The Least Profitable NFL Teams Explained…
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- The Least Profitable NFL Teams Explained…
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I shocked that Cincinnati, Cleveland and Arizona are not on this list
Die hard fan bases. Oddly enough.
@@kennethloki7011 And yet, Arizona doesn't care about all of its sports as case in point, the Coyotes left town.
Good for you.
@tylerpuszczewicz2535 NHL gave an owner that was never going to be an asset for the team too sweet of a deal. The NHL probably hoped it would happen the way it did to get a team out of AZ and into a better market. Thankfully, the fans didn't buy that nonsense. A competent owner with support from the NHL could have gotten something done there, but unfortunately, that never happened.
Arizona is one of the largest markets in the country, and Cleveland & Cincinnati have deeply loyal fan bases.
How can Jacksonville not be on this list?!
Becuase the NFL is much more viable in one of the fastest growing cities (JAX) than many think. Plus Shad Khan is a very capable owner; he continues to pour tons of money with infrastructure projects in JAX.
The London games bring in a good chunk of extra income for the team.
I expected every Florida team to be on this list, it's one of the worst sports markets in existence. Too many people aren't originally from there and the wages are pathetically low.
Not a big football fan I see.
In 2019-2022 I had a season pass that got me tickets for every Lions home game for $290. Since the start of the 2023 season $290 will get you nose bleeds if you’re lucky
The Lions were a surprise, but of course, this information is two years old. Don't expect them to stay on this list.
Absolutely. The Lions, I believe, kept their ticket prices low because the team was not good. I believe they have significantly increased ticket prices. EVERY ticket for 2023 and 2024 was sold. 😊
Imagine making a video with 2 year old info with 2 year old takes yet selling it as today.
Detroit is a middle tier fan base. As they march to the Super Bowl this year and standing room sellouts every game for years.
Look, the revenue is lower because the prices were lower to keep attendance up. It’s not so this year, ask the ticket buyers.
As far as the mid-tier crack, look how our fans take over opposing team stadiums last year when we were a winning franchise. Nothing mid-tier about this support.
We did the same when the Tigers and Red Wings were winning. This fan base is passionate period.
@@CArchivist easy to say that when there winning
@@forgottenplaces9780I know a lot of people that travel over 50 miles per game and have for decades.
I agree overall about the Lions, but the main reason was how bad they were. The Red Wings played downtown, but had GREAT teams and attendance was never a problem.
Excellent point.
I just learned this but the Chargers actually pay $1 in rent to Stan Kronke every year and actually share revenue with tickets, sponsors, concessions and advertisements. Also, chargers just built a 300 million dollar headquarters and practice facility. Chargers aren’t doing that bad actually 😂
Not equally…
@forgottenplaces9780 The NFL is much more of a TV product than other sports. Limited support in L.A. means less than simply being in the L.A. market compared to being in San Diego.
@@Marylandbronyagreed
... but have to split it all with the Lambs and somewhat Vegas.
I hope the Lions win a superb owl this season
If the Lions can win two Superb owls, then they'll have a pair of nice hooters.
I want a superb owl😂😂😂
The majority of the wealth in metro Detroit is less than an hour away from downtown Detroit. Lions ticket prices were well below league average until the 2024 season. Ford field has always been sold out, even when the team was trash so idk how that is considered a mid tier fan base.
Detroits attendance per espn has consistenly ranked as one of the lower in the league many seasons at ford field as recently as 2021 detroit was last in the league
I'd like to see a 2023 list.
The University of Michigan is close to Detroit and always draws 100,000 or more to games. It is not the nature of the fans that is the problem.
The problem is that the Lions have been CONSISTANTLY awful during the Super Bowl Era. That is 57 years! No other team has come close to that.
The only things around raymond james are car dealerships, fast food joints, and strip clubs. Im surprised theyre THAT low but not surprised theyre low
When I was a kid back in the 1970s, I always thought the Lions were a made-for-TV team that only played on Thanksgiving. They were never on TV in Texas other than on Turkey Day; they never made the playoffs; the local Oilers were in the AFC and may have only played NFC Detroit two, maybe three times in the decade after the NFL merger; even with all the Michigan natives that flooded the Houston area looking for jobs during that time, none of them ever talked about the Lions.
