Like some other people have said a cane creek zs49 top cap + making sure the plastic compression ring is install in the right direction solves this issue. Thickest part of the ring should point back towards the saddle. I don't shred as hard as you but no issues so far! Side note they had metal compression rings before but they caused a bunch of issues and headset rattle so they changed to these plastic ones.
@@taylorwillick4273 Yeah blowing the whole headset up is definitely better than having a bit of creeking 😂 I love canyon, but I think they miscalculated a bit with the plastic headset components xD
I follow your chanel and love that you put all these bikes to test under your hands and legs. It's just real confrontation between commercial and what the bike can actually handle. Loving your content this season 🎉
20 year industry vet here, so tired of these cheesy adjustable headsets that come loose, crack the frame, etc. If the headset loosens up (which they do all the time), then the bearings and cups are shifting in the carbon. It should be an industry requirement that all carbon frames use proper press-in cups. If they want adjustability, use a 56/56 ZS setup for maximum space. The customer can then buy options from Works Components, etc if they want a different reach or head angle.
I’m convinced 99% of bikes are made for 60% of riders these days. I’m on my 3rd frame this year with no obvious crash. I know I’m not alone. Pros aren’t the only ones. Cheers for the honest video, I know many people don’t publicize this stuff. 💯
Mate is onto his 3rd Trek Slash in two years. We ride pretty tame trials and I'm on a bike 1/4 of the price. I just don't think they put enough carbon in these things.
MY FW Canyon Spectral was dented on ride 1, it was aluminium, but I contacted Canyon and they sent me a new frame free of charge as a gesture of good will ( This was about a month ago) The service is incredible, Hope you get it sorted!
My Merida One Sixty 600, model 2018, came with Maxxis Minion DHR 27,5X2,40 on both wheels and i changed the back tire with Schwalbe Magic Mary, Super Gravity. Best tire i ever had on my mtb 👍
I have a Geometron G1, I've not broken anything on it. did not even change bearings, and I hd the bike since I built it in late 2019. I have a Chris King headset, still smooth. I'm sure it will last for decades. No plastic parts, there's a metal compression ring, proper cover. I've had Hope Enduro wheels on, no issues with those, now DT Swiss 350 with DT rims. no issues with the hub apart from it stopping working during sub zero temps sometimes, ratchet jamming up in the freehub, so it disengages. So I want something else, maybe I should use oil instead of DT Swiss special grease during the winter. I've never had issues with Pro 4 hub. I've had it happen on a cheap Shimano hub, it could not handle -10C, but that was pure junk. But I had Fox 36 fork on the G1, it was preowned by a suspension mechanic guy, then I had it for few months, creaked horribly, under braking, drops it sounded like I snapped the fork in half, and turning was like riding on twigs. Now I have EXT Era, no such issues.
I had this issue as I have a tapered head tube and a straight Ohlins Crown, in my case my crown race failed so my forks were pressed against the head tube. I changed my crown race to a hope crown race reducer and hope bearing and had no issues since
Yooo Lewis I have a question, I'm about to buy a new pair of tires for my MTB and I'm curious to try a new tire brand What do you recommend for slippery surfaces, counter-slopes, cracked surfaces and which remains pedalable enough?Compounds and carcasses. I see you're using delium. I hope you can give me some advice. Your opinion matters a lot to me and the terrain you ride on is very similar to mine. Thanks and happy shredding🤟🏻
The first thing I did to my Spectral 125 CF is fix the headset issue. The plastic compression ring, spacers and cap are just a horrible choice for the way people are riding these bikes. I found someone from the UK on a Canyon Spectral FB group that machined a proper compression ring and allows for a 40/52mm top bearing to be used instead of the stock 42/52 it came with. So much better!
it's absurd for any bike. But I'm not surprised there are stupid things in the bike industry. I've for a long time. But never seen stupidity in headsets like this.
IMO it looks like a pretty clever design decision making a more easily breakable plastic part to protect the carbon fibre frame which imo would have been broken somewhere around where the plastic part that broke was. It used to be common engineering practice to do this.
Have you seen the Lewis brakes? they look interesting, since you already test stuff, have you considered trying those? They look like Trickstuff brakes but with added features, and improvements. easier bleed. one model even has leverage adjustment, which I've never seen.
What wrong? He just goes hard, pros crack frames as well, yt's/santa's etc. The industry is just full of jizz thats it. He wouldn't have a problem with a Karpiel.
I do have question for u m getting in to mtb i do have one but it feels small for me so m think n get new one but can make my mind between the polygon T8 and the orbea Occam H30 n I know u have Ride both of them and I will love to have you opinion about wish bike I should get Thank you..
Honestly, I have a friend who sent his Canyon Torque back to Canyon 2 times due to excessive linkage play, that developed within 2 weeks. He received a new one every time. After that, he immediately sold the bike.
ive got the spectral 125 al 5 from 2022 (aluminium)(ive had it a year, bought it new) and no problems so far. I know another guy that has never had a problem either
When I went to service the headset on one of my bikes, I found a wad of paint scrapings (from the factory facing the headtube) bunched up under one side of the lower bearing, causing uneven steering. I have had the lower cup of a Cane Creek 40 headset shear, looked rather like your failure here. Replaced it with a CC 110. Glad the bike was not damaged, but after cracking the frame on a steel hardtail, and two aluminum full suspension bikes, I am not interested in a carbon bike... (edit because it posted before I was done writing)
Maybe you could tell us what are the reasons why you sometimes run triple clamp forks and sometimes enduro forks. Are there any benefits for each? I know weight is different but what else?
