Mackie DLZ Creator XS vs. Rodecaster Duo: Which Podcast Mixer Should You Choose?
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- While the Mackie DLZ Creator XS and Rodecaster Duo might seem similar at first glance, there are a lot of things that set them apart. Both mixers are absolutely fantastic, but they have very different approaches to audio, so let’s take a look at how they compare and see which one might be the bet choice for you.
•Mackie DLZ Creator XS:
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•Rodecaster Duo:
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•Full Size DLX Creator:
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•Rode NT1 Signature Series:
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•Rode Headphones:
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0:00 - Intro & Disclosures
1:21 - Upfront Spoilers & Conclusions
6:38 - Dials vs. Faders
7:46 - EQ & Processing
8:42 - Interfaces & Displays
9:35 - NDI Functionality
11:22 - Control Modes & Beginner Friendliness
12:12 - Autogain & Automix
13:41 - Contextual Dials & Controls
14:48 - Physical Record Button
15:42 - Locking Power Cables
16:55 - Design & Build Quality
19:47 - Mounting Options
20:45 - Sound/Smart Pads
22:20 - MicroSD Cards (Why?!)
23:06 - Preamp Comparison (with Shure SM7B)
27:21 - Headphone Amp Comparison
28:56 - Concerns About Mackie & Rode’s Relationship
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Episode 388: Mackie DLZ Creator XS vs. Rodecaster Duo: Which Podcast Mixer Should You Choose? - Фільми й анімація
Thank you for checking out the DLZ Creator XS, Tom. We are glad you are enjoying it! 💚💚💚
The XS is XS-ively awesome.
I assume a connected usb storage can be reached from a pc connected via USB or Ethernet?
Or the micro SD card for that matter. I don't care if it is a micro SD if I never have to remove it 😊
Looking to get a big DLZ for myself and the same or this one for my son. Want to set up a VPN to use NDI and share sound.
I’m waiting for you or rode to have the ability to jam sync Timecode and I’m buying it. That’s all you have to do to out do the other.
Need an ability to mount both sizes to a heavy duty arm.
I do wish that Mackie hadn't gotten bought up, let's hope that the DLZ line doesn't get cheapened out with components and good headphone amps, all of those things still matter aplenty.
I'm with you, I prefer the DLZ. I just find it easier to get the sound dialed in with the DLZ.
Tom, your educational style, temperament, and overall technical comprehension is a wonderful combination. I love your honesty and your use of plain language to communicate complex ideas and advanced equipment. Thank you for making these videos. 🔥🔥🔥
Thank you! That means a lot to hear!
@@tombuck There is an art to creating and an art to educating. And I respect both. Some people think being good at something, means they can also communicate effectively how to achieve the same outcomes. And its not true. When I found your channel, I was like this guy just gets it. We can feel you love for the tools, and what they create. Keep doing your thing. Much respect!
Totally agree. I love your video style @tombuck ! Very informative and super fun. This coming from a sound engineer, music producer and artist 😊
@@tombuck Would like to reach out with you and check the possibility of exploring more similar exciting opportunity with you together.
I am a dual PC Streamer, so the double USB Output of the Rodcaster Duo Pro 2 is AMAZING! Any other AudioInterfaces that have this feature?
I love how you just went over everything we need to know, a Breathe of fresh air. Great video! I really love the dial and that massive screen on the DLZ
The interface is pretty great! I cut it for time, but there's also a "tour" function that walks you through everything on screen and explains it all in clear language.
Thanks Tom for all your efforts going thru these two products - took a lot of work and was appreciated
Thank you Mark! This was a bit of a beast of a video since both devices have so many options. I eventually decided not to try and cover everything, but rather just contextualize them with each other.
Thanks, Tom. Because of you, I'm buying the Mackie DLZ Creator XS. Although I own the first Rodecaster 1, I am sold with everything you pointed at. I thought I'd go for the Duo until I came across your review comparison. I trust your judgement call. Thanks again. Cheers from your fan here in the Philippines.
I hope you enjoy it! You really can't go wrong with either option, but the DLZ does have some really cool new functionality. There is a bit more of a learning curve than the RC, but like I say in the video, fortunately their online user guide is outstanding.
keep crushing dont stop posting awesome videos like this one. been hugely influenced by you in my own purchases. thanks always
Glad the videos have been helpful!
