CV Viewer Replay - How Can You Defend This?

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  • Опубліковано 21 бер 2023
  • Today my viewers got to send in a bunch of replays on stream, so of course some troll instantly sent in their Nakhimov replay. It's funny, but also baffling to watch, because out there are actual human beings who defend this and pretend it's balanced.
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  • @Flamuu
    @Flamuu  Рік тому +306

    The fact that you can rack up over 200k spotting damage without even trying, just by farming whatever ship you feel like, really sums up this class. How on earth are there actual human beings out there that think this is balanced, were they dropped on their head as children?
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    • @volknetai.3690
      @volknetai.3690 Рік тому +14

      People is not hating CV for how strong it is. People are just hate the one-sided interaction. Same as when everyone run range mod and you can't shoot back. Same as when you know exactly where submarine is but your ASW couldn't reach

    • @jaywerner8415
      @jaywerner8415 Рік тому +2

      Actually Flamu CV has just as shit AA as any other surface ship. Only reason they kill anything is the CAP fighters. Once those run out you screwed. Best squadrons to hit CVS with are Rockets or dive bombers.

    • @EvoraGT430
      @EvoraGT430 Рік тому +4

      Then they allow these things into 7-per-side Ranked.......

    • @user-jj2tz7ex8l
      @user-jj2tz7ex8l Рік тому

      I think Defend CV is easy??Don't let the plane catch your boardside.That means the plane is trying to fly over the boardside of ship and ship should already be turning.
      Therefore, skilled aircraft carrier players will choose to attack when the enemy's movement is restrained by friendly artillery~

    • @martynjones3978
      @martynjones3978 Рік тому +9

      Now imagine a CV player like that coupled with a submarine player who is just as good!!
      And you can see now why people are switching off and loosing interest in the game!!
      I dont mind loosing or sinking if i screwed up or got beat by the better player!!
      When you get stupid unbalanced broken crap like this its just not fun no matter how much Vodka they think you can drink!!!

  • @still_guns
    @still_guns Рік тому +692

    I remember way back when the CV rework was new, WG kept touting that the rework was meant to make CV's do less damage. So of course, one of the first replays many of us saw was someone breaking the all time CV damage record, doing about 100,000k more damage than the previous RTS system.

    • @lost4356
      @lost4356 Рік тому +141

      RTS is high-risk and high-reward gameplay but WG wants idiot-proof mechanic for CV.

    • @MrTrool323
      @MrTrool323 Рік тому +62

      With RTS CV you had the ability to instantly delete somebody with 3 torp squads or 2 AP bomb squads but you had very limited resouces as if your squad was wiped...you couldn't make the same mistake again
      What Wee Gee disliked is that both CV's at the start countersniped each other and whichever killed the enemy had the battle practically secured

    • @petrpinc7695
      @petrpinc7695 Рік тому +85

      I loved RTS CVs, they weren't dull, repetitive, required some skill and yoi were a team player.
      Replay like this is just ridiculous beyond being funny for how out-of-touch from teamplay and overpowered it is.

    • @zacharyjackson1829
      @zacharyjackson1829 Рік тому +39

      @@petrpinc7695 same. I mained CVs and never touched any other class so when i finally played a different class it felt jarring, like i was playing a completely different game.
      the old CV system had its flaws but god damn it at least the class required skill. the main problem was the team with the better CV player won a vast majority off the time. the impact they can have now is still about the same but you're 100% ruining a couple people's day every match

    • @skarhabekgreyrukh8601
      @skarhabekgreyrukh8601 Рік тому

      @@lost4356 its not WG who want it... its player who asked for it.

  • @thewatcher4616
    @thewatcher4616 Рік тому +374

    This has been a master class in dodging AA. Just fly straight and do your drop. And by the time the Strike hits the next one is already halfway across the map.

    • @Thomas-lq1jw
      @Thomas-lq1jw Рік тому +19

      Nakimov in a nutshell
      Ni try the same tactics with a normal CV
      Maybe a German one

    • @amaratc
      @amaratc Рік тому +14

      @@Thomas-lq1jw perfect CV game with OP (Soviet) ship. Thing is this tactic will not work for most of CVs out there.

    • @Thomas-lq1jw
      @Thomas-lq1jw Рік тому +5

      @@amaratc exactly
      FDR might be able to come close, but even that one won’t have full squads in the end

    • @jblakemore
      @jblakemore Рік тому +1

      ​@@Thomas-lq1jwHak doesn't even need to be in AA range you can almost stealth drop the torpedos

    • @amaratc
      @amaratc Рік тому +2

      @@Thomas-lq1jw you can see he doesn't play CVs. If he tried them we would stop listening this bitching for the last 4 years or how much did it passed since rework. Just one game in CV is enough to realise that you hurt CVs by shooting it's planes down more so than shooting at it's hull. Because CV without planes is just useless. And it doesn't get infite planes.
      If you don't spec into AA then I don't know what people expect. Pure immunity from attacks? Do I get that in GK when I face some DD in smoke over 6km and I don't take fire prevention? Do I get immunity when Kremlin is shooting me in Zao? No I don't, I accept that he has higher caliber and best I can do is mitigate damage, but not completly avoid it. Same is with planes, they are top gun when it comes to caliber.

  • @jaDermulig
    @jaDermulig Рік тому +404

    This was basically a fight between the two CV-players, the rest of the ships were just mobs.

