I've tried to simplify things for myself. All but one of my rods is a braid->copoly setup. For whatever reason, my knots SUCK with straight fluorocarbon line so I avoid it.
Last year I tried braid for the first time. Power Pro braid 20 pound test. Works very well on my casting, spinning combos. This year I tried Venom's Silk Braid 20 pound, this by far is the BEST line I've ever used...casts a freakin' mile with ease and very strong like Power Pro. Fishing little ponds, small rivers I use 10 pound Triline mono. I recently bought YO-ZURI Hybrid 10 pound test. Can this hybrid be used on a spinning reel?
Copoly is more abrasion resistant than flouro (proven) and it also sinks but more slowly. They tell you flouro is more abrasion resistant so you’ll spend more money for it.
Tough as nails monofilament works great in every type of reel! Supple, limp, low memory. Great all around line for any situation 100% Berkley products.
Have you actually tested the stretch between different lines? I have and flo isn't much different than mono especially when used as a 10' leader, the problem I have with flo is shock strength. last year I sailed several chatterbait into the trees before I changed to Yozuri Hybrid. The flo knot(double pitzen) didn't break, the line snapped 6-8" from the knots.
Most Co-polymers are coated with Fluorocarbon, Yo-Zuri is not coated, it is actually co-extruded and thus it is co-polymer across the whole line. Yo-Zuri is awesome...and so is GAMMA polyflex
careful, braided lines will begin to loop if they have been sitting a long time, but within 2 or 3 casts the water will penetrate the braid and it will relax. ( It happens to my musky reels. the first trip out with my musky rods , I like to put a big lipped lure on and just let out 50 ft and travel 1min then reel it in. if your worried about trolling laws, keep a hookless lipped bait in the boat for this purpose.)
I've got a reel thats been spooled with the same braid I put on it 20 years ago and it still works fine. The spools down about 25% from trimming the end off from time to time as it got warn from structure and hard vegetation, but it still catches plenty even in heavily worked areas.
Excellent primer on line properties. Only thing I disagreed with was using braid for topwater. But you elaborated on it later when discussing mono. Love your channel, Nathan.
Save your money, buy Mono! Mono and Flouro are indeed similar in stretch and abrasion resistance (lots of proof tests here on UA-cam). Line memory is the down side, but it tends to relax after a few casts. Flouro and braid just don't have enough benefit to justify the increased costs.
Mono is more abrasion resistant. Many tests have been done showing this. Oddly, not a single test, even by a fluoro manufacturer showing fluoro to be more abrasion resistant. Nothing but a claim.
My favorite line is the one that gives me the best chance to land the fish for the situation/bait I’m fishing. As a young angler I didn’t know any better and fished the wrong line in certain situations and it stung.
@@nathanquincefishing7122 right the rod, reel, line, and bait all come together to make it but I’ve been burned on some biggins using braid where I should’ve used fluro and vice versa.
Ok in the mid 1980's I started using Dacron Braided line and fished into the late 1990's I do not recall ever breaking a line ever unless I had a lure hangup on and could not free it, then I had no choice but to cut it. Now I did use a mono tippit because of that usually in 10 or 12 lb. test.
Fluoro is not more abrasion resistant than mono. Both fluoro and mono sink. Fluoro just sinks faster but mono does not float. Fluoro can stretch more than mono. Its all dependent on which brand and model of line. And I'll restate it, mono is more abrasion resistant.
You can get rid of the memory coils by spooling a bunch of line hook it to something and stretch it and hold it for about 10 seconds the memory will be gone
I do this on all my mono. Only thing is, it doesn’t stay like that for ever. If you let the line sit on the reel for even a couple of days that memory will come back and you have to restretch it. Just be careful of not re-stretching it too much. You will damage the line.
🤔 is it worth the money for braid line. Just thinking about it I like changing out my line every trip to the water. Mt son was telling me that I will catch more fish but he doesn't show me any that he gets more fish then me. Monofilament Guy 😱🎣
Braid has it's advantages and disadvantages. The targeted species and environmental factors are what should be dictating the setup you're using. So, is braid worth it? That wholly depends on what you're doin' boss man. No one here can answer that question but you.
