The Murder that Puzzled a Nation... | The Case of Kitty Kat West

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  • Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
  • When mother and wife Kathleen West was found dead outside her home in January 2018, many were puzzled about who was to blame. Following some very circumstantial evidence, her husband was arrested. But was he guilty? Not even her own parents seemed to think so.
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    00:00 Intro
    01:40 Calera
    03:29 Kathleen and Jeff West
    08:05 The life of Kitty Kat West
    11:14 Saturday 13th January 2018
    13:35 EVIDENCE
    19:52 Arrested, legal proceedings
    24:49 Side notes
    25:33 Remembering Kathleen West
    26:33 Outro
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  • @CoffeehouseCrime
    @CoffeehouseCrime  Рік тому +717

    Hey folks! Apologies if the narration audio sounds a bit different in this video, I had some issues with background noise that needed to be adjusted. So... who do you think Murdered Kitty Kat West? Let me know below...

    • @Lizardlane-degradation
      @Lizardlane-degradation Рік тому +24

      Her husband…for sure

    • @kjarcher15
      @kjarcher15 Рік тому +15

      Hi Adrian could you please cover the case of Junko Furuta?

    • @wendymarie7151
      @wendymarie7151 Рік тому +26

      Yippee! Another awesome coffeehouse crime told by wonderful Adrian 😊☕
      The stories you tell us are incredible. Some are downright skin crawling. The way you describe these crimes and murders etc,.. is insanely remarkable. I enjoy your channel very much!! Thank you Adrian, for creating a exquisite channel. Cheers 👏👏👏

    • @clivebaxter6354
      @clivebaxter6354 Рік тому +10

      Distracting banjo, better without any music

    • @arenevskaya7934
      @arenevskaya7934 Рік тому +9

      ​@@Lizardlane-degradation same here....only fans destroyed some relationships...sadly yes

  • @StrongDreamsWaitHere
    @StrongDreamsWaitHere Рік тому +859

    People can do strange things after a severe head wound. Peter Porco walked downstairs, opened the front door, got the newspaper, and went back inside, all after suffering a massive penetrating and ultimately fatal axe wound to the skull.

    • @nadjakari1752
      @nadjakari1752 Рік тому +74

      I actually remembered the exact same case when this odd behaviour was mentioned here in this clip. I thought ”it has happened before”

    • @foxracerdrew
      @foxracerdrew Рік тому +111

      There's also the one where the guy had been shot in the face while sleeping and his girlfriend had been shot too, but they just thought he was on drugs or something, wasn't until later they realised he'd been shot, but by that time it was too late and he later suffered fatal brain injuries.

    • @geniemememe5936
      @geniemememe5936 Рік тому +93

      I saw that interrogation. He kept saying "i just want to go to sleep man". They were screaming at him, and he was literally dying before our eyes. "I don't know man; I am just so sleepy, can I please go to sleep."

    • @PhantomStella
      @PhantomStella Рік тому +23

      That is one of the most memorable and horrific cases I have ever heard of tbh. The crime scene photos are haunting.

    • @WillPage
      @WillPage Рік тому +31

      @@foxracerdrew Those cops dropped the ball so badly. Unbelievable.

  • @jocortez3816
    @jocortez3816 Рік тому +2309

    Watching this made me think about how tragic it would be if I died by accident and my husband got blamed for it just because there was no one else to blame.

    • @confusedbadger6275
      @confusedbadger6275 Рік тому +88

      Must be that male privilege I jeep being told we have

    • @jocortez3816
      @jocortez3816 Рік тому +235

      @@confusedbadger6275 well the spouse is always the #1 suspect. Any murder documentary will tell you that ;) A cop would be an idiot not to consider it. But then trying to prove your innocence when there's no proof you didn't do something seems impossible. I can't even imagine.

    • @Thetruththatisee
      @Thetruththatisee Рік тому

      ​@funhistani2705 I think so called only fans models are just sex worker. Posing naked or whatever for money!

    • @TheExigency
      @TheExigency Рік тому +135

      @@confusedbadger6275 This could happen and has happened to any gendered spouse. And as a man, we do have male privilege. Try actually asking a woman about it.

    • @botanicalitus4194
      @botanicalitus4194 Рік тому

      @@confusedbadger6275You know that there is no proof he is innocent right? He may have actually done it, the OP is just considering the scenario that he didnt and was wrongly blamed for it. That might not be the scenario that actually took place.
      Anyway if we want to taIk about maIe priviIege how about how the overwheIming majority of DV and SA perps are men, and yet most of them never even face a singIe day in jaiI?

  • @archers.arrows
    @archers.arrows Рік тому +282

    I'm an alcoholic. Though I've been sober for a little over two years, I absolutely fell/hit my head more times than I can count while drunk. Waking up with mystery blood from something I couldn't remember happening was fairly regular. I don't know what happened in this case, but I can see myself falling while drunk, knocking myself out, and just staying where I fell, because it happened so many times.

    • @robd1329
      @robd1329 Рік тому +7

      I couldnt even decide on this one

    • @unorubbertoe
      @unorubbertoe Рік тому +17

      Glad you're sober. Your head thanks you

    • @starkeymorgan7481
      @starkeymorgan7481 Рік тому +5

      Same. It was a nightmare.

    • @alexandergreenfield91
      @alexandergreenfield91 Рік тому +10

      All the best with your recovery, stay strong 💪🏼

    • @ActiveAussie2024
      @ActiveAussie2024 Рік тому +5

      I did that once when I had been binge drinking. Had a drinking problem up till about 6 years ago. I had caught a taxi home, but didn't have enough cash on me. I went up to my apartment to get the extra money. I passed out and hit my head on the tiles in the bathroom. I woke up later and went outside to pay the rest of the fare. I thought only 10 minutes had passed, but it was an hour and a half later. Taxi long gone.

  • @baybreeze44
    @baybreeze44 Рік тому +111

    So happy you ACCURATELY explained what bipolar really is. Movies and media have made the mass believe its severe mood swings multiple times a day. I'm diagnosed bipolar type 2, which means longer depressive episodes followed with short spurts of manic episodes. For example, I had a depressive episode last 6.5 months, with a 3 day manic episode. I do genuinely feel represented with your explanation. I deeply and dearly thank you. ❤❤❤

    • @doms_fantastic3007
      @doms_fantastic3007 6 місяців тому +3

      I didn’t know bipolar could be like this.. hearing this I wonder if I might be bipolar

    • @andreambrownridge7642
      @andreambrownridge7642 5 місяців тому +4

      Absolutely accurate 💜💜💜 bipolar disorder type 2 can easily be mistaken for depression if the treating clinician is not thorough and detailed in history taking with collateral contacts being most helpful.

    • @milivapakovc4776
      @milivapakovc4776 7 днів тому

      Iss ok my man

  • @staffiemama
    @staffiemama Рік тому +608

    I watch you very often, I'm a older lady I must say you are so polite and mention the victims in a way like no other person. I think you are a very wise young man. 👵

    • @msriver11
      @msriver11 Рік тому +28

      I've been following a lot of crime documentaries for years and Adrian is the only one that does just that. He focus on the victims like how their relatives wanted to remember them.

    • @cathimummery6873
      @cathimummery6873 Рік тому +9

      I agree

    • @cme7527
      @cme7527 Рік тому +22

      You can tell he's a kind soul ❤

    • @Livingmydreammm
      @Livingmydreammm Рік тому +7

      Agree❤️

    • @CoffeehouseCrime
      @CoffeehouseCrime  Рік тому +94

      Thank you so much! Trying my best, and I appreciate compliments like this the most 🙏

  • @mariabromwich8897
    @mariabromwich8897 Рік тому +608

    I’m a recovered alcoholic and I can’t count the number of times I fell over. I was just lucky to never be seriously injured. I wonder if she took the bottle with her when she went to get her phone, dropped the bottle, then fell and hit her head on it. In the state she was in, she possibly didn’t realise how injured she was, managed to get to her feet again, picking up the phone and bottle before stumbling to the place she eventually collapsed and died. It just feels more on the side of accidental death than murder to me. 🤷‍♀️

    • @phazecat446
      @phazecat446 Рік тому +30

      Huge congrats on the recovery

    • @whitneylaken5659
      @whitneylaken5659 Рік тому +17

      That’s Exactly what I think he didn’t kill her he was in the house I think it was accidental. I think she fell over how is that his fault if she fell over😢

    • @oranjekola
      @oranjekola Рік тому +22

      Very true. I as well used to heavily abuse alcohol. I would stumble, fall, injure myself severely. I twisted my ankle twice, tore my acl, almost drowned myself in a tub. Then woke up the next day having little or no recollection of how or why I was injured. ( Edit: Not all in the same night)
      As far as the tracking of the husband's movement and account of what happened he too may have been to fucked up to remember what he did or went and woke up only remembering what he could. He may have gone back outside to look for her been to fucked up to actually do he job and went back inside and fell asleep.

    • @Right_Said_Brett
      @Right_Said_Brett Рік тому +24

      That's the thing about this case which causes me to have reasonable doubt; why would anyone stage the scene by placing the bottle on top of the phone? That just doesn't make sense. I think the bottle would be more likely to end up on top of the phone, were it a genuine accident. Furthermore, if the man was guilty, wouldn't he have likely taken the bottle back indoors with him and destroyed it, instead of leaving it at the scene of the crime, with his fingerprints all over it?

    • @juns597
      @juns597 Рік тому +6

      Totally. This is what happened, I think.

  • @skeletal-decay
    @skeletal-decay Рік тому +432

    It's really difficult for me to believe that he hit her with the bottle hard enough to cause that much damage without having blood and brain matter on his clothing and didn't break the bottle.

