I tried testing carbon vs aluminum, but I found out something else..
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6:42 yes, it is about the rider, but by not caring about data you throw away the work from the engineers who made the bikes you love. The diference between frames is INSANE even with small changes and that's ignoring suspension geometry completely, knowing what works for you will not only make you faster, it will let you take more risks, have more fun, and improove overall as a rider. Thoose numbers are there for you to know what you want/like from bikes by comparing the feel you have with different frames and it's what makes the difference between them. You don't NEED them, but using and understanding them will give you an insane advantage when picking your next bike. If you don't believe me, just ask the guy from Berm peak about his custom frame...
Great comment and very well said!
I also think it is so hard to really show the meta’s potential with the tiny rear shock, I had a meta myself, and had a shock similar to that on it. (The fox dps) with no piggyback. I then put a float x2 on and the difference was unbelievable, you really need a beefier shock to unveil the true potential of that bike
@@EvansMTBSagait would be interesting to make a video showcasing how the bike is with the current shock and with a new or used beefier enduro shock
seth is his name
This test needs to be done with a Trek Fuel ex8 XT build vs a Trek fuel ex9.8 XT build so that the only difference is the carbon vs aluminum. All this proves is you like your Meta not that you like aluminum
Two different bikes with vastly different geometry and components…. This isn’t a very good carbon vs aluminum comparison. The wheelbase difference alone between those 2 bikes is enough to make a huge difference. Obviously you don’t have an unlimited budget, but trying two frames with the only difference being material would be a much better comparison.
for example a yt capra alloy compared to the yt capra carbon, but with same parts
I know it's a pricey option, but he could have gone a canyon cf 125 frame and just switched all the same parts to it to find out. Only variable then would be the frame material
100% ageee. See these types of comparisons online and it's virtually pointless when there is so many different parts on each bike. Like you say, the wheelbase alone will make it feel way different
Facts
I probably would have liked to see 2 specialized Stump Jumpers Evo, The Carbon Vs Alloy. Or at least something he has not ridden before. But yeah he doesn't have the budget for that. Maybe some day he'll get Berm Peak levels of notoriety and do the same video again. Gotta keep the UA-cam algorithm happy...
I think a better comparison of aluminum versus carbon would have been like for like frame with components. Perhaps a comparison between your aluminum Spectral 125 versus a carbon Spectral 125 and leave all the other differentiating variables out.
Exactly
That’s what I was thinking the entire video
Even the arktos in 135 mm travel
@@noahlarkins3246 same here the whole time I was like so what does any of this have to do with carbon or aluminum?
I think this guy isn't brite enough to figure it out on his own so he needs all the help he can get.
This probably isn’t within the budget, but I think an aluminum vs. titanium would be pretty sweet. Showing us the difference between vibration damping, sound, feel, etc. would be pretty cool.
Titanium FS frames are very rare, and in hardtail land Titanium is the creme de la creme, gives the ride quality and feel of steel while being lighter than aluminum.
Of course we want a fully Aliexpress build and review!!!
What type of MTB from ali? XC, trail, Enduro?
@@EvansMTBSaga Maybe instead of building one of those sketchy 300$ Carbon all-Aliexpress bikes focus on components that could actually hold up to hard enduro riding? Like chainrings, brakes or those new Elitewheels Gnar 29?
@@EvansMTBSagadowncountry hardtail.
@@EvansMTBSaga enduro or trail!
@@EvansMTBSaga enduro....
Hey Evan! I started following you back when I was researching buying a Polygon Siskiu D7 in 2021, and did end up buying it after watching your videos. When you started your high-low series I also started upgrading the Siskiu D7 with different parts like getting a 130mm Rockshox Pike front suspension, Magura mt7 brakes and new braking discs, Nukeproof Horizon v2 wheels and changing the tyres to Maxxis DHF & Maxxis Dissector. Around this time I was also starting to frequently visit bike parks & more Enduro oriented trails instead of the usual XC oriented tracks in my neighbourhood. I kept on trying to change my downcountry/xc bike to a heavy duty trailbike. But in the end I had to admit to myself that this bike was simply not originally designed for this type of riding, no matter how many parts I would change. Maybe there is a small parallel to this video with trying to get your Alchemy trailbike to be a fully duty Enduro bike.
