Hey - Command (Apple) + Click is to delete the selected points you are arrowed over on the canvas. You do not have to redo the entire keying. Alt + Click creates the subtractive zones (as you expressed). Solid video, hopefully improvements in their edge feathering in the future. The outline "glow" edges created by this mask as it stands are pesky! We need more options for greater feathering and spread (+100). I'd also like to see a faster "render", and not having to redo processing if we change a key frame. It's a great start however, a few refinements, and it might be better than MRoto.
thank you was trying to figure out how to delete points, also awesome they have negative points, honestly for my use cases this is absolutely amazing and one time payment! done! purchased!
@@ChrisCoelho Chris .... I added more commentary. When I am rotoscanning in video ProRes 4444 it will only do 1,000 frames and then stop. That is 16 seconds in earth time. Not much, and a hassle if you are rotoscanning a background out of a 20 minute video. You can drop a keyframe at the end of that 1,000th frame, then re-select and continue on, but it is not like mRotoAI, AI Backgrounder, Keypr and maybe others that will do the entire video if that is what you want. mRotoAI slows down tremendously into the rotoscan run and actually wiser to split the clip and run each clip, in the end it saves a lot of time. Still no perfect, all-in-one solution that has no subscription, is super fast, lets you do the whole clip, is accurate and gives one the right amount of control. Early day in AI assisted rotoscanning.
Really hoping for an absolute Killer FCP update towards the end of the year that makes all of these plugins obsolete. Final Cut is just dragging behind in so many areas right now. But I am very hopeful that it will very soon be the absolute No Brainer for any Creator and One Person Crew with heightened demands that it has the potential to be!
@@deareeMusic No cap, I think it can‘t get better. It‘s literally same as perfect green screen and if you got a strong laptop/pc it‘s quick as well. Look up “Magic Mask” honestly it can look overwhelming at first but it’s easy
Resolve has a very good rotoscope tool! Definitely a viable option. In some ways, it’s a bit more complex than the options shown in this video, but that comes with the benefits of better refinement.
mRotoAI was cool until I saw it was subscription based. Would've bought it immediately like I have many of their other plugins. Too bad I'll never support companies that take advantage of their customers like that. Sad to see so many going that route in this industry.
I used Davinci resolve to rotoscope I think it's one of the best by far. I use final cut to do my captions and cut video but I edit in Davinci. In davinci I can group a 5 sec clip and add transitions but in final cut I can't. It doesn't recognize that there's enough time for the transition. Good video.
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean with you can't group in FInal Cut? Also, how do you do captions in Final Cut? That's something everybody is missing.
How do you do captions in Final Cut? Captions is one of the main reasons I have to finish videos outside of Final Cut. Resolve is far superior for captions.
Both look go but I think I'll hold on to see if anyone else enters the market or Apple provide it as part of FCP. I can do this because I don't really need to rotoscope often. Subscriptions? Forget it!!! Too many companies have jumped on the subscription model but most of us can't afford to subscribe to every subscription service. I believe people are moving away from Adobe because of their subscription model. I don't recall any of these companies dropping their prices when downloading overtook software distribution by DVD. Moving to the downloading model must have saved companies like Adobe a small fortune. Just a bit of a Scottish rant! Great video as always Dylan.
Yeah, I'm really hoping for Apple now with the increase in neural engine cores in the M4 to be more aggressive with ML based functions to FCP and do it on device.
I tried root magic but the timeline and button are at 25% opacity, I didn't have luck with it functionally, I found the scene removal to work better, if any wholes show up I figured I could duplicate the video and then use a mask to reveal the original video below the masked video where there are wholes. works pretty good, and is about as fast considering the keyframe oddness
No one likes subscriptions Dylan, wish they switch to buy it outright. By the sounds of Philly's comment below Rotomatic sounds like it's got issues. Did you experience any? and are you running on M1 or intel? Cheers. Great demonstration though. You give it to us in a way we understand. Thanks.
Unless the value you get (and have to pay for) for all the other bells and whistles makes it a good deal for you own situation. Your comment is based on one only using mRotoAI and not using, nor needing, the other stuff. You are a customer they do not want nor need, and they are provider you do not want nor need. Both sides are happy.