Question - why dont you use insert in the rear wheel? I ride sharp jagged mountain 95% of my rides and after insert install had 0 punnies in 3 years, before insert at least 5 holes per season
@@noahscrofani3105 Always run dh casing. 60% of punctures where rim dings. I run fat insert, Vittoria type and it has solved all my punctures. Bonus when ripped a plug on my old tire i could ride down the mountain with completely flat tire without fear of busting my rim. I see no downside in insert
@@a.k2156 What DH tires are you using?? Inserts Just add weight, and thats about it tbh. Ive never punctured a DH casing tire, but thats probuably because I replace tires every month.
@@noahscrofani3105 I have tried Magic Mary and Dhr both with dh casing. Dhr seemed bit more resistant to puncture but still had problems. I run my tires to the end so swapping them every month would definitely help :D With in insert i had same dhr in the rear for two seasons now, sides are starting to wear down so they are ready for a swap. I am a bigger guy and like i said my home mountain is pile of big jagged rocks. Dh casing wont help much when you get a snakebite or case a hop on a massive rock when you are 220lbs unless you run a stupid high pressures. Just my two cents
Yes, it can happen when you stick a much longer DC fork into a frame designed for a SC fork with a specific limit of axle to crown length. The increased load through the bigger leverage ratio can actually, in a worst case scenario, rip the entire head tube off and send you to the ICU. Luckily, only that cup blew up.
Go X01/XX1 if you can afford it. I have gx on my cross country and XX1/X01 on my All Mountain. Can tell a difference in shifting feel and smoothness, plus it is lighter and looks better. I went with copper chain and cassette. Custom builds are the way to go IMHO. These specced bikes always cheap out on something.
I had a friend I rode with who was brutal on equipment. We rode the same terrain, similar weight, and similar speed. But he would go through parts at 3 times the rate of me and broke almost every frame he ever had. I broke a few admittedly too. 😅
Maaan, the bike gods are against you!! Maybe you should try the specialized Enduro frame next 🤭🤭, i will buy it from you if u dont like it ;) size S3 plz 🙏🏻. So is the cayon rideable with that broken frame? Do you think the dh fork put to much stress on the compressionrings? It must increase the load on the headsets when going from 170 to 200 up front. So enduro frame next up 🤗🤷♂️
i got the canyon torque khaos its snaped in in session too bro i dont know what they are doing but im so sad and in the fork too exactly like you i got it in video when its snapped tho its damaged the frame exactly like you
The arcos plastic compression ring is junk. I've broken 2 of them on my 2022 spectral 29er both when I was mid high speed run. Super dangerous. Went back to the original block alloy spacer. Luckily it didn't damage my frame though.
All the internet mechanics here claiming it broke because of the double crown😂 Yea it must not have anything to do with the fact that the compression ring is PLASTIC!😅 And yes, this happened to me with single crown as well. Nothing to do with the fork.
There is/was a version of the torque called the Torque DH CLLCTV that ran a 190mm dual crown up front. I feel like running a 200mm wouldn’t be much of an issue
The torque Al can take a 190mm dual crown but unfortunately the cf models cannot. Pretty unfortunate cus that rig w a dual crown would be a park MACHINE!
The frame is rated for a 200mm dual crown fork, I don't know where the information about the carbon frames not being able to handle a 200mm comes from... And even if they shouldn't be ran with a 200mm dual crown, that to me is no reason for the bike to break. Doesn't put that much more stress on it that it should snap on the first ride lol
@@ironeinarIt actually does. A 200mm fork slackens the head angle significantly and puts more stress on the headtube, especially when you are jumping things to flat. This is why frames have max fork travel ratings.
A friend of mine (who is 13) blew his headset on his Spectral CF exactly the same way on his first bikepark day... Then he got a new headset from some other manufacturer, gotta ask him which next time I see him, and put some 180mm Factory 38s and a Factory Float X2 on the bike lol Didn't even know that the X2 is made with the right stroke to fit the spectral lol
The way headsets on the newer Canyons are done is really poor. Replaced the one on my Spectral too after it started to make noise after 3 rides. Also replaced the plastic spacers and the stem as well. No issues since then (2 years)
😂 my compression ring had to be replaced straight out of the box. Free second frame on order from canyon for BB crack issue which is apparently resolved on new frame. Fox 38 also blew up all within first 12 months. Still love the bike. Will be really interested to see how this one holds up!
Good edit is that the dji 4 or 3 ? And I'd be great full if you could send me your settings the low light is a lot better than mines thanks In advance Hugh.
It looks like you’re still using the original lower headset bearing designed for a tapered steerer with your 1 1/8th triple clamp steerer… unless you installed some kind of reducer crown race then that probably has something to do with it 😂
What is you comparison between this bike and the nukeproof giga which do you think it faster or more planted through rough stuff for a dh style track thanks.
