gas Mileage to say nothing of the: GAS HOG unproven G 70, & RDX not worth mentioning. Z Best of the BEST F Sport 450h+ ! ….One more thing, Jus' a heads up!......My wife drives the RX 2020 model...Consider putting Michelin's at $1000.00 0n / @ ebay deal is out the door and balanced......... on your NX 450h+ F Sport............ replace the Idiot Run Flats that the dealer wants a $1200.00 extra for warr because like me, You WILL eventually get a flat and the Run your WALLET Flats are required to replace??? are you freak'n kidding????....Michelin's primacy same size &......Far and away EVEN a much smoother ride, Shissh, Do Not tell my wife ...even smoother than her 2020 RX 350....because My "F" Sport has the added "Adaptive Suspension" along with lower center of gravity because of Large battery centered Low...+ Soft no roll stabil ride, Much better ride than the HARD Run Flat Bridgestones that come stock. I Carry a Batt. quality inflator ( DeWalt 20V MAX Corded/Cordless Air Inflator ) and string tar impregnated rope insert-er and Do-Not wait for AAA. Consider Use in Only Plug -in and a Hybred NOT a All electric Automobile!.........Using All electric YOU MUST consider YOUR Consider all the above insight, using a Credit Card to Open doors, start the car and monitor via phone app... & and You WILL Have the Best of the Best in the Lexus 450h+ “F” Sport and reflect having a Sophisticated, Elegant & classy platform as well! This vehicle has gone up in price approx. &17K+ at this writing, since I bought it! @ that increase in value what is the downside? ...Additionally the Korean CRAP!...Genesis,...... Has and is plegged with Transmission PROBLEMS i.e. the Torque Converter ...the Clutch & Solinoid issues cause cross contamination of fluids....basically Korean Crap!// .So Guys!...let's Jus' get real leave our egos parked till the weekend, we all know these EURO headache's are just for EGO!.* (SHOW OFF)../ insecure people for the most part?.....* Crash test on BMW x3 & Lexus clearly shows LEXUS NX the best results / winner ua-cam.com/video/KkV2FtnQhZU/v-deo.html. *~*~*~Intelligent people drive a LEXUS...when we go to work / appointment and or KNOW we MUST be somewhere, i.e. an emergency I drive my Lexus….I have been fortunate to own 5 Ferrari's of various configurations to exercise my Ego as well, So lets leave our Gucci cars for the weekend Polo Pony events. One more thing, D0-Not Lease your car and get ripped off! Jus' to turn it in every 3 years @ maybe 1800.00+ per month...Oh! sure we say it is a write off!.... but you still need to Feed and Cloth the beast and NEVER EVEN OWN IT....i.e. RIPPPPP Off! by the by you still get a write off if you buy this & Jus' consider this: DEPRECIATION Of other vehicles: ua-cam.com/video/NPJnBjfh644/v-deo.html End of story! *The aforementioned is purely my opinion and meant entirely to hopefully give others some insight from a hands on user of this Fine Automobile! "
They should just get rid of the non-plug in versions. All this talk about... "But EVs get tax credits"... except they cost more to offset the credits. "But EVs cost less to fuel and maintain"... the car costs over $80k... people buying this don't care about fuel costs. What we need to care about is the environment, because it doesn't matter how rich you are... we only have one planet. And I'm just assuming we can't convince the rich bastids to ride a bike, a bus, or a train... In fact... any money they save will just go into even more lavish vacations... if we're being honest. Planet first people. And on the bright side, plugging in a PHEV in your garage sure beats the hell out of going to a gas station and handling that nasty plug that hundreds of other people have handled, that likely has a nice coating of gasoline on it... and then you get to touch the inside of your car, your face, your kids... after using it. Yuck. Be kind to the planet people, that's what matters most. BTW... "But I'll be dead by then" is a real greedy / crappy thing to say... old rich people.
I'm guessing he's not among the 100 million Americans experiencing excessive (40c +) heat at the moment, or living any of the other continents currently experiencing record temperatures and wild fires. Or by an ocean also experiencing record water temperature. Best not to mix climate change politics with car reviews these days 🙄
bad idea ! fuel cars should be prohibited asap . the car in the video could be a good idea 15 years ago . old timers PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start thinking about your grand children !!!!!
This is the ideal blend. I wish more OEMs would invest in PHEV. 50miles full EV =reduce 90% of daily mileage for commuters without being tied to charging network (home or work will do) not to mention range anxiety. Oh and you don’t need to log around a 90+Kw battery when you only need 20-30. So in resources, three PHEVs to one EV.
50 miles EV range on a PHEV means adding a 35 kWh battery. That creates a packaging hell for an ICE platform. While it is not impossible, the space will need to be taken from passengers or luggage. And why is it that EVs still make sense? Because they are 2x+ more efficient than PHEVs and they use the juice in their batteries better. All calculations are based on extrapolating parameters of Mazda CX-90 PHEV.