You wanna know what's hilarious? The Lions were closer to their World Championship glory days when you were a kid watching them in the 70s than the Cowboys are to theirs for kids watching football today. 🤣
@@drmwpn As I'm not a Cowboys fan, that is funny!
So the least profitable teams make a mere more money than almost anyone can even conceptualize? I get it now.
Detroit is not declining. The whole city is on the rise. The population is growing.
Not really, its population is still declining just much slower
@@forgottenplaces9780 The population is rising. The census was out and the population grew. And it’s expected to grow year after year. Do research on Detroit and you will find out that you don’t want to go off the the history, but go off the facts. They’re just now getting done with the Gordie Howe bridge. New skyscrapers are going up. I wouldn’t be surprised in the next 30 years they’re the top five city in America. Your channel may be named forgotten places, but Detroit is not.
Cheerleader?
Detroit is a mid tier fan base huh?
Right this guy is delusional
@@KINGONE6XIV It's a two year old video.
It'll be completely different in a season or two of not sucking
Weird... But the Lions sell out on a regular basis and have for years!
Not true u can look at espns attendance numbers, they were last as recently as 2021
The Bucs are the least surprising on this list. When I made the mistake of moving there, the visiting teams always outnumbered the home crowd and this is when they had a winning record. Also, who the hell wants to be at an outdoor stadium in that miserable heat?
Shouldn't Tampa's weather be less miserable in the fall and winter?
@@rashaadjorden1187 Not in Florida. The humidity makes 70 feel like 99.
Good video. Looking forward to seeing a top 5 video!
Tom Grossi been really quiet since this dropped
I met him once
😂😆😆😆
Detroit has a great fanbase. Even when they were consistently one of the worst teams in the league and horribly mismanaged there were surprisingly a ton of diehard supporters and people who still cared deeply for the franchise.
Regularly towards the bottom in attendance per espn, last in the league in 2021
Geaux Saints! The NFL should want to keep us in the league, just to host Super Bowls as no other city can do what New Orleans does with huge crowds.
I wonder how things might have turned out if the Raiders returned to LA along with the Rams and the Chargers played in Vegas. Perhaps the silver and black would have more home fans than the blue and gold? Maybe more desert fans willing to gamble on the Chargers?
Although this has been listed as being fairly new. This is pretty dated. The Lions have really turned around ,attendance is standing room only, season tickets are wait listed and merch is flying off the shelves. Plus the moments about the fan base is just plain stupid! Just check out the attendance at the big house and Spartan stadium. Really sad that this represents the work of “forgotten places” keep this out there and you will listed as forgotten providers.
Psssh college football is not the same as the nfl lions fans are fair weather imo
@@forgottenplaces9780uhh…no they aren’t.
Surprised the Bills are not on the list
I went to Detroit a few years back to catch a Steeler game and I have to say that I loved Ford Field and enjoyed the downtown area. The Game was about 2/3 Steeler fans (first year for Dan Campbell '21). I imagine it's a lot harder to get a ticket to the Lions home games these days.
When I was stationed in Pendleton it didnt take long to figure out LA was trash, and San Diego was awesome. It also didnt take long to figure Qualcomm stadium was a death trap.
Id like to see the whole league's rank.
Considering the product the Lions have put out over the years, it is amazing that they turn a profit at all. Until last year, the Lions had won exactly one playoff game in my lifetime. I am 64 years old.
They are cranking now. I don't think the spread out population has anything to do with it. Most years the team was bad.
3:43 I lived near LA as a kid. It was the 90s so there were still two football teams. But there are two of everything there. Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers, Angels, Kings, Ducks, Raiders, Rams. And it’s LA. So nothing is close. You are also competing with the beach and other outdoor activities.
The problem with just looking at operating income is that NFL player cost can fluctuate widely year to year for teams, while looking at something like revenue is much more stable when comparing teams. Player costs will become closer over time since all NFL teams are required the spend at least 90% of the cumulative cap over a 3,3,4 year time period however in a single year it can vary greatly. For example currently the 49ers have the highest cash spending at $337,546,694 while the least are the Raiders at $218,426,166.
