Got a 330d f31, had two years and still love it. No problems and puts a smile on my face everytime.Only things I wish I had are pro nav and xenons as headlights are crap
Hi mate f31s are great very practical and look cool I’m the same wish I had had pro nav that’s on the the upgrade list ..the lights arnt great on mine but do the job for the mo quite an expensive upgrade 😎👍
Having had both 320D (181BHP, remapped to 230ish) and 330D xDrive (255BHP remapped to 310ish) I would recommend the 330D every time. The 320D was a great car and very economical when driven accordingly. However the 330D is on another level and is way nicer to drive. Sits so smooth on the motorway with a lovely engine sound and the torque it chucks out is immense. Economy when driven frugally isn’t too far from the 320D 🙌🏻
@spakajo Is it a big difference in fuel consumption? What i can found they both the 20d and 30d should have an average fuel consumption of around 43mpg, what did your cars get? :)
Interested to know too about mpg figures. My new job will require me to drive 30 miles to work on the motorway and want something fast and frugal I'd say at least 55mpg on the motorway. I have a vw up and was looking at the GTI 1 litre turbo model though after seeing these BMW and Mercedes diesels I'm now looking at that
@zaink7037 hello mate to be honest that 30d was amazing on diesel for what it was I also do 30 miles to work and it was pulling over 50 mpg when sensible 💪
@@BMWFAMuk appreciate the fast reply. That's not bad. Think my up gets around near 60mpg but sure your 330d can achieve something like that and with so much more power to use
I had a E60 535d Lci M Sport with intercooler upgrade, both hybrid turbos and remapped to 400bhp but unfortunately had to sell after 2 years due to ULEZ. Anyway replaced with E90 Alpina D3 MT with 240bhp and then E90 D3 BiTurbo. Both of which are based on a 2ltre engine and can honestly say I don't miss the 3litre twin turbo on day to day basis. The 2ltre cars give me more than enough power for a daily car most of which spent on motorway yet the mpg return and saving on fuel is almost double.
@330dfam Yes, agree the smoothness of the 6 cylinder is way better than the 4 pot which is partially why I decided to then move up to E90 Alpina D3BT (coming from a twin turbo set up of a 535d also played a part as who doesn't like more turbos lol) but the fuel return has amazed me. I think a winner for BMW would have been be a BiTurbo 2.0 ltr diesel. They did sell the 125d/ 325d which had this setup but they aren't common. I will always be a in line 6 fan, before the diesels I had dailed E46 330Ci, 330Ci Clubsport and E46 M3 and prefer E30 325i with 2.7 engines over E30 M3 with a 4 Pot but for a daily I'm swaying to 320d.
Sold my 125d which was a lovely clean quick car. But the 330d I bought is lovely to drive and smooth. It sounds so much better to. Great on fuel so I certainly wouldn't buy 2.0 d . Like you say test drive and you will buy 330 all day.
Hi mate if you can afford the extra it’s a no brainer the 125ds are great little car but the 30ds are the next level hard to go back to four when you have had six 👍😎
Hello, i look to buy an 125d or 330d, Is it a big difference in fuel consumption? What i can found they both the 25d and 30d should have an average fuel consumption of around 43mpg, what did your cars get? :)
My first beamer was a E36 318is, then an e36 325i then the e39 525d....I loved the straight 6 smoothness but always wanted a 30d! Just bought an e92 sport plus 330d with the zf6 box......
Hi mate you picked it up then looked like a lovely car from that trader link you sent me great spec and colour..ps had an e36 325 myself loved the big six smooth and still pretty quick by today’s standards 😎👍
@@BMWFAMuk the wheels are finally on the car, had the 19's done in a near standard appearance but I didn't want diamond cut as it won't last long....so I had them done shadow chrome.....I'm hoping to collect Sunday! Can't wait to be back in one of the greatest straight 6s ever made....(chill out JDM guys I'm talking diesel)
@@patrickwilliment2462 if your local that would be an excellent choice, we got the misses done locally just a generic map along with dpf delete, made a world of difference 👍🏻
After owning a 20d now and a 30d before just get a 30d mpg isn't much different and it's a much better fit for a bmw the 20d is "decent" the 30d is fantastic
All the 2ltr bmw engines seem to suffer with timing chain tensioner issues even the petrols, apart from the new b series engines. Id avoid them like the plague. Check out bmw doctor's last couple of vids and what he thinks on them 😆
Been thinking between 320D and a 330D F31s. I know the 330D is the no brainier, but in my situation as a 31 yr old in London my insurance quotes are £2.1k vs £1.4k. Is it really worth the extra £700 a year? Strangely you can find a low mileage / nicely spec’s 320D for about £18k and a 330D for £22k, so would be saving some more there too.
