What if Triple Finish was a Real Pokemon Move? 🔥💦🍆 Gnoggin | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate X Pokémon
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In Super Smash Brothers Ultimate, the Pokemon Trainer (Red or Leaf) use Triple Finish as their Final Smash. This is not a real Pokemon move... But what if it was? How would it work? How would it balance out? That's this video.
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Chapters:
00:00 Pokemon Trainers Final Smash
00:45 Would Triple Finish be a Legal Move?
01:29 What moves are they using in Triple Finish?
02:10 Would Triple Finish work like Tri Attack?
02:59 Would Triple Finish work like Flying Press?
04:35 Would Triple Finish use Math?
06:46 Flying Press + Math = Triple Finish?
08:00 If Triple Finish was a real move
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I mean, if GameFreak added a move that always crits with a pokemon that hits trough protection, I don't see why they wouldn't do something as horrible as this
As someone that dislikes stall, im happy that added moves that always crit xD
Stall would in my opinion be better if it wasn't because healing moves always healed so much.... Though, maybe they could have added an item that reduced healing instead for the opposing mon...
Like a Poisoned Leftovers?
@@cosmicrowlet2815 maybe? a held item that reduced healing from the enemy mon
@@dkznikolaj7013 you can trick a black sludge or sticky barbs or toxic/flame orb
or if it's a stall Pokemon you can trick a choice band or something to have them locked in a single move
@@LobitaSpaumeadora That's true. Still, I'd like a more direct counter to it.
Maybe some pokemon should have it as an ability rather than it being an item.
The dragon types that resists all 3 types: That's cute
Moustacheless man has arrived once more
Looks it it’s that one guy ya know that one guy
It's the one guy that we don't know there sub number lol
Hey it’s the guy who’s somehow subbed to everyone. How you doing bro? Also yeah that dragon would be saying that tho.🤣
That's on top of most dragons having a secondary type that also resists at least one of these. A mono dragon would take 1/8 damage. A dragon/flying (the most common combination) would take 1/16 damage since it resists grass twice.
Ground dragons (Flygon, Garchomp, Zygarde) would be the most "it risk" from this move, taking a whopping 1/2 damage
it's just a triple battle with the 3 pledge moves combined
Only stronger
The comparison to Flying Press or Tri-Attack doesn't really work here. Those are both single moves, done by a single pokémon. Triple Finish is three separate moves, used by three separate pokémon, all fired at the same target - therefore, each move should have its relevant type's effectiveness applied separately
Also, even if we ignore Beat Up, it would still be legal in a triple battle
@@TheAnalyticalEngine ofc course it would still be legal since you can technically go recreate it in Gen V. Just get a Charizard, Ivysaur, and a Squirtle, and tell them to use Fire Blast, Hydro Pump, and Solar Beam at a single target. Triple Finish would be considered a single move, and I see it working in the same way as a Z-move, being single use. The easiest fix is giving it the normal typing of Tri Attack, then giving it the "Guaranteed Super Effective" effect, similar to the guaranteed crits the Urshifu's have, so that it's always super effective regardless of the opposing pokemon's type.
Thank god I wasn’t the only one thinking this. Holy
Except it's Fire Blast, Solar Beam, and Hydro Pump, not the Pledge moves.
i thought it would be Hydro Cannon, Frenzy Plant, and Blast Burn at the same time
dragon types be like "are you quite done yet?" as they sitting on a lawn chair with a cool drink...
But not too cool as they dislike adding any ice
no matter how you slice it, teamwork, team building, skill management, etc. is not going to help them when everything about what they are doing is resisted by dragons. I think there is also one other way to look at this, which is to consider the strengths of the three specific moves being used: fire blast, solar beam, and hydro pump; treat the attack as all three moves being used at once
@@ProjectEchoshadow good point... especially given that there are actually more dual-typed dragons with 4x weakness to ice than there are that are only 2x weak to ice...
if ice was available earlier in pre-fairy type regions, or even just more available in general, it probably would have gone a long way towards balancing dragon types...
@@zachrodan7543 iirc, every game that has a dragon gym leader has and area to get ice pokemon before them. Plus ice type moves can be found early on in some solid water type pokemon
The real problem is that ice is a glass cannon type that just makes a pokemon weaker overall just by having it. It has 4 weaknesses and they only type it resists is itself. In most cases, it's better to go without the STAB bonus in favor of not stacking on unnecessary weaknesses.