    • @CrowYaeger
      @CrowYaeger Рік тому +41

      But it's not really all that farfetched. My brother was a bouncer for 15yrs and one of the guys he worked with got hit with a bottle so hard that it fractured his skull + bottle didn't even break. It just depends on what it is. Real life ain't like Hollywood where a bottle breaks just by bashing it against a counter.

    • @Libellulaire
      @Libellulaire Рік тому +28

      Bottles don't break that easily, glass doesn't either. For bottles, certain cups and other things, glass is actually made to not be easily breakable. They even test it by dropping it to make sure it's not gonna break (for example, glasses that are given to kids in cafeterias are made to be specifically more resistant since kids can be clumsier.)
      But it is true it seems weird he'd have absolutely no trace of blood on his clothes, not even a little bit. It's also surprising to think that if he did kill her it'd be in a fit of rage/as an accident, which means probably a fight would have happened, yet nothing in the house shows that, nobody heard anything, and he didn't even end up with even a scratch or something.

    • @skeletal-decay
      @skeletal-decay Рік тому +15

      @@Libellulaire I worked in a bar for 10 years. I have broken many many alcohol bottles and glasses. Glasses break if you look at them wrong. I've set down a bottle on a counter and it broke. Is that normal? No. However. Hit someone and knock them out? Sure. The bottle may stay intact. Hit someone hard enough to spray brain matter and the bottle only chips? Sounds off.

    • @karama5562
      @karama5562 Рік тому +6

      @@CrowYaeger I can’t imagine there was 0 matter on it afterwards though.

    • @OoLiiMiiT3D
      @OoLiiMiiT3D Рік тому +10

      Head and brain injuries are more likely to happen if the bottle doesnt break. You can literally smash a bottle on someones dome, and it will not break, but the person is knocked out or even worse. And sometimes you cant even see anything, except for a bump etc.

  • @SuperstarDJSupreme
    @SuperstarDJSupreme 11 місяців тому +93

    I knew her she was a friend of mine. This is the most accurate portrayal of her personality.

  • @stoneinyan2070
    @stoneinyan2070 Рік тому +235

    I read somewhere that Kat’s mother said Kat was very clumsy when she drank, and fell often. I think there’s a lot of reasonable doubt.

    • @cdes1776
      @cdes1776 Рік тому +9

      Look at the stilettos and manolo blahniks!

    • @12MarieAnne
      @12MarieAnne Рік тому +9

      Yet he did lie about going to sleep 🤔

  • @helluvasus
    @helluvasus Рік тому +412

    I would never be able to convict someone on those charges with so much reasonable doubt.

    • @jmp2448
      @jmp2448 Рік тому +41

      I really don't think most people truly understand what "reasonable doubt" means.

    • @Scorpiolady1959
      @Scorpiolady1959 Рік тому +6

      exactly!

    • @beckyjo8745
      @beckyjo8745 Рік тому +3

      EXACTLY

    • @black_widow77
      @black_widow77 Рік тому +19

      Agreed
      He could've done it and we probably would've a murderer roaming the streets but there're so many reasonable doubt, missing evidence and others, not enough to convict someone for murder(manslaughter).
      I wouldn't have convicted him either

    • @heyspookyboogie644
      @heyspookyboogie644 Рік тому +24

      I wouldn’t have convicted either. It’s insane to me that anyone would call that 100% positive he killed her. If there’s ANY realistic doubt, they’re not supposed to convict.
      For all we know, nobody killed her, or there’s some lunatic out there who might kill again while the jurors think they got the bad guy. But most people never think about what it means when they convict a potentially innocent person.
      They just think “oh I wouldn’t have done that. An innocent person wouldn’t blink that much. Those are fake tears.” And other bs like that that doesn’t really mean anything.

  • @jennifermartinez2834
    @jennifermartinez2834 10 місяців тому +62

    I am surprised there was no Ring/security camera footage in their neighborhood. That would have really solidified the evidence in combination with their phone and Fitbit time info. Poor daughter. Rip Kitty Kat West🙏💔

  • @Miswak.
    @Miswak. Рік тому +20

    "Now, dont quote me on this, because I'm not a parent"
    -Adrian

  • @herbwitch5681
    @herbwitch5681 Рік тому +1763

    Yeah, this is a tough one. I think the husband is being perfectly honest in saying that he would never intentionally hurt Kitty, but there was a lot of alcohol involved that night. It’s entirely conceivable that an argument got out of control and he lashed out in a way he would never have done sober. Manslaughter was the correct call. A tragedy for everyone involved.

    • @danbrinkley8638
      @danbrinkley8638 Рік тому +39

      I couldn't agree with you more, Patricia.

    • @katiewray2525
      @katiewray2525 Рік тому +113

      Defnitely. Alcohol can turn even the calmest peaceful, placid people into raging monsters.. I know from plenty of experience.

    • @ThomasSawyers
      @ThomasSawyers Рік тому +30

      Yeah I'm sure that's an easy conclusion as a woman, I mean completely neglect to mention that 40% of domestic violence is perpetuated by women and that way you can create a dialogue of "angry man gets angry and does angry things" right? If in doubt, blame the man!

    • @ThomasSawyers
      @ThomasSawyers Рік тому +39

      A dingo really did get that woman's baby, and yet the jury found her guilty of murder. 30 years later a coroner says, oops it WAS a dingo

    • @danbrinkley8638
      @danbrinkley8638 Рік тому +66

      @@ThomasSawyers Whereas I respect your right to express this opinion, I hope you can see this tragedy as it is, especially for the daughter, sans though the lens of DV stats.

  • @howdypotowty
    @howdypotowty Рік тому +765

    One of these days he's going to do an episode outlining someone's life and it just ends with nothing really bad happening, they just live out in the woods quietly. No murder. No plots. Just.... "and everything was fine..."

    • @CAHSR2020
      @CAHSR2020 Рік тому +22

      Everybody was alive, but they were hidden by the woods, so they found the last man to see them and locked him up.

    • @JME1186
      @JME1186 Рік тому +17

      A mundane yet still enjoyable trip to the Coffeehouse ? I call that a Sunday!

    • @DearMissWhite
      @DearMissWhite Рік тому +36

      I would love this as an April Fool's episode 🤣

    • @katietaylor8314
      @katietaylor8314 Рік тому +13

      I keep thinking the same thing! Every time he says "And unfortunately..." a part of me hopes the next part will be "...just kidding, she made a full recovery and went on to live a long and happy life!"

    • @frankreads8618
      @frankreads8618 Рік тому +6

      It would kinda defeat the whole "Crime" part of "Coffeehouse Crime."

  • @loulouedmo
    @loulouedmo Рік тому +72

    If his in-laws think he’s innocent that says a lot in his defence. I feel sorry for their little girl😢

  • @rosabellemorrell4309
    @rosabellemorrell4309 11 місяців тому +10

    I have just recently found your videos within the last couple weeks, so I have been playing catch-up but I really admire your style. I really like the little tasteful jokes you throw in your videos.
    As a born true crime junkie with a love for coffee, this was right up my alley. Thank you!

  • @valbirkner8131
    @valbirkner8131 Рік тому +536

    I was a bartender for 12 years and have a hard time believing that you can hit someone hard enough to kill them without breaking the bottle. Also, absinthe is no joke...even the one in the US. It hits differently than other alcoholic beverages. If it was her first time drinking it she could easily have become erratic. Sad case either way.

    • @jenniferlisow2901
      @jenniferlisow2901 Рік тому +43

      Agreed about the absinthe part. That is a highly potent alcohol that most people wouldn't touch. I am included in that group, but I had a former neighbor that had it. He said it totally messed him up, way more than any other type of alcohol & he didn't consume much of it. If the they consumed it & weren't familiar with its potency, then that may have led to the fatal injuries the wife sustained.

    • @mattc2320
      @mattc2320 Рік тому +83

      I was a bouncer for 6 years and I can assure you you can strike someone with a bottle without it breaking. A girl and her brother and some of his friends were visiting my city for a night out and she ended up hooking up with her brothers best friend and having sex in the toilets, he found out and hit him with a bottle of grey goose vodka they'd bought at table service, it didn't break but fractured his skull and put him in intensive care. The police took the whole bottle as evidence and he was arrested and charged with aggravated assault and the copper said if the lad died he'd be looking at a manslaughter charge.
      So it can happen!

    • @Robert_D_Mercer
      @Robert_D_Mercer Рік тому +44

      @@mattc2320 the very corners/bottom of the bottle if stuck by a certain angle, could deal ALOT of force without breaking. It's basic physics when it comes to constructual form, it's a right angle point that's bent in a circle. I've built walls with steel/rebar that were curved and can tell you the pressure in those areas are stronger and way more durable. I'm just too dumb to give you the scientific explanation >_

    • @grimsgraveyard3598
      @grimsgraveyard3598 Рік тому +10

      Shouldn't be altering your state of mind when you're bipolar to begin with or any mental illness it's not a logical or wise decision. That includes smoking marijuana probably should stay sober and medicated to ensure your mental health stays positive.

    • @grimsgraveyard3598
      @grimsgraveyard3598 Рік тому +16

      ​@@mattc2320 I mean bottles are harder to break than people think. It's because movies show people just turning glass bottles into dust when they strike people in the head. It actually takes a lot of force and it generally won't break first impact unless you struck it on a hard surface that's not a human skull which isn't as hard as let's say the table.

  • @vernss3092
    @vernss3092 Рік тому +61

    They were both intoxicated. My late alcoholic husband would often get up and wander around in the middle of the night with no recollection, including unlocking opening and re-locking the front door. I also know drunk people do not fall the same as sober folks. I am not convinced he is guilty.

