Matt Jones looks like he's drunk, stumbles and accidentally drops the ball. Magically the ball does a great hook and strikes. Wow!!! (I gonna check details on his technique.)
Omg …I would be on my ass 12 feet in front of the foul line with no back swing ..how is it even physically possible to stop his own inertia ?? Lol amazing pin carry too
I read somewhere he actually has a physical condition that prevents him from bowling normally, what condition? I don’t know but interesting none the less
Threw a back up ball for years. I was a 185 bowler and wanted to pursue bowling seriously. I got talked into switching to a traditional style and dropped to a 165 avg. now I don’t know how to go back to a back up ball. Moral: if it is repeatable and works, stick with it
That happened to me in golf. I had some natural "lift" in my backswing but could always get it in the "slot" on the downswing. Was a scratch golfer and became an assistant pro at a nice club. The teaching pro worked with me to get the lift out of my swing and my hdcp went up to a 6. Took me about a decade to find my old swing...by that time I was no longer in the golf business, but I did get my hdcp back down to a 2, but never quite the same. I used to bowl quite a bit so I see a lot of similarity between the golf swing and the bowling throw.
I threw a full roller for years, and averaged 190+. I was talked into switching to a conventional semi-roller, and my average dropped to the 175-180 range.
I bowl right handed and plant on my right foot. I bowled for years in league like this and everyone couldn't figure out how or why I did it. I never felt strong planting on my left. I was born with a club left foot so it was casted at a young age. I averaged 195 and high game was 279.
Me too! I’m blind in my left eye (except some small percentage of peripheral vision) and I’ve always felt off balance landing on my left foot no matter how much I tried to fix it. I’m the only one I know who does this but now I know someone else! lol. My current average is 153 and high game was 235
That almost sounds exactly like me. I am a right hander for everything (except shooting pool). Though I bowl right handed, I end my approach with my right foot just like Campi. I've been bowling since I was about 2-3 years old (45 now), started off a candlepin bowler. And I've never been able to properly land on my left foot. It feels awkward and clumsy, even when I've tried with a 6 lb ball. I am not a great bowler, but I've averaged 180+ on standard house shots with a 279 high game/700 high series with it. Idk.
When I first started bowling, I released the ball so flat that it would spin to the right, and eventually our league's coach got me to bowl correctly, but I think that just shows how different everyone is and what people define as either being comfortable and/or effective for them. Makes bowling so unique as a sport.
New bowler here, i do that exact thing, im right handed but it spins right, and i just cant stop it no matter what, and even though my buddies screw with me, i make it work. glad to see im not alone. Lol
@@TheWildChildJr Yeah it takes a lot of practice and time to correct a throw, but as long as you're having fun, that's all that counts! The tip for me was to release the ball like I was about the shake someone's hand. It forced me to release the ball towards the inside than flat on top of my hand.
We called that a Backup Ball. It's actually a very natural way to roll the ball. I noticed growing up that many of the girls and women who bowled used the backup ball and did great. They'd hook the ball and use a lot of speed just like the ones that hooked the other way. "Hit the pocket each time and pick up spares."
Most people that throw like that practically lived in a bowling alley at some point in that lives and just developed their style through shear repetition, anyone with limited practice time could could probably never develop styles like that to such a degree.
@@hellsk100 LOL, I hope you never ever criticize football players, skiers, drivers, anything. Because you can't, you suck too much at those things to have an opinion compared to pros and semi-pros. According to your own logic, that is. Normal people are aware you can have all the knowledge in the world about a sport and still not be good in it in playing.
@@hellsk100 like half of these people are professional bowlers or are in the PBA, so, silence. and im not talking about the ability of anyone in this comment section so if you wanna talk about that, it's without reason To add on, they are having fun yet you come to criticize and judge them just because they have a unique style? that's a pretty bad move
@@hellsk100 I like how you're calling people out for "not knowing the sport" in response to you saying people like Bobby Campagnale and Tim Cagle II, two PBA bowlers, are guys you'll "never see in the PBA." Cagle's been in over 60 tournaments, for crying out loud.
same with the 2 handed style, osku started it in europe and then belmo started it in australia then brought it to the states. alot of ppl laughed at him and thought 2 handed was horrible and it would get him nowhere but now look at him, 2024 one of the best PBA bowlers in the world and the all time Majors winner. just because something is different doesnt make it cheating or how some ppl say bowling like a girl, or other haters hating on belmo. i been watching him since 2012 and im happy that he continued and he grew in the sport dispite the hate that 2 handers get. belmo is one of my favorite bowlers, ive been bowling for 22 years and im a 1 handed bowler and always will.
My 75 yr old lrft handed teammate was avg 145. I noticed be was sliding on left foot. Helped him slide with right foot and afyer 6 months hes at 170 and has a 279. Proud of the old dude!
Growing up in Milwaukee Wisconsin in the 70's, bowling was very popular. The leagues I bowled on when I was 12-13 years old, had kids with unbelievable techniques being developed. I mean some of these mere boys were smashing the pins consistently. Times sure have changed. I always hung out at the bowling alley.
As a left-handed kid I got a lot of screwed up advice from grow ups. Most were too dopey to even notice I was left-handed. This resulted in me holding a baseball bat incorrectly (which I still do to this day)and also me putting a difficult anti clockwise spin on a bowling ball by turning my hand outwards on the release. I followed the advice I was given but the advice was only for right-handed kids. This kind of stuff may be why it's said that left-handed people have more connections between the hemispheres of our brains. There's always a sort of cross referencing that goes into most thoughts about doing manual things with my hands and feet, etc.
Michael Linner I was a bowler, right handed, with an insane hook, my typical approach was as far right as possible because I would ride the edge and swing in with the force of all my revs, but I was at certain tournaments hitting the ball return on my back swing, so what I developed was my own style, I bowled with my right hand, but to the left, with a clockwise spin, It allowed me to avoid the ball return and keep my hook. My home lanes closed down and the lanes I started at screwed me out of scholarships, but my last league average was a 172 with that technique. If you’re still bowling, I wish you good luck and maybe we’ll cross lanes sometime
@@bellofortis2020 I guess that’s the term for it, had to actually look it up. I never knew there was a term for it. Something I just did and developed on my own for my situation.