The best combination with ice is water because it neutralizes 2 ice weaknesses without doubling down on at least one other. Though, this drags down the viability of the water pokemon because it no longer resists fire or steel only to gain doubling down on the existing ice resist.
In reality, ice wouldn't be so bad if it resisted water and maybe grass as well
@@erebos42 and yet despite all of these flaws, I somehow still find people saying Grass is objectively the weakest type, solely due to its tie with Rock for most weaknesses, when Ice over here is too much of a glass cannon for its own good.
Before Watching: Surely it would be Normal because Tri-Attack is Normal.
Tri-attack should be a dragon type move.
@@bivcbmtgstgtssscqcrddgtrsm2257 why do you say that? Elemental dragons or something?
@@bivcbmtgstgtssscqcrddgtrsm2257 but Tri-Attack is just a generic attack
@@shadownyx1621 Something about it just feels like a dragon type move.
Try-Attack should have the type super effective and resistance of 🔥,❄️ and ⚡️ combined.
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I know the "It's super effective" type chart at the end was just a joke, but what if the type chart worked like this under that logic: If one of the 3 types is super effective, the move hits super effective, if one of the types is resisted with none of them being super effective, it's resisted, if all are neutral it hits neutral (the logic being that the trainer/pokemon would know if one of them was super effective and focus on that specific type with the attack while lowering the other 2), here's the chart :
Super effective on: Ground, Rock, Bug, Steel, Fire, Water, Grass, Ice
Not very effective on: Flying, Poison, Dragon
Neutral on: Normal, Fighting, Ghost, Psychic, Dark, Fairy
I kinda just assumed it was like the grass, fire, and water pledge attacks because those are made to stack with each other like Triple Finish does.
Quite literally what it is in triple battles (rest in peace: Gen 5 to Gen 6)
Why did they get rid of that battle format?
@@andresmarrero8666 Sun and Moon struggled to have 4 pokemon on screen at once (on the original 3ds anyways) so it was probably just hardware issues
Plus I think it is was the least played format along side rotation battles
@@somedumbo5665 Basically this yeah. A lot of people think that they were the gimmick battle types of Gen 5 but that was actually this one weird disc battle thing.
I always imagined it would be a multi-hit move, always hitting three times with each hit being a different typing. Wouldn't have to worry about immunities canceling the whole move as nothing is immune to the three types. Even though these moves individually are around base 120 power, I'd like to think each hit would be base 40 power.
Came to say the same, that it (and tri-beam) should be hit each time.
While that's similiar to the 2nd chart, it feels more right, three pokemon each using a move = three attacks.
Flash Fire, Water Absorb, Sap Sipper
@@youngblackmamba Which is only relevant to triple battles, which granted, you do need 3 mons to perform this.
I figure it would work like the three pledges (grass pledge, fire pledge, water pledge) (80 damage) with a tri attack chance (6.67%) of each additional effect (boosted additional effect odds, opponents' half speed for 4 turns, 1/8 of opponents' max hp for 4 turns).
Edit: It would be either typeless or the average of the three effectiveness multipliers.
So, triple finish becomes a multi attack moves, each attack with a different type? Its not completely faithful to the game, but its an idea.
Honestly I think that’s how Tri Attack should work: 30 BP of Fire, Electric, Ice. I understand some normal types might lose a good Stab, but just hand Hyper Voice out and you can split the difference
This is what I was thinking! Surprised this wasn't covered.
@@spindash64 Keeping it Normal STAB would be a cool way to give normal types move coverage
To be fair, even if it gets resisted and stuff it might just have a ridiculously high base power.
Like hitting a level 1 water type with a level 100 fire blast isn't going to be completely useless
My idea is for it to be a single use Normal type move, like a Z-move, that is always super effective, so 2X weakness for every pokemon.
@@shadowbanningcommentssucks3551 It would make sense for Red and Leaf to have unique stuff like that based on friendship/bonds/whatever too
Long answer: it’s a convoluted mess of comparing flying press to triple finish
Short answer: it’s the just pledge moves combined
There is the argument for Dragon or Fairy type since it’s powered by a magical ball of energy. Pure Magic, even.
