I hope jonathan gets hired to work on designs for fictional sci fi weapons for games, movies, etc. Love his fascination with how they work while still understanding the priority is entertainment and not realism.
There is a certain show that the Co Host happens to be the Master Armoror from the company nearly all movie and T.V shows use for guns, props and many other things called Hollywood Weapons, the main host is Terry Shappard. Jonathan could get in with that company, and the sky would be the limit on what projects he could work on and what advisory jobs he could do.
Agreed. I like that Dave has become a part of the series. Not that Johnathan is ignorant of gaming tropes, quite the opposite, but having the guy who presumably collected the footage being reacted to adds valuable context to the discussion. Also, I just think the two of them are neat.
Yeah I really like that there's someone from Gamespot that gives the expert who presumably hasn't play the game, more context. In another gaming channel, which I won't name, they get experts to react to gaming stuff, but they just sit the expert there and watch the gaming footage without giving them any context, so a lot of times, the expert couldn't really react properly or you just know that they'd be able to give more insight if they knew the context more.
The Shotgun is essentially a double barrel Gauss/ Coil gun. Charging the gun allows you to create a series of electromagnetic pulses, accelerating the projectiles even faster than using only the powder charge.
@@gwoody4003 I agree. Augmenting the performance of a conventional "powder gun" might be easier with an added Electrothermal Chemcal (ETC) gun upgrade but we tend not to see much of such guns in the scifi and video game universes.
I wonder how powerful the electromagnets would need to be and how fast they would need to switch to get the shot moving faster than the shell could alone?
@@gwoody4003 you would need something ferrous, like steel or iron but it wouldn't necessarily have to be entirely ferrous. Steel in the context of a shotgun enhanced in this way would be fine but for rifles the outer layer would still need to be something that could be compressed to engage the rifling so such munitions would likely be steel core, or perhaps a saboted steel projectile. Of course in this universe having armor implanted under your skin and metal bones is a thing, so steel core armor piercing munitions may not only be normal but necessary.
That Warden gun is pretty hilarious to me. I wonder if the devs/designers saw a Makita drill and said "Yes, we need one of those. Same color and everything. Just add some gun-ish stuff to it." It's great.
When I saw 'Her Majesty', my first thought was the HK Mk.23 with the bulky front mounted laser sight/flashlight unit and the suppressor, especially given that likely the most famous digital incarnation of the Mk.23 is as Solid Snake's SOCOM pistol in the Metal Gear series, and the themes of espionage and conspiracy that are iconic in Metal Gear and central to Phantom Liberty, I thought it was a bit of a nod to Metal Gear since the two pistols seem to fulfill similar roles as being the firearm of choice for a secret agent/special forces operative deep in enemy territory with little to no back-up.
That feels incredibly overcomplicated considering how many mag dumps you have to do over extended periods of time irl before a pistol starts having issues
@@Hawk7886 true, depends how overloaded the rounds are though, as this and its variants usually have high explosive and burning side effects (still dumb I know)
i was actually really disappointed to see Her Maj was just a Unity was a thing on the front, cool looking gun that ends up not looking interesting in first person.
5:00 That gun is actually a rail gun (called "tech weapon" in game). The bullets are metal needles accelerated by electromagnetic force and do not need gun powder. So it can carry 21 rounds per magazine.
And the first gun has a retrofitted gauss gun element, the side by side shotgun. So, the gunpowder kicks it through the coils and then supposedly the coils accelerate the shot further.
@@HanSolo__ Pretty much. Mike Pondsmith the creator of Cyberpunk, had a dad that was in the military. I bet he got these ideas from his dad taking him around on the base when he was a little kid. Since he transferred alot with his family in tow.
If anyone is curious about the real life counterpart of the strange looking ''NDI Osprey'', you can look up the prototype Barrett model M82A2 It is very close (I'm pretty sure). You can find it in a video from Brandon Herrera where he showcase the Rifle and even do a bit of run and gun called : ''Anti-Aircraft .50 Cal - Super Rare Prototype Weapon''. Have a great day everyone :)
@@idinahui130 Agreed! good point, I can see the Gm6 modern aesthetics and size, mixed with the Barret anti-aircraft strange over the shoulder mechanism.
I wonder if they’re keeping that in the back pocket until there’s a lull in game releases, because the newer games are probably more popular if released as concurrently as possible
I want to suggest ArmA 3: Prairie Fire. A fantastic Vietnam DLC with both bread and butter weapons and some SOG unicorns that Jonathan would surely appreciate. Cut-down RPDs, Stoners, the Hathcock M2 browning, Armson OEG sights!
If I'm not mistaken that large rectangle under the tech shotgun is probably a battery, but it requires capacitors to create a high enough current. Those 12 little squares strapped to the barrel are probably those capacitors. I think the game uses animation on them to show the capacitors recharging (because in reality capacitors don't really look all that cool or fancy). So basically I think that gun is a hand held railgun that uses propellant from the shells to assist the acceleration of the slugs? That's the only reason I can imagine such a gun would have recoil.
I think it looks like some kind of electric gun tech being used to augment the performance of a conventional powder gun. Note also that recoil is produced no matter how a projectile is accelerated.
Oh! I can name a direct inspiration for the front end of the Metel revolver. The OTs-38 silent (captive piston rounds) revolver is extremely similar, except the large barrel looking protrusion at the top is a laser and it fires from the bottom chamber of the cylinder.