I dont think it really is canyons fault since it seems like the frame is not rated for 200mm fork. Plus it wasnt the frame that failed but the headset. Edit: turns out you can put a 200mm fork on it no problem so I was wrong
Talked to the guy from my local shop about the slash chain thing, and he has not gotten any negative feedback from customers. Now this.. dont think the bikes or the “big manufacturers” are the problem here ..
@@lucamuller6729spot on. Bloke just slaps his sponsors parts on. Fork, more travel than rated. Shock on the trek, longer than rated. But let’s not tell everyone that 🤫
I've heard lots of storys of the plastic adjustable headset of the Spectral CF and the Torque CF failing... I think that the only problem with the cf models are the weird plastic headset components... If it wasn't for the headset, I would've gotten the carbon torque too.
No way! So excited to see you come to Quebec, I live there. It's definitely late in the year for biking but i'm sure you'll have some good fun. Make sure to try the poutine and try not to brake your bike on the plane, your luck lately has been... poor.
Hi, My name is Devin Armstrong I am 15 years of age and live and ride in Whangārei, New Zealand. I recently watched your video on binning the slash and I really think you should try out a gearbox bike if you’re still looking around. I would recommend one from either zerode a company out of New Zealand designing and testing the bikes in Rotorua. Cavalarie a French company using the less common effigear gearbox or viral bikes with their new optimist 160. The chain or belt depending on which company you go with should be impossible to ever drop as the bikes are all technically single speed on the outside. Effigears gearboxes are unable to shift under load however the pinion gearboxes found on the other two bikes can. The optimist 160 is not yet released but is specked with pinions new smartshift gearbox Sean on the gamux dh prototype. Zerode has not yet publicly announced the use of these gearboxes however I have had a chat with them and they expect to be using them in January next year. The suspension performance on all these bikes is next level thanks to the weight of 12 gears, a derailleur and heavy chain being deleted from the back wheel making small bump sensitivity insane as shown in a drop test on zerode’s UA-cam channel. Personally I would recommend a zerode as they have been around for many years and the optimist is viral’s first full sus bike. I think everyone’s riding can be drastically improved on a gearbox driven bike and have recently started a job to save up for a zerode katipō and think gearboxes are the future of cycling especially with pinion’s new technology.
Bummer mate, however, Enduro frame with a downhill fork? I would think Canyon might tell you that it's maybe at your risk? That being the case though I would think the frame is well strong enough, you just toast your warranty. By a Santa Cruz V10 if you really need a full downhill rig and leave those Enduro bikes as they are. That Canyon is more than capable with that single crown 38.
I mean if you also want a bike to do trail rides absolutely that’s a killer jack of all trades, but if you’re strictly going to race downhill, get a downhill bike
Personally I’d buy a secondhand V10 if using solely for DH but if you want Enduro/Trail Santa Cruz Bronson is the frame without a doubt, I wouldn’t recommend any other frame
The track looks amazing. What happens with the frames that snap, do you get a refund or is it just another chunk of money disappearing? Sorry if this has been asked before.
Canyon has a program where you can buy a new frame with a good discount if you break a frame from bike that is less than three years old. For example Torque CF frame costs 1300€.
@@Hilirimpsuti I think you’re wrong….6 year guarantee: “. in addition to the legal warranty you have, we also offer a 6-year guarantee on our frames, seatposts, cockpits, and forks for racing bikes, triathlon bikes and commuter bikes from the date of purchase. The guarantee only covers material and processing defects that already existed on delivery. Any damage by external factors is not covered under guarantee. For example, wear and tear. You must be the original owner of the bike and you can make a guarantee claim up to 6 years from the date of purchase” and 2 year warranty: “A warranty claim is independent of the original owner of the bike. That means, if you’ve bought the bike second hand and it’s less than 2 years old, you can still make a claim.”
@@Hilirimpsutiyes and in addition if the warranty also passes the frame they send it to you for free, I know because I had cracked my frame and they replaced it for me
@@cloudnine7578 Warranty covers only defects not crashed frames. Look for Canyon crash replacement program. I think many other manufacturers have similar replacement programs but they don't necessarelly yell it loud out.
The bike industry badly needs an "iOS 12 update" (which focused on performance and stability instead of shiny new features). A $5K+ product with all the new bells and whistles that breaks after normal use is just not acceptable in most consumers minds, BECAUSE of the high price. Price matters, as much as the industry wants to ignore that. Nobody batts an eye at the thousands of clapped out Capras out there for this reason. (how many of those are broken frames though?) This channel is a testament to the industry just chasing trends instead of improving reliability and longevity (which they would if they actually cared about the climate)
The plastic top cap is at fault. Its just dumb that theyve tried to use a plastic part here. Canecreek zs49 top headset - top cap only - is the part you need.
Owned a few DH & Enduro bikes in my time and to be honest Canyon was probably the worst bike I’ve owned m. I had nothing but trouble with it. Pivot, Yeti, Santa Cruz are all miles better frames wise than Canyon, even Propain frames are better. Canyon are just overhyped in my opinion.