Not just any energy, but the Gen 6 plot device that Lockstin is a huge fan of, Infinity Energy. Lucario and Mewtwo Mega Evolve for their Final Smashes, and Charizard too in Smash 3DS/Wii U, and Infinity Energy is what makes Mega Evolution possible.
Alternative Take:
The move just assigns the most effective damage type to the damage calculations, which calls in line with the idea that parts of the attack are "dialed down" while one exceeds depending on the opponent
I feel there was a missed opportunity for Charizard to Mega Evolve while using Triple Finish in Ultimate
Honestly would've liked that too
He's already the only fully evolved one. don't you get tired of charizard?
@@omarferdous1671 I do to, but he had the mega in 4, why take it away? He's the only one capable of Mega evolving anyways in the group
@@scapegoatmiller9110 and I don't disagree. But it's a Final Smash, and all the pokemon who can Mega use it in their final smash except Charizard. It's not like it would alter the game much, simply an aesthetic change with Mega Zard X and a blue Fire Blast. It's meant to be the Ultimate move (had to) a fighter can use, so knowing Charizard can go further but doesn't just feels like a cop-out.
Before smash this was the climax of the confrontation between red green and blue against team rocket in the pokespe manga.
Yeah. I was really suprised that Lockstin didn't mention it. Because the way it works is very clear. It's just one Pokemon being hit by Frenzy Plant, Hydro Pump, and Blaze Burn all at once by three different pokemon. Very rough, and would only be legal in a no-holds barred battle againist the evil team or in the Triple Battle Format. Another rule is that if all three attack touch eachother, they cancel out.
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I can see triple finish being a 50 base power move that always hits 3 times, with each hit being a different type. That way the resulting total damage would be equal to a 150 base power move with the average weakness/resistance multiplier
Ah yes the strongest grass type move eggplant
what if it was a move that hit 3 times and used a different types' effectivenesses on each time, so for example it hits with fire damage, then water damage, then grass damage
you really put an eggplant in there
i reapect it
Saying first would be dishonorable, so I’m gonna say “Great Vid Lockstin!”
Liking your comment at 69 would be far more dishonorable. I shall allow none harm to this like button
When I was younger I used to think they said "Triple B!tch!". Keep in mind i didn't know that was a swear word😂
Those emojis in the title make the video seem kinda weird at first glance lmao
The idea that PT’s FS is a dark type move makes me lol and idkw.
I swear he’s just pushing how far he can go with these titles without getting his channel terminated
The way I could see it being balanced is that it's a once-per-battle type of move only available in triple battles, and if you use the move then all 3 of your pokemon use up their turn because all 3 of them just used moves with massive power
Triple battles have become obsolete. Thanks, GameFreak.
@@shadowbanningcommentssucks3551 then what a perfect way to reintroduce them with triple-battle themed super attacks
@@superspider64 they have no need to, considering they already have the "Pledge" moves for Double battles.
@@shadowbanningcommentssucks3551 Well this will take it one step beyond
@@superspider64 no, just make it a single use move, like a Z-move, give it the normal typing like Tri Attack, and make it so it's always a flat 2X effectiveness, regardless of the opposing pokemon's type
Lowkey disappointed the Water Grass and Fire Pledges were completely ignored. I know those aren't the moves being used in Triple Finish, but we could've still acted as if crossing the beams did something more other than amplify the damage
I always imagined it would calculate each one separately, first calculate fire damage, then water, then grass, and add them up.
The difference with flying press is that this is really three separate elements in one whilst flying press contains the essence of fighting and flying in one.
How i liked to think of it is that the strongest type of triple finish. Instead of thinking that charizards attack would weaken the whole attack against a rock type think of it as charizards attack helping deal extra damage with ivy and squirt. The whole thing is supposed to be positive. Instead of thinking "aww charizards attack isnt that effective compared to the other two!!" Focus on the one that is the most effective in any given situation whether its zards ivys ot squirts
I think it's best to take it quite literally as Red or Leaf initiating a Triple Battle against whatever's in front of them, so it's basically 3 distinct attacks, just hitting you all at once.
4:38 Actually I think these are just trainers who look like them. If they aren't, why didn't they just they're actual names?
No they're canonically Red and Leaf, just they didn't feel like naming them.
