I did my own suspension (sans re-valving), because the people who work in the industry did the job wrong. There is more information in the owners manual. I am going to be nice, and stop right there.
Can I buy and ride a bike with out being in your little "community"? That crap is for commune----------ism. I ride dirt bikes to get away from you people. :)
Thanks for the props! There’s definitely a lot of work that goes into these videos, especially this suspension one, so thanks for recognizing that. Many more to come!
This was actually killer, raised my stanchion 7mm reset all my tuning valves to the base mentioned, thing will hook up on the trail better now I hope and actually turn in. Sweet vid.
Awesome tips!.. I tweaked my front end the other day when I flipped my bike. The guys told me to whack the wheel against a tree and that got me going but was not perfect. I got home and removed everything(forks/wheel etc..). Even after reinstalling it feels funny. I will look at the pinch bolts today and try that brake procedure. Gotta love tech tips AND SAFETY GOGGLES!!! LOL
Just loosen the axle clamp bolts, the upper and lower fork clamps ...this will relieve any load on the forks caused by a crash, hard landings and / or improper assembly in the first place. Move handlebars from side to side and wiggle tire side to side just a bit. Tighten axle nut, then lower fork clamps , axle clamps, and then upper, do this one more time and the forks and axle will find their true positioning unloaded and off you go. Torque everything accordingly. Too tight and it can cause binding.
Awesome guys awesome, you guys give a lot of tips guys. Last four or five years I'm trying to get suspensions setup but I couldn't much. After this video I got superb confidence to do the setup. Continue guys. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
I really liked the fluid comparison of hours of use. I’ve always been a little skeptical of maintenance schedules cause I often get away with letting them go but then wonder why all of a sudden I have a leak. Very good hourly comparison 👍🏻
Funny - I've subscribed to your channel for over a year and have been a big fan. This might be the best video I've seen from MXF. Granted, I've been researching servicing my 4CS forks. Great vid.
Loved 🥰 it. Rarely watch a whole video, but I sat through this, great video by both of you. Don’t normally like being lectured to but I didn’t mind this time
Im appreciate your Vidoes so much! Ive done alot of research in the past years with everythin which has to do with dirtbikes and im still getting some realy good new information and tipps which are so helpful and important! Especially right now with the oil wear comparisons!! I couldnt get any infos about the exact oil wear and how and how much it wears in a certaim amount of time, so i can set my oil change priorities. Thanks so much Vital and 812 Suspension! Greetings from Nuremberg, Germany
Good video. I like the part at the end where you say “It’s probably not the bike, it’s the rider”. So tired of these young guys at the track blaming the bike for their inability. lol
for 8:30 over torque of triple clamps... if you over torque will it ruin the fork for life or can you simply loosen and set correct torque and have the forks move freely again?
Question - 2:09 in the video you say more clicks = stiffer. If you're bottoming out (going clockwise) to start, then counting clicks out, aren't you reducing compression with each click out (counter-clockwise), or the more clicks, the LESS compression? Reducing compression should make it LESS stiff? All the way in (clockwise) is closing the orifice, basically blocking the fluid movement to the max, which would be the max amount of compression. Or are the settings on the SFF fork backwards from most forks?
I love my 812 suspension, the attention to detail is second to none. If you knew Doc, you would know that attention to detail, it is what he is all about!
New sub. Great channel. Back into mx bikes after about 30 years. Picked up a 2007 YZ250 and realizing suspension has changed a lot since back in the day.
awesome video, I had no idea that the fluids needed to be changed so often. I have always waited for the seals to blow before I changed fluid. Now I know.
Seriously thanks for this video, I have always thought that my riding was just getting sloppy towards the end of my riding season. Now I have a feeling that my suspension may just be needing new oil.
Hello,great video,can you help me with harsh suspension on ktm 250 sxf 2016(aer 48 fork),I’ve tried with exact positioning of both forks and same result,after driving,I’m dead,my hands hardly feel 😁,but I’m beginner,I thought I’m out of shape for this kind of sport,but when I looked on my friends bike,my suspension is much harder,so what can be be the issue?
When your talking about triple clamp torquing and you say they torque it then then check again. Are u staying torque the bolts to torque and do each one once? I go back and check the torque as I find when your pinching the forks the one u are torquing throws off the other bolt then u have to go back and torque it again as it’s loose no where close to torque
So the 10/18 for the front forks is standard for all bikes? I have a 2020 Honda crf250r I know nothing about suspension set up and I’m trying to get my bike to a “home base” if you will.
