Does Drive Speed REALLY matter
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2021
- Does Drive Speed REALLY matter
So you want to know whether super fast SSD m.2 NVMe drives are worth it for the price to performance? We will take a look at Gen 4 NVMe to Gen 4 NVMe and Gen 3 NVMe to SSD and SSD to machinal hard drive. Are these drives worth the money and what's the benefit of the super fast drives.
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I completely agree with you. My main rig has a 2GB NVMe gen 4 m.2 boot drive with 5018 Mbps read and 4355 Mbps write, I can see a big difference in day-to-day use. I also have 64GB or 3600 cl 16 ram. My system feels snappy and runs smooth.
This helps, a lot, Brian. Thank you!
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Thanks Brian. I have 1 question you may or may not know, if I put a gen 3 in a gen 4 slot will that affect the speed? Will it degrade performance?
I ask because my motherboard has both currently I have the gen3 in gen4 slot. I heard it was better to have it closer to the CPU.
I listen to you Brian and never look at the comments, please keep up the good work.
Unfortunately, sometimes to prove to the trolls THEY don't know what they are talking about, one has to make these videos. But Brian, your videos are well made and most informative and I trust your advice and content. Keep up the good work because we supporters appreciate you very much 👍🏽!
Thanks for the support.
Hej you are absolutely right there are always people who babble a lot of rubbish. Brian knows what he's talking about but some people get jealous of knowledge. I have the attitude that there are always new things to learn and I have always listened to, people who know more than I do and, have great experience that is how you learn things. I also come across people both younger and older who think they know everything. I can not understand how some people can be so,narrow-minded but it is their loss they never learn how things work. I also understand Brian that he gets annoyed at people who think they know everything in my eyes, they are ridiculously stupid people without brains. I just wanted to get this said and I think people should be grateful that we have a nice humble guy like Brian. Take care and have a nice weekend.
You got a point, but its super important to know that this only works on new systems gen 4.
Some older motherboards are a mix with gen 3 and gen 4 m.2 ports.
For producktive people its important, time is money.
For gamers.... Who cares. Sata ssd will do.
I never will dream of attakking you. You are doing a fine job.
Exactly, buy what you need.
Hi Britec09,
Many thanks for your work! Your channel is a gold mine. I am an old UA-cam user but it is the first time that I feel the need to write a comment.
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Thanks for the video Brian ! For a novice like me it's so easy to be mislead with so many videos on UA-cam, so always come to your channel as I know it's a good source 👍
I find your videos very informative and helpful! Keep up the good work.
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Thanks for the kind words
Greatly appreciate these videos you produce, they are definitely a help to many!
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Glad to help
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Thanks for the kind words and support Mark.
I love your videos, very informative...keep up the great work please, Thank you
Thank you! Will do!
Thank you Brian, you give relevant and reliable information
on a very high level.
Keep up the great work.
What the haters or trolls are saying is not at all interesting for me
Thanks, will do!
To be honest, I just want to know which disk drives are the best? Do the older Solid State Drives last longer than the NVMe drives or should I just settle for the old hat HDD?
You can recognize that by TBW, its basically a measure of how much terrabytes can be written on that drive
Hej Brian thanks for the video you are absolutely right here regarding different types of SSD disks. And the technology never stands still when, it comes to such disks and computer motherboards. Take care Brian and have a lovely saturday.
Well said!
The advantages of the new drives are primarily with sequential reads and writes, with large files, correct? Not Random or with small files? My main use case is gaming and while I am looking at Gen 4 M.2, I don't know that I will see value for the money if I pay another $100 or so to go from 5K to 7K speed.
Britec09 - bringing tech tips with no BS since 2009. Thanks for this info!
Great video and content! Don't let them bring you down to their level and great job calling them out!
I appreciate that!
Brian your my go to channel, love you loads!
I am new to NVME4 M2 drives. It is the fastest drive I have ever owned. Good job Brian!