Tom, I am not in the market for a mixer as I already own two Rodecasters. However, it is always a pleasure to see you review audio products as you do. Your unbiased, clear and easy to follow reviews are always so well done. We all learn something from you with each of your videos.
Thank you Norm! I really appreciate that. I think I've definitely got my biases, but I try to at least make them known 😁
I love it! I use Mackie boards and the Mackie Master Fader app for wireless access via an iphone or ipad for our main church service. I also love how you can access the 4 band equalizer to really dial in mics that need minute changes like the Earthworks SR117 and Ethos. Great video - as always Tom!
I'm very jealous of your SR117. 😁
@@tombuck I would not be upset if they charged $600 for that mic. Thats how good they made it
Now that Rode has acquired Mackie, I want a combination of both and also have the HDMI Capture card features.
look up the mainstream by mackie
@@DreamingOfReality I saw that but I want something more like the DLZ Creator and Rodecaster 2 instead of Rode Streamer X.
same tbh lol hopefully the roadcaster 3.. i would love a proper line out to plug into camera too without having to run it into a art clean box first@@Slipsch
It is obviously a niche use case, but the Rode having the dual-USB interface ports to enable dual PC setups is something I wish the Mackie also had. As someone who used to run a work laptop and personal desktop at the same time, having a device like the Rode that can unify mic input to a single device without a hardware switcher is very appealing.
This is exactly the use case I'm even considering one of these for. Same with single speakers and headphones for both machines
@@CorazuYT The only issue I was unable to solve for even in my hardware switcher setup was the camera. Any of the higher end USB cameras need USB 3.0 and at least the Elgato Facecam did NOT like going thru a hub. Since I just kept the laptop closed all the time I setup my OG Razer Kiyo. Looked a little silly but got the job done.
@@BryanVehonskythat's alright I don't mind having separate cameras, at the moment I don't even really use one on my personal PC anyways.
You can use NDI for 2 PC setups
This is a great point, and as others have pointed out you can support dual computers via NDI- I should've been more clear about that.
Great breakdown dude! I completely agree. The lack of a physical record button on the Duo is a big bummer, and I do love the idea of a locking power connector + a power button that isn't easily pressed and confirms whether you want to turn it off or not. I think the DLZ XS looks really awesome. I love my GIGANTIC DLZ Creator so I assume I would love this too... probably even more!
I forgot to mention, I also have that popping issue in my headphones with the Røde.
REALLY?! So I'm not crazy then?
It's super similar to how I/we felt about the Duo: I don't know why the compact size makes it fun to use, but it just does 🤷🏻♂️
I had food poisoning and high fever last night (Bangkok Time) when I saw this video was released. It took me 3 efforts to finish the whole video because I was and I am still so tired. But I'm glad that I did watch the whole video finally. It's worth watching and worth waiting for. Thank you so much Tom. For Rode bought Mackie, that is a good reason enough for me to go for Rode Duo. This take over could be good or bad. No body knows for sure. But I just don't want to take a risk buying Mackie DLZ XS today and realize they won't try to develop it anymore after three years. Thank you Tom!
Glad the video was helpful and I hope you're starting to feel better!
Tom u do the best comparisons. No bias!
Thank you!!
Hi Tom, we share the same sentiment especially when it comes to the 'concerns about Mackie & Rode's relationship'. XS is certainly a very promising device and I'm sure the existing users/owners are happy with it. Regardless the future of the DLZ line, let's continue to have lots of fun making music or content. Thanks for the video and reading.
100% echo that awful power button on the Rodecaster Pro 2 lol. Another great video Tom. It really is amazing that these devices are available now when just a few years ago this was the realm of professional recording studios only.
Very true! It used to be such a pain to try and figure out how to do this stuff and now there are multiple awesome options.
I really like the dials with a fader visual. What a space saver . I think the control is better too.
I'm surprised by how much I like them. Was definitely skeptical at first.
Great review, per usual, Tom. Thanks so much for sharing your take on the XS. A question for you - can you assign applications on your PC to the 3 non-mic/line level fader knobs? For example, Spotify on one, Discord on one, and a video game on another.