  • @jeannievanniekerk1527
    @jeannievanniekerk1527 Рік тому +2

    Hi there Adrian glad to be here. Thank you for covering these cases.

  • @rusticlife7149
    @rusticlife7149 10 місяців тому +14

    Sad case, I feel for their daughter the most. There is so much reasonable doubt, I wouldn’t be able to convict him. It sounds like she had a tendency to get a little wild (no judgement), and things can happen when you lose control. In the end, none of us really know but I would rather have him walk free than be wrongfully convicted

  • @raine0262
    @raine0262 Рік тому +502

    Without more evidence I believe there is reasonable doubt for a murder conviction.

    • @bridges5659
      @bridges5659 Рік тому

      Yep. you hit the nail on the head ...or maybe you hit the bottle on the head. 😁

    • @JALA578
      @JALA578 Рік тому +33

      Exactly we can't start incriminating people without evidence. Regardless of whether or not he killed her we cannot accuse based on a possibility.

    • @trevthegamedev
      @trevthegamedev Рік тому +6

      I thought he wasn’t convicted of murder

    • @JALA578
      @JALA578 Рік тому +8

      @@trevthegamedev he was thrown in prison and they put the murder on him.

    • @trevthegamedev
      @trevthegamedev Рік тому +7

      @@JALA578 I thought it was manslaughter though

  • @darahw7028
    @darahw7028 Рік тому +570

    As others have commented, I appreciated your description of bipolar-- as a psychologist, I often cringe with descriptions on the media that make no effort to educate themselves about mental illnesses they describe and perpetuate misinformation. Without going into detail about bipolar illness, you provided a respectful and unsensational description of the illness.

    • @cdes1776
      @cdes1776 Рік тому +22

      Thank you for saying so. I said, "Hurray!" when he got Bipolar correct. I'm Borderline and DO have those dramatic mood swings, though medically tempered now.

    • @venusvalora
      @venusvalora Рік тому +16

      As someone with bpd2, I also loved his description and explanation of it! Nice to see someone actually do research to understand the disorder.

    • @helenstueber3943
      @helenstueber3943 Рік тому +16

      There are 2 types of bipolar, 1 and 2. It runs in my family. My mother was bipolar one, delusional, paranoid and psychotic.
      Bipolar 2 is much less than that. My sister and I have it. It's more like very strong mood swings; very depressed and overly talkative. No psychosis.

    • @catherinecarmichael3180
      @catherinecarmichael3180 Рік тому +11

      Bipolar 2 here and I also appreciate when people are respectful and compassionate.

    • @milagiganticurchod6138
      @milagiganticurchod6138 Рік тому +2

      Well actually Adrian did not mention if she suffered from Bipolar 1 or 2: huge difference as you should know

  • @Sunshine-rk5zl
    @Sunshine-rk5zl Рік тому +1

    You have a way of pulling me into these stories, of which I otherwise wouldn't have a huge interest. Thank you😊

  • @JoanBrown-tf6dr
    @JoanBrown-tf6dr 11 місяців тому +1

    Thankyou for the work you put into the videos 🎉

  • @nicolelarson1084
    @nicolelarson1084 Рік тому +153

    Knowing that he could have walked out of prison at that moment if he plead guilty but wanted to prove his innocence makes me believe that he is innocent.
    Tough, though, he could blacked out and did it.
    She definitely could have caused those injuries herself if she was really intoxicated

    • @redwatch.
      @redwatch. 10 місяців тому +4

      Good point about black out. I wonder if his blood alcohol level was tested?

  • @subrosa4792
    @subrosa4792 Рік тому +189

    You covered this case really well. Good job with not sensationalizing the story!

    • @cdes1776
      @cdes1776 Рік тому +2

      Completely agree, the opportunity to do so is certainly there but was the road not taken. Well done.

    • @criessmiles3620
      @criessmiles3620 Рік тому

      Frustrated simp couldn’t contain his frustration regarding his so called wife behaving as a prostitute
      From west Africa
      🦅

  • @opheliamoles4126
    @opheliamoles4126 Рік тому +9

    I love that Adrian showcases the lesser seen cases. I can’t wait to see if he does one of the Timothy Haslett Jr case soon now that its wrapping up.

  • @shosmyth1454
    @shosmyth1454 Рік тому

    Thank you for your hard work!

  • @colbymclemore7642
    @colbymclemore7642 Рік тому +188

    Just really want to thank you for explaining BPD so well, I suffer from it pretty badly and can have several month long depressive episodes and it’s hard to make others understand. You’re one of my favorite channels!

    • @strangetimez
      @strangetimez Рік тому +8

      Same,bipolar disorder*...is a nightmare.

    • @ddata7973
      @ddata7973 Рік тому +49

      BPD stands for borderline personality disorder; BD is bipolar disorder.

    • @strangetimez
      @strangetimez Рік тому

      @@ddata7973 yeah but it can also be called _BPAD_ ,it can be referred to as _manic illness_ rather to clear up confusion. It's two completely different illnesses

    • @0ddddduck
      @0ddddduck Рік тому +26

      @@ddata7973 kinda funny bc the symptoms people often attribute to bipolar are actually BPD symptoms. Always glad to see someone clear this common abbreviation misconception up though (:

    • @MM-hf6om
      @MM-hf6om Рік тому +8

      ​@@ddata7973 lol dating someone with bpd is like dating a narc that thinks they are the victim

  • @JordynLWatts
    @JordynLWatts Рік тому +237

    Like others have said, I think the amount of alcohol might've caused an argument that quickly escalated into violence. He might not have realized that he struck her, and figured he'd give her some time to cool off outside. He went to bed until 1am (or whenever that odd security blip was), realized she wasn't back inside, and went out to see what she was doing - only to find she was dead. He panicked and went back inside, tried to process all that happened and how he could explain it, paced around his house, and unable to come up with anything, decided to just say he'd been asleep. Regardless, it does seem like it all came down to an unfortunate series of events from too much alcohol in a short period of time. That poor child, and both families, now have a wound that will never fully go away.

    • @craigmeyer6957
      @craigmeyer6957 Рік тому +12

      You’d have to hit somebody on the head pretty fucking hard in order to kill them with a single blow. Dude was swinging for the fences with that bottle

    • @mentalasylumescapee6389
      @mentalasylumescapee6389 Рік тому +5

      typical typical typical, if you are hot don't hook up with an ugly person, they will never EVER get over envy. ugly person will be jealous of you no matter even if they are WITH you.
      she was hot and he was not R.I.P poor women.

    • @StardustRains
      @StardustRains Рік тому +28

      ​@@mentalasylumescapee6389 I seriously doubt envy had anything to do with it and have 0 clue where you've pulled that from lol

    • @bronminett4042
      @bronminett4042 Рік тому +3

      @@StardustRains you would be surprised

    • @foxman105
      @foxman105 Рік тому +6

      @@craigmeyer6957 I think he switched to killer mode from his military training. When he was completely drunk. There are places that you can hit on the head that will shut a person down. Full force with a bottle... you're done. I won't disclose where to hit people for such an effect. Hand to hand combat is trained in military and it's not the martial arts one. One hit with full force and it's the end. I think he just snapped over an argument and failed to process it in time, and give first aid. Then he just panicked. Shame. It's now a ruined family. 2'nd degree manslaughter, criminal negligence, failure of duty to warn. That would be some heavy charges.

  • @alloralou4722
    @alloralou4722 Рік тому +4

    I’m 59 and have gone through most medications out there and my symptoms are still pretty bad. The older I get it seems the worse they are. It can be very disrupting to say the least. Thank you for explaining no two bipolar people are the same.

  • @lesliewilson-xx6de
    @lesliewilson-xx6de Рік тому +15

    The way you described people who have bipolar disorder made me feel a lot better, most of the time the description makes us seem like monsters. Thank you for your gentleness and understanding.

    • @petekdemircioglu
      @petekdemircioglu 11 місяців тому

      Everyone is Sick. I have data to prove. Just differrntly. At least youre not antisocial. Those are real Monsters and there are too many of them.

  • @uncrustables6
    @uncrustables6 Рік тому +81

    I feel like whether he did it or not, there is definitely enough reasonable doubt that the jury shouldn’t have been able to convict him.

  • @joshuafurr9439
    @joshuafurr9439 Рік тому +159

    I really hate alcoholism. I'm someone who has never touched alcohol in my life because I grew up in a family full of full-blown alcoholics and I didn't want that to also be me. So many terrible stories where someone does something awful includes getting drunk. Go on the relationships subreddit and most of the "I cheated" or "they cheated" stories involve alcohol. People doing stupid stuff and hurting themselves or others involves alcohol.

    • @beccas.7762
      @beccas.7762 Рік тому +1

      Don't blame the person, blame the booze. Be better.

    • @adullsam
      @adullsam Рік тому +6

      not many people love alcoholism, tbf

    • @sharonhare4835
      @sharonhare4835 Рік тому +39

      @@beccas.7762 people are responsible for their own behavior.

    • @MsMaryPatricia
      @MsMaryPatricia Рік тому +30

      @@beccas.7762 Booze doesn't have a mind of it's own and decide to jump down someone's throat. People make choices and are responsible for the consequences.

    • @borisdorofeev5602
      @borisdorofeev5602 Рік тому +27

      @@beccas.7762 being intoxicated is not a mitigating factor or excuse for bad behavior.