I'm surprised Johnathan didn't comment on the resemblance between the miltech ticon and the kriss vektor. They both have the bulky front end that houses the vektor's unique recoil mitigating system.
The smart guns are really good for vehicle combat specifically when you do the driving missions that randomly spawn, just hold the rear camera button and fire near the driver gun does the rest
I am LOVING the 2.0 update, and, Phantom Liberty! The new guns, the improved cyberware, the vastly improved engine sounds for the cars, it's like a whole new game!
@@Gatorade69Welp it's at least fixed now, and you get a far better experience on the PC. The poor last gens consoles were not gonna play this well. Got no clue why put it on em.
@@kingcaesar3693 Luckily I didn't buy it, Just played it at a friends. CDPR should have never wasted development time on the last Gen versions. Socks they lied and said the games "ran surprisingly well."
I love that this series started in 2020(?) as what seemed to be a short series, and has evolved into a long running one! One good thing about 2020, we all got Jonathan!
I feel sad Jonathan has yet to be shown the Malorian that was Johnnys. And also in this DLC there's a Blackwall AI SMG you can craft after one of the missions depending on your choices (you'd probably want to look up how you do this cause its easy to miss. But I feel like from when I've heard him talk about futuristic weapons, that SMG would impress him. It fires AI billets at people that basically mess with their cyberwear and then they collapse into smokey heaps.
Interesting thought about the H9. But when I look at "Her Majesty" this looks more like an underbarrel attachment to me. It reminds me of that Light/Laser module some H&K USPs and the Mk.23 have. Also the rest of the gun looks very similar to the Liberty and Unity guns in the game, so it is likely a heavily modified variant of that design
My imagination is it's somehow related to the suppressor. Actually, I have a better idea. The gun interfaces with camoflage in game, so it needs an onboard chipset for that.
Fun fact(oid): if you clean/oil a Luger too well it'll fire the entire mag in one go. I've had that happen a few times with different Lugers over the years. Cleaned it too well, put in a bit too much oil/lubricant, and wham bam semi-auto Luger
SQUAD just had a major update where they completely reworked many of the FPS mechanics of the game. It would be cool to see Jonathan’s thoughts on the new combat system, as well as more weapons, of course.
How big is the player base for Squad ? I've been looking for some other games to play. Mostly been playing Battlebit but wonder about Squad and Insurgency Sandstorm.
I'd love to see him comment of video game SCENES where they talk about weapons. Like in MGS 3 when Snake talks about the Colt M1911 after recieving it.
Fun fact, in the original TTRPG Cyberpunk 2020. It came out in the early 90's and they were all G11 pilled, so they say outright that pretty much every assault rifle is both careless and bullpup.
I think I figured out the last gun that smart gun what’s going on with it. So you load the helical magazine on top and it uses the canister on the bottom to store some sort of gas propellant and the battery then gives the propellant a shock to ignite and send your bullet hurtling along. Also you’ll notice it ejects no casing because it’s a caseless round that may have an inbuilt propulsion to help it reach the target with sufficient force. Ok I’m done I just thought that was neat
8:07 so that gun is actually a modified "slaugh-o-metric", the very cheap plastic gun from the based game that you can buy from the vending machine. It seems that the people in Dogtown are very resourceful that they got these junk and modified it into a functional and reloadable tech gun
2:09 I'm guessing the in-game shotgun is a normal shotgun, but with electromagnets added to give it the additional functionality of a coilgun/MAC gun. Those arrays of greeblies are magnetic coils that accelerate the projectile to lethal speeds... or they would if it wasn't already a shotgun. Instead, I'm guessing that they increase the muzzle velocity from a normal 12-gauge buckshot payload's MV all the way to some kind of hypsersonic velocity. Gunpowder make pellets go fast, magnet assist pellets go *even faster!* It would work in 2 stages, with the rounds firing probably tripping a perpendicular bore laser that sends a signal to the gun's onboard computer to begin the magnetic acceleration process of the added-on coilgun parts. "But it's just buckshot, made of lead; it's not magnetic enough to be affected by something like this." I know that lead isn't magnetic, *but,* the wadding very much could be some magnetic material instead of plastic - and thus highly receptive to the forces exerted by the coils. Basically just shotgun + coilgun = shotgun but the pellets fly faster & hit harder.
I love that the Satara shotgun is Serbian gun according to Cyberpunk lore, made by fictonal company Rostović, and is described as reliable and low-cost. Kinda mirrors reality, since Zastava guns are best middle-range AKs and guns in general you can buy today. Love my Zastava M90.
20:33 I feel the "fuel tank" probably holds a coolant. Kinda like the battery on the FIM-1 stinger. That round thing on a stinger? It's both a battery and cooling unit. The computer parts get so hot that they need to be sprayed with argon.
Isn't it also that highly-sensitive thermal cameras (like, for example, on heat-seeking or partially heat-seeking missiles) become more accurate the colder they, themselves, are? I figure chilling the thermal sensors is probably what's using a lot of the coolant on surface-to-air missile systems, but I have no special knowledge of that sort of thing.
