Why I bought the Canon EOS RP over the R7, and you should too.
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- The Canon EOS R7 is a great camera, but the Canon EOS RP has a number of key advantages overs the R7, and it's half the price.
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Hi Mark, thanks for your video ! And do you still think that we can have more "cinematic" videos with the RP ? I'm going to make a decision and buy the RP :)
I have a video to be released tomorrow with a lot more information, it should help you decide.
@@markwiemels oh ok Mark thanks
I have had the Canon Rp for over 2 years and love the images that come out of it. It is slow but does everything i need it to do. For my line of work. Just wish battery lasted longer.
Upgrade the software, this will improve battery life dramaticlly
I have an RP and my thoughts precisely when I looked into the R7 to compare….. Your systematic way to focus on key arguments one by one is very good and comprehensive. Thanks for this video.
Thanks.
I have the RP, which I love. But since I’m much more video focused, the R7 is very attractive to me. I’m thinking of picking one up.
R7 is the way to go!
According to many tests, Canon RP is not better in dynamic range. It comes around 12 stops. Even my 80D has 13+ stops and is significantly older than the R7 Sensor. However, those APS-C sensors drastically lose image quality at higher ISO, while the RP practically does not perform worse until ISO 1600.
However, I never really fell in love with those Canon APS-C sensors. I don't know if it is the strong AA filter, but they never seem to be as sharp as they could be. Since I use my lenses with an Adapter on Fuji cameras which don´t have an AA filter, I can really see what they are actually able to perform.
However, I recently bought a RP as I still have some Canon lenses. They work on Fuji with an Fringer adapter, but somehow it is not the same. Some really are made for full frame.
However, on the RP, I finally got the image quality I was looking for in the APS-C models, even though it is an inferior sensor on paper.
It is definitely not for everyone. As you mentioned, sports and wildlife photographers are not the target audience. Also its not designed for pros.
Its an camera made for amateurs that want to have fun and want to capture HQ images. For me, it is perfect to give a selection of vintage lenses a second life. A lot of their character comes from unique bokeh and vignetting that is way better pronounced in full frame.
My biggest thing is, the RP does not record 4k 60 at all, no IBIS, and no CLog. The R7 from what I have seen very much compares with the RP. As a hybrid shooter R7 is the better buy hands down. Stills RP for sure, awesome video.
I own both. I'd debate some of the points here. I've had consistently better results with the R7 in low light. It's also stuck with a sensor that's exposed when changing lenses compared to the R7's sensor covered up when you change lenses.
The R7 is also far faster in focus.. Bokeh can be overrated especially when most of the time, people don't shoot (I don't) at anything less than F4. The blurry background has its place, but both professionally/commercially and for personal, more in focus is often more valuable. Miss focus at a shallow depth of field and you have no room for recovery.
And the battery.... it's terrible. I also only shoot with non-crop lenses bar 1 the 24 pancake ef-s (about 12 lenses) -
What I do like about the RP is that it's quiet, simple, light, and a darn good backup and very helpful when shooting multicam video as long as have continuous power on it and feeding it direct from the mini hdmi.
If you've been a Canon shooter with LPE6 batteries too, then that's just another reason to go R7 - carrying two battery formats around when shooting with multiple bodies is a royal pain.
I bought a screw driver in stead of a hammer and here is why I think you should too... If you want reach, get an R7. Its like shooting with an 81MP FF sensor and then cropping by a factor of 1.6 in the middle of the frame. If you want a wider field of view, get a R5/R6/RP...
I’m going to make the screwdriver video next.
Good point but R7 has more features, you can get boosters, and still get bokeh with faster lenses.
R7 all the way. Low light performance is more than good enough. Plus the R7 has stabilization, so you’re gonna shoot lower iso than on the RP anyway. The dynamic range on the RP is not better. The R7 has really good clog and the results are comparable. The only thing going for the RP is shallower depth of field (you will still get plenty shallow depth of field on the R7 though). R7 is superior in all categories except the “full frame” factor which in my opinion is overrated anyways.
Not to mention you can speedboost the r7 for depth of field. I have the full eos R and am moving to the r7. Full frame doesn't mean anything these days tbh. Not with 8k downscaling.
Agree! 💯
And there are still fools who buy the medium format.
I shoot the RP as a back up to my R5. I really considered selling the RP for the R7 since the R7 is better in every sense. The only reason I kept it is because my wide angle lenses are wider on full frame. If wide angle isn’t too important, by all means, the R7 is leaps and bounds better!
Why get the R7 when you can get the equally as good M6ii and always have it in your pocket?
I had the Canon EOS R and the autofocus is horrendous to say the least. I recently bought the R5 about a year ago and absolutely love it I was looking at getting the R7 as I currently have a 90d for wildlife as well. My wife now wants to start getting into photography so I wanted to buy her a camera so she don't have to change my settings all the time. Plus a mirrorless would be easier for her to learn on. I don't know if I should waste $900 on an RP because the battery life is crap the autofocus is crap and five frames per second is crap and we do a lot of Wildlife and she's going to struggle trying to get birds in flight. I just don't know definitely thinking about it right now
For sure you should go for the R7 over the RP.
From the Canon 2Q22 Financial Report:
"Unit sales of mirrorless cameras were above those of the same period of the previous year due to strong demand for the full-frame mirrorless cameras including the EOS R5 and EOS R6 and the favorable reviews of the new EOS R7."
Only R5, R6 and R7 are specially mentioned.
RP is 40% discounted in Amazon to clear stagnant stock?
Meanwhile many people are still waiting for the delivery of their EOS R7.