  • @Tindel10
    @Tindel10 5 місяців тому

    Amazing work

  • @NevadaLamb
    @NevadaLamb 4 місяці тому

    I’m so thankful for UA-camrs!! I just watched this case on 48 Hours and they cover so little. Everything important is mentioned as a side note. I come away from the episode only knowing the Cliff Notes version. Thanks to you, I fully understand the case.

  • @damodunt853
    @damodunt853 Рік тому +597

    The idea that her height meant she couldn't cause such an injury is very strange to me, when you're sober you can shift your weight and control your fall, whereas when you're drunk your entire bodyweight is taking you straight down due to the lack of control

    • @Mattblaze1477
      @Mattblaze1477 Рік тому +84

      I thought the same, very very strange. Like hey all the short people are free from danger, start throwing yourselves on the ground.

    • @Undergr0undgaming
      @Undergr0undgaming Рік тому +75

      The DA knew he could win the case and went for it. They don't care about innocent or guilty, just winning cases. Law enforcement is a joke sometimes.

    • @nikkyk4839
      @nikkyk4839 Рік тому +20

      It's the placement of the injury that led to the conclusion.

    • @craigmeyer6957
      @craigmeyer6957 Рік тому

      Height aside, you’d have to hit somebody on the head pretty fucking hard in order to kill them with a single blow

    • @bronminett4042
      @bronminett4042 Рік тому +16

      It actually makes perfect sense and has to do with the placement of the injury.

  • @stitchedtogether88
    @stitchedtogether88 Рік тому +174

    Thank you for clarifying that about bipolar disorder. I have it & I cannot stand when I get upset or in a bad mood & ppl automatically say it's my bipolar and "did you take your medication"? Its so patronizing.

    • @Mouse73
      @Mouse73 Рік тому +8

      My ex-husband used to do this to me all the time.

    • @Jenny_thebeaglemom
      @Jenny_thebeaglemom Рік тому +11

      I’m glad I’m not the only one. It’s like if you have bipolar disorder if you show any emotion the first words out of peoples mouth is, “did you take you medication today?”. I try and tell people it doesn’t work that way and the “mood swings” last a long period of time.

    • @matthewwold8589
      @matthewwold8589 Рік тому +7

      My mom has bipolar disorder I can honestly say there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking if someone has taken their medication if you know them well enough seriously if you live with someone who has really bad bipolar there is nothing wrong asking …. If you have bipolar and you are going through a manic state do everyone a favor and excuse yourself from that situation because you might not understand it but you are driving everyone insane… and that is coming from a person who as a mom is bipolar schizophrenic type 2 my wife has PTSD with bouts of psychosis so I will say again if it’s someone that you love and you have a good relationship with them there shouldn’t be anything wrong with asking if they taking their medication if they’re acting in a way that would warrant that question….. living with bipolar has its struggles issues by living with someone that has bipolar totally different situation‘s

    • @vladito80
      @vladito80 Рік тому +1

      Isn't borderline personality disorder? If your mood changes several times per day, than it isnt bipolar.. its blpd..

    • @Mouse73
      @Mouse73 Рік тому +2

      @@vladito80 are you saying your mood never changes throughout the day, or that if it does you have a diagnosis of borderline personality disorder?

  • @skreemqueen7520
    @skreemqueen7520 Рік тому +3

    Long time subscriber from Huntsville, Alabama! Thank you for covering a case from my home state. Huntsville is known for The Space & Rocket Center, NASA Space Camp etc.
    This is a sad case. I feel terrible for Kat’s family and friends. May she Rest In Peace.
    Great work , Adrian. Oh and of course, Roll Tide !

  • @LogicallyLost
    @LogicallyLost Рік тому

    I live in Calera, AL an remember when this happened. It was definitely out of character for our city an had everyone talking about it. i think its really cool to see an episode pertaining to this murder.

  • @cats.addict6457
    @cats.addict6457 Рік тому +499

    Bipolar condition + alcohol is a real bad mix... in fact, being bipolar, I understand she was under medication and therefore alcohol is an absolute "no"
    My thoughts are for this little girl who lost both parents 🙏🙏🙏

    • @sandracid4987
      @sandracid4987 Рік тому +26

      Excellent point. Nervous system meds and alcohol are a very bad choice, producing the potentiation on of the ethilic substance, in other words, you get drunk faster.

    • @wasntme5686
      @wasntme5686 Рік тому +25

      Yup as a fellow bipolar here I fully agree alcohol is big trouble waiting to happen

    • @strangetimez
      @strangetimez Рік тому +28

      Alcohol involved with BD is extremely dangerous not just for her but others around her cause some people with BD tend to get aggressive. I have BD and sometimes i lack to control my impulses and she may have triggered her husband by hitting him or calling him names. Overall BD is extremely,extremely hard to control. Alcohol is an absolute NO.

    • @askwhateverlol
      @askwhateverlol Рік тому +7

      What happens when you drink with your bipolar disorder? Asking for me. Who drinks and is bipolar.

    • @shawnnewell4541
      @shawnnewell4541 Рік тому +10

      I am bipolar too and you are right. Alcohol is a bad mix.

  • @embers.echoes
    @embers.echoes Рік тому +93

    As a true crime enthusiast who has both schizophrenia and bipolar disorders I have to say how much it means to hear someone fairly outline the reality of bipolar symptoms rather than sensationalizing the diagnosis and further inflating the stigma surrounding the condition to increase dramatic appeal or whatever. It is incredibly refreshing to hear it described so fairly and in my opinion very true to reality, so thank you for setting the record straight. I wish more people reported on it like you have.

    • @rhondaharrigan2838
      @rhondaharrigan2838 Рік тому +9

      I'm bipolar also and a psychiatric nurse ironically. This disorder is misunderstood by the majority of the population

    • @petekdemircioglu
      @petekdemircioglu 11 місяців тому +3

      Wow. Thats a hard combination to Deal with. I have BPD: almost killed me 10 times Between 16-21. One Doctor Said I should have been dead by now and the only reason I am not is because I have a Genius Level IQ which somehow controlled the BPD.

    • @lesliekupchanko5001
      @lesliekupchanko5001 8 місяців тому +1

      "Ain't That The Truth"
      It's time to speak out about the truth about it.
      It's very exaggerated in movies and True Crime.

  • @FreeSpiritTravel_
    @FreeSpiritTravel_ 2 місяці тому +1

    Oh Adrian 🤭🤣 the way you said Pappadeaux had me laughing so hard!! Cajun girl here 🫶 Another great vide.

    • @bugnazbinnyking1198
      @bugnazbinnyking1198 2 місяці тому

      I missed him saying it, but this comment got me curious -
      If anyone else is interested: PappaDoh(dough)

    • @bugnazbinnyking1198
      @bugnazbinnyking1198 2 місяці тому

      As in: Papa Do(n't preach)

  • @elaynewrightberman2336
    @elaynewrightberman2336 Рік тому

    Side note your background is awesome ❤

  • @mitrovarr
    @mitrovarr Рік тому +72

    I don't know if he did it or not. However it is worth noting that certain head injuries could allow her to get back up, wander around, even go into and out of to the house, before falling unconscious and dying. A subdural hematoma, for instance. So an accidental death isn't impossible with the two locations.

    • @heidih3048
      @heidih3048 Рік тому +1

      Yes, but a simple fall on her part would not likely cause a subdural hematoma. Maybe if she were age 70 or older. But that was not the case.

    • @mitrovarr
      @mitrovarr Рік тому +1

      @@heidih3048 Sure it could, if she fell wrong. Adult do die occasionally from routine falls, especially if they can't catch themselves (like a passed out person cannot).

    • @richvail7551
      @richvail7551 Рік тому +1

      I’m thinking that there would have been blood stains in the house to corroborate such a thing.
      Since there was no blood then the only person left to open and close the door would be her husband.

  • @paulgibbon4045
    @paulgibbon4045 Рік тому +74

    I'm glad I wasn't a jury member as this one would have kept me up at night.

    • @Chels7ea
      @Chels7ea Рік тому

      Try to see through the bs stereotypes you’re projecting onto both of them and it will become very clear he did it.

    • @paulgibbon4045
      @paulgibbon4045 Рік тому +9

      @@Chels7ea I do feel he did it but I don't think it's beyond reasonable doubt. Especially when he could have walked away a free man just by admitting it but he didn't. Why?? Can you answer that?

  • @paulinefortune1704
    @paulinefortune1704 Рік тому +2

    It`s a yes from me and a thanks for your hard work. x

  • @Keyser___Soze
    @Keyser___Soze Рік тому +95

    If you’re not sure or “on the fence” then you should 100% find someone not guilty! It should always be innocent until proven guilty. If you dont believe beyond all reasonable doubt that someone did it then you shouldn’t find someone guilty in that case

    • @bee1411
      @bee1411 11 місяців тому +6

      This!!!!!

    • @mrandersson2009
      @mrandersson2009 10 місяців тому +1

      Someone did it and the only person who could have done it was her hisband.

    • @AmberVivicide
      @AmberVivicide 9 місяців тому +7

      @@mrandersson2009 or it was an accident and she fell and hit her head, didn't realize how bad her injury was tried to walk and fell again. Absinthe is no joke, you can get super f****ed up on it and its a completely different kind of drunk than regular alcohol. Accidents do happen, sometimes there is no one to blame, its simply an accident. To me he was charged on flimsy circumstantial evidence. Im not saying hes guilty or innocent but it didn't seem like there was enough to prove without a doubt he did it, and if thats the case, you are supposed to find the person innocent. It's estimated over 900,000 innocent people are currently serving a prison sentence solely based on circumstantial evidence. So many people throughout the years have been released after a re-trial was granted with new evidence. Far too many people are locked up with circumstantial evidence, that shouldn't be enough for a conviction. All these people getting released are proof its not a reliable way to prove guilt.