I haven't played it, but my reasoning for merging revolving chambers and a grip magazine is to lower the bore axis. The magazine feeds the rounds into the top chamber, the chamber then rotates so that the round is fired from extremely low bore axis and there you go: magazine capacity of a modern pistol, recoil mitigation of a Mateba/Chiappa revolver. Seing how much power that thing has, I believe compensating for recoil that way would be a valid, if not unconventional and overengineered way to go about it.
@@leMercenaire667 Not if there is a pistol grip with a trigger mechanism in front of it, no. The barrel will always be on top of your hand. With a bottom barreled revolver it will run parallel to your pointer for good recoil control.
Hey! I can actually add something here. The reason double barrel shotguns are still in use is actually because of nomads, the nomad clans use a lot of older weapons because they're more rugged and easier to service. They're also known to use bows and crossbows mad max style.
I always like your videos anyway (especially compared to some other 'experts' who make no attempt to understand what they're looking at) but this one especially you really go above and beyond to try to understand the how and why of a particular weapon's characteristic and functionality. The best kind of analysis of fiction is trying to understand the world decisions first, rather than going straight to picking holes in it, and I (as a fiction writer) appreciate that.
@6:33 "It was the talk of the town:" absolutely the greatest interaction to date on this channel, thank you gentleman for the full-on laugh. I spilled my drink.
I think the Metel is based on a Norwegian design for an identically functioning magazine-fed revolver, minus the Luger-toggle. It fed rounds from a magazine into a two-chamber revolving cylinder that acted more like an elevator for the rounds.
Some game studios need to just hire this guy and let his imagination go wild. I know he loves the armory but even just a short term consultation gig would be super neat to see where it went. I can't even imagine what kind of plausible yet really cool stuff he can slap together in collaboration with some game devs.
The punch analogy is good but I would have said with the but stock up against your shoulder with no space your shoulder both accelerate at the same speed as the stock. With some space there is a massive acceleration difference when the stock hits your shoulder.
I your case the gun would hit your shoulder much more heavily than if it was it was touching it, it’s just like the punch analogy and you can try it out.
10:26 for me this is their homage to the USP from Metal Gear Solid, because the mission you're taking it on is basically that too (at least it immediately reminded me of the first area of MGS1)
The thing I think should've been mentioned is with all tech weapons, aka anything that has a "charge time", they're stated to be guns that use electro-magnetic acceleration, including the shotgun first shown at the beginning. In-game tooltips even like to mention rail gun technology specifically. I think these criticism / analyses would be interesting to see if they were also looking at the guns in terms of "how plausibly did they design these guns for what they intended them to be". But I can understand how that could introduce a level of observer's bias, where then you'd no longer analyze the gun with a fresh pair of eyes but instead try to look for specific elements to justify that thing and overlook other aspects, so all the same interesting video to go over, but it would've been worth to hear the first impression then have the guy who captured the footage explain "Okay, so this is what they intended this to be", and then to hear "Huh, okay, that's plausible" or "yeah no they kinda missed the mark on this one, could've done it like this instead". Personal opinion only, though. - Cool video series as always, nevertheless.
I believe the double barrel is supposed to be a conventional shotgun slash coil gun. Like those "greeblies" on it are elctromagnetic coils and it's helping to increase the velocity of the shot pellets.
Haven't played the game, but just from looking at that shotgun I think I can piece together its history. The base gun is probably a retro thing, a cyberpunk take on a classic coach gun. It's the kind of thing you sell to folks who want some western flavor in their neon-lit street battles. The electric parts look like later additions to make it a two-stage weapon. Standard chemical propellant to get the payload moving, sequenced coils to accelerate it past the point of sanity.
My brother is a lefty, and he began adulthood right at the tail end of the "right hand is the tactically correct hand" era. He had me look for something in his gun safe a few months ago, and now over half his collection is either ambidextrous or ejects cartridges to the left. The world is healing.
So as Jonathan noted with regards to the pump action shotgun being cheaper, Constitutional Arms is one of the companies that canonically designs and sells significantly cheaper weaponry for personal defense for non-Edgerunners.
I always enjoy this!! As an American watching this, it's quite enjoyable a Brit talking about this. And I always enjoy him with the Cyberpunk series...and him connecting our timeline to Cyberpunk's.
dude I would die of happiness if they could get an episode with Jonathan and Ian from forgotten weapons for an episode or just to see the two of them talk about the strangest weapons from history
IIRC the sniper's mount was what was silencing it as when you use it unmounted it isnt silenced anymore (and it would make sense that silencing a non powder weapon would be weird so it used a big contraption for it)
1:05 That reminds me of how in Freeman's Mind 2 (Freeman's Mind is a machinima series in Half-Life and then Half-life 2 for Freeman's Mind 2 where basically a guy talks over the gameplay as if he is Freeman, very comical) he has the gravity gun shoot him back when he punts objects as it would do if it were in the real world.
@Jonathan, all the 'electric' type weapons in this video are 'tech weapons' in-game, meaning that they function via electromagnetics. Like railguns or coilguns. Single-shot electromag weapons charge up to shoot through walls, but anything like an smg or assault-rifle is single-shot when uncharged, and full-auto/burst-fire when charged. Not sure how that's supposed to work, but that's how it is.
There is actually a modern (sort of) gun that fires bursts that cannot be interrupted (but only when improperly modified). If you cram two recoil springs into a kpist m/45 "swedish k", it will dump the entire magazine with one trigger pull at a much higher cyclic rate than normal. This is according to my father who had one in his military service.