Repent to Jesus Christ “Seek the Lord while he may be found; call on him while he is near. Let the wicked forsake their ways and the unrighteous their thoughts. Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them, and to our God, for he will freely pardon.” Isaiah 55:6-7 NIV M
As someone who has an unorthodox throw, it's awesome to see so many others have unique throws as well. And as I say to everyone who tries to correct my throw, "It's not about the throw, it's about hitting the pins consistently and comfortably. I found a way, so I'm gonna keep doing it."
To be fair, the people highlighted in the video are professionals over a few decades. The number of people with very unique throws are rare. But, I wish you the best of luck and hope to hear improvement on your unorthodox method.
I remember a group of bowlers on the next lane over as they tried to perfect the "one, two, yabba dabba doo" style after someone managed a strike with it. Of course, I think they were on their 3rd or 4th pitcher of Bud at the time, so that may have contributed to it.
I started bowling in middle school. Bowled league with my parent. My first four or five years I bowled just like Lou Campi. One day one of my good friends stayed after a baker tournament we did together and fixed my approach with me. I was able to roll do much better and my scores improved drastically
@@waylandquiaoit3871 It actually looked different before that injury. His "stopping" is actually a basing step. Now, you notice at the point of release, he's in really good shape! Just like Brandon Novak, his hand position, balance, everything is just like they teach it. Just a little hitch in the follow through and it could slide by the pocket.
i think Cagle II got a very important concept right, he locks his hand position with left and guide the direction of the ball, then the ballspeed comes from the right, it's like seeing Naruto's technique but in bowling hahaha
First guy who comes to my mind is Ray Bluth, from roughly Lou Campi’s era. Held the ball in a kind of peek-a-boo style, then had a fairly orthodox delivery. Great bowler though. He’s in the PBA Hall of Fame. Bluth anchored the St. Louis Budweisers team that held the team total-pins three-game series record for 35 years. His equally illustrious teammates were Don Carter, Pat Patterson, Tom Hennessey and Dick Weber. Bluth shot a team-high 834 in that record-breaking team series, including a 300 game in the finale.
Sorry if I missed Don Carter and Mike Lichsten. But my next video will be low scores so give me suggestions below BESIDES Tom Daugherty and Steve Jaros.
Hey JH 223! Were you playing bowling by Jason Belmonte Friday? If you bowled against a guy called Hustle_RAP on the Statue of Liberty pattern, then what a great win! Nice meeting you!
Here's a suggestion: National television finals of the Miller High Life Classic at the Brunswick Wonderbowl in Anaheim, CA, January 15, 1983. During one of the earlier matches, Dennis Jacques defeated Joe Staton 163 to 133. This 2 game total of 296 stood as a the lowest total for a nationally televised match for quite some time. It may still be a record for all I know?
I think this is what I like most about bowling. That you can do it your own way and really find success if you work on it enough. No ones completely the same.
I end on my right foot (right-handed) and I always felt so weird for doing it, but it works for me. It's comfortable and most importantly, repeatable. Nice video!
Robert Charlebois from Quebec is like the left-handed counterpart of Lou Campi releasing on the "wrong" foot. You can find a video of him bowling against Carey Bock during the 2003-2004 TSN Pins Game but he didn't perform very well. Pat Desjardins throws fully one-handed like Bob Learn Jr but with the thumb out at follow-through getting some sick speed and rotation. David Riley in the same tournament is quite a textbook strokers, but his son Brandon has a high bent-elbow backswing and Jordy is two-handed before Belmo popularized it.
You are more than welcome to use footage of my swing if you do a follow up. There’s plenty of it on the jr pro shop channel and some older footage on mine. My brother converted to bowling 2 handed at around 14-15 after seeing belmonte as a means to support an overly flexible wrist and generate a higher track + rev rate
I bowled a 232, 5 strikes in a row when I was still learning how to do the 2 hand hook throw. I have also picked up 3/7/10 and 3/4/7/10 using the same method, I love picking up insane splits!
That's kind of how a friend and I started two handing in high school. We both threw one handed, but never were able to put the spin on it really good like the other guys. One day in our our junior year my friend said he tried two handed with his dad one the other day. He said he bowled a really high series and started to get a lot more confident with two hands, so I started to do it. I immediately was getting higher scores, and when I started practicing more I got got consistent. Very glad I switched to two hands. Now I just need to fill in my thumb hole or buy a new ball. I don't bowl as much any more but I'd like to go out again because it's always a good time.
I have a fairly unorthodox style. Wide open shoulders where my swing looks like it's behind me, and I keep my elbow bent on the downswing but release it with a flick of the wrist like wes malott. It works for me and a 300 to my credit and a couple of 2nd place finishes and so far it's worked after 23 years of developing my game. I'm 31 now and still enjoying the game
Perfect ending shot. These techniques will get you some crazy splits. 4,7,9,10 and all his friends. Muscle memory is a helluva thing. They learn. The guitar for instance. Ya start out trying to put your fingers in certain places and after a short time your hand remembers what shape it needs to be. So no more, I need to put this finger here and that finger there. It’s like magic. How these crazy styles get consistent is hours and hours and hours of doing it till they do it without thinking about it. Magic.
I used to bowl with my 2nd and 3rd finger when learning to hook the ball when younger and did great, mostly strikes with some spares and rarely missed a spare. Then the older regulars started giving me a hard time, so I added my thumb and never was as consistent again. Then I injured my C-spine in the Army and cannot bowl very well anymore.
