I always felt the bigger reason for AEW Decline wasn't Punk leaving it was when Cody left you can see Cody was the glue that held that place together and since his departure you can see the obvious Decline in AEW as a company Punk's Departure just sped up that Decline
That’s a good point. Cody’s departure had a bigger and more profound impact on the internal part of the company, while Punk’s departure hurt them in the viewership. I can’t imagine where they’d be today if they managed to keep both.
Punk is having the feud of the year while every metric of popularity has AEW declining and they need to use needles to get a reaction. Pretty obvious who won here lol.
It's really crazy how everything has unfolded in the last year. A bridge rebuilt, Punk serving as a top merch seller and involved in one of the hottest feuds in wrestling, and he spent a good chunk of it injured.
Last leg of Vince running WWE gave AEW a much needed momentum because it’s fresh and new. But as soon as triple H took over it slowly transitioned into something better, couple that with Cody returning, the storylines are better, and best of all NO WEDDING SEGMENTS, they’ve been steadily getting viewers back slowly ditching the PG era. Meanwhile AEW seems random and the storylines are confusing.
To this day I still don’t know what baffles me more. That somebody even came up with the idea of releasing the security footage or that at least one other person thought it was a great idea to greenlight it. I mean.. seriously. What did they think they could prove or gain by doing that?! That has to be the most nonsensical insane decision in wrestling since Schiavone spoiling Mankind vs Rock. 🤦🏻♂️
I agree. Airing that video footage in the long run will go down as maybe the biggest backfire in wrestling since Tony Schiavone spoiled the Rock vs Mankind Reuslt. It was a incredibly dumb decision that anyone with any sense could see it was a bad idea. All it fucking achieve besides making AEW look petty and immature, was basically showing Punk was telling the truth.
Just seems so desperate at this point... Like punk has gone on an interview to tell his story and ii didn't put them in a good light but if they legitimately have a good reason they could've just come out and told their story... Instead they went ahead and released the footage proving him right... I mean I think we can clearly see how much they have to say and who's speaking the truth here
@@yankees512417 The wrestling business is a funny place. These locker room conflicts happen, and sometimes it gets physical. But in the end, it’s up to management to put a stop to it, which is what happened with the suspensions. As for the Bucks, I get the inkling that they have a friendship with Tony that exceeds any reasoning to logic.
@ShawnTalksWrestling my issue is as an executive of a company, you should be held to a higher standard than the rest of the boys. They knew what they were doing barging into punks locker room 3 on 1. Especially with the fucking head of legal in tow
AEW were the ones who pushed their biggest draw away over rumors and bs. Then TK didn’t have the balls to fire Jack Perry or punish Hangman . He didn’t wanna be a boss and the relationship with punk ended in a horrible way.
Hangman going into business for himself on live tv screwed everything up for them lmaoo. All because Colt Cabana was out of the company even tho it was Tony khan who didn’t want him in the company and the only reason he was because of a favor. Punk was even afraid Hangman was going to hurt him in the match. So if he u think about it it’s all Hangman’s fault 🤣🤣
Hangman Pages promo will go down as the biggest long term butterfly Effect in modern day wrestling history. It will also go down as the exact moment the company goes to shit and never recovered.
Yeah in a business where the most important part is trusting ur life and safety on ur partner... Acts like what hangman did is betrayal in the highest order... If u can't trust them in even following a promo how much of ur own life can u trust
@@wingerding AEW is basically Dixie Carter’s TNA without the charisma or talent. AEW won’t survive with a roster full of overpaid, overrated indie guys who don’t care about the long term success of the company and actively drive away guys who do care AND can draw money.
The sad part is there used to be some really great and high quality stuff on AEW. The feud between Punk and MJF was absolutely unbelievable, but it seems like AEW is more focused on catering to a small niche audience rather than trying to make the type of content that will grab a bigger audience. At this point AEW TV with the stupid Moxley plastic bag suffocation assassination attempt has become a parody of itself and essentially a billionare trust fund kid's death match youtube promotion.
I agree. I went back to re-watch some of the Punk stuff, whether it was promos or matches, and the overall feel of the production quality and audience interaction just felt so different. It's a shame to see what it has become as of late.
@@gustylikewind4006 You can be an alternative with different stuff without trying to re-invent the wheel. There are certain core wrestling mechanics and storyline foundations that are as old as time. Not a WWE branded thing in anyway, I am not expecting or wanting AEW to be WWE lite, but you don't have to go on the polar opposite side of WWE's presentation to be viewed as an alternative.
@@imbroskiii3 But you said they shouldn’t cater to a niche audience, but that’s the exact point of AEW. To cater to hardcore fans of professional wrestling. WWE is catering to everyone. Both are good. But if AEW tried to cater to a wider audience it wouldn’t be AEW anymore.
Pretty easy to see who won. Look where Punk is at being a top merch seller and in the hottest feud all the while he will likely headline a night of Wrestlemania. Now look where AEW is at with them declining in every metric and area and having record low ratings. It's pretty clear to see who won this.
The WWE won with bringing him back, especially with merch sales, but Punk is the biggest winner out of this. Rebuilding a bridge that was burnt to a crisp, looking the happiest he's looked in over a decade, and being involved in one of the best stories of 2024 is certainly something we didn't see coming.
To me it's punk not only does he seem happy but everything aew has been doing with the elite is literally built off of him. Punk is living in there head's
punk trolling is subtle maybe a sentence in a ptomo or a photo on his insta story aew on the other hand dedicating everything to him even made a dynatime with build being "releasing punk shoot footage" the whole reason taco jack STILL has a job is cause of punk. aew's and stans are just the crazy ex acting out whenever he breathes,punk's just enjoying his life.
@@ShawnTalksWrestling Who The Plumber? You know his new gimmick is based around a movie about a Nazi right? That’s why I’m hoping Nigel beats Danielson. I’m gonna miss Bryan Danielson, but not as much as I’m gonna miss John Cena! One is my favorite wrestle of all time and the other one was my favorite wrestler in 2014!
all this could have been stopped if tony khan stepped up as boss, just imagine the generational fueds cm punk , the elite , hangman and jack perry could have after the backstge altercations.. those fueds wouldve have made aew so much money and it would have brought so much viewership and new fans to aew, its sad to see such generational oppurtunity misses
CM Punk did not start the second backstage fight that was Jack Perry I still do not understand how come Jack Perry never got fired for that something that he did this just proves AEW is showing the favoritism in that company how would you guys handle that? Who would you guys get rid of if something like that happened in front of you if you were in charge?
In the grand scope, it was Punk who approached Perry backstage, and Punk was the first to get physical. While all of it started with a civil discussion, which led to the "real glass" line, Perry hadn't been confrontational with Punk up until their face-to-face. I still agree that someone in charge could have de-escalated the situation before it got out of hand.