The gun called "Her Majesty" could be a hybrid of a gunpowder operated firearm and a rail gun. As the bullet goes down the barel it goes through electrified rails as a boost.
The starting shotgun is just a unique version of a shotgun that's already in the game. If you look at the discription for the Sagata, it tells you what the electro-stuff is for and (theoretically) how it works.
Jonathan mentions large weapons non augmented humans couldnt use and those are actually very prevalent in the tabletop game. My favourite one would be the Slamdance HyperHammer, a rocket propelled hammer.
The Luger/Revolver pistol could work on the principle that the is only 2 "Chambers in it. So, all the Toggle is doing is extracting the top chamber and then loading the next round into the bottom. So, as it fires the toggle extracts the top empty casing, the cylinder rotates the bottom cylinder to the top, then the toggle closes loading a new round into the now empty bottom chamber and hooking the extractor on the top chamber which has an empty casing in it. Gun will fire from the bottom chamber in this scenario.
Silly thought: what's better than taking out the magazine safety so you can fire the one shot in the chamber if you get interrupted while reloading? Putting a whole revolver between the magazine and the barrel so you can fire up to six chambers if you get interrupted while reloading! Probably more like four out of six chambers, with an extractor linked to the bolt taking the empty from the previous shot out each time it's fired.
I think the Metel revolver is sort of based on the Dardick magazine fed revolver, which not only exists but was actually sold commercially for a little bit
I hope jonathan gets hired to work on designs for fictional sci fi weapons for games, movies, etc. Love his fascination with how they work while still understanding the priority is entertainment and not realism.
He has mentioned that some studios have asked for his advice in the past, as part of his job as a museum curator.
A great critic ≠ A great designer
In most cases yes, but not always.
There is a certain show that the Co Host happens to be the Master Armoror from the company nearly all movie and T.V shows use for guns, props and many other things called Hollywood Weapons, the main host is Terry Shappard. Jonathan could get in with that company, and the sky would be the limit on what projects he could work on and what advisory jobs he could do.
He did mention he was a consultant for some games when the devs wanted professional opinion, I didn't remember which episode it is tho
@@johnsmith4224 I know about that already, I was saying if he did that he'd get more consultant work.
I like the dynamic of Johnathan and Dave discussing the foibles of some of these.
Agreed. I like that Dave has become a part of the series. Not that Johnathan is ignorant of gaming tropes, quite the opposite, but having the guy who presumably collected the footage being reacted to adds valuable context to the discussion. Also, I just think the two of them are neat.
Absolutely. This series was already a 10/10, but Dave adding extra context (and humor) when needed brings it to an 11.
Yeah I really like that there's someone from Gamespot that gives the expert who presumably hasn't play the game, more context. In another gaming channel, which I won't name, they get experts to react to gaming stuff, but they just sit the expert there and watch the gaming footage without giving them any context, so a lot of times, the expert couldn't really react properly or you just know that they'd be able to give more insight if they knew the context more.
I'm glad you enjoy it! It's a lot of fun chatting to JF as we work together!
@@Samael767 You are too kind! Thank you!
I like including more of the longer conversations between Jonathan and Dave where they talk about the media itself a little more, great stuff!
We often chat too much haha. A directors cut or podcast version would be at least an hour lol
@IrregularDave Start giving us those directors cuts! Even if it's on another channel or something, I'm sure many of us would love to watch.
The Shotgun is essentially a double barrel Gauss/ Coil gun. Charging the gun allows you to create a series of electromagnetic pulses, accelerating the projectiles even faster than using only the powder charge.
Would that work... can you accelerate lead with magnets?
You would have to use steel shot.
Or a jacketed slug at least.
@@gwoody4003 I agree. Augmenting the performance of a conventional "powder gun" might be easier with an added Electrothermal Chemcal (ETC) gun upgrade but we tend not to see much of such guns in the scifi and video game universes.
I wonder how powerful the electromagnets would need to be and how fast they would need to switch to get the shot moving faster than the shell could alone?
@@gwoody4003 you would need something ferrous, like steel or iron but it wouldn't necessarily have to be entirely ferrous. Steel in the context of a shotgun enhanced in this way would be fine but for rifles the outer layer would still need to be something that could be compressed to engage the rifling so such munitions would likely be steel core, or perhaps a saboted steel projectile. Of course in this universe having armor implanted under your skin and metal bones is a thing, so steel core armor piercing munitions may not only be normal but necessary.
@@gwoody4003From what I remember it shoots big spikes not traditional shot..
The revolver magazine one reminds me of the dardick pistol with how it pretty much uses the revolver system to eject the spent casing
Dar- what?
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Dardick 1500 or 1200, it's the designer's name, designed sometime in the mid 1950s
@@masrendra8625 it also used triangular rounds, it was very cool. Ian has a video on Forgotten Weapons if you want to check it out
My thoughts exactly! If it's got polymer casings it's absolutely based on the Dardick
It's closer to the Landstad 1900.
That Warden gun is pretty hilarious to me. I wonder if the devs/designers saw a Makita drill and said "Yes, we need one of those. Same color and everything. Just add some gun-ish stuff to it." It's great.
The Chesapeake [Amazon Prime drop] Iconic version of the Warden is dynamite, no matter what it looks like.
