When even Polarity is confused, you know that Bitwig really could improve on documentation 😂 Thanks for clarifying the Comp+!! Lets hope the next Betas make it more accessible/understandable out of the box.
The compressor+ almost seems like it's more of a set of modulators being fed by different bands all controlling the same broadband level knob, like multiband sidechain for a single band compressor and the its also like the "sidechains" have envelope shapers or transient shapers on the detection stage each.
I had trouble remembering the name of the clipper (they could have just called it clipper+ or something)... But after this video title I'll never forget it's 'Over'! Thanks for that @polarity 😊
Comp+ has a similar concept to Kotelnikov GE with its frequency dependent ratio. I found it quite useful and this looks even better. Wonder what that prism multiband thing is about, maybe it decreases the gain reduction dependency from one band's sidechain to the others?
I just played around with Compressor+ and Over (first time I ever got a beta) and just resampled some oldschool drums and compressed, clipped them, basically made them as loud as possible and played arount in repitch mode. And the results are fantastic! I usually made all my drums from scratch, but resampling this way (I make sure my new drums are decidedly different from the source) is so fun, while still being very much "mine" in style and post-processing. Honestly, these two alone make this one of Bitwig's best update. The only thing: When I resampled in 32 bit after using "Over", the channel is going over 0 (at around +1.9 db). Is this normal?
@@PolarityMusic So far, I liked the "clean" mode a lot. Also the multiband analysis is great for that to tame the "fundamental" a bit. Relly neat stuff. Yeah, I put the pcm at 0.0. It's only after resampling. Like, over works, but then the newly bounced file will go above 0.
thre's a one hpur interview of one of the bitwig creators i suppose and he clearly explains how this work, and that the idea, as u rightly guessed is to use our ears.
It's indeed multiband detection but singleband compression. TBH I'm still quite confused about it, among it the gain reduction and upward compression, and I didn't manage to get convincing results out of it. I suppose it needs some more time :)
According to the website it is clearly stated that is NOT a multiband compressor. No confusion. You can set it how it reacts to the bands but it processes it in single band. Like internal sidechaining but a bit more advanced.
I didn't see you pull the Auto Timing knob all the way to the right. Have you looked at the difference in reduction across the bands with Auto Timing active?
After 5.0 and now after 5.2 I see the fun of using only bitwig devices. It is very close to the moment of saying bitwig have ANYTHING you need to create any kind of music, with no touching piano roll at all.
I've started recently to move away from using multi-band plugins and trying to use more emphasis/de-emphasis as an alternative. It is not as surgical but does the job and helps to mix faster because also many MB related issues are gone, such as bad choices for crossing points and numerous phasing challenges.. [expect sometimes in 0% wet ("all-pass mode") for purposely causing phase rotations for mixing and color]
I believe that Compressor+ will be equally good.... It all started with Eventide Omnipressor. The philosophy of creative dynamic processing...:) is a wonderful development, for example, Flux Solera v3.
really nice walkthrough on the compressor+! however one point regarding the auto timing and the 'vanilla/smooth/smash' etc. stuff. i think they clearly change the sound just when you select them. even if auto timing is set to 0%. try to smash something with 0 attack, 0 release and infinite ratio. listen how different vanilla and smooth sounds when you change between then, even when auto timing is set to 0%.
I haven't played with it yet, but my immediate though is this is like a different take on the slow, fast and peak AMEK Mastering Compressor principle where you take different 'detectors' and apply different timings to them.
Nice video - I like learning about the beta features without needing to update myself (esp. since as you said the documentation lags behind). I think when demoing these features that change the volume of sounds it would be good to set up an A/B comparison between (say) the Compressor+ -> Over chain vs. just using a utility effect to change the volume by the same amount. Maybe use a lufs or other loudness meter to get the two chains to the same output level and then compare them. I agree that the Compressor+ -> Over chain you set up made it sound a lot better, but it also made it like 15-20dB louder. If you A/B that with a simple gain/volume change then you'll really be able to hear what the coloring/clipping is doing, and that can help decide if it actually sounds good (or if we should have just turned up the drums). Anyway, keep it up, you do great work. Thanks!
I find this compressor+ very interesting, but I never thought it is multi-band because it was said in I think even an official Bitwig video that it is not multi-band. Just kind of a sophisticated sidechain EQ, not only LPF/HPF like in most other compressors.
Wooot!! Shift register! Finally! I always wanted to simulated the shift register in the grid using S&H but cannot found a good way to do it. Shift register are insanely good for creating melody/ambient. I am so happy!