Last december I finally made the decision to sell my Polygon, in favor for a Commencal heavy duty trailbike (by pure luck around the same time you started considering your Commencal I think!). I ended up going for the Commencal Meta TR 29 Race edition (160/140) and couldn't be happier. I decided to splurge a little this time by going for the full build with pretty high end parts so I wouldn't have to keep upgrading it like I had with the Polygon. Thanks for sharing your journey with us!
Its honestly so easy to get a horrible feeling setup on fox factory suspension, it took me the better part of 6 months tweaking then completely rethinking my settings to get it right on my X2 on my ripmo, then threw a zeb select + on the front and apart from getting the sag and tokens right its felt awesome from the start.
Glad to hear that I'm not the only one. Rockshox so much easier to set up
Agree! Perhaps lots of others do too, hence the lack of new bikes shipping with RockShox.. Maybe because it's better for Sram to sell the goods retail than OEM, as so many do the swap.
I would actually love to see a full ali express build!
I'm just worried about doing it because it won't have much resale value
@@EvansMTBSaga yeah, that is true
The views on the page should be able to pay for it. Are you not sponsored by Ali express. Ask them to help
@@jayjavier7674 It’s more of the resale value
With regards to suspension setup, you should try hiring or even buying a shockwiz...... It takes the guesswork out of setting your suspension up and covers air pressure, volume spacer, high/low speed rebound and high/low speed compression. I ended up buying one and the difference it makes when you've set the bike up with it is massive
Dang, can't say anything to those people with alloy at my races anymore 🤣
This video proves nothing about carbon or aluminum
Would love to see a full aliexpress mtb build😂😂, great idea!
me too!
I’d love to see an aliexpress build series. Seems like reviews of the cheap carbon frames are super mixed online- I’ve been looking at the tideace enduro frames and they seem pretty legit. Also very curious about the cheap shimano group sets
Don’t buy Chinese carbon. Simple as that
the local XC guys use the ali express (sparks) theyve not had any issues, one of them has a whole stable of aliexpress frames, the big travel stuff holds up fine.
I have Shimano SLX 12x with four pot brakes. Whole group was below 650 euros, brake rotors included. And it works like a clock, two years, no problems. Well, one minor misstep, rear caliper one piston cracked and leaked, got replaced under warranty.
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This isn't really a comparison of frame material. It's more of a comparison between two different bikes.
Frame material won't make you faster or slower. Certainly is interesting to learn about challenges when changing out / upgrading suspension components though.
Not really since Evan made an attempt to convert a Trail Bike to an Enduro and seemingly failed. He wasn;t changing out and upgrading components to maintain the originalk bike type - this wqas a pseudo-conversion effort. Huge Difference !!
Not at all surprised with the result, you were super comfortable with the Commencal, so it makes sense that you would also be more confident on it & manage it better. Awesome bike.
I love my Fox gear & I think correctly set up on the other bike would end up with a very similar result, but you are right about complication & considering the price difference in suspension components, it does say a lot about value & the importance of more not always means better.
I totally agree with you that this many adjustments on the suspension can get worse pretty easily for the average joe. More dials means it takes much much longer to dial in your suspension, so if you're not riding every other day it's worth getting some good wheels for example instead of top end suspension.
One other thing about carbon vs aluminum I recently found out are the handlebars. I bought a carbon handlebar for my hardtail and had immense wrist pain after 1½ to 2 hours of riding. Changed to an aluminum bar and rode the same trail the weekend later and the pain was gone. It really depends how the carbon is crafted and for which use it's indended.
Sweet idea for a video! Interesting how much changes depending on set up
You could try offset bushing in the shock to tweak the geometry, lowered the bb and slackened the head angle on my mythique and it transformed the bike.