I can imagine that even being the in-game explanation, a gun made by a power tools corporation/department of a megacorp
When I saw 'Her Majesty', my first thought was the HK Mk.23 with the bulky front mounted laser sight/flashlight unit and the suppressor, especially given that likely the most famous digital incarnation of the Mk.23 is as Solid Snake's SOCOM pistol in the Metal Gear series, and the themes of espionage and conspiracy that are iconic in Metal Gear and central to Phantom Liberty, I thought it was a bit of a nod to Metal Gear since the two pistols seem to fulfill similar roles as being the firearm of choice for a secret agent/special forces operative deep in enemy territory with little to no back-up.
I just got that in game. Saw that and instantly thought mk23. I was a bit disappointed when he didn’t talk about it.
I deadass saw Her Majesty in the trailer and thought we would be getting even more gun customization like lights and lasers, oh the fool I was lol
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I feel the "metel" isnt revolving bullets, i think its rotating barrels to prevent overheating the barrel. Kind of like the Briar from Andor
The briar pistol is so badass. mfin space magnum.
I was thinking the same
That feels incredibly overcomplicated considering how many mag dumps you have to do over extended periods of time irl before a pistol starts having issues
@@Hawk7886 true, depends how overloaded the rounds are though, as this and its variants usually have high explosive and burning side effects (still dumb I know)
Honestly kind of makes sense.
I kinda like the design of the Unity/Her Majesty. It almost looks like someone took the slide and hammer off an HK 45, and put it in a Hudson frame.
i was actually really disappointed to see Her Maj was just a Unity was a thing on the front, cool looking gun that ends up not looking interesting in first person.
Really reminds me of the Falcon 2 from the N64 Perfect Dark.
It's the futuristic "SOCOM" H&K Mk23 complete with laser aiming module and suppressor
5:00 That gun is actually a rail gun (called "tech weapon" in game). The bullets are metal needles accelerated by electromagnetic force and do not need gun powder. So it can carry 21 rounds per magazine.
depends if it uses betamax or vhs tapes xD
And the first gun has a retrofitted gauss gun element, the side by side shotgun. So, the gunpowder kicks it through the coils and then supposedly the coils accelerate the shot further.
That's why it has a recoil mitigation device up front which blows the cartridge fire to the sides?
@@HanSolo__ Pretty much. Mike Pondsmith the creator of Cyberpunk, had a dad that was in the military. I bet he got these ideas from his dad taking him around on the base when he was a little kid. Since he transferred alot with his family in tow.
@@HanSolo__ Modern railguns do have gas discharge due to the vaporizing of the conductive material into metal plasma.
If anyone is curious about the real life counterpart of the strange looking ''NDI Osprey'', you can look up the prototype Barrett model M82A2 It is very close (I'm pretty sure). You can find it in a video from Brandon Herrera where he showcase the Rifle and even do a bit of run and gun called : ''Anti-Aircraft .50 Cal - Super Rare Prototype Weapon''. Have a great day everyone :)
Tbh the front reminds me of a keltec rdb slightly
also it resembles the gm6 lynx too
@@idinahui130 Agreed! good point, I can see the Gm6 modern aesthetics and size, mixed with the Barret anti-aircraft strange over the shoulder mechanism.
Brandon Herrera 🤮
The M82A2 also appeared in Jurassic Park 3 under the name Iron Hawk
I really want to see Jonathan break down the guns from The Order 1886
Yes please
😂 persistence will pay off!
I wonder if they’re keeping that in the back pocket until there’s a lull in game releases, because the newer games are probably more popular if released as concurrently as possible
At this point seeing this comment is becoming part of my Saturday routine
This. This man gets it
I want to suggest ArmA 3: Prairie Fire. A fantastic Vietnam DLC with both bread and butter weapons and some SOG unicorns that Jonathan would surely appreciate. Cut-down RPDs, Stoners, the Hathcock M2 browning, Armson OEG sights!
If I'm not mistaken that large rectangle under the tech shotgun is probably a battery, but it requires capacitors to create a high enough current. Those 12 little squares strapped to the barrel are probably those capacitors. I think the game uses animation on them to show the capacitors recharging (because in reality capacitors don't really look all that cool or fancy). So basically I think that gun is a hand held railgun that uses propellant from the shells to assist the acceleration of the slugs? That's the only reason I can imagine such a gun would have recoil.
The gun uses steel flechettes in place of buckshot, and combines powder with an electromagnetic accelerator
idk about that, i think capacitors look pretty cool
@@Leo.23232As an electrician I agree, but they wouldn't make for very good game-feel.
@@K2niarDneK have you seen some of the real coil guns out there, the array of capacitors on them i think looks interesting
I think it looks like some kind of electric gun tech being used to augment the performance of a conventional powder gun. Note also that recoil is produced no matter how a projectile is accelerated.
Oh! I can name a direct inspiration for the front end of the Metel revolver. The OTs-38 silent (captive piston rounds) revolver is extremely similar, except the large barrel looking protrusion at the top is a laser and it fires from the bottom chamber of the cylinder.
Also "metel'" is "snowstorm" in russian, so developers were definitely inspired by some soviet/russian firearm
I'm surprised Johnathan didn't comment on the resemblance between the miltech ticon and the kriss vektor. They both have the bulky front end that houses the vektor's unique recoil mitigating system.