Good insight, this is really more about marketing than image quality. Specs on the RP are terrible, but the photo image quality is about as good as you can get at the current price.
The EOS RP has worse dynamic range at base ISO, but it catches up at higher ISO values. It can even match Sony A7RIV going ISO 1600 or above.
On the other hand, at the price point of R7, the competition is quite fierce, all with various trade-offs. Just to name a few: EOS R, Panasonic S5, G9, GH5, Sony A7 III, A7C, Nikon Z5, Olympus EM-1 MK 3, EM-1X. It's really up to the buyer to decide what trade-offs and what features they are looking for.
Would agree, the RP stands out for its value, especially used.
I would recommend the EOS RP for those who are looking in the $1500 to $1800 range as well. You get full-frame, 30MP, and it's a slightly newer camera.
The RP is 26.5 mpx ! the R7 is 32.5 mpx
How is it newer? 😅😂
Sheesh! And I just bought the Sigma 56 for my M50!
The sigma primes are great on the M cameras you won't find better for the price.
That's actually one of my favorite lenses and I use it on my M6 II. You couldn't get anywhere near that type of a lens for that price on FF.
That's a great setup, plenty good enough for professional work. Shouldn't have any regrets there.
Great video Mark, I know I'm not going to get an R7 if I was into video I would really consider that camera. I had already been looking at used RP's.
The RP image quality is really good.
Cool : ) hey Mark can you do some side by side images you take with the new RP and the M6 love to look at them Thanks
I have been playing with that, I will see what I can do.
@@markwiemels : ) TY
I've seen a bunch of tests which show the DR and ISO performance of the RP not being much better than the M6, so I don't know if this is a win by default for the FF RP.
In my testing the high ISO noise is better in the RP, without being mind-blowingly better. The Dynamic rang has been significantly better in the RP, at least at higher ISO levels, which it what I was testing. I should test them both a base ISO as well.
A larger sensor will give better low light photos. For stills, the RP would provide more usable photos.
Nope Nope Nope I understand his point BUT the EOS R is the Camera to buy if your considering the R7 and want full frame OTHERWISE the R7 focus is lightyears ahead of both the RP and the R the FPS is lightyears ahead as well. The only reason to buy the RP in 2022 when you can get the R for 1100 all day used is because you want the smallest full frame canon makes.........
Yes, the EOS R is better, but the a lot of people were running the RP as a back up body to the R, and most of the reports are that the image quality, and usability, is nearly identical, in real world use.
@@markwiemels So having owned both that is just not the case the R for nearly the same amount of money is much much sharper and usability is just better all the way around. Look at the end of the day I use an R3 most days and we have R5, R6 you name it. But i carry an EOS R on vacation and not the RP because its a better camera all around. When the RP was 1k more than the R I would have been in total agreement with you but using it professionally and that's what I assume we are talking about you'll miss shots left and right with the RP that would have otherwise been captured using the R. Anyway, have a great day and thanks for the video. If you would like to do a side by side We could send one out to you for you to see for yourself.
@@RayDeLuca thanks for the insight, it’s good to hear from someone that has shot them side by side, as I have not shot the R. Where I am located, Australia, the R is still twice the price, new or used.
I found this channel when i first bought my m50 and it has been invaluable to me...2 days ago, I upgraded to the Canon RP.
Like dude, get out of my brain haha.
Great to hear! Enjoy.
Thanks for showing this. I am fed up with carrying around heavy gear with my 6d ii and want to invest in a newer Canon but confused with which to get and a trade in for my gear.
I have all the expensive L lens so weight is my problem since hurting my back. What would you advise over a 6d ii
I do festivals, low light and point and shoot portrait for schools but i am not a pro. Just an avid fan
Great clear explanation.
Thank you.
Personally I would recommend an RP or R if one of those fits your budget and you can get the R to EF adapter for your lenses.
@@adrianvanleeuwen Budget is not an issue here, weight is! So I will study the two you mentioned.
Many thanks indeed for replying.
Keep those videos coming. I’ll be watching!
I have a more detailed video coming. RP has the 6d ii sensor in it, and is way lighter.
All these videos i keep seeing people not mentioning crop 4k for the eos rp.
I have the RP. It’s a great photo only camera.
agree.
I do wildlife, landscape and macro... I bought this to bridge the gap of my two current cameras. I love my 6d for it's image quality but I don't like it's weight and bulk and no tilt screen. Then I love my Sl3 for it's size and tilt, but not so much for image quality. This seems like a great middle ground. I've always used my 6d for wildlife so I don't think the shortcomings of the RP will affect me much as they're pretty similar.
Which would you recommend for indoor sports. I have problems getting enough light for basketball/volleyball games.
You probably need and f2.8 zoom lens, they tend to be pretty expensive.
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Conclusion getting RP does not help you to budget RF lenses ... since yoh can’t afford RF lens , big chance you have to get an adapter to buy cheaper and older canon lens which perform slow and produce crap xiaomi HP level kind of photos... might well just get a used Mark II instead ...
Anyway R7 will have more lens in the future .. and screw all the crop complaints .. good photographer eventually will find away ... personally i still think underdog R with the price still the best in value ... meanwhile R7 currently has no competition for camera price around that ..
R7 plus the kit lens is the same price as RP plus 35mm RF, 50mm RF, and 85mm RF Viltrox. So for sure the RP helps with RF lenses.
Which other lens should we get along with default one Rf 24-105 mm if we are into portraits, street, nightlife. Please suggest
I think the 50mm f1.8 is a great budget place to start for portrait, 35mm f1.8 is better for street and nightlife.
any thoughts on the Lumix S5/ It is also a full frame and almost the same price as an R7. Would be using EF to L mount converter.