I went into the 10th frame on 188, not carrying any spare or strikes. I made the spare in the 10th leaving me needing just two pins out of ten for my first (and only) 200 game. I bowled a gutter ball. Never ever got close again since then. Showed the scoresheet to the shoe guy, who declared it the greatest choke in history lol - which it probably was :)
That's rough. Had one year in league carried about a 180ish average and for the first part of the season didn't get above 199. Became a running joke in the league. Best 199 game, for the last shot, had left the 3, 6 and 10 pins. Only needed two to get 200. The shot looked good, thought I'd hit the 3-6 pocket, easy 200. But no, took out the 6 and nothing else. We laughed, another guy bought me a beer and we had a good time. I wasn't sure if I was cursed or not. Good times.
Ima be "that guy" but Brandon Novak is a Columbus legend. I just bowled against him in league tonight. He makes it look so effortless. We won game one, but lost games 2 and 3. His team is amazing.
I’ve bowled against him too! Guy’s a beast!! Him and my Uncle Tommy usually are some of the top contenders for the Portsmouth City Tournament every year, I’m nowhere as good as them haha. Last tournament I got to watch him bowl and he absolutely swept the field. Man’s a beast, and he makes it look too easy at times lol
Bowled against him one time up at Stardust ~2 or 3 years ago but have seen him a ton. I still remember the first time I saw his approach and swing, just thinking wtf did I just watch that was amazing lol.
This video reminds me of my late, great-aunt Elizabeth Read. She was a wonderful bowling instructor, but her first shot was always very slow and on the wrong side of the headpin. I never knew whether to laugh or cry when she outscored me.
I've seen a lot of interesting techniques from people I used to be in leagues with, but those two that looked like basketball players making a bounce pass just broke my brain
Yeah, I have no idea how they have any power at all with that, much less control. I understand how they put the spin on, but everything else is just bizarro.
You missed the greatest of all time, Big Ern McCracken. The way he'd hold the ball with just his right hand while using his left like an outrigger for balance was next lvl. And what a philanthropist.
Jh223, My curiosity question I've had for years is: Why does it seem only women throw a "Back up Ball" ,a CW rotation instead the natural CCW? Even Left handed women throw "Back up Ball" opposite natural rotation.
I would love to see a tournament where the pros had to alternate first shots between a rubber and plastic bowling ball! That would be very fun to watch.
I like watching this because sometimes I’ve bowled the style most are accustomed to, but sometimes i don’t do it and i still hit strikes. Sometimes i feel like I’m doing it wrong, but seeing this, i gotta make my own style of throwing
Many of these approaches are fine, but you can tell why a lot of them haven't been widely adopted. The main sticking points some of these releases are: ergonomics, complexity (complexity tends to decrease consistency), ability to control/change speed, and accuracy, particularly being able to hit your targets down-lane.
True… but we can’t pretend that Jakob Buttruff kid’s release isn’t a broken wrist in waiting. He shouldn’t have survived more then 3 frames with that release
Lowest score on PBA Telecast is an even 100. There was a bit of suspense if 100 would be reached. Don't know if unorthodox, but Robert Lawrence of the PBA could bowl left or right handed. I believe he shot 800 from either hand as well. At one time, he fell through a skylight on his roof, messed up his right shoulder, and continued bowling PBA events left handed, until his right shoulder was healed up.
When I was about 9 I bowled and kept the holes facing up the entire time so my hand always had the knuckles up and I would just aim it down the middle and had no curve at all and it would start off with backspin and it would either have no spin when it got to the pins or slight forward spin. I did this because I got tired of bowling gutter balls and could not control the hook. I did not get very many gutter balls after that and I was pretty good at keeping it in a straight line. Trade off was I got lots and lots of splits but those made me less angry than a gutter ball.
Roger Bowker has an unorthodox style as well. When he puts his fingers into his ball (right handed), he then extends his arm outwards (in front of him) while holding it with one hand and starts swinging like that.
I've been bowling for over 50 years in leagues and I haven't seen some of these styles. I don't care what style you have, it's the Pin Count that matters.
Campangle looks like he's having a stroke out there. lol And Butturff looks like a dog's breakfast approaching the line but he's a tremendous bowler. Don't know how these guys do it, but results don't lie.
Lot of games against Bobby in my past. When the dude is on, he's unstoppable. Usually took me 260+ to beat him in match play. Wasn't expecting to see him in my YT recommended.
There's a Japanese female bowler with an unusual style. She's tall and starts off taking 2 steps forward then comes to a complete stop, pushes the ball forward then down and back all the way up way above her head to the 12 o'clock position before it comes down and releases. Very high ball speed and very little hook! When I first saw her I thought, WTF 😜 Surname of Nishimura I think
She's cute too. I didnt really find it that odd because she has good rhythm, despite the seeming pause. A lot of great golfers with unorthodox swings had great rhythm and timing.
I’ve bowled like loui campi my entire life and until I was a late teenager never knew it was wrong (I’ve always been pretty good at bowling, the highest I’ve bowled is a 204
I use to bowl started when I was 11 and stopped when I was 38 I use to bowl back up and was told I would never be a good bowler had a high game of 266 and finished with a 192 average which I was happy with this also includes stopping for 2 years to have a major back operation to have a rib out and bone graph of the hip and a 6" titanium rod put against my spine.
I learned how to bowl from my dad, who's a lefty; since I'm a righty, I ended up with a form exactly like Lou Campi. I've been bowling like that for almost 25 years now, so learning to bowl "properly" would probably be tough at this point.
He had a figure 8 ball swing but everything was back in line at the release point. Ron Williams was the other one I always remember but it worked for him.
I recently learned that 2-handed bowling techniques really only started to appear at the competitive level around 2009. It would be interesting to see how that technique evolved in recent years to become such a mainstream throw.
Man, growing up early 2000's I don't remember anyone bowling two handed. I always thought the holes were there to spin the ball. Also, my uncle used only a pinky in the thumb hole.
Those backwards bowlers are insane! But the craziest ones are the two-handed-drop-the-ball-with-tons-of-spin bowlers. They look so herky-jerky that it's hard to believe they can be consistent with that style. Belmonte's two handed style (and the other two handers I've seen on the pro tour) are very smooth in their technique...