Very well done Tom, as usual! I love my DLZ. It's awesome! However, the playback situation is just awful. All and all it is great. I did just purchase a RCP2 for work. It is also outstanding. The power button is a disaster. I love the DLZ power button. The RCP2 headphone amps have been a complete nightmare for my use case at work. So much so I just returned the first copy of the RCP2 we purchased and the second copy is even worse. I use it in a mobile command center for the sheriff's office I work at and the wire runs for the headphones are pretty long. That might be a factor. We use this setup for our hostage negotiation team and it works amazing if it's working. Tom I really enjoy your channel and your content. Keep up the good work and thank you!
Wow! I wonder if yours is the only RCP being used for hostage negotiations? That’s wild!
Great review! Love seeing the new devices starting to compete for the creator/streamer space for great audio. Also, can you PLEASE tell me where you got those Rode NTH-100 blue earcups and headband?! They would match my setup perfectly! Thanks again!
Came for Tom's one-liners but left with Intel on Mackie's unit. Another piece to add to the reference bag that only Rode and Tascam was in. And selling for the same amount of coin is also a good thing. Great breakdown Tom.
I’m really glad they matched the price instead of going more expensive like the bigger DLZ.
Love your stuff Mr. Buck!
Wow. Worthy of a look. Faders, yep I prefer but I grew up with pots and am comfortable with both. I think some people might be put put off by pots thinking they are older and cheaper technology. Not necessarily so. Thanks Tom, a great video. I have a RodeCaster and RodeCaster Pro II but feel there may be a Mackie on the Christmas wish list.
It's a fun one for sure! They've done an incredible job with the interface.
I have the Rodecaster pro 2 and the fact that i can connect usb 1, usb 2 and usb chat separately is still the game changer that puts the Rode ahead, the mackie is still good though, nice review 🙂
Love the reviews. As a former radio guy and musician I love faders. These mixers have come a long way from the original Rodecaster. Keep up the great work Tom! 👏👏👏👏🙌
I've always wanted a board with motorized faders 🤤
I still have Roland's Vs2480 mixer/recorder. This behemoth 24 Track launched in 2001 (the size of a FOH mixer) actually has motorized faders and automix.
@@tombuck When I was working in FM radio back in the day, our very first Pro Tools setup was a small motorized mixing console. Very cool automation from back in the day.
Always appreciate your videos, mate, and very valid points about the RODE/Mackie deal. Like you, I was really hoping the DLZ would push RODE to up their game with some of the features on the RCP2. Now? Who knows. We can but hope that maybe the RCP range will be improved with the best of the Mackie features, if the DLZ range is to disappear.
I'm hopefully that both companies will be able to keep doing their own thing, but I guess only time will tell. The thing that makes me the most nervous is that I've been pretty disappointed with Rode's marketing approach lately as they seem to be geared more towards hype and less towards genuinely solid products. Mackie has always had a good reputation for reliability and I want them to keep that.
(I also hope Rode can right their own ship a bit)
Hi Tom! I'm back here looking at the Mackie DLZ (the original and the XS) but trying to overcome analysis paralisis.
We're using the RCPII where we were using the RCP because the latter was just too noisy. I had a MOTU M6 that I thought I'd use in place of the RCPII, but it's produces some weird crackling when I connect it through my Thunderbolt dock. I also get a pop when I turn off the MOTU (issues that didn't happen with the RCPII or RCP).
What has me looking at the Mackie DLZ is NDI. What makes me nervous about using Mackie mixers is that I've seen more than one fail (the last one was a Mackie ONYX 1640, which literally started to emit smoke during a live event. Other failures were less dramatic (failed mic preamp on one, failed phantom power on another mixer). The other thing that makes me nervous is, as you mentioned, how RODE will approach the DLZ line.
The other option is to get another RCPII or RCP Duo...
It’s funny because Mackie and Rode joined together since they operate in such similar spaces. Gonna be interesting to see what they make now that they work together!
Tom, I love your videos. Just wondering if on the DLZ, if the channel-specific mute button is an instant kill, or if it's very quick fade (0.5-1s)? Without having the faders to quickly (but smoothly) take down a channel, it might sound a bit jarring if you're, let's say, ready to take an ad break and it goes from ambient sound to nothing instantaneously.