You might not want that head angle much slacker though so might not help too much.
Angled headset cups would be interesting too.
The Alchemy is already 63.5 HTA in enduro mode, but it's got a short reach, short wheelbase and low stack for its travel. If anything, steepening the HTA to like 64.0 and increasing the reach a little might help him get centered up better on the bike, I have to wonder if this bike would be faster in trail mode based on geo alone.
Love your content. Its some of the best!!
the frame rear travel convertion was awesome
Hi Evan! I can relate your feeling, try different offset fork, more offset for more relax neutral feeling, also you can try wider tires (yes it help me a alot on may Ibis HD5)
Absolutely agree, once I tried full fox suspension on my bike, and man, I really missed my rockshox package: Lyrik 170mm and my vivid air rc2 167mm, super easy to setup. In the other hand, I think that carbon is ok for XC, All Mountain, enduro and DH racing, but for FR is just dreadfull, nothing like a good and stiff alloy frame for serious stuffs; thats my personal opinion
I would say it comes down to whatever bike youre more comfortable on. Clearly youve been riding the meta longer and are used to it. And you seemed comfortable with how it performed. The carbon bike was new and was giving you issues so of course it would be smaller. A better test would be identical bikes from a manufacturer but one in alu one in carbon and see how it goes.
I was thinking about that. Tough times probably led to more tense riding leading to exacerbated suspension issues
I’m actually a huge fan of aliexpress bike parts. I bought some clipless shoes, integrated carbon bars, and what’s basically an xx1 cassette and they have all performed flawlessly. Just as long as your not stupid about who you buy from you will not be disappointed
It has always been so funny to me how you use time trials to compare bikes. here is a little advice for bike reviews. instead of just riding the bikes and timing yourself, describe how the bike feels and who it is for. your videos would be way better if you do that instead of making such huge emphasis on the times.
Also agree. My aluminum Orange five Evo weighs in at s competitive 24.5 pounds with 29er wheels and dropper. It's such a fun bike and it rides incredible. Carbon is light, but you feel everything on a carbon bike.
Sounds scary. I use alot thr ht aluminum most of the time than the carbon bike of my gf. I hvnt really use it in the mountain yet. But if thats true what u said. That sounds scary 😅
Fun comparison. I'm actually in the process of building an aluminum Salsa Balckthorn right now.
My honest feelings about carbon, it's great for road bikes, it's great if you have a sponsor who is happy to replace your frame every time it experiences a lateral impact (rock, tree, or some random hard thing), I just don't like it for bikes that take a beating. It's really not what carbon does best. F1 cars, fighter jets, those are all great applications for carbon. But I'm happy trade a little extra frame weight for a material that bends and dents before it explodes.
The only bike frame part I've actually broken in the past 20 years was the carbon seat stay on my otherwise aluminum Salsa Bucksaw XO-1. It didn't like getting launched off an eight foot flight of stairs I'd hit literally hundreds of times before on an aluminum 100mm rear travel XC bike. Literally broke into five pieces!
I do ride Renthal carbon Fat Bar Lites, and Raceface carbon cranks. Love em. I have very mixed feelings on carbon wheels. One good nick in the fibers and they're compromised. Aluminum wouldn't care.
Dude it’s wild I can immediately see that your Commencal suspension is dialed 😎 it looks buttery smooth over the chunk in comparison to the Alchemy’s suspension.
I prefer Rockshox suspension settings. I’m not sure what makes them easier to dial in, but they’re just easier to dial in 😂 for me atleast.
Thanks Joe! I like the mid stroke feel on Rockshox
You can use sagly to help you out with suspension setttings! At least with complicated suspension it will guide you into the right direction
great content, great approach and numbers and even testing. I wish the commentary was less cringe tho but hey, can´t complain otherwise
Lighten up dude
Yep
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NICE video..... I liked the fact that you found your old bike better than the new carbon.