So I tried out the Matt Jones technique and to my surprise it complemented my already two hand bowling style. Nothing but strikes. Although rolling like that gives you an feeling of an incomplete roll, kind of like you’re missing somwthing.
I used to bowl like the first guy, finishing on the right leg before the delivery. Everyone told me I was doing it wrong, but it worked for me. My best game was a 240.😂
Some of these you can figure how the style got started: odd timing, Novak's steering, the wrong foot. I cannot even imagine how you get to Butturff's delivery - even though he seems like a good guy, I would worry about anyone trying to emulate that approach.
@@GrantSweatshirt Have to hook a ball a lot to score on some lane conditions. In the 90s, I taught myself to bowl with my thumb out (one handed) to get the revs I needed. I could also bowl traditional if that was a better shot for the lanes. I could take 4 balls to a tournament and it was like having 8 bowling balls. With the recent rule change, I now have to have separate balls for bowling thumb in or thumb out.
I have never seen anyone else bowl the way that feels natural to me. I am right handed, end my approach on my left foot, and the ball ends up with a slight clockwise spin. I never kept close track of my average, but it was probably around 170 at best. I probably haven't bowled 10 games in the last 10 years.
Mike Lichstein. Won the High Roller Tournament at the age of 18 or 19 in 1988. He's the human pretzel. Probably one of the best lefties ever to never have a PBA card even though his dad Larry did. He still bowls and has 31 N.E.B.A titles. New England Bowlers Association. ua-cam.com/video/PtAlgBkF-Ag/v-deo.html
i know this video is a year old but i just saw it, i use to bowl with lichstein on the jbt, well he was a bit older and way better than me but we were all friendly. anyhow i cant beleive he wasnt in there.
Made my final Unorthodox Styles video if you want to see it!
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Matt Jones looks like he's drunk, stumbles and accidentally drops the ball. Magically the ball does a great hook and strikes. Wow!!! (I gonna check details on his technique.)
Yeah. WTF
Exactly what in the world does that look like from the front view
Omg …I would be on my ass 12 feet in front of the foul line with no back swing ..how is it even physically possible to stop his own inertia ?? Lol amazing pin carry too
I read somewhere he actually has a physical condition that prevents him from bowling normally, what condition? I don’t know but interesting none the less
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I'm so impressed that even 3/4 of these guys can release the ball without serious injury.
I was going to say the same thing. My wrists hurt just watching some of these guys bowl.
The injury will come as they get older it's unavoidable with most of those unorthodox wrist torques.
That’s so wild. The mechanics of the body movement say none of these should work but they pull it off
Man, I just let it roll off my hand as i throw it
I can't see Buturff throwing like that on the senior tour.
If you walk into a bowling alley & see Matt Jones playing Jim Cripps you're go to think you've entered the Twilight Zone.
I've done that backwards one several times. Pretty easy. I was facing the other direction though.
@Ryan Roberts wooooosh
Picturing the crowd behind you spinning like miis
Did you pick up the spare?
@@VortexStolenName whooooooshhhhh
Did you hit a turkey with the single ball?
Threw a back up ball for years. I was a 185 bowler and wanted to pursue bowling seriously. I got talked into switching to a traditional style and dropped to a 165 avg. now I don’t know how to go back to a back up ball. Moral: if it is repeatable and works, stick with it
I throw a back up ball, too. My house pro is telling me to roll with it though. No pun intended!
I also throw a back up ball, and I just now found my perfect ball currently averaging 160 :)
@@antoniowilliams4825 wonderful! What ball do you use, if you don't mind me asking?
That happened to me in golf. I had some natural "lift" in my backswing but could always get it in the "slot" on the downswing. Was a scratch golfer and became an assistant pro at a nice club. The teaching pro worked with me to get the lift out of my swing and my hdcp went up to a 6. Took me about a decade to find my old swing...by that time I was no longer in the golf business, but I did get my hdcp back down to a 2, but never quite the same. I used to bowl quite a bit so I see a lot of similarity between the golf swing and the bowling throw.
I threw a full roller for years, and averaged 190+. I was talked into switching to a conventional semi-roller, and my average dropped to the 175-180 range.
His approach isn't that weird overall but Eugene McCune bowls like there's a hamster piloting his body but the hamster only has like 80% control.
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Mark Roth would take up the entire approach and kick the ball return with his foot on his throw.
I mean, he's throwing it 20 plus miles an hour outside of the 5 board. It's hard as hell to stay balanced when he's doing that.
You’re becoming fame on reddit fam.
Lmfao! Ratatouille?
I bowl right handed and plant on my right foot. I bowled for years in league like this and everyone couldn't figure out how or why I did it. I never felt strong planting on my left. I was born with a club left foot so it was casted at a young age. I averaged 195 and high game was 279.
Me too! I’m blind in my left eye (except some small percentage of peripheral vision) and I’ve always felt off balance landing on my left foot no matter how much I tried to fix it. I’m the only one I know who does this but now I know someone else! lol. My current average is 153 and high game was 235
That almost sounds exactly like me. I am a right hander for everything (except shooting pool). Though I bowl right handed, I end my approach with my right foot just like Campi. I've been bowling since I was about 2-3 years old (45 now), started off a candlepin bowler. And I've never been able to properly land on my left foot. It feels awkward and clumsy, even when I've tried with a 6 lb ball. I am not a great bowler, but I've averaged 180+ on standard house shots with a 279 high game/700 high series with it. Idk.
glad to know there are others out there
I though no one goes right side on every thing 😂😂😂
Teach me your ways!
When I first started bowling, I released the ball so flat that it would spin to the right, and eventually our league's coach got me to bowl correctly, but I think that just shows how different everyone is and what people define as either being comfortable and/or effective for them. Makes bowling so unique as a sport.