@@shadowbanningcommentssucks3551 red and green or blue
@@Frogboyaidan pardon? I'm assuming that you meant that the female trainer's name was Green or Blue, and to that I say no. Blue is canonically "Gary" and is Red's rival, and it hasn't yet been confirmed if Leaf and Green are the same person
@@shadowbanningcommentssucks3551 it largely is. There's a girl named Blue in the manga (named green in english) and due to her being the design basis for the female character in FRLG (dubbed Leaf) fans named her Leaf Green / Green Leaf as a first/last name.
I also feel like they were left unnamed in Smash because they are avatar characters like Villager or Inkling. They could have instead been named Mayor and Agent 3 or other names seen in ads.
@@velvetbutterfly yes we can put pieces together and say that Green and Leaf are the same person, but it hasn't outright been confirmed. Do agree that is the most likely reason they didn't name them, however.
The emojis in the title imply that Lockstin will make you Triple Finish. How kind, yet also tiring.
This is basically just Alliance attacks in the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series lol All of your Pokemon use a selected move from their moveset and they each attack the opponent.
However, they do all count as three separate attacks instead of one fused attack in synergy with each other.
I've always wanted amiibo support for pokemon, so we could get these pokemon with boosted stats if we had their amiibo. Squirtle with a speed boost, ivysaur with a boost in his special attack, and charizard with a boost in attack
Lockstin do a video explaining why each nature effects the stats
People thoughts about them removing triple and rotation battles
They were unique and fun. Wish there were more mandatory battles that included Triple and Rotation Battles. Something something GEN 5 remakes and whatnot.
I like the fact that there's an entire festival where a bunch of people get together to spell out "BIG" on top of a hill using torches.
Love the use of emojis in the title
something to consider is that even if a lot of types would resist it, it would also have like 110 + 110 + 120 = 340 base power so even when hitting for half damage it'd still be the equivalent of a unresisted move with ... 170 base power
and yes, that's how the damage formula works out. double kick is functionally a 60 base power move, bullet seed hitting thrice is functionally a 75 base power move, etc. so hitting something with fire blast, hydro pump, and solar beam simultaneously would equate to a move with their summed base power before type match ups. the only way it gets more complicated than that is if you treated it as if it was being used by _three different pokemon_ with their individual stats and levels and etc. kinda like beat up
Great video as always! I think the move could work like triple axel, having multiple attacks (three of them) with each attack having a different property of either grass, water or fire. I don't know how the battles are coded so STAB, type effectiveness and damage calculations might already be set from the first hit, but I think it would be more simple for players if the move was split into three separate hits rather than combining them
I think the simplest way to think about it is that all three types hit the target separately, just at the same time.
As much as I love the idea of more moves like flying press, I'd guess we're unlikely to see more. I feel like it's not a coincidence that Flying Press can never hit any given type 4x. It's fairly possible that a combination that could potentially exceed 4x against the right Pokemon might have complications in the actual code. Or otherwise just be too strong -- A particularly tanky Pokemon might be able to handle a 4x effective move, but against an 8x or worse, it's pretty screwed.
I thought a lot about this, back in the day, while thinking "Muddy water should be like flying press!" Before realizing how broken it would be if it *were.* Water and ground share advantages against two different types!
Ok, but can we talk about this move's base power, and the fact that Charizard is using multiple fire blasts at the same time? Even IF dragon 8x resisted this move, that's gonna be a solid chunk of damage.
I would also suggest something like this (also for triple attack to make its typing make more sense)
A multiattack move, like double-slap or double kick, that hits three times, one is fire, one is grass and the other is water (fire ice and electric for tri attack)
This would rule out cases like rock being only x2 instead of x4 (or ground's immunity to electric in tri attack's case)
Hey Lockstin, could make a part 2 of every Smash Bros character in pokemon type? But only the DLC fighters
He probably will when the final one is revealed
@@velvetbutterfly I thought on adding that in my comment, but I didn't know how to put it 😆
6:21 haha that chart looks like it's flipping the bird!
I always assumed it would just have a similar effect to using the starter Pokémon pledge moves Where there are additional effects when you use multiple in a double battle
I would love to see a damage calc video seeing as all of those moves are base 120 power if used at once how would you balance not to be more powerful than explosion, and boosted roll out
Lockstin, what concept type icons do u use cause they look awsome
Remember the three tutor moves made for triple battles that increased in power as you used them in tandem with each other?