Also curb weight of such vehicle projected on CX-90 PHEV with double the battery size approached 5500 lbs, which is more than what a Tesla Model X weighs…
I'm pretty sure a big part of the reason why the sales and search numbers are skewed towards the ICE models is because of the horrific styling of the EQ's. Great video Motoman!!
My pleasure!
Here’s the real reason, Americans don’t like being told what to purchase, especially by politicians-
@@tonymccurdy7623Agreed, I'm not mad at electric vehicles, I'm mad that we're getting EV's shoved down our throats. This should be gradual and until the market is ready, just like the switch from carburetors to fuel injection which I clearly remember.
You are right those ev mercs are really ugly
@@tonymccurdy7623only in cars lol?? Everything else is controlled by them, u should leave the us then brah
My dad just bought the NX 450h+ This category of vehicle makes total sense!
Great video. The BMW X5 50e loses cargo space and the ability for a spare tire of any sort over the standard engine X5. Is the same true for the 450e vs. the regular 450? I really wish Mercedes had kept the 6 cylinder in this as the X5 50e w/the 6 cylinder is at a similar price point and I'd rather have a 6 cylinder.
I’m ready for a phev E Class, which will hopefully come to the US with next year’s refresh?
My wife’s GLE350 is an excellent vehicle. I agree with your comments about the inherent goodness baked in to this platform. I believe the Merc tech package and driver aids are the best in the business.
@MBUSA why no 6 cyliner in this model? For this price point buyers don't want 4 cylinders. The refreshed X5 xDrive 50e is a much more compelling product and comes with a gutsy inline 6. I own a 2019 E450 and glad to see the refreshed W214 is still retaining a 6 cylinder. If the option is a 4 cylinder motor or pure EV, at that point I'd just take a pure EV over a 4 banger hybrid.
I am hoping for the Plug-in Hybrid GLC to the US. Day to day life on battery. No worries about running out on long trips.
I hope Mercedes brings the GLC300 PHEV to the US! The European version is amazing and checks all the boxes for me. I'd probably need to gas it up every few months.
@@SoulPowered Maybe we’ll find out in couple months. We can already order a GLE PHEV. That one is rated at 38 miles on battery for the US. The GLC PHEV is getting about twice as much in Europe
@@CookandBakewithSamerit is rated at 48 miles, and the GLC PHEV will be coming.
We just got an EQB which is the entry level fully electric MB cars, and it's fantastic. The range is about 230 miles, which covers all regional driving without any range anxiety. It also accelerates fast enough to get the next speeding ticket asap :) Filling station is in our garage, assisted by solar panels on the roof. We don't miss spending time at gas stations and pay for very expensive fuel to burn one bit :)
Thank you for the nice video (as usual!). I own a GLE 350de since aug 2021 and have to say that I am more than happy with my merc. So far have driven over 60.000 km, 68% in pure electric mode (comuter to work 100 km a day)
I wonder why in the whole world I cannot order a new facelifted model (no GLE phevs online here in sweden neither in the usa). So, MB, what is going on with you guys? I've been waiting for 6 months since the facelift was announced and the only GLE model I can order here is an AMG! No need to mention the prices that went up almost 50% for the same model and configuration. That's crazy! Now a GLE PHEV is like a Porsche Cayenne PHEV- with the same price here in Sweden! Unbelievable
I think one of the reasons ist the semiconductor shortage, hybrids need a lot more than the ice models. So in the meanwhile they primarily sell the ice versions outside of Germany. Hybrid Mercedes are about 6-18 months wait time currently in Germany.
This range of 50 miles is perfect don’t need anymore, just lower this cost to $60k into the market please
You say bmw does 2.0 liter engines in their midsize cars and crossovers better, but they don’t cheap out with a 2.0 in any of their midsize and above SUVs, they’re all standard with a 3.0 liter I-6 which to me is the minimum for a “luxury” suv. I think it’s what truly separates it from this. The x5 50e gets 50+ miles of real world electric range, paired with a 3.0L engine that goes 0-60 in high 3s / low 4s. It somehow ALSO gets the same, if not better, fuel economy when operating in hybrid mode. I think it’s truly just the superior drivetrain and overall package.
I have had a Mercedes GLCe from 2020. At its peak in the summer, it gives 35 Km of electric range (drops to 26 Km in winter in Canada). I work 10 Km from home, so my electricity takes me to and from work daily without any gas consumption. My trip computer on the car says that, for the 3+ years that I've had this car, I've driven 35000 Km total, but 29000 of the total is electric. So the engine has only worked for 6000 Km! The car has done a couple of road trips, and I never worried about range, as I could easily fill up at any gas station on the route. Now my other car is a Tesla Y, which I've had for just over a year. Lots of good things in the Tesla for the user, and I've never had any range anxiety issues for my day to day use. However, I decided to take the Tesla on the last road trip to Seattle, which is 230 Km away from home. I just made it there on the full charge, but I had to keep thinking about where the next charge was going to come from the entire trip. Yes, there are fast chargers in many places, but they are usually out of my planned route. And on this trip, it was cold and rainy/windy, so the thought of finding a supercharger and then getting out of the car to plug it in, and then sit there for the charging time, wasn't a comforting thought. My family consists of just my wife and myself now, so we don't need the GLE (I've owned 4 in the past). If Mercedes would make a new version of the GLCe but with the 100 Km range, it would be my ideal car for day to day use and for road trips! Why are we only doing it in the larger vehicles?