I’ve seen this happen a few times with the dh tourqes I think it’s got sdomethng to do with the tiriple clamp forks even though it comes with them stock
I’d love to see you trying a commnençal clash. It’s also 190mm 27.5 dual crown compatible and can take a 29 160mm single crown up front when you switch to progressive mode. Then it’s 160 front 155 back and in 27 single crown it’s 180 front 170 back in linear mode. Really fun and versatile rig
@@neeooww Friend of mine shreds his absolutely beaut of a Spectral CF with a 180mm 38 and a Float X2 in the back 😂 Absolute Park Machine and it looks more like a Torque than my torque lol He rides like an absolute maniac and he has no issues other than the weird plastic headset which Lew blew out in this video too. Then he changed them out for some other headset that fit...
14:46 It's absurd that it's plastic. Looks like its compression ring and steerer spacer in one, making things tighter, so fork does not wiggle if headset is loose or you take the stem off. But I rather take regular compression ring made of metal. Same with the plastic cover. Releasing a bike with such flaw is absurd.
After a few years , now I know for sure, Angle Adjusting headsets are BS😜👍 Buy your bike just with the right steering angle, and don't risk weakness in a place, where usually is no space to " break around" if every part is round 😁👍‼️
Wow can't believe how many people are commenting about that double crown fork, his fault bla bla without even knowing!? If you dont know, at least do a little google search or something before saying something stupid! Come on! 😅 Really surprised to see you coming in Quebec but yeah, probably had the same treatment as Remy and had more quad lift than pedaling lol apart from MSA and Massif, you have to pedal everywhere here. 😊 Cant wait to see your videos!!
I’ve done 5 compression rings my by torque 😊
Seems like it’s just not me folks😂😂
Like some other people have said a cane creek zs49 top cap + making sure the plastic compression ring is install in the right direction solves this issue. Thickest part of the ring should point back towards the saddle. I don't shred as hard as you but no issues so far!
Side note they had metal compression rings before but they caused a bunch of issues and headset rattle so they changed to these plastic ones.
@@taylorwillick4273 Yeah blowing the whole headset up is definitely better than having a bit of creeking 😂
I love canyon, but I think they miscalculated a bit with the plastic headset components xD
Just done the exact same thing today at Dirt Farm on my Torque. That piece of plastic does not belong in a Cat 5 bike. WTF Canyon
zs49 cap solves this.
Yourself and Aston seem to be the most transparent when it comes to bike reviews. Its much appreciated 👍🏻
I follow your chanel and love that you put all these bikes to test under your hands and legs. It's just real confrontation between commercial and what the bike can actually handle. Loving your content this season 🎉
Thanks a bunch
20 year industry vet here, so tired of these cheesy adjustable headsets that come loose, crack the frame, etc. If the headset loosens up (which they do all the time), then the bearings and cups are shifting in the carbon. It should be an industry requirement that all carbon frames use proper press-in cups. If they want adjustability, use a 56/56 ZS setup for maximum space. The customer can then buy options from Works Components, etc if they want a different reach or head angle.
That's an extra cost, component, labour and QC check though. It also prelongs the frame life which is bad
You nailed it. Expensive frames that come with cheap headset are a huge FAIL in the industry!!
Mate I love your stuff but I'm starting to think the problem is you haha, you break bikes like no one else lmao
No, its the typical problem with canyon torque with dh forks. The headset brakes loose. Seen alot of those break
I kinda like this. We make requests for Lewis to test the durability of.
Because bikes are built so cheap and nasty these days can’t believe ppl can’t c what what is happening maybe u just refuse to accept it 😂🤣🫠🐑
@@118pickle Meanwhile, my S Works Enduro dating 06 is still going strong. ;) M5 Aluminum
@@sankaplays3098 exactly don’t make them like they used to
I’m convinced 99% of bikes are made for 60% of riders these days. I’m on my 3rd frame this year with no obvious crash. I know I’m not alone. Pros aren’t the only ones. Cheers for the honest video, I know many people don’t publicize this stuff. 💯
Maybe you should buy the $20,000.00 bike instead of just the $10,000.00, lol.
@@EndoftheBlock7224 I don’t think increased price means increased durability… often it’s the opposite once a certain price point is reached. 😬
Mate is onto his 3rd Trek Slash in two years. We ride pretty tame trials and I'm on a bike 1/4 of the price. I just don't think they put enough carbon in these things.
i hope everything is 100% ok with the bike cuz the luck youve had is outlandish keep shreddin!!!
This was not actually bad luck, it's bad desgn, Most of these headsets seem to break right away.
MY FW Canyon Spectral was dented on ride 1, it was aluminium, but I contacted Canyon and they sent me a new frame free of charge as a gesture of good will ( This was about a month ago) The service is incredible, Hope you get it sorted!
Loving this honesty, you’re a legend, Lewis
My Merida One Sixty 600, model 2018, came with Maxxis Minion DHR 27,5X2,40 on both wheels and i changed the back tire with Schwalbe Magic Mary, Super Gravity.
Best tire i ever had on my mtb 👍
My 2020 carbon Torque was the most reliable bike I've ever had so far and it performed brilliantly as well.
Sick ride again. Are you guys using the Osmo Action 4 for this ride? Thank you
Such nice riding and camera angle! Had to subscribe. Hope the carbon frame is still 💯
Thanks!
@@LewisBuchananHow were you recording? Chin mount?
I bought a Norco and blew out the freehub on the first ride. Things break no matter what brand it is when yah shred.