Nice 👍
@@Britec09 I am certain that there are many many more of us that appreciate your videos and value the insight you have than the ones who post negative comments.
Question: If I build new PC, can I use my old SSD's and my old HDD? Will i feel a difference in the speed of the machine because of the old hard drives? Thank you!
Yes transferring very large files (10 GB +) all the time, these drive really helps, but running Windows and Loading games, you won't see 1 or 2 second different. Best spend your money for more RAM and CPU power. Just my two cents.
I agree, it comes down to budget and needs.
mjeh but sjit has to get INN to yer RAM.. somehow :p
I'm not a troll and I do know lots about storage and computers. There are a lot of cases where you are wrong. As you tested ,you need a minimum of 2 drives that have the same gen 4 speeds. If you have just one new gen 4 drive even with a NAS with a 10g network the cap is 1.25gb/s. If you have a second drive that's either sata or nvme gen 3 the speed of a gen 4 drive becomes irrelevant. Most users that have a gen 3 drive should either replace it and buy 2 gen 4 drives or just buy one gen 3 drive. It's a good video explaining differences in storage speeds, but you have to explain that those speeds only apply if the user bought 2 of the exact same nvme generations.
I would like to ask you if you believe that ramdisk programs worth it to use in 2021 for photo editing programs in 2021. Thanks
I
eed to get my gen 4 built. Good video.
Great One Brian, Will Show This To My Two Engineer Clients As Prove Positive!
Fantastic!
Thank you Brian! Love your vids.
Thanks for watching!
I’ve not seen these trolling comments so don’t know what they said. Obviously the read/write speeds are going to be considerably faster on an NVMe rather than SSD or HDD but how much difference will this make to the regular user? Read write speeds are only part of the process so instead of using Crystaldiskmark or whatever, it would be more interesting to see comparisons based on Cinebench or Geekbench to make the tests?
Thanks to Brian.
To educate people...this is the point. You ré right. Lot of people talk about subject they think they know....but they know nothing at all and they should just say nothing.
Thanks again Brian.
Never thought I'd see this guy become Carey Holzman type of guy
I enjoy your content very much !!
Glad you enjoy it!
I've now slowly built my drives up to have 2 gen 3 NVMe's and of course the trusty slow Mechanical Drive purely for file storage that I don't need access to that often.
Even I have noticed a difference in using Gen 3 over the 2.5mm SSD's so I can only imagine how much quicker the Gen 4 ones would be even with seeing the numbers. 1 day when pricing is better im sure I will have a few Gen 4's
Gen 3 are still worth buying
I clone each of my computers to separate SSD drives using Macrium Reflect (free). If I have problems booting a computer, I boot from the SSD via USB. The ASUS Rizen 3 laptop I use for work has a USB-C port, which means when I boot up, the speed is fast both booting and using the computer. This allows me to carry on working until I can correct the problem or visit an IT expert who can fix the problem. Tremendous reduction in stress when I am working to a deadline. BTW with this approach, the fie I saved on my laptop 10 minutes before the problem occurred is still accessible.
Very good learn video. I benefit alot from it.
What are the speeds between nvme to nvme while transfering work flow..?
How wood you know if don't test to limit
I just swapped out a WD Black 770 NVME for a Samsung 990 Pro NVME. 20% performance increase. Boot time halved. System seems much snappier.
Once again... You are Undefeated! Keep up the great work!
Thank you! Will do!
I wish if there was a way to make copying many small files like images from one location to another faster without compressing them.
Good work best info up date news
Very true. The numbers don't lie, however, I don't recall if you pointed out that not all motherboards, can take advantage of the Gen 4 speeds.
Different motherboards have different specs.
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Thanks for the kind words and support.
Thank you, Brian for your videos! You taught me something today. PC technology today is much advanced today than when I was tinkering and working on PC'S, MS DOS and AOL.👍❤ I also Noticed the sad effects trolling / haters has on some of the other UA-camrs that I follow, some have had to appoint moderators.