@ShawnTalksWrestling Yeah, but they did in front of Tony. They should have told them to stop let it go. We talked about it next week right now in the middle of a show Tony didn't do anything. Just let it happen if Joe wasn't there, I think that fight would have been bad, and Tony needs to think Joe to convince him to put on the match with punk. I should think Jack Perry should have been let go instead of punk Cause Perry was trying to do this angle, and everyone was telling him. No, how come? No one told Tony about his angle he wanted to do. I'm pretty sure Tony would tell him no as well, and I think Tony would have told Perry to talk to punk about it as well.
@@ShawnTalksWrestlingI mean it was an act of cowardice all things considered... Play nice in front of them and then as soon as they turn their backs, insult them on live TV in front of everyone... Same thing hangman did... The face to face confrontation after that was warranted and the physical altercation was the most normal thing anyone would ever do at that point
I don't think they can legally do that but just the bag with the shape of the title still inside it being dumped into the bin would be a more plausible outcome and still be hella entertaining
You’re very well spoken, and I love how much thought you’ve put into what you’re saying. As a huge Punk fan, this video was an absolute joy to watch. Looking forward to your future content!
Cody Rhodes CM Punk Jon Moxley and Kenny omega made AEW now that Cody and Punk are bck in WWE and Kenny omega is out on sidelines Adam Copeland injured Adam Cole injured AEW has fell down even with the NJPW and ROH DEALS TNA is getting better only ones holding the company is Bryan danielsion swerve Strickland Adam page Darby Allin and Jon moxley but wit the backstage footage made my other GOAT PUNK get more notoriety And AEW screwed AEW
I think MJF always being away hurts their brand. He's one of the best heels in wrestling and a ratings draw, but it doesn't help to have him come back for a few months and disappear again, either due to injury or some other reason.
@@ShawnTalksWrestling fax MJF is the CM punk of their company even his feud with CM punk was one of the best views in AEW matter fact, best Feuds in wrestling his reign is AEW world champion, Ring of honor world, tag team, champion, AEW international champion even his CzW/mlw stint was good He’s already a house hold name.
Good video new here to the channel. This is really informative. I actually said to some aew fans who said I was hating on aew and talking down on Punk. I reminded them he built up more of their fan base. But after all the incidents he had and was released and living rent free in aew heads its hurts their viewership. Along with a lot of the booking decisions and topics they make into matches
Agreed with pretty much everything. I think there's also the issue of too many cooks in the kitchen and ideas being greenlit without putting much thought into them. Some hit, many more miss.
@@ralphso5567 they do . They sound like ricochet when he got all upset with that fan on X. Their defense is your a hater no I have an opinion and your soft
i think there is no denying in that punk leaving hurt AEW, but that should not be the question. The question should be would the alternative be better. Keeping are removing punk were both bad decisions at the time. i think while short term kicking punk is bad. The long term negative impact of keeping punk despite what he has said and done would turn the locker room toxic. Shit happened, and both outcomes suck. Another question on AEW ratings are how much are they affected by punk, by the quality of the competition (which certainly improved a lot in the last 1.5 years) By the quality of the show , and by the received quality of the show. In the last few months, a lot of people keep shit talking AEW television because they want to, not because they even remotely watched the show. Like the worst period of AEW which I'd say was around December January of 23/24 was still like miles better than WWE has been for years. At least as far as dynamite is concerned . Turn into a random dynamite during the darkest period, and you'll still see a perfectly fine TV show (if you look at cage match rating for dynamite for example, only one episode in 2024 was sub 6.0) . A lot of Dynamite Viewership was dude to the lack of quality of WWE from. Like 16-2021, some people may have forgotten how absolutely horrible raw was for a couple of years. Now that WWE is good again at being WWE television, lots of people switched back to it. Especially considering that WWE and AEW are very different shows. Which is great, i love having two high production value TV shows that feel different. I'd say the worst part of the whole cm punk story was that long term it spawned rampage and collision. 3 hours were fine, but now AEW needs to fill 5 hours of television each week. That, adding ROH to the mix. The worst thing AEW did the last 2 years was nothing booking related, it was simply way to much television. Wrestling fans feels like a full-time job in 2024 raw smackdown and dynamite are all really good shows these days. nxt is also decent. as is collision, but you can't watch everything and if you feel like you can't follow AEW any more sine you can't spend 5 hours and only watching dynamite give you an incomplete experience I can totally see why you cut out AEW from you schedule.
First, thank you so much for this great comment! Lots of great points made. To respond to that last part specifically, I remember back in 2017 I had reached a burn out from wrestling. Three hours of Raw, one hour of NXT (which at the time was probably my favourite wrestling show of the week), and another two hours of SmackDown. To boot, most of it felt like a chore to watch, to the point that I had to take a mini hiatus. I can see AEW going in the same direction, and the drop in viewership certainly suggests that it's a possibility.
I have to object to using Cagematch as a quality metric, I looked it up and on average less than 200 people cast their vote for the shows. That's an extremely low number and you can't base the quality of a product around that. Wrestlenomics has a chart to display total viewership and you can see a continuous decline from October 2023 to now, can you really say that shows are good with that track record?
I was on the AEW hype train in 2019 during the early days and stopped watching wrestling ( aside from the ppvs ) all together during Covid due to both companies being dog shit. Cm punk brought me back to AEW and I saw what the product had turned into so punk and mjf were the only two reasons I watched. Then him going back to wwe for me back to watching them weekly and I’ve been back in love with wwe since due to the better booking ( not 100% better ) but Tony khan is holding AEW back due to him being the nice guy and never putting his foot down on anybody
Easy engagement. Love how every response you have with regurgitated takes with everyone that’s so one-sided was written with so much giddy since the narrative of anti-AEW pays. I’m pretty sure this will make you one of the credible pro wrestling content creators. Good luck in your deep dives for WWE’s products!
Say what you want about punk but once he left AEW that was the downfall of Aew y’all can hate him all you want and you don’t have to believe it just look at the numbers on television the arena’s even Tony khan was upset punk left cause he knew if he goes to wwe they will be on fire and look at them now
WWE was already catching fire before Punk arrived, which was also hurting AEW's product. What made AEW so appealing five years ago was that they were not only an alternative, they were putting out something that wasn't stale like the WWE was at the time. Not that the WWE product is refreshing and has tons of hot storylines going, AEW is struggling big time.
I'm amazed Jack Perry turned this into what he did, but I think he got a lot of help by an aew Fandom that feels like they wanna pull together while things are down. Otherwise I can't really explain it. But still, good for him for finding a way. But punk won. As did anyone who watches wwe or both brands.
When it comes to punk being in wwe again its better for him as a wrestler in wwe compared to Aew. He has gotten less injuries back in wwe and people are a bit more mature in wwe compared to Aew leading to less friction.
Who cares? They couldn't do business and Punk used his transitional exposure in AEW to end up back in WWE, which was his goal from the start. His pride and ego would have never allowed Phil Brooks to go directly back to WWE after how he left the company. So he used AEW as a buffer for his WWE return. He just found a way to get there sooner than he'd expected by making himself hard to work with. AEW is doing its thing and Punk is doing his. People give Phil way too much credit for being more than just another personality in the wrestling business.