Facts
I've had 4 crashes on my stumpjumper evo alloy and no issues yet thankfully.
I have a Geometron G1, I've not broken anything on it. did not even change bearings, and I hd the bike since I built it in late 2019. I have a Chris King headset, still smooth. I'm sure it will last for decades. No plastic parts, there's a metal compression ring, proper cover. I've had Hope Enduro wheels on, no issues with those, now DT Swiss 350 with DT rims. no issues with the hub apart from it stopping working during sub zero temps sometimes, ratchet jamming up in the freehub, so it disengages. So I want something else, maybe I should use oil instead of DT Swiss special grease during the winter. I've never had issues with Pro 4 hub. I've had it happen on a cheap Shimano hub, it could not handle -10C, but that was pure junk.
But I had Fox 36 fork on the G1, it was preowned by a suspension mechanic guy, then I had it for few months, creaked horribly, under braking, drops it sounded like I snapped the fork in half, and turning was like riding on twigs. Now I have EXT Era, no such issues.
what’s the difference between head tube angles of the spectral compared to the sender. Could be a reason for the force exerted on the headset… idk
You were flyin on some of those mayn.
Dno the model, Is that bike even meant to have DH forks on.
I had this issue as I have a tapered head tube and a straight Ohlins Crown, in my case my crown race failed so my forks were pressed against the head tube. I changed my crown race to a hope crown race reducer and hope bearing and had no issues since
Yooo Lewis I have a question, I'm about to buy a new pair of tires for my MTB and I'm curious to try a new tire brand What do you recommend for slippery surfaces, counter-slopes, cracked surfaces and which remains pedalable enough?Compounds and carcasses. I see you're using delium. I hope you can give me some advice. Your opinion matters a lot to me and the terrain you ride on is very similar to mine. Thanks and happy shredding🤟🏻
The first thing I did to my Spectral 125 CF is fix the headset issue. The plastic compression ring, spacers and cap are just a horrible choice for the way people are riding these bikes. I found someone from the UK on a Canyon Spectral FB group that machined a proper compression ring and allows for a 40/52mm top bearing to be used instead of the stock 42/52 it came with. So much better!
it's absurd for any bike. But I'm not surprised there are stupid things in the bike industry. I've for a long time. But never seen stupidity in headsets like this.
I own that bike should I change it?
That's what happens when you buy a bike from a marketing company 🌶️🌶️🌶️🌶️
Is it not caused from running 30mm more than the designed travel in the front for did you do other changes to compensate ?
No it’s a design flaw my mate has the same and it happened to him
If he is actually running 30mm more than the frame was designed for, thats what caused it alongside the cup not being press fit.
The bike has a 180mm double crown. Design flaw.
just out of curiousity, why a tourqe with a double crown instead of a sender?
IMO it looks like a pretty clever design decision making a more easily breakable plastic part to protect the carbon fibre frame which imo would have been broken somewhere around where the plastic part that broke was. It used to be common engineering practice to do this.
Have you seen the Lewis brakes? they look interesting, since you already test stuff, have you considered trying those? They look like Trickstuff brakes but with added features, and improvements. easier bleed. one model even has leverage adjustment, which I've never seen.
You have a problem with every bike ever and most are great bikes I love your videos but respectfully your unlucky or doing something wrong
What wrong? He just goes hard, pros crack frames as well, yt's/santa's etc. The industry is just full of jizz thats it. He wouldn't have a problem with a Karpiel.
I do have question for u m getting in to mtb i do have one but it feels small for me so m think n get new one but can make my mind between the polygon T8 and the orbea Occam H30 n I know u have Ride both of them and I will love to have you opinion about wish bike I should get
Thank you..
What hubs do you run?
Get a deadcat for your mic man, that windnoise is crazy through the home stereo
Yo @lewis whats that rear hub?
Did the chain stay on though?
Honestly, I have a friend who sent his Canyon Torque back to Canyon 2 times due to excessive linkage play, that developed within 2 weeks. He received a new one every time. After that, he immediately sold the bike.
whats ur camera its so smooth
I've been seeing so many stories of Canyons doing this lately. I wanted one, but it makes me completely rethink it.
ive got the spectral 125 al 5 from 2022 (aluminium)(ive had it a year, bought it new) and no problems so far. I know another guy that has never had a problem either
man next year I am coming to Wales and riding bike park wales and Dify Bike Park. So excited.
If it wasn't for bad luck!
Just glad you didn't have that bad juju at Tour de Gnar. You killed it there mate!
Thanks
When I went to service the headset on one of my bikes, I found a wad of paint scrapings (from the factory facing the headtube) bunched up under one side of the lower bearing, causing uneven steering. I have had the lower cup of a Cane Creek 40 headset shear, looked rather like your failure here. Replaced it with a CC 110.
Glad the bike was not damaged, but after cracking the frame on a steel hardtail, and two aluminum full suspension bikes, I am not interested in a carbon bike...
(edit because it posted before I was done writing)
What travel is the fork at. Because if its 200mm then of course it broke. If you over-fork so much, the bike will break.
which park is that ?
Maybe you could tell us what are the reasons why you sometimes run triple clamp forks and sometimes enduro forks. Are there any benefits for each? I know weight is different but what else?