Fit is usually more important than suspension tuning. When you switched the Arktos to “enduro”, you changed your whole body position and weight balance. Most people can account for the shorter reach without thinking much but, the extra Stack is a huge difference. Should have lowered your stem on the steerer tube first before using a longer stem. As for Fork, maybe a bit less air would have helped get your body position correct, then dial in compression to support where the air spring lacks. I don’t know the kinematics of that bike but, considering you were mostly complaining about the front end at first, I’d probably suggest a less progressive air spring set up and simultaneously a touch less sag. With minor and i mean minor changes to the suspension and some work on fit, i bet you’d have had a better time.
Good luck and go fast, don’t die.
Would be cool to see a comparison between a piggyback shock and the one you have on the SX now, just to see how big the difference actually is. On the same bike ofc
I have an idea to make that happen and done in a really cool way. THanks man!
Please don’t stop talking about the boring stuff it’s very informative
I observed mostly from this that would just try and wing it with the suspension settings. Maybe a bit of time to understand to the adjustments would have gone a lot better for you. Tuning is a frustrating thing indeed. I would suggest to find the mid point as the starter, and go a quarter one way or back to do feel a happy spot. Also the the weight of the shock oil and pressure has its own effects. Its a bigger picture than most would attempt.
I just got a rock stuck in-between my front and rear triangle on the Arktos 😢 Make sure you cover up that small gap to prevent damage! I'm hoping it's just a paint chip rather than a crack 🤞🏻
Oh yikes! If I was keeping it I'd definitely get a rear fender
Which one is best?
Whichever I can afford LOL
You proved absolutely nothing about carbon vs aluminum frames but Instead decided you don’t like fox factory suspension and the geometry of the meta was better for enduro bikes. No hate at all but you missed the mark on this one, I would recommend trying this again with two identical bikes only difference being the frame material, which then also would only come down to your opinion on which is better.
Both of them look great.
Ryan is the best wheel builder in town!!
In my opinion you are not comparing aluminum vs carbon, but rather two different bike geometries and rear axel paths. Plus, the carbon one is pumped up and not in the original trail form that it was intended. It would have been relevant to compare the same bike (brand, model, year) in aluminum and carbon form.
You should try aluminum vs carbon stumpys! They have the same geometry regardless of material, and I think you can buy them with the same spec. It would be interesting to see a better comparison between the two materials.
I have been very interested in Stumpy's especially since the frame only option is a pretty good price
@@EvansMTBSaga Yeah, it seems like most of the 2023 versions are on sale to make way for the 2024, you can pick up some great deals around this time! I work at a bike shop that deals mainly in Specialized, I'm really interested how they stack up with other bike you have tested.
I have a Ibis Ripmo AF with DVO coil suspension and Diamond Fork, and an Ibis Ripmo V2 (carbon) with Fox Factory X2 and 36. Both perform excellently. I actually think the AF might be a little more fun, but the carbon definitely feels a lot more lively and I like pedaling it longer distance a bit more. 6.5lb difference between the two builds. I think I'll be using the AF for downhill/enduro races and the carbon for my trail days.
The carbon is probably going to be the better bike for endurobro stuff, the AF flexes a bit at the head tube and the DVO Diamond isn't a terribly stiff fork. I have the Onyx SC on my Ripmo AF and I can still feel the flex in fast rock gardens, especially when compared to a carbon bike with a Fox 38, the carbon bike feels like a scalpel in comparison in its ability to hold a line.
I'd like to see a bike full build from aliexpress including your riding gear for the next videos.
Yeah I’d be interested to see a Ali express MTB , I’ve seen it done with road bikes but not MTB yet. (I will recommend the ZTTO ULT cassette from there, very good and light and like 1/3 the price of top end sram)
Also the L-Twoo A12 shifter/Derailleur are pretty good too
I'm also building an Aliexpress bike. I'm using the Himalo boost frame. I'm slowly building it up. So far have the mtx 33 wheels with koozer 490 pro and sapim spokes, Cruz crank arm (155mm) and a race chainring, Maxxis assegai and DHR II and DNM coil shock. I'm planning on buying the Himalo 36 dual air fork and Ztto core IV brakes once I get the dough.