It looks like an amazing camera, it would be hard to beat for the money. Video autofocus tends to be unreliable, but that would be my only issue with it.
So the RP can't handle any action or sports photos? I have a d7000. Is it at least better than that one?
Probably not, it take sa lot of processing power to track sports in a mirroless camera, and this one just doesn't have the power.
Good analysis, two completely different usage.
Is canon RP is a good option over R10 or r10 is better than RP?
Really depends on your use. For portrait, people, and landscape, I would go with the RP, for sports, wildlife, and any video, would go with the R10
I meannn for video, the r7 is so much better
Oh, yah, 100%. I mostly tried to point that out, but I have a follow up vide coming to fill in the gaps.
Can EF lenses be adapted to Canon RF mount?
Yes
@@markwiemels Great!!! I plan to buy one next month. Hopefully, the prices will drop right before Christmas.
@@Lepewhi Black Friday sales. For sure.
R7 + Speedbooster + FF EF glass!!
I should have a video on that setup soon.
Are you able to compare the R7 to the older Eos R?
If I get my hands on one I will.
Can you do an R8 video too?
I hope to do one. I think its a good camera.
I think the rp is even better than the eos r and eos r6
I’m not even kidding ! The photos are literally identical and the video is more than enough for the price…please don’t waste your money to those ones the rp is more than enough even after 5 years
Thanks for sharing.
Imo, the EOS R is the real underdog here.
Yea, it’s a great camera, but twice the price of the RP. Which is why I have tried to shine a light of the value of the RP.
Hummm, I thought the R7 has the brain 🧠 of the R3? Question 🙋♀️ your saying you can’t take portraits with an R7???
I didn't say it can't take portraits, you certainly can, the background just won't be as blurry as it would be on a full frame camera. The CPU has no effect on this, only the sensor size and the lens.
@@markwiemels … ahhhhhh👍🏽
Putt a speedbooster on r7, then r7 eats RP alive. Because DOF becomes almost the same as full frame, r7's dynamic range is slightly better, it has IBIS, much higher mp count, AND, with superior auto focus....full frame has become a kind of religion for many, but hey, there is nothing wrong with that. I'm very much i favor of freedom of religion.
Good share. I am excited about the speed booster R7 combo too, just be aware there are issue with IBIS and autofocus with the speed booster at the moment, and you won't be able to resolve 32 mp running through a speed booster, so photos will have more usable resolution from the RP. Having said that, some of the video footage that I have seen out of the R7 with a speed booster looks incredible. I have the R7 and plan on getting a speed booster.
R7 will kill it in an instant.
The RP was the worst Canon camera I ever had. Sorry but it's completely boggus to compare this piece of ..... to an R7. If you really need that bonus bokeh in your shoot go and grab a speed booster!
Most people, myself included, say the camera is pretty good with the current firmware. They did improve the cameras performance dramatically via the firmware.
@@markwiemels Ok, that could be a game changer that I missed. I bought mine when it was released and it was beyond terrible. I was happy to get rid of it shortly after. ^^
@@AchimTheEagle ok, yea, that would be it. It’s still not at the level of the current camera’s, but it’s very much usable. On release is was really unusably slow, particularly the autofocus.
@@markwiemels I switched from the RP to the M6 Mark II and was blown away by the difference. It was released just a few month later but at this time it felt as if the RP was released 3-5 years earlier.
@@AchimTheEagle It does still feel that way, to be fair, the M6 II was Canon's best mirrorless camera at the time, and is still holding up well today. In many ways it's as good as the R7.
You lost me at the RP having “significantly better” dynamic range. It’s worse than some old rebels.
At higher ISO its better than a lot of cameras, even some of the Sonys. It does struggle at lower ISO.
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@@markwiemels You are welcome!!! ;-)
I have the RP, but now I also own the R7. For me I use both for shooting. As i need a wide angle and dynamic range of RP. But I need the speed and AF from the R7 for bird and aviation photo. For me as an hobbyist photographer, both body was less expensive and give me the best of both world. The other thing that R7 excel is to be able to handheld at more lower shutter speed due to it having IBIS. I've tried both with RF 28mm f2.8 and 50mm f1.8. The R7 give me a lot more keeper than the RP even though the R7 is already 1.6X cropping.
Which one has better dynamic range?
@@morerx3104 rp still but r7 is sharper.
I think there's a place for the EOS RP but it loses virtually every battle with the R7 except for cost and dynamic range (and not by a lot on the DR). Most every comparison outside of those two and the R7 smokes the RP by a large margin. The RP is really only good for when you have a lot of time to make a decision to take a still photo. It's so slow that you can't take any sort of action shots (and by action I mean anything moving). I'm not an action photographer but I have birds outside my office window that land on the vines. To get a shot with them flying I just bump my M6II (or R7 if I had one) up to 14fps, focus and rattle off a second of shots then grab the best one and go back to work. At 5 fps (4 with AF!) the RP will miss getting the wings in the right spot, I know because I have some slower cameras and I spend a lot longer trying to get the shot even at 9fps of my M6I.
For video the RP can't compare to other full frame cameras because of the massive crop but the R7 already has a 4K 1.6 crop so the frame of view is pretty comparable however, and this is a big however the RP loses it's DPAF in 4K mode. This means you really have an EOS M3 at that point and anyone who's owned any of those contrast detect AF cameras know the 4K video is mostly unusable so it should be considered a 1080p video camera which maintains DPAF. I don't remember if the RP is pixel/line binned but that would also be important to know.