    • @zacharyjackson1829
      @zacharyjackson1829 Рік тому +15

      literally

    • @skarhabekgreyrukh8601
      @skarhabekgreyrukh8601 Рік тому +5

      laught at kearsarge

    • @EvoraGT430
      @EvoraGT430 Рік тому +21

      Every CV game is exactly this. Makes the rest of us pointless.....may as well go AFK.

    • @old_guard2431
      @old_guard2431 Рік тому +4

      Unfortunate that we don’t have a results screen. Discount Our Hero’s base XP by 50% and compare it to his Fun Police colleague’s XP, and promote the winner to Sargent of Fun Police. We will never know whether he was the better player, or just had a more capable supporting cast of victims.

    • @drmiyu6964
      @drmiyu6964 Рік тому

      @@old_guard2431 Shinod is a Unicum player (with something like 58% winrate with CV). What disturb me is that some people would stamp him as "idiot" because he is playing CV where this player is pretty good (all class included).

  • @EF2000Typhoon7LWA
    @EF2000Typhoon7LWA Рік тому +48

    I think its unfair that CVs have to worry about other CVs. Maybe remove the CV from the map so that they cant get damaged at all.

    • @cat-anchovy
      @cat-anchovy 10 місяців тому +1

      great idea, u should send it to wg =)

    • @taserrr
      @taserrr 3 місяці тому

      Yes and it takes so long for squadrons to get to their target. Why not have an invisible landing strip in the middle of the map, or on every island where you can choose to launch from.

  • @Nutty31313
    @Nutty31313 Рік тому +47

    I remember that I had a long-time standing damage record of 302k damage in Georgia, a ship I greatly love and have almost 100 battles in now, and I had to work my ass off to get that damage. My previous damage record was 298k damage in Worcester, which I got before the IFHE rework. Not that long ago, I managed to beat that 302k damage record with Nakhimov, a ship I barely play and even now still have less than 20 games on...and I smashed that damage record by 41k damage...by parking behind an island and spamming the torp and skip bombers against targets 8-12km away on the other side of the island. I mean, we still lost the battle naturally, but it felt absolutely disgusting, and compared to my previous Georgia record, I am not proud of this record at all.

  • @badluckbrian46
    @badluckbrian46 Рік тому +84

    I love how the aiming reticle makes it look like the torpedos have a really big spread when they are actually more narrow than most ship torpedo spreads.

    • @user-rg1ki1xl5n
      @user-rg1ki1xl5n Рік тому +20

      that's a long-term replay bug if i didn't remember it wrong

    • @kohwai8321
      @kohwai8321 Рік тому +25

      Yeah that's a replay bug. Didn't look like that in game

    • @danh7411
      @danh7411 Рік тому +9

      replay bug incorrectly displaying the reticle

    • @JohnDoe-oq2fx
      @JohnDoe-oq2fx Рік тому +1

      As others said, but also, when you first start a torp run with planes the spread of the torps is wide, you have to fly straight at your target for awhile for it to narrow ( unlike other ship types that have fixed torpedo spreads ). Usually that means slowing your planes down ( which also increases time within AA range. )

  • @sirtogii5216
    @sirtogii5216 Рік тому +111

    The only thing stopping the whole WOWS gaming community to strike is that most CV players are so bad at them so they don't actually get near the impact they have the potential of inflicting. If the majority of CV players were near this dudes skill the servers would be empty.

    • @magiicZed
      @magiicZed Рік тому +16

      Stuff like this makes me want to pick up legendary mod Kleber and just speed boost into the enemy spawn.

    • @DasOhneEnde
      @DasOhneEnde Рік тому +20

      Most of us old players stopped to play this game The thing is, when there are more bad players than good players, playing WoW´s is completely useless in my eyes. You can see how bad the players are, it's meaningless.

    • @Bigbacon
      @Bigbacon Рік тому +10

      Even bad CVs make the game suck because of the spot everything.

    • @sirtogii5216
      @sirtogii5216 Рік тому +5

      @@Bigbacon A lot of things make the game suck from time to time. That's different from making all other classes redundant and obsolete as seen in this match.

    • @shriekinambassador5042
      @shriekinambassador5042 Рік тому +2

      @@Bigbacon yeah they just fly and still permaspot :D

  • @thekhabtain2225
    @thekhabtain2225 Рік тому +54

    CVs DO remove camping. I camp behind islands everytime I play a cruiser or DD. But when there are CVs in the match, the CV removes me from the game in 2 strikes, and I go play a different game. Camping removed.

    • @ussliberty109
      @ussliberty109 Рік тому +6

      It's a very Soviet solution. No players, no problems.

  • @gustavchambert7072
    @gustavchambert7072 Рік тому +41

    This isn't aCV replay flamu, it's a cooking video.
    I believe the title is "How to cook potatoes 12 different ways"

  • @alcatraz-nc2814
    @alcatraz-nc2814 Рік тому +33

    Dont forget that spotting will soon (or is it now after the patch) be rewarded as if you dealt damage so if we take a game like this with 300k damage and 200k spotting, you can expect CV to be rewarded as if they did 500k more or less. CV sure gets all the benefit in the world

    • @EvoraGT430
      @EvoraGT430 Рік тому +6

      What a HUGE coincidence. Clown classes being buffed......

    • @Maikel710
      @Maikel710 Рік тому

      im sure they will find a way to get around that. All long time ago cv's where most of the time in the top 3 of every Game cause they done so much dmg. So WG ''nerfed'' them, since then cv's got less then half of the rewards from dmg etc cause so bad players werent in the top 3 anymore. If cv's will get so much points for spotting than the old problem will come back but maybe wg lost interest in listing to that problem. xD

  • @hebrewhammer4086
    @hebrewhammer4086 Рік тому +67

    Funny thing about this replay, despite how OP the carrier is and how much hes doing the team still nearly lost the match lmao.