Not really, Sun fade doesn’t mean that much, and most abrasion is near the end. I actually found a reel I had forgotten about, and the braid was still fine. It was a bit faded, but that also is only on the end maybe 50 yards. I unspooled it, and re spooled in on another reel. All the color was back, and no wear on the “fresh” side. Used that real all year this year.
@@johnarcher9480 yep, I pulled some of my dads fishing stuff that had been sitting in a humid shed for a decade. The mono on the baitcaster? completely trashed even after running under warm water, it was brittle and just coiled up. The braid? worked perfectly with no issue on a spinning rod. Swapped it from the spinning rod onto the baitcaster and it was night and day (this also flipped it around).
The floating mono myth. Mono sinks. It doesn’t float. That being said, it sinks more slowly than fluoro so claiming that it “floats” isn’t a mortal sin. Monofilament line is composed of nylon and has a specific gravity of about 1.15, which is higher than that of both water (1.00) and ocean saltwater (1.03). Having a higher specific gravity means that mono is denser than both. Mono therefore sinks in both fresh and salt water. Yes… when you put a piece of mono in a glass of water, below the surface of the water so as to break the surface tension, the mono will sink to the bottom of the glass. It will not “float” back to the top. Some braided lines also sink, but only because they have strands of denser materials woven into the normally floating polyethylene braid fibers. YGK SS 112 is a sinking 8-strand braided line that has a specific gravity of 1.12 (as hinted in its name). It sinks, owing to 4 of the 8 strands being composed of a dense ester. Sunline Almight is a faster sinking braid with a specific gravity of 1.48. Almight consists of four strands of normal polyethylene braid wrapped around a fifth dense central core strand, which makes the overall line sink.
Good stuff! Now if they can come up with a fluorocarbon line that doesn't coil badly on spinning reels. I mean spool in one day and not fish for a month again and, the line not be coiled then. Any fluorocarbon line will work on spinning gear today if i spool it today. LOL
Power Pro Maxcuatro braid has good dia. For example, 20 lbs test comes with 0.007 inch = 0.19 mm but those new Maxcuatro lines sometimes come damaged and always need to be checked. Berkley is a liar. Their braid X5 with 20 lbs test line shows 0.006 inch = 0.17 mm but this line is thicker.
Love my braid, 8 strands or more, don't care manufacture. Mono works for anything else. Treble hooked topwater baits don't work well with braid because the line will loop around that front hook.
i'm having trouble with tying knots with flouro and copolymer i keep braking off with the uni knot i'm trying the palomar knot now but it kinks up the line when i sinch it down , what knots do you use for these lines ? i try to use braid on all my applications but i thought i'd try these other lines out for like swimbait and wacky rig some things my braid is just to much for
Sweet video Nathan . Very informative . I agree with everything but two small points . 1: I do throw both mono and braid for my top water bait except buzz baits . I throw them on Fluro for the abrasion resistants . I throw a buzz in some gnarly cover or up against dock posts , over bolders and sea walls . I never pause the bait so I never have to worry if it floats or not . 2: I've got a couple spoils of co-pol that are a hybrid of Mono and Nylon instead of Fluro coating (P-Line CXX) . Keep the video coming !!!
Good evening Mr. Nathan Quince Fishing, Thank you my Fishing Friend in describing and going into Very descpitive detail on the vareity of fishing lines! I am TOTALLY BLOWN AWAY! LOL! For years I have been aprehensive of using BRAIDED LINE do to it's course nature which damaged my guides on my rods! Thank you for DEBUNKING this with the NEWER IMPROVED BRAIDED LINES on the market. May God Bless you and your family. Sincerely, Mr. Carl J. Gwizdala. aka "Desperado."
Flourocarbon transmit vibration better than copoly or mono but copoly has less stretch. Some flouro lines have enormous stretch. Not all lines are equal.
