Shimakaze 2023 - Can It Still Carry?

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  • @Flamuu
    @Flamuu  Рік тому +28

    A bit of analysis at the end regarding some choices made.
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  • @tomsmithie3917
    @tomsmithie3917 Рік тому +389

    "My team has three kills, I have 3 kills." - The story of Flamu's gaming life.

    • @jtbrown51
      @jtbrown51 Рік тому

      That's usually my story. I have the worst luck when it comes to this game. It's maddening.

    • @lanzji1345
      @lanzji1345 Рік тому +7

      Still better than my story: "my team has 0 kills, I have 0 kills"...

    • @Malva_Studio
      @Malva_Studio Рік тому +1

      @@lanzji1345 I give you one better. "My team has 11 kills, I have 10 kills".

    • @grappo77
      @grappo77 Рік тому +1

      3 mins into game, my team has 0 kills, enemy has 4 kills :/

  • @Enemy1304
    @Enemy1304 Рік тому +224

    Its not that the flanks collapse or team mates die, the huge issue is that they die without doing anything significant leaving the enemy ships near full HP for the rest of the team to deal with.

    • @zacharyjackson1829
      @zacharyjackson1829 Рік тому

      players like the venezia have more reason than anyone else to just uninstall. How big of a moron do you have to be to die that quick in a cruiser that literally has a engine smoke? how did that GK up north let a Kremlin literally hump his balls without getting the ram? who knows....

  • @jankosi6882
    @jankosi6882 Рік тому +121

    "166k spotting damage in a carrier game"
    -what the fuck was the carrier doing???
    "your carrier was deplaned"
    -What in the fuck

    • @jaywerner8415
      @jaywerner8415 Рік тому +9

      Its possible, however unlikely to deplete a CVs air wings if he just keeps throwing the same squadron at your Flak wall 2 or 3 times in a row. If they don't throw the same squadron more then once and rotate though then they never get "deplaned".

    • @Civ33
      @Civ33 Рік тому

      @@jaywerner8415 Nah, the allied carrier was a midway. Midway and Haku have been so powercrept they're pretty much useless now a days, as is evidenced by their WR. The Midway only lost a (relatively) significant number of planes to the heavy hitting AA ships like DM, Puerto Rico, and Kremlin, but was deplaned none the less after it lost the couple dozen planes it has

    • @3men219
      @3men219 Рік тому +2

      ​@@Civ33cope, saying CVs are power crept. I can't understand the logic behind that.

    • @Civ33
      @Civ33 Рік тому +1

      @@3men219 huh? As someone who played cvs and did fairly well with them, i was just making a comment based on my experience. honestly I haven't played wows in a while and have no interest in getting back so idk what things are like now, nor do I care, but when I made that comment, I meant they were power crept by Russian CVS and the ever increasing aa stats cooked up on new ships to deal with them(which they didn't, weegee shot itself in the foot there) and other premium carriers, which they were. Haku was practically obsolete and midway was on its way there last time i played. When I played in anything other than some floating damage sponge like gk or Yama, I wasn't afraid of midway or Haku at all lol.
      The only time you need to worry about them is if they are being played by some unicum, but then you need to worry about any ship those guys are playing

    • @ivanholik2245
      @ivanholik2245 17 днів тому

      @@jaywerner8415 i got kaga and i have games where i do 5-6 runs of torps before i start to run out of them then i just focus on he bombs and rotate with torps :D

  • @AE149823
    @AE149823 Рік тому +159

    When Flamu plays Shima: CV never spots him, gets 7 kills, loses.
    When I play Shima: CV finds me hiding between 3 AA cruisers, I immediatly suffer detonation from a cross map secondary by a grounded German BB, team reports me for dying. Come back to comp later, that game was a win.

    • @Arisudev
      @Arisudev Рік тому +8

      Look at his position, you'll understand why

    • @dkdragon0
      @dkdragon0 Рік тому +2

      haha same here 😂

    • @badaboom4669
      @badaboom4669 Рік тому +10

      @@Arisudev cv let him free in a one dd game that a huge mistake

    • @bondankai13
      @bondankai13 Рік тому +2

      CV player have skill issue

    • @babayaga6376
      @babayaga6376 Рік тому +4

      You were the "virgin sacrifice" that appeased the RNG god and lead to a victory.