I think the problem with the 1st bike is you need a coil shock and the fox 38 is probably too big for you on that bike, I mean the fox 38 doesnt match for that frame. Try a fox 36? Or even go full DVO front and rear.
These minute differences in settings don't make a difference to the average rider, but they make a huge difference to an expert rider running at the edge of out of control. For the average person watching this video or out on their own bike the difference between one bike and the other really doesn't matter much. The average rider cares way too much about getting gear that they can't possibly use to its full potential. I know they're a sponsor, but good tip on the Aliexpress. I don't want to damage or lose a $200 pair of glasses when riding!
Great comment Matt! I appreciate it and agree 100%. I'm trying to find my speed with Enduro so I need everything to work well so I can ride that ragged edge 😁
I use commercial protection glasses for riding. They are cheap in comparison, but still durable and today you get quite fancy ones
Speed vision makes awesome wheeels - got both of my carbon wheels for both bikes from them - did a review video on my channel for each
I ride my bike with slowest rebound it can go. I don't know why or how but that is just how I like it. I ride with that setting everything from the road to 3-6 meters drop
Boom I like the KISS principal too, keep it simple stupid, Less settings on the shock, the better the chances of having a better tuned shock! Boom! Sorry I just wanted to say Boom again
BOOM! hahaha
I'm a big fan of Aluminum frames. Recently I had a crack on by top tube and it was just a $50 welding fix at my neighborhood welding shop. If it was a Carbon frame, then the issue is will be an expensive time consuming one.
Carbon frames can easily be repaired on your own even. They have epoxy repair kits for them.
I recently went from a carbon Intense Primer 29 to an aluminum Commencal AM 29 (29er version of SX). Very different bikes, yes, but I ride the Commencal way better solely because I’m not afraid to ride hard and beat it up. I’m afraid of cracking my carbon Intense in the rocky Utah desert.
i pay $37NZd a month so i can do whatever i want with my bike.. insurance is the best thing for a mtb.
the tests we deserve
ShockWiz the fox suspension, you may very well need volume spacers to cut down on the chatter of the suspension and you may need some different combo of high/low rebound/compression. The shock wiz in my opinion will help you AND teach you a lot about the suspension you are riding.
I do want to bring technology onboard for my shocks, but something a bit more advanced than Shockwiz 😍
I was pretty disappointed with ShockWiz. The feedback it gives you is pretty rudimentary, and most people can get their suspension feeling better than the ShockWiz can
That's what I've read too. I want to see the graphs of the data collected and I guess the Wiz just gives recommendations
"I put a longer stem on"
Lol
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A friend of mine had the same problem with fox 36 or 38 grip 2 kashima. He did not like it, and he told me he had to send it back and was a manufacture problem
I’m wondering if I can do the same with my 2021 Giant Trance Advanced Pro 29-1?🤔 It has 115mm of rear travel and 130 mm fork. Can I increase the rear suspension travel to maybe 130 mm or more? The fork, I can just swapped it to a 36 with 150 mm.
that with the less adjustablity is treu the Charger raced day is the best xc damper out at the moment.
Honestly carbon is really only useful when building an XC bike. The lower weight actually helps, where as in enduro the lower weight really does little to nothing and keeps you worrying about scratching the frame the entire ride.
So can you get a very large shock( 210x70 or something) and not use an adapter and just mount the shock straight to the alchemy linkage?
I completely agree with the 'too many settings to adjust' feel. I just want air pressure and rebound adjustment, that's enough for me!
same
That's how my "XC shock" is on the Commencal. I have it dialed in with the few adjustments and funny it has no issues with the 3 min runs at my shuttle park
@Evans MTB Saga Yeah 3 minutes would be unlikely to cause any significant fade. I have the Super Deluxe Select with just rebound adjustment. Basically your shock with the piggybank. Is so smooth!