    • @Winters004
      @Winters004 Рік тому +20

      Well, the Hakuryu on the other team was mauling the greens pretty badly, too.

    • @deaks25
      @deaks25 Рік тому +16

      But that's the point. Can you imagine being on the other team where you've worked so hard to win and the difference is just the insanely OP CV. It should have been a comfortable win for the red team, but for one player. In a game with 24 participants, one player should not be the deciding factor.

    • @hebrewhammer4086
      @hebrewhammer4086 Рік тому

      @@deaks25 I don't have to imagine it, cus I deal with it every day I play. Okay probably not every day but more often then I'd like.

    • @satagaming9144
      @satagaming9144 5 місяців тому +1

      he 100% started moving and using torp bombers cause he saw he actually needed to carry lmfao

  • @ilaril
    @ilaril Рік тому +14

    Clearly a gentleman's class. Doesn't even see his strikes, because that'd be too casual :D

  • @apertureemployee215
    @apertureemployee215 Рік тому +115

    Also note the EZ 650,000 potential damage because carriers have the kind of survivability that battleships wish they had

    • @m.z.671
      @m.z.671 Рік тому +21

      @竜崎 without evasive movements and heals? I would say, it's a lot for a ship with that high potential damage output.

    • @SkyRaider-31
      @SkyRaider-31 Рік тому +1

      ​@竜崎 that's alot

    • @apertureemployee215
      @apertureemployee215 Рік тому +2

      @竜崎 for something that should be squishy and made no attempts at angling or evasion it is

    • @Maikel710
      @Maikel710 Рік тому +6

      @@apertureemployee215 i like to compare cv's with the arty from wot. Scout finds them, arty is dead. Wows: DD finds the CV, the dd is dead. xD

    • @ainumahtar
      @ainumahtar Рік тому +1

      @竜崎 It isn't a lot if you're actively tanking, but it is a lot considering he didn't even steer his ship at any point

  • @coralski9373
    @coralski9373 Рік тому +8

    remember being the enemy thunderer in this match, watching my flank melt to planes as I desperately try covering them with my DFAA.. I think i had 12 planes total shot with 7 fighters lol

  • @zb10948
    @zb10948 Рік тому +10

    At 13:15 he has both 103k damage and 103k spotting damage.
    In 7 minutes he has made more impact than unicum BB in an entire game. While not moving at all.

    • @kohwai8321
      @kohwai8321 Рік тому

      Bro I moved my planes a lot

  • @old_guard2431
    @old_guard2431 Рік тому +39

    This was almost a perfect game for showcasing all the wonderful characteristics for Wargaming’s sacred class. Your viewer needs to send you one where the marvelous submarine auto-delete function is demonstrated. This might be hard to do at Tier X/Starship. I would expect most Tier X submarine players would have figured out how bad an idea it is to attack one of the Cathedrals of Awesomeness.

  • @pendragooon
    @pendragooon Рік тому +26

    This might be the closest Flamu gets to being tormented by a dominatrix 🤣

  • @danehutchins3845
    @danehutchins3845 Рік тому +84

    Watching Flamu suffer through this is oddly satisfying.

  • @seraphis
    @seraphis Рік тому +9

    That drop on the Thunderer for 25-26k was just.. sad times man.

  • @JafuetTheSame
    @JafuetTheSame Рік тому +3

    CV planes spotting for the team is equivalent of gun shells spotting...

  • @Galakt_Gamer_YT
    @Galakt_Gamer_YT Рік тому +18

    This Replay is the reason why i haven't played this wonderfull game since 4 months. Thanks WG

    • @Malossianoplus
      @Malossianoplus Рік тому +3

      Only 4 months? I don't play this shitafter 3 week from cv's rework.. remember my des moines full AA build do nothing to planes.. bye bye wg.. thankfully i never spent any money on this shit..

    • @Galakt_Gamer_YT
      @Galakt_Gamer_YT Рік тому

      @@Malossianoplus Wow... CV Rework is way before my time.(2020 I started playing)

    • @hades0572
      @hades0572 Рік тому

      I'm weaning myself off this game as hard as i can wean!!!

    • @ThatGuyOrby
      @ThatGuyOrby Рік тому +1

      I started playing about five-ish years ago, haven't played in almost two years because trying to enjoy the game as a battleship player is about as practical a pastime as punching yourself in the balls.

  • @speglord4470
    @speglord4470 Рік тому +18

    I really regret not playing CVs more before the rework, they were pretty fun.

    • @ainumahtar
      @ainumahtar Рік тому

      It was while the UI didn't let you down, sure.

  • @old_guard2431
    @old_guard2431 Рік тому +16

    Up to ~ Tier VII, still sort of World of Warships. Tier VIII through Starship, World of Sadists and Masochists. (The sadists now have two classes of ship to play, but sadly submarines do require hands and a brain.)
    I remember watching iChase play the original version of carriers. They were just as overpowered, but required a lot of skill to play.

    • @cluelessturlte1512
      @cluelessturlte1512 Рік тому

      this was true last year. now mid-tiers have a sub infestation problem

  • @dagucka
    @dagucka Рік тому +30

    The problem is the action playstyle, it is hard to balance because if AA would really stop you, you would never be able to attack. In the RTS playstyle you would care less about an attack not working because it would only be one squad of many you control. Also rts had active anti-cv gameplay with the fighters. Rts would have been balanceable, but action playstyle won't get nerfed much at this point.