@@mikkoleivonen2905 MotionVFX is just plain applying anti consumer business practices. The pricing is a scam regardless of how much of the package you use.
Thanks for this, Dylan. However, a follow-up video to include Keyper would be worthwhile for your viewers, in my opinion. In terms of *speed*, it is unbeatable. I have been using it extensively on *one-hour-duration* videos since its launch and it operates *instantly*. The tracking time for the rotoscoping tools you're reviewing here would *really* add up for longer clips. (Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with the makers of the Keyper plugin. I bought it when it first appeared (on the basis of a video review back then by Mark Spencer of Ripple Training.)
Yeah, Dylan has actually made many videos talking about Keyper, we use it constantly! it’s definitely an ultra handy tool - however it’s very limited with what you can mask out (can’t mask animals or vehicles, can’t manually add sections or remove sections, etc) So it’s amazing for using on things like talking heads - but wouldn’t be the best comparison with these two plugins. But it’s definitely great, even with its limitations!
one time payment is a no brainer which one to choose from, i'd argue that rotoAI looks a tiiiiny bit better but not enough where $34 a month is worth it so definitely looking to get RotoMatic...hope that they give another update to just finetune a few things like you mentioned.
Thanks Dylan for the video, I didn't even know there was anything else besides mRoto iA. In my opinion, mRoto iA wins in terms of simplicity and easy of use, something close to Davinci Resolve. I would like to see the same comparison in view of the recent update of Color Finale 2.9, where the mask for roto was added for free. Thanks again!
I would say, none of them. For specifically removing backgrounds my favourite tools are object tracking tools in Davinci Resolve Studio and the background remover in capcut.
@@adrianhepker311 you are right, depends on background as well. In such a scenario, i run a rough background removal in capcut and then export it to fine tune in davinci resolve studio. Gives me perfect results
@@nayyarrazakazmi8386 keyer is still easy to deploy and I’m sure with the next Mac os release more ML API’s will be available to do these things with less effort that would then land up coming to Finalcut
@@adrianhepker311 my friend keyer is even worse than the basic scene removal tool of final cut pro. Again for that price, a low end product like keyper doesn’t do its job well.
@@nayyarrazakazmi8386 seriously it’s only a screen removal . You think it’s something as essential as the blade tool it’s only a small gimmick one seldom uses as many client don’t want job ladden with effects and transitions. Subtle here and there makes sense. Not boom boom and and again and over kill it till it becomes so damb boring and everyone is doing it.
I have issues with rotomatic, if I click any area to add to the mask it goes straight into an infinity pinwheel and I have to close out FCPX and restart every time. I also have spec’d out Mac mini and it’s the only plugin that goes straight to pinwheel when I use it.
Watching this video actually has me wanting to fully test out RotoBrush 3 in After Effects. While I do own/use FCP, DR and PP/AE, lately I've been using PP a lot more. Judging from the video, mRotoAI does have the edge on quality. From what I see here, RotoMatic results are unusable. Hoping Adobe can bring some of that AI magic to rotoscoping direct to PP in the future.
RotoBrush 3 is by far the best out of all the options I have used! But it also comes at the cost of being extremely slow and unresponsive. Generally with RotoBrush, I have to do all the roto work, then export that, then re-import, and hide the original Roto layer, just to get decent performance. But if you're needing the absolute best (especially when working with hair) that's where I would go!
I have downloaded and been working extensively with this. In trial mode, after 1,000 frames, it stops working despite it being advertised as fully functional in trial mode plus the addition of a small watermark overlay. Do you know if this a limitation on the trial version, or is this frame limitation also in force in the paid version?
@@TheFinalCutBro OK .. Dylan thanks for answering. So, according to them, here is their response and something very critical that should be included in your review. This is a huge limitation as, in my case, it can only render 30 seconds of video before it stops. Imagine have to cut up a 30 minute video to 30 second segments and rotoscope each one separately .... from FX Factor ... "There is a limit of 2000-2500 frames that the system can process in one pass. You can cut the media into chunks and work on them individually."