Excellent video : ) Not happy and cant figure my forks out though. KTM 250 exc 2004 ...changed bushes, seals and tried different amounts of 10w fork oil....makes no difference. Clickers com & dam dont make the slightest bit of difference as it still feels "Boingey" like a pogo stick. I will try thicker oil but cant understand why the clickers aren't making any difference at all. Any thoughts or advice extremely welcome.
Very help-full I have a 2015 Husky FE 501, riding in the PNW and racing in NMA hare scrambles/off road and I find my forks pushing me off the trail, I’ve messed with the top clickers only, I’m going to raise the fork a bit to see if the bike turns tighter.
I was a fanatic about my suspension and brakes......any motor has more than enough power......if you can learn how to really dial in suspension for your tracks it makes pretty big difference....I wrote down all settings I used for each specific track and condition ( if rough, avg or smooth that day)
great vid very informative and covering items my shop manual does not. my only criticism is the screw driver used to alter clicker position was a dodgy fit, it needed to have a thicker blade to fit the slots better other wise damage can occur to the screw head. I know there is not a lot of pressure applied and that most would not care about the damage. IMO it is best to have the tool that fits best for any job.. thanks for the vid it was good to watch.
Great starting point for 2005 plus bikes,on my crf 450 2010 work great but on yz450f steel frame all same just on rear shock works good on 5 clicks out down rebound
2:12 Are you sure that "more clicks" counterclockwise give stiffer forks? KTM manual for example says 18 clicks - Comfort, 15 - Standart and 12 - Sport. I presume sport means stiffer. The same on 5:00 fo the rear shock.
Thanks guys! I finally decided to chase my dreams and buckled down and bought me a real MX bike. The bike is a used bike and i got it for a good price, the suspension has been done by Pro Circuit before and has alot of aftermarket stuff on it. This video really helped me get started on getting the bike tuned to me. The sag is set pretty close, but i get alot of head shake at high speed that about rips my arms off, gonna experiment with fork height and see if that helps! Can't wait to get the chance to come to MX Factory one day! Maybe the young kids will laugh at the old guy learning! Update: I adjusted everyrhing on my CRF250R to your settings as a baseline to try and all I can say is WOW! I found the setting insanely off from what they should be and now its sooo good. It eliminated the head shake and it jumps so much better now. Gave me confidence to finally send my bike for my personal longest jump! It finally sits on power on exit now and gives me so much confidence to grab all the throttle! I can't thank you guys enough for making this video!
not sure if mentioned in other comments but another hugely important tip is to slide the rear shock bump stopper up and clean and dry the crud in there . a quick spray of wd40 too . Its amazing how quickly the shock shaft rusts when the rubber bump stop is soaked in water .
That plated shaft should not rust unless the hard plating was done in china. It is not the plating that is rusting, but the steel underneath , and coming thought a hole or crack in the plating.
In what scenario would someone use aftermarket high flow valves in forks? I assumed for light riders but couldn’t you adjust rebound clickers on fork or not quite the same?
is it safe to rotate the upper tubes on the forks 90 degrees when the forks are set up on the bike, for example if i want to change the facing of the fork protection stickers, i have a ktm 300 exc 2012
Need some help most of guys riding dirt i notice smaller guys i am 6.3 tall weight 260 some people saying i need to upgrade the suspension what do you recommend
You mentioned woods riding and steering. You need to also address deep loose sand like the Dunes along Lake Michigan. For that the rear tire must be screwed through the rim and the pressure lowered to 2 psi on a very very stiff six ply 4.50 knobby. I always run about 4 to 6 psi in the woods as you never know what you will encounter as far as mud and sand.
It won’t get stiffer or softer from adjusting high speed compression. Stiff or soft comes from clickers, the actually shock spring, and internal valving. All the high speed does is change the way a shock takes a high speed hit. So if you turn it in all the way, it will get stiffer on high speed hits.
I work in the Suspension industry and this is actually a very informative vid with some very key points on suspension set up
do this apply to my 07 yz450
@@3dwezzy740 year 🙂 at least enough that you would be able to manage. 100% champ 👌
instablaster.
@taze shred do you have standard or air forks? I just had this problem with my FC250’s WP air forks and I might have a solution for u
I did my own suspension (sans re-valving), because the people who work in the industry did the job wrong.
There is more information in the owners manual. I am going to be nice, and stop right there.
I love Tylar. He's just out here being himself.
I can't thank you guys enough! I'd rather learn right the first time. Now, I'm building my way to be a better rider. Thanks again.