    • @mrandersson2009
      @mrandersson2009 9 місяців тому

      @@AmberVivicide as i understand it forensics determined it was a hit to the head not the result of a fall.
      The proof is reasonable. You can also say she hit herself on the head with the bottle , but that is not reasonable.

    • @AmberVivicide
      @AmberVivicide 9 місяців тому +2

      @@mrandersson2009 if she was hit instead of a fall its not proof without a reasonable doubt it was him, that would be considered circumstantial evidence, or an assumption based on circumstance. Assumption is not proof.
      And from everything I've read on discerning the difference between a short fall vs a blow to the head, the forensics do not prove one way or the other but rather fall into categories of "more likely" but definitely not 100% one way or the other. It is much easier to determine a fall from a high height, say a cliff, staircase, balcony etc to a blunt force hit vs a short fall onto a hard surface like concrete or a rock vs a blunt force hit since both usually cause small linear fractures, usually impact is of similar force and there is no penetration of an object, like a hammer, knife or pipes tend to cause. A solid unbroken bottle would cause a similar injury to a short fall onto a hard surface since both are mild blunt force. Intense blunt force would be drastically different in that these types usually cause a cave in with massive breaks in the skull, and severe injury to the scalp. An unbroken bottle would create a similar scalp injury where the skin might simply split open from impact much like when a boxer slices open skin when he punches their opponent or if a child fell into the corner of a table and needs stitches. Higher velocity head injuries, like high falls and car accidents also tebd to massively bruise the brain because of the impact of the brain against the skull, usually causing the brain to move back and forth rapidly and repeatedly hitting the skull.

  • @9Kindz
    @9Kindz Рік тому +68

    Me and my family lived in Calera from May 2013 to December 2020. The West family lived a short half-mile away from us. My wife initially saw the story in the local community Facebook group and said “surely this is another Calera, right?” Saying that this story shocked the residents of Calera is an understatement, since at the time, nothing this crazy had happened there in recent memory. Thank you for covering this close-to-home story.
    And also, thank you for pronouncing Calera correctly!

    • @brianmurphy250
      @brianmurphy250 Рік тому +3

      You lived close by? Sounds like a confession to me! 🧐🤨👮🏻‍♂️

    • @NoxCattus
      @NoxCattus Рік тому +3

      I was so happy when he nailed the pronunciation! :)
      The only other time I saw this story was so hard to watch because the person kept mispronouncing it lol.
      I lived in the Bham area for almost two decades and went to Montevallo for a bit. Still have family in Leeds also. I never would have thought I'd see a story like this from there.....

    • @9Kindz
      @9Kindz Рік тому

      @@NoxCattus Right! Made me happy to hear it spoken correctly.
      Me neither! It felt so out of the ordinary for the city. Was kind of sobering in a way to know anything can happen so close to home.

  • @katreno22
    @katreno22 11 місяців тому +1

    Adrian ..Your awesome!

  • @bradbengel917
    @bradbengel917 Рік тому +3

    I’m at a total crossroads with this one. It could literally go either way.

  • @staciespur8293
    @staciespur8293 Рік тому +367

    My opinion is that if he was guilty, he probably would have taken the plea deal and gotten out of jail as soon as possible. Hard to say how else she could have died though. 🧐🤔🙄

    • @MsMaryPatricia
      @MsMaryPatricia Рік тому +45

      Being in denial isn't the same as being guilty. He might have been drunk and had a hazy/no memory of doing it. He might have been fully aware of what he did but thought he'd get off. She didn't hit herself. He did it after a stupid, drunken argument where they were both pushing each other's buttons.

    • @darthphilfy
      @darthphilfy Рік тому +39

      I initially thought that too, however he did have strong support from both his and Kat's parents, perhaps he thought that would sway a jury in his favor.
      The phone & security system data contradicts his account of events, plus the young woman who discovered the body witnessed him pacing in front of the window when he claimed that he was asleep.
      I don't think it was intentional, but I think he did it and then did a crappy job of covering it up.

    • @ChewyThomson
      @ChewyThomson Рік тому +7

      ​@@MsMaryPatriciaThat's what I was thinking, he could have easily been blackout or something.

    • @margiewinslow872
      @margiewinslow872 Рік тому +18

      A know a case like this. If he pleaded guilty. He would have lost all opportunities to be a police officer in any capacity. So, he rolled the dice. And lost.

    • @TheGrr
      @TheGrr Рік тому +17

      Seemed super off how he insisted she died by accident, then went on about “I would never hurt my wife, not even accidentally.” Meanwhile he’s the only one really pushing the accident idea, while also saying he has no idea what happened because he was asleep 🤨

  • @ChefNourhan
    @ChefNourhan Рік тому +165

    Thank you Adrian for always being courageous and respectful towards all victims highly appreciated.

    • @OMERTA7337
      @OMERTA7337 Рік тому

      She’s no victim. She’s dirty AF. She sold her body for money & didn’t provide a safe sober environment for her kid. Her child is going to see the disgusting lewd pictures she sold to men and women to beat off.
      YUCK. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

    • @OMERTA7337
      @OMERTA7337 Рік тому

      @@gustavtarankov3899 I think the title fits. That’s ALL she was. An “only fans” prostitute selling her body for money…
      She wasn’t acting like a wife or mother.
      She didn’t contribute ANYTHING to her family or society but a massive amount of orgasm to strangers 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

    • @gustavtarankov3899
      @gustavtarankov3899 Рік тому

      @@tinaroberts5858 I dont think you would like to be remembered or be introduced to the internet after death as the onlyfans model who posted DIY erotic content rather than the daughter, sister or wife you may be.

    • @gustavtarankov3899
      @gustavtarankov3899 Рік тому

      If its so legit why didnt Adrian tittle the video The twitter or faceboomr user, he sensionalaize the title because ot was being used by KW to sell adult content, he even shared how she wanted to have sex with other girls. Divulging your sexual life after you passed away is so respectful

    • @gustavtarankov3899
      @gustavtarankov3899 Рік тому +2

      @@OMERTA7337 😂😂😂 I couldn't agree more, what bothers me is the double standard. Making UA-cam revenue off of her but then speaking highly of her.

  • @Ashley__Rose
    @Ashley__Rose Рік тому +17

    In cases like this I always wonder why the heck they didn’t have a ring doorbell camera

    • @palestar828
      @palestar828 Рік тому +11

      Not everyone can afford them. I'm sure they could have, but not everyone wants all that sort of technology around them. Not everyone is for technology you know since it IS an invasion of privacy and it's creepy. That's why.

    • @Raoul.
      @Raoul. Рік тому +6

      @@palestar828 Doorbell cameras are not an invasion of privacy nor are they creepy.

    • @tanikokishimoto1604
      @tanikokishimoto1604 11 місяців тому +1

      They weren't expecting to need a ring doorbell camera. Most folks don't have one.

    • @PackofDiscos
      @PackofDiscos 6 місяців тому

      The vast majority of homes don't have one, that's why?

  • @PashaAnn8888
    @PashaAnn8888 9 місяців тому +9

    I feel like he may be innocent. I do know that bipolar and alcohol and/or drugs is a lethal combination. My brother had both bipolar and addiction when he was alive and only made to the age of 35

  • @lady_k5588
    @lady_k5588 Рік тому +83

    The way you report true crime cases is very thorough and thoughtful. You never cast judgement, and give us just the facts. I'd love to see you as a reporter on TV!

    • @cdes1776
      @cdes1776 Рік тому +1

      I think he's looking to work travel into his crime reporting.

    • @margretsims1322
      @margretsims1322 Рік тому +1

      Yes, he would make a good reporter......

  • @samroberts5131
    @samroberts5131 Рік тому +76

    My grandfather had a significant head trauma, laid there, got up and fell 3x before passing away. Mild heart attack first one, major heart attack last one. Head traumas are weird things, each one different. Accidental or otherwise

    • @socialsocial8350
      @socialsocial8350 Рік тому +3

      So sorry Sam.

    • @heidih3048
      @heidih3048 Рік тому +2

      Elderly people are more prone to serious head injury when falling, as their tissues, including their bone and blood vessels, are more fragile and easily damaged. Kat West was not elderly.

    • @wolfzmusic9706
      @wolfzmusic9706 Рік тому

      ​@@heidih3048 other ex-alcoholics here have said they've had really bad falls & stuff so

    • @heidih3048
      @heidih3048 Рік тому

      @@wolfzmusic9706 they didn't die though, so..

    • @wolfzmusic9706
      @wolfzmusic9706 Рік тому

      @@heidih3048 and? They could have. They probably had people around to help them. Somebody also mentioned that when people get fatal head injuries, they can do weird shit before dying

  • @TheDevonleigh
    @TheDevonleigh Рік тому +3

    Evidence seemed very fishy against him at FIRST, the door being open was the main one that got me. It was supposedly open for like FOUR hours or so, HOWEVER possibly Kat was trying to make her way back into the house after possibly injuring herself and stumbled back outside, leaving the front door open. Then Jeff might have realized the front door was open probably hungover or still drunk, shut it, and went back to bed not realizing or seeing his wife outside. I don't know by the end of this and after seeing them happily together, and even hearing about their "argument" (which just seemed like him being sort of bitchy but not violent) he just doesn't give killer even in the mug shots. Him being "weird" to the police could have just been him being disoriented and having no idea what the hell was going on WHILE he was trying to find his wife might have even been annoyed if he had just woken up and was hungover. Two more things, the neighbor wasn't their "neighbor" she lived a couple STREETS away so how did she know who was pacing in what house?? LASTLY (sorry for so long) he WOULD NOT take the plea deal? Like guilty people don't really do that they usually take the plea deal if they're shit out of luck.