Question - why dont you use insert in the rear wheel? I ride sharp jagged mountain 95% of my rides and after insert install had 0 punnies in 3 years, before insert at least 5 holes per season
DH tires and a good rim deals with all of that. I find that inserts only prevent rim damage, not punctures.
@@noahscrofani3105 Always run dh casing. 60% of punctures where rim dings. I run fat insert, Vittoria type and it has solved all my punctures. Bonus when ripped a plug on my old tire i could ride down the mountain with completely flat tire without fear of busting my rim. I see no downside in insert
@@a.k2156 What DH tires are you using?? Inserts Just add weight, and thats about it tbh. Ive never punctured a DH casing tire, but thats probuably because I replace tires every month.
@@noahscrofani3105 I have tried Magic Mary and Dhr both with dh casing. Dhr seemed bit more resistant to puncture but still had problems. I run my tires to the end so swapping them every month would definitely help :D With in insert i had same dhr in the rear for two seasons now, sides are starting to wear down so they are ready for a swap.
I am a bigger guy and like i said my home mountain is pile of big jagged rocks. Dh casing wont help much when you get a snakebite or case a hop on a massive rock when you are 220lbs unless you run a stupid high pressures.
Just my two cents
Had the same thing happen on my torque on the second ride. Same piece cracked and shot out from the bike sending my off the trail
I think you didn’t put the race together properly when you built the bike with the Dh forks as I remember the top piece moving in a previous video.
can you please test out Marin enduro bike ????
Yes, it can happen when you stick a much longer DC fork into a frame designed for a SC fork with a specific limit of axle to crown length.
The increased load through the bigger leverage ratio can actually, in a worst case scenario, rip the entire head tube off and send you to the ICU.
Luckily, only that cup blew up.
bro the bike is rated for a dc fork. ofc it is more load but thats what the bike is made for
Canyon have Torque version equipped with 190mm double crown stock
I think canyon says that there's no problem with putting dc fork in this frame plus its just a bearing which is not really a big deal
the torque is designed for DC ... it is used at rampage as well .. i think there was an construction failure ..
@@fpsgenerator All the Torque models speced with DC forks on their website are AL frames, not CF just fyi. Might play into that
Is the bike mullet?
what do you think about the GX drivetrain? I am indecisive between GX and a X01 kit.
Hmm it’s ok. Not been super super great.
Go X01/XX1 if you can afford it. I have gx on my cross country and XX1/X01 on my All Mountain. Can tell a difference in shifting feel and smoothness, plus it is lighter and looks better. I went with copper chain and cassette.
Custom builds are the way to go IMHO. These specced bikes always cheap out on something.
@@brian6speed thanks for the feedback!
Never had an issue with my GX SRAM on my Santa Cruz Bronson and that’s been slammed for all over for a year.
I had a friend I rode with who was brutal on equipment. We rode the same terrain, similar weight, and similar speed. But he would go through parts at 3 times the rate of me and broke almost every frame he ever had. I broke a few admittedly too. 😅
Maaan, the bike gods are against you!!
Maybe you should try the specialized Enduro frame next 🤭🤭, i will buy it from you if u dont like it ;) size S3 plz 🙏🏻.
So is the cayon rideable with that broken frame? Do you think the dh fork put to much stress on the compressionrings? It must increase the load on the headsets when going from 170 to 200 up front.
So enduro frame next up 🤗🤷♂️
i got the canyon torque khaos its snaped in in session too bro i dont know what they are doing but im so sad and in the fork too exactly like you i got it in video when its snapped tho its damaged the frame exactly like you
is this bike in the varient you rode it avalibel or did you put the fork afterwords on it
love the videos
Me with my 07' Scott High Octane still ripping
Are those prototype wheels
The arcos plastic compression ring is junk. I've broken 2 of them on my 2022 spectral 29er both when I was mid high speed run. Super dangerous. Went back to the original block alloy spacer. Luckily it didn't damage my frame though.
All the internet mechanics here claiming it broke because of the double crown😂 Yea it must not have anything to do with the fact that the compression ring is PLASTIC!😅 And yes, this happened to me with single crown as well. Nothing to do with the fork.
Basically plastic is a no-go on anything meant for offroading. They'll just have to suck it up and deal with metal rattles
What a nightmare mate! But, is that frame meant to/rated for a dual crown 200mm DH fork?
There is/was a version of the torque called the Torque DH CLLCTV that ran a 190mm dual crown up front. I feel like running a 200mm wouldn’t be much of an issue
The torque Al can take a 190mm dual crown but unfortunately the cf models cannot. Pretty unfortunate cus that rig w a dual crown would be a park MACHINE!
Yep it is.. i have a 2019 aluminiun torque with a 200mm boxxer , singlespeed. park machine!
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The frame is rated for a 200mm dual crown fork, I don't know where the information about the carbon frames not being able to handle a 200mm comes from... And even if they shouldn't be ran with a 200mm dual crown, that to me is no reason for the bike to break. Doesn't put that much more stress on it that it should snap on the first ride lol
@@ironeinarIt actually does. A 200mm fork slackens the head angle significantly and puts more stress on the headtube, especially when you are jumping things to flat. This is why frames have max fork travel ratings.