Hi mate all depends what you what and what type of miles you do if you test drive both you would want the 30d from a driving experience point of view them extra cylinders count ..but is that important to you because a 20d is still a great car ..I’m on the motorway a lot so the 30 suites me maybe if your more town the 20 is a better option and yes cost is a massive part ..hence why I didn’t go for a 35 ad I could get a lower mileage 30 for thousands less ..and mapped its standard 35 figures 👍
I've got a budget of around 10k, wife insists I need split seats so only looking at those on autotrader. For my budget I can get a fairly low mileage (65000 miles) nice spec 320d or a high mileage (120000+) 330D. There are some private sale 330d's nearer my budget but they're miles from where I live and I'm worried about buying a lemon and having no recourse. Would the higher miles on a 330d push you towards a 320d if your budget was the issue or is the 330d solid enough that high miles isn't really an issue? I know around 130k the chains tend to need replacing and that doesn't sound cheap. My heart says 330d but my head says 320d :)
Hi mate thing is the chains are more common on the 20d still do go on a 30d not as common tho ..we’ll maintained 30ds are ok ,.me personally I’d wait try and get a bit more money together and get the 30d ,,,20ds are great but there’s a huge difference between the two 😎👍
I'll start off by saying I never considered anything else beyond the 30d when I looked at F30s. After moving from a 6-pot N52 in my 330i (and then some Hondas before that), I realised my choice is foremost about the lump up front and how it's engineered and how it sounds and of course how it responds. I always saw myself heading for a smooth six and was prepared to pay the price for this. I traded miles for smiles. Now full respect to the 20d - great engine if you look after it. My specialist mate suggests getting the chain done on those by about 80-90 K as a precaution. But at the end of the day (unless your car is just a means to an end) it's the difference between perfectly good vs bloody fantastic.
Hi maté completely agree I have a massive love for the bmw six petrol or diesels it’s what it’s all about for me I think the average person who isn’t necessarily into cars or the brand a 20d is great however the 3L is that bit closer to the ultimate driving machine ..timing chain issues are enough to put me off in all honesty I know it can happen with ours ☹️
I'm happy with 20d ok performance decenr mpg for the long drives I do. Nice spec same colour as yours. Thinking about a remap.. you think it's worth it?
Hi mate I’d defo go for a map on the 20d night and day difference performance and mpg great cars check the vid out on how fast to 60 mine is with the map 😎👍
I’d go for bosh, any decent motor factor should stock them 👍🏻u might have to change the clip to the arm but it will come with the wiper if u go for a decent brand
@@BMWFAMuk I'll have to have a look into it. I had a 330d RWD, and I loved it, but now I've got the 330D xdrive, and I feel like it puts the torque down on the road better. But RWD is fun too! :-)
I’ve been in an x drive 330d and to be fair they do put the power down really well x drive mapped will be mega off the line ..rwd is fun but is nice to out that torque down 😎👍
@@BMWFAMuk I've started looking into the remap already since your comment! Cheer mate! I'm with you totally on the straight six, its the effortless power that is so appealing.
@@jamessullivan4981 20ds are great cars and mapped they are quick the big six mapped is a monster and 35ds mapped are nuts ..yeah do your research pick someone who knows what there doing and go for it more power better mpg 😎👍
@@BMWFAMuk the 325d was my first owned Bmw, before that the last one I drove was a new 635 csi in the 70’s. I had company cars since. I would never consider a 4 or 3 pot !
2015 535d, mapped to 375hp. If anything it's too fast as its very easy to reach speeds that would be very bad news to be caught at. Agree though, get the 3.0!