I personally think Tri-Attack should use averages since one Pokémon is essentially firing 3 different types of attacks in one turn. Its single-type effectiveness chart would then be:
-Flying: 5/3 (1.67)
-Grass: 3/2 (1.5)
-Bug: 4/3 (1.33)
-Steel, Ice: 7/6 (1.17)
-Electric, Rock: 5/6 (0.83)
-Fire: 2/3 (0.67)
-all other types: neutral (1)
so it would not be a bad move whatsoever, being purely an upgrade from simply being normal type except for being resisted slightly by electric and fire. (Note: for dual types, multiplication of type effectiveness only works for each individual third and not necessarily the entire move; for example, a grass/flying type would take 7/3 or 2.33 times the damage instead of 5/2 or 2.5 times.)
As for STAB, you could either calculate each third of the move separately or just give normal types STAB with it since the move would likely still be normal type; however, I think it should be able to hit ghost types since they are not immune to fire, ice, or electric.
If they made a Tri-Attack similar to the Triple Finish that can be a TM taught to multiples that perhaps has a Random result that can burn or paralyze or confused.
What about the combo moves like fire pledge, normally it is two in a double battle attacking and it creates an effect relating to the two used, if they all used them in a triple battle it could be used like that
Sending out other pokemon for a finishing move should be a pokemon mechanic like mega-evolution or dynamaxing. The different combinations in which you could do would be so cool and add another layer of strategy.
I think that the magic of the attack is not in multiplication but addition.
Yes it takes the chart of times but the damage would be like
((Squirtle Sp.attack + hydropump base power)+(Ivysaur sp. Attack + hyperbeam base)+(Charizard sp. Attack + fire blast base)) = attack power and you plug that in the damage calculation formula
Easiest fix that comes to mind is making the base type of the move be the one of the Pokémon that used it (Grass, Water, and Fire. Not counting Poison and Flying.)
Also you could get triple finish legally in a triple battle if you make all three Pokémon target a single one (provided it doesn't faint during attacks).
That’s a gimmick I could get onboard for a combo attack. Like the triple finish, but it’s a one time attack of 2-3 Pokémon. When you have 3 Pokémon that are compatible, you can perform a super attack. Like Z moves but… idk there’s 3 types in the attack. If you have the 3 starters and you’re against a rock type, fire doesn’t do much anything but water and grass do .25 more damage each.
You have to have Pokémon that are compatible, like all the starters, no repeat types and it’s based on their primary type. Like Gardevoir would have a psychic attack not fairy, and ironically wouldn’t be compatible with Gallade since fighting is the secondary. But it can go with Sirfetched and Clefairy for a psychic, fighting, and fairy triple attack.
Couldn’t you just… a three hit attack but one is fire, one is grass, and one is water.
"Watch out sandshrew"
*Every Rock Ground type shivering in the corner*
This might just be me being more of an anime/manga fan than a video game fan, but I always thought that if they were going to implement Triple Finish in the games, they'd go the Adventures/PokeSpe route and have it be a combi of Blast Burn, Frenzy Plant and Hydro Cannon, which were the original signature moves of the starters. It's usually the "ultimate move finisher" for the protagonists in the manga- the one that sticks out to me is the one from the Emerald arc where all the protagonists up to that point use a triple Triple Finish (three groups of starters using their respective moves) plus a triple Volt Tackle to take down a fake Kyogre created by a Jirachi wish.
4:17 Against rock and ground like Golem and Onix or ice and ground (exclusively the swinub line) it's 6x effective, which isn't even a thing. A parasect with Dry Skin is 5x weak to fire due to the 25% increase in weakness and some pokemon when inflicted with Forest's Curse are 8x weak to fire.
Uh, what? It's still 8x. Rock is 2x weak, Ground is 4x weak. Why did you add instead of multiplying?
Triple Finish: *works like Flying Press*
Mamoswine and all the Rock/Ground Pokemon: *nervous sweating*
The way that beat up works isn't that all of the Pokemon's attacks are combined into 1 move, they each get their separate turn. And if we look at the animation for triple finish, the Pokemon are using different moves at the same time, individually, instead of, say, combining 3 beams into 1 big beam. So the way i think it could work is by having Charizard use a fire attack, then Ivysaur uses a grass attack, then Squirtle uses a water attack, in the same way that beat up does, just with each hit having a different type instead of them all being dark type. But that's just my two cents.