The stability of the Commencal is due in part to it's wheelbase. The 31 mm advantage of the Commencal cannot be understated. Shorter WB is always going to be more twitchy than the longer WB and no amt of shock adjustment is going to make up for it. This beats nursing for sure doesn't it?
Such an awesome video
Kind of agree with many of the comments, with those 2 bikes it’s not really aluminum vs carbon comparison. You can get the Fox Factory with the Grip 3 damper, much easier to set up compared to the Grip 2.
I think you are kinda like me. I like marzzochi suspension because it has like no settings. I almost never miss the setting my fox 36 had compared to the Z1 I have on my current bike. I have a float x in the back but it's not the factory one with too many settings its the basic one. The marzzi rear shock came out after I bought my bike or I likely would have tried to get that instead.
I went to r.s. coil ultimate and absolutely love it. Best shock I've ever rode on and a lot easier to set up.
Same here have one on my specialized enduro expert with carbon frame carbon rims and carbon handle bar and it rides like a dream bike setup important
Does somebody have any tips for Suspension setup i am very bad at that and
I have a Problem with slipping anway with my left Hand on my new bike( specialized Demo)
What camera are you using and overlay for the speed gps etc.
Evan, I always cross reference the bike manufacturer and suspension manufacturer recommendations for my base settings then adjust from there. I can get a bike pretty dialed in a fairly short amount of time. Some manufacturers are better than others in regards to set up recommendations.
Interesting, maybe I'll check Alchemy's site to see if they recommend suspension settings or have like a calculator
@@EvansMTBSaga look at Fox's manual for your suspension as well. You'll find recommended suggestions for rebound and if you look deep enough usually compression as well
What program did you use for that telemetry??
You need the same bike in aluminum and carbon for this concept to be relevant. All you did was show that different suspension and frame designs make the for a different feel, not materials.
Fun but really flawed comparison :) i love my sx but on race laps it gets nailed by carbons such as orbea rallon and santa cruz megatower. But the important thing is that sx is a fkin tank, it plows like a champ and i never wanted a carbon bike :) it is important to mention that commencal makes the best aluminium frames, so it compares with the best carbon out there :)
Dang now I wanna try the ones you mentioned! Good to hear that you say Commencal makes the best aluminum. I bought it because it came in polished 🤣 got lucky with how good it rides
Agreed on the flawed comparison! I wish it could've been better but working with what I got
@@EvansMTBSaga I’ve thrown my sx into anything i could handle and it came out flawless :) dont stress about the flawed comparison, it is the fun and good watch what is important! My thoughts are always been - carbon is for long long rides and races, but aluminium covers everything in between. And about commencals quality - they dont stress with carbon versions and tuning them and all their r&d goes to their aluminum bikes, the facts speak for themselves :)
@@the10rv Thanks man! Yeah it was flawed and lessons learned and it was fun. I appreciate the kind words of encouragement
I would love to see a bike build
Make a t-shirt with a randonneur bike, an all-road bike, a club bike, an endurance road bike, a gravel bike, a cyclocross bike, a hybrid bike, a touring bike and a porteur bike.
Doing a full aliexpress bike would be neat
Fox Grip2 HSR is a bit tricky to tune. I run mine just 3 clicks from closed. Anymore than that the fork feels too bouncy and pings all over the place. LSR can be set to taste and trail conditions.
I like a slow rebound too. After filming this video I've taken the bike out a few more times and it's running pretty good now, but definitely has it's strengths (jumping turning) and weaknesses (high speed plowing)
i have the zeb ultimate 3.0 on my canyon torque al6 27.5
You should put the float x2 on the Meta if you turn the arktos back to trail
You just need to get use to it, it might take a bit but just keep sending how it is
Personally I just bought my first carbon bike a few years ago and it’s a diomondback 4c and it’s way better and dampening in the frame and it had the same shock setup as my aluminum older bike
I think you should do a full Ali express bike build
Looking some of their offerings up right now! I might have a Livestream chat decide what AliExpress stuff goes on the build though
i want to see a ali express bike build. it would be awesome. something like a ican carbon frame. maybe a p1 or p9
great video!