@@mikkoleivonen2905 oh that’s really good to know! I never ran into that limitation, as I’ve generally only needed to Roto for a couple seconds here and there. Thanks for sharing!
Hi!! Somewhat unrelated to this but I have no one else to ask. Do you know if there is a way to add the “audio” movement behavior on a drop zone and publish it as a generator to FCP? This is so that I can then link it to an audio from FCP instead of doing it in motion. I hope that makes sense. When I’ve tried publishing the Audio behavior, I only get a checkbox in FCP that says “Audio” so I’m unable to link it to an audio source in FCP. Thanks in advance!
Unfortunately you are facing the exact same question I had ages ago! I did months of research, and unfortunately, I just did not find a way to do it. It seems audio just can’t work with Motion templates. There’s so many amazing plugins I would make if it were possible. I have sent in a request for this to work, but I have no idea if it’s even on the radar of future releases. Maybe someday!
Not giving an opinion leaves you with the option of one of them sponsoring you. Clever but would have liked your honest review instead of leaving room for sponsors
If I gave an honest review, I would be getting comments about how I’m biased. So I can’t really win either way. I just decided the best alternative is to let viewers decide for themselves off of actual results, and the presented information.
AI Prompt in less than one year: " Mask the subject including lanyard for the device in her hand, give her a colorful Hawaiian floral shirt and have her doing a front toe kick with recovery spin as she continues back in the crouch position...also at the 11 sec mark show the effects on the subject as the environmental lighting changes from night time to full daylight and back again"
MotionVFX sponsors you and pays for your trip to Poland and you ask your audience to believe this video is "unbiased." UA-camrs live in a fantasy world.
This is the exact reason I didn’t offer my opinion whatsoever in this video. Impossible for it to be biased if I don’t state my thoughts on the options. I’d argue making this video in some ways hurts my relationship with MotionVFX as I’m sharing alternative options for people to choose from. Please tell me what part of this video is biased.
Yes, I believe the video is unbiased. I also believe you require a cushion before you take a seat. At some point consumers have to do their own research and come to the best decision and be accountable for their own good or bad decision based on that choice. If you still decide to buy it after you have a trial and then decide you don't like it and blame someone else you're the one who is living in a fantasy world.
These people flew you and the others FCPX gurus to Poland and gave you some goodies in exchange for free promotion on your channel, Now you only get NEGATIVE COMMENTS in your own channel and you have to live and see them every day Bad CHOICE Mate. Great tuts otherwise. Thank you Dylan.
I had negative comments looooong before I ever worked with motionvfx. Going on that trip was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. Also motionvfx told us we didn’t have to make a video about anything on that trip. They just wanted to thank us for sharing their products with their viewers. We all chose to make videos because we had so much fun hanging out with each other! So I have zero regrets. If people want to be mad, they’re welcome to it. But I’m so grateful I didn’t let people’s opinions get in the way of me getting to enjoy a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Hey - Command (Apple) + Click is to delete the selected points you are arrowed over on the canvas. You do not have to redo the entire keying. Alt + Click creates the subtractive zones (as you expressed). Solid video, hopefully improvements in their edge feathering in the future. The outline "glow" edges created by this mask as it stands are pesky! We need more options for greater feathering and spread (+100). I'd also like to see a faster "render", and not having to redo processing if we change a key frame. It's a great start however, a few refinements, and it might be better than MRoto.
Class A Number 1 response. Thank you.
thank you was trying to figure out how to delete points, also awesome they have negative points, honestly for my use cases this is absolutely amazing and one time payment! done! purchased!
@@ChrisCoelho Chris .... I added more commentary. When I am rotoscanning in video ProRes 4444 it will only do 1,000 frames and then stop. That is 16 seconds in earth time. Not much, and a hassle if you are rotoscanning a background out of a 20 minute video. You can drop a keyframe at the end of that 1,000th frame, then re-select and continue on, but it is not like mRotoAI, AI Backgrounder, Keypr and maybe others that will do the entire video if that is what you want. mRotoAI slows down tremendously into the rotoscan run and actually wiser to split the clip and run each clip, in the end it saves a lot of time. Still no perfect, all-in-one solution that has no subscription, is super fast, lets you do the whole clip, is accurate and gives one the right amount of control. Early day in AI assisted rotoscanning.