This means the RP's main strength is still photography where dynamic range is important. That's really it's main strength and even then it's not much of one. The R7 is just superior in every way - DPAF II, full non-pixel binned 4K, 3-6 times faster burst mode, IBIS etc. it's just not a comparison. I don't think the RP is a lump of coal but people should know what they're getting. In most cases the R10 probably competes better with the RP than the R7. The RP would still win on dynamic range by a bit (maybe) but lose on most everything else, just by a smaller margin.
I haven't compared the RP and the R10 but that may be a more interesting and closer race.
Oh, one afterthought that would be an advantage of the RP - wide angle. Trying to get decent wide angle lenses for a crop sensor is always a struggle. But we're talking anything wider than 24 mm (FF). Above 24mm and there's no real difference, you just do the math and buy the right lens (50mm instead of 85mm etc).
I will add a comment to my own comment. I wasn't sure there was dynamic range information available for the R7 yet but I found some. Here's a comparison of the RP and the R7.
Up to 1000 ISO the R7 is better, at the lowest ISO it's double that of the RP (maybe, I suspect the test). At 1000 it's roughly equal. At 51,000 ISO the RP has about a 10-12% advantage. Not significant. It's important to note that if you have an R7 at 12,000 ISO you have exactly the same dynamic range as the RP at 24,000. I don't know of any one that runs their ISO that high but if you want the same dynamic range of the FF sensor just half the ISO and carry on or stay under 1000 ISO.
www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%20R7
If a shallow DOF is an important factor you’ll get way more of it for way cheaper with the RP… Example, a Viltrox 85mm F1.8 is $400 but to match that depth of field and field of view using a crop sensor you’d need a 50mm F1.2 lens, we’re talking $1,300 for EF or $2,200 for RF. Or a $999 EF 135mm F2 on the RP looks roughly like an 85mm F1.2 ($2,000+) would on a crop sensor. Slap the 50 or 85 F1.2, or sigma’s 105mm F1.4 Art on the RP and you’ll get looks that the crop sensor can’t replicate at all. So for something like portraiture the R7 can’t compete.
@@andrewdoeshair Right, there are some cases where DOF is *harder* to do with a crop sensor mainly because of the lenses that companies choose to make since their target so far with RF mount has been full frame.
I don't think that a comparison between a budget Viltrox 85/f1.8 and a Canon 50mm/f1.2 is really fair though. You could put an EF Samyang 85 f/1.4 on the R7 for $600 and it would give you a pretty similar image to the $999 EF 135. It all depends on what is available and in what focal lengths.
The real advantage to full frame is that shallow DOF is *easier*. Most anything that can be done on FF can be done on a crop sensor if the lens is available until you get to really wide angle or really fast FF lenses. The reality though is that F/1.2 isn't very practical on a FF sensor as the depth of field is just too narrow. Not many people really want the end of a model's eye lashes in focus when her eye isn't. I find myself going with about f/2 on FF for nice pleasing DOF or f/1.4 on crop sensors.
For wide angle and extreme depth of field I'd go FF without hesitation. For the best dynamic range I'd go with (new) FF sensors. The sensor in the RP does not have better dynamic range in a studio setting which is the RPs strength. It does have marginally better dynamic range at higher ISOs though. Most other things the crop sensor is perfectly fine at and for longer focal lengths the crop sensor may have price and size advantages.
Some good info in this thread, thanks for sharing.
@@andrewdoeshair with EF glass you can use a speed booster adapter to get most of the DoF back. Not perfect but possible. If you absolutely need every last drop of shallow DoF then yea go FF. But I'd wager you would need to look at photos side by side to see the difference in 1 stop of DoF. I def do. It's not that big of a deal. At least not to sacrifice literally every other aspect of the camera, at least IMO.
I currently shoot FF and had an EOS R for 2 years but in the RF lineup the R7 is the only camera I'd consider. If the lens situation improves enough I might switch again.
The R7 is a race car. Compared to the RP which is more of a SUV. The RP is a great camera. But if you need speed then the R7/R5 is where you go.
Fair comments.
Damn… I wish I had seen this video when it came out… Less than a year ago, I bought an R7 and I am mostly interested in landscape photography. However, I don’t really have regrets because I do use the camera for occasional sports and wildlife photos and videos which the R7 is great at… but now I am thinking of buying an RP in addition to the R7... Great deals are still possible in 2024… It's so much easier to buy stuff than to go outside at 5 in the morning to take shots of the sunrise :). I think that the R7 is probably a more complete camera in addition to offer dual card slots and a bigger battery, because you can do more with it, but there is no question that the RP is better at some tasks. Great video, Mark, as always!
I have 3 RPs for my organization. We have many crop sensor cameras. When compared with crop sensor cameras, the images are miles better and way sharper especially at high ISO. In fact I can acceptable images even at ISO 8000. For the crop cameras, it cannot survive beyond ISO3200. So we can take pictures without flash indoor and yet it looks fantastic.
Great to hear!
Umm..have you even tried the R7 before making this video? Because you seem to have read the specs and made a video about it, having almost no clue what you are talking about. RP uses basically the same sensor as a 6D Mark II, which is 5 years old, as for the R7 which uses a similar sensor to 90D which is 2 years newer. RP has a horrible Dynamic Range and I would bet the R7s is better. Better lowlight? I also kinda doubt that. DIGIC 8 vs DIGIC X processors as well. Its also not half the price - 1099eur vs 1499eur with rf-ef adapter. And you also have no clue about cinematography, since you're talking about FullFrame sensors in cinematography, which have been around for maybe 2-3 years, and not even fully incorporated in the movie industry. Get your facts straight and test out the equipment before posting this kinds of videos, please.