Crazy how car weight has gone down so much in the last 20 years. I've got an absolutely mint 2003 Buick Park Ave Ultra with every option and 58,000 miles on it today. It weighs over 5200lbs!
My new GLE 450e has a serious safety issue. Picked up my new 2024 GLE 450e with 8 miles on it on 6/26/24. Inspection at pickup was unremarkable. WIthin two hours, with 16 miles on it, the hood latch alarm activated. Visual inspection showed right side of hood was raised about 1/4 inch above fender. Drove directly to dealer, and service tech opened and closed hood, commenting on the light lever feel. Drove in parking lot with tech and the hood unlatched on its own. I now have a loaner, and the future of this car is yet to be determined. How did this car pass inspections at the factory and at the dealer?
Excellent video! I don't know when you filmed this, but a lot of the options and pricing has been released. In fact, I think the EPA rated it (I can't find any info though) because it looks like these have been released for sale and are in transit to dealers. Anyway, the base price is $69,500, exact same as the 6 cylinder mild hybrid GLE450.
This was filmed in early June.
My wife and I just drove one. Loved it. We ordered a new one since she didn't like the color or interior. We went to look at the EQS, but cannot get over the range anxiety of 300 mile range. Notice to manufactures: some people like to have fun like: driving to beach, driving to mountains, going to Vegas, etc.
BTW, $82K to get it...
Until a “LUXURY” EV car provides 400 miles in range… I will stay with a plugin hybrid
It looks like a nice car but I would go EQE first for sure. I will let others deal with gas stations and oil changes. A PHEV makes sense for some no doubt but I would say an EV will fit for most if not now at least in 5 years.
My sister in law was on her way to my house, and she was coming from Boston to NY but when she was 20 mins she had to go get the car charged and a 20 min wait turned into 2 hrs+ because they had to find a charging station and then charge their ev lol.... I'll take a plug in hybrid first
IMHO, there is only one EV I would buy on the market: the Lucid. I will never buy a vehicle with less than 500 mile range. Never. A lot of people commute, but there are a lot of us that drive...
That is why I just ordered my wife a GLE... Electric for her commute, gas for going to the beach.
This is something I’d buy over a pure EV. My only wish would be slightly better EV only range which would require a larger battery and add more weight to the vehicle unfortunately, but also a way for the gas engine to recharge the battery internally while driving in gas only mode. Great review!
Bad idea for the vehicle. It adds weight, and it increases the range. MB (no car manufacturer) wants more range than this. At 50 miles, you will occasionally be required to run the gas motor. At 100 miles, it maybe 6 months. Bad for the gas, bad for the motor, bad for the fuel pump. You need the ICE engine to run occasionally for this to work
Before only the BMW i3 hat a range more then 100 km and then had range extender, but BMW i3 is now only all electric. This is perfect choice with 100km. Great Mercedes.
I see seat control on the door for 2nd row seats, which package/option gets them? I have been told by the dealer its not an option for 450e due to battery setup at the trunk.
I wish manufacturers had to report depleted battery MPG. I had a Wrangler 4XE for a little while and when the battery was depleted for electric only use, the MPG were absolutely horrible (I'm talking 14 MPG).
But that's exactly WHY they don't have to report it - it's part of the government's dishonesty behind the EV push. These PHEVs get shitty mileage, and most have smaller engines than their ICE counterparts, so they are underpowered to boot - once the battery is depleted. Still makes sense for some people, just like EV's do for a different driver - it just depends on how you use the vehicle. But they are not nearly as practical for as large of a group of people, or as efficient, as the government wants us to believe.
23.3 kWh, that's nice. Need to work on EV efficiency still, I guess? That body height and style may never be truly eco.
The cells used for such a larger PHEV ought to be lower cost than for a 5 kWh or 1 kWh pack expected to provide the same power. If we say this is 1/4 of a Plaid pack, it would be good for peaks of 250 hp and on longer pulls, fade to 200 hp and multi-minute track use around 125 hp. Really FINE, right? And Plaid cells can't be very expensive, maybe $120-150/kWh?
Charging at 60 kW also checks out as a 1/4 Plaid equivalent, that one (perhaps unambitiously) tops at 250 kW, while the output is rated at 750 kW.
Is 7 seaters option available on 450e?
I am impressed with the gas milage on my 2020 GLE450.. I get maybe even better gas mileage than my 2017 Porsche 718S which is a turbo 4 banger and very light.
LOL, you inspired me to drive down to my local Mercedes dealership to check out this new car (EU version with a diesel). I currently drive a Cayenne and I’m not 100% crazy about it. Weird how things seem cheap when comparing to Porsche 😂😂😂
Funny, just got out of a Cayenne today - you'll see that episode on Saturday - and while they are different, I would not say one is better than the other with the exception of driving dynamics.