So just how did you arrive at the 78% statistic? You do a poll? Local, State, National? Or did you suck it out of your thumb, it is common knowledge that 98.766% of all statistic are made up on the spot. Apologies for the late response but you have no statistically factual data to support your postulations.
What’s your favorite kind of fishing line?
All depends what I’m fishing.. but I lean on copolymer line the most
Fluorocarbon usually gets the nod.
I've tried to simplify things for myself. All but one of my rods is a braid->copoly setup. For whatever reason, my knots SUCK with straight fluorocarbon line so I avoid it.
Last year I tried braid for the first time. Power Pro braid 20 pound test. Works very well on my casting, spinning combos. This year I tried Venom's Silk Braid 20 pound, this by far is the BEST line I've ever used...casts a freakin' mile with ease and very strong like Power Pro. Fishing little ponds, small rivers I use 10 pound Triline mono. I recently bought YO-ZURI Hybrid 10 pound test. Can this hybrid be used on a spinning reel?
Power pro. Always.
Copoly is more abrasion resistant than flouro (proven) and it also sinks but more slowly. They tell you flouro is more abrasion resistant so you’ll spend more money for it.
I started using copolymer for leader, and it’s been working great
Tough as nails monofilament works great in every type of reel! Supple, limp, low memory. Great all around line for any situation 100% Berkley products.
Have you actually tested the stretch between different lines? I have and flo isn't much different than mono especially when used as a 10' leader, the problem I have with flo is shock strength. last year I sailed several chatterbait into the trees before I changed to Yozuri Hybrid. The flo knot(double pitzen) didn't break, the line snapped 6-8" from the knots.
Most Co-polymers are coated with Fluorocarbon, Yo-Zuri is not coated, it is actually co-extruded and thus it is co-polymer across the whole line. Yo-Zuri is awesome...and so is GAMMA polyflex
careful, braided lines will begin to loop if they have been sitting a long time, but within 2 or 3 casts the water will penetrate the braid and it will relax. ( It happens to my musky reels. the first trip out with my musky rods , I like to put a big lipped lure on and just let out 50 ft and travel 1min then reel it in. if your worried about trolling laws, keep a hookless lipped bait in the boat for this purpose.)
I've got a reel thats been spooled with the same braid I put on it 20 years ago and it still works fine. The spools down about 25% from trimming the end off from time to time as it got warn from structure and hard vegetation, but it still catches plenty even in heavily worked areas.
OK - that is crazy cool, dude!
Excellent primer on line properties. Only thing I disagreed with was using braid for topwater. But you elaborated on it later when discussing mono. Love your channel, Nathan.
Save your money, buy Mono! Mono and Flouro are indeed similar in stretch and abrasion resistance (lots of proof tests here on UA-cam). Line memory is the down side, but it tends to relax after a few casts. Flouro and braid just don't have enough benefit to justify the increased costs.
I have to disagree on floro for most abrasion resistance saltstrong has a video testing mono vs floro and mono always wins.
I’ve always learned the opposite from saltwater fishing too! They say flouro is a more abrasion resistant leader so you have to retie less than mono
Mono is more abrasion resistant. Many tests have been done showing this.
Oddly, not a single test, even by a fluoro manufacturer showing fluoro to be more abrasion resistant. Nothing but a claim.
My favorite line is the one that gives me the best chance to land the fish for the situation/bait I’m fishing. As a young angler I didn’t know any better and fished the wrong line in certain situations and it stung.
Keep at it! While the right line helps it isn’t the only thing that matters!
@@nathanquincefishing7122 right the rod, reel, line, and bait all come together to make it but I’ve been burned on some biggins using braid where I should’ve used fluro and vice versa.
Ok in the mid 1980's I started using Dacron Braided line and fished into the late 1990's I do not recall ever breaking a line ever unless I had a lure hangup on and could not free it, then I had no choice but to cut it. Now I did use a mono tippit because of that usually in 10 or 12 lb. test.
I use straight braid for everything here in South Texas
Surely you use 6 feet of leader?
Fluoro is not more abrasion resistant than mono.