I can see you feel very strongly about cameras. You missed the update video pinned in the comments, here it is -ua-cam.com/video/kf_BoDg9eEY/v-deo.html
@@markwiemels I was a part of Canon Promo Team for 6 years, so yes, I guess I do feel strongly about someone talking about cameras. Tried basically every camera from all the competitors (because we had to) and I rly think you should try out the cameras you talk about.
You forgot the most important thing, at least for me, the IBIS. For handheld photo shooting with no stabilized lenses is a VERY big bonus. I use vintage and manual lenses and having IBIS is a heavy game changer. You can focus accurately even with long lenses
There is an interesting thing. The IBIS of R5/R5 is not well designed. Because it is the first time. If you don't believe it, go find a video about the 16mmF2.8 lens. You will find that if it is R5/R6 and 16mm, then the picture is ugly and twitching. But RP+16mm, no problem. Although Canon has just upgraded the firmware to 1.6, it is only a little improvement, and the surrounding area of the screen is still twitching. Therefore, I think there is something wrong with the IBIS design of R5/R6.
Nice video! But… I went with the R7 instead 😊 especially since I mostly do video. I’ll go fullframe next, when Canon updates the R6 to mk2. And I’ll already have the full frame lenses by then!
I didn't wat that 29:59 record limit.
I would go R7 for video too.
you loose
your loss
What I'd like to see in the R6 Mk II is the intelligent shoe for the Tascam XLR unit.
Great video. I have the EOS R and the R7 and they work beautifully together. I use th R7 for birds and sports. I use the R for landscapes and portraits. Each shines in the area they were designed to shine. The R7 eye tracking and the frames per second is top notch. The R takes beautiful full frame landscapes. If you can't have both, decide what you shoot the most and go with that camera.
Great tip here, thanks.
Great tip
What is the difference between the R and RP then?
Does the RP agave a 30min record limit? That’s the only thing that steers me away because I record golf simulator videos and often need 30-45 mins record time in a single shoot
Buddy, A LOT RUBBISH opinions masquerading as facts in this video! It's a shame, because the viewers of your channel like the casual down to earth approach to video and photography subjects you normally present and will take your advice as gospel. I hope that you will revisit the subject once you also own an R7 and redeem yourself by presenting facts as facts rather than opinions as facts. I look forward to your future real life comparison between the 2 models, because this video wasn't it.
(Can you point to tests done on R7 dynamic range? No. Is general comparison between full frame and crop sensors still valid as it was a decade ago? No. Due to wide range of manufacturing technologies the only way to say which sensor performs better, is to compare individual sensors. In fact the EOS RP dynamic range in low ISO is poor even when comparing to some APSC sensors. "Poor crop lens choices"? R7 and R10 are the only cameras in Canon's history which natively work with Canon's 4 lens ranges: EF, EF-S (both via native adapter), RF, RF-S. Not even mentioning 3rd party speed boosters. (Credit to Canon for finally sorting out that issue over the previous EF-S and EF-M conundrum). There is nothing wrong with RF lenses performance on Canon EOS R7. In fact the AF works BETTER, because R7 has a higher spec'ed CPU then EOS RP. APSC lens equivalence: you gave an example of EF 40mm lens "becoming alive" on RP. Canon made an equivalent APS-C lens first, it's called EF-S 24mm - it does exactly what it should. And since when having less megapixels is better for landscape photography??
And the majority of Hollywood cameras are APS-C sensors in form of Super35.
There are other points which you have not addressed like user interface, weather protection, memory card implementation, which are inferior on RP yet important for general usage.)
I will have an R7 tomorrow, I have compared the RP to the M6 Mark II, which appears to be the almost the same sensor, but I will correct any incorrect assumptions. I’m not sure if you missed it, but I said that “every bit of technology, aside from the sensor, is superior in the R7”. A few side notes, the 24mm ef-s lens is unlikely to resolve 32mp, and Hollywood has moved on from super 35, it’s mostly larger format now. I do take your larger point, thanks for the input.
A lot of this is just flat out wrong. R7 has better IQ, AF, IBIS and has IBIS. Crop RF lens selection sucks but adapted EF FF advantages can be brought back with a speed booster. I shoot FF but people put way too much weight on being able to say "I shoot FF". Just because a camera has a bigger sensor doesn't mean it's automatically better and the RP is a clear case of that. It's half the price of the R7 because it's an inferior camera in every way but sensor dimensions.
I made and updated video covering the side by side on the cameras, has a bit more detail.
Is it fair to compare APS-C to full-frame? I mean, R7 is basically a top-tier Canon APS-C camera, while RP is meh full-frame.
I've had the RP since 2021 when I upgraded from the Rebel T5 (big upgrade) - I still love it just as much as the day I bought it. When this one kicks, I'll buy whatever the equivalent replacement is down the road
Fair warning. Beware 3rd party RF EF adapters. I bought one to save 50 bucks and after 2 days of shooting and lens changes i took a closer look inside my sensor area. They were using a much softer metal and the lens changes had been shaving off metal flakes into my sensor area. Thankfully i cleaned it out got away without damage, but i recommend spending an extra 50 bucks off the bat for the official adapter to save yourself the headache.
I have a video coming out on that, I have bought a number of them and identified ones you shouldn’t buy. The good ones are every bit as good as genuine.
I sold my rp based on focus speed when I do events. Rp was awesome and I had it from day one but as soon as I could get an r7 I went for it lol.