Great video, very helpful. The DLZ XS featuring the additional stereo 1/4" inputs (3/4) plus analog 1/8" input (5/6) is really a differentiator from the RCDuo. I'm using the RCPII with two mics but inputs 3 and 4 are being used for a stereo 1/4" input from my guitar pedalboard. So the Duo can't work in my setup, but this DLZ XS can. NDI solves the second USB device problem (which I also use currently) but the one thing the DLZ line still doesn't do is show up as two devices on the main USB channel like the Rodecaster line. This has allowed a lot of flexibility for me routing-wise for a Mac to have two "discrete" interface i/o available in different software. Think I'll be sticking with the RCPII for now. Also not providing anyway to mount the DLZ XS is a swing and a miss. It's still a big device to have to stay on the desk.
@Tom Buck I appreciate the great reviews. I am a NOOB in this area but the investigation I have done, I am hearing the following a) Rode Customer Supports sux ( really bad), b) latency (maybe Mackie the same?) and c) Rode headphone is noisy when using some cans.
Rode’s support is awesome! I’ve used them many times over the years and they’ve always been great (most recently just last week for a simple problem). I’m sure people have had bad experiences, but that’s definitely not the norm.
Headphone amps are super quiet and can be set for either high or low sensitivity headphones, so I’m guessing that when people find them noisy, they likely have them on the wrong setting. Latency is a little trickier- I don’t have any issues with it, but I’ve heard others complain. My conclusion is that there’s very slight latency, and some people are more sensitive to it than others.
great review of the mackie xs ,deos this unit have audio ducking ,or deos the automix button take care of this feature ?? what are your thoughts ??
Just wanted to add that I expand the inputs by using the RPC2 with a Yamaha MG10XU. I teach drums online so I use 4 XLR mics on the drums, two line inputs from my electronic drums, and two line inputs from my play-along tracks, all into the Yamaha board. On the RCP2 I use an XLR desk mic and a wireless lavalier mic into channels 1 and 2, the output from the Yamaha mixer into channel 3 and 4, as well as my iMac and my iPad into the two USB channels. This all works just fine for my needs. I get a balanced sound with natural drums, electronic drums, tracks, my voice, and my student's feed, all into my wireless buds (XVIVE) while walking around thee studio untethered.
On the Rode/Mackie relationship - its worth mentioning that it is not uncommon for one company to own multiple brands within the music industry. For example, Fender owns Jackson and Gretsch guitars. Each has their own target audience so maybe a bit different, but I wouldn't be surprised if Mackie continues to operate as its own entity and there is still competition between product lines. I also wouldn't be surprised if they converged similar products into one product that has (hopefully) the best elements of each all combined. Or one line becomes more focused on a certain subset of customers. Time will tell. Rode benefits either way.
You know, the Fender analogy makes me feel a lot better. All of those brands have definitely been allowed to have their own identities and "compete" with each other.
@jakeculey @tombuck I came here to say something similar, and I completely agree with the Fender analogy.
I come from the music industry and while I woudn't always celebrate a buyout/merger like this, both Rode and Mackie are invested in a much broader set of industries than just the online creators (a relatively new industry by comparison to, say, live sound, recording industry, radio/tv production, etc.).
I can't speak for everyone, but almost all of my Rode products are for studio/creator use, and almost all of my Mackie products are for DJ/live music use, so when you zoom out and look at the role both companies play in the larger audio market, there are a LOT of competitors and plenty of opportunity from these two brands coming together to do some cool and creative new things.
Rode sound and innovation + Mackie reliability = Audio Unicorn (hopefully)
Agree. There is no reason for Rode to kill competing products of Mackie since Rode owns both. Technically it's not even Rode, but Rode's mother company. And for them it's important they got a bigger chunk of the market, and it would be unwise to try to merge or kill competing products they own for different target audiences or tastes - they own both ends of the segment: there are Rode fans and there are Mackie fans. Otherwise, it would just create possibility for another competitor to target abandoned slice of the audience. Now, for example, Elgato would need to compete with 2 devices should it release something similar. But if Rode kills DLZ line, Elgato easily would fill this "competitor to Rodecaster" niche. Now this niche is occupied by Mackie for this type of devices. There always will be a competitor to the firs or best product on the market. If you own both of this devices, you are golden.
16:09 I use my RCP2 for live audio and MIDI light/video control. That USB-C power connector does come out from moving stuff around behind the unit. I have everything Velcro’d down pretty well, now, so the power blocks for the RCP2 and my two wireless receivers don’t usually knock it out, but of anything comes loose, or I change my USB-MIDI connector and bump it… yeah 😊😅
It's definitely happened to me on more than one occasion 🫠
Great Review remarks.