I think if your munching the miles the big 6 up front will always be superior to the 320d in my opinion because they work way more efficiently than a 2 ltr on a run altho the 2ltr better round town but always 330 or 335 for me👌
Have you noticed a strange vibration noise in the car when stopping at idle in traffic ? goes away when driving off but comes back intermittently when back at idle? It sounds like you have it too but Iv never managed to find what it is
Hi mate haha there’s loads of little noises I thinks the one you mean is the engine cover if I open the lid it vibrates push it down it goes away also the cold air intake can vibrate to 😩
@@AK-ph5rs it’s annoying I’ve just tried to except maybe a screw or self tapper in the air feed could work I just try to think it’s a dirty old diesel and give it the benefit 😂
@@BMWFAMuk I think it's because I owned one. But I'll be honest if I went back in time, I think I would have got the 330d I saw which was a bit cheaper but spec wise fully loaded. I got blinded by the 35d engine haha. Because if you map the 30d it's a beast anyways
Im considering getting a 330d but with me living 4 miles from work, will the engine have enough time to get up to temperature? Would it be a bad idea getting a diesel with living so close to work?
Hi buddy to be fair the 330d wouldn’t be fully warmed up at 4 Mike’s mine normally takes around 10 15 to get warmed up u could also get dpf issues with lots of short low speed town driving..depends if you go out on regular drives that would help ..I always said if I worked local I’d go for a 340i 😎👍
If that’s the only journey you will be doing in it, It may be, it’s a big discussion as the dpf may block up, ideally diesels need a run, saying that Iv ran the 03 e46 m57 on about the same daily journey for 3-4yrs never had a problem, but I have done the egr/swirl flap delete on it and do give it a good run every other week at lest, if it’s a newer model, you may want to consider doing at least a DPF delete on it if u never go on long journeys or don’t have a heavy right foot😂. if u only do 4miles a day maybe s petrol might be better, I’d hate to recommend a car needs the dpf cleaning every 12 months or so😎👍🏻
@330d fam 😎 my inner child haha had just test drove the 435d when a salesman was pulling the 140 into the showroom, the exhaust note caught my attention haha took it for a test drive, knew instantly I was buying it.
Got a 330d f31, had two years and still love it. No problems and puts a smile on my face everytime.Only things I wish I had are pro nav and xenons as headlights are crap
Hi mate f31s are great very practical and look cool I’m the same wish I had had pro nav that’s on the the upgrade list ..the lights arnt great on mine but do the job for the mo quite an expensive upgrade 😎👍
Having had both 320D (181BHP, remapped to 230ish) and 330D xDrive (255BHP remapped to 310ish) I would recommend the 330D every time.
The 320D was a great car and very economical when driven accordingly.
However the 330D is on another level and is way nicer to drive. Sits so smooth on the motorway with a lovely engine sound and the torque it chucks out is immense. Economy when driven frugally isn’t too far from the 320D 🙌🏻
Totally agree mate great comment 😎👍
@spakajo Is it a big difference in fuel consumption? What i can found they both the 20d and 30d should have an average fuel consumption of around 43mpg, what did your cars get? :)
Interested to know too about mpg figures. My new job will require me to drive 30 miles to work on the motorway and want something fast and frugal I'd say at least 55mpg on the motorway. I have a vw up and was looking at the GTI 1 litre turbo model though after seeing these BMW and Mercedes diesels I'm now looking at that
@zaink7037 hello mate to be honest that 30d was amazing on diesel for what it was I also do 30 miles to work and it was pulling over 50 mpg when sensible 💪
@@BMWFAMuk appreciate the fast reply. That's not bad. Think my up gets around near 60mpg but sure your 330d can achieve something like that and with so much more power to use
I had a E60 535d Lci M Sport with intercooler upgrade, both hybrid turbos and remapped to 400bhp but unfortunately had to sell after 2 years due to ULEZ.
Anyway replaced with E90 Alpina D3 MT with 240bhp and then E90 D3 BiTurbo. Both of which are based on a 2ltre engine and can honestly say I don't miss the 3litre twin turbo on day to day basis.
The 2ltre cars give me more than enough power for a daily car most of which spent on motorway yet the mpg return and saving on fuel is almost double.
I just found it was the smoothness of the straight six that won me over
@330dfam Yes, agree the smoothness of the 6 cylinder is way better than the 4 pot which is partially why I decided to then move up to E90 Alpina D3BT (coming from a twin turbo set up of a 535d also played a part as who doesn't like more turbos lol) but the fuel return has amazed me.
I think a winner for BMW would have been be a BiTurbo 2.0 ltr diesel. They did sell the 125d/ 325d which had this setup but they aren't common.