R7 is an awesome camera, it you need quick autofocus the RP is not the right camera. That's probably the RP's worst feature.
AF speed and reliability has become paramount to me, getting the image or clip as fast as possible is priceless to me, far more than dynamic range or resolution - I get paid for getting those clips imsges so AF no 1 for me, thats why Im probably moving from a D750 to a R7.
Completely agree! For me I have the R7 and R6 and the R7 compliments my R6. The R6 is amazing on so many levels, but the R7 video features totally blow the R6 out of the water. I did comparisons on my channel. Keep up the good work!
Oh, hey, yes been watching your R7 stuff! really good work.
@@markwiemels I appreciate it! I usually don't dive too much into one camera, but this is my first APS-C since the Canon T2i from 2010 and I am overly impressed how far APS-C's have come in the last decade. I ended up picking up the Tascam XLR adapter that connects directly through the R7 Electronic Hotshoe and again...completely blown away. I'll probably get some content out on that too.
@@JaredHoyman Yes, I saw that setup in one of your thumbs or videos, can't recall which. I love the quick fire comparisons you are doing, super useful.
I changed my mind btw - i sold the EOS RP, as much i liked fullframe, i will enter the full frame game with the EOS R5 Mk2 2nd hand in many years.
But also only because i do more video and for basic landscape and family stuff im also fine with the R7 and a 17-55 2.8 and 10-20, otherwise im doing only wildlife anymore where i really need the proper gear.
Also, i would consider the Meike Adapter with filter insert, 100$ more than the regular EF RF adapter but you get a V-ND and clear insert (100$ cost alone a clear insert at canon!). Especially on the EOS RP i enjoyed the filter adapter a lot when using mainly EF glass.
Would love to see a video on what a m50 user should upgrade to! I’ve been using the m50 with the sigma lenses for the past 3 years and love it! But curious what the natural upgrade might be when the time comes….
Yeh same one been using mine for 1.5 years now and wanting to progress into more video stuff. Was looking at canon R but it’s a huge investment so will have to wait
Canon m6 mark ii
For photography...this video kinda answers that.
For video - probably a different brand, maybe a sony a6400 (Canons good video cameras are $$$)
@@mademyday100 yea, for video. I imagine anyone with a M50 basically has it for video, thanks!!
@@GoandLove m50 is limited in video compared to other brands (30min limit, poor 4k options, battery life etc.)
But the cost outweighs everything...m50 is an amazing all rounder. Love mine, probably wont sell it yet
I currently shoot wildlife, nature, and some landscape with the RP and sigma 150-600 and can't wait to get rid of it. My keeper rate is about 50%. Horrible focus breathing, and pulsing to the point I just manual focus, 5 fps and miss half bird and waterfowl shots in action... I'm hoping to get an R7 or R5 within the next few months along with the 100-500
I would recommend the RP to someone who only has a budget of $1,000 for an entire rig. Or just strictly landscape, portrait stills. But even at that price point, once you add a lens, you're at 1,500 if you use the RF to EF adapter, and a used EF lens or 3rd party. I'd just probably pick up a used m6mk2 that is cheaper, faster, lighter, and has dpaf in 4k with more megapixels for cropping and for landscape, along with the sigma 1.4 trio.
If you're doing strictly wildlife.....stay away from the RP
Just a heads up, the R7 has issues with autofocus, especially for wildlife, the R5 and 6 are superior. R7 has front an back focusing issues, misses a lot.
Yes it's a good camera, but you put folks in mistake. R7 have much better newer sensor. It have usable IBIS and oversampled 4K 10 bit in H.265 finally. Within all this this is the camera most people would need in 2022 even pros. Obviously it's bit more expensive but with all those improvement this makes a deal. And RP it's definitely not a camera for low light video as well as EOS R. You can hardly use those cameras above 1600 ISO in video department, so no one should expect R7 to be the low light beast. Nevertheless, it's definitely much better choice in 2022.
I will have a real world comparison coming up. Thank you so much for pointing out the low light video thing. I probably would have just provided photo examples otherwise, but you are right, video often performs very differently than photo.
Great arguments! After seeing this video, I'm seriously considering buying the Canon RP for my photography purposes
I'm glad you cleared up the thing about "unless you are a Wildlife shooter" right away, as that is exactly what I am. I have an R5 already, but it's always in the 1.6 crop mode, for extra reach, which drops it to a measley 17mp's ☹️
I'm totally thinking about the R7 for 32mp's with the same reach as my R5 in crop mode.... And as a backup for my R5. Really need a backup when doing cross country birding trips.
Yes, a lot of R5 owners are buying it for that, just be aware the focus is imperfect and not as good as the R5, check my lasted video on this.
that´s exactly what I hoped for the R7 ... a second camera to my R6 and a " 1.6 teleconverter" with even more reach due to it´s 32mp sensor ... but canon (again) changed the button layout, made a fast camera with a small buffer, did not develop a battery grip ... why not take the body of the R5/6 an put an APSC sensor in it? Just like in the "good old days" of an EOS 5dMkIII and 7dMkII ... I cancelled my preorder for the R7 and started looking somewhere else.
@@joekugelblitz4144 even with the R5, I feel like Canon put 95% of their R&D for the battery grip into > "Lets make sure nobody can make a cheaper aftermarket copy".... Then, we can make a lightweight, chincy little grip, and charge a ridiculous amount for it ! :( Mine already failed once after 6 months, with no drops, slams, accidents, etc. Oh sure, they gave me a free replacement, but I have zero confidence that this one with last more than 6-12 months either :(
Tests online have found that the R7 is great in low light.