If anything all this only made Cm Punk more legendary. Makes this fire by killswitch engage fit him better now than ever before too so there's a plus. EVEN THROUGH THE DARKEST DAYS THIS FIRE BURNS ALWAYS! 🗣️🔥✖️
I think both themes fit him well but I think cult of personality is just an absolute perfect fit... With how much of a controversial figure he is fits the comparison to people like Mussolini, Kennedy, Stalin, and Gandhi... Both the good sides and the bad sides And with how outspoken he is, lines like "when a leader speaks, that leader dies" is like when he's villainised by a part of the community for speaking out or "when the mirror speaks, the reflection lies" the mirror being the truth spoken and the reflection being the 2nd hand news and rumours twisting the story to start drama and "u don't have to follow me, only u can set me free" is like how his fanbase will follow him despite everything and how he's raised to mega stardom because of it It's as if the song was written for punk
Disagree. CM Punk coming back to Tripe H's WWE was Hell freezing over people still find it surreal he's back in WWE let alone he mended bridges fully with hbk and trips. but at AEW people got used to it quickly cuz there's a difference between returning to the indies and returning to WWE.
The positive reaction and support from fans after CM Punk assault of Jack Perry would not have happened anywhere else. If wrestling was a real sport like the football by the NFL and basketball by the NBA, then there would have a been a different reaction. The media would have criticized Punk for assaulting a coworker. His actions were disgusting and should not be cheered. I think AEW has lost so many viewers is due to the bad booking and storytelling for most of the company. They need to return to long term booking and signing young stars for the future.
Between the two (Punk and AEW), Punk has the upper hand just by being happy in his new environment and succeeding. I think the WWE benefits the most though, as they are raking in the money in merch alone, not to mention an uptick in viewership.
For me it proved that AEW was banking too much on Punk and older WWE talent when they should've been pushing their own AEW talent. And theyre doing the same mistake again with Mercedes Mone! Shes been burying the AEW originals and her personality is no different from when she was Sasha Banks in WWE! I thought she would've changed it up in AEW a bit! If one person they got it right with so far is Christian Cage! Hes the ultra heel we never got in WWE and TNA and he gets the AEW talent over
If anything, I think they've turned Sasha Banks' heel character into more of an annoyance than anything. Christian Cage is a major exception, he's in his element when he's the bad guy, and we've seen that now in three different companies.
@@ShawnTalksWrestling I can't find it to give you the details of where I got it, I'm sorry for that but yeah something happened at All in or whatever the last PPV was for AEW. If I am wrong, I do sincerely apologize.
Combination of a few things, but overall it's easier to maintain a higher average on a two-hour show compared to a three-hour show. That plus the Bloodline taking center stage for most of the timespan really helped.
Then why is AEW doing worst business now then when they started off? No one expects AEW to outgun wwe but by the same token, AEW should be doing better now then they were before hand. That's a red flag
Punk bought credibility, experience, new fans to the product..If he had problems..They should have been properly addressed which Tony Khan didn't..Simple.. Forget the horrible ratings..Aews product is horrible to watch..
My opinion Punk really didn't do much in Aew he was off injured more than he was there I m so happy Punk isn't in Aew they are doing so much better with him but Aew could even do more if they get the Tag Team titles away from the Young Bucks and get the Tag Team division back on track
Punk was a big star before all of this happened and is STILL a big star. "Jungle" Jack Perry was a mid-carder before all of this happened and is now one of the most talked-about stars in AEW and recently main evented a PPV against The World Champ. Who came out on top beteen Punk and Perry? I'd say Perry is the one who's stock rose the highest. As for who came out on top between WWE and AEW? I'd have to say the numbers speak for themselves. WWE.
My one internal question that I have is this: If Punk never joins AEW and goes through what he did, does that door open back to the WWE? It's something I've wondered about for quite some time now. I'm in agreement with you on the two winners. I don't think Punk had much to gain, other than his way back to WWE, but Perry turned his career around and is now elevated to a higher position on the roster. WWE definitely won between the two companies, as the numbers indicate as much.
You can push Jungle Jack but he’s not a real main event talent. He could be controversial but not captivating. He simply has no charisma. Also they moved so late with the whole work shoot angle.
@@bashamd96 I like what Perry brings to the table. They don't call him one of the "Pillars Of AEW" for nothing. He's been putting on stellar performances since his arrival at the start of AEW.
i'm still glad that Punk was in AEW for a year, I loved his feuds. However, without Punk it feels like pre Punk AEW, which was the best. Although I rarely watch wrestling now, I never miss MJF and Ospreay matches.
I don't know... Punk in AEW had a real different vibe to it. I went back to watch his promos and matches, and the atmosphere in the arena was just a different feel compared to what it is now.
Personally, I wasn't a fan of Punk's AEW run. It felt very artificial as for his supposed love of wrestling had a 7 year gap between his last WWE match and first AEW match. Not to mention anyone with a pair of eyes and knowledge of his history making the same connections about Colt Cabana. If he was a heel, I would have felt better about it. I still don't trust Punk in WWE, but so far nothing major has happened as far as we know. And the feud with Drew/Seth/Punk is storyline gold. I still side with AEW on the Punk situation (except about airing the actual footage), but if they could have just gotten someone who could have kept the peace AEW would probably be doing much better now.
What makes punk a bigger star than Jericho or Cody? You do know that literally every championship run punk had in WWE lost ratings, right? There's actually a video on UA-cam called "Punk's career drawing power" and it shows how the ratings actually went down with punk as champion in ECW, and on Raw and SmackDown. Then the guy was a ghost to the business for 7 years, embarrassed himself in UFC, had a role in a movie no one watched and drew comic books no one bought. Punk didn't draw until he came back to wrestling in 2021.
@@bashamd96 Not even remotely true. Even if it was, he's still a bigger star than punk. Punk has been irrelevant for the last 10 years, and only became relevant by starting fights in the locker room and crying about Colt Cabana. The guy doesn't even care about wrestling, he only came back to make a payday off of that mark Tony Khan. The dude has no integrity.
@platinumpagoda3079 Man, you're trying way too hard to get a reaction from me. Here's a tip I hate Punk, so burying him gets the same reaction as saying Benoit did terrible things
I think you're attributing too much influence to Punk in the ratings. When Raw dropped 200k in 2023 Q4, so did smackdown and this was during a very hot bloodline story. Saying that RAW gained 300k in 2024 Q1 with a Punk that barely made apperances seems to force the argument too much trying to fit it into a narrative On AEW ratings; June 2022 he, underwent surgery and was out for 9 months post press-conference, ratings 2022 Q3 were still 1 million, 2023 Q1-Q2 still kept consistent with the numbers in 2022 Q2 with him being gone, the needle didn't move at all, following your logic the ratings should've dropped massively. On AEW Collision ratings; Punk was in collision in his last 2 months, the ratings went from a 800k debut all the way down to low 400k's weekly around the time he left, and it pretty much ranged around 350-400k average for months. So a large percentage of the viewership in collision had already bled during the time Punk was there, if this massive drop happened with him in the show i don't think you can explain the entire collision ratings loss on Punk leaving since the largest percentage happened with him being featured on the show
Nah fam. It’s no good having a draw like punk if no one in the locker room is happy. And no one wants to work with him. And that’s why he was let go. Both times. Punk is a different person today,l then he was then. But you can’t keep someone like that in your stable. Punk can’t carry an entire company without people to wrestle.