The smart guns are really good for vehicle combat specifically when you do the driving missions that randomly spawn, just hold the rear camera button and fire near the driver gun does the rest
I am LOVING the 2.0 update, and, Phantom Liberty! The new guns, the improved cyberware, the vastly improved engine sounds for the cars, it's like a whole new game!
HAHA! I am familiar with the 80s "format wars" between VHS, and, Betamax. I lived through it.
I'm debating on buying the game now that I have a PC. My only experience was Cyberpunk on the PS4 before.
@@Gatorade69Welp it's at least fixed now, and you get a far better experience on the PC. The poor last gens consoles were not gonna play this well. Got no clue why put it on em.
@@kingcaesar3693 Luckily I didn't buy it, Just played it at a friends. CDPR should have never wasted development time on the last Gen versions. Socks they lied and said the games "ran surprisingly well."
22:12 that's not the magazine.
That's the guns battery for all it's smart systems and features probably.
I love that this series started in 2020(?) as what seemed to be a short series, and has evolved into a long running one!
One good thing about 2020, we all got Jonathan!
Jonathan's therapist: the Gluger isn't real, it can't hurt you
The Magluger? 🤔
I feel sad Jonathan has yet to be shown the Malorian that was Johnnys. And also in this DLC there's a Blackwall AI SMG you can craft after one of the missions depending on your choices (you'd probably want to look up how you do this cause its easy to miss. But I feel like from when I've heard him talk about futuristic weapons, that SMG would impress him. It fires AI billets at people that basically mess with their cyberwear and then they collapse into smokey heaps.
Interesting thought about the H9. But when I look at "Her Majesty" this looks more like an underbarrel attachment to me. It reminds me of that Light/Laser module some H&K USPs and the Mk.23 have. Also the rest of the gun looks very similar to the Liberty and Unity guns in the game, so it is likely a heavily modified variant of that design
It pretty much is just a Unity with an underbarrel module and suppressor.
i assumed it was supposed to be a mk23 socom also considering the spy thriller vibe they're going for
My imagination is it's somehow related to the suppressor. Actually, I have a better idea. The gun interfaces with camoflage in game, so it needs an onboard chipset for that.
Fun fact(oid): if you clean/oil a Luger too well it'll fire the entire mag in one go. I've had that happen a few times with different Lugers over the years. Cleaned it too well, put in a bit too much oil/lubricant, and wham bam semi-auto Luger
SQUAD just had a major update where they completely reworked many of the FPS mechanics of the game. It would be cool to see Jonathan’s thoughts on the new combat system, as well as more weapons, of course.
How big is the player base for Squad ? I've been looking for some other games to play. Mostly been playing Battlebit but wonder about Squad and Insurgency Sandstorm.
I’m liking these bits with Jonathan and Dave just chatting away
I'd love to see him comment of video game SCENES where they talk about weapons. Like in MGS 3 when Snake talks about the Colt M1911 after recieving it.
"Engravings; Give you no tactical advantage whatsoever.."
I think Her Majesty (The silenced pistol) might be based on the Mk 23 MOD 0 with the prototype laser module
Fun fact, in the original TTRPG Cyberpunk 2020. It came out in the early 90's and they were all G11 pilled, so they say outright that pretty much every assault rifle is both careless and bullpup.
Don't forget that in Cyberpunk style counts for almost as much as substance.
the shotgun at the beginning is basically a shotgun with a railgun ability
I think I figured out the last gun that smart gun what’s going on with it. So you load the helical magazine on top and it uses the canister on the bottom to store some sort of gas propellant and the battery then gives the propellant a shock to ignite and send your bullet hurtling along. Also you’ll notice it ejects no casing because it’s a caseless round that may have an inbuilt propulsion to help it reach the target with sufficient force. Ok I’m done I just thought that was neat
thank you gamespot i have been waiting for a new firearms expert reacts video
8:07 so that gun is actually a modified "slaugh-o-metric", the very cheap plastic gun from the based game that you can buy from the vending machine. It seems that the people in Dogtown are very resourceful that they got these junk and modified it into a functional and reloadable tech gun
Pushing as always for you guys to have Jonathan cover Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter and to cover the M8 and MRI Caseless specifically as well.
2:09 I'm guessing the in-game shotgun is a normal shotgun, but with electromagnets added to give it the additional functionality of a coilgun/MAC gun. Those arrays of greeblies are magnetic coils that accelerate the projectile to lethal speeds... or they would if it wasn't already a shotgun. Instead, I'm guessing that they increase the muzzle velocity from a normal 12-gauge buckshot payload's MV all the way to some kind of hypsersonic velocity. Gunpowder make pellets go fast, magnet assist pellets go *even faster!*
It would work in 2 stages, with the rounds firing probably tripping a perpendicular bore laser that sends a signal to the gun's onboard computer to begin the magnetic acceleration process of the added-on coilgun parts.
"But it's just buckshot, made of lead; it's not magnetic enough to be affected by something like this."
I know that lead isn't magnetic, *but,* the wadding very much could be some magnetic material instead of plastic - and thus highly receptive to the forces exerted by the coils.
Basically just shotgun + coilgun = shotgun but the pellets fly faster & hit harder.
I just love when Jonathan have a casual conversation with Dave.