  • @MrSchwabentier
    @MrSchwabentier Рік тому +169

    Shima is a bit like German BBs. As a good player you'll get constantly underestimated because the average Shima enjoyer is so bad.

    • @MK-wx5vu
      @MK-wx5vu Рік тому +16

      True that. 90% of shima players are 1/10 line potatoes that dke the first time they get spotted

    • @neilious01
      @neilious01 Рік тому +14

      17900

    • @deepbludreams
      @deepbludreams Рік тому +14

      To some level good Shima games are dependent on team comp, if you have to fight against gunboat DDs your gameplay is entirely different.
      God forbid a Ragnar or Smaland is up against you

    • @MrSchwabentier
      @MrSchwabentier Рік тому +9

      @@deepbludreams well, by adjusting your playstyle to the individual circumstances, you already belong to the top 10% of players

    • @TheL0vecake
      @TheL0vecake Рік тому +3

      @@lifdrazor "Pro" hardly anyone can be even avg in this game anymore.

  • @CPcamaro
    @CPcamaro Рік тому +51

    One of the hardest carries ever... and not enough. World of Warships.

  • @fipsvonfipsenstein6704
    @fipsvonfipsenstein6704 Рік тому +17

    Me in 2017: "This Flamu guy taught me not to sail in straight lines!"
    Flamu in 2023: "Why is he turning ... this doesn´t make any sense!"
    Emotional damage ....

  • @marcgroot6990
    @marcgroot6990 Рік тому +22

    Beautiful. Always fun to see the master at work.

    • @vlad78th
      @vlad78th Рік тому

      I'd like to see him against very competent players.

  • @zwestlich6587
    @zwestlich6587 Рік тому +6

    those torp hits are so satisfied, I need to change my pants.

  • @Sneddz1
    @Sneddz1 Рік тому +15

    This is some cursed MM.

  • @ArterialCanine
    @ArterialCanine Рік тому +3

    M8 been a silent watcher for years thank you. Not sure how much you are aware but you are the best teacher, without even trying, effortless. This vid is so good from that perspective. Too often I make bad decisions in trying too hard for my team and realise it’s not just me. I love the old aspects. Sadly I quit playing WoT due greed & stupidity from WG and sadly WoWS is going down the same path.

  • @jamess2873
    @jamess2873 Рік тому +3

    shima is one of the most powerful ships in the game, always has been. Even with all the hydro, planes, radar, gunboat dds, fast dds that have been added, it can still absolutely dominate if played well.

  • @Skyree010
    @Skyree010 Рік тому +9

    Hard mode, can the Zao carry in 2023?

  • @suburbanview
    @suburbanview Рік тому +9

    Yes, I play it very often, and Shima can impact the game for a win. AS long u as a DD support to cruisers, and spot for BBs. But half of the time, the same team left Shima alone against a whole flank, after that they blame Shima for the loss LOL

  • @florianbielawa2919
    @florianbielawa2919 Рік тому +3

    Heartbreak games like that make me feel a bit better, thank you.

  • @chronographer
    @chronographer Рік тому +2

    At least the because the CV can strike from outside AA range that means he also strikes from outside your spotting range.

  • @garystew2077
    @garystew2077 Рік тому +2

    Great game for you and it gives me some encouragement to continue to grind the Shima. Like you said, it was a tough call to continue north to engage Yamato, but I think after you killed the Kremlin it would have been good to turn back towards the cap zones.

  • @sargisshirinyan207
    @sargisshirinyan207 Рік тому +12

    This is a battle I'd love to watch again but with Jingles commentary

  • @wazdalos
    @wazdalos Рік тому +4

    In all honesty the only thing you may could have done different was to only use one torp set on that Kremlin and two on the Yamato to save some time. But like you said you would have needed 3/5 torps on Kremlin and 7/10 on Yamato which also could have resorted in killing none of them if they slightly change course and making them aware of your position. Team just sucked, but well played!