Both fluoro and mono sink. Fluoro just sinks faster but mono does not float.
Fluoro can stretch more than mono. Its all dependent on which brand and model of line.
And I'll restate it, mono is more abrasion resistant.
You can get rid of the memory coils by spooling a bunch of line hook it to something and stretch it and hold it for about 10 seconds the memory will be gone
Yep that helps!
I do this on all my mono. Only thing is, it doesn’t stay like that for ever. If you let the line sit on the reel for even a couple of days that memory will come back and you have to restretch it. Just be careful of not re-stretching it too much. You will damage the line.
Best thing to do is drag it behind a boat pretty fast without anything tied to it.
🤔 is it worth the money for braid line. Just thinking about it I like changing out my line every trip to the water. Mt son was telling me that I will catch more fish but he doesn't show me any that he gets more fish then me. Monofilament Guy 😱🎣
Braid has it's advantages and disadvantages. The targeted species and environmental factors are what should be dictating the setup you're using. So, is braid worth it? That wholly depends on what you're doin' boss man. No one here can answer that question but you.
Braid has to be chabged seasonally. Sunfade and abrasion ruins it bybthe end of the season. However older braid makes good durable sewing thread.
Not really,
Sun fade doesn’t mean that much, and most abrasion is near the end.
I actually found a reel I had forgotten about, and the braid was still fine.
It was a bit faded, but that also is only on the end maybe 50 yards.
I unspooled it, and re spooled in on another reel.
All the color was back, and no wear on the “fresh” side.
Used that real all year this year.
@@johnarcher9480 yep, I pulled some of my dads fishing stuff that had been sitting in a humid shed for a decade. The mono on the baitcaster? completely trashed even after running under warm water, it was brittle and just coiled up. The braid? worked perfectly with no issue on a spinning rod. Swapped it from the spinning rod onto the baitcaster and it was night and day (this also flipped it around).
The floating mono myth. Mono sinks. It doesn’t float. That being said, it sinks more slowly than fluoro so claiming that it “floats” isn’t a mortal sin. Monofilament line is composed of nylon and has a specific gravity of about 1.15, which is higher than that of both water (1.00) and ocean saltwater (1.03). Having a higher specific gravity means that mono is denser than both. Mono therefore sinks in both fresh and salt water. Yes… when you put a piece of mono in a glass of water, below the surface of the water so as to break the surface tension, the mono will sink to the bottom of the glass. It will not “float” back to the top.
Some braided lines also sink, but only because they have strands of denser materials woven into the normally floating polyethylene braid fibers. YGK SS 112 is a sinking 8-strand braided line that has a specific gravity of 1.12 (as hinted in its name). It sinks, owing to 4 of the 8 strands being composed of a dense ester. Sunline Almight is a faster sinking braid with a specific gravity of 1.48. Almight consists of four strands of normal polyethylene braid wrapped around a fifth dense central core strand, which makes the overall line sink.
Hello from a fellow lover of the outdoors! 🌳
Good stuff! Now if they can come up with a fluorocarbon line that doesn't coil badly on spinning reels. I mean spool in one day and not fish for a month again and, the line not be coiled then. Any fluorocarbon line will work on spinning gear today if i spool it today. LOL
This is true!
I use 6lb braid for everything except on my crappie rods then it's 2 or 4 lb Mr. Crappie. Thank you for awsome content keep up the awsome work
Thank you!
That's tiny, what's a big lure to you 1/8oz?
@@thegiant573 no 1oz walleye jigging then its 8lb or 10 lb lmao
@@thegiant573 I do alot of panfishing though. Walleye rods are set up differently then my pannie rods 👊🤙
Pline mono and Berkeley line is very good and cheap . When fish are hungry they don’t give a f$$k what line you have 😂
If that’s the case there’s no sense in making a variety to choose from .
Power Pro Maxcuatro braid has good dia. For example, 20 lbs test comes with 0.007 inch = 0.19 mm but those new Maxcuatro lines sometimes come damaged and always need to be checked. Berkley is a liar. Their braid X5 with 20 lbs test line shows 0.006 inch = 0.17 mm but this line is thicker.