I am curious about reliability, servicing and upkeep cost given the additional complexity.
Not a good comparison, but my 2019 Ford Fusion PHEV has 85K miles on it and runs like a clock.
Ty for making info graphic at 4 min mark.
Maybe the legacy auto makers are finally realising that they could hold their market share if they bring practical PHEVs to market with a range of at least 50 miles in real world and DC charging capability.
Range Rover have also twigged this.
If this had the 3rd row version will definetly get more market
I for one would be interested to see someone do a proper proof of concept with a Koenigsegg Direct Drive style drivetrain. No gearbox at all, just a torque converter that is manually opened/closed with a paddle behind the wheel. Clever hybrid integration for low speed pull and reverse gear. Koenigsegg triumped Direct Drive with the record holding Regera car, but abandoned it for the Gemera 4-seater that is getting AWD. For most driving, DD might still suffice, and crucially: be fun to drive. Halving the Koenigsegg's top speed helps A LOT for every day use. A torquey diesel motor (that stll revs decently high) could be great. Always in the 125 mph/200 kph gear, torque converter can double the revs = half the gearing effectively. So drive away in the 62 mph gear, and then always the hybrid would be there to help, as it cleverly recharges from fuel every chance it gets, no not get stuck in an one-way uphill alley with empty battery, that would suck.
PHEVs make so much sense, but at these prices, it’s like a celebrity pretending to care about the environment, but flying the private jet from LA to Vegas. Nonsensical and borderline hypocritical, specially because you’re paying a premium for the PHEV model over the ICE model, so you’d have to drive the car for 300,000 miles to see the savings in gas, but realistically speaking, a Mercedes is not reliable enough once they hit 50,000 miles without MAJOR repair costs, so the whole thing just makes no sense at all!
Im waiting for the new GLC phev! It should be around 60 miles of electric only range.
Great video Motoman!!
I see seat control on the door for 2nd row seats, which package/option gets them? I have been told by the dealer its not an option for 450e due to battery setup at the trunk.
Fake news. It is a stand alone option.
Is it in USA? If possible do you have the 2nd row power control option code number or package name? I will purchase the vehicle asap based on your review
What’s the range on this model ? 450 miles ish ?
Now what can be done to make these PHEVs less heavy? Range cells from powerful EVs that offer good cycle count, that would help. Smaller engine, we know how to get plenty from small engines now, right? And tie the hybrid side into the ICE side in a clever way that allows super efficient EV driving, smooth and efficient "self charging" when getting low but wanting some reserve to arrive at the cul the sac or UN headquarters in style.
A single motor on the rear diff, no gear tunnel to send ICE power there. Would that be acceptable?
On the ICE, a motor/generator that can be fully detached through a clutch. On real long distance cruises 55-80 mph, the ICE does the job, in final drive, in perfect rpm range, agree? Then we only need to figure wheth we actually need for a gearbox to be there. Koenigsegg shows "not really". PHEVs need much lower top speed gearing, which actually helps the direct drive (with torque converter) configuration: ICE can do its thing with good torque from a lower speed. In the Koenigsegg Regera it's 30 mph, in a PHEV road car that could be 15-20 mph, with a diesel maybe 10-15 mph, using the rev doubling torque converter. Below that, we have a sizable drive battery and instant torque motor which helps all the way to top speed, or a bit less even if better for overall efficiency to have it rev a bit, but be detached over 100 mph.
A quantum leap in battery architecture.
Engine plus battery weight. No.
Beautiful car, what color is that?
Love my 350de. 100km electric range.
Not for $100k. Car prices are out of control and not so sure why were are accepting it.
Extra 200 lbs... with a 23.3 kWh battery? lol... good luck with that one. They save a bit of weight with the smaller engine, but then add in that battery (which is larger than most PHEVs) and likely 2 electric motors, inverters, charging equipment, and wiring, and you're easily looking at an additional 500-700 lbs.
I have to try to afford one of those SUVs bro.
In europe this would be the GLE 350de/e so just look at the pre facelift version its the same spec no changes
The only reason why this PHEV exist bc buyers still want to enjoy the best of both worlds! Fill it up less frequent and less range anxiety. Also the look of GLE is much better than the EQS or EQE SUV looks cheap and compact like a sedan!
I like the leather structures on the dash and seats. A little more rugged and a good choice of colors. I can't get used to my new profile "name" forced by youtube, what about you all?
With long range cars geting more powerful, their CHEAP cells can be used for PHEV us, I guess?