Alu might be better in _THIS_ frame and setup, but when comparing materials, you have to eliminate all the variables to really get down to the actual differences.
It comes down to the bike with carbon vs alloy. It looks like converting the Alchemy to "enduro" results in a bike with weird geometry. I would try this same run again on the Alchemy, but back in trail bike mode, I wonder if it will track more stable in trail mode. I've done my own comparison of my own alloy bike vs a carbon demo bike on a high speed tech trail and reached the opposite conclusion, but in this case the carbon bike was a RM Altitude so the S-tier of enduro bikes. I was 3 minutes faster on the Altitude vs my Ripmo AF, the Altitude felt like a scalpel through rock gardens at speed where the Ripmo gets a little vague in high speed tech.
AL for land based travel and CF for aerospace travel
Hey Evan, I imagine you're getting a lot of this, but I think the comparison wasn't very well executed. It's a GREAT video idea and I was really excited to see it, but the wheelbase difference alone on those bikes is enough to make them ride completely differently. It would be much better if you compared 2 of the same frame. I know that would be expensive and you're working with what you have but it's not really fair to compare 2 completely different frames and blame the material when one is faster. Anyways, keep grinding and we'll keep watching. Would love to see a full Ali Express Trail bike build. The Boarse hardtail frame looks promising!
Thanks Prod! I probably shouldn't have made the statement that aluminum is better at the end and just left it at "I came here to find out aluminum vs carbon, but found out that I don't like Fox factory suspension 🤣"
@@EvansMTBSaga I appreciate that you realize your mistake. I find it interesting that you didn't like the Factory setup! That's my favorite! Although I understand that it's very difficult to set up. It may be worth investing in a professional bike fitting so that you can get the kinks worked out and use it to it's full potential!!
what about steel frames, they still have a place, right?
One this I found out when tuning the bike is hit the same trail multiple times to compare
Fear of commitment at best will mess up your run, at worst will get you hurt.
you dont need to be a rocket scientist to ride a bike but to ride at an advanced level you do need to have an idea of whats going on, try starting suspension setup with compression fully open on both ends. get your pressure/ramp and rebound feeling dialed then add compression as needed (then wait for the x2 to explode lol). also idk how tall you are but the nervous front end could be just because the thing is pretty short.
I would ride around all day when I was a kid but I never went mountain biking so now that I'm older I started to ride again but I wanted to do some mountain bike riding so the bike I went with was a commencal meta sx and I'm happy with the bike it rides like a dream
Leatherwood is it's own animal. I just built up a bike with riding Leatherwood being prime consideration. Kills there. Canfield Balance (aluminum frame), 180 Zeb, Progressive coil, e*13 carbon wheelset, 165mm canrks, Revgrips, etc
Progressive coil would work so well there because the rock rolls to harsh landings. Shorter cranks too. Thanks for the ideas and I hope I see you out there! I love that place
Have you ever testet a bird frame. Just Got one used and is about to build it.
I hit a tree before yeah they don’t move out if the way 😂
Hey! I am starting to ride and wondering if there is a huge difference between mtb full face and a motocross helmet? I have ridden motocross just 2 years ago so I have a good helmet and googles etc. But don’t know if it is just better to buy a real mtb helmet?
Huge difference especially weight and ventilation I was actually concerned going from half sell to full face got a fox proframe never look back. But to answer your question huge difference between motor cross helmet and mtb fullface
just raced enduro on my hardtail, and wanting an enduro bike. looking at a YT Capra MX Core 2
An ali express build would be fun, I think a Himalo frame would be a good piece of the puzzle.
I just looked at one of their aluminum frames. Everyone thinks AliExpress frames are carbon, but I'm more intrigued by their alloy frames.
1:30 Yes enduro bikes are fun and all but the vast majority of mountain bikers don't need one, you really only need one if you plan to race or your local trails are steep and gnarly. Lots of riders over bike themselves when the terrain and there skill level will be overshadowed by a long travel enduro bike. Most riders will be better off with a trail bike.