lol. 8 allows them to put the direct outs on a single DB25 connection. And the summing side being 16, adding up to 24 total kind of makes sense. more is better though lol.
ok...but... why? you could just use any external 500 series rack. And if you use the direct out from pre- then you can't use the direct out post fader. there's a switch for it, you can only do one or the other. The goal is to not have to go behind the desk and re-patch anything, idk, it just doesn't seem worth the trouble to me. If you just use it as designed, you get the benefit of skipping all the cabling and patching. if I was stuck with this limitation for 16 or 24 channels, that would be one thing, but it's only eight. I'd rather have the benefit of the eight in-line channels and just get more processing for outside the board.
As far as the 500 series slots go, there's a way to patch in and out of just the 500 series slots. You patch into the '500 Input' and out of the 'Insert/500 out'.
you could have a direct out of the preamp go back to the bay and normal to the 500 input but... that's a lot of extra cables and connections. It's not worth it.
those 500 series BAE's that you have in the inserts of the summing channels, why so you need the pre's? are those signals not already at line level from the interface?
I can see how that might've been confusing in the video. Actually, my set up has changed since then. If I was using the preamp for a recording, I would've patched the output of the equalizer to the A/D converter directly - no API involved. The nice thing about that set up though was I could still have the equalizer fed from the patchbay and normalled from those summing inserts. when mixing, I would just have to turn off the Cascade feature on the 500 rack. Sorry it wasn't more clear in the video.
@@hopetownsound thank you for the clarification - I’m watching this series of videos you’ve made on the API Box and I’m finding them extremely informative! 👍
Hey man , would it be possible to share the wav files ITB vs mix through the box without any comp ( jst the analog summin ) please ? I might pull the trigger for the box cheers
Well that raises the whole issue of not having recall on analog mixes.This is why I've decided to just use it for summing now (see the later videos). I also never did an ITB mix of these tracks. Recall is a problem that hits you on any analog console except a Neve Genysis Black or....to some extent an SSL. I've been using the SSL UC1 in the box and summing on the API to solve it.
@@soundsokok It sounds like you're asking for stems and the answer to that is no. The API doesn't have a method of outputting individual channels from the summing side. The only path out is through the mix bus. The SSL XL desk can do that but not The BOX
@@soundsokok it's a client production and it's not released yet, but I'll certainly post links once it's released. if you're curious to hear the difference between the analog Console and in the box summing I would point you toward millsound productions. he just did a really comprehensive three part comparison between the API Luna summing and the actual API BOX.
Right well that's why nobody uses those racks, but I'm still finding them useful. For recording and for mixing they don't have to be patched, I just send the output to channel that has to gear that I want. I do wish that they had put a simple switch on the front
Not I just bought one and I love it but yes it’s really setup to be in the signal path of the mixer in the left but just pushing insert but the problem for me is I want a few of them in the summing side which if you want to patch the inserts and returns to any of the 500s you can but when you plug in the insert if disables that channel on the left mixer but you can jump the output to skip the insert and if you smart you set it up in your patch bay but again it all Up to your use of the console this is summing mixer on the right so I use for stems work great and mixing on the left with tracking capability and I guess it’s how you want to use it.
Prg vs 2track …very helpful and didn’t consider this. Thank you!!
Love it! Keep up the videos with The Box! Cheers!
If the box has 12 recording input intead of 8 , that would be wonderful
lol. 8 allows them to put the direct outs on a single DB25 connection. And the summing side being 16, adding up to 24 total kind of makes sense. more is better though lol.
You can you have to put a jumper from send from pre to return for 500
The is will
Bypass the 500 and you can use it independent bam
ok...but... why? you could just use any external 500 series rack. And if you use the direct out from pre- then you can't use the direct out post fader. there's a switch for it, you can only do one or the other.
The goal is to not have to go behind the desk and re-patch anything,
idk, it just doesn't seem worth the trouble to me. If you just use it as designed, you get the benefit of skipping all the cabling and patching. if I was stuck with this limitation for 16 or 24 channels, that would be one thing, but it's only eight. I'd rather have the benefit of the eight in-line channels and just get more processing for outside the board.
As far as the 500 series slots go, there's a way to patch in and out of just the 500 series slots. You patch into the '500 Input' and out of the 'Insert/500 out'.
Yes but the minute you patch into the 500 input it defeats all the other inputs so you can't leave a snake plugged in in the back. That's the problem
you could have a direct out of the preamp go back to the bay and normal to the 500 input but... that's a lot of extra cables and connections. It's not worth it.
those 500 series BAE's that you have in the inserts of the summing channels, why so you need the pre's? are those signals not already at line level from the interface?
I can see how that might've been confusing in the video. Actually, my set up has changed since then.
If I was using the preamp for a recording, I would've patched the output of the equalizer to the A/D converter directly - no API involved. The nice thing about that set up though was I could still have the equalizer fed from the patchbay and normalled from those summing inserts. when mixing, I would just have to turn off the Cascade feature on the 500 rack.
Sorry it wasn't more clear in the video.
@@hopetownsound thank you for the clarification - I’m watching this series of videos you’ve made on the API Box and I’m finding them extremely informative! 👍
Hey man , would it be possible to share the wav files ITB vs mix through the box without any comp ( jst the analog summin ) please ? I might pull the trigger for the box
cheers
Well that raises the whole issue of not having recall on analog mixes.This is why I've decided to just use it for summing now (see the later videos). I also never did an ITB mix of these tracks. Recall is a problem that hits you on any analog console except a Neve Genysis Black or....to some extent an SSL. I've been using the SSL UC1 in the box and summing on the API to solve it.
@@hopetownsound right . would it the. be possible to get the analog summed version wav file pls ?
@@soundsokok It sounds like you're asking for stems and the answer to that is no. The API doesn't have a method of outputting individual channels from the summing side. The only path out is through the mix bus. The SSL XL desk can do that but not The BOX
@@soundsokok it's a client production and it's not released yet, but I'll certainly post links once it's released. if you're curious to hear the difference between the analog Console and in the box summing I would point you toward millsound productions. he just did a really comprehensive three part comparison between the API Luna summing and the actual API BOX.
@@soundsokok ua-cam.com/video/Oe-HnxKiPrU/v-deo.html
this is gonna be the best source for you to hear the console vs ITB
wait what? so it's a recording console, and then *patch *patch *patch *patch *patch *patch *patch *patch it's a mixing console? That's clunky :/
(if you want to use the 500 slots as part of the processes)
Right well that's why nobody uses those racks, but I'm still finding them useful. For recording and for mixing they don't have to be patched, I just send the output to channel that has to gear that I want. I do wish that they had put a simple switch on the front
siri is killing me. you get the idea. if i want the EQ in slot 8 i just send that instrument out bus 8. no patching
Not I just bought one and I love it but yes it’s really setup to be in the signal path of the mixer in the left but just pushing insert but the problem for me is I want a few of them in the summing side which if you want to patch the inserts and returns to any of the 500s you can but when you plug in the insert if disables that channel on the left mixer but you can jump the output to skip the insert and if you smart you set it up in your patch bay but again it all
Up to your use of the console this is summing mixer on the right so I use for stems work great and mixing on the left with tracking capability and I guess it’s how you want to use it.