Really hoping for an absolute Killer FCP update towards the end of the year that makes all of these plugins obsolete. Final Cut is just dragging behind in so many areas right now. But I am very hopeful that it will very soon be the absolute No Brainer for any Creator and One Person Crew with heightened demands that it has the potential to be!
Honestly this pisses me off so much, that apple lets their customers get ripped off by these 3rd parties
Copium is great in our fcpx community 😅
@@meyerdigitalfilm Ain't that the truth😅
I switched to DaVinci long ago. I just don‘t see the point in paying 3rd parties for some functions that cost more than the cuttingprogram itself
does resolve have a good roto scope? how much is it? I might just do roto stuff there then export to fcp for edit
@@deareeMusic No cap, I think it can‘t get better. It‘s literally same as perfect green screen and if you got a strong laptop/pc it‘s quick as well. Look up “Magic Mask” honestly it can look overwhelming at first but it’s easy
@@deareeMusic DaVinci has arguable the best rotoscope. I do exactly what you described.
@@bamrainey is it in the free version?
Resolve has a very good rotoscope tool! Definitely a viable option. In some ways, it’s a bit more complex than the options shown in this video, but that comes with the benefits of better refinement.
mRotoAI was cool until I saw it was subscription based. Would've bought it immediately like I have many of their other plugins. Too bad I'll never support companies that take advantage of their customers like that. Sad to see so many going that route in this industry.
Same.
I used Davinci resolve to rotoscope I think it's one of the best by far. I use final cut to do my captions and cut video but I edit in Davinci. In davinci I can group a 5 sec clip and add transitions but in final cut I can't. It doesn't recognize that there's enough time for the transition. Good video.
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean with you can't group in FInal Cut? Also, how do you do captions in Final Cut? That's something everybody is missing.
How do you do captions in Final Cut? Captions is one of the main reasons I have to finish videos outside of Final Cut. Resolve is far superior for captions.
Both look go but I think I'll hold on to see if anyone else enters the market or Apple provide it as part of FCP. I can do this because I don't really need to rotoscope often. Subscriptions? Forget it!!! Too many companies have jumped on the subscription model but most of us can't afford to subscribe to every subscription service. I believe people are moving away from Adobe because of their subscription model. I don't recall any of these companies dropping their prices when downloading overtook software distribution by DVD. Moving to the downloading model must have saved companies like Adobe a small fortune. Just a bit of a Scottish rant! Great video as always Dylan.
Yeah, I'm really hoping for Apple now with the increase in neural engine cores in the M4 to be more aggressive with ML based functions to FCP and do it on device.
I tried root magic but the timeline and button are at 25% opacity, I didn't have luck with it functionally, I found the scene removal to work better, if any wholes show up I figured I could duplicate the video and then use a mask to reveal the original video below the masked video where there are wholes. works pretty good, and is about as fast considering the keyframe oddness
No one likes subscriptions Dylan, wish they switch to buy it outright. By the sounds of Philly's comment below Rotomatic sounds like it's got issues. Did you experience any? and are you running on M1 or intel? Cheers. Great demonstration though. You give it to us in a way we understand. Thanks.
Well, it's all right there. He is using a Mac in this video, clear as day.
i think mRotoAI is clearly superior, but the pricing is such a scam.
Unless the value you get (and have to pay for) for all the other bells and whistles makes it a good deal for you own situation. Your comment is based on one only using mRotoAI and not using, nor needing, the other stuff. You are a customer they do not want nor need, and they are provider you do not want nor need. Both sides are happy.
@@mikkoleivonen2905 MotionVFX is just plain applying anti consumer business practices. The pricing is a scam regardless of how much of the package you use.
Pretty sure that with Rotomatic you can also move the points around to get a better mask
Thanks for this, Dylan. However, a follow-up video to include Keyper would be worthwhile for your viewers, in my opinion. In terms of *speed*, it is unbeatable. I have been using it extensively on *one-hour-duration* videos since its launch and it operates *instantly*. The tracking time for the rotoscoping tools you're reviewing here would *really* add up for longer clips. (Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with the makers of the Keyper plugin. I bought it when it first appeared (on the basis of a video review back then by Mark Spencer of Ripple Training.)