You could have also used the link attack logic from Mystery Dungeon. Since the move could be considered Solar Beam, then Hydro Pump, then Fireblast. Essentially making the move a triple hit attack (like triple Axel) with a different type each time.
Lockstin didn't even consider a possibility: That Triple FInish is NOT one move, but three separate ones. Well, technically, he did, when he made the averages chart, however, he didn't fully explore the idea.
If triple finish did literally function as all three moves, a multi-attack hitting three times for each type, calculated separately, then it would have gargantuan coverage. The only question left would be figuring out the base power for each hit.
Hey, don't underestimate it. It beat the crap out of a fusion of all 3 legendary birds in the Pokémon Adventures manga. That was sick.
340 BP(360 prior to Gen IV)
In games it ignores Flash Fire,Sap Sipper and Storm Drain. It either does Neutral or Super Effective damage. Sp.Atk drops drastically.
This move is extremely lethal against Mamoswine.
It'll do a lot of damage regardless.
fun fact: in the manga a similar move was used(blast burn, frenzy plant, and hydro cannon) and they all cancelled each other out so it would not do any damage(they were trying to get unown off a boat motot so they could go to a different island)
Have you ever made a video explaining what moves each of the pokeball item pokemon are using in Smash?
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I think the difference between Triple Finish and Flying Press is, the flying and fighting properties of Flying Press are perfectly melded, meaning the multiplication makes sense. Triple Finish, however, is three differently typed attacks hitting at the same time, so averaging would probably work better. In fact, Tri-Attack could probably be retyped this way as well.
As I've seen other people point out, Triple Finish is a team-attack from three pokemon performing one move each, unlike Flying Press and Tri Attack. So honestly, I think the "each move does a third of the total damage" is probably the right way to go. And since each of those moves is a 120 base power move, Dragon-types can still get wrecked by it.
not really, dragon types would receive 12.5% of the damage thanks to their 3x resistance, which means that even with the combined base power reaching 340, it would get reduced to a pathetic 39.1 base power, just as strong as scratch.
I just invisioned triple finish as hitting with 3 attacks on 1 turn and each acts as a mono type attack. Like you get hit with hydropump, Fire blast, & solarbeam and it'd just be super broken yes but banned from like everything. And/Or it only works if each pokemon has the individual moves and it can be used instead of Dyna-maxing or mega-evolving or whatever the next big once per battle thing is. Idk...
lockstin really took some uh creative liberties with the emojis in the title huh
Triple finish was sort of implemented into mystery dungeon via alliance attacks and was a super cool mechanic
This is what i though when they were gona release 2v2 and 3v3 and all those weird group match super disapointed but i see why it wont work in terms of math and animation
I looked at the chart before Lockstein added the Smash effective description assumption, and I gotta say, Grass-Type was the type holding the move back. 7 of the available types resist it for Arceus' sake!
This is interesting, but I think it comes down to it just being three simultaneous attacks, not one move. I think the averages would make sense... but you'd also have to have it be upwards of 300 base power to really reflect that. I'm more interested in what downsides they'd slap onto a super-move like that, like maybe sacrificing a third or half of the max HP from each of those party members?
Logically I would go with the average effectiveness rather than the combined, since Triple Finish is hitting the opponent with three individual moves. For Flying Press it makes sense for it to be combined since it's one move that combines the types; it's not hitting the opponent with both a fighting impact and a gust of wind, it's hitting the opponent with a fighting impact boosted by wind power.
note that multipliers of the same value DO multiply, electric types quad resist electrified flying press (an electric/flying move)
I think it would just make more sense as a multi hit move. Hit once for grass type damage, then again for fire type damage, then again for water type damage.
To me, what would make the most sense to make it a super move in-game: it uses the highest effectiveness of any of its component types or types combos.
So, against fire, it would be x2; against dragon, x0.5; against rock, x4; etc.
Just found your channel. Not disappointed. Good work man!
There are team moves that work together in special ways like the pledge moves, too.
Triple finish is use in the pokespe manga during the emerald arc using the move blast burn, hydro cannon and frenzy plant.