I will always be a in line 6 fan, before the diesels I had dailed E46 330Ci, 330Ci Clubsport and E46 M3 and prefer E30 325i with 2.7 engines over E30 M3 with a 4 Pot but for a daily I'm swaying to 320d.
Great content mate, i have the f30 330d it's an amazing machine absolutely love it.
Hello mate thanks for the support and yea amazing for a diesel 😎👍
@@BMWFAMuk brilliant mate 👌
Sold my 125d which was a lovely clean quick car. But the 330d I bought is lovely to drive and smooth. It sounds so much better to. Great on fuel so I certainly wouldn't buy 2.0 d . Like you say test drive and you will buy 330 all day.
Hi mate if you can afford the extra it’s a no brainer the 125ds are great little car but the 30ds are the next level hard to go back to four when you have had six 👍😎
Hello, i look to buy an 125d or 330d, Is it a big difference in fuel consumption? What i can found they both the 25d and 30d should have an average fuel consumption of around 43mpg, what did your cars get? :)
I went for the m4 f92 stage 2 remap upgraded exhaust a downpipes it’s an animal
Awesome mate fancy one of them myself
My first beamer was a E36 318is, then an e36 325i then the e39 525d....I loved the straight 6 smoothness but always wanted a 30d! Just bought an e92 sport plus 330d with the zf6 box......
Excellent choice, the wife has a 92 30d as u can see on the Chanel, definitely recommend getting it mapped 😎👍🏻
Hi mate you picked it up then looked like a lovely car from that trader link you sent me great spec and colour..ps had an e36 325 myself loved the big six smooth and still pretty quick by today’s standards 😎👍
@@Tom-dz7of who do you recommend doing it? I heard dark side developments are pretty good?
@@BMWFAMuk the wheels are finally on the car, had the 19's done in a near standard appearance but I didn't want diamond cut as it won't last long....so I had them done shadow chrome.....I'm hoping to collect Sunday! Can't wait to be back in one of the greatest straight 6s ever made....(chill out JDM guys I'm talking diesel)
@@patrickwilliment2462 if your local that would be an excellent choice, we got the misses done locally just a generic map along with dpf delete, made a world of difference 👍🏻
330d 😎👍
After owning a 20d now and a 30d before just get a 30d mpg isn't much different and it's a much better fit for a bmw the 20d is "decent" the 30d is fantastic
Hi mate the 20d is a great motor but the 30d is next level on all levels of people can afford the 30 it’s a must 😎👍
@@BMWFAMuk I chose spec in a 20d over a 30d wish I'd got a 30d with worse spec
All the 2ltr bmw engines seem to suffer with timing chain tensioner issues even the petrols, apart from the new b series engines. Id avoid them like the plague. Check out bmw doctor's last couple of vids and what he thinks on them 😆
Still a great car maybe look at a trade in the future for a 30d😎👍
Hi mate yeah seen that with the petrol engines..I’ve heard mixed things about that bmw doc 😂
Been thinking between 320D and a 330D F31s. I know the 330D is the no brainier, but in my situation as a 31 yr old in London my insurance quotes are £2.1k vs £1.4k. Is it really worth the extra £700 a year?
Strangely you can find a low mileage / nicely spec’s 320D for about £18k and a 330D for £22k, so would be saving some more there too.
Hi mate all depends what you what and what type of miles you do if you test drive both you would want the 30d from a driving experience point of view them extra cylinders count ..but is that important to you because a 20d is still a great car ..I’m on the motorway a lot so the 30 suites me maybe if your more town the 20 is a better option and yes cost is a massive part ..hence why I didn’t go for a 35 ad I could get a lower mileage 30 for thousands less ..and mapped its standard 35 figures 👍
I've got a budget of around 10k, wife insists I need split seats so only looking at those on autotrader. For my budget I can get a fairly low mileage (65000 miles) nice spec 320d or a high mileage (120000+) 330D. There are some private sale 330d's nearer my budget but they're miles from where I live and I'm worried about buying a lemon and having no recourse.
Would the higher miles on a 330d push you towards a 320d if your budget was the issue or is the 330d solid enough that high miles isn't really an issue? I know around 130k the chains tend to need replacing and that doesn't sound cheap.