    • @valentinpetrovitsch9406
      @valentinpetrovitsch9406 Рік тому +4

      it was also balanced in a way by having aa cruisers, and not unlimited planes, i mainly played kaga( one of the most disgustings CVS back than wa s0place 13 or so on that ship) but you still got fucked by aa cruisers, or by a cv who went with fighter squads and knew what he was doing.

    • @misarthim6538
      @misarthim6538 9 місяців тому +3

      @@valentinpetrovitsch9406 Yes, the moment when you tried to spot and accidentally flew into Mino's AA range and just saw fifth of your striking capability vanish.
      But people wanted this so now they have it. Hopefully everyone is having fun.

  • @MrTrool323
    @MrTrool323 Рік тому +23

    It's safe to say that Nakimov is hilariously busted

    • @jaywerner8415
      @jaywerner8415 Рік тому +6

      RTS CVS where not this busted. AA was better and places where limited and had to reload.

    • @EvoraGT430
      @EvoraGT430 Рік тому +1

      Russian.......

    • @phillewis1749
      @phillewis1749 Рік тому +5

      @@jaywerner8415 RTS CVs weren't busted? 🤣. I mean sure point and click deletion on old Graf Zeppelin, hilarious triple torp cross drops with full destroyer torp damage, all while spotting the entire enemy team literally across the map, was totally fine.
      RTS CVs had incredibly front loaded damage, which meant if you were good with them you could take over a match, even with permanently losing planes. People complain about spotting now, but you could spot the entire team at all corners of the map simultaneously. However, the high skill ceiling meant you saw much fewer of them, which probably gave you that view point

    • @user-ni8re3gy1s
      @user-ni8re3gy1s Рік тому

      once anti air skill had no usage number limit on all cruisers...
      and CVs facing way more stronger AA than these days
      every one admited that those days CV is kind of balance
      whereas nowadays lul

    • @gothia1715
      @gothia1715 Рік тому

      Nah. We clearly need more data... To buff it of course.

  • @mowtow90
    @mowtow90 Рік тому +28

    This is perfectly balanced. I dont see any problem here.

    • @phillewis1749
      @phillewis1749 Рік тому +1

      As funny as that statement is, WeeGee actually believes it, and tries to justify it using the mythical spreadsheet 😂

    • @jaywerner8415
      @jaywerner8415 Рік тому

      As someone that used to enjoy CVS I see plenty of issues.

    • @kerotomas1
      @kerotomas1 Рік тому

      @@phillewis1749 The problem is the only spreadsheet they are using is ship/class popularity. Not a lot of people play this broken boring crap so they are buffing it more and more while nerfing AA in general.

  • @CesarinPillinGaming
    @CesarinPillinGaming Рік тому +10

    Been losing 40% to 60% hp (more than standard cvs) to hybrid dropbombs as a Halland lately.. truly balans.

    • @EvoraGT430
      @EvoraGT430 Рік тому

      More planes = fewer players (like WOWP....).

    • @jedpratte
      @jedpratte Рік тому +2

      The hybrid drops hurt DDs very bad. Very tight drop reticle.

    • @CesarinPillinGaming
      @CesarinPillinGaming Рік тому +3

      @@jedpratte don't forget the almost guaranteed fire.
      And they do seem to have a very wide splash radios.. So you will lose easily your engine, one torpedo launcher or your steering as well.

    • @klmnts
      @klmnts Рік тому

      Plus, they essentially have unlimited reserves

  • @Zazume_
    @Zazume_ Рік тому +6

    I was literally wailing throughout the entire gameplay.

  • @taubenangriff
    @taubenangriff Рік тому +6

    Wait for the inevitable soviet super CV. The thing will kill full HP battleships in one or two strikes.

    • @aimilize3518
      @aimilize3518 Рік тому +1

      20.00 damage per rocket cyka blyat. What do you mean it isnt balans? Comrade is this not what the people want?

    • @old_guard2431
      @old_guard2431 Рік тому +4

      They can’t design it around the current actual Russian carrier. . . Oh, wait, yes they could! All they need to do is add a couple of oceangoing tugboats to tow it around the map.

    • @hades0572
      @hades0572 Рік тому

      @@old_guard2431 lol Kuznetsov

  • @Crazyhorrse
    @Crazyhorrse Рік тому +4

    I just started recently and have a few lines up to tier 6 but this video convinced me not to waste any more of my time with this game.

    • @old_guard2431
      @old_guard2431 Рік тому +1

      Valid choice. Another choice is don’t go above Tier 7. The bottom line: are you having a good time playing? It is a tough time to be coming into the game, with Tier 8 being nothing but pain. While not being a particularly good player I am a veteran of many things, including the rage-uninstall. (At least 4 times, lost count.) They used to give you reasonably decent stuff to reinstall, just had to stay out a month or two.
      The only reason I am still in after 7 years and 15,000 games is I find away to have a good time, most games. For me this is mostly playing around Tier 6 and 7, saving my few high tier ships for special events like Ranked and Airship Escort. Now that the game is declining there are a lot of experienced players in the mid-tiers.

  • @Quartization
    @Quartization Рік тому +4

    I remember having almost 350k spotting with richthofen on tears of the desert in epicenter mode full t10. Although it gave basically no rewards. Carrier spotting is both cancer to surface ships and unrewarding to CVs. Great mechanic

    • @skarhabekgreyrukh8601
      @skarhabekgreyrukh8601 Рік тому

      as battleship, CV spotting my enemies is helping me a lot.