  • @kimtatami6559
    @kimtatami6559 Рік тому +1

    I’ve had a friend from uni who was an alcoholic and used to fall over and lose consciousness from absinthe, He has since passed away from his alcoholism and drugs habit which didn’t surprise any of us. He could have been a wonderful psychiatrist. RIP Owen

  • @mandaly42
    @mandaly42 Рік тому +180

    She very easily could have hurt herself being that drunk. When I was in the middle of my drinking days I had a bad weekend that I have no memory of. That Saturday I remember pouring a drink around 10-10:30am and the next thing I know is it's Monday late morning nearly afternoon. I couldn't figure out how to use my phone to call my work, I remember waking up knowing I was supposed to be there and it was very important that I call in. Then I decided I needed a shower before going to the hospital but I couldn't figure out how to turn on the water. Got to the e.r. and it was quickly determined that I had a concussion, pneumonia, and lost 5 toenails....5 toenails no longer attached to my toes and I to this day have no idea what happened.
    Now, my ex was there the whole time and he said I fell and hit my head, he found me passed out on our front porch in nothing but a t-shirt a d it was middle of November so Dr assumes that is how the pneumonia came about and the toes was from me repeatedly bashing my feet underneath the edge of a heavy glass tv stand. When I asked him why he didn't take me to the hospital before Monday he said he was too scared because there was a warrant for his arrest and he didn't want to answer a bunch of questions and risk getting caught. He is an addict and there his a definite reason he's my ex now.
    I'm happy to say I'm 6 years sober but that weekend could have ended much worse. I honestly think she most likely fell and he was either too scared to call for help or he really didn't know it happened.

    • @Nostalgic_1
      @Nostalgic_1 Рік тому +9

      Very happy for you!

    • @mentalasylumescapee6389
      @mentalasylumescapee6389 Рік тому +5

      typical typical typical, if you are hot don't hook up with an ugly person, they will never EVER get over envy. ugly person will be jealous of you no matter even if they are WITH you.
      she was hot and he was not R.I.P poor women.

    • @socialsocial8350
      @socialsocial8350 Рік тому +9

      So happy that you are sober, hope you still.

    • @KemmelPinto.
      @KemmelPinto. Рік тому +27

      @@mentalasylumescapee6389 wtf are you talking about lmfao

    • @mentalasylumescapee6389
      @mentalasylumescapee6389 Рік тому +2

      @@KemmelPinto. Envy. look up the meaning.

  • @JWildberry
    @JWildberry Рік тому +59

    The door confuses me. So at 10:54, the door opens AND closes. This is when he throws out the phone and she goes out. Her app shows no more movement after this, so it's likely (but not certain) that she died around this time. She could have left her phone and bottle out there at that time.
    Jeff's story is that he stayed inside when the door closed, and went to bed. His phone app supports this, since there was no movement between 11:10 and 5:12. At 5:12 he hears sirens, grabs his phone and gets up. He finds the door open and closes it at 5:12.
    The court seems to think that he went outside with her at 10:54 and put his phone down outside at 11:10. He stayed outside for almost 3 hours before opening the door at 1:51, leaving it open. At this time he could have moved in and out to clean up, stage the scene or whatever. He did not touch his phone which was laying still outside until 5:12 when the police was showing up, when he hurried outside to grab it, closing the door behind him.
    Based on the information in this video, I think the evidence against him is weak and contradictory. It sounds like the bottle has not been confirmed as a murder weapon, and the height argument sounds weak if they don't have a specific scenario to consider it against.

    • @leewilliams2763
      @leewilliams2763 Рік тому +8

      Agree. Seems like a tragic accident to me! Kit kat was a live wire for sure and liked to live at the extremes, bi-polar, unfortunately, it caught up with her!

    • @socialsocial8350
      @socialsocial8350 Рік тому +2

      Agree.

    • @CoffeehouseCrime
      @CoffeehouseCrime  Рік тому +10

      Depends on how you look at it! -
      10:45 pm, Kathleen's movements begin
      10:54 pm, door is opened, Kathleen's final movement (she may have been attacked by Jeff instantly when outside), he walks back inside and the door is closed
      11:03 pm, after washing up, Jeff picks up his phone (which he didn't have on him prior); he then heads to bed
      11:10 pm, Jeff puts his phone down in bed.
      01:51 am, Jeff leaves his phone untouched, opens door to make it look like Kat walked out to get her phone and died on the way
      05:12 am, Jeff picks his phone up and proceeds to close the door when a witness/the police show up.
      I'm honestly down the middle on this one, but the security/phone data can be used both ways!

    • @JWildberry
      @JWildberry Рік тому +4

      @@CoffeehouseCrime That sounds like a very planned and odd way of doing when the theory seems to be that he did it in an alcohol-fueled rage or blackout, not a planned murder.
      My problem with this case is that everything seems unlikely in one way or another! Combined the fact that Jeff didn't take the plea deal that would have made him a free man, I can't help but lean towards the accident theory.
      Thank you for another respectful and thorough episode! I have never heard of this couple before, but I can imagine how it's been covered in the media.

    • @koopatroopa187
      @koopatroopa187 Рік тому +2

      @@JWildberry I would like to know how much of the alcohol in his bottle was missing. I honestly don't think he was anywhere near as a drunk as presumed to be. Dude seems like a major fuckin' square and I don't think he partied anywhere near has hard as needed to be in an alcohol induced rage.

  • @skyflower7
    @skyflower7 Рік тому +3

    I can only imagine how much this guy is always going to be worried about his daughter.

  • @fabian5492
    @fabian5492 Рік тому +10

    The way you speak on the victims and the background information is very well done and you eloquently paint a pleasant picture of the victims, and an unbiased picture of the perpetrators.

  • @ianhutchinson7358
    @ianhutchinson7358 Рік тому +43

    This is a tough one. I dont believe based on what I saw in the video that this was "beyond all reasonable doubt" I'm not sure hes innocent but I cant see how anyone can prove him guilty either.
    Also, I think a lot of people get judged when they dont immediately burst into tears or something like that upon hearing something tragic. Lots of people (like myself) are very stoic and wont respond how normal people expect them too.

    • @myLizardisgreat
      @myLizardisgreat Рік тому +7

      Completely agree! Well said. Maybe he did it, but it didn’t seem to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

    • @criessmiles3620
      @criessmiles3620 Рік тому

      Frustrated simp couldn’t contain his frustration regarding his so called wife behaving as a prostitute
      From west Africa
      🦅

  • @ZGGuesswho
    @ZGGuesswho Рік тому +250

    nobody is gonna act normal drinking that much, these people were 100% deeply unstable

    • @ku8721
      @ku8721 Рік тому +25

      I can drank more than that last Friday had a great time! The only person I wanted to murder was myself the next morning!!!

    • @peterkeigwin847
      @peterkeigwin847 Рік тому +5

      @@ku8721 same 🤢

    • @Monkey_11
      @Monkey_11 Рік тому +5

      Ehhh. Welcome to the South.

    • @AmyWarriorPrincess
      @AmyWarriorPrincess Рік тому +4

      I can't drink like I used to because I take too many medications to do that.

    • @tomsevcik1792
      @tomsevcik1792 Рік тому +11

      Especially with a bottle of absinthe which I assume they probably shared. That stuff can turn you into a completely different human

  • @seanpatrick7497
    @seanpatrick7497 Рік тому +71

    Perplexing case. Alcohol was probably the main catalyst for this tragedy. Also, her bipolar disorder and disagreements over their different sexual needs may have been contributing factors that evening.

    • @chinbosschinboss2484
      @chinbosschinboss2484 Рік тому +3

      Why did he marry a cam girl? Her head game must have been insane.
      She wanted both worlds.

    • @seanpatrick7497
      @seanpatrick7497 Рік тому +9

      @@chinbosschinboss2484 Well, she was gorgeous for one thing. Also, when their relationship first started and was developing, her alcohol dependence and behavioral health issues may not have been as evident as they would later become.

    • @chinbosschinboss2484
      @chinbosschinboss2484 Рік тому

      @Sean Patrick no. That's just you being an apologetic simp. Her issues were on full display always. People cannot just pick and choose when and where they become emotionally unstable if they are mentally ill in some way.

    • @Pinkpompoms591
      @Pinkpompoms591 5 місяців тому +1

      @@chinbosschinboss2484not the victim blaming

    • @drake000666
      @drake000666 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Pinkpompoms591 Hate people who say not to victim blame, sorry when people do bad things, bad things are more likely to happen, and being an alcoholic and an Onlyfans so called model is looking for trouble when you have a family.

  • @johnnyrook6371
    @johnnyrook6371 4 місяці тому +1

    As a drunken young partier, I've fallen and hit my head many times. Seems like an accident to me since these accidents are so common.

  • @mcg5404
    @mcg5404 Рік тому +114

    You're brilliant at telling these stories Adrian, surprised no TV programmes or channels haven't approached you as you're a very articulate guy who has a lot compassion and able to speak on behalf of the victims and their families.

    • @SisypheanRoller
      @SisypheanRoller Рік тому +29

      I think he's doing a lot better than TV honestly.

    • @bignoize23
      @bignoize23 Рік тому +6

      tv wouldn't pay as much as he could make through running his own YT channel

    • @WILMA_
      @WILMA_ Рік тому +12

      @@SisypheanRoller - I hope he keeps it that way, because TV execs and politics will just dampen his content. Adrian, you are the best at covering and narrating these stories.