Yeah, Dylan has actually made many videos talking about Keyper, we use it constantly!
it’s definitely an ultra handy tool - however it’s very limited with what you can mask out (can’t mask animals or vehicles, can’t manually add sections or remove sections, etc)
So it’s amazing for using on things like talking heads - but wouldn’t be the best comparison with these two plugins.
But it’s definitely great, even with its limitations!
I wish there was an option to subscribe only to mRotoAI instead of having to subscribe to the whole package, which I won't even use.
Great video! Will you do a likewise review of the Colorfinale roto 2.9 plugin?
Awesome tracker plugin for Final Cut Pro. Thanks
Hi, good video. Unfortunately Rotomatic does not have the ability to invert the mask
one time payment is a no brainer which one to choose from, i'd argue that rotoAI looks a tiiiiny bit better but not enough where $34 a month is worth it so definitely looking to get RotoMatic...hope that they give another update to just finetune a few things like you mentioned.
Thanks Dylan for the video, I didn't even know there was anything else besides mRoto iA. In my opinion, mRoto iA wins in terms of simplicity and easy of use, something close to Davinci Resolve. I would like to see the same comparison in view of the recent update of Color Finale 2.9, where the mask for roto was added for free. Thanks again!
yeah I think it's clear what's better
Well FxFactory's RotoMatic seems to be a one-time purchase, vs mRotoAI being subscription only. Nuff said.
I would say, none of them. For specifically removing backgrounds my favourite tools are object tracking tools in Davinci Resolve Studio and the background remover in capcut.
Background removal in CapCut is crappy it has floating bits etc no way of fine tuning.
@@adrianhepker311 you are right, depends on background as well. In such a scenario, i run a rough background removal in capcut and then export it to fine tune in davinci resolve studio. Gives me perfect results
@@nayyarrazakazmi8386 keyer is still easy to deploy and I’m sure with the next Mac os release more ML API’s will be available to do these things with less effort that would then land up coming to Finalcut
@@adrianhepker311 my friend keyer is even worse than the basic scene removal tool of final cut pro. Again for that price, a low end product like keyper doesn’t do its job well.
@@nayyarrazakazmi8386 seriously it’s only a screen removal . You think it’s something as essential as the blade tool it’s only a small gimmick one seldom uses as many client don’t want job ladden with effects and transitions. Subtle here and there makes sense. Not boom boom and and again and over kill it till it becomes so damb boring and everyone is doing it.
Thank so much ^Dylan!!!
I have issues with rotomatic, if I click any area to add to the mask it goes straight into an infinity pinwheel and I have to close out FCPX and restart every time. I also have spec’d out Mac mini and it’s the only plugin that goes straight to pinwheel when I use it.
I had the same issue on a clip that was a bout a minute long. I broke the clip up into 15 second chunks and it worked.
@@davewhiting9730 nice I’ll give it a try
Watching this video actually has me wanting to fully test out RotoBrush 3 in After Effects. While I do own/use FCP, DR and PP/AE, lately I've been using PP a lot more. Judging from the video, mRotoAI does have the edge on quality. From what I see here, RotoMatic results are unusable. Hoping Adobe can bring some of that AI magic to rotoscoping direct to PP in the future.
RotoBrush 3 is by far the best out of all the options I have used! But it also comes at the cost of being extremely slow and unresponsive. Generally with RotoBrush, I have to do all the roto work, then export that, then re-import, and hide the original Roto layer, just to get decent performance. But if you're needing the absolute best (especially when working with hair) that's where I would go!
I have downloaded and been working extensively with this. In trial mode, after 1,000 frames, it stops working despite it being advertised as fully functional in trial mode plus the addition of a small watermark overlay. Do you know if this a limitation on the trial version, or is this frame limitation also in force in the paid version?
That’s a better question for FxFactory support! I only have had the full version, never used the trial.
@@TheFinalCutBro OK .. Dylan thanks for answering. So, according to them, here is their response and something very critical that should be included in your review. This is a huge limitation as, in my case, it can only render 30 seconds of video before it stops. Imagine have to cut up a 30 minute video to 30 second segments and rotoscope each one separately .... from FX Factor ... "There is a limit of 2000-2500 frames that the system can process in one pass. You can cut the media into chunks and work on them individually."