    • @Zergling.
      @Zergling. Рік тому

      Well that is going to change, spotting is going to be rewarded now.

  • @Direwolf13PS3
    @Direwolf13PS3 Рік тому +1

    I don't know what's more cursed. That carrier, or the carrier player's username.

  • @jackkennedy9120
    @jackkennedy9120 Рік тому +3

    This video reminds me of a match I had awhile ago. I had gotten frankly tired of the carriers on my team having either: less than 25 battles OR a

    • @Chrinik
      @Chrinik Рік тому +1

      "There is a reason those two classes completely redefined naval warfare and changed history."
      I wish someone told Wargaming that.
      Both of those things are basically a hard counter to surface ships...I don't even understand how anyone thinks they could ever be balanced.

  • @festungkurland9804
    @festungkurland9804 Рік тому +6

    I found out the cv counter, I stopped playing the game. Feels great.

    • @aleksandarmaksic5040
      @aleksandarmaksic5040 Рік тому +1

      I found one better, 3 Louisiana Div and focus CV with bombers, by 10th minute, CV is dead, even sooner if we rotate our drops so that other two can use guns.

  • @theamazingmikej
    @theamazingmikej Рік тому +2

    Can't wait to read all WG's sycophants stumbling over each other to defend this

  • @kohwai8321
    @kohwai8321 Рік тому +5

    World famous Kohwai 🎉

  • @parrallex2038
    @parrallex2038 Рік тому +3

    Yesterday I just witnessed a satsuma getting tortured by eagle despite having me in des moines near him ... From 100% hp to 60 % with just 2 squadrons and the third squadrons first drop hit detonation lol.

    • @ainumahtar
      @ainumahtar Рік тому

      AA is a sad joke in the game atm.

  • @ragw33d
    @ragw33d Рік тому +3

    perfect example of how broken CV, planes and AA are, it going to pain me when i have to play CV just to finish off the last of the missions for campaigns. I remember seeing a video of a soviet CV losing 90+ planes and was still sending out full squads

  • @jussi8111
    @jussi8111 Рік тому +6

    it takes very special kind of special to say that carries were more op before cv rework

    • @skarhabekgreyrukh8601
      @skarhabekgreyrukh8601 Рік тому

      are you sure dude? i want RTS CV sooo bad, because its more OP

    • @jussi8111
      @jussi8111 Рік тому +3

      @@skarhabekgreyrukh8601 so you are special kind of special then

    • @skarhabekgreyrukh8601
      @skarhabekgreyrukh8601 Рік тому +2

      @@jussi8111 with RTS CV i could spot the entire map, kill enemy CV earlier, and burst out any opponent mistake.
      The worst thing about RTS CV is your team don't have CV and enemy team have CV.
      People just forget the biggest issue of RTS CV is skill difference of CV player. The CV rework address this issue.

    • @jaywerner8415
      @jaywerner8415 Рік тому

      The only issues with rts CVS was CV Sniping and the RAW damage/easy of use the torpedo bombers where. Maybe ap bombs too but the torp bombers could delete a ship with 1 manual drop.

    • @fokionleile7662
      @fokionleile7662 Рік тому

      ​@@skarhabekgreyrukh8601yea and makes everyone miserable

  • @oceanlnr9414
    @oceanlnr9414 Рік тому

    As soon as I saw it was a Nakhimov replay I knew this would be an experience

  • @metalman7791
    @metalman7791 Рік тому

    I feel filthy watching this. I'm laughing, but the tears are real

  • @phillewis1749
    @phillewis1749 Рік тому +13

    I was told with a straight face that when I lost 20k to Nakihmov rocket planes in an angled Kutuzov stern on; that it was either untrue or it was my fault for not "Just dodge"-ing 😂

    • @ainumahtar
      @ainumahtar Рік тому +3

      Yeah, CV enjoyers are pretty wild.

  • @Nick-rs5if
    @Nick-rs5if Рік тому

    >Carriers can't out-airfield an airfield.
    Wargaming: And I took that personally.

  • @walterhill9642
    @walterhill9642 Рік тому +3

    I think the most broken part of the class is the fact that he could make constant strikes and provide constant spotting with no wait time. The CV doesnt even have to be judicious with his strikes or use them strategically. He can pass a low ship and just target him with the next strike 40 secs later. WG turned the CV model into a swarm of killer bees that never runs out.

  • @abagofwater1076
    @abagofwater1076 Рік тому +1

    Technically if the CV clubs the entire enemy team camping has been reduced to 0, comrade.

  • @kdog3908
    @kdog3908 Рік тому +2

    A wonderful display of balans.
    Thank you for sharing.

  • @decoma6338
    @decoma6338 Рік тому +5

    now imagine people averaging below 45% and 50k in this class

    • @adventtrooper
      @adventtrooper Рік тому

      One day I might save up enough channel points to send in one of my Knackerdimov games. Averaging 57k and regularly deplaned by about 7 minutes in; even picking solo ships the wall of flak fills my screen and instantly disembowels the flight. I wonder if I'm playing a different game sometimes, as I wouldn't last two seconds in some of the crossfire AA areas this replay lingered.