  • @Taliyon
    @Taliyon Рік тому +1

    Flolol out here doing a masterclass in heartbreak.

  • @simeonbradstock4214
    @simeonbradstock4214 Рік тому +4

    so sad you couldnt get the win but what a game, but you played so well! Keep up the great work

  • @constantine9795
    @constantine9795 Рік тому +2

    Sad game bro, thats why timing is everything sometimes. You pinged them before you go north to move but they were sniping, if they pushed the left flank that you cleared from dd before or when you left to hold the right flank it would be a victory. Bourgogne no idea why he did that and also the right flank was a bunch of suiciders. Really great game for u and really sad to be a defeat. Its really extreme to here a player with 7 kills, 166k spoting dmg and 2 caps wondering if it was a good choice to go and hold a whole flank and kill 3 ships while the rest of your team has no idea where, who, what and how. So many great tips in every game u make about positioning torping predicting etc. Welldone again

  • @syedushherahmad311
    @syedushherahmad311 Рік тому +1

    Goddamn thats a heart breaker. Well played flamu, well played

  • @slimtim1969
    @slimtim1969 Рік тому +1

    I fired Torpedoes, I hit two things, but they weren't what I was aiming for so I guess I missed

  • @Alupl
    @Alupl Рік тому +1

    Going north was ok, like you said in mid there was 3x potential radars - very nice play :)
    Btw i also have such battles where as DD i did everything i could but my team just keeps dieing - it's so frustrating especially when you have to win to get last 3 daily BP missions to complete :/

  • @Twizted86
    @Twizted86 Рік тому +1

    looks fun, only up to Kagero right now, but Shima looks like a good time :)

  • @frijin490
    @frijin490 Рік тому +1

    Shows the intelligence of the player base right here.

  • @sonnenwende5508
    @sonnenwende5508 Рік тому +1

    5:00 sometimes I doubt things. Like that situation. Weird moves, absurd dodges.

    • @Emmanuelllk
      @Emmanuelllk Рік тому

      the worst or dumbest part is that the montana was in cap so by turning he was leaving the cap, that gives even more no sense to that decision

  • @carllanger8873
    @carllanger8873 Рік тому +1

    I played a game with 2 T8 CVs and 3 subs per team...fun times.

  • @tragedyofwind
    @tragedyofwind Рік тому +1

    torp captain always be like "why? what?" their target, time to gamer turn and show full broadside to enemy ship. the playerbase is the reason why torp is so much harder to predict, because professional are predictable, but amateur are not.

  • @thesaltysergeant4103
    @thesaltysergeant4103 Рік тому +1

    One of my mains is the Shima!! love it still

  • @randomyoutubecommentersecu7639

    Average 2023 match with tier 11 machine guns, radars, cv...All we need are a sub in there and a fake cv ( hybrid) and we can call this speedrun to port for the majority of the playerbase.

  • @intangible_kant
    @intangible_kant Рік тому

    Wow. That was artful, well played.

  • @KaguyasBeat
    @KaguyasBeat Рік тому +4

    It's just such an annoying feeling with this game when you did EVERYTHING in your power to win. You seriously did EVERYTHING you could possibly do. But couldn't win. Cuz too many useless players on your team. One person can make the plays but if the team can't execute on it... lose. The critical analysis at the end is valid sure, and I feel it's kinda founded off the problem of doing so much right but still losing your just left like "How??? How do we lose that??" but how much more could you possibly do? Honestly this comes down to just having a pathetic team. You did more right than wrong.

  • @gd527tt
    @gd527tt Рік тому +1

    Haven't played the game in a while, is Flamu using a UI mod? I thought the consumables got changed to all be this similar yellow icon?

  • @SmokeJam
    @SmokeJam Рік тому +1

    How many radars, Sir? MM: Yes.