Take 1/5th (exactly one module) of a Plaid battery, that's 20 kWh. Good for 200h hp the way the Plaid is good for 1000 hp. Peaky, but it'll work for every day driving. 200 hp boost is NICE, sight? A 200 hp hybrid motor is nothing strange. Could be place behind a gearbox to torque fill and not load the gearbox. A cute little 4-cyl more than suffices. Let alone Koenigseggs super tiny featherweight 3-cyl with 600 hp. With a light ICE and gearbox, battery weight is less of a problem. And with ground up design, if it ever happens for PHEVs from Europe, is easily tucked away. The 120 kWh of sedans is tucked away as well, right? And they're getting 150 kWh soon.
plug hybrid vehicles are good stuff just like this gle 450e phev from mercedes benz.
This looks like a shoe - design wise a blue basket ball shoe, but its an interesting bridge car - if you don't have reliable charging infrastructure around, if you have a combination of long distance driving and town, great is also the CCS fast charger not many cars offer this. Also the pricing is competitive - which luxury EV SUV can you get? I don't see any. Only question for me is - how is the value after 3 years? Nobody knows.... great review!
Fair question.
Perfect car to lease!
I just leased one, mbusa is setting the 3 year residual at 52% for 7500m/year and 59% on a 2 year lease, this also qualifies or is getting the $7500 federal rebate.
Have you drive the X5 50e or whatever it's called? Similar range, a lot more power.
I am not a fan of SUVs. Since VW ruined it for everyone here in North America, I miss European diesels. This model in Europe is available with a diesel and an electric motor; GLE 350de 4MATIC. Absolutely wonderful vehicle to drive considering it’s fuel efficiency and luxury interior. The only vehicle I love more is the upcoming new E Class with a diesel electric setup; E 300de 4MATIC. We should be getting these diesels here in North America with all long distance driving we do in comparison to the Europeans; It makes more sense to have these diesel electric vehicles here in North America than in Europe but of course sensibility has disappeared in todays world…
For the price it seems like the BMW X5e is a much better choice
Rocking the Omega Seamaster I see.
Keen eye!
One could say Mercedes dipped it's toes into the race to the bottom with quality in the late 90s, then went full belly flop with the turd $24,995 C230 Coupe.
I would never buy any hybrid but a 4 cylinder hybrid is just meh in a MB. The new 3:53 C63s is a complete fail IMHO
I’d really like to test one of these and the BMW counterpart. And see what I’d like better.
The GLE drives so smooth and nicer interior.
BMW X5 50e any day.
It is not long range. The electric battery range should be 100 miles at a minimum to be useful. Many of the current PHEVs are in name only.
What is the name of that color?
NEW EQs suck, got the GLE hybrid after a GLC ... best decision ever
how is the ev range in 2024 ?
.... oh so true, but that is until you drive the EQE or larger, the EQS SUV variants. Get the + versions: longer range. It really comes down to ethics! How can you explain to the next generation that, for the same budget (about), you could have not chosen to add another fossil fuel burner into the bunch? Aren't there too many of these to begin with? Let's get over it, with this type of budget there are numerous EV options. Otherwise beautiful car and great test, thanks!
That’s really nice
I purchased, new, a GLE 550e plug-in hybrid. The Mercedes has been the worst vehicle ownership experience of my life. The vehicle has had transmission problems since it was new, it developed a leak in the rear differential a few months in, the air suspension failed at 40,000 km, there is a recall notice for the fuel pump control unit and I just received a letter indicating that the air conditioning compressor might fail prematurely. Worse than the technical problems, is the dismissive attitude of Mercedes customer service that says the transmission jolts and lurches that I continue to experience are normal for a $100,000 luxury vehicle. Not to mention that the electric range is much less than what was advertised when I ordered it.
Look at sales of EVs vs PHEVs. It may be just that EQs are not very good.
Your shirt is also stunning =) nice review
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GLS always rides better than GLE. I did not need 3rd row but got the GLS anyway.
Isn’t the GLE easier to maneuver?
I love it!
Nice, but that 4 cyl kicking in when you're towing is gonna ruin it. None of these hybrid electrics can properly tow. If you have a boat, stay far away ftom these if you want any sort of longevity that traditional Mercedes are known for....
Im really curious why you test acceleration on a down hill. Something that always bothered me
The stretch of road I launch from is not downhill.
@@MotoManTV good to know! Must be the camera angle or something. Thanks
What is wrong with these car brands and their naming schemes that make absolutely no sense whatsoever?
Ditto.
If you don't know the weight, why not take it to a truck scale and get the numbers?
I wish it was 7 seater! Volvo XC90 is only PHEV is only family size PHEV and it's expensive!
This costs the same about.
And in the US you don’t get the diesel PHEV.
BMW 3 litr motor ~250 hp ,MB 2 litr motor ~250 hp .What will die first ?
Vehicles are getting more expensive as well as interest rates. Goodluck to anyone trying to buy a vehicle without enough cash in the bank.
So I get an electric car and get to change oil!! 🎉
Nice
I would have bought this over the X50e but it had 3 major flaws.
1) engine is a 4 cylinder lol 2) No hands free highway driving like on the BMW. 3) reliability is much worse than BMW.