By "good" you mean consistently drawing under a million viewers for their main show, considerably less for their B & C shows, 30,000 less in attendance for All In 2024 All In than All In 2023, making Swerve a glorified paper champion, pushing Daniel Garcia harder than Wardlow, and poorly booking an extremely overpaid Okada? And "good riddance" to the guy that gave AEW their first million dollar gate? There's nothing wrong with favoring AEW over WWE, but you can't throw reality out the window over it. Danielson winning the title was legitimately the best moment on ANY AEW program in over a year, and even though I've read people crap on the cage match between Hangman & Swerve or it being "too violent" not only do I find the "violence" appropriate, WWE should take notes and implement more violence into the upcoming HIAC match between Punk & McIntyre: Blood & graphic violence will ALWAYS have a place in wrestling when they're used in the right fueds, during the right matches, using the right talent, for the right reasons (sparingly). If the rumors of Shane doing some kind of invasion angle, I'll tune in, but other than that, AEW is putting out the absolute worst product in their 5 year history.
They need to quit revolving around the Bucks and Perry they are not good MJF and will osprey are good and are on another level than everyone else in AEW the Bucks wouldn’t get past NXT in WWE
Punk got shown for what he was. He has gone back to WWE cap in hand and has continued to wrestle on average 3 matches before getting injured. I think one of the wwe wrestlers said punk has a weak body and a weak mind
@@robertclark5936 That was Moxley. I do think Punk has had his fair share of bad luck over the years, whether it was injuring his foot after jumping into the crowd, or freak accidents like his tricep tears.
The AEW fans won. I was not happy when he showed up. Happy as hell he went back to kids wrestling. That's where he belongs, with his saturday morning cartoon tattoos
@jamiek9780 Coping? Lol I'm happily living. I'm sorry that's where your mind went. Psychological sign that coping is just what your are most familiar with. Much like Punk in UFC, AEW, or hell, anywhere Punk has been that had a fan base of people that can see him for what he truly is, not what they've been told to see him as. I will not apologize for rational thought
@@Richard-w7l9m the funny part is you can’t tell that you’re literally coping right now 🤣 I haven’t even said my opinion on the guy, and that little comment is all it took to get you all triggered. The dude lives in your head rent free. Move on already lmao. When you’re throwing around personal insults like that, it’s a clear sign that he’s under your skin. Write me another angry reply, this is funny
@jamiek9780 Said that to you so many comments ago. You simply don't understandand keep going. Never insulted you. Stated facts. Somehow you missed that as well. Obviously, an intelligent exchange of information is beyond you. Therefore, Goodbye big fella. P.S.- getting triggered is an invention of this generation. The rest of us deal with life and move on, like I'm doing... again.
@@Richard-w7l9m “Stating facts”, none of what you said was facts, it’s your opinion. If you want to talk facts we could have talked about AEW’s sharp drop in ratings, their first million dollar gate off Punk’s name, or the fact that he’s spearheading WWE’s top feud that’s outperforming and selling everything on AEW. But of course, people like you tuck tail and run whenever you get checked at the door. I figured you’d run along when you’re checkmated. Watch you backpedal and come crawling back. You already waved the white flag little bro 😅 go ahead, write me a comment. Dance monkey 🕺
I always felt the bigger reason for AEW Decline wasn't Punk leaving it was when Cody left you can see Cody was the glue that held that place together and since his departure you can see the obvious Decline in AEW as a company Punk's Departure just sped up that Decline
That’s a good point. Cody’s departure had a bigger and more profound impact on the internal part of the company, while Punk’s departure hurt them in the viewership. I can’t imagine where they’d be today if they managed to keep both.
CODY WAS ESSENTIALLY THE GUY RUNNING THE BACKSTAGE FROM GOING SOUTH. Cody left amd drama started
You,re right Punks departure is not the reason for the decline but it's the symbol
It was declining, but when punk left, it started free falling
I think both having been in the WWE at one point, they saw the issues in AEW. Then remembered that not even WWE was that bad.
The day they fired punk was the day that I was out, I think a good amount of people were the same
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Yeah, it started the domino effect that made me unable to support them anymore.
@@Hellwolf36fax
No cap but I’m happy PUNk went bck to WWE
Only reason I'll ever watch any aew is Jamie Hayter god I hope she goes to wwe
Punk is having the feud of the year while every metric of popularity has AEW declining and they need to use needles to get a reaction. Pretty obvious who won here lol.
It's really crazy how everything has unfolded in the last year. A bridge rebuilt, Punk serving as a top merch seller and involved in one of the hottest feuds in wrestling, and he spent a good chunk of it injured.
@@HurricaneTBag You do understand the irony of you pitching about needles being used while at the same time praising the WWE?
You kids are clueless.
@@ShawnTalksWrestling Just goes to show the ignorant sheep mentality of WWE fans.
@@Richard-w7l9mI’ll bite. What’s the irony here?
@_Mista_X Look up the WWE steroids scandal. I'll wait....
Last leg of Vince running WWE gave AEW a much needed momentum because it’s fresh and new. But as soon as triple H took over it slowly transitioned into something better, couple that with Cody returning, the storylines are better, and best of all NO WEDDING SEGMENTS, they’ve been steadily getting viewers back slowly ditching the PG era. Meanwhile AEW seems random and the storylines are confusing.
To this day I still don’t know what baffles me more. That somebody even came up with the idea of releasing the security footage or that at least one other person thought it was a great idea to greenlight it.
I mean.. seriously. What did they think they could prove or gain by doing that?! That has to be the most nonsensical insane decision in wrestling since Schiavone spoiling Mankind vs Rock. 🤦🏻♂️
Tony has shown to have questionable reasoning, and I'll let you draw your own conclusions as to why that is.
I'm with you on this. I didn't get it before the footage was released, and I got it a whole lot less afterwards. It made no sense to me.
I agree. Airing that video footage in the long run will go down as maybe the biggest backfire in wrestling since Tony Schiavone spoiled the Rock vs Mankind Reuslt. It was a incredibly dumb decision that anyone with any sense could see it was a bad idea.
All it fucking achieve besides making AEW look petty and immature, was basically showing Punk was telling the truth.
Just seems so desperate at this point... Like punk has gone on an interview to tell his story and ii didn't put them in a good light but if they legitimately have a good reason they could've just come out and told their story... Instead they went ahead and released the footage proving him right... I mean I think we can clearly see how much they have to say and who's speaking the truth here
How the fuck the elite put hands on an employee as an executive and were not either removed from power, or fired baffles me.
@@yankees512417 The wrestling business is a funny place. These locker room conflicts happen, and sometimes it gets physical. But in the end, it’s up to management to put a stop to it, which is what happened with the suspensions.
As for the Bucks, I get the inkling that they have a friendship with Tony that exceeds any reasoning to logic.