New bowler here, i do that exact thing, im right handed but it spins right, and i just cant stop it no matter what, and even though my buddies screw with me, i make it work. glad to see im not alone. Lol
@@TheWildChildJr Yeah it takes a lot of practice and time to correct a throw, but as long as you're having fun, that's all that counts! The tip for me was to release the ball like I was about the shake someone's hand. It forced me to release the ball towards the inside than flat on top of my hand.
We called that a Backup Ball. It's actually a very natural way to roll the ball. I noticed growing up that many of the girls and women who bowled used the backup ball and did great. They'd hook the ball and use a lot of speed just like the ones that hooked the other way. "Hit the pocket each time and pick up spares."
Most people that throw like that practically lived in a bowling alley at some point in that lives and just developed their style through shear repetition, anyone with limited practice time could could probably never develop styles like that to such a degree.
Bowling is more of a game than a sport and I've always enjoyed playing it.
"If it looks stupid but it works, it ain't stupid."
@@hellsk100 LOL, I hope you never ever criticize football players, skiers, drivers, anything. Because you can't, you suck too much at those things to have an opinion compared to pros and semi-pros. According to your own logic, that is. Normal people are aware you can have all the knowledge in the world about a sport and still not be good in it in playing.
@@hellsk100 like half of these people are professional bowlers or are in the PBA, so, silence.
and im not talking about the ability of anyone in this comment section so if you wanna talk about that, it's without reason
To add on, they are having fun yet you come to criticize and judge them just because they have a unique style? that's a pretty bad move
@@hellsk100 I like how you're calling people out for "not knowing the sport" in response to you saying people like Bobby Campagnale and Tim Cagle II, two PBA bowlers, are guys you'll "never see in the PBA." Cagle's been in over 60 tournaments, for crying out loud.
Truer words were never spoken!
same with the 2 handed style, osku started it in europe and then belmo started it in australia then brought it to the states. alot of ppl laughed at him and thought 2 handed was horrible and it would get him nowhere but now look at him, 2024 one of the best PBA bowlers in the world and the all time Majors winner. just because something is different doesnt make it cheating or how some ppl say bowling like a girl, or other haters hating on belmo. i been watching him since 2012 and im happy that he continued and he grew in the sport dispite the hate that 2 handers get. belmo is one of my favorite bowlers, ive been bowling for 22 years and im a 1 handed bowler and always will.
My 75 yr old lrft handed teammate was avg 145. I noticed be was sliding on left foot. Helped him slide with right foot and afyer 6 months hes at 170 and has a 279. Proud of the old dude!
I miss the Saturday afternoon bowling with Chris Schenkel.
Chris Schenkal calling bowling was the Saturday afternoon soundtrack of my youth...
I never thought I'd be riveted to a bowling styles video, but I couldn't look away. Fascinating.
That was a fun watch. I remember as a kid keeping score for my Dad's bowling team back in the late 50's!
Growing up in Milwaukee Wisconsin in the 70's, bowling was very popular. The leagues I bowled on when I was 12-13 years old, had kids with unbelievable techniques being developed. I mean some of these mere boys were smashing the pins consistently. Times sure have changed. I always hung out at the bowling alley.
As a left-handed kid I got a lot of screwed up advice from grow ups. Most were too dopey to even notice I was left-handed. This resulted in me holding a baseball bat incorrectly (which I still do to this day)and also me putting a difficult anti clockwise spin on a bowling ball by turning my hand outwards on the release.
I followed the advice I was given but the advice was only for right-handed kids.
This kind of stuff may be why it's said that left-handed people have more connections between the hemispheres of our brains. There's always a sort of cross referencing that goes into most thoughts about doing manual things with my hands and feet, etc.
Left handed people have no choice but to figure out the best way to function in a right handed world.
Michael Linner I was a bowler, right handed, with an insane hook, my typical approach was as far right as possible because I would ride the edge and swing in with the force of all my revs, but I was at certain tournaments hitting the ball return on my back swing, so what I developed was my own style, I bowled with my right hand, but to the left, with a clockwise spin, It allowed me to avoid the ball return and keep my hook. My home lanes closed down and the lanes I started at screwed me out of scholarships, but my last league average was a 172 with that technique. If you’re still bowling, I wish you good luck and maybe we’ll cross lanes sometime
Sounds like you're throwing a back-up ball like my mother used to do. Looks very unnatural.
@@bellofortis2020 I guess that’s the term for it, had to actually look it up. I never knew there was a term for it. Something I just did and developed on my own for my situation.
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As someone who has an unorthodox throw, it's awesome to see so many others have unique throws as well. And as I say to everyone who tries to correct my throw, "It's not about the throw, it's about hitting the pins consistently and comfortably. I found a way, so I'm gonna keep doing it."
To be fair, the people highlighted in the video are professionals over a few decades. The number of people with very unique throws are rare. But, I wish you the best of luck and hope to hear improvement on your unorthodox method.
Hearing Chris Schenkel's voice for those early years took me right back to Sunday (or was it Saturday?) afternoons in the 70's. Warmed my heart.
I like this video since it really just shows bowling is all about what feels comfortable. Nice job!
5:41 novaks technique is actually satisfying, like a whip, or like really emphasising the flick of the wrist and the movement of the arm
I remember a group of bowlers on the next lane over as they tried to perfect the "one, two, yabba dabba doo" style after someone managed a strike with it. Of course, I think they were on their 3rd or 4th pitcher of Bud at the time, so that may have contributed to it.
I started bowling in middle school. Bowled league with my parent. My first four or five years I bowled just like Lou Campi. One day one of my good friends stayed after a baker tournament we did together and fixed my approach with me. I was able to roll do much better and my scores improved drastically
Fun fact wayne garber broke his tendon/s when he fall down the stairs
I can't really blame Garber for having that style.