3 strikes you are out…Sad!
most people who buy phev will not put a charger at their house. Further putting a strain on the limited charging infrastructure. Always looking for a loophole mentality, the choices they pick do not help solve any problems but only present an image of they trying to solve a problem.
hard to watch, sound quality is too low.
In a mocking tone, you say “you are going electric, and you are going to like it.” The thing is you more than likely will like it. For everyday driving, It is an objectively better experience, and, MUCH easier to maintain than an ICE vehicle. Now before you get your panties in a bunch, I am referring to the average driver who has home access to a plug, and not those who understand the romantic aspect of our older technology.
Yes, it was a mocking tone, however not from a driving perspective. Yes, they are wonderful to daily. Rather, the mocking tone is due to the logic governments around the world have used to push aggressive EV mandates. Timing is woefully unrealistic.
Thank you motoman for your hard work,I always appreciate your time🙏, but with "cars" like this I'm missing your excitement and I know very well WHY there's 000 happiness.
It is a time to pour a glass of cleanest wine as possible.
Car industry,as almost all other industries all over the world,is going to one direction only and it's happening very fast.
Putting the seat belts on doesn't helps this time.
If someone sees the light in the end of this nonsense,he must be a very confused person.
WHATEVER anyone says!
I get it. They are not exciting. That is until you daily one. That is where a vehicle like this shines. To be able to use it in EV on the regular around town and then have unlimited long distance range is the 'excitement'. We'll see more of these shortly. Probably with range in excess of 50 miles.
Four-pot? Goodbye...
With the Lexus 450h + and Rav4 Prime you have about 220 hp with the two electric motors. I wonder why luxury car makers are not also putting as much EV hp in their PHEV’s as Toyota does. I’m sure the Lexus isn’t in the same league as this Mercedes, but it’s efficient in EV and HV mode so I think it accomplishes the mission of the hybrid better than the competition. Also, if you stomp on the accelerator the engine will not come on which I like.
Answer: Toyota is farther ahead in R&D when it comes to HEV.
.......................... " In your dreams!!! " I’m sure the Lexus isn’t in the same league as this Mercedes,"...... my Lexus 450h+ F Sport is so much nicer All Carbon Fiber rear wings....All Carbon Fiber interior I gained 17k driving it off the lot and the Depreciation is ZERO vs the 40K the Dog' plastic front air scoop front fascia and Fake rear exhaust Dog cedes Euro Crap... had many cedes...... all head aches and LOST BIG $ on via RE-Sale!!
click-bait title... The 2024 Cayenne E-Hybrid gets 45 miles of real-world all-electric city range (< 45 mph), and the RAV4 Prime gets 50 miles of real-world all-electric city range. I started watching this video, thinking that we're talking 75-100 miles of all-electric range for this Merc... sigh...
It's a FREAK'n "check your engine light" Nightmare Porsche I had a Baddddddddddddddd! Cayenne Euro trash 2021 model!
I agree (14:00) that PHEVs with longer EV range is the proper direction for automakers to go, enroute to wider BEV acceptance in a decade or two…. I’d love to see good PHEVs with 100 miles of EV range!
Electrification is part solution to a very serious problem.
I'm not sure when it became socially acceptable to be a middle aged man who behaves like a crybaby who lost his toys.
But it definitely goes a long way to explaining the worst generation in US history. The first not to improve what they were given for the next generation.
Until the whole inlet kerfuffle is ironed out and one plug rules the day, I’m not encouraging anyone to buy anything that needs a plug until North America finishes its whimsical transition from the standard you used in this episode to Elon’s self declared standard which is really just a Tesla plug that currently only Tesla’s can use which is not a standard at all but is one EV Manufacturer’s design. By the way in 16 minutes I charged up 68% which is 53kW for an additional 154 miles of range at an EA Station on a 77.4kWh 2023 IONIQ 5 using that CCS Standard Plug. If I used a Tesla Magic Doc it would have taken an hour and 16 minutes. See the improvement? Neither do I‼️ 14:42
Yes, but bare in mind:
1) This vehicle electrical performance stops at 50 miles per hour
2) This vehicle performance is not good for winter environments ( need to heat up the battery and performance below normal hwy speeds only with less mileage range)
3) This vehicle will be pain to fix down the road ( It is complex with cooling technology, it is complex in terms of endurance with electric components, etc..)
4) This vehicle like others is not like Lexus RX hybrid performance
Etc…
He suggests today’s feel of vehicle not overall endurance and performance in different environments…
EV range works up to 70 MPH.
................................... Boooooooooooo!.. the Lexus elec only stops at 85 MPH and uses REGULAR GAS on the ICE...this requires Premium and the Lexus gets 89 miles per gallon in PHEV mode with a dedicated switch to charge 100% of time if desired!....Get a LEXUS!
@@donaldbanner2185ok so ? It’s a Lexus at the end of the day 😂🤧
............... A much better option is the 450h+ "F" Sport bu Lexus...it is faster @ 5.5 sec 0 to 60 (Via road and track) however the Lexus has a " Adaptive Suspension " Stiffens in the curves and Softens on the highway...and unlike the Mercedes No Freak'n air bag that are notorious for Reliability issues....You will make 17Kjust driving the 450h+ "F " Sport off the lot!