@ShawnTalksWrestling my issue is as an executive of a company, you should be held to a higher standard than the rest of the boys. They knew what they were doing barging into punks locker room 3 on 1. Especially with the fucking head of legal in tow
@@yankees512417 No argument here, they definitely need to be held to a higher standard. I just don’t believe they’ll ever be held to that standard.
@@ShawnTalksWrestling not unless Tony miraculously grows a backbone or shad starts cutting off his allowance
By all accounts, Punk threw the first blow. What would you do if 3 dudes stormed into your locker room? Assume they came there to talk?
The only thing jim cornette was wrong about when punk got fired was saying that sometimes the bad guys win
He's right in a way - AEW won by getting what they wanted. In the grand scheme of things, they've lost way more after the firing of Punk.
AEW were the ones who pushed their biggest draw away over rumors and bs. Then TK didn’t have the balls to fire Jack Perry or punish Hangman . He didn’t wanna be a boss and the relationship with punk ended in a horrible way.
@@The_Shining_wizardfax
Hangman going into business for himself on live tv screwed everything up for them lmaoo. All because Colt Cabana was out of the company even tho it was Tony khan who didn’t want him in the company and the only reason he was because of a favor. Punk was even afraid Hangman was going to hurt him in the match. So if he u think about it it’s all Hangman’s fault 🤣🤣
It was definitely the beginning of the end at that point.
to this day cabana still getting paid 100k + he’s milked at least 500k from that company while not drawing a single dime
Hangman Pages promo will go down as the biggest long term butterfly Effect in modern day wrestling history. It will also go down as the exact moment the company goes to shit and never recovered.
Yeah in a business where the most important part is trusting ur life and safety on ur partner... Acts like what hangman did is betrayal in the highest order... If u can't trust them in even following a promo how much of ur own life can u trust
AEW has so many old wrestlers ,who are just there for the money!
We'll see in the next year or two whether that trend continues.
I mean it is their job...
@@wingerding AEW is basically Dixie Carter’s TNA without the charisma or talent. AEW won’t survive with a roster full of overpaid, overrated indie guys who don’t care about the long term success of the company and actively drive away guys who do care AND can draw money.
Yeah, but their pushing the older talent who doesnt need it over the younger who do. @wingerding
The sad part is there used to be some really great and high quality stuff on AEW. The feud between Punk and MJF was absolutely unbelievable, but it seems like AEW is more focused on catering to a small niche audience rather than trying to make the type of content that will grab a bigger audience. At this point AEW TV with the stupid Moxley plastic bag suffocation assassination attempt has become a parody of itself and essentially a billionare trust fund kid's death match youtube promotion.
I agree. I went back to re-watch some of the Punk stuff, whether it was promos or matches, and the overall feel of the production quality and audience interaction just felt so different. It's a shame to see what it has become as of late.
That’s the point tho. They’re supposed to be an alternative to wwe.
@@gustylikewind4006 You can be an alternative with different stuff without trying to re-invent the wheel. There are certain core wrestling mechanics and storyline foundations that are as old as time.
Not a WWE branded thing in anyway, I am not expecting or wanting AEW to be WWE lite, but you don't have to go on the polar opposite side of WWE's presentation to be viewed as an alternative.
The hangman Adam page and swerve Strickland storyline is entertaining
@@imbroskiii3 But you said they shouldn’t cater to a niche audience, but that’s the exact point of AEW. To cater to hardcore fans of professional wrestling. WWE is catering to everyone. Both are good. But if AEW tried to cater to a wider audience it wouldn’t be AEW anymore.
Pretty easy to see who won. Look where Punk is at being a top merch seller and in the hottest feud all the while he will likely headline a night of Wrestlemania. Now look where AEW is at with them declining in every metric and area and having record low ratings. It's pretty clear to see who won this.
The WWE won with bringing him back, especially with merch sales, but Punk is the biggest winner out of this. Rebuilding a bridge that was burnt to a crisp, looking the happiest he's looked in over a decade, and being involved in one of the best stories of 2024 is certainly something we didn't see coming.
@@ShawnTalksWrestling for sure. Punk in the end got exactly what he wanted
To me it's punk not only does he seem happy but everything aew has been doing with the elite is literally built off of him. Punk is living in there head's
I think they've both done their fair share of trolling, but AEW needs to move past it now and improve their product.
punk trolling is subtle maybe a sentence in a ptomo or a photo on his insta story aew on the other hand dedicating everything to him even made a dynatime with build being "releasing punk shoot footage" the whole reason taco jack STILL has a job is cause of punk. aew's and stans are just the crazy ex acting out whenever he breathes,punk's just enjoying his life.
CM Punk is the only real star AEW ever had!
Of his magnitude and what it meant at the time? It's hard to beat. AEW does have some good star power though, I can't deny that.
@@ShawnTalksWrestling Who The Plumber? You know his new gimmick is based around a movie about a Nazi right? That’s why I’m hoping Nigel beats Danielson. I’m gonna miss Bryan Danielson, but not as much as I’m gonna miss John Cena! One is my favorite wrestle of all time and the other one was my favorite wrestler in 2014!
After the airing of the backstage altercation, I was expecting Drew McIntyre to make some references to the video on RAW.
Punk referenced it himself and no one reacted. The WWE live crowd has no idea what’s going on in AEW
Yeah, this is more of an internet thing more than anything else, which is why Drew opted to post that picture of himself and Perry on X.
AEW made quite possibly the worst business decision in the history of wrestling.
This decision will haunt them long term.
Agreed
The worst decision Khan made was getting in bed with The Bucks and putting them in positions of power. That was from the get go of the company.
all this could have been stopped if tony khan stepped up as boss, just imagine the generational fueds cm punk , the elite , hangman and jack perry could have after the backstge altercations.. those fueds wouldve have made aew so much money and it would have brought so much viewership and new fans to aew, its sad to see such generational oppurtunity misses
One year later and the company has been on decline ever since
That’s what the numbers appear to indicate. Last week’s Dynamite ratings hit 660k, which is way too low for the go-home show before All Out.
It'll get lower next year@@ShawnTalksWrestling
CM Punk did not start the second backstage fight that was Jack Perry I still do not understand how come Jack Perry never got fired for that something that he did this just proves AEW is showing the favoritism in that company how would you guys handle that? Who would you guys get rid of if something like that happened in front of you if you were in charge?
In the grand scope, it was Punk who approached Perry backstage, and Punk was the first to get physical. While all of it started with a civil discussion, which led to the "real glass" line, Perry hadn't been confrontational with Punk up until their face-to-face. I still agree that someone in charge could have de-escalated the situation before it got out of hand.
@ShawnTalksWrestling Yeah, but they did in front of Tony. They should have told them to stop let it go. We talked about it next week right now in the middle of a show Tony didn't do anything. Just let it happen if Joe wasn't there, I think that fight would have been bad, and Tony needs to think Joe to convince him to put on the match with punk. I should think Jack Perry should have been let go instead of punk Cause Perry was trying to do this angle, and everyone was telling him. No, how come? No one told Tony about his angle he wanted to do. I'm pretty sure Tony would tell him no as well, and I think Tony would have told Perry to talk to punk about it as well.