I run braid to fluoro on most of my rods. I run straight fluoro on my crankin rod. I generally use seagar smackdown braid and invisx flouro
Seagaur is some awesome like for sure!
Love my braid, 8 strands or more, don't care manufacture. Mono works for anything else.
Treble hooked topwater baits don't work well with braid because the line will loop around that front hook.
True!
Hello! I just came across your channel and wanted to say thanks for this informative video!
Thanks I appreciate that!
Well done. Thank you.
Thanks!
Sorry my guy, fluorocarbon is not more abrasion resistant than mono. Test it you will be surprised.
i'm having trouble with tying knots with flouro and copolymer i keep braking off with the uni knot i'm trying the palomar knot now but it kinks up the line when i sinch it down , what knots do you use for these lines ? i try to use braid on all my applications but i thought i'd try these other lines out for like swimbait and wacky rig some things my braid is just to much for
I use a Palomar but I will do a video soon on knots you need to know!
Lubricate your line more, and use a high quality expensive suffix mono
Hey Nathan, what was the make and model of that spinning reel with braid at the the start of the video?
Either a shimano Sedona if it was gold and silver or a Kistler series 1 if it was black!
@@nathanquincefishing7122 kistler👍🏼
What difference does it make when your using 20 lb test to catch 2 pound bass?
The action on your lure
Good stuff man!
Thanks!
Sweet video Nathan . Very informative . I agree with everything but two small points . 1: I do throw both mono and braid for my top water bait except buzz baits . I throw them on Fluro for the abrasion resistants . I throw a buzz in some gnarly cover or up against dock posts , over bolders and sea walls . I never pause the bait so I never have to worry if it floats or not . 2: I've got a couple spoils of co-pol that are a hybrid of Mono and Nylon instead of Fluro coating (P-Line CXX) . Keep the video coming !!!
Thanks for the feedback! Interesting point about buzzbaits I might try that!
mono is more abrasian resistant than fluro. Salt Strong for reference.
Good evening Mr. Nathan Quince Fishing, Thank you my Fishing Friend in describing and going into Very descpitive detail on the vareity of fishing lines! I am TOTALLY BLOWN AWAY! LOL! For years I have been aprehensive of using BRAIDED LINE do to it's course nature which damaged my guides on my rods! Thank you for DEBUNKING this with the NEWER IMPROVED BRAIDED LINES on the market. May God Bless you and your family. Sincerely, Mr. Carl J. Gwizdala. aka "Desperado."
Thanks! Good luck!
Thanks for the informative video!!!👊🏻 What pound do you use here in the "Burgh" area in the rivers and lakes up north? Stay Safe & God Bless!!
I fish everything from 8 pound flouro to 65 pound braid depending on the scenario!
Flourocarbon transmit vibration better than copoly or mono but copoly has less stretch. Some flouro lines have enormous stretch. Not all lines are equal.
You would never use braid without a leader. For sea fish up to 20 lbs I use 10lb fireline, fluorescent yellow, why would you ever use 65lb for bass?
Flipping in very heavy grass to get them out
great content
Thanks!
Hey Nathan, new sub here..really enjoying your vids. Do you tie braid to lure directly for the top water baits i.e. frogs or do you use a leader?
For most I tie direct but if I’m getting tangled sometimes I’ll use a short stiff mono leader
frogs I tie directly other topwater baits I use mono.
I think your hook up rate would improve massively if you tied 6 feet of 10 to 20lb fluorocarbon onto your braid with an all bright, or pr knot
@@joedennehy386 Fluo sinks not the best for topwater baits.
So just how did you arrive at the 78% statistic? You do a poll? Local, State, National? Or did you suck it out of your thumb, it is common knowledge that 98.766% of all statistic are made up on the spot. Apologies for the late response but you have no statistically factual data to support your postulations.
Absolutely hate braided line as it is a real bitch to tie.
It has its places!
San Diego jam knot
I have no issues with the Palomar knot and straight braid