Hello Tom! Love your videos! I have a question, about the Rode NTH-100 colored headphone pads. Where did you find them? Thanks for any information.
Tom I just want to say thank you! Because of all your videos and hard work I have spent $17K this month! Thank you so much, I didn’t realize how good ramen taste without the supplemental ingredients
Surprisingly enough, a little bit of peanut butter can really turn ramen up a notch! Not that I've ever overspent on A/V gear myself or anything...😉
@@tombuck damn at least you could still afford peanut butter....
It's pretty obvious that the DLZ XS has better sounding preamps. The Rodecaster sounds brighter even without processing.
Hello! How do them behave with shotgun mics such as Sennheiser MKE 600? Saw your shotgun mic videos in the past and genuinely love them as you can get them out of screen, but wonder whether something like these devices would enhance the overall sound quality of the shotgun microphones.
Thanks!
Im sorry if you went over this.. ive got this and the duo 2 in my cart im so torn between both ..I come from mainly using goxlr and before that wavelink software . Im wanting to split channels between my mic, game audio , and say a music source (UA-cam,Spotify Etc.) i like to play music for my friends in Doscord char and would like to control the volume of each of those sources on here .. is that possible? I see there is only one usb c connected to computer with this device. That doesnt turn into multiple virtual channels does it?
I love the looks and features of the Makie better than the Rode but having a background in music, I prefer sliders of knobs. You get more and faster control of your production. That said for a one person video production that footprint is a desk saver.
Just as in the name: one's for creating, the other for podcasting. (NOT the same thing) Mackie makes live/studio sound gear, where Rode makes... well streaming stuff. I mean thanks for the video/dive etc. But it's quite a no-brainer IMO. SUBBED! Cheers!
Hey Tom, you mentioned the irritating buzz you sometimes get on your headphones when using the RCD. I have noticed the same (sounds like cell phone interference) with my RCP2 but interestingly, I only seemed to have that interference pop up when I swapped out my Rode Procaster mic for the Lewitt LCT240 Pro. Could that condenser capsule be the source of interference pickup? And if so, why would it only be heard on the 'phones but not on the computer output (or recording--I checked)? Wierd.
Anyway, really informative review, as always!
Great comparison, Tom! I'd say the Duo and the XS are in a kinship like iOS and Android. The Duo's approach is try to streamline and simply interacting, whereas the XS can be as intuitive as you'd like it and truly get to tinker the finest details with its interface. Both will get you to your destinations enjoyably, it just depends on what the user values the most with how they interface with their interface. I think myself personally, I'm leaning more towards the RODECaster Duo (unless RODE somehow manages to surprise us with a Solo version this year) just with how it approaches its UI and software.
The Rode has slightly smoother "air" at 12k and higher than the Mackie. The Mackie sounds a bit warmer. BTW I'm in a tuned commercial studio designed to mix for TV and Cinema, so tiny things like that jump out in here. Most folks will not every care or hear the difference, but the difference is there.
I appreciate the insight!
Another informative video - just a quick question if I may Tom - where can I find those coloured headphone cables & ear cushions - they look fantastic when matched with your XLR cables :-)
I already bought the Duo and I'm happy with it. I guess im not too interested to find there is something else that's slightly better. Thanks for the video though.
If you've got the Duo, there's definitely no need to think about upgrading (and the Duo does outperform the Mackie in several ways too!)
Great timing Tom!
As a owner of the RCP2 and the DUO I always feel like there is something "wrong" with the processing..
Even if I use a gentle (6db octave) highpass below 50hz it really affects my voice. (and i'm not talking about just removing rumble)
It has a pretty drastic impact on how it sounds, no matter if I use the Pure Tube (it already has rolloff itself), TLM 102 or other microphone on different gain levels.
On other interfaces or straight in a DAW, I never have this problem. (and I have the same issue on both RCP's with beta and normal firmware)
I 'm considering replacing my DUO with the Mackie DLZ XS not only because of that, but because I really like to have a bigger screen and I prefer the powercable also.
All the RCP2's have a issue where you can't power on a PC if the RCP2 is still off. It's because of a USB issue on some motherboards according to Rode.