@@mikkoleivonen2905 oh that’s really good to know! I never ran into that limitation, as I’ve generally only needed to Roto for a couple seconds here and there. Thanks for sharing!
Hi!! Somewhat unrelated to this but I have no one else to ask.
Do you know if there is a way to add the “audio” movement behavior on a drop zone and publish it as a generator to FCP? This is so that I can then link it to an audio from FCP instead of doing it in motion.
I hope that makes sense. When I’ve tried publishing the Audio behavior, I only get a checkbox in FCP that says “Audio” so I’m unable to link it to an audio source in FCP. Thanks in advance!
Unfortunately you are facing the exact same question I had ages ago! I did months of research, and unfortunately, I just did not find a way to do it. It seems audio just can’t work with Motion templates. There’s so many amazing plugins I would make if it were possible.
I have sent in a request for this to work, but I have no idea if it’s even on the radar of future releases. Maybe someday!
Thank you so much, I appreciate your quick response. I’ll have to wait until then I guess
Da Vinci Resolve Studio is $295 for life and has arguably an even better roto tool built in (as well as so much more). MRoto AI is $348 for 1 year.
@@RyanKorea but so much time lost on the DVR performance. Time is money ;) no editing software is faster than fcp
I'd get mRotoAI if it weren't a subscription, but I just can't (and won't) pull the trigger on that.
Cool comparison. But those are Huskies, they are dogs, not wolves. ;)
For sounds sub.
For plugin sub.
For video effects sub.
Wtf i need to pay like 30€ per month for everything?^^
Not giving an opinion leaves you with the option of one of them sponsoring you. Clever but would have liked your honest review instead of leaving room for sponsors
If I gave an honest review, I would be getting comments about how I’m biased.
So I can’t really win either way. I just decided the best alternative is to let viewers decide for themselves off of actual results, and the presented information.
Costa troppo
costs too much
Price very High
AI Prompt in less than one year: " Mask the subject including lanyard for the device in her hand, give her a colorful Hawaiian floral shirt and have her doing a front toe kick with recovery spin as she continues back in the crouch position...also at the 11 sec mark show the effects on the subject as the environmental lighting changes from night time to full daylight and back again"
MotionVFX sponsors you and pays for your trip to Poland and you ask your audience to believe this video is "unbiased." UA-camrs live in a fantasy world.
This is the exact reason I didn’t offer my opinion whatsoever in this video. Impossible for it to be biased if I don’t state my thoughts on the options. I’d argue making this video in some ways hurts my relationship with MotionVFX as I’m sharing alternative options for people to choose from. Please tell me what part of this video is biased.
@@TheFinalCutBro I actually wish we had your input in this video
Yes, I believe the video is unbiased. I also believe you require a cushion before you take a seat. At some point consumers have to do their own research and come to the best decision and be accountable for their own good or bad decision based on that choice. If you still decide to buy it after you have a trial and then decide you don't like it and blame someone else you're the one who is living in a fantasy world.
It looks unbiased to me.
@@TheFinalCutBro Make it biased, I don't care. I'll make up my own mind and don't need hand holding either way. Good review like all of yours are.
These people flew you and the others FCPX gurus to Poland and gave you some goodies
in exchange for free promotion on your channel,
Now you only get NEGATIVE COMMENTS in your own channel and you have to live and see them every day
Bad CHOICE Mate.
Great tuts otherwise.
Thank you Dylan.
I had negative comments looooong before I ever worked with motionvfx. Going on that trip was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made.
Also motionvfx told us we didn’t have to make a video about anything on that trip. They just wanted to thank us for sharing their products with their viewers.
We all chose to make videos because we had so much fun hanging out with each other! So I have zero regrets. If people want to be mad, they’re welcome to it. But I’m so grateful I didn’t let people’s opinions get in the way of me getting to enjoy a once in a lifetime opportunity.
What's the matter, can't you decide anything for yourself, or do you go crying to mama when somebody joins a company on a trip..