Forbes has already released their estimates for the 2023 season and only two teams on this list is the same in the bottom 5. The 2023 list would be Lions $56 million, Packers $60 million, Bengals $76 million, Ravens $77 million, Bills $101 million.
If you look at revenue figures for 2022 and 2023 season however it's the same 5 teams on the bottom. (2023/2024 number in millions) Lions, ($495/$501), Bengals($498/$549), Cardinals($500/$546), Bills($503/$552), Titans($516/$561).
What matters most to ownership is the value of the team as equity raises the value of their personal portfolio and can be used to acquire more assets. So operating income is important and shows the health of the business but it is the value of the asset (the team) that really matters to the ownership group and increasing the value of the franchise is a priority.
Winning cures everything.
TV revenue is more than $10B annually and is split evenly between the 32 teams, that is more than $310M per team. None of this makes sense.
Theres more to what a team makes than tv revenue
@@forgottenplaces9780 agree, but that should be quantified when stating revenue.
@@forgottenplaces9780 Does this video only mean "ticket" revenue?
All of these survived 2020 with no fans.
I was kind of surprised by the Packers being on here, but I think you got it right.
The reason they are on the list is because they are public and the only team that MUST report revenue. Can't make too much money.
New Orleans is small market with a population of almost 400,000 and a metropolitan population of about 1.2 million. So I’m not surprised at all that the Saints are on this list.
Saints fans or inherently loyal.
Still can't believe they put two teams back in LA.
How bout them COWBOYS!
Have winter condo on Anna Maria Is and am a big Tampa Bay fan!!! Bears too!
Least profits avoids capital gains tax it is the loophole in investing to avoid paying taxes.
😆😂😝😂😆 You don’t know what capital gains is. Smh.
I am surprised the Packers and the Lions are on there since both are long time NFL franchises and have fans all over the country. I would think they would have large merch sales.
I'm guessing the Browns are finally number 1. 😂
I find many of the bad teams to be the cool teams. They have good colors and mascots. I love the panthers colors. It’s funner to root for underdogs.
The NFL removed all teams from LA for 22 years as blackmail for not taxing citizens to build a new $1 billion stadium. There must be a lot of lingering resentment there. But across the nation, I wonder how things would change if they got rid of the blackout rule. I know it makes me less inclined to support the team in the city I've lived in for 30 years. Instead I support the team in the city I was born because in part, I can watch them. We pay a 1% tax for my local team. I'd be fine if they moved and the city got rid of the tax.
How did the Carolina Panthers not make the list? They stink and the owner is a jerk. Their first home game for the 2024 season today was played in front of a half empty stadium.
Interesting how the Seahawks and Buccaneers came in at the same time and are as different as the distance between them.
Tepper sucks. I live in Panthers country. The Panthers are like the Baltimore Colts from 1978 to 1983. Charlotte is a good city in spite of its liabilities but I don’t know how the Panthers will succeed with a bad owner and a losing team.
Low effort rehash. No talk of revenue sharing, internal financial specifics.
I am surprised Buffalo did not make it. Even tho there is a good fan base in every other area ( tv market, population is now 1/2 of what it was in 1970's for examples ) it is near the bottom of all NFL teams. If Buffalo ever lost its NFL team odds are it will never get another team.
I'm curious how the income breaks down and if some teams wildly outperform others in certain categories. TV deals, ticket sales, parking & concessions, merchandise & licensing, sponsorships, etc.
One of the....it is the most popular and wealthy league in the world.
The Rams own their own Staduim they can make money on both they Football and NonFootball event in SoFi
I would like to see the comparison of the lions in 2023 those numbers would not be much higher, lions fans have never had a problem getting to the stadium if they are doing well.
Thought for sure Jacksonville would be in there.
1:04 That's Green Bay but sideways. North is to the right.
I know
Hopefully the league has enough with away fans showing up to Chargers games, lets LA be a one team market, and somebody moves the chargers back to SD.
I expect my Patriots to fall out of the top 10 soon.
@maxpowr90 Pats consecutive home sellout streak dates back to the 94 season when Robert Kraft bought the team. I'll be at Gillette tomorrow myself.
Did you have to show the Lions in the thumbnail? Haven’t we suffered enough? And the Raiders still have a stronger fan base in LA than either team, and they left 30 years ago.