My heart says 330d but my head says 320d :)
Hi mate thing is the chains are more common on the 20d still do go on a 30d not as common tho ..we’ll maintained 30ds are ok ,.me personally I’d wait try and get a bit more money together and get the 30d ,,,20ds are great but there’s a huge difference between the two 😎👍
I'll start off by saying I never considered anything else beyond the 30d when I looked at F30s. After moving from a 6-pot N52 in my 330i (and then some Hondas before that), I realised my choice is foremost about the lump up front and how it's engineered and how it sounds and of course how it responds. I always saw myself heading for a smooth six and was prepared to pay the price for this. I traded miles for smiles. Now full respect to the 20d - great engine if you look after it. My specialist mate suggests getting the chain done on those by about 80-90 K as a precaution.
But at the end of the day (unless your car is just a means to an end) it's the difference between perfectly good vs bloody fantastic.
Hi maté completely agree I have a massive love for the bmw six petrol or diesels it’s what it’s all about for me I think the average person who isn’t necessarily into cars or the brand a 20d is great however the 3L is that bit closer to the ultimate driving machine ..timing chain issues are enough to put me off in all honesty I know it can happen with ours ☹️
I'm happy with 20d ok performance decenr mpg for the long drives I do. Nice spec same colour as yours. Thinking about a remap.. you think it's worth it?
Hi mate I’d defo go for a map on the 20d night and day difference performance and mpg great cars check the vid out on how fast to 60 mine is with the map 😎👍
@330d fam 😎 sound mate will do. Any problems come from mapping them or is it generally safe
@@danh2310 as long as you go for a decent company that’s insured be all good buddy basically someone who knows what there doing 😎👍
Where can I get a set of the same windscreen wipers?
I’d go for bosh, any decent motor factor should stock them 👍🏻u might have to change the clip to the arm but it will come with the wiper if u go for a decent brand
Had my 330d 6 months, love it but only getting 37mpg 😢
Ahh no mate mad that was get over 50 out of mine 😞
Something wrong there, are you ragging it in Sport mode all the time? Mixed driving in my 2015 330d currently shows 51.7 average…
Looking at a 3od with 120k on it, antyhing i should be wary of other than the chain?
Hi to be honest the chains are the main one maybe take a look at rear sub frame at that mileage for rust 💪
When you put your foot down, the petrol 330i makes you outright smile, but the diseel 330d makes you smirk knowingly.
Hi mate mapped diesel is next level the torque is stunning 👍😎
@@BMWFAMuk I'll have to have a look into it. I had a 330d RWD, and I loved it, but now I've got the 330D xdrive, and I feel like it puts the torque down on the road better. But RWD is fun too! :-)
I’ve been in an x drive 330d and to be fair they do put the power down really well x drive mapped will be mega off the line ..rwd is fun but is nice to out that torque down 😎👍
@@BMWFAMuk I've started looking into the remap already since your comment! Cheer mate! I'm with you totally on the straight six, its the effortless power that is so appealing.
@@jamessullivan4981 20ds are great cars and mapped they are quick the big six mapped is a monster and 35ds mapped are nuts ..yeah do your research pick someone who knows what there doing and go for it more power better mpg 😎👍
I’m picking up my 330d m sport on Saturday, coming from a E90 325d. It’s going to be a night /day experience I’m sure.
Hi buddy yes definitely night and day and if you decide to map it it will crazy compactor the e90 enjoy buddy 👍😎
@@BMWFAMuk the 325d was my first owned Bmw, before that the last one I drove was a new 635 csi in the 70’s. I had company cars since. I would never consider a 4 or 3 pot !
Wow fantastic cars 635 not many left yeah i personally agree bmw is all about the big six 😎👍
2015 535d, mapped to 375hp. If anything it's too fast as its very easy to reach speeds that would be very bad news to be caught at.
Agree though, get the 3.0!
Hi mate I bet there like rockets and agree even the 30d mapped can get up to speed without even feeling it have to keep
One eye on that speedo 👍😎
please advise .. 320 d (2017) vs 330 d( 2016) - will do 1 hour motoway drive ..
Hi mate 20d might be better on fuel 30d won’t be far behind tho go for the 30d mate you will regret it that six cylinder just drives much better 😎👍
Alright lad where around Liverpool shall i go to remap my 330D?