I think it can only be use when they all have 3 kanto starter that fully evolution that learn 3 or the move then it can do it with super eff but it must recharge or did some bad think
i woud treat the attack as 3 independant attacks, each one hitting with the individual element and having its own chance of crit/miss.
Probably would reduce the damage total, cause 110+120+110=340 is a huge amount of damage, even exploision deals only 250, and faints the pokemon after use.
Since it is attack many times, it could destroy a substitute and deal damage, assuming for example, the first attack breaks it, and the other 2 hit the pokemon. For that case, I would have the moves hit in the order of fire-> water -> grass, since in real life, being wet protects from fire, but being burn does not protect from high pressure water, and solar beam should be the last one, since it requires charging
Imagine if the next main series title has a "Triple Finish" gimmick. Basically like the Z-attacks, but when you use it you choose 2 (or 1 depending on the fight) Pokémon aside from the currently active one and choose an attack for each. If you have less Pokémon than required it will be significantly weaker or not possible at all, one of the two.
It should really be a combination of the three pledge moves and they all just hit at the same time since they come from three different sources, think of it like beatup but each hit is a different type.
I would really like a multi attack (not the Silvally move) type thing. It always hits 3 times, and each of those hits is 1 of a type, with a strength of like 40 for each. (Or 38 because Fire Blast and Hydro Pump got nerfed.)
They could make it a cool mechanic, with each Pokemon having to have Triple Finish as a move, it using the stats of the pokemon representing their type, and as a balance you can't use it if one of those Pokemon is unable to attack. (Faint, Para-Chance, etc)
Triple Finish might be inspired by the Manga. In the pokemon adventures manga, Blue, Red, and Green band together with their fully evolved starters to strike the fused bird Zapmolcuno with a powerful elemental blast. It was some combination of Flamethrower, Hydro Pump, and Solar Beam if I'm not wrong. Maybe Saur used Vine Whip, I dunno. Either way it broke the fusion. Later on, once gen 3 mechanics came in, this Triple Finish was replaced by them using the elemental hyper beams all at once. Even had some Volt Tackles coming in. Pretty cool scene, they blew up a energy construct Kyogre.
I imagined it would only use one type at a time, like it shows what type would do the most damage and use that, and if none use the most damage it would just use the stab version of the move
Also, how much damage would the move do?
We could add the moves Fire Blast, Solar Beam, and Hydro Pump together, but that would make a whooping 340 power. that would be insane. The most powerful move by my knowledge is Clangorous Soulblaze, which does 185, AND it’s a exclusive Z-move! ( Techincally Stored Power is the most powerful move because Its maximum possible base power is 860, but you have to have all your stats boosted to there max out so it’s not really the most powerful move )
We also could divide each move by 2 and add them. That would make the power be 170, which is also pretty insane.
What I think gamefreak would do is make the move 150 power and have it charge a turn, but that’s just what I think.
I think Triple Finish would just be similar to a Z-move, you only get one per battle but it would be very strong because it would always be super effective.
Idea. It's a multihit attack, with the average base power of fire blast, solar beam, and hydro pump, divided by 3, hits one hit with water, then grass, then fire. That definitely feels like how pokemon would do it if they did. But also I feel with how this move is in smash bros, maybe instead triple finish...
Is a triple battle move, but that feels weak. I feel like what they should do is add it as a special move to use when you do a rotation battle. Where you can choose an attack from each of your 3 pokemon out to all use on the 1 the opponent has out. That genuinely feels like a fun addition they could add if they brought back rotation battles. And I already think they should. It functioning as a rotation battle move honestly seems like the best option in my opinion, but I feel like my first choice would be more likely a choice game freak would make, being they cut triple battles and never looked back.
It would be cool if there were multi type moves
Fire/Ice/Thunder Punch would be Fighting/Fire/Ice/Electric depending on the type thrown
Scald would be a Fire/Water move etc
You could just make it be a move exclusive to triple battles, only happening when the exact same 3 moves are selected in a single turn in-battle. Much better than what you came up with IMO.
gonna be real i didnt know flying press worked like that, i just assumed it did whatever damage was super effective (like only fighting type damage on a rock type) but now i know
Another method would be to make it a multi-hit move which has a different typing on each hit, they could attack at the same time but each hit can be calculated individually