The revolver nicely fits in as a "kitsch" style weapon with its wacky construction being more style than function
The osprey just looks like a futuristic m82a2
I would love to see Jonathan's reaction to the guns of armored core 6. Especially some of the shoulder weapons.
I wish we had the lead weapon designer to add it the conversation from the gameplay perspective
I love that the Satara shotgun is Serbian gun according to Cyberpunk lore, made by fictonal company Rostović, and is described as reliable and low-cost. Kinda mirrors reality, since Zastava guns are best middle-range AKs and guns in general you can buy today. Love my Zastava M90.
20:33 I feel the "fuel tank" probably holds a coolant. Kinda like the battery on the FIM-1 stinger.
That round thing on a stinger? It's both a battery and cooling unit. The computer parts get so hot that they need to be sprayed with argon.
Isn't it also that highly-sensitive thermal cameras (like, for example, on heat-seeking or partially heat-seeking missiles) become more accurate the colder they, themselves, are? I figure chilling the thermal sensors is probably what's using a lot of the coolant on surface-to-air missile systems, but I have no special knowledge of that sort of thing.
My favourite Handgun is the Mk.23 SOCOM, so you can imagine my excitement when I first laid eyes on Her Majesty.
I haven't played it, but my reasoning for merging revolving chambers and a grip magazine is to lower the bore axis. The magazine feeds the rounds into the top chamber, the chamber then rotates so that the round is fired from extremely low bore axis and there you go: magazine capacity of a modern pistol, recoil mitigation of a Mateba/Chiappa revolver.
Seing how much power that thing has, I believe compensating for recoil that way would be a valid, if not unconventional and overengineered way to go about it.
You could just have a standard automatic with a lower bore access
@@leMercenaire667 Not if there is a pistol grip with a trigger mechanism in front of it, no. The barrel will always be on top of your hand. With a bottom barreled revolver it will run parallel to your pointer for good recoil control.
The silenced pistol looks more like the fully kitted out usp.45 pistols from Cod. The box is the main giveaway to that idea
just noticed the black templar in the back round, blessing of the emperor to you dave
Would love to see The Order 1886 some day!
The Double Barreled Shotgun the ORDER is modeled after is actually a Baikal IZH-43.
Hey! I can actually add something here. The reason double barrel shotguns are still in use is actually because of nomads, the nomad clans use a lot of older weapons because they're more rugged and easier to service. They're also known to use bows and crossbows mad max style.
I always like your videos anyway (especially compared to some other 'experts' who make no attempt to understand what they're looking at) but this one especially you really go above and beyond to try to understand the how and why of a particular weapon's characteristic and functionality. The best kind of analysis of fiction is trying to understand the world decisions first, rather than going straight to picking holes in it, and I (as a fiction writer) appreciate that.
really enjoyed seeing Jonathan react to some gameplay a little more this episode
Starting Phantom Liberty tonight. 2.0 made this game a top 5 ever for me
@6:33 "It was the talk of the town:" absolutely the greatest interaction to date on this channel, thank you gentleman for the full-on laugh. I spilled my drink.
i love Jonathan's idea for the 'alternate ammo type' firing on that pistol that is really cool!
I think the Metel is based on a Norwegian design for an identically functioning magazine-fed revolver, minus the Luger-toggle. It fed rounds from a magazine into a two-chamber revolving cylinder that acted more like an elevator for the rounds.
That "Metel" revolver-thingie is giving me major Blade Runner vibes
I'm suprised Jonathan doesn't mentioned the MK23 Socom when Her Majesty was featured
Some game studios need to just hire this guy and let his imagination go wild. I know he loves the armory but even just a short term consultation gig would be super neat to see where it went. I can't even imagine what kind of plausible yet really cool stuff he can slap together in collaboration with some game devs.
The punch analogy is good but I would have said with the but stock up against your shoulder with no space your shoulder both accelerate at the same speed as the stock. With some space there is a massive acceleration difference when the stock hits your shoulder.
I your case the gun would hit your shoulder much more heavily than if it was it was touching it, it’s just like the punch analogy and you can try it out.
10:26 for me this is their homage to the USP from Metal Gear Solid, because the mission you're taking it on is basically that too (at least it immediately reminded me of the first area of MGS1)
The thing I think should've been mentioned is with all tech weapons, aka anything that has a "charge time", they're stated to be guns that use electro-magnetic acceleration, including the shotgun first shown at the beginning. In-game tooltips even like to mention rail gun technology specifically.
I think these criticism / analyses would be interesting to see if they were also looking at the guns in terms of "how plausibly did they design these guns for what they intended them to be".
But I can understand how that could introduce a level of observer's bias, where then you'd no longer analyze the gun with a fresh pair of eyes but instead try to look for specific elements to justify that thing and overlook other aspects, so all the same interesting video to go over, but it would've been worth to hear the first impression then have the guy who captured the footage explain "Okay, so this is what they intended this to be", and then to hear "Huh, okay, that's plausible" or "yeah no they kinda missed the mark on this one, could've done it like this instead".
Personal opinion only, though. - Cool video series as always, nevertheless.
I believe the double barrel is supposed to be a conventional shotgun slash coil gun. Like those "greeblies" on it are elctromagnetic coils and it's helping to increase the velocity of the shot pellets.
shouldve also mentioned that most enemies have subdermal armor lining
Gotta love the banter between you two
Haven't played the game, but just from looking at that shotgun I think I can piece together its history.