  • @leonidas231
    @leonidas231 Рік тому

    im convinced there are mods that say when torps are launched at you

  • @mike06422
    @mike06422 Рік тому

    Feels like deja vu…. I feel like this was done in a Halland before as well

  • @rebelsoldier8013
    @rebelsoldier8013 Рік тому

    Flamu's spine must be demolished from trying to carry this team

  • @waffle3632
    @waffle3632 Рік тому +1

    I some teams just think they are playing world of cruise ships

  • @HanMoP
    @HanMoP Рік тому +1

    its not multipurpose thorps but I guess you don’t now what multipurpose ammo is.

  • @johnvga6239
    @johnvga6239 Рік тому

    These games feel so bad. Could you imagine if any of your BBs had a few extra good salvos, it was close enough to where that could have decided the win. Yet they couldn't do it to save their lives. An average shima would've fucked up earlier and the game would've been over 10 minutes sooner; the all too common blowout

  • @xeryues
    @xeryues Рік тому +3

    215k damage, 7 kills, 165k spotting = Loss. I swear i wont rage when i lose games when i hard carry anymore. how can the mm be this imbalanced?

    • @Alupl
      @Alupl Рік тому

      I have theory it's for purpose. What i mean: i win with ease battles while doing 3 first BP daily missions and once i'm doing 4th where i NEED to win to get count suddenly i'm getting such "great" teams where my team is loosing ships faster then i'm killing enemy :D It's really that way everyday, so is it just a random MM or on purpose? :)

  • @__MARKR__
    @__MARKR__ Рік тому +1

    That Kremlin torp 👌👌

  • @apophisstr6719
    @apophisstr6719 Рік тому +1

    15:39 Flamu is the best porno content maker on UA-cam.

  • @christophersmith9074
    @christophersmith9074 Рік тому

    that 'help' at the begining is pricless

  • @ComeonmenID10T
    @ComeonmenID10T Рік тому

    the other day i had a battle in my Halland with 29 torp hit, best so far

  • @Colstah
    @Colstah 2 місяці тому

    If that was me i would have been focused on by the CV and radar-ed at least half a dozen times. It's getting tough these days.

  • @Dropbare
    @Dropbare Рік тому

    I remember watching this live. What a depressing match.

  • @reftouswarships6731
    @reftouswarships6731 Рік тому +1

    gg man tough break

  • @bassdasdwadsasdasw
    @bassdasdwadsasdasw Рік тому

    seems like your teammates in chat were very appreciative at least

  • @hardkur
    @hardkur Рік тому +1

    CV will always go for your target to make him dodge , cuz playing cancer is not enough you need also actively make people hate these game

  • @Bellthorian
    @Bellthorian Рік тому

    An elite player can carry a game in the Krasny Krym so yes a Shima can carry with the right player behind it.

  • @eze8970
    @eze8970 Рік тому

    TY Flamu 🙏🙏, it did seem that you were the only player on your side ☹☹

  • @velshyrym3935
    @velshyrym3935 Рік тому

    Send this to jingles, he has to see it

  • @sirtogii5216
    @sirtogii5216 Рік тому

    Some game, especially considering the CV

  • @gillsfv2456
    @gillsfv2456 Рік тому +1

    that was painful loss

  • @JbZeta
    @JbZeta Рік тому +1

    This game was a masterclass, but seeing the end I need to point out I was in pain not seeing him turn into the Yamato at like 15:25, those torps had very little chance to miss, even if he got spotted it would have been too late. He had smoke, a lot of hp, and was way too far out of position.
    Of course this would likely not have been enough, and he was focused on narrating the game for the viewers, but the whole video shows how vital it can be to be at the right position at all times.

  • @Rod-Skinner
    @Rod-Skinner Рік тому +1

    Are you using 20km torps?

  • @BasJon
    @BasJon Рік тому

    It would of been Colberts hydro that saved monty maybe even though the Colbert ate torps lol.

  • @wesley_b
    @wesley_b Рік тому +1

    Shima is still my favourite dd.

  • @jamespurs
    @jamespurs Рік тому

    You have to be careful in your young age Flamu, carrying all these potatoes every game can't be good for your back!

  • @fahmimike4999
    @fahmimike4999 Рік тому +1

    this is what happen to the game when you let people with 10 account battle able to have t10 ship without having to play t3-t9 match by swiping daddy credit card! This game dying faster than before and player base skill will drop to the extend in 1 team out of 12 player only 1-2 player will have over 50%wr which is the sign this game soon gonna meet its end!