A friend of mine (who is 13) blew his headset on his Spectral CF exactly the same way on his first bikepark day... Then he got a new headset from some other manufacturer, gotta ask him which next time I see him, and put some 180mm Factory 38s and a Factory Float X2 on the bike lol
Didn't even know that the X2 is made with the right stroke to fit the spectral lol
The way headsets on the newer Canyons are done is really poor. Replaced the one on my Spectral too after it started to make noise after 3 rides. Also replaced the plastic spacers and the stem as well. No issues since then (2 years)
Yup agreed, I replaced the plastic crap with Hope alloy parts and it's been great (and looks amazing!)
Love the helmet 💯
Im never listening to another sentence from you with the word "plop" in it; my ankles still hurt.
Was looking at your camera mount on your lid. Which one do you use buddy?
when did u started with mtb
😂 my compression ring had to be replaced straight out of the box.
Free second frame on order from canyon for BB crack issue which is apparently resolved on new frame. Fox 38 also blew up all within first 12 months.
Still love the bike.
Will be really interested to see how this one holds up!
Good edit is that the dji 4 or 3 ? And I'd be great full if you could send me your settings the low light is a lot better than mines thanks In advance Hugh.
It looks like you’re still using the original lower headset bearing designed for a tapered steerer with your 1 1/8th triple clamp steerer… unless you installed some kind of reducer crown race then that probably has something to do with it 😂
What is you comparison between this bike and the nukeproof giga which do you think it faster or more planted through rough stuff for a dh style track thanks.
Bro why do you have only f4ns written everywhere? Somebody explain?
what hub is that. its super loud and i want it!
Industry Nine or might be Chris King or Hope.
You cannot go wrong with DT Swiss though, especially with ceramic bearings and what not.
This or giga would you say?
Before it snapped anyway
What are you doing with your bikes😞
At this point it might be worth just buying an alloy frame from propane or something strong
I dont think it really is canyons fault since it seems like the frame is not rated for 200mm fork. Plus it wasnt the frame that failed but the headset.
Edit: turns out you can put a 200mm fork on it no problem so I was wrong
Canyon sell the mullet Torque with a DH fork. The Torque DH CLLCTV.
Talked to the guy from my local shop about the slash chain thing, and he has not gotten any negative feedback from customers. Now this.. dont think the bikes or the “big manufacturers” are the problem here ..
@@lucamuller6729spot on. Bloke just slaps his sponsors parts on. Fork, more travel than rated. Shock on the trek, longer than rated. But let’s not tell everyone that 🤫
Thats not true, canyon themselves even state on their website that you can put a 200mm dual crown fork on the torque no problem...
I've heard lots of storys of the plastic adjustable headset of the Spectral CF and the Torque CF failing... I think that the only problem with the cf models are the weird plastic headset components... If it wasn't for the headset, I would've gotten the carbon torque too.
No way! So excited to see you come to Quebec, I live there. It's definitely late in the year for biking but i'm sure you'll have some good fun. Make sure to try the poutine and try not to brake your bike on the plane, your luck lately has been... poor.
It was probably during the world cup...or before maybe! Lol
ladies and gentlemen, welcome to canyon
Amazing riding. Shocked such a dope bike had that issue.
Hi, My name is Devin Armstrong I am 15 years of age and live and ride in Whangārei, New Zealand. I recently watched your video on binning the slash and I really think you should try out a gearbox bike if you’re still looking around. I would recommend one from either zerode a company out of New Zealand designing and testing the bikes in Rotorua. Cavalarie a French company using the less common effigear gearbox or viral bikes with their new optimist 160. The chain or belt depending on which company you go with should be impossible to ever drop as the bikes are all technically single speed on the outside. Effigears gearboxes are unable to shift under load however the pinion gearboxes found on the other two bikes can. The optimist 160 is not yet released but is specked with pinions new smartshift gearbox Sean on the gamux dh prototype. Zerode has not yet publicly announced the use of these gearboxes however I have had a chat with them and they expect to be using them in January next year. The suspension performance on all these bikes is next level thanks to the weight of 12 gears, a derailleur and heavy chain being deleted from the back wheel making small bump sensitivity insane as shown in a drop test on zerode’s UA-cam channel. Personally I would recommend a zerode as they have been around for many years and the optimist is viral’s first full sus bike. I think everyone’s riding can be drastically improved on a gearbox driven bike and have recently started a job to save up for a zerode katipō and think gearboxes are the future of cycling especially with pinion’s new technology.
Zerode also has a do offering, the g3 and I’m sure you have seen the gamux prototype by now which are estimated to start production soon
Bummer mate, however, Enduro frame with a downhill fork? I would think Canyon might tell you that it's maybe at your risk? That being the case though I would think the frame is well strong enough, you just toast your warranty. By a Santa Cruz V10 if you really need a full downhill rig and leave those Enduro bikes as they are. That Canyon is more than capable with that single crown 38.
They sell a torque with a dual crown though
@@owenbirch6188the one they sell with a dual crown is alloy though
Dude cased every single jump/drop in the video. The guy following him complains about his ankles hurting from the drops.
Oh I’m sure you could do a much better job and clear all the jumps right?
Ffs dude , bikecompanies should be sending you free bikes to destruction test lmao great video ! Hope the Canyon is still going strong.