Yeah, things are getting out of hand.
I got the Sabrent rocket the speed is out of this world, but you do need a heatsink,
Yeah, I got one of them.
Nice video :)
Its clear that these NVMe drives are faster than ssd or mechanical(although there are still far too many dodgy ones that don't meet there claims), its crazy how some folks will argue otherwise still. There are certainly clear arguments where it is a waste of money to use an NVMe drives, for example to store your Games on, even your basic Sata SSD won't benefit you much over a mechanical Drive for games, apart from startup or loading into levels a little faster.
I have noticed a few games where running off a SSD can improve texture pop in but again 95% of the time its negligible and i seriously seriously doubt having a setup where your running your games off a NVMe instead of a Sata SSD is gone see ANY real world noticeable improvements.
I just don't think game devs are utilising this Tech yet to warrant it for gaming off of. My 2 Cents anyway :)
Thanks for sharing
Old comment, but yeah I've never noticed a difference between gaming or every day stuff on my PC with my SATA SSDs or my NVME ones, for gaming I think a couple of newer games like Cyberpunk may benefit from a SATA SSD over a HDD, but an NVME won't do anything better, you also look at the usage on the drive while running games or loading and usually they don't go beyond the 100MB/s mark
There should be enough content out there so you don't have to do videos like this. Keep up the great work. Unfortunately, the ones chirping the loudest are the ones who are bitter about not being able to afford the upgrade.
We've all been there.
I understand your frustration. These trolls must haunt you I'm sure. I like it when you're pissed!
Even with your evidence they'll persist. Ignorance is a terrible thing and difficult to deal with. Simply, many M.2 slots are NOT nvme , but using an SSD the drive is still a SATA drive. The NVME bus is a whole different path to the bus. Regards - I'm glad you got it off your chest! You are one of the most gentle and patient man on Utube.
Thanks for this comment, made my day.
Ignore them britec your just an honest knowledgeable guy who wants to help people who struggle to understand computer technology I always come to you for advice and 100% you have always helped me with any problems keep up the great work mate 👍
Great video !!!
Thanks!
Excellent presentation! Like you, I hate dealing with stupid.
There is a big difference, I have a mix of m2 and SATA SSD's in my system, games like Forza load without having the load screen freeze using a M2, the same game on SSD will freeze during loading, menus don't respond for seconds while the menu will respond right after loading on the M2.
Yes, there is a massive difference
I' am Computer Technician and concur with Britec findings. There are vast differences in speeds when it comes to HDD's, SSD's, and the M.2 NVMe drives, "the data transfer speeds are significant and well demonstrated". I have personally run my own tests on my personal computer's and came up with the same conclusion.
Yeah, they are super fast.
You seem to be referring to 2.5" SATA drives when you state the term 'SSD', but in fact all these are SSDs, regardless of form factor.
My opinion on it.
A high speed m.2 is pointless for most people. Even a gen 3 m.2 is overkill for the average person. A sata ssd is enough for nearly all basic computer use. Since practically speaking, you don't copy massive files back and forth often in normal day to do life. I use my computer a ton for all kinds of things. I have a 970 Evo and it's plenty for my needs. Because even though I use my computer all the time for work and play. It just dosnt require super high trasfer speeds. And I know not one person in my life who uses their computer as hard as I do. So they would need it even less.
Look, I'm not saying the high speed drives are not good. Or wouldn't make a difference. But what I am saying, is that it's not the best advice to tell everyone to get an expensive 980pro drive if all they do is play rocket league and surf facebook. Is the 1 or 2 seconds faster windows boot time really worth the extra money? I don't think so.