  • @SanderHydra
    @SanderHydra Рік тому +1

    you killed both enemy flanks

  • @meganb.2249
    @meganb.2249 10 місяців тому

    Why is the Olympic theme playing? Oh, I’m the only DD. Lol

  • @fluxthelycanroc9603
    @fluxthelycanroc9603 Рік тому

    Random question but since people compare the two often why is somers banned in kots? Isnt it essentially an american shima?

    • @gregoryboisgard5888
      @gregoryboisgard5888 Рік тому

      Because no one can get Somers anymore. She has been removed from the armory/research. Same reason for Thunderer, Smalland and others

  • @m.kpsddesigner7255
    @m.kpsddesigner7255 Рік тому

    in 2:00 you standing for 5 minutes still and no one detecting you,how can you know that you are undetectable still?

  • @jayvee8502
    @jayvee8502 Рік тому +1

    Nice carry but your teamates can't stop dying.

  • @dancasey9660
    @dancasey9660 Рік тому +1

    I feel your pain. Not as good as you, but I have my moments. The worst is seeing a team go down three or four ships before you get started, and there is no hope for a win. That's why win rate isn't always an indicator of skill. If a team can't win when they have a carry player like you, what's the hope for competent players that do well, but can't carry at your level? Shima is still a great ship when handled correctly like you just demonstrated!

  • @Sporting1210
    @Sporting1210 Рік тому

    looked like the typical "warpack-turn" at the start. If one pays attention, one can see, that it is still in kinda wide usage (even in..hum... well known clans), or maybe warpackers are more likely to stay in the game, while just the dumb-none-cheat-using-solo-players leave in frustration over cvs and subs and money-milking and try-hard purple troll divs, who only play for their winrate and nothing else.
    But i've seen no-hydro ships in the open (whithout any means to detect or any support close enough) doing a slalom drive through cross torps . And the dead-give away is, when a player is starting to turn the moment your torps get launched for an entire match whithout you once switching out of torp-aim-modus to not trigger the PT - even delaying the launches in case he would countdown your torp reload - and then, when asked, he explains his dodging with PT :P
    If you know how the warpack overlay looks ( there were youtube videos from time to time, but when it comes to THAT, Wargaming seems to be SUPER efficient to get these taken down, but there are still some screenshots to be found), you simply know the guys, when you stumble over one ingame.
    But since i met a WG-guy in a game, where i commented in all-chat regarding one conqu-players funny dodging, I know why this is still such an issue in the game. He (the WG-guy) wrote - and i quote - "after your comment i was watching him and i am 100% (!) certain, that he isnt using it and i work for the company so i should know".
    So without knowing when i launched the torps and while he himself was still playing, this dude could make that 100% assesment. Needless to say he was on 49% winrate with 7k battles. WG-clan-tag stands for quality and game competence. kinda explains the state of the game too i figured ^^

  • @HoshikawaHikari
    @HoshikawaHikari Рік тому

    The Kremlin knows that there's a Shima to his side, why is he beaching??
    Edit: He "knows"

  • @grassmann028
    @grassmann028 9 місяців тому

    Mad shima respect

  • @UnicornGamingRX03
    @UnicornGamingRX03 Рік тому

    Well you can get the 100% off at coop.

  • @antraxxslingshots
    @antraxxslingshots Рік тому

    one more Speedboost would have secured the win :(

  • @Kolobochok95
    @Kolobochok95 Рік тому +3

    Pretty tragic team. Literally can't carry any harder.

    • @zacharyjackson1829
      @zacharyjackson1829 Рік тому +2

      ironically these balls to the wall games are the reason i uninstalled the game. at surface value they're fun but then it starts to set in that you are just the one useful Oompa Loompa in a masochistic chocolate factory where all the other Oompa loompas are busy jumping into the squirrel hole to their deaths while Willy Wonka smiles and makes you pay 90 dollars for a chocolate bar that is suspiciously like the chocolate bar that he sold you 90 dollars last week.