    • @cluelessturlte1512
      @cluelessturlte1512 Рік тому +1

      Winrate 45% actually not surprising at all. Just a bell curve among CV players, and class differences don't matter in that fact. (Since Each team will have a CV in every match, win rate is a comparison between CV players, not CV players and other classes ). Now 50k is hilariously bad

  • @427Arbok
    @427Arbok Рік тому +1

    I remember RTS carriers, and how-despite being ludicrously OP-they took a lot of skill to play. I know I liked them, but I only really had fun at low-tier because I couldn't handle more than about three squadrons at once. Seemed like everyone kinda looked at high CV players as masters of some dark art; a rare breed of micromanager with top-notch map awareness and hands like nobody's business. They still ruined your game, usually, but there was a certain respect for a CV that could plop perfect drops on top of you. -Also DFAA and AA in general did something-
    Now, even a schmuck like me can put-out commanding victories in a CV. Not reliably, of course, but I can, and with only a basic grasp of the technique and theory behind playing the class. To put it simply, with my level of CV-knowledge and practice... if you transposed that to any other class, I'd struggle to do 50k at Tier VIII, yet I can put-out over 100k semi-regularly in a Tier VIII CV.

  • @TheFreaker86
    @TheFreaker86 Рік тому

    „Just position better or dodge with a simple maneuver“. That sums it all up

  • @vicdoesgaming7570
    @vicdoesgaming7570 Рік тому +6

    Imagine if every cv could drop like nakimov
    None of us would ever have a chance

    • @forge16hanadamaintenancedr43
      @forge16hanadamaintenancedr43 Рік тому +1

      4 torp haku every several minutes is already a super ship. 12 torp regularly? You named it wrong, that’s called mobile devstrikes

    • @annoyance.2583
      @annoyance.2583 Рік тому

      @@forge16hanadamaintenancedr43 I know there are better examples, but imagine how broken Immelmann would be, 12 70% fire chance bombs delivered by planes faster than some fighters

    • @beacon_in_the_fog
      @beacon_in_the_fog Рік тому +1

      FDR with Russian type drops?

    • @vicdoesgaming7570
      @vicdoesgaming7570 Рік тому

      @@beacon_in_the_fog exactly.....
      364 rockets 56 bombs and 56 torps.....fair right?

    • @vicdoesgaming7570
      @vicdoesgaming7570 Рік тому

      @@forge16hanadamaintenancedr43 Mobile devstrikes? Ha if fdr could drop all at once that's a
      650k rocket potential
      Bombs with their 63mm of pen 593k potential....yeah mobile dev strike here
      and torps at 225k after torp reduction if all connect, yeah one dev strike coming up

  • @Unknown.NotRegistered
    @Unknown.NotRegistered Рік тому +5

    Imagine if WG let AA work.
    So many complaints wouldn't be there anymore.

  • @generalkenobi9782
    @generalkenobi9782 Рік тому +1

    Guuuuud. Join them flamu. UNLEASH DARK FLAMU. POUR ALL YOUR HATE AND MALICE INTO THIS CLASS. ONE CLASS TO RULE THEM ALL.

  • @jagh1410
    @jagh1410 Рік тому +1

    Putting ebola aside, nice nickname.

  • @Aelxi
    @Aelxi Рік тому

    0:00 the background art looks so good

  • @Nautsyn
    @Nautsyn Рік тому +1

    "The only winning move is not to play"

  • @sofielee4122
    @sofielee4122 Рік тому +2

    they should add wind, and make it a requirement that the carrier have a certain relative wind speed across her deck to launch planes. it wouldn't balance the class but it would at least make them move, since you'd have to be moving in a certain direction at a certain speed to launch planes. ya know, like how real carriers work, you cant just launch planes cause you decided to, there are certain conditions that have to be met, one of which is "are my planes gonna have enough airspeed to produce lift by the time they run out of deck?"

  • @teama4352
    @teama4352 Рік тому +2

    my friend that is a main on cruisers just sat on Nakhimov and made ez 160k dmg just flying and making enemies use their repairs, our clan was sitting and watching that craziness of the most Balans CV

  • @-DSet
    @-DSet 9 місяців тому

    My favorite thing about tier 10 CVs is that they're immune to armor piercing shells that weigh more than my car.

  • @MrTs7520
    @MrTs7520 Рік тому +5

    I was in a Colorado yesterday. The game had 4 cvs and 4 subs. Lets just say the 2 enemy cvs felt that they wanted to totally ruin the game for me and they did with resounding success.

    • @meganoobbg3387
      @meganoobbg3387 Рік тому +5

      We people who play US battleships dont feel ripped off at all! lol 21 knot ships, with 0% armor vs multipurpouse CV's from Tier 3 to Tier 7 = fun and engaging gameplay :D (not to mention need to grind 300k exp with the Colorado now lmao)

    • @benmo2227
      @benmo2227 Рік тому +1

      Yeah agree, i play only Richthofen and full squads are only possible in the first 5 -10minutes after that its a shit show

    • @old_guard2431
      @old_guard2431 Рік тому +1

      It just requires a Simple Maneuver. In this case, build for range and maneuver to park next to one of your carriers. You will be well-protected from the submarines and somewhat protected from your opponents’ planes.
      Not your concept of a good time? No easy answers for that one.

    • @aristosachaion_
      @aristosachaion_ Рік тому +4

      ​@@meganoobbg3387
      Playing the US ships in general makes me feel ripped off. These were some of, if not the best AA ships of their period, even the big boy BBs, yet in this game they can't do shit to a carrier.

    • @MrTs7520
      @MrTs7520 Рік тому

      @@meganoobbg3387 yes my only positive is i seem to win a lot with the ship.