@@ShawnTalksWrestlingI mean it was an act of cowardice all things considered... Play nice in front of them and then as soon as they turn their backs, insult them on live TV in front of everyone... Same thing hangman did... The face to face confrontation after that was warranted and the physical altercation was the most normal thing anyone would ever do at that point
I hope he brings out the aew ✖️ championship at Mania 40 for his entrance and throws in bin right after it'd be so poetic.
I don't think they can legally do that but just the bag with the shape of the title still inside it being dumped into the bin would be a more plausible outcome and still be hella entertaining
What? Mania 40 was 6 months ago.
You’re very well spoken, and I love how much thought you’ve put into what you’re saying. As a huge Punk fan, this video was an absolute joy to watch.
Looking forward to your future content!
Cody Rhodes CM Punk Jon Moxley and Kenny omega made AEW now that Cody and Punk are bck in WWE and Kenny omega is out on sidelines Adam Copeland injured Adam Cole injured AEW has fell down even with the NJPW and ROH DEALS TNA is getting better only ones holding the company is Bryan danielsion swerve Strickland Adam page Darby Allin and Jon moxley but wit the backstage footage made my other GOAT PUNK get more notoriety
And AEW screwed AEW
I think MJF always being away hurts their brand. He's one of the best heels in wrestling and a ratings draw, but it doesn't help to have him come back for a few months and disappear again, either due to injury or some other reason.
@@ShawnTalksWrestling fax MJF is the CM punk of their company even his feud with CM punk was one of the best views in AEW matter fact, best Feuds in wrestling his reign is AEW world champion, Ring of honor world, tag team, champion, AEW international champion even his CzW/mlw stint was good He’s already a house hold name.
The day they fired punk was the day that company died and everyone knew it at the time too
That was the popular consensus, followed by the final nail moment being the airing of the footage.
Good video new here to the channel. This is really informative. I actually said to some aew fans who said I was hating on aew and talking down on Punk. I reminded them he built up more of their fan base. But after all the incidents he had and was released and living rent free in aew heads its hurts their viewership. Along with a lot of the booking decisions and topics they make into matches
Agreed with pretty much everything. I think there's also the issue of too many cooks in the kitchen and ideas being greenlit without putting much thought into them. Some hit, many more miss.
@@ShawnTalksWrestling very true and definitely too many cooks. Love the show and very informative
They gatekeep everyone who has an opinion that's not favorable to aew.
@@ralphso5567 they do . They sound like ricochet when he got all upset with that fan on X. Their defense is your a hater no I have an opinion and your soft
i think there is no denying in that punk leaving hurt AEW, but that should not be the question. The question should be would the alternative be better. Keeping are removing punk were both bad decisions at the time. i think while short term kicking punk is bad. The long term negative impact of keeping punk despite what he has said and done would turn the locker room toxic. Shit happened, and both outcomes suck.
Another question on AEW ratings are how much are they affected by punk, by the quality of the competition (which certainly improved a lot in the last 1.5 years) By the quality of the show , and by the received quality of the show. In the last few months, a lot of people keep shit talking AEW television because they want to, not because they even remotely watched the show. Like the worst period of AEW which I'd say was around December January of 23/24 was still like miles better than WWE has been for years. At least as far as dynamite is concerned . Turn into a random dynamite during the darkest period, and you'll still see a perfectly fine TV show (if you look at cage match rating for dynamite for example, only one episode in 2024 was sub 6.0) . A lot of Dynamite Viewership was dude to the lack of quality of WWE from. Like 16-2021, some people may have forgotten how absolutely horrible raw was for a couple of years. Now that WWE is good again at being WWE television, lots of people switched back to it. Especially considering that WWE and AEW are very different shows. Which is great, i love having two high production value TV shows that feel different.
I'd say the worst part of the whole cm punk story was that long term it spawned rampage and collision. 3 hours were fine, but now AEW needs to fill 5 hours of television each week. That, adding ROH to the mix. The worst thing AEW did the last 2 years was nothing booking related, it was simply way to much television. Wrestling fans feels like a full-time job in 2024 raw smackdown and dynamite are all really good shows these days. nxt is also decent. as is collision, but you can't watch everything and if you feel like you can't follow AEW any more sine you can't spend 5 hours and only watching dynamite give you an incomplete experience I can totally see why you cut out AEW from you schedule.
First, thank you so much for this great comment! Lots of great points made.
To respond to that last part specifically, I remember back in 2017 I had reached a burn out from wrestling. Three hours of Raw, one hour of NXT (which at the time was probably my favourite wrestling show of the week), and another two hours of SmackDown. To boot, most of it felt like a chore to watch, to the point that I had to take a mini hiatus. I can see AEW going in the same direction, and the drop in viewership certainly suggests that it's a possibility.
I have to object to using Cagematch as a quality metric, I looked it up and on average less than 200 people cast their vote for the shows. That's an extremely low number and you can't base the quality of a product around that. Wrestlenomics has a chart to display total viewership and you can see a continuous decline from October 2023 to now, can you really say that shows are good with that track record?
I was on the AEW hype train in 2019 during the early days and stopped watching wrestling ( aside from the ppvs ) all together during Covid due to both companies being dog shit. Cm punk brought me back to AEW and I saw what the product had turned into so punk and mjf were the only two reasons I watched. Then him going back to wwe for me back to watching them weekly and I’ve been back in love with wwe since due to the better booking ( not 100% better ) but Tony khan is holding AEW back due to him being the nice guy and never putting his foot down on anybody
Easy engagement. Love how every response you have with regurgitated takes with everyone that’s so one-sided was written with so much giddy since the narrative of anti-AEW pays.
I’m pretty sure this will make you one of the credible pro wrestling content creators. Good luck in your deep dives for WWE’s products!
Say what you want about punk but once he left AEW that was the downfall of Aew y’all can hate him all you want and you don’t have to believe it just look at the numbers on television the arena’s even Tony khan was upset punk left cause he knew if he goes to wwe they will be on fire and look at them now
WWE was already catching fire before Punk arrived, which was also hurting AEW's product. What made AEW so appealing five years ago was that they were not only an alternative, they were putting out something that wasn't stale like the WWE was at the time. Not that the WWE product is refreshing and has tons of hot storylines going, AEW is struggling big time.
I'm amazed Jack Perry turned this into what he did, but I think he got a lot of help by an aew Fandom that feels like they wanna pull together while things are down. Otherwise I can't really explain it. But still, good for him for finding a way.
But punk won. As did anyone who watches wwe or both brands.
When it comes to punk being in wwe again its better for him as a wrestler in wwe compared to Aew. He has gotten less injuries back in wwe and people are a bit more mature in wwe compared to Aew leading to less friction.
Who cares? They couldn't do business and Punk used his transitional exposure in AEW to end up back in WWE, which was his goal from the start. His pride and ego would have never allowed Phil Brooks to go directly back to WWE after how he left the company. So he used AEW as a buffer for his WWE return. He just found a way to get there sooner than he'd expected by making himself hard to work with. AEW is doing its thing and Punk is doing his. People give Phil way too much credit for being more than just another personality in the wrestling business.