  • @DrSid42
    @DrSid42 Рік тому

    Flamu lost because of one simple mistake: he only killed 7 ships. Enemy team has 12 ships.

  • @kovacstibor4339
    @kovacstibor4339 Рік тому +1

    Nice try. As a shima player i love shima very much. Although u were fckin lucky that that stupid CV didnt locate you even after the 3 kills FROM THE VERY SAME SPOT...

  • @jimr5703
    @jimr5703 Рік тому

    It's almost as if that BB was stream sniping...

  • @oiyouoverhere1112
    @oiyouoverhere1112 Рік тому

    I find a lot of dubious torpedo awareness from players in ships with no Hydro. Their excuse is always, Priority Target told me someone stopped aiming at me, so I 'KNEW' torpedos were coming... which any real player knows is utter bullshit. Priority Target doesn't tell you where they're aiming from, it doesn't say which ships torps are coming, ok in your game its highly likely to be Shima torps, but is the average player alert enough to acknowledge the Shima is on their flank, I don't think so. I mean, players able to somehow sail in a straight line for several minutes but the moment torps are in the water they suddenly get this idea, to slow down or change course significantly. Sometimes at the cost of taking massive Citadel hits, just to avoid Torpedos some app/mod tells them are coming from over there. I wish these replays were sendable to WG for them to investigate whether these players are using cheat tools for an advantage, but we all know, WG won't do anything, so whats the point

  • @andyphillips2093
    @andyphillips2093 6 місяців тому

    she carry's hard still

  • @matthiasdarrington3271
    @matthiasdarrington3271 Рік тому +1

    Typical T10 team. Seriously WG should have a "griefer" matchmaking. That Venezia and Mino should be on a separate matchmaking with bots....

  • @philipdawes2661
    @philipdawes2661 Рік тому

    Wow, superb by the shima player, shame about the rest of the team.

  • @federox86
    @federox86 Рік тому

    best fortune, no dd hunters...

  • @dennex1142
    @dennex1142 Рік тому

    and this is why I am not smart enough to play shima

  • @stevenbeasley24
    @stevenbeasley24 Рік тому

    Only 7 kills?😂
    Great carry..give that back a rest.

  • @haritassos2559
    @haritassos2559 Рік тому

    Gotta be paid actors

  • @jaywerner8415
    @jaywerner8415 Рік тому

    Lets FACE IT, the only way to win a Game of WOWS GUARONTEED these days is to Division up with friends. Random people are just too stupid to live and not do enough in return.

  • @guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248

    You can thank 7 kills on your crap team.

  • @randomyoutubecommentersecu7639

    Send this to jingles

  • @HyperpigGaming
    @HyperpigGaming Рік тому +1

    2more mins you win...What a shame.. and what a game.

  • @vincentgroudeniutes1655
    @vincentgroudeniutes1655 Рік тому +1

    you only lived, cause enemy CV player was a monkey

  • @VerrueckterKerl85
    @VerrueckterKerl85 Рік тому +1

    the playerbase of WG games is terrible and the MM is is dumb as well… the reason why i get chat banned every time i play those games.
    people dont want to hear they are stupid. 🤷‍♂️

  • @jason41a
    @jason41a Рік тому

    215k as a torp boat. 7 kills, 19 top hits with slow and terribly concealed torps. and still lost.
    welcome to misery. what a terrible MM.

  • @martj1313
    @martj1313 Рік тому

    I stopped playing after endless games like this, the game just made me angry.

  • @Devilishtroy
    @Devilishtroy Місяць тому

    Shima is in such a bad spot and WG wont acknowledge it.

  • @arthursdwgt1170
    @arthursdwgt1170 Рік тому

    na or eu ?

  • @winter_soldier_ymb8630
    @winter_soldier_ymb8630 Рік тому

    DDs are sooooo weak and torps are so easy to counter 😅😂...;)

  • @DDayJayke
    @DDayJayke Рік тому

    World of cancer in 2023? Is it worse than I remember back in 2022??

  • @cringeonmain5653
    @cringeonmain5653 Рік тому

    No 17900, immersion ruined