  • @tpaktop2_1na
    @tpaktop2_1na Рік тому +1

    It's great seeing the four teams going at each other in the match. The two CV teams and the two surface ship teams. I like the way WG promotes teamwork in WoWS with CVs. 🤨

  • @dany1441
    @dany1441 Рік тому +8

    In spite of having been the victim of a Malta rape in Yamato a few days ago, I am still shocked.
    What never ceases to amaze me is that CV players don't actually play WoWs. They have a game that is entirely their own. It just happens to consist of persecuting actual players while in god mode. They're always the last to die, and only if their team loses. All the things that other players - even subs to a small degree - have to worry about in game, they can disregard or ignore. It's just mechanically doing the same thing over and over. It can appeal only to retards. They never experience the satisfaction that is earned by good gameplay, like positioning, aiming, ambushing, ammo selection, smart use of consumables, cooperation. It's all just irrelevant to them. These are the people who will use cheat- and god mode in any game the moment the codes become available. It's all about mindless shooting while not having to worry about your own character/ship.

    • @EvoraGT430
      @EvoraGT430 Рік тому

      Good post. They should F off to WOWP.

    • @DixxyV
      @DixxyV Рік тому +1

      Yep. It's a 1v1 or 2v2 mode for CV players, while all other ships are just like creeps in MOBA games waiting to be farmed be them.

  • @deaks25
    @deaks25 Рік тому

    F**king hell! Thanks Flamu, I utterly hate this.

  • @snavsmatiq
    @snavsmatiq Рік тому

    "holy shit this supership is brok- **realizes it a t10** ITS NOT EVEN A SUPERSHIP????"

  • @godlynewbie
    @godlynewbie Рік тому

    love your pc background flamu

  • @user-si5ik5xf3m
    @user-si5ik5xf3m 5 місяців тому

    The damage that dude made in the battle can also be done by all the other classes. Did you know? Somewhat equal damage here. And, don't forget that both teams will have carriers. If your team is diminishing because your team's performance is overall worse. Then the carrier at the end is going to be overwhelmed by the amount of leftovers. In usual battle with carriers I try to push only when I know that CV's not targeting this way. And when I am sure that when they do, it's worth it. And don't forget. If you keep dodging from planes, though it ruins your play, it will profit them less unless you overlooked opportunity for them to cross-fire on you. They will get less damage from you, thus be distracted for profit it gives. But german bombers don't care about dodging. When trying to punish the CV as much as possible for the attack, it is beneficial only when your CV outperforms theirs.

  • @misarthim6538
    @misarthim6538 Рік тому +1

    I still remember some discussions on Reddit before the CV rework where people were like, RTS CVs are so broken literally nothing can be worse. And I always thought well, be careful what you wish for, you may get it. So this fill me with joy. People wanted to ruin CVs but forgot that in Soviet Russia, CVs ruin you.

    • @dukeofhazard420
      @dukeofhazard420 9 місяців тому

      At least rts carrier needed a lot of practice to make it good with how much there could be to manage

  • @damaddog8065
    @damaddog8065 Рік тому

    Carriers work just Ike real life, owning everything but those nasty submarines.

  • @Arclite02
    @Arclite02 Рік тому +1

    To be fair, CV's absolutely DO reduce camping...
    After all, it's not camping if you're DEAD!

  • @TheFuzzypuddle
    @TheFuzzypuddle Рік тому +1

    Plus, the Nakimov is insane because the cycle time with rocket assisted takeoff and single run strikes. If it is able to push up closer to the battle, it strikes like a battleship reload time. Completely insane.

    • @kohwai8321
      @kohwai8321 Рік тому

      Faster bro. You can nuke a BB 100-0% in a couple of min.

  • @alexandreky6441
    @alexandreky6441 Рік тому

    I think that Wow is a game of positioning since with a good one you can find covers and be tanky, find flanks and deal huge damage, ...
    But with the CV :
    1) whathever you do your position is compromised if the CV decides to target you : he can create corssfire out of nowhere and punish people hiding still behind islands
    2) you don't have to think about positioning as a CV as you could see that he didn't even move before 8 min in the game. And he can go wherever he wants with his planes : AA ships or not, gathering of ships or not, his squadrons were still full at the end
    3) this is the only class that doesn't lose HP and fighting power as long as you do not troll while dealing insane dmg to the enemy team. We should also take note that along losing HP, the other ships also lose their AA (against HE or rockets) which is already useless but this makes them even more vulnerable
    4) they have the best scouting ability without risking anything unlike destroyers
    5) Insane damage without requiring an skills : 300k while scouting and forcing ships to get into vulnerbae positions or showing their flanks to your team
    6) Best long range armor : as long as you're angle and at long range, BB's AP and cruisers' HE/AP can't pen you
    CCL : insane damage, spotting without risking anything nor requiring any skills while preventing all the other classes to even play the game
    A player venting his frustration against CV

  • @lucifenxarthos625
    @lucifenxarthos625 Рік тому +1

    He got the kill on the last second. Literally 0:01 ticking down and he got the kill

  • @yeyuan7344
    @yeyuan7344 Рік тому

    Just being curious, I would like to get this wallpaper flamu has, the question is where would I be able to get it?

  • @antoniosanastasopoulos176
    @antoniosanastasopoulos176 Рік тому +2

    After watching this, I can’t blame my team for getting killed quickly at the start and the match ends in a loss before it even starts. I’ve been going back to port whenever I see a CV and sub match, just not worth wasting 10 minutes of my life to do 20k damage, be permanently spotted, and lose….and what’s worse, all the bonuses and signals that get wasted. Thank you WG

    • @hades0572
      @hades0572 Рік тому

      I had over 50 coop games because I did this on repeat LOL

  • @matthew713
    @matthew713 Рік тому +1

    I uninstalled and sold my account 2 years ago because of cvs, but even watching this now I still feel an overwhelming amount of rage. I don't know how you still do it...