Both RP and R7 uses old sensors. Only that R7 is produced on a new proces. You are comparing using requirements that are valid for landscape and portrait photography. If you are a hybrid shooter then R7 is the way to go. Also you are saying a lot without a proof. When the RP was released DP review said that the video quality was one of the worst of camera in his price. Another point is that the dynamic range of old sensor in RP is the same as the new APS-C sensor of Fuji with at that time was in Fuji x-T4 and now Fuji X-S10. So Canon could design a new APS-C sensor using new technology. Simply they didn’t chose for marketing purposes called the Canon Cripplehamer.
I have made a follow up video covering much of this, thanks for the input.
What puts me off from the RP is all the reports of short battery life
These cameras are so different idk how you can make this call. The R7 is so much more video capable it isn’t even close.
I have the R7 now too, it has so many bugs and issues that I don't even use it..
Do a video comparing the RP vs R8! I’m trying to decide between the two!
I am planning to to buy RP. Do you think is this good for taking indoor videos also with all background blur, slow motion etc. in Best Buy they selling with default lens RF24-105 F4-7.1 IS STM lens. Will that be good lens for indoor videography and photography OR you suggest any better lens ? please suggest.
I do Landscape and enjoying HDR mode on my RP so im not so bothered about the blownout skies anymore with that feature, and for portraits? Oh man, you can't go wrong with full frame It'l give you nice and good result and it has high Dynamic range than my previous crop sensor.
That's a good tip! Thanks.
Mark I never felt making the wrong choice following your gear & camera suggestions, and I`m gonna do the same for this time.
So nice to hear, good luck.
@@markwiemels same. I didn't even know about RP (new to photography), i was confused between s5 and fuji xs-10.
thanks as always
In the early 2000s (2007?) I remembered seeing a photo shot with a Nikon D200 (APS-C, 10 MP) in National Geographic. I thought it was stunning. So stunning that later, I bought a D300, my principal camera, for years. I love the advances cameras have gained; however, good photos are taken by good photographers, not cameras. That said, the right camera for the job makes a photographer's work easier.
FF sensors are great at giving you a blurred background, and tiny 1" sensors are fantastic for giving you zoom power in a tiny package. I now have many cameras, including a 6D Mark II. when that camera came out, reviewers complained about its dynamic range. However, it was better than the 5D Mark III, which was praised by the same influencers.
When I recently took graduation portraits of my son, I used a FF camera, but when I was in his school's arena for the graduation ceremony, I used an old Sony RX10 with a 1" sensor (due to the size of the camera). I was happy with both sets of images.
Excellent video, really enjoyed it. I think all of us in the Uk will have to make a decision to buy the rp, r5 or r6, maybe even change brands as canon has not supplied stocks of the r7 in this country, or even say if they ever will. Rumours are we will have to wait until next year.
Yes, I am hearing that from others as well.
RP is a great camera and a real bargain second hand.
I have an old Canon DSLR and I bought a r100 recently so that I can get back into photography as a hobby. I am really happy with the r100 and I am planning to get a full frame mirrorless maybe in a year. This video is making me want to get an RO today lol
I am going to spend more time with my r100 however. It is a lot more than I expected considering I paid $237 for it brand new. It's small enough that I know I'll keep it forever as a travel camera. With a 35 or 50 mm lens it's still pretty small.
No. RP is very dated. RP video files sux
I picked up an RP pre-loved and I still have an M6 Mk 2- so I'm quite happy - oh.and I have an ancient 5D mk 2 and an M50- they are all brilliant...
RP has lower dynamic range (R7's RAW files are more flexible as well), it's silent mode is barely useable (you have to use a specific "silent" mode), it doesn't have İBİS, it's EVF is inferior, it's AF is good but nowhere as good as R7 (which rivals top cameras).
RP is cheaper, it's high İSO (probably after İSO3200) is better.
Your videos are really really good. Clear and on point!
While I don't think you're wrong, necessarily, the sensors in the R7 and R10 actually have more dynamic range than the RP so I think that for general beginners that will tend to screw up exposure more often they would probably be better, by a stop or two than the RP sensor maybe?
and to be clear I LOVE the RP ... just thinking out loud.
I ended up clarifying some of this in a follow up video.
I have the RP and the R7, and I question the idea that that the RP has better dynamic range. The RP can still take great photos, and it's maybe a stop better than the R7 with high ISO. I actually prefer the lens performance on the R7, since it crops the edges and corners. The RP is no slouch, and it deserves to remembered for affordable full frame, but the R7 actually performs better overall.
A good video that explains it all so beautifully. I’m a bit confused with the rapid fire cameras that Canon has pushed out- as in R3,R5,R6,R7,R10. I’ve been using the Canon M50 for two years and it is fine but wanted to go full frame. I’m just thinking of total change from Canon to Sony A7iv…..thoughts? Although having watched your video, the RP looks a good second camera and keeps me with Canon
My biggest issue with Sony is that they are horrible to use. The menus system, screen, and general ergonomics are terrible. You get a lot of tech for the money, but the usability just isn't there. I own and have used a number of Sony cameras, and I have tried to make that move, but they are just horrible camera's to use, in my opinion.
@@markwiemels thank you for that…I’m looking at the RP and I believe there may be a new mark 2 out soon….so the rumours go.
@@markwiemels and to mention the color reproduction of Sony lags far behind Canon and Sony. Having been a Nikon shooter and a Sony shooter, it took a lot more time to get my pictures(with the Sony) where they needed to be compared to Nikon's fabulous color reproduction. I'm considering trying Canon ML for the first time.