At the moment the Mackie DLZ Creator XS is not yet in store over here (Netherlands) but i'm seriously considering replacing the Duo.
I was also a little stuck with Rode's processing, but this video helped me dial in the SM7B in a way I really like, which then let me better adjust other mics too: ua-cam.com/video/U4hVGtdo5MY/v-deo.htmlsi=qn5JPMkPXx3fBsCN
But I do think it's easier to have a "light touch" with the Mackie.
I’ve got a Duo and am struggling with the same issue. Whenever I record the stereo mix (with processing) and the mic 1 input (without processing) I always prefer the raw audio. If I’m not using the processing, what’s the point? And not having the physical record button is a huge miss as well.
@@RandumbTech
Yes I understand what you are saying.
I can get good results with nearly any audio interface but I purchased the RCP2 for some specific needs.
In my case: Onboard DSP and the ability to change things in a live situation quickly are some of my main reasons.
Normally I only do some mild compression of the peaks and maybe a bit of light substractive EQ to my microphones and it's ok.
On the RCP2 / Duo I noticed it just reacts weirdly... even if I use a 12dB octave, 30hz highpass for testing, it actually impacts the overall sound.
Even Barry White does't have usable frequencies in his voice in that area and all it should do is clear up some rumble.
I have another cheap (Presonus) interface with DSP over here that I connected and (ofcourse) no problems at all.
Something weird going on in the processing on both of my RCP's.... Like some specific EQ phasing issues.
Must say that I also feel like it's a "beta" device. Rode promised things like more virtual channels (almost) a year ago and still nothing.
Last thing I heard them say is that they are still working on it and it will come very "soon" and that was like 4 months ago 🙂
The Mackie Creator XS as it is now will be sufficient for my needs and i'm switching as soon as it's available.
I trust your reviews they are true and show your technical knowledge, do you connect the camera to Rodecaster or Mackie?
GREAT comparison. Cant wait to try both from a musicians POV instead of podcasting.
Yeah, that's the tricky part. I guess it depends on what you're recording, but neither is super geared towards musicians. That's definitely where the Boss Gigcaster takes the cake...but then it's a little lackluster when it comes to the podcasting side of things.
Nice comparison, if I did podcasts I'd definitely go with the Macki. (Quick question: How did you get the big obtrusive RODE logo off your Rode mic boom arm? I'm struggling trying to find a way to remove it!)
I used this vinyl letter remover, some alcohol wipe, and quite a bit of elbow grease: geni.us/letterremover
Wear gloves too!
Hi. Can you, please, do a review of the Boss Gigcaster 8? Thank you! Keep up the amazing work you do
I swear it's on the way! Mine actually had a defect and had to be sent in for repair, but finally came back last week. There was an issue with the SD card not actually recording, which was weird, but I haven't heard of anyone else having the problem so I think it was just a bizarre defect.
Awesome. Thank you for the reply 🙏
I kinda mixing agree to power connector, I agree with the security idea, however, I think the main reason for getting a smaller thing is for portable reason which, allows me start recording or streaming anywhere. Therefore, something at least can work with portable powerbank would be nicer. Of course, if they can put a battery in the machine would be even better idea
That's true. Rode did release a nifty USB adapter for the original RCP that let you run it off of a power bank. It was pretty nifty! An extra cost, but kind of the best of both worlds.
@@tombuck I just learned the rode cable is 12vd, it's not able to provide 18v Mackie dlz
Hi Tom, did you notice that random "tut" noise from the Rodecaster Duo headphones output on the Rodecaster Pro II? If not it means your Duo is probably faulty as both devices have the same hardware. I've ordered a Duo yesterday, fingers crossed for not having that annoying issue.
Im very curious about the knobs mapping. Can you bring your discord sound on a specific knob and the same for PC sound?
Tom, great review. Q: Does the DLZ offer multiple, easily switchable pages for the soundpads? Also, I wonder if Rode intends to put Mackie back in its more traditional live-sound market positioning and focus the Rode offerings to creators.
Yes, there are multiple soundboard banks, but you switch using a tiny button on the screen rather than dedicated buttons like the Duo.
Thanks Tom! Awesome release. Which mixer is easier to connect wireless microphones? The Duo has integration with Rode Wireless pro. But maybe there's an easy way to setup a wireless workflow on the DLZ?