My canyon spectral is the bomb 💣 love it
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Does your buddy like his Evil Wreckoning? I’ve been thinking about getting rid of my Santa Cruz Nomad V6 and getting a Wreckoning.
I love your videos bro, but its a canyon what do you expect 😅
4.24 possibly when the problem began?
Hey, I am thinking about buying a spindrift for dh racing. Do you think it will do a good job at it?
I mean if you also want a bike to do trail rides absolutely that’s a killer jack of all trades, but if you’re strictly going to race downhill, get a downhill bike
Personally I’d buy a secondhand V10 if using solely for DH but if you want Enduro/Trail Santa Cruz Bronson is the frame without a doubt, I wouldn’t recommend any other frame
Iam sure it’s only the alu frames that can take the triple clamp forks
Say that to the greatest DH bike ever Santa Cruz V10.
I have never had an issue with there frames
The track looks amazing. What happens with the frames that snap, do you get a refund or is it just another chunk of money disappearing? Sorry if this has been asked before.
Canyon has a program where you can buy a new frame with a good discount if you break a frame from bike that is less than three years old. For example Torque CF frame costs 1300€.
@@Hilirimpsuti I think you’re wrong….6 year guarantee: “. in addition to the legal warranty you have, we also offer a 6-year guarantee on our frames, seatposts, cockpits, and forks for racing bikes, triathlon bikes and commuter bikes from the date of purchase. The guarantee only covers material and processing defects that already existed on delivery. Any damage by external factors is not covered under guarantee. For example, wear and tear.
You must be the original owner of the bike and you can make a guarantee claim up to 6 years from the date of purchase” and 2 year warranty: “A warranty claim is independent of the original owner of the bike. That means, if you’ve bought the bike second hand and it’s less than 2 years old, you can still make a claim.”
@@Hilirimpsutiyes and in addition if the warranty also passes the frame they send it to you for free, I know because I had cracked my frame and they replaced it for me
@@cloudnine7578 Warranty covers only defects not crashed frames. Look for Canyon crash replacement program. I think many other manufacturers have similar replacement programs but they don't necessarelly yell it loud out.
The bike industry badly needs an "iOS 12 update" (which focused on performance and stability instead of shiny new features). A $5K+ product with all the new bells and whistles that breaks after normal use is just not acceptable in most consumers minds, BECAUSE of the high price. Price matters, as much as the industry wants to ignore that. Nobody batts an eye at the thousands of clapped out Capras out there for this reason. (how many of those are broken frames though?) This channel is a testament to the industry just chasing trends instead of improving reliability and longevity (which they would if they actually cared about the climate)
What model is the canyon looks sick
The plastic top cap is at fault. Its just dumb that theyve tried to use a plastic part here. Canecreek zs49 top headset - top cap only - is the part you need.
did that snapped because of plastic ring or big fork ?
i am really confused mate.
Plastic ring I think
Owned a few DH & Enduro bikes in my time and to be honest Canyon was probably the worst bike I’ve owned m. I had nothing but trouble with it.
Pivot, Yeti, Santa Cruz are all miles better frames wise than Canyon, even Propain frames are better.
Canyon are just overhyped in my opinion.
You should get an Orbea
I’ve seen this happen a few times with the dh tourqes I think it’s got sdomethng to do with the tiriple clamp forks even though it comes with them stock
I’d love to see you trying a commnençal clash. It’s also 190mm 27.5 dual crown compatible and can take a 29 160mm single crown up front when you switch to progressive mode. Then it’s 160 front 155 back and in 27 single crown it’s 180 front 170 back in linear mode. Really fun and versatile rig
I just bought a carbon spectral this year. So in love. Super capable on the up’s and down’s, super happy with it #mycanyon
Good for pedalling around the parking lot. Take it near a track and it may explode
@@neeooww Friend of mine shreds his absolutely beaut of a Spectral CF with a 180mm 38 and a Float X2 in the back 😂
Absolute Park Machine and it looks more like a Torque than my torque lol
He rides like an absolute maniac and he has no issues other than the weird plastic headset which Lew blew out in this video too. Then he changed them out for some other headset that fit...
Check your chain- and seatstay regularly, the potential that they brake is unfortunately quite high....
14:46 It's absurd that it's plastic. Looks like its compression ring and steerer spacer in one, making things tighter, so fork does not wiggle if headset is loose or you take the stem off. But I rather take regular compression ring made of metal. Same with the plastic cover.
Releasing a bike with such flaw is absurd.
After a few years , now I know for sure, Angle Adjusting headsets are BS😜👍
Buy your bike just with the right steering angle, and don't risk weakness in a place, where usually is no space to " break around" if every part is round 😁👍‼️
Wow can't believe how many people are commenting about that double crown fork, his fault bla bla without even knowing!? If you dont know, at least do a little google search or something before saying something stupid! Come on! 😅
Really surprised to see you coming in Quebec but yeah, probably had the same treatment as Remy and had more quad lift than pedaling lol apart from MSA and Massif, you have to pedal everywhere here. 😊 Cant wait to see your videos!!
plastic headsets are the best. especially when the aluminum ones don't even last long :)
There's tons of complaints about all the plastic crap canyon use for headset & spacers, bikes rip other than that
Same thing happened to my Canyon