Clearly, you care.
It's crazy how much younger punk looks in wwe 😂 in aew he looked old as hell.
Stress will do that to you.
It’s very much wwe and punk, they still can’t stop talking about iy
If anything all this only made Cm Punk more legendary. Makes this fire by killswitch engage fit him better now than ever before too so there's a plus. EVEN THROUGH THE DARKEST DAYS THIS FIRE BURNS ALWAYS! 🗣️🔥✖️
I think both themes fit him well but I think cult of personality is just an absolute perfect fit... With how much of a controversial figure he is fits the comparison to people like Mussolini, Kennedy, Stalin, and Gandhi... Both the good sides and the bad sides
And with how outspoken he is, lines like "when a leader speaks, that leader dies" is like when he's villainised by a part of the community for speaking out or "when the mirror speaks, the reflection lies" the mirror being the truth spoken and the reflection being the 2nd hand news and rumours twisting the story to start drama and "u don't have to follow me, only u can set me free" is like how his fanbase will follow him despite everything and how he's raised to mega stardom because of it
It's as if the song was written for punk
The footage showing that Punk was telling the truth was the nail in the coffin for them 😂
I’m sorry mate, but the AEW pop was louder for sure. I say that as a big Punk fan. It’s the best pop of the last 10-20 years by far.
Disagree. CM Punk coming back to Tripe H's WWE was Hell freezing over people still find it surreal he's back in WWE let alone he mended bridges fully with hbk and trips. but at AEW people got used to it quickly cuz there's a difference between returning to the indies and returning to WWE.
There trying not be wcw but end up being worse
I blame Punk for leaving WWE but I blame AEW for Punk leaving them
The positive reaction and support from fans after CM Punk assault of Jack Perry would not have happened anywhere else. If wrestling was a real sport like the football by the NFL and basketball by the NBA, then there would have a been a different reaction. The media would have criticized Punk for assaulting a coworker. His actions were disgusting and should not be cheered. I think AEW has lost so many viewers is due to the bad booking and storytelling for most of the company. They need to return to long term booking and signing young stars for the future.
I say no one won as Punk is generally hated amongst AEW fans aew has fallen to a shell of what It was once
Between the two (Punk and AEW), Punk has the upper hand just by being happy in his new environment and succeeding. I think the WWE benefits the most though, as they are raking in the money in merch alone, not to mention an uptick in viewership.
Being hated by AEW fans is a win, not a loss. Theres so little of them now anyway
Those loud pops Punk gets from WWE fans every night he comes out kind of negates the small Dwindling remaining AEW fans being mad at him.
For me it proved that AEW was banking too much on Punk and older WWE talent when they should've been pushing their own AEW talent.
And theyre doing the same mistake again with Mercedes Mone! Shes been burying the AEW originals and her personality is no different from when she was Sasha Banks in WWE! I thought she would've changed it up in AEW a bit!
If one person they got it right with so far is Christian Cage! Hes the ultra heel we never got in WWE and TNA and he gets the AEW talent over
If anything, I think they've turned Sasha Banks' heel character into more of an annoyance than anything. Christian Cage is a major exception, he's in his element when he's the bad guy, and we've seen that now in three different companies.
Punk is bigger than AEW
CM PUNK, CM PUNK, CM PUNK!
Edit: You hear there was another fught at All in just a few days ago? Guess Punk wansnt the issue!! HAHAHA!!
I didn't hear of it actually. The last confrontation I heard was between MJF, his girlfriend, and Britt Baker.
@@ShawnTalksWrestling I can't find it to give you the details of where I got it, I'm sorry for that but yeah something happened at All in or whatever the last PPV was for AEW. If I am wrong, I do sincerely apologize.
Thank You Jack Perry For Getting CM Punk!
To think that his one sentence led to everything unfolding, resulting in Punk's return to the WWE. It feels like an alternate timeline sometimes.
@@ShawnTalksWrestling There is an alternate time where CM Punk stays in AEW and Collision doesn’t sucks! But I feel like he would’ve eventually left.
how is smackdown getting more views than raw?? i thought raw was the flagship brand
Combination of a few things, but overall it's easier to maintain a higher average on a two-hour show compared to a three-hour show. That plus the Bloodline taking center stage for most of the timespan really helped.
Lol AEW has been in existence for 5 years WWE what 70 years? I would hope they are drawing more TV viewers
Then why is AEW doing worst business now then when they started off? No one expects AEW to outgun wwe but by the same token, AEW should be doing better now then they were before hand. That's a red flag
AEW where the Big Boys from the Kindergarten plays 😂
Punk bought credibility, experience, new fans to the product..If he had problems..They should have been properly addressed which Tony Khan didn't..Simple..
Forget the horrible ratings..Aews product is horrible to watch..
My opinion Punk really didn't do much in Aew he was off injured more than he was there I m so happy Punk isn't in Aew they are doing so much better with him but Aew could even do more if they get the Tag Team titles away from the Young Bucks and get the Tag Team division back on track
That's fair. I agree about the Bucks as well, they're holding the division back and are a ratings sinkhole.
Lol hes been injured a way higher percentage his WWE return 😂
Punk was a big star before all of this happened and is STILL a big star.
"Jungle" Jack Perry was a mid-carder before all of this happened and is now one of the most talked-about stars in AEW and recently main evented a PPV against The World Champ.
Who came out on top beteen Punk and Perry? I'd say Perry is the one who's stock rose the highest.
As for who came out on top between WWE and AEW? I'd have to say the numbers speak for themselves. WWE.
My one internal question that I have is this: If Punk never joins AEW and goes through what he did, does that door open back to the WWE? It's something I've wondered about for quite some time now.
I'm in agreement with you on the two winners. I don't think Punk had much to gain, other than his way back to WWE, but Perry turned his career around and is now elevated to a higher position on the roster. WWE definitely won between the two companies, as the numbers indicate as much.
You can push Jungle Jack but he’s not a real main event talent. He could be controversial but not captivating. He simply has no charisma. Also they moved so late with the whole work shoot angle.
Perry has no appeal. You could put every belt in AEW on him, and he'd still be a midcarder before his spine evaporates from lugging 900 belts
@@bashamd96 I like what Perry brings to the table. They don't call him one of the "Pillars Of AEW" for nothing.
He's been putting on stellar performances since his arrival at the start of AEW.
Jack Perry isn't a draw
Punks aew run was lackluster
It could have been more had it not been for injuries, but the show was at its peak.
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AEW is so desperate to beat WWE
AEW show the footage about CM Punk and Perry brawl at backstage at All In, how embarrassing???
i'm still glad that Punk was in AEW for a year, I loved his feuds. However, without Punk it feels like pre Punk AEW, which was the best. Although I rarely watch wrestling now, I never miss MJF and Ospreay matches.
I don't know... Punk in AEW had a real different vibe to it. I went back to watch his promos and matches, and the atmosphere in the arena was just a different feel compared to what it is now.
Punk. Easily.