@@JH223BowlingVids Yeah that’s the weirdest throw ive ever seen
@@waylandquiaoit3871 It actually looked different before that injury. His "stopping" is actually a basing step. Now, you notice at the point of release, he's in really good shape! Just like Brandon Novak, his hand position, balance, everything is just like they teach it. Just a little hitch in the follow through and it could slide by the pocket.
And he came back a year later and kicked ass up and down the west coast. Plus an RPI win.
Sounds like fun.
i think Cagle II got a very important concept right, he locks his hand position with left and guide the direction of the ball, then the ballspeed comes from the right, it's like seeing Naruto's technique but in bowling hahaha
Yea kinda
First guy who comes to my mind is Ray Bluth, from roughly Lou Campi’s era. Held the ball in a kind of peek-a-boo style, then had a fairly orthodox delivery. Great bowler though. He’s in the PBA Hall of Fame. Bluth anchored the St. Louis Budweisers team that held the team total-pins three-game series record for 35 years. His equally illustrious teammates were Don Carter, Pat Patterson, Tom Hennessey and Dick Weber. Bluth shot a team-high 834 in that record-breaking team series, including a 300 game in the finale.
All the years I've bowled and watched videos here on the tube, Never seen backwards bowling. That is amazing!!
Sorry if I missed Don Carter and Mike Lichsten. But my next video will be low scores so give me suggestions below BESIDES Tom Daugherty and Steve Jaros.
Hey JH 223! Were you playing bowling by Jason Belmonte Friday? If you bowled against a guy called Hustle_RAP on the Statue of Liberty pattern, then what a great win! Nice meeting you!
@@SiezetheProBowler My username is jh223 so I'm not sure if I faced you off.
Osku Palermaa won the 2010-2011 Shark Championship 173-149 over Dan Maclelland.
It is the lowest score I’ve seen to win a title match on TV
@@JH223BowlingVids I think so! Irl I’m going to a league today, shooting double 200 games in a 3 game match Monday. Once again, nice meeting you!
Here's a suggestion: National television finals of the Miller High Life Classic at the Brunswick Wonderbowl in Anaheim, CA, January 15, 1983. During one of the earlier matches, Dennis Jacques defeated Joe Staton 163 to 133. This 2 game total of 296 stood as a the lowest total for a nationally televised match for quite some time. It may still be a record for all I know?
I think this is what I like most about bowling. That you can do it your own way and really find success if you work on it enough. No ones completely the same.
Lol...couple guys use the "I'm Seizing Up" delivery. Good to see it back 😀
I end on my right foot (right-handed) and I always felt so weird for doing it, but it works for me. It's comfortable and most importantly, repeatable. Nice video!
Robert Charlebois from Quebec is like the left-handed counterpart of Lou Campi releasing on the "wrong" foot. You can find a video of him bowling against Carey Bock during the 2003-2004 TSN Pins Game but he didn't perform very well. Pat Desjardins throws fully one-handed like Bob Learn Jr but with the thumb out at follow-through getting some sick speed and rotation. David Riley in the same tournament is quite a textbook strokers, but his son Brandon has a high bent-elbow backswing and Jordy is two-handed before Belmo popularized it.
Ok thank you
You are more than welcome to use footage of my swing if you do a follow up. There’s plenty of it on the jr pro shop channel and some older footage on mine.
My brother converted to bowling 2 handed at around 14-15 after seeing belmonte as a means to support an overly flexible wrist and generate a higher track + rev rate
@@brandondriley Thank you very much
Just to touch on your last note, I know Belmo gets all the credit but Osku was the 1st 2-handed bowler to make a TV show (04 US Open)
I bowled a 232, 5 strikes in a row when I was still learning how to do the 2 hand hook throw. I have also picked up 3/7/10 and 3/4/7/10 using the same method, I love picking up insane splits!
Those aren't insane splits lol those are very makeable
That's kind of how a friend and I started two handing in high school. We both threw one handed, but never were able to put the spin on it really good like the other guys. One day in our our junior year my friend said he tried two handed with his dad one the other day. He said he bowled a really high series and started to get a lot more confident with two hands, so I started to do it. I immediately was getting higher scores, and when I started practicing more I got got consistent. Very glad I switched to two hands. Now I just need to fill in my thumb hole or buy a new ball. I don't bowl as much any more but I'd like to go out again because it's always a good time.
I have a fairly unorthodox style. Wide open shoulders where my swing looks like it's behind me, and I keep my elbow bent on the downswing but release it with a flick of the wrist like wes malott. It works for me and a 300 to my credit and a couple of 2nd place finishes and so far it's worked after 23 years of developing my game. I'm 31 now and still enjoying the game
Perfect ending shot. These techniques will get you some crazy splits. 4,7,9,10 and all his friends. Muscle memory is a helluva thing. They learn. The guitar for instance. Ya start out trying to put your fingers in certain places and after a short time your hand remembers what shape it needs to be. So no more, I need to put this finger here and that finger there. It’s like magic. How these crazy styles get consistent is hours and hours and hours of doing it till they do it without thinking about it. Magic.
I used to bowl with my 2nd and 3rd finger when learning to hook the ball when younger and did great, mostly strikes with some spares and rarely missed a spare. Then the older regulars started giving me a hard time, so I added my thumb and never was as consistent again. Then I injured my C-spine in the Army and cannot bowl very well anymore.
Damn dude, that blows!!
I throw exactly like Roche. Almost no backswing and a push flip style release. Works good.
I throw like Garber. 2 steps, stop. 2 steps, roll.
Matt Jones!?!! What IS that!??
OK, Cagle cleared that up for me 🤣
Wow. Funny stuff.
I went into the 10th frame on 188, not carrying any spare or strikes. I made the spare in the 10th leaving me needing just two pins out of ten for my first (and only) 200 game. I bowled a gutter ball. Never ever got close again since then. Showed the scoresheet to the shoe guy, who declared it the greatest choke in history lol - which it probably was :)
That's rough. Had one year in league carried about a 180ish average and for the first part of the season didn't get above 199. Became a running joke in the league. Best 199 game, for the last shot, had left the 3, 6 and 10 pins. Only needed two to get 200. The shot looked good, thought I'd hit the 3-6 pocket, easy 200. But no, took out the 6 and nothing else.