Well said
And even if you copy files, it takes a few seconds longer; normal people simply do something else while the pc is copying files, not stay there with a stopwatch. That said, while a Sata is good enough, i can see the benefit of a gen 3 m.2 ssd; not only it is smaller than an sata, you also don't need cables and an external power source. And an Gen 3 is actually a jump from sata, from 550 mbit to up to 3500 mbit it's a jump of 7 times, between this and a 7000 mbit one it's only a double increase; and it's not worth the extra cost. For gaming the faster ssd does not matter too; you never need to stream assets as fast from the ssd as a gen3 can't do (heck, an sata is mostly enough).
That said, there are reasons for it; there are some specific professional workloads where the fastest drive might be interesting; but then you probably will use an OPTANE drive for it with an fast SSD as storage (but there you probably have an external storage anyway and don't want to save stuff on your pc at all)
So no, sorry, but i don't see any benefit in an extreme expensive and fast consumer SSD at all. You see at the PS5 where they always say: the ssd is so fast, but the major point is it that it's not an HDD anymore, not the speed of the SSD.
I put the OS on my NVMe gen 3 drive and no doubt that's the best upgrade for a faster PC.. still.. its not like my old SSD was slow... (i still remember Turbotape and the amiga track loader though :p)
lol
Hi Brian, please don’t let the negative people get you down. Just ignore or block these time wasters out of your life. I don’t comment very often on any platform but when I do it is to say something positive. If I don’t like something I don’t watch it, and never 👎 anyone, what’s the point.
Thanks Ray
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Yes
@@Britec09 i do not like Microsoft Defender
Tim released a new video , I'm his biggest fan ! SSD drives are a huge difference from using hard drives
Yeah, he is a good guy.
I just wanted to let everyone know that I’ve been using an old hard drive(upgrading in summer) and I haven’t downloaded a r/w speed tester because I fear I will take 20 minutes to download💀
I would love to see program loading benchmarks comparing this. I mostly just care about game loading/level loading to see what kind of difference it makes.
I just got everything running regular SSD now I have catch up with this thing ... I have one device that uses these and it's a buggar to open
SSD is still fine for most tasks.
Plss help me how to use or setup nvme
Showing facts is the best thing to do to shut people up.. Agreement doesn't matter.. Facts are facts
Some can’t be told anything because they don’t wish to learn. Thing is you can’t help but learn if you listen and watch for yourself. The evidence can be repeated consistently over and over. There is no argument when you change out a drive to a newer drive if your motherboard supports it. There are other limitations, but you should be able to figure that out or ask if you don’t know. It isn’t hard, people make things hard. Stay safe my mates!😊👍🏻😷
you are talking about transferring files, what about game and application performance ? majority of normal pc users rarely transfer files
Because he has no other arguments. Even with 4k gaming it does not matter as long as it is an SSD. Even SATA is enough, an Gen 3 even more. Gen4+ right now is idiotic bullshit that people are falling for because they can copy files faster. Maybe once we get to 16k gaming a Gen 4 will be necessary, but 4k gaming is already a stretch.
large file transfers is only part of the whole picture and only nvme to nvme, its the those multiple small files that there is not much of an increase in performance compared to HDD to SSD. The only drives I have seen that give a decent boost to those smaller multiple file transfers are the optane drives, which is why I have a 1TB one specifically for that purpose.
Yes NVMe is faster than SSD, but in specific things, in many things most people would not notice the difference when a few seconds faster is all you are talking about compared to an SSD in anything but large file transfers.
Running a computer on a day to day basis like browsing the internet, watching movies, emails and stuff like that, then yes, common sense will tell you, don't buy a gen 4 NVMe unless you have money to burn. This is why we have levels of hardware ie i3 i5 i7 i9 to meet peoples requirements. But this was not the argument.
Thank you. It's very good. I have an ssd and it seems quick enough for me. 😊
Good video
Thanks
I've always used the Samsung & Crucial SSD's as for the NMve drives I've only used the Samsung 970 Evo one's
Samsung & Crucial are very good
I am now "The Wiser". THANK YOU BRIAN 😊 🖖
You have my moral support.