Personally, I wasn't a fan of Punk's AEW run. It felt very artificial as for his supposed love of wrestling had a 7 year gap between his last WWE match and first AEW match. Not to mention anyone with a pair of eyes and knowledge of his history making the same connections about Colt Cabana. If he was a heel, I would have felt better about it. I still don't trust Punk in WWE, but so far nothing major has happened as far as we know. And the feud with Drew/Seth/Punk is storyline gold.
I still side with AEW on the Punk situation (except about airing the actual footage), but if they could have just gotten someone who could have kept the peace AEW would probably be doing much better now.
I agree with that last part, I think a peacekeeper would have calmed the situation down.
Has anyone realized that Tony owns a football team yet made his own fumble by releasing his biggest draw?
A bigger fumble than anything the Jaguars will showcase this season.
@@ShawnTalksWrestling he sucks in two sports!
Actually, it's his dad. Tony is given a special position cause of nepotism
I cannot imagine the lowlifes that’s watch Aew that show is awful, Moxley is a joke now and Kenny and the young bucks are trash
AEW lost catastrophically. Good.
Sorry but no way his WWE return was close to being as big as his AEW return to wrestling if you watch both imo its not close
Punk was the only star they had in AEW
What makes punk a bigger star than Jericho or Cody? You do know that literally every championship run punk had in WWE lost ratings, right? There's actually a video on UA-cam called "Punk's career drawing power" and it shows how the ratings actually went down with punk as champion in ECW, and on Raw and SmackDown. Then the guy was a ghost to the business for 7 years, embarrassed himself in UFC, had a role in a movie no one watched and drew comic books no one bought. Punk didn't draw until he came back to wrestling in 2021.
@@platinumpagoda3079dunno why you're downplaying punk lol
@@platinumpagoda3079 Jericho is a decade removed from being a star
@@bashamd96 Not even remotely true. Even if it was, he's still a bigger star than punk. Punk has been irrelevant for the last 10 years, and only became relevant by starting fights in the locker room and crying about Colt Cabana. The guy doesn't even care about wrestling, he only came back to make a payday off of that mark Tony Khan. The dude has no integrity.
@platinumpagoda3079 Man, you're trying way too hard to get a reaction from me. Here's a tip I hate Punk, so burying him gets the same reaction as saying Benoit did terrible things
I think you're attributing too much influence to Punk in the ratings. When Raw dropped 200k in 2023 Q4, so did smackdown and this was during a very hot bloodline story. Saying that RAW gained 300k in 2024 Q1 with a Punk that barely made apperances seems to force the argument too much trying to fit it into a narrative
On AEW ratings;
June 2022 he, underwent surgery and was out for 9 months post press-conference, ratings 2022 Q3 were still 1 million, 2023 Q1-Q2 still kept consistent with the numbers in 2022 Q2 with him being gone, the needle didn't move at all, following your logic the ratings should've dropped massively.
On AEW Collision ratings;
Punk was in collision in his last 2 months, the ratings went from a 800k debut all the way down to low 400k's weekly around the time he left, and it pretty much ranged around 350-400k average for months. So a large percentage of the viewership in collision had already bled during the time Punk was there, if this massive drop happened with him in the show i don't think you can explain the entire collision ratings loss on Punk leaving since the largest percentage happened with him being featured on the show
CM Punk won...
Nah fam. It’s no good having a draw like punk if no one in the locker room is happy. And no one wants to work with him. And that’s why he was let go.
Both times.
Punk is a different person today,l then he was then.
But you can’t keep someone like that in your stable.
Punk can’t carry an entire company without people to wrestle.
Dont worry too much..aew is good without punk. Good riddance
By "good" you mean consistently drawing under a million viewers for their main show, considerably less for their B & C shows, 30,000 less in attendance for All In 2024 All In than All In 2023, making Swerve a glorified paper champion, pushing Daniel Garcia harder than Wardlow, and poorly booking an extremely overpaid Okada? And "good riddance" to the guy that gave AEW their first million dollar gate? There's nothing wrong with favoring AEW over WWE, but you can't throw reality out the window over it. Danielson winning the title was legitimately the best moment on ANY AEW program in over a year, and even though I've read people crap on the cage match between Hangman & Swerve or it being "too violent" not only do I find the "violence" appropriate, WWE should take notes and implement more violence into the upcoming HIAC match between Punk & McIntyre: Blood & graphic violence will ALWAYS have a place in wrestling when they're used in the right fueds, during the right matches, using the right talent, for the right reasons (sparingly). If the rumors of Shane doing some kind of invasion angle, I'll tune in, but other than that, AEW is putting out the absolute worst product in their 5 year history.
They're also selling 1-3k tickets in a 12-15k capacity arena@@VeryStupid4547
They need to quit revolving around the Bucks and Perry they are not good MJF and will osprey are good and are on another level than everyone else in AEW the Bucks wouldn’t get past NXT in WWE
Punk got shown for what he was. He has gone back to WWE cap in hand and has continued to wrestle on average 3 matches before getting injured. I think one of the wwe wrestlers said punk has a weak body and a weak mind
@@robertclark5936 That was Moxley. I do think Punk has had his fair share of bad luck over the years, whether it was injuring his foot after jumping into the crowd, or freak accidents like his tricep tears.
He’s getting older plus he’s been out so long so injuries are more likely to happen but he’s on a level that Moxley will never reach
AEW firing CM Punk will always be the best coarse taken.. no matter the loss.
The AEW fans won. I was not happy when he showed up. Happy as hell he went back to kids wrestling. That's where he belongs, with his saturday morning cartoon tattoos
lol y’all coping is adorable
@jamiek9780 Coping? Lol I'm happily living. I'm sorry that's where your mind went. Psychological sign that coping is just what your are most familiar with. Much like Punk in UFC, AEW, or hell, anywhere Punk has been that had a fan base of people that can see him for what he truly is, not what they've been told to see him as. I will not apologize for rational thought
@@Richard-w7l9m the funny part is you can’t tell that you’re literally coping right now 🤣 I haven’t even said my opinion on the guy, and that little comment is all it took to get you all triggered. The dude lives in your head rent free. Move on already lmao.
When you’re throwing around personal insults like that, it’s a clear sign that he’s under your skin.
Write me another angry reply, this is funny
@jamiek9780 Said that to you so many comments ago. You simply don't understandand keep going. Never insulted you. Stated facts. Somehow you missed that as well. Obviously, an intelligent exchange of information is beyond you. Therefore, Goodbye big fella.
P.S.- getting triggered is an invention of this generation. The rest of us deal with life and move on, like I'm doing... again.
@@Richard-w7l9m “Stating facts”, none of what you said was facts, it’s your opinion. If you want to talk facts we could have talked about AEW’s sharp drop in ratings, their first million dollar gate off Punk’s name, or the fact that he’s spearheading WWE’s top feud that’s outperforming and selling everything on AEW.
But of course, people like you tuck tail and run whenever you get checked at the door. I figured you’d run along when you’re checkmated.
Watch you backpedal and come crawling back. You already waved the white flag little bro 😅 go ahead, write me a comment. Dance monkey 🕺