We laughed, another guy bought me a beer and we had a good time. I wasn't sure if I was cursed or not.
Good times.
This video totally blew my mind.
Ima be "that guy" but Brandon Novak is a Columbus legend. I just bowled against him in league tonight. He makes it look so effortless. We won game one, but lost games 2 and 3. His team is amazing.
I’ve bowled against him too! Guy’s a beast!! Him and my Uncle Tommy usually are some of the top contenders for the Portsmouth City Tournament every year, I’m nowhere as good as them haha. Last tournament I got to watch him bowl and he absolutely swept the field. Man’s a beast, and he makes it look too easy at times lol
He is very good. I’ve bowled against him several times. He’s a very nice guy as well. Very down to earth
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From my hometown. I remember hearing them yell over the loudspeaker at Shawnee Lanes him throwing a 300.
Bowled against him one time up at Stardust ~2 or 3 years ago but have seen him a ton. I still remember the first time I saw his approach and swing, just thinking wtf did I just watch that was amazing lol.
I laughed so hard I couldn’t breathe. I really needed that, thank you for making this video!
This video reminds me of my late, great-aunt Elizabeth Read. She was a wonderful bowling instructor, but her first shot was always very slow and on the wrong side of the headpin. I never knew whether to laugh or cry when she outscored me.
I've seen a lot of interesting techniques from people I used to be in leagues with, but those two that looked like basketball players making a bounce pass just broke my brain
Yeah, I have no idea how they have any power at all with that, much less control. I understand how they put the spin on, but everything else is just bizarro.
I will never be able to see bowling the same way I do again.
I found this video to be very inspiring actually. Makes me want to bowl again.
I grew up in a bowling alley and had lots of good memories and met some great friends that i still talk with today
Just hearing Chris Schenkel on those first bowlers took me way back. Thank You. 🎳
You missed the greatest of all time, Big Ern McCracken. The way he'd hold the ball with just his right hand while using his left like an outrigger for balance was next lvl. And what a philanthropist.
My dad bowls in the same league as Brandon Novak when he’s not on tour and the dude averages close to 240 on a house shot
Some amazing approaches and ball releases!!!
Some of those bowling styles looks like a lot of work. Whew!!!!
I cant believe how far this video came. Almost my most viewed video.
Where do you get these clips?
Sweet!
how bout now?
*has come
Jh223, My curiosity question I've had for years is: Why does it seem only women throw a "Back up Ball" ,a CW rotation instead the natural CCW? Even Left handed women throw "Back up Ball" opposite natural rotation.
I would love to see a tournament where the pros had to alternate first shots between a rubber and plastic bowling ball! That would be very fun to watch.
I like watching this because sometimes I’ve bowled the style most are accustomed to, but sometimes i don’t do it and i still hit strikes. Sometimes i feel like I’m doing it wrong, but seeing this, i gotta make my own style of throwing
The algorithm brought me here, it would be interesting to hear a kinesiologist analyse these different techniques.
Many of these approaches are fine, but you can tell why a lot of them haven't been widely adopted. The main sticking points some of these releases are: ergonomics, complexity (complexity tends to decrease consistency), ability to control/change speed, and accuracy, particularly being able to hit your targets down-lane.
True… but we can’t pretend that Jakob Buttruff kid’s release isn’t a broken wrist in waiting. He shouldn’t have survived more then 3 frames with that release
@@iitstre_4550 Whats more perplexing is how Butturff is pronounced Butt-truff. lmao
Lowest score on PBA Telecast is an even 100. There was a bit of suspense if 100 would be reached. Don't know if unorthodox, but Robert Lawrence of the PBA could bowl left or right handed. I believe he shot 800 from either hand as well. At one time, he fell through a skylight on his roof, messed up his right shoulder, and continued bowling PBA events left handed, until his right shoulder was healed up.
Mark Roth could bowl left handed.
I used to do a 3 or 5 step approach that would take up the entire approach, cross it, and fire a 16 lb ball. I miss bowling.
Big Ern with the arm out wide slow approach is my favorite.
When I was about 9 I bowled and kept the holes facing up the entire time so my hand always had the knuckles up and I would just aim it down the middle and had no curve at all and it would start off with backspin and it would either have no spin when it got to the pins or slight forward spin. I did this because I got tired of bowling gutter balls and could not control the hook.
I did not get very many gutter balls after that and I was pretty good at keeping it in a straight line.
Trade off was I got lots and lots of splits but those made me less angry than a gutter ball.
That's exactly how I bowl.
Wrong foot Louie, was very good. He was a Bochie yard bowler in Italy, so he kept the same delivery and it worked.
Good stuff, glad to see Novak. Wondered if Daugherty or Smallwood would make this sort of cut. Or Roger Bowker
Roger Bowker has an unorthodox style as well. When he puts his fingers into his ball (right handed), he then extends his arm outwards (in front of him) while holding it with one hand and starts swinging like that.
I've been bowling for over 50 years in leagues and I haven't seen some of these styles. I don't care what style you have, it's the Pin Count that matters.
I mean, hey, if it works...
Dude that last guys style is hilarious looking haha!
Tim Cagle literally runs at the line and goes YEET!
Campangle looks like he's having a stroke out there. lol And Butturff looks like a dog's breakfast approaching the line but he's a tremendous bowler. Don't know how these guys do it, but results don't lie.
Lot of games against Bobby in my past. When the dude is on, he's unstoppable. Usually took me 260+ to beat him in match play. Wasn't expecting to see him in my YT recommended.
Campegnale is one of my road bros. He's the king of the thin hit.
@@josephsmith5184 does he still leave 1 greek church every 2 games like he did back at Empire?
@@alinevenorion5106 everywhere else not too much. Once in a great while but not like at empire.