It's been pretty easy to set-up previously with a series of s&h and delay modules. Not efficient but definitely do-able. Check my Klee patches floating around if you want to check it out. Will have to revisit those patches now and see if the new shift register can improve the efficiency. Thanks for reminding me!
best thumbnail/title ever, Thumbnail+ you could say
couldnt resist 😅
We thought world was ending in 2 weeks 😂😂... But still good thumbnail/title!...
I couldn't believe that one weird trick, amazing!
the boy who cried wolf
nice click bait lol.
When even Polarity is confused, you know that Bitwig really could improve on documentation 😂
Thanks for clarifying the Comp+!! Lets hope the next Betas make it more accessible/understandable out of the box.
Really hope they will exchange the wet container of Over for a Delta container. Directly editing the delta signal is incredibly useful.
The compressor+ almost seems like it's more of a set of modulators being fed by different bands all controlling the same broadband level knob, like multiband sidechain for a single band compressor and the its also like the "sidechains" have envelope shapers or transient shapers on the detection stage each.
I had trouble remembering the name of the clipper (they could have just called it clipper+ or something)... But after this video title I'll never forget it's 'Over'! Thanks for that @polarity 😊
Comp+ has a similar concept to Kotelnikov GE with its frequency dependent ratio. I found it quite useful and this looks even better.
Wonder what that prism multiband thing is about, maybe it decreases the gain reduction dependency from one band's sidechain to the others?
My immediate reaction when I saw the title "ohhh nononononnonono"
OVER is my new go to tool when I need a ‘frying chicken’ sound.
😅
I just played around with Compressor+ and Over (first time I ever got a beta) and just resampled some oldschool drums and compressed, clipped them, basically made them as loud as possible and played arount in repitch mode.
And the results are fantastic!
I usually made all my drums from scratch, but resampling this way (I make sure my new drums are decidedly different from the source) is so fun, while still being very much "mine" in style and post-processing.
Honestly, these two alone make this one of Bitwig's best update.
The only thing: When I resampled in 32 bit after using "Over", the channel is going over 0 (at around +1.9 db). Is this normal?
Sounds good! vca color mode is pretty dope for this type of resampling. have you tried to enable the pcm clipper in the inspector?
@@PolarityMusic So far, I liked the "clean" mode a lot. Also the multiband analysis is great for that to tame the "fundamental" a bit. Relly neat stuff.
Yeah, I put the pcm at 0.0.
It's only after resampling. Like, over works, but then the newly bounced file will go above 0.
Bro 😢 hang in there!
Unfortunately this was his last video, he quit UA-cam…
So Comp+ basically has a multi-band detector for a single-band compressor?
This is ADPRT Audio's Sculpt in a DAW. Pure Genius. Bitwig Gang Forever 😎
What a rollercoaster of emotions
I didn’t think it was a clickbait title i figured it was the new clipper. Polarity forever ❤
I won't even watch because I can't hear it. But it's been a pleasure to listen to you all of this time. Farewell.
a solo function just to hear the selected bands only audio signal would be a nice touch as well
...and i was just beginning!
thre's a one hpur interview of one of the bitwig creators i suppose and he clearly explains how this work, and that the idea, as u rightly guessed is to use our ears.
It's indeed multiband detection but singleband compression. TBH I'm still quite confused about it, among it the gain reduction and upward compression, and I didn't manage to get convincing results out of it. I suppose it needs some more time :)
According to the website it is clearly stated that is NOT a multiband compressor. No confusion. You can set it how it reacts to the bands but it processes it in single band. Like internal sidechaining but a bit more advanced.
Compressor+ seems pretty easy to understand - you can control how different frequency ranges effect the compressor's behavior.
I didn't see you pull the Auto Timing knob all the way to the right. Have you looked at the difference in reduction across the bands with Auto Timing active?
After 5.0 and now after 5.2 I see the fun of using only bitwig devices. It is very close to the moment of saying bitwig have ANYTHING you need to create any kind of music, with no touching piano roll at all.
Great review!. 21:00 You can use to generate aleatory notes to generate percussive patterns.
Hmm... so maybe it is internally using the old emphasis/de-emphasis trick?
I've started recently to move away from using multi-band plugins and trying to use more emphasis/de-emphasis as an alternative. It is not as surgical but does the job and helps to mix faster because also many MB related issues are gone, such as bad choices for crossing points and numerous phasing challenges.. [expect sometimes in 0% wet ("all-pass mode") for purposely causing phase rotations for mixing and color]
What I comment next will shock you...
:D :D :D
I believe that Compressor+ will be equally good....
It all started with Eventide Omnipressor. The philosophy of creative dynamic processing...:) is a wonderful development, for example, Flux Solera v3.