Look for the Carolina Can'thers to be #1 for 2024 !!!!
How are the Bears not on the list? They have the worst lease in the NFL and one of the worst in American professional sports.
If they build in Alington Height on the land they own, the domed stadium won't have a retractable roof.
If the City and State build a new stadium near Soldier Field, it won't be domed.
That's because the McCaskey family has no outside business ventures.
Jerry Reinsdorf, owner of the Sox and Bulls, sold a financial services firm to Amex.
The Ricketts family, owner of the Cubs, started a discount brokerage business.
The Wirtz family, which owns the Blackhawks, owns real estate, banks, a liquor distributorship, and a few radio stations.
Also whenever I see Rams games most of stadium is visiting fans not just Chargers. Rams hosted and played Superboel and most were Bengals fans there. Sofi is basically a home game for 49ers and Raiders fans. Ticket sales are only 16% of NFL operating income. Most income is done through TV deals and commercials which are shared league wide. NFL is a socialist business model, ask comrade Goodell.
This is exactly why Jeff Bezos should buy an NFL team. Because he has made his money and if he buys an NFL team, it will be purely for ego not to make more money. he will spend money to bring him a championship will boost his ego. Cheap owners look at their investment as an investment.
Jags probably #1
Green Bay Packers are classified as a nonprofit organization. The only NFL team to be such, so I'm sure that has something to do with it.
The WNBA of the NFL.😮😮😮😂😂😂😂😂
Not up to date info.
3:08 One year. 1960
Move the chargers to Toronto
2:33-2:48 your statement is very misleading. You have to go behind the numbers. Plus you have to the rich culture history of New Orleans. There’s a reason why New Orleans has hosted the most Super Bowl.
Culture doesn’t define numbers
Same tired ass narrative with the chargers. They werent making enough in sd which prompted the move. And even when they were here, a bunch of visiting fans would flood the stadium. Thats what happens when you play in a desirable location. Plenty of us make the drive from sd and they would not have had the funds to hire harbaugh if they stayed
They wouldnt give them a free stadium, thats what prompted the move…
Lions have sucked for 30 years, last 2 years better but they still sucked in 22.
all the numbers from forbes are made up. this is all for publicity for forbes. the only real numbers are from green bay they are a public company. teams do not publish financials to the press. green bay can just sell more stock if they need money.
they also own everything around the stadium. all owners pay themselves 10 million or more to be president and owner of the teams. they also add all the family to the payroll. owners pay all the perks for themselves food, drink, hotels and private planes. the owners pay for nothing, it comes from the team.all the teams get free stadiums from the state and cities, they never show you the secret agreements on how the stadium is paid for. vegas does not want to show the A's secret stadium funding agreement.
dude i live in tampa and you couldnt be more wrong about the bucs did you do any research
All teams divide television money equally so that money puts all teams on equal grounds and has nothing to do with profitability ranking. Home teams share 40% of their gate with visiting teams, so unless games aren't sold out, teams in the divisions with the largest stadiums and highest priced tickets have the most income. This was poorly researched.
Tv market matters in a sense that it gives you an idea of potential interest/market around a given team, which usually can translate into ultimate profit
@@forgottenplaces9780 Merchandise, (jerseys, etc.) that's about it. Packer jerseys are national, as are Steelers and a few other small market teams.
profit dont we play sports on the weekend for fun maybe make some friends unfortunately we get used as suckers to make some suit money
If it’s not a publicly traded company, why would they want to show huge profitability; the more profits they make, the more taxes they pay. Public companies need good profitability to help drive good roi to help the stock price.
The lions have the worst record in nfl history. They are awful.
look pretty good to me this year
That would be the Bucs. In fact the Bucs have the lowest winning percentage of all the 4 major sports in America. But they are 2-0 in the Super Bowl so I doubt they care.
Boo hoo. Still makes more than the average person does in a year, in a day
They all need to change the seats I’ve never been to any NFL stadium in America or anywhere in the world except the Texas rangers MLB ball park in Arlington Texas these folks need to have soft cushion seats and weather tech make some of those for them to try so if I go ever where the teams profile of not my ass cheeks don’t hurt
Have winter condo on Anna Maria Is and am a big Tampa Bay fan!!! Bears too!