This is the best explained and demonstrated suspension set guide I have seen to date. Thanks.
That guy is full of knowledge. Definitely one of the most informative videos yet. Wish he could help me set up my suspension
It’s all relative to weight and riding conditions.
You can ship your suspension to him 😘 it’s worth it.
Doc is the man! He truly goes above and beyond for the Moto community here in central TX. Love my 812 setup. Great video Mx Factory👍🏽
Can I buy and ride a bike with out being in your little "community"? That crap is for commune----------ism. I ride dirt bikes to get away from you people. :)
Got my suspension done by 812, it's wasn't cheap but this guy knows what he's doing, it feels like a different bike.
Every dirt biker should watch this video
Easily one of my favorite channels! So much great information, I am beyond grateful for the hard work you put into these videos. Thank you 🙏
Thanks for the props! There’s definitely a lot of work that goes into these videos, especially this suspension one, so thanks for recognizing that. Many more to come!
I need to watch this like three more times lol
Cole Anson haha I was thinking the same thing. That guy had definitely spent a ton of time learning about suspension
Right!
nooobs
its wonderful that the video has so much actual content!
Cole Anson yeah, I think that makes 2 of us 😂🤣
This was actually killer, raised my stanchion 7mm reset all my tuning valves to the base mentioned, thing will hook up on the trail better now I hope and actually turn in. Sweet vid.
Awesome tips!.. I tweaked my front end the other day when I flipped my bike. The guys told me to whack the wheel against a tree and that got me going but was not perfect. I got home and removed everything(forks/wheel etc..). Even after reinstalling it feels funny.
I will look at the pinch bolts today and try that brake procedure.
Gotta love tech tips AND SAFETY GOGGLES!!! LOL
Just loosen the axle clamp bolts, the upper and lower fork clamps ...this will relieve any load on the forks caused by a crash, hard landings and / or improper assembly in the first place. Move handlebars from side to side and wiggle tire side to side just a bit. Tighten axle nut, then lower fork clamps , axle clamps, and then upper, do this one more time and the forks and axle will find their true positioning unloaded and off you go. Torque everything accordingly. Too tight and it can cause binding.
This was SUPREMELY informative!! I’m legit surprised!
That's a good looking Walker Seat! Gus is the man, one incredible human. But you already knew that 💪
Awesome guys awesome, you guys give a lot of tips guys. Last four or five years I'm trying to get suspensions setup but I couldn't much. After this video I got superb confidence to do the setup. Continue guys. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Amazing guys appreciate it. You’re the best. Well, done video. Amazing. Keep up the good work.
I really liked the fluid comparison of hours of use. I’ve always been a little skeptical of maintenance schedules cause I often get away with letting them go but then wonder why all of a sudden I have a leak. Very good hourly comparison 👍🏻
Funny - I've subscribed to your channel for over a year and have been a big fan.
This might be the best video I've seen from MXF. Granted, I've been researching servicing my 4CS forks. Great vid.
Loved 🥰 it. Rarely watch a whole video, but I sat through this, great video by both of you. Don’t normally like being lectured to but I didn’t mind this time
Im appreciate your Vidoes so much!
Ive done alot of research in the past years with everythin which has to do with dirtbikes and im still getting some realy good new information and tipps which are so helpful and important!
Especially right now with the oil wear comparisons!!
I couldnt get any infos about the exact oil wear and how and how much it wears in a certaim amount of time, so i can set my oil change priorities.
Thanks so much Vital and 812 Suspension!
Greetings from Nuremberg, Germany
Great information mate.
Question: Why aren't you using a fork brace between the wheel and lower clamp when strapping down the bike during transport.
Best info I’ve seen since Jay Clark . I’ll have to circle back to this a few times
I needed this video so bad xD
my kx125 feels really harsh, and now im pretty sure i know why
Good video. I like the part at the end where you say “It’s probably not the bike, it’s the rider”. So tired of these young guys at the track blaming the bike for their inability. lol
for 8:30 over torque of triple clamps... if you over torque will it ruin the fork for life or can you simply loosen and set correct torque and have the forks move freely again?
Question - 2:09 in the video you say more clicks = stiffer. If you're bottoming out (going clockwise) to start, then counting clicks out, aren't you reducing compression with each click out (counter-clockwise), or the more clicks, the LESS compression? Reducing compression should make it LESS stiff? All the way in (clockwise) is closing the orifice, basically blocking the fluid movement to the max, which would be the max amount of compression. Or are the settings on the SFF fork backwards from most forks?