Thanks
Haters will hate..... But some people are just down right stupid. Great rant vid!!
I am a certified YT expert, Brian is 100% correct and he shows the proof!
Thanks for clearing this up Brian!
Glad to help!
These people have empty life`s Brian, sorry you have to put up with them, You have great content and long may it remain, I enjoy all your video`s.
Thank you kindly
really some ppl think an ssd is as fast as m.2 lmfao GR8 video by the way
Cheers Chris
Yes dose matters
No worries Brian looks like you have 8 people who created new troll accounts. Keep up the great work 👍
Thank you, I will
I see its up to 12 now lol.
You certainly notice how slow an SSD equipped PC is when you are used to a machine with NVMe drives in. Painful.
Technology moves forward
Indeed i think it should be pretty obvious to most people who are reasonable computer savvy , that there is going to be a big difference between Hard Disk drives and solid state drives, as has been clearly demonstrated in this video. you can see this for yourself when you need to transfer your own stuff. SSD will also make a pc/laptop much faster. no argument. the world is full of clowns, Just ignore them. love the videos, very informative. thank you for your time. It's allways appreciated.
Thanks Bill
Some just don't get it . Great job !
Cheers James
I love your video, very educational.
Glad you enjoyed it!
8gb in 1 second flat
I really like this video.
Thanks
I bought gen 3 the only thing is they tricked me I didn’t know what qlc meant it’s slower :/
Funny why Sony will only allow you to use these SSD in their PS5. Must be the fact that they are quicker, alot quicker
Fcuk the trolls! They are plebs. Jeez they were fast! I put an SSD in my Toshiba laptop about 4yrs ago I'm still happy with it. I do use 4 external drives I think when they start to fail I'll be replacing them with this type of drive.
Thanks for the speed test, very interesting 👍🏼
Quicker computer better performance
Drive speed matters to a point, I personally have never come across a scenario where a Gen4 NVME has be beneficial over a SATA SSD aside from copying files, but even then, there's a bottleneck somewhere else usually. I'd still use a Gen4 Drive as a boot drive anyway in case things change down the line. For gaming I wouldn't bother with NVME, you can get twice the capacity on a SATA for the same price, and in some cases for whatever reason, SATA can load games slightly quicker, it's not worth the fuss, but it's something to mention. CPU speed also matters for load times as well, and boot times, but I've also noticed my sister's PC with an i5 4590 and a 256gb SATA booted up just as quick as my Gen4 Aorus 2TB with a 5900X and i've even reinstalled Windows on both PCs again and they're still around the 10-15 second mark. NVME is too fast right now to be necessary, maybe for content creation it'd be useful, but not for gaming or everyday use.
TROLLS are so brave when they can hide behind a keyboard.
I've never trolled or said anything bad, I don't like to speak/comment, unless I got something positive to say, that I deem helpful for others' Inc. the creator!
I'll join your members group one day Brian! I have so much going out to patreon etc.. I see Yourself and a viewer 'Bo Brauner' are both 100% are spot on! 👍🏻
Thanks for the support
I feel the need for speed ✋
Yes sir
Good job Brian , take care , trolls are everywhere
Yeah I know.
My "broadband" "speed" is 16/0.8 soooooo, should i bother... ;-)
Congrats Brian, seeing is believing.
Mate.
Keep the trolls out !!
Thank you, I will
Nice
Thanks
@@Britec09 Thanks for qualified content btw
Unfortunately trolls are everywhere......best thing is to block and let them rot. They can't be happy people if they feeel the need to tear someone else down.
I give people plenty of chance, but some are relentless
4.0 PCIE NVME boots my PC faster than 3.0 PCIE NVME.
Brian, you should never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience
LOL I like that.
Thank you for your time and demonstration for that which should be common knowledge to armchair techcs.
You are right, it pretty simple to understand.