Thoughts on the Lexus * 450h+ “F” Sport NX:
.......Although the 450h+ "F" Sport is VERY quick (big elec batt assist out of hole elec chirps all wheels) * Note: there is No dog Turbo so NEVER a time lag to spool up.....This vehicle is Naturally Aspirated!......it was Not the added speed I was after but rather, the OPTIONS: i.e. to use NO Freak'n Gas.... at all..... however, if need be, use regular & in Hybred mode you get .......*Yep! * 89 miles of eMPG that is huge!!!!....My thought is NOT to use the polluting oil consuming, maintenance monster ICE. ( I do however fire it once every two months for about 1 mile Jus' to keep the Fluids circulating ad gaskets moist. Change the OIL every year even though there is VERY little use as Oil deteriorates.....At this RATE the ICE will be virtually Brand new in years to come....GREAT TO HAVE A BACKUP!.....This is why I mentioned the 450h+ F Sport is the finest built vehicle! *~*~*~ RUN.........D0-Not walk to the NX 450h+ "F" Sport.....My wife has the new RX 350 and much firmer ride requires Freak'n gas and simply pushing around more mass for no reason...the 450h+ "F" sport has increased in re-Sale Value by 13K!!! / econ 101. “NX” 450h+ “F” Sport is the VERY BEST....(See Below: NX 450h+ “F” Sport is quick with torque out of the hole & no slouch at 0-60 in 5.5 Sec...and with Electric only 47 miles with plug in to house hold 120 Volt, & 89 miles per gallon, Reg Gas in EV combined mode Sadly, the 450h+ “F” was only available in California and Florida, Smog compliant states and Lexus RELIABILITY and Re-Sale! VERY very Limited, so econ 101 makes this car go up in price are selling for $68,000 USED with 7K miles at this writing.....(if you can find one!, especially the "F" Sport 450h+). All wheel drive with adaptive suspension: Unlike 98% of vehicles where you loose your Proverbial when you drive them off the lot. So, " ~*~*~*RUN Do-Not walk to the NX 450h+ "F" Sport! ... . I own the Lexus 2022 450h+ F sport. Elegant and refined!.Best vehicle I have ever owned and I have had em all Jaf, Ferraris Rolls ect......* When you open and close the Doors they are VERY Solid and have a very solid Compression / air sound...very very nice. Even When you open and close the Doors they are VERY Solid and hace a Compression / air sound...very nice. AND MADE EXCLUSIVELY IN: *JAPAN! ...Note the Heads Up display on the windshield W/8” & 14” Info on Dash board with Crystal Clear display on both, alone makes the Lexus better........Mine is In Atomic Silver Glows in the Sun Light with Lil" grey / Gold metal flake" and same Circut Red interior.. but with Electric battery...Has 306 Horse power 0 to 60 in 5.6 sec (Via Road and track at drag strip!.) ** BIG NOTE: This model DOES- NOT have a TURBO...But rather, a Naturally aspirated / Carb...........(important because it is well known that TURBOS stress engines)...SEE: ua-cam.com/video/_xYnXRqheoI/v-deo.html ...ON Turbo issues = Very Bad!..... I use Electricity exclusively non combustion! Simply said: see euro cars shop time & inevitable “ Check Engine Light CONTINUALLY!!....this car combines the Elec Batt and engine to achieve 89 miles per Gallon ( Uses 87% octane / Regular gas according to user manual) in Hybred mode with HIGH torq, And VERY quick out of the hole....*Jus' blew the doors off a 735i beeemer...albeit for only a block ...( I am no dummy, a V8 will eventually pass many cars in the long dist. (in all fairness) ......However, who cares the thrill is initial take off and tickets are for high speed & SPEED...Kill's! My car has Red Calipers against Powder coated Gloss spoke Black mags and All red "F" Sport Badges. Has ALL Nice Carbon Fiber on ALL interior some have Piano Black i.e. Center Consul arm rests dash board & rear center heater consul between seats. ** Don't mind at all making these kind of upgrades as when you drive off the lot and your * Car, Note: As this particular vehicle goes UP IN VALUE: do you know of ANY other vehicle that will Go UP IN Value today??? MY 450h+ has gone up in value $17K at this writing!. FAR better built than Euro's (mine built in Japan) sadly, new releases are now being made in Canada! Canada is Union Shop, Like USA Union shops...no one gets fired.... for a hang over and bad work??? maybe)..... However, Lexus is Far more reliable...Far better Re-Sale that Euro beemers or mercedes (Check Engine Light Gucci headache) .!... IF YOU CAN FIND ONE ANYWHERE do grab it!......"econ 101 / Supply & Demand" .....Has (3) elec. motors gett'n 0 to 60 in 5.6 sec (road and track) HIGH torque QUICK out of Hole!......~*~*Never EVER have I used gas * but highly comforting to have the option..... gett'n 47+ miles per 120 Volt charge (real world driving my experience.)