He’s the clickbait master😂🙏🏽
its over.._.
I don't understand what prevented them from making a normal multiband compressor...They got lazy...😂
Can’t define crossover point? What…
Aren't you a bit 'over reacting'? ;-) - great update btw!
turns out its not over..
If they show the separate bands they couldn’t say „trust your ears“ 😉
Use your ears bro, use your ears
It's also the beginning and middle and also it never happened.
such a shame. i thought this compressor would take over my fabfilter-mb. very sneaky of them. i guess it safes developer costs
Just nest 3 of them in the multiband device and you have something even better than mb
lmao
He could also make videos exclusively in German and have more viewers. But he doesn't do it. Be happy!
You almost ruined my day.
I would never make a video like this; I would just stop uploading. 😅
@@PolarityMusic Also stop commenting and posting online so everyone starts rumoring that you're dead like many other youtubers 😄
In one of Bitwig's launch videos for 5.2 the guy said the Compressor+ isn't a multiband compressor, it just has a multiband detector.
sounds right. It's a bit confusing because it looks like it is.
I pretty much have every VST clipper going but Over is now my favorite ( at least for now ) it sounds amazing on drums.
looks like you change the sidechain signal , what the compressor see
really nice walkthrough on the compressor+! however one point regarding the auto timing and the 'vanilla/smooth/smash' etc. stuff. i think they clearly change the sound just when you select them. even if auto timing is set to 0%. try to smash something with 0 attack, 0 release and infinite ratio. listen how different vanilla and smooth sounds when you change between then, even when auto timing is set to 0%.
Next we want an ''I apologise'' thumbnail, with teary eyes :D :D :D.
I feel like I can’t use the compressor or over without the gain reduction amount. That would be a great addition for B2
It's like an OTT on steroids :)
That shift register melody reminds me of Todd Rundgren’s “Pulse.”
End of channel?
omg you can create a delay with custom properties each tap with that shift register
Wait unless it’s note grid only :/
Quite Confusing as usual quite complicated, would prefer a multiband compressor would not feel confident to use this fearing unpredictable outcomes
You could technically just put these into a Multiband FX-3 and there you go but maybe it’s not that simple for your use case
I haven't played with it yet, but my immediate though is this is like a different take on the slow, fast and peak AMEK Mastering Compressor principle where you take different 'detectors' and apply different timings to them.
Nice video - I like learning about the beta features without needing to update myself (esp. since as you said the documentation lags behind).
I think when demoing these features that change the volume of sounds it would be good to set up an A/B comparison between (say) the Compressor+ -> Over chain vs. just using a utility effect to change the volume by the same amount. Maybe use a lufs or other loudness meter to get the two chains to the same output level and then compare them. I agree that the Compressor+ -> Over chain you set up made it sound a lot better, but it also made it like 15-20dB louder. If you A/B that with a simple gain/volume change then you'll really be able to hear what the coloring/clipping is doing, and that can help decide if it actually sounds good (or if we should have just turned up the drums).
Anyway, keep it up, you do great work. Thanks!
I find this compressor+ very interesting, but I never thought it is multi-band because it was said in I think even an official Bitwig video that it is not multi-band. Just kind of a sophisticated sidechain EQ, not only LPF/HPF like in most other compressors.
...i'm pretty confident, limiter+ will be truu multiband compression that feeds into something like spectral brickwalling.....
So basically, instead of using a sc EQ to emphasize which frequency trigger the compression, we got multiband.
compressor+ multiband detection is similar to unisum, no ?
Yes it’s not multiband it works like Unisum with multiband detection
wow, very cool shift register ideas in here! thank you.
Very nice especially the idea with the shift register! ;)
Wooot!! Shift register! Finally! I always wanted to simulated the shift register in the grid using S&H but cannot found a good way to do it. Shift register are insanely good for creating melody/ambient. I am so happy!
It's been pretty easy to set-up previously with a series of s&h and delay modules. Not efficient but definitely do-able. Check my Klee patches floating around if you want to check it out. Will have to revisit those patches now and see if the new shift register can improve the efficiency. Thanks for reminding me!
It worked, I clicked on your puppy face.
Sending thoughts and prayers 😭
20:07 using over this way is genius. amazing
Not the note grid , Please ....!
Maybe when the input is amplified, it gets dirtier because the signal goes into clipping in the DAW itself?
mhh i dont think so. this would sound much different and internally there is enough headroom.
That's got to be a bug right?
the gain reduction thing?
@@PolarityMusic The not actually multiband part... (I only watched the beginning because I only had time for a glimpse at the click bait!)
Give me a break with the click bait