Drw in Kirby are good my mate does them in Southport we have had them on all our cars decent ….cl autos north west 👍
Yeah just bought a 30d and the 3l surge is addictive. By the way how long does your one take to get up to temp?
Hi mate defo agree the torque is fantastic..temp wise in the morning probably takes about 10 15 mins of driving to get up to the half way mark 👍😎
I think if your munching the miles the big 6 up front will always be superior to the 320d in my opinion because they work way more efficiently than a 2 ltr on a run altho the 2ltr better round town but always 330 or 335 for me👌
Hi mate defo agree 20ds are good car and can map to good power but as the saying goes there’s no replacement for displacement 😎👍
325d do have the same 6 cylinder 3 litre but less power
Hi mate not in the f series in the e90s they did 😎👍
@@BMWFAMuk my bad
Have you noticed a strange vibration noise in the car when stopping at idle in traffic ? goes away when driving off but comes back intermittently when back at idle? It sounds like you have it too but Iv never managed to find what it is
Hi mate haha there’s loads of little noises I thinks the one you mean is the engine cover if I open the lid it vibrates push it down it goes away also the cold air intake can vibrate to 😩
@@BMWFAMuk you’re 100% right mine is the engine cover and the cold air intake! Would be good to know how to fix this as mine has got loud overtime🙈
@@AK-ph5rs it’s annoying I’ve just tried to except maybe a screw or self tapper in the air feed could work I just try to think it’s a dirty old diesel and give it the benefit 😂
Yeah get the same issue too it sounds like its coming from the heater fans
@@DubSalvation hi mate I don’t notice it now but a mental block on it 😂👍
6 cylinder diesels are much smoother and keep pulling. If you can afford one I say go for it
Defo buddy so much smoother than a four .defo if you have the cash go for six over four 👍😎
Got to be at least 330d for sure 💪
Thanks the one buddy but you’d prefer the 35d 😂👍
@@BMWFAMuk I think it's because I owned one. But I'll be honest if I went back in time, I think I would have got the 330d I saw which was a bit cheaper but spec wise fully loaded. I got blinded by the 35d engine haha. Because if you map the 30d it's a beast anyways
@@the_jnlt_channel there all good in all fairness mate down to personal choice 35 is an amazing engine and tuned is crazy 😎👍
@@the_jnlt_channel30 and 35 use the same engine just an extra turbo on the 35
True mate that turbo make me all the difference tho 😎👍
Ive got 320i xdrive thinking of getting either 328i or 330d, but I don’t do that many miles so not sure 🤔🤔
Hello mate tough one that if you do go out for spirit drives defo get the 330d the torque will sell itself but the 28 will be nippy 🤷♂️👍😎
350d
Im considering getting a 330d but with me living 4 miles from work, will the engine have enough time to get up to temperature?
Would it be a bad idea getting a diesel with living so close to work?
Hi buddy to be fair the 330d wouldn’t be fully warmed up at 4 Mike’s mine normally takes around 10 15 to get warmed up u could also get dpf issues with lots of short low speed town driving..depends if you go out on regular drives that would help ..I always said if I worked local I’d go for a 340i 😎👍
If that’s the only journey you will be doing in it, It may be, it’s a big discussion as the dpf may block up, ideally diesels need a run, saying that Iv ran the 03 e46 m57 on about the same daily journey for 3-4yrs never had a problem, but I have done the egr/swirl flap delete on it and do give it a good run every other week at lest, if it’s a newer model, you may want to consider doing at least a DPF delete on it if u never go on long journeys or don’t have a heavy right foot😂. if u only do 4miles a day maybe s petrol might be better, I’d hate to recommend a car needs the dpf cleaning every 12 months or so😎👍🏻
@@BMWFAMuk 😂it’s just affording a 340i, sound good and go good tho 😎👍🏻
@@Tom-dz7of I know mate there not cheap just go for an m3 😎👍
It looks like it's going to have to be a Ford focus ST estate then 😁
Went to Bmw to go look at a 435d last week....ended up buying a M140i 😂
Hi mate haha what made you go for the m140 👍
@330d fam 😎 my inner child haha had just test drove the 435d when a salesman was pulling the 140 into the showroom, the exhaust note caught my attention haha took it for a test drive, knew instantly I was buying it.
Haha brilliant mate I will look at one in the future as a second car just the miles I do the 30d is perfect,,ps they do sound fantastic 😎👍