Great Video!!!! Regarding the clicks for the suspesnion is this for every motocross bike or for only the ones with these type of forks?
thanks
Another classic vid guys......you should make a vid on jetting 2 stroke bikes
I love my 812 suspension, the attention to detail is second to none. If you knew Doc, you would know that attention to detail, it is what he is all about!
True that!
Nobody works harder than suspension guys
New sub. Great channel.
Back into mx bikes after about 30 years. Picked up a 2007 YZ250 and realizing suspension has changed a lot since back in the day.
Thanks for the sub! And yes, it’s changed a ton
awesome video, I had no idea that the fluids needed to be changed so often. I have always waited for the seals to blow before I changed fluid. Now I know.
The part at the end where he showed the hour usage of different oils, that was new to us as well. Pretty cool to see how the oil breaks down though.
Seriously thanks for this video, I have always thought that my riding was just getting sloppy towards the end of my riding season. Now I have a feeling that my suspension may just be needing new oil.
This dude looks and sounds like a young Woody Harrelson. That said, this was a helpful video.
BEST VIDEOS on MX forks ever.
Don't follow the torque method for the clamp bolts or you will find yourself having problems.
Hello,great video,can you help me with harsh suspension on ktm 250 sxf 2016(aer 48 fork),I’ve tried with exact positioning of both forks and same result,after driving,I’m dead,my hands hardly feel 😁,but I’m beginner,I thought I’m out of shape for this kind of sport,but when I looked on my friends bike,my suspension is much harder,so what can be be the issue?
I’ve notified oil on my forks and some accumulating at the bottom. Is this an indication of leaking seals? Or what should I do
Great video guys!
Excellent video.
Such a great video! Thank you!
Yo! what torque wrench are you using at 6:07?
Very informative. Well done!
More please!!! Just awesome! Thank you!
Should the oil weight be changed to help slow rebound or compression? Or should I just stick with manufacture suggestion?
Very useful. excellent subject. Great. Thanks.
These clicker settings your using what style of riding is it for
Mx trails sx?
When your talking about triple clamp torquing and you say they torque it then then check again. Are u staying torque the bolts to torque and do each one once?
I go back and check the torque as I find when your pinching the forks the one u are torquing throws off the other bolt then u have to go back and torque it again as it’s loose no where close to torque
Really great guide. Dudes a mad scientist.
So the 10/18 for the front forks is standard for all bikes? I have a 2020 Honda crf250r I know nothing about suspension set up and I’m trying to get my bike to a “home base” if you will.
Thank you guys. This is good information to have. I liked the cutaway bits too. Helps to simplify things.
Awesome content🤙🏼
Very complete. Thank you!
i love to watch your videos! always fun and educative!
This was superb!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the post and the work to produce it!
we learn a lot from u guys thanks for the effort and every thing
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching!
Can you stiffen up one fork or is that bad ? I want to use bbr springs. But they are way to stiff with both could I run one stock an one bbr ?
Excellent video : )
Not happy and cant figure my forks out though.
KTM 250 exc 2004 ...changed bushes, seals and tried different amounts of 10w fork oil....makes no difference.
Clickers com & dam dont make the slightest bit of difference as it still feels "Boingey" like a pogo stick.
I will try thicker oil but cant understand why the clickers aren't making any difference at all.
Any thoughts or advice extremely welcome.
Good job on the explanation Doc! Keep rockin! Comment comin all the way from Wells Branch!
Very help-full I have a 2015 Husky FE 501, riding in the PNW and racing in NMA hare scrambles/off road and I find my forks pushing me off the trail, I’ve messed with the top clickers only, I’m going to raise the fork a bit to see if the bike turns tighter.
It will definitely help. Let us know how it goes!
I was a fanatic about my suspension and brakes......any motor has more than enough power......if you can learn how to really dial in suspension for your tracks it makes pretty big difference....I wrote down all settings I used for each specific track and condition ( if rough, avg or smooth that day)
great vid very informative and covering items my shop manual does not. my only criticism is the screw driver used to alter clicker position was a dodgy fit, it needed to have a thicker blade to fit the slots better other wise damage can occur to the screw head. I know there is not a lot of pressure applied and that most would not care about the damage. IMO it is best to have the tool that fits best for any job.. thanks for the vid it was good to watch.
and that is against the law😂😂😂😂🖕
Makes me think a little more when strapping down the front end of my bike blown fork seals!? Wow
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Great starting point for 2005 plus bikes,on my crf 450 2010 work great but on yz450f steel frame all same just on rear shock works good on 5 clicks out down rebound
Good video Doc !