  • @rosalina2938
    @rosalina2938 Рік тому +2

    I finally did it. I de-installed the game for good. I hate WG for creating this class, and the a-hole players abusing it.

  • @farhanaaktermuna3513
    @farhanaaktermuna3513 Рік тому +2

    Source of the wallpaper?

  • @fakulm1436
    @fakulm1436 Рік тому

    Man was T posing the whole game 🗿

  • @NicktheMedic
    @NicktheMedic Рік тому

    That looked like a lot of fun for all the other ships lol

  • @jamesmckenzie9551
    @jamesmckenzie9551 Рік тому +1

    My last game was just a couple of months after the CV rework. Watching my Vanguard fire 4 flak puffs with 4 turrets which each spat out 44 rounds per minute of 5.25” flak reduced to 1/16th of the firepower so I could easily be farmed was when I said “I’m done”. I let realism slide a little bit, so often, but by that point, I was done. This game isn’t arcade, it’s a level beyond arcade, that tries to hide its decisions behind “realism” when it suits them, and when called out say “it’s just a game, needs to be balanced for fun,”

  • @tommihommi1
    @tommihommi1 Рік тому +2

    (high tier) CVs have always turned a game of 24 players into a game of 2 players and 22 victims. Total anti-design.

  • @recordkeepingandinformatio8206

    no one’s gonna talk about his name being ShindoL?

  • @Snagabott
    @Snagabott Рік тому +1

    How do you avoid that?
    It's not actually that hard. No, really! I've been doing it since about September!

  • @ThroneOfBhaal
    @ThroneOfBhaal Рік тому +1

    So what were the rest of the ships for? The CVs are all that matter.

  • @Arashmickey
    @Arashmickey Рік тому

    3 minutes into the game and camping by DDs successfully reduced to 0%. The math checks out.

  • @winter_soldier_ymb8630
    @winter_soldier_ymb8630 Рік тому +1

    CV Gameplay

  • @katanji5297
    @katanji5297 25 днів тому

    2019 - "The year of the cv"

  • @HMSVanguard46
    @HMSVanguard46 Рік тому

    That background is saucy

  • @auditoriooo8078
    @auditoriooo8078 Рік тому +3

    Cv players crying for buffs when i put them to work in a namibian cobalt mine

  • @ThroneOfBhaal
    @ThroneOfBhaal Рік тому +2

    Nice wallpaper... ;)

  • @aleksanderkawinski7366
    @aleksanderkawinski7366 Рік тому

    It's stronger than the existing admiral Kuznietzow.

  • @Derguz
    @Derguz Рік тому +2

    2:40 into the match and the CV, which hasn't moved an inch btw, has destroyed a DD (AA joke), and made about 25k spotting dmg...

    • @Derguz
      @Derguz Рік тому

      I really don't understand why any1 keeps playing this game.. I haven't played for about a year, perhaps more but forcing myself to sit here and watch this basically made me go out and get a bucket of ice cream and feel bad.. What a shit show..

    • @kohwai8321
      @kohwai8321 Рік тому +1

      Why move if there's no threat

  • @habooya
    @habooya Рік тому

    Super fair super balanced

  • @vh8542
    @vh8542 Рік тому

    What people don't realize is that carriers are a class of progression. If CV's were "balanced" how would the game proceed with 80% less spotting and all that spotting damage? And that's 300k damage that wouldn't have been dealt. How would it feel just fighting for all 3 caps for 20 minutes because hardly any ship dies? If AA was meaningful how could we expect CV's to do anything, there by effectively stalling the gameplay. Now that sounds like a npe to me. Now thanks to CV's and even subs, we can play a game and either die fast so we can que up for another game, or go through A cap and make sure that happens to them.
    So thank you WG. Without CV balance I would probably have half the amount of games I do. Getting all that extra value and gameplay out of my ships is why I keep coming back. And by keep coming back I mean I quit the game for months and months, play for a few days or a week, and quit again.

  • @redhongkong
    @redhongkong 11 місяців тому

    i mentioned on forum that we need faster interceptor on that 2 points cruiser captain skill that only boost "spotter airplane". that 2 points skil should boost fighter aircraft as well.

  • @thelastholdout
    @thelastholdout Рік тому

    The wildest thing about this replay is that the player barely needs to bother to set up strikes properly. He doesn't need to maneuver around for optimal attack angles, dodge AA or anything like that. Just flies straight in, drops, spawns the next squadron, rinse and repeat.

  • @FirebladeX1989
    @FirebladeX1989 4 місяці тому

    you got a pretty cool desktop background

  • @dimo1457
    @dimo1457 Рік тому +3

    I think I know this artist, Kohwai ShindoL

    • @misot90
      @misot90 Рік тому +2

      He's giving Flamu the full "Metamorphosis Experience™" lmao

  • @RedShocktrooperRST
    @RedShocktrooperRST Рік тому

    Man, I could play my Arkansas Beta and be just as effective against aircraft as these ships.

  • @Sober_Alcoholic
    @Sober_Alcoholic Рік тому +1

    i think the problem is more the abysmal state of AA than the actual CV as a class.
    Also Nakhimov is stupidly busted compared to other CV's imo.