....Almost Silent operation in elec....So do your research, PLEASE......as this is Far better than any European beemer, mercedes and korean etc. All those are depreciating the moment you drive off the lot & simple oil change / maintenance are extremely costly. The aforementioned Euros …....And are UNRELIABLE and get BAD Gas Mileage to say nothing of the: GAS HOG unproven G 70, & RDX not worth mentioning. Z Best of the BEST F Sport 450h+ ! ….One more thing, Jus' a heads up!......My wife drives the RX 2020 model...Consider putting Michelin's at $1000.00 0n / @ ebay deal is out the door and balanced......... on your NX 450h+ F Sport............ replace the Idiot Run Flats that the dealer wants a $1200.00 extra for warr because like me, You WILL eventually get a flat and the Run your WALLET Flats are required to replace??? are you freak'n kidding????....Michelin's primacy same size &......Far and away EVEN a much smoother ride, Shissh, Do Not tell my wife ...even smoother than her 2020 RX 350....because My "F" Sport has the added "Adaptive Suspension" along with lower center of gravity because of Large battery centered Low...+ Soft no roll stabil ride, Much better ride than the HARD Run Flat Bridgestones that come stock. I Carry a Batt. quality inflator ( DeWalt 20V MAX Corded/Cordless Air Inflator ) and string tar impregnated rope insert-er and Do-Not wait for AAA. Consider Use in Only Plug -in and a Hybred NOT a All electric Automobile!.........Using All electric YOU MUST consider YOUR Consider all the above insight, using a Credit Card to Open doors, start the car and monitor via phone app... & and You WILL Have the Best of the Best in the Lexus 450h+ “F” Sport and reflect having a Sophisticated, Elegant & classy platform as well! This vehicle has gone up in price approx. &17K+ at this writing, since I bought it! @ that increase in value what is the downside? ...Additionally the Korean CRAP!...Genesis,...... Has and is plegged with Transmission PROBLEMS i.e. the Torque Converter ...the Clutch & Solinoid issues cause cross contamination of fluids....basically Korean Crap!// .So Guys!...let's Jus' get real leave our egos parked till the weekend, we all know these EURO headache's are just for EGO!.* (SHOW OFF)../ insecure people for the most part?.....* Crash test on BMW x3 & Lexus clearly shows LEXUS NX the best results / winner ua-cam.com/video/KkV2FtnQhZU/v-deo.html. *~*~*~Intelligent people drive a LEXUS...when we go to work / appointment and or KNOW we MUST be somewhere, i.e. an emergency I drive my Lexus….I have been fortunate to own 5 Ferrari's of various configurations to exercise my Ego as well, So lets leave our Gucci cars for the weekend Polo Pony events. One more thing, D0-Not Lease your car and get ripped off! Jus' to turn it in every 3 years @ maybe 1800.00+ per month...Oh! sure we say it is a write off!.... but you still need to Feed and Cloth the beast and NEVER EVEN OWN IT....i.e. RIPPPPP Off! by the by you still get a write off if you buy this & Jus' consider this: DEPRECIATION Of other vehicles: ua-cam.com/video/NPJnBjfh644/v-deo.html End of story! *The aforementioned is purely my opinion and meant entirely to hopefully give others some insight from a hands on user of this Fine Automobile! "
MB EVs looks so bad. That is why many will go for plugin ICE cars still.
Stasi car.
30 miles 40 miles 60 miles of charge what does it all mean. Just to comply ? What is really the use of buying a Phev? Full electric or bust
They should just get rid of the non-plug in versions. All this talk about... "But EVs get tax credits"... except they cost more to offset the credits. "But EVs cost less to fuel and maintain"... the car costs over $80k... people buying this don't care about fuel costs. What we need to care about is the environment, because it doesn't matter how rich you are... we only have one planet. And I'm just assuming we can't convince the rich bastids to ride a bike, a bus, or a train... In fact... any money they save will just go into even more lavish vacations... if we're being honest. Planet first people. And on the bright side, plugging in a PHEV in your garage sure beats the hell out of going to a gas station and handling that nasty plug that hundreds of other people have handled, that likely has a nice coating of gasoline on it... and then you get to touch the inside of your car, your face, your kids... after using it. Yuck. Be kind to the planet people, that's what matters most. BTW... "But I'll be dead by then" is a real greedy / crappy thing to say... old rich people.
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I'm guessing he's not among the 100 million Americans experiencing excessive (40c +) heat at the moment, or living any of the other continents currently experiencing record temperatures and wild fires. Or by an ocean also experiencing record water temperature. Best not to mix climate change politics with car reviews these days 🙄
Climate change is a hoax
nobody will buy this crap, same happened with the GLC 350e .... it sits at %40 below MSRP price and it's just 3 years old
bad idea ! fuel cars should be prohibited asap . the car in the video could be a good idea 15 years ago . old timers PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start thinking about your grand children !!!!!
The wood trim on the dashboard. 🪵👌