    • @schrisdellopoulos9244
      @schrisdellopoulos9244 Рік тому +1

      Who needs TV when they are a leading podcaster? Most people have cancelled cable. We have. You must be a Boomer.

    • @schrisdellopoulos9244
      @schrisdellopoulos9244 Рік тому +2

      @@WILMA_ exactly. TV. Maybe that person shouldn't go watch Gilligans Island.

  • @roberthand6436
    @roberthand6436 Рік тому +30

    It's very difficult for me to believe that the jury was able to find this man guilty beyond reasonable doubt. I have to believe that a horrible accident happened, followed by a tragic miscarriage of justice. 😪

  • @angeliquematos2590
    @angeliquematos2590 10 місяців тому +9

    I think Jeff and Kat were extremely inebriated, and after arguing, I think Jeff hit kat in a fit of drunken anger; he probably doesn’t remember doing it! What a sad story…stay away from absinthe!

    • @SilverRingss
      @SilverRingss 7 місяців тому +2

      Man, thank god you're not a judge, men would be screwed.

    • @angeliquematos2590
      @angeliquematos2590 7 місяців тому +2

      @@SilverRingss My opinion would probably be different than what the rule of law would dictate my judgement be…🤓

    • @hitleractually8180
      @hitleractually8180 Місяць тому +1

      exactly this!!!! I cannot believe how many idiots are in the comments screaming "reasonable doubt." The simplest answer is usually the correct one. And it wouldn't surprise me he hit her and had no recollection. I also think he was jealous.....it was known she was pushing to have open relationships with other women and how long before that turned into open relationships with other men (and that might have already been happening). She was probably chatting up her OF dudes and he just lost it. His drunk state allowed his true feelings to bubble to the surface. Guy totally did it. Good jury. Bad judge for showing mercy.

  • @rambo4war
    @rambo4war Рік тому +4

    The sad part in all of this is that he showed no remorse while she lay dying in the street. A mom, a daughter, an Angel, his wife. At the very least tend to her and call the paramedics.

  • @alissavarnadoe7453
    @alissavarnadoe7453 Рік тому +72

    I’m undecided….He may well have done it but then again she may have fell. My condolences to the family❤

    • @Andreamom001
      @Andreamom001 Рік тому +11

      I’m leaning towards he did it, but it’s hard to be certain. He went to bed without knowing where she was? He went to sleep calmly after an argument? He got up at 1 am and opened the door and left it open why? If she wasn’t in the house, wouldn’t he either look for her or assume she’d driven off to stay elsewhere? And it seems unlikely a short person could hit their head hard enough to die of blunt force trauma just from falling over.
      Ooh, what would make sense to me is that they fought, he threw her phone out and locked her out. Then at 1 am he felt bad and opened the door so she could come back in…? And because she died, he doesn’t want to admit he locked his drunk, nearly naked wife outside in the cold? But again, how could she fall hard enough (in the front yard!) to die of blunt force trauma? Idk

    • @craiglortie8483
      @craiglortie8483 Рік тому

      ​@@Andreamom001who said she fell? That's just a theory. It could easily be that someone saw her outside ( after he locked her out) and came around, hit her in the head, and had his way with her before leaving her to die. There hasn't been any testing to find out if he had low sperm counts or not. If he doesn't, then leaves room for someone to have come by when she was passed out. I don't think she was out there without the bottle, drinks don't leave bottles far from them. That means that whoever killed her had the bottle to hit her with before he had his way with her.

    • @ZombieSazza
      @ZombieSazza Рік тому +8

      @@Andreamom001 that’s why I think manslaughter was the right call here, he may not have been directly involved in the physical harming of his wife, but his actions did lead to her death. I think you’re bang on the money with him feeling guilty around 0100 and unlocking the door, and doesn’t want to admit he left his nearly naked and extremely drunk wife locked outside the home. So he may not have physically killed her, but his actions 100% led to her death. It’s a tricky one for sure.

    • @GamingTeaParty
      @GamingTeaParty Рік тому +1

      If you want to be happy, never marry a pretty woman.

  • @zerostreakwindowcleaning4741
    @zerostreakwindowcleaning4741 Рік тому +9

    Damn. If I was in this situation and was not guilty and facing almost 20 years I would probably have to plead guilty if I would be released from prison. Tough situation

  • @takashiimotaki9593
    @takashiimotaki9593 Рік тому

    Everytime in the begining of your videos you invite us to have a coffee and i do so but i watch your videos very late and i can't sleep😛😝 but you do a good job

  • @banjomechanic
    @banjomechanic Рік тому +25

    Working in the ED in a hospital I’ve seen instances where a person suffered a head trauma and functioned for a short while afterwards but then succumbed to the injury. This is a tricky case and I can’t say one way or the other. What I am surprised about here is that this occurred in a modern neighborhood but there are not any doorbell cams or other security cameras that caught anything at all. It’s a sad story. I think if I had to blame anything it would have to be the alcohol. It’s fine in moderation but it sounds like they had consumed quite a bit.

  • @Donald909090
    @Donald909090 Рік тому +54

    My mother was bipolar back when it was called manic/depression. She went through life untreated. She married a great man, my father, who treated her like a queen. Since my father was a truck driver, he never
    saw the phases where she doled out corporal punishment. So I understand what those around this ladies' family went through. I am glad she received treatment.

    • @Tardisntimbits
      @Tardisntimbits Рік тому +2

      Huh...my Dad was suicidal manic depressive, and untreated until he moved out and married a nurse. He also doled out physical and mental abuse....odd though, if Payne is your real last name, as that's also his/mine. *Side note: He eventually went into being a trucker.

    • @didikanttour
      @didikanttour Рік тому +1

      My mum was in that age it diagnosis too. Bad treatments for it. Medication choice were terrible compared today.

    • @Donald909090
      @Donald909090 Рік тому

      @Tardisntimbits it is, and my dad's relatives were from upstate New Your.

    • @Tardisntimbits
      @Tardisntimbits Рік тому

      @@Donald909090 We're Canadian, but we have relatives somewhere in the States on the Payne side.

  • @janefrommel
    @janefrommel Рік тому

    Just getting started watching this episode, but I gotta say, the way you say "Kitty Kat" reminds me of the old meme, "I'm a cat! I'm a kitty cat! And I dance dance dance, and I dance dance dance..." 😂🤣

  • @hmac163
    @hmac163 Рік тому

    Another awful variation of BP is just depression for weeks, 4 days of happy, then mild sad for months then horrible depression again. It’s terrible.

  • @Robynn813
    @Robynn813 Рік тому +68

    In regards to her stumbling out of the house with a major head wound either from falling or being hit.. and then dying further down, I watched a case (I think forensic files) where an older man had been violently beat in the head by his son, the man got his newspaper from outside, then started preparing his lunch and getting ready for work before dropping dead. So it is possible a person could go about trying to move and with significant brain injuries even while dying. I don’t think that’s the first incident I’ve heard or read.

    • @clairealtman7269
      @clairealtman7269 Рік тому +4

      I saw that too!

    • @Robynn813
      @Robynn813 Рік тому +4

      @@clairealtman7269 that was a crazy case! It’s amazing what the human brain is capable of!

    • @patrickbrinkmeier1858
      @patrickbrinkmeier1858 Рік тому +10

      When I was in the Marine Corps I saw a guy who had a severely traumatic massive gunshot wound to his head. He was somehow still walking around despite slurring his words badly and having a chunk of his skull the size of 4 side by side fingers where the skull bone was missing and you could see into his brain and the chunk of brain that was blown out. He ended up dying but he somehow survived for almost 5 months after that and died in a military hospital back in the US during one of several brain surgeries and skull reconstructions. Also, Navy Seal Marcus Luttrell tells the story in his book and Movie Lone Survivor about one of the Seals on his team that was also his best friend and how he was shot in the head during that ambush by the Taliban and survived the first headshot despite having a large part of the back of his brains blown out. Not only did he not die instantly, he somehow kept fighting back for almost 25 minutes in a gun battle until he was shot in the head yet again.The human body is absolutely amazing. Some people are able to absorb obscene amounts of physical trauma that would kill most other people instantly. The best example of this is that Navy Seal who is the biggest badass I have ever heard of. Despite initially being shot 10 times he killed 2 Al Qaeda fighters during a raid on an enemy compound in Iraq. After he had killed those two a hidden one used a grenade to blow him up. He awoke after the grenade had knocked him out and got shot 17 more times. He then still killed the last 2 terrorists despite having been shot 27 times AND blown up by a grenade he WALKED hims of to the medevac helicopter with the body of one of his teammates. Think about surviving the shrapnel and blast wounds of a grenade that goes off next to you. Then somehow try to contemplate being shot all over 27 times and being able to WALK yourself out to the medical helicopter.

    • @jennajune2101
      @jennajune2101 Рік тому +4

      It was a deadly axe wound to the head. I think his name was Peter Porco.

    • @littleshopofeldritchhorror6224
      @littleshopofeldritchhorror6224 Рік тому +2

      @@patrickbrinkmeier1858 Holy Moly, I remember hearing the tale of the absolute badass seal, it’s still shocking all these years later

  • @Thesamurai1999
    @Thesamurai1999 Рік тому +46

    I think you'd find the Bergitte Tengs case here in Norway quite interesting. After over 20 years it has been solved. It's a convoluted story where the cousin was wrongfully accused of being the murderer, so much so that the family was split apart. This caused financial and emotional distress on the cousin, who was wrongfully judged for most of his life. It's a tragic story. The murderer, a man in his 50s, who took the life of Birgitte Tengs (1995) is also accused of taking the life of another person, Tina Jørgensen (2000).