@@josephsmith5184 I'ma reply to this comment if I'm ever back out west so I can roll him again lmao
There's a Japanese female bowler with an unusual style. She's tall and starts off taking 2 steps forward then comes to a complete stop, pushes the ball forward then down and back all the way up way above her head to the 12 o'clock position before it comes down and releases. Very high ball speed and very little hook! When I first saw her I thought, WTF 😜 Surname of Nishimura I think
Decided to check this and found exactly what you were talking about ua-cam.com/video/Pe-qTxlrpa0/v-deo.html
So she just like Wayne Garber
Oh I think you meant Miki Nishimura
She's cute too. I didnt really find it that odd because she has good rhythm, despite the seeming pause. A lot of great golfers with unorthodox swings had great rhythm and timing.
I heard that she was suspended from bowling....
I didn't expect these to be so crazy!!
Back then bowling got many throwing style which is hella cool😂😂
I’ve bowled like loui campi my entire life and until I was a late teenager never knew it was wrong (I’ve always been pretty good at bowling, the highest I’ve bowled is a 204
That's Chris Shenkle commentating on the first couple vids...👍
Legend. Will always be the voice of bowling for me.
It’s really cool when Bowling players creates their own style / throw
I can’t help but think of 1960’s comedian Jackie Vernon. He’d come on stage, blow one note on his trumpet and say, “I think I hurt myself!” 😂
I use to bowl started when I was 11 and stopped when I was 38 I use to bowl back up and was told I would never be a good bowler had a high game of 266 and finished with a 192 average which I was happy with this also includes stopping for 2 years to have a major back operation to have a rib out and bone graph of the hip and a 6" titanium rod put against my spine.
I'm still trying to figure out what Jeff Roche is doing that is considered to be unorthodox. Looks like a regular approach to me.
I learned how to bowl from my dad, who's a lefty; since I'm a righty, I ended up with a form exactly like Lou Campi. I've been bowling like that for almost 25 years now, so learning to bowl "properly" would probably be tough at this point.
Most of the silly unorthodox mess is very inconsistent, but it’s still funny to watch an I like a laugh. Thanks for the great video.
Any chance you can add Scott Devers. He needs to be on the list.
He had a figure 8 ball swing but everything was back in line at the release point. Ron Williams was the other one I always remember but it worked for him.
I recently learned that 2-handed bowling techniques really only started to appear at the competitive level around 2009. It would be interesting to see how that technique evolved in recent years to become such a mainstream throw.
2 handed seems so natural for me. I'm surprised it's not more popular.
Basically, Jason Belmonte achieved a lot of success with two-handed bowling. If he hadn't, we wouldn't see that many two-handed bowlers now
Man, growing up early 2000's I don't remember anyone bowling two handed. I always thought the holes were there to spin the ball. Also, my uncle used only a pinky in the thumb hole.
Those backwards bowlers are insane! But the craziest ones are the two-handed-drop-the-ball-with-tons-of-spin bowlers. They look so herky-jerky that it's hard to believe they can be consistent with that style. Belmonte's two handed style (and the other two handers I've seen on the pro tour) are very smooth in their technique...
I saw butters (Jakob Butturff) in person at the pba. It was really cool seeing his style.
6:13 Is that not Triple Hs music just when he is about to do the water spit?
Jeff Roche is still doing it like that! And striking a lot
So I tried out the Matt Jones technique and to my surprise it complemented my already two hand bowling style. Nothing but strikes. Although rolling like that gives you an feeling of an incomplete roll, kind of like you’re missing somwthing.
Pretty impressive!! I was waiting for an old school power granny roll😂
I bowled against Jim Cripps several weeks ago and was taken back by his unorthodox style. Even asked a teammate if it was legal. Oops.
Would love to have seen footage of one of the Asian helicopter spinners. The physics of that being successful makes my head hurt.
I never bowled seriously but when I was a kid I liked to go fingers first to give it a back spin, seemed to knock more pins down that way.
I used to bowl like the first guy, finishing on the right leg before the delivery. Everyone told me I was doing it wrong, but it worked for me. My best game was a 240.😂
I just watched Brandon Novak bowl a 300 game at a local tournament. I couldn't figure out how he doesn't injure himself.
I wonder if he played baseball as a kid, almost looks like he's winding up for a pitch.
Some of these you can figure how the style got started: odd timing, Novak's steering, the wrong foot. I cannot even imagine how you get to Butturff's delivery - even though he seems like a good guy, I would worry about anyone trying to emulate that approach.
Jacob is like quad jointed in his wrist
@@GrantSweatshirt Have to hook a ball a lot to score on some lane conditions. In the 90s, I taught myself to bowl with my thumb out (one handed) to get the revs I needed. I could also bowl traditional if that was a better shot for the lanes. I could take 4 balls to a tournament and it was like having 8 bowling balls. With the recent rule change, I now have to have separate balls for bowling thumb in or thumb out.
He looks like he's bowling on ice.
Awesome video and thank you for sharing 😂😂👍❤
I have never seen anyone else bowl the way that feels natural to me. I am right handed, end my approach on my left foot, and the ball ends up with a slight clockwise spin.
I never kept close track of my average, but it was probably around 170 at best. I probably haven't bowled 10 games in the last 10 years.
I hope giant-ass names on jerseys (like in the first clip) make a comeback
Pretty cool jerseys back then
Mike Lichstein. Won the High Roller Tournament at the age of 18 or 19 in 1988. He's the human pretzel. Probably one of the best lefties ever to never have a PBA card even though his dad Larry did. He still bowls and has 31 N.E.B.A titles. New England Bowlers Association.
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Literally the first person that came to mind when I started watching this video.
i know this video is a year old but i just saw it, i use to bowl with lichstein on the jbt, well he was a bit older and way better than me but we were all friendly. anyhow i cant beleive he wasnt in there.
@@kenwood5535 I once subbed on his Friday night team at Riverdale Lanes 30 years ago.
This is the craziest thing I've seen 😂
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