The base gun is probably a retro thing, a cyberpunk take on a classic coach gun. It's the kind of thing you sell to folks who want some western flavor in their neon-lit street battles.
The electric parts look like later additions to make it a two-stage weapon. Standard chemical propellant to get the payload moving, sequenced coils to accelerate it past the point of sanity.
You got it right
My brother is a lefty, and he began adulthood right at the tail end of the "right hand is the tactically correct hand" era. He had me look for something in his gun safe a few months ago, and now over half his collection is either ambidextrous or ejects cartridges to the left. The world is healing.
This is better than the guy on gamelogy comparing every gun to a 1911.
That's definitely most of the cyberpunk guns done, but I was kind of hoping Guts might have made an appearance
the hudson H9 lives on through airsoft and it is a neat thing to see any time someone has one on the field
23:42 "it knows where it is , it knows where it isn't and it knows where it needs to be
14:05 Jonathan is really starting to think with a sci-fi mind now, this is a badass idea!
that first second is definitely the best shot of jonathan we've had
So as Jonathan noted with regards to the pump action shotgun being cheaper, Constitutional Arms is one of the companies that canonically designs and sells significantly cheaper weaponry for personal defense for non-Edgerunners.
I love the smart weapons in this game. They are a lot of fun and you can just unload without really having to aim
I have a huge respect for Jonathan he knows his stuff
Shotgun slug +railgun tech equals Uber powerful shotgun I guess
I always enjoy this!! As an American watching this, it's quite enjoyable a Brit talking about this. And I always enjoy him with the Cyberpunk series...and him connecting our timeline to Cyberpunk's.
"If you find a giant cyberpunk three round burst anti-material rifle, make sure you pull it in tight." got it, kids?
I’m sure an in-depth analysis like this would also be really interesting to watch in regards to the System Shock remake..
I'm a bit surprised that Jonathan didn't recognize the M82A2 being an inspiration for the Osprey but still great video as always
I like this version where you discuss things and speculate.
dude I would die of happiness if they could get an episode with Jonathan and Ian from forgotten weapons for an episode or just to see the two of them talk about the strangest weapons from history
I think Jonathan is in a video on Forgotten Weapons.
IIRC the sniper's mount was what was silencing it as when you use it unmounted it isnt silenced anymore (and it would make sense that silencing a non powder weapon would be weird so it used a big contraption for it)
1:05
That reminds me of how in Freeman's Mind 2 (Freeman's Mind is a machinima series in Half-Life and then Half-life 2 for Freeman's Mind 2 where basically a guy talks over the gameplay as if he is Freeman, very comical) he has the gravity gun shoot him back when he punts objects as it would do if it were in the real world.
Born 1992 and I had access to most forms of cassette media. 8-track, vhs, beta max, and even had a few old vinyl records.
Cyberpunk, Star Wars, and Fallout are the only bits of media where I outright LOVE the fictional weapons.
@Jonathan, all the 'electric' type weapons in this video are 'tech weapons' in-game, meaning that they function via electromagnetics. Like railguns or coilguns.
Single-shot electromag weapons charge up to shoot through walls, but anything like an smg or assault-rifle is single-shot when uncharged, and full-auto/burst-fire when charged.
Not sure how that's supposed to work, but that's how it is.
1:10 that's so cool, the shotgun has different loading animations
There is actually a modern (sort of) gun that fires bursts that cannot be interrupted (but only when improperly modified). If you cram two recoil springs into a kpist m/45 "swedish k", it will dump the entire magazine with one trigger pull at a much higher cyclic rate than normal. This is according to my father who had one in his military service.
The gun called "Her Majesty" could be a hybrid of a gunpowder operated firearm and a rail gun. As the bullet goes down the barel it goes through electrified rails as a boost.
The starting shotgun is just a unique version of a shotgun that's already in the game. If you look at the discription for the Sagata, it tells you what the electro-stuff is for and (theoretically) how it works.
It would be cool to see Jonathan reacting to the guns of Warframe
I want to see him react to the guns in SCP: 5k
Jonathan mentions large weapons non augmented humans couldnt use and those are actually very prevalent in the tabletop game. My favourite one would be the Slamdance HyperHammer, a rocket propelled hammer.
The Luger/Revolver pistol could work on the principle that the is only 2 "Chambers in it. So, all the Toggle is doing is extracting the top chamber and then loading the next round into the bottom. So, as it fires the toggle extracts the top empty casing, the cylinder rotates the bottom cylinder to the top, then the toggle closes loading a new round into the now empty bottom chamber and hooking the extractor on the top chamber which has an empty casing in it. Gun will fire from the bottom chamber in this scenario.
I would love to see this gentleman’s take on Starfield’s cursed weapons, especially the old earth guns.
Silly thought: what's better than taking out the magazine safety so you can fire the one shot in the chamber if you get interrupted while reloading? Putting a whole revolver between the magazine and the barrel so you can fire up to six chambers if you get interrupted while reloading!
Probably more like four out of six chambers, with an extractor linked to the bolt taking the empty from the previous shot out each time it's fired.
Was just watching some gameplay and thinking, wouldn't it be awesome if Jonathan did a gun reaction and here we are...
I think the Metel revolver is sort of based on the Dardick magazine fed revolver, which not only exists but was actually sold commercially for a little bit