People fighting in the comments just get the R8 😅 imo much better camera for the money in terms of everything except the IBIS but most of the RF lenses are stabilized anyway.
i managed to get a bundle of 3 EF USM (gold ring) prime lenses (28 f1.8, 50 f1.4, 100 f2) in very good condition with the original packaging and stuff for cheap, i have an old rebel t3i (600D) and im not sure if the RP is still worth it as today, what do you think?
The problem with buying the RP is what if I need the 1.6 crop? Should I move to Nikon aps-c?
I'm a newbie, I've been using canon 77d for years. the war in my country showed that you need to do what you like. I definitely need to improve the camera. I want to buy sony a7iii, but not a new one, I watched a lot of videos and information, maybe someone will give me advice on which camera is better to buy, sony a7iii or canon RP
The Sony is better in every technical way, better high ISO, better dynamic range, better video specs. The are only 2 things the RP is better at are, better natural colors and skin tones, and better ergonomics. The ergonomics and menu system on the Sony is horrible, almost unimaginably bad. I would try to go into a store and play with an A7iii for 15-20 minutes, then make up your mind.
@@markwiemels thank you!
Those inexpensive RF 1.8 canon lenses are not in line with other manufacturers lenses. Those canon lenses have external zoom elements on the front that protrudes out of the front. Most other lenses are all internal. Those inexpensive lenses were a turn off to me. Wanted to like canon but those lenses are a deal breaker for me.
Refurbished RP body for $599 on Canons website right now! Got mine yesterday
I do both. So I have both. 😜.
I INCREDIBLY appreciate you opening the video with the disclaimer for action photography, saved me time in trying to understand if the R7 was right for me or not.
All videos in my channel are taken with RP. It’s a great camera for UA-cam.
Yah, hard to beat for the money.
Thank you very much for your videos, I found your channel very informative and I love the way how you can pass your knowledge. I would like to ask you for some advice if possible. I am about to buy Canon camera, mostly for you tube work and mostly for cooking videos made always from tripod. My budget is not the biggest around 1000$ for the body or body plus kit lens, I watched your videos about canon R10 and Canon RP. I would really appreciate if you could advice me which camera would be better for that purpose and also taking in account buying some lenses later on. Thank you so much. All the best
Full frame sensors have a higher absolute number of dedicated lenses that are great than cropped sensors have. There is no technical reason for this - but amateurs tend to buy cheaper cropped sensors/lenses - proffessionals tend to buy expensive full frame sensors/lenses - its just a tradition. Full frame lenses may work fine on cropped sensors but are a considerable waste of glass/weight/money and a suboptimal design for cropped sensors. A f/2 cropped lense can be compared - exactly - to an f/2.8 full frame lense on every parameter: height, lenght, weight, design, depth of field, optical performance, geometry, etc.. The only limit for cropped sensors is sensor area, that is: the number of pixels can be twice as high on full frame sensors, so if more than 50 Mp, low light noise and dynamic range/ highlights are very important your work - then go full frame. Also go full frame if the new or used lense selection is important to you - in the future. But don't buy into the myth that full frame is a superior optical format due to lense design and depth-of-field. Example: an expensive well designed f/1.4 16 mm cropped lense - ought to have similar performance and price to an f/2 24 mm full frame lense; the two lenses should have the same lense design, but one focuses the light on a small sensor - and the other spreads it thin on a big sensor. Full frame systems have much bigger lense line-ups, but the best 10% cropped lenses are better than the worst 60% full frame lenses.
No way lol I had that wobbly video, flawed photo camera, worst cam I ever owned
Before the R7, I was in line awaiting the EOS R. I didn't go with the RP because it had the same limitations as the camera I was running at the time, thr M50. Battery life and the severe crop factor in 4k video that went to contrast based AF. I stuck with APS-C because I had mainly APS-C lenses. But if I do start picking up full frame RF glass, I may look into whatever the R replacement is. If it has similar specs, just with some updated tech then I may pick that up and run that with my R7. I'm playing around with wildlife photography on my R7.
Same here, i began with wildlife some months ago and realized fast: The RP sucks for it.
I have now the R7 as dedicated wildlife camera.... its AWESOME, but i will keep the RP for sure.
I was also for over 10 years into Canon APS-C, but i always bought higher quality EF glass which the best of it is still in my hands (like 16-35 2.8, 70-200 2.8, 24-105, all L lenses)...
Its really enjoying to have a "entry level" Full Frame like the RP with proper glass for it and as backup/wildlife body the R7. In my opinion a much better decision than the R6 or R5
I tried to replace the RP with a R6 for everything.... nope its too heavy and big, performs not as good as expected and so not even close to worth the money. If i would have gone for a single camera.... then the R5 but its much too expensive anyways (and still limited in some things like the R6 as well.. no pre burst for example which is handy for wildlife)
In so many things i can take much more advantage over the RP+R7 than i could with R6 OR R5
Just yesterday at a pond. The ducks came much too close, literally to me so i just picked the RP with the telezoom instead of the R7 with the supertele (which was anyways for much too tight, 1280mm is a very hard to handheld hell!)
Just the impressive performance increases of the full frame glasses on full frame doesnt allow me to sell the RP.
Especially the 16-35mm doesnt make sense without full frame, but also other lenses like the 70-200 or basically ALL primes like 50mm 1.8 are much more universal than on a crop sensor
Full frame for the photographers, APS-C/ or even Micro 4 loser for videographers/wildlife (Until Sony deliver a more affordable full frame package)
Concerning the low light performance, I've seen several tests comparing RP to R7, and the R7 won those.