  • @joannevona9020
    @joannevona9020 7 місяців тому

    Always informative with perfect narration -accent too 😉. Thank U. Jersey Shore Live 😎🇺🇸

  • @kyliemcsmiley88
    @kyliemcsmiley88 Рік тому +25

    It’s a hard one. The front door alarm, blood and steps kinda made me feel like she fell, he saw her but didn’t help her and went to bed maybe thinking she was playing it up a little bit and went to bed?? He woke up and realised she wasn’t there so went to check and that’s when he realised she was dead?? So then maybe he moved her body from the garden to the road just out of panic? I believe the neighbour saw him pacing cos he was still in shock/panicked??

    • @norimori5170
      @norimori5170 Рік тому

      Considering they're drunk, I feel like this is very possible. Nobody can think straight and often doesn't care about serious things when intoxicated. I feel like his crime is letting her die, neglecting the situation.
      He probably thought she just passed out in the yard, paced around to let the anger die down, then went to bed.

    • @marshallabam3335
      @marshallabam3335 Рік тому

      Instead of pacing around why didn't he call the police immediately to help someone he loved and wouldn't hurt.

  • @aleahboone4323
    @aleahboone4323 Рік тому +116

    When alcohol is involved, who knows? Definitely a tragedy for both families and their daughter. Condolences. Very unfortunate indeed, but an interesting and thought provoking story 🤔

    • @criessmiles3620
      @criessmiles3620 Рік тому

      Frustrated simp couldn’t contain his frustration regarding his so called wife behaving as a prostitute
      From west Africa
      🦅

  • @sheepdog03
    @sheepdog03 Рік тому +1

    “do I think he planned her murder? not at all” >> yeah bro that’s what manslaughter is

  • @deedebreaux
    @deedebreaux 11 місяців тому +5

    I would bet my life this was an accident after a ton of alcohol. While inebriated, the choices to do the right thing go out the window and the panic that sets in... well.. dumb decisions. At the end of the day, this was an accident. We can be prepared for so much. Bit there is always one thing we we never ready for, which becomes your downfall.

    • @nataliasophia32
      @nataliasophia32 10 місяців тому +1

      I agree. I would even be willing to believe that she actually fell on her own but he failed to get her help or pushed her lightly and she stumbled. I think 16 years is a bit much. Even if he did it by accident, I would still be ok with 10-12 years.

    • @deedebreaux
      @deedebreaux 10 місяців тому +1

      @@nataliasophia32 Well said!!

  • @Grandmotherof3
    @Grandmotherof3 Рік тому +9

    You are so thorough in your cases. Also very kind and unbiased. You present the information well!

  • @Weeeewriter
    @Weeeewriter Рік тому +229

    From what I watched in your video, I believe her husband killed her during an argument when they were both drinking. I don't believe it was premeditated, but a violent drunken moment of anger. RIP to Kitty.

    • @MakeAllThingsBeautiful
      @MakeAllThingsBeautiful Рік тому +4

      but could he really just go to bed and leave her outside like that? I think he would be very upset either way. I'd even argue his 'calmness' indicates he didn't kill his wife as if he had, like you say it would of just been a 'fit of anger' but in this case he would of been a slobbering uncontrolled mess when the cops turned up. Even his mother in law believes he's innocent ... surely that speaks volumes. Also the guy seems passive, if it had been a guy dead on the front garden, the wife would claim self defence, this is a slight possibility but i just can't see this guy being able to go to bed and calmly speak to the police, he'd be riddled with guilt which definately wasn't the case here.

    • @Weeeewriter
      @Weeeewriter Рік тому +13

      @Robert Bailey Anything is possible, Robert. The sad thing is that she died. She was someone's mom and daughter. I feel sad for her little one.

    • @warhammerklaus
      @warhammerklaus Рік тому

      lol, how you come to that conclusion will forever stay your secret....they dont even have a murder weapon you relized that, right? So how in hell do you come to the conclusion that he was in any way shape or form involved in this? That she fell and that she moved after that resulting in 2 pools of blood, is actually the most logical thing in this case presented...Its disturbing how they constructed a murder case out of the placement of the bottle and the phone...
      Ever watched a drunken person having something in their hands and trying to stand up after falling? First thing they do is place the objects in the most orderly way possible before trying to stand up, to show that they are not THAT drunk...I ve seen this hundreds of times.... the poor dude had an argument threw his wifes phone out of the door and went to bed, to awake to a dead wife and a life sentence....im so lucky that io dont live in the U.S. where dumbed down people decide over your future without understanding jack shit.....that poor dude..

    • @Sputterbugz
      @Sputterbugz Рік тому +1

      @@MakeAllThingsBeautiful yes. murderers do that a lot. lets assume he regularly abused her, then this wouldnt have been surprising. and his calmness when the police told him she'd died is weird. but then again, everyone grieves differently.
      also why would you assume the wife would claim self defense? she would most likely just say she didnt do it. why would you immediately admit to a crime? just get a lawyer if you're being charged. also not sure why that speculation of something that didnt happen is relevant

    • @Weeeewriter
      @Weeeewriter Рік тому

      @@warhammerklaus Talk to the detectives if you have questions. I'm just a person commenting on the video and what they reported.

  • @vivianberk5298
    @vivianberk5298 10 місяців тому

    The way you pronounced Pappadeux made me burst out laughing as someone who grew up in the South.

  • @yvonne5322
    @yvonne5322 Рік тому +4

    I feel like it was an accident that he tried to coverup fearing he'd be accused... at the end of the day the door opening around 1pm is hard to get over.

    • @13redlion13
      @13redlion13 11 місяців тому +1

      difficult to say from here. how well lit was the place where her body was? how drunk was he? he could have had a clear enough mind to check on her if she was just sulking in front of the door, but couldn't see the body on the other side of the road due to it being dark or him being too drunk to see it from far away.

  • @misscandyxO
    @misscandyxO Рік тому +21

    You stated such an important overlooked issue and that is the mental health of the parents!! So true, you can’t do well for others if you’re not well yourself. The state of the parents lives (ex mental health, etc) hugely impacts the quality of the child’s life.

  • @margaretannedrake5577
    @margaretannedrake5577 Рік тому +10

    Bipolar and alcohol is a no go, I have seen what unexplained antics and destructable behaviour to themselves occur. They were both under the influence of alcohol, he was the catalyst for what transpired however if he had unintentionally caused her accident as educated as he was, he would have taken the plea deal as he knew he would be the prime suspect. Excellent again Adrian, your compassion and digntity with this case. This one is tough as their daughter has suffered the most and her live is destroyed. Illness + alcolhol + social media 😪😪 what a tragedy. Thanks Adrian, you rock 🌠☺

  • @hellzbellz272
    @hellzbellz272 Рік тому +7

    Thanks for not demonising her just because she had only fans. Its quite clear that from this information, it was something they both were ok with and enjoyed.
    I can't stand it when people demonise things and make assumptions without looking at the situation objectively. I am personally not a cam girl or only fans user/creator, but just because you are, shouldn't mean you're assumed a promiscuous person or a cheat on your partner. As there are I believe a range of reasons some people do it, sometimes to feel better about themselves or just because.
    Whatever their reasons, sex/porn workers and those in that genre industry don't deserve to be dehumanised for it.
    So, I just wanted to say thank you. I'm a bit over the media and even other content creators just blasting these people for their choice of activity or job or status. Can we just stick to judging based on people's actual actions?

  • @LisaLumusic
    @LisaLumusic Рік тому +1

    This is such a strange case

  • @donnamcnicol5247
    @donnamcnicol5247 Рік тому +37

    You're right, this is a tough one to call. I can see it happening either way which is why I wonder why he was convicted. You are not suppose to convict if there is reasonable doubt and I believe there was plenty of reasonable doubt. I also believe if he did do it, prison or not, he will suffer to the end of his days for what he did to the love of his life.

    • @DJCPreston
      @DJCPreston Рік тому +5

      Unfortunately a lot of Jury cases convict without the prosecution seemingly reaching the standards of "beyond a reasonable doubt". Some you're left questioning if it even met the civil standard of "on the balance of probabilities"

    • @jdraven0890
      @jdraven0890 Рік тому +6

      Exactly what I was going to post. I don't think I would have found him guilty, but that is just from what was in this video. I wonder if the Prosecution managed to prove their case, or if the jury defaulted to " no one else to blame." Which would be a miscarr6of justice as the defense is not required to prove innocence or offer a reasonable alternative

    • @shachede6828
      @shachede6828 Рік тому +1

      His lawyers were not good at all

  • @supasempai
    @supasempai Рік тому +5

    I am proud seeing Coffee House Crime exponential subscribers growth, from mere thousands, now to millions, awesome!

  • @trickerafrican2632
    @trickerafrican2632 5 місяців тому

    I can’t imagine having drank so much the previous night that you wake up to the sound of the police prying around your home and strongly considering you as a suspect in something you can’t even put together 🤦🏾‍♂️.
    After watching this video I have been awoken to the horrors of intoxication and I, therefore, quitting.

  • @Luna.3.3.3
    @Luna.3.3.3 Рік тому +1

    I hadn't heard of this case. I really like seeing this type of _'Did They..Or Didn't They?'_ It's a good change up between solved and unsolved. For me, I kinda' don't think he did it. ...but it's just weird how the bottle seemed to be 'placed' by her.

  • @jaywade6443
    @jaywade6443 Рік тому

    I live in Opelika Alabama, about 2 1/2 hours from Calera and I've never heard about this, thats crazy!

  • @Ekm31
    @Ekm31 Рік тому +33

    WOW! Thank you so much for accurately describing bipolar disorder. You have no idea how much that stood out to me. No one ever seems to describe it properly.