2:12 Are you sure that "more clicks" counterclockwise give stiffer forks? KTM manual for example says 18 clicks - Comfort, 15 - Standart and 12 - Sport. I presume sport means stiffer. The same on 5:00 fo the rear shock.
Thank you guys great tips to learn and apply ,great job!!!
Had the 3lack navy/gold before it dropped 😲😍 the best looking kit out hands down
Thanks for this video!!!!
Thanks guys! I finally decided to chase my dreams and buckled down and bought me a real MX bike.
The bike is a used bike and i got it for a good price, the suspension has been done by Pro Circuit before and has alot of aftermarket stuff on it. This video really helped me get started on getting the bike tuned to me. The sag is set pretty close, but i get alot of head shake at high speed that about rips my arms off, gonna experiment with fork height and see if that helps!
Can't wait to get the chance to come to MX Factory one day! Maybe the young kids will laugh at the old guy learning!
Update: I adjusted everyrhing on my CRF250R to your settings as a baseline to try and all I can say is WOW! I found the setting insanely off from what they should be and now its sooo good. It eliminated the head shake and it jumps so much better now. Gave me confidence to finally send my bike for my personal longest jump! It finally sits on power on exit now and gives me so much confidence to grab all the throttle! I can't thank you guys enough for making this video!
Congratulations on realizing that dream! I hope I see you out riding someday.
Great info. Well done
Awesome video !!! Very informative Thank you !!
Where do I find suggested settings to start with for my weight? Does it change for trails vs track?
So you are saying that the oil when the molecules break gets thicker??
or the stiction is a resoult of lack of lubrication?
Great video im assuming 10 comp 18 rebound is a good baseline setting?
Thanks guys great video 👍
not sure if mentioned in other comments but another hugely important tip is to slide the rear shock bump stopper up and clean and dry the crud in there . a quick spray of wd40 too . Its amazing how quickly the shock shaft rusts when the rubber bump stop is soaked in water .
That plated shaft should not rust unless the hard plating was done in china. It is not the plating that is rusting, but the steel underneath , and coming thought a hole or crack in the plating.
I enjoyed the vid!!! I learned a lot!!!!
In what scenario would someone use aftermarket high flow valves in forks? I assumed for light riders but couldn’t you adjust rebound clickers on fork or not quite the same?
Thanks i feel im better already after viewing your video
You torque the same bolts twice and it makes it tighter the second time?
Great video, thank you 👍🏻
Please, I would like to know, what is type of your front tire what I can see at 5:44, It looks very good, thank you for answear :)
Thanks, just love your videos. So good, so pedagogical. And funny :-)
If you do forks too tight if you havnt got torque wrench, after lowering the bike for smaller rider can it cause forks to leak?
Do a video on how to charge whoops plz
great video guys. I got some new tips from thid for my own bike!!!
another great vlog, thanks guys!
This was great, thanks
is it safe to rotate the upper tubes on the forks 90 degrees when the forks are set up on the bike, for example if i want to change the facing of the fork protection stickers, i have a ktm 300 exc 2012
Great video, thanks for making it.
Thanks for watching it!
This is a fantastic video. Who the hell disliked it
Round Rock Texas? I live a couple miles away from there lol
Need some help most of guys riding dirt i notice smaller guys i am 6.3 tall weight 260 some people saying i need to upgrade the suspension what do you recommend
You mentioned woods riding and steering. You need to also address deep loose sand like the Dunes along Lake Michigan. For that the rear tire must be screwed through the rim and the pressure lowered to 2 psi on a very very stiff six ply 4.50 knobby. I always run about 4 to 6 psi in the woods as you never know what you will encounter as far as mud and sand.
Nice vid. Right to the point and very little BS.
Excellent video, one question, about the high speed shock. Will my shock get stiffer or softer if I turn it in all the way in-clockwise?
It won’t get stiffer or softer from adjusting high speed compression. Stiff or soft comes from clickers, the actually shock spring, and internal valving. All the high speed does is change the way a shock takes a high speed hit. So if you turn it in all the way, it will get stiffer on high speed hits.
awesoem video! thank you
Great video. Can you now do a video on modifying suspension shim stacks? Thanks!
Isn’t turning clickers counter clockwise making it softer not stiffer???
Negotiations of tight turns, what a rush ;-)
Outstanding VDO
Engineering is the other part of the fun
Very helpful. Thanks.
What type of torque wrench for the axle pinch bolts? thanks for the vid!