If you're not using a Rode-specific mic, then they're about the same since you'll just need to connect the receiver to one of the main inputs.
where did you get the color coordinated ear pads for the NTH-100's? I have been looking for something like this but haven't found them yet.
Rode sent them last summer, and I'm hoping they'll be available for sale at some point but I haven't seen them yet.
I don't hate locking power cord, but i really love usb power, it is very useful when I need to power it on the go, or any power outage, and I don't really need to get any power outlet to power it.
The original RCP had an adapter you could buy that allows you to connect a USB bank to the locking power cable, so it was kind of the best of both worlds.
@@tombuck love that, except you need to remember to bring the specific cable, otherwise it is overall best of the both world, but love to see if it is possible to have locking type-C🤣🤣🤣
Hey Tom, I have a question. You said it's easier to get the sound you want with the processing on the Mackie, how good is the noise gate compared to the RCP 2? I watched a Dark Corner Studio video recently comparing the regular Mackie DLZ Creator & the RCP 2 and he specifically mentioned when testing the processing between both on an SM7B he didn't use the gate on the Mackie because it was "garbage" is this true?
I've had a good experience with it! Of course a lot of that does depend on the environment it's being used in (neither device can work miracles). I think the RCP2 is a bit more smooth and natural, but the Mackie works great.
Thanks boss!
Great comparison review. I do live streams to online platforms like Streamyard etc and have heard that the Rodecaster has a somewhat quiet output, does the Rodecaster have enough output to give a strong output for streaming. I don’t use OBS or similar.
Yes it does in my experience. Hope that helps
I've never had any issues with Streamyard, Riverside, Ecamm, Zoom, or Teams 👍
@@Thezapatabrandpodcast , thanks.
@@tombuck , thanks for the reply.
Have you tried the latency for recording? It’s sad rode hasn’t fixed this for recording into Logic etc.
What about the voltage issues in the Duo and Pro II? Does the XS have anything like that?
Mackie is my jam... I use a pair of srm 450s with a pair of 15 inch subs as my front room sound! I don't always listen to pink Floyd, but when I do, so do the neighbors!
Does Mackie have Audio Routing features like the one on Rodecaster Pro/Duo?
Does the Mackie have Audio Routing features like the Rodecaster Pro ii and Duo?
Great video!
I was leaning towards the Rode, but the Mackie looks like a very compelling option to replace my GoXLR as well.
To be honest, most of the time I thought the unprocessed sound on both devices sounded better than the processed sound.
The Rode presets sound better than the Mackie, but I guess the Mackie can be configured more accurately manually?
I have a few more questions,
How is the Mackie when you connect it to a PC to use it as an audio interface?
I'm still holding on to my GoXLR purely for it's plethora of virtual in and outputs on PC and the ease of routing these. I want to be able to control the volume of my browser/game/chat/music _separately_ using the faders on the device, and not go into game/browser audio settings.
Also I need the ability to route any of those channels to the microphone output in Windows, like the goXLR does, so I can use teams/discord for demonstrations etc.
Rode promised quite a while ago they would implement more virtual channels, but at the moment it's still limited to 3 channels on the main usb port and 1 on the secondary usb port.
How many virtual devices do you get when you plug the Mackie in a PC?
The Mackie is pretty interesting as an interface. Via USB it just shows up as a single source- but with NDI there's a ton more flexibility opened up. So much so, that I'll be honest and say I don't even fully understand it.
Harris Heller did a really cool overview when they first added NDI that explains it a bit better: ua-cam.com/video/n9-suQzFlPI/v-deo.htmlsi=pahbsI0UDhMEdNbO
You're right, that does look very useful. If I understand it correctly, it sort of makes your interface a network audio-receiver for your all your devices that you can then record/stream to your podcast/stream. Interesting tech!
Hello @tombuck , Mackie's product seems very interesting thanks to NDI. But even reading the documentation I can't see how I could separate my microphone from my computer's audio during a streaming session.
I also wanted to thank you for all your very informative videos for me!
Great review Tom! Which would be best for radio program preproduction?
Honestly, either one works, but I feel like the XS is a little more "pro".
Well, I could turn a Rodecaster Pro 2 into a sound pad and a drum machine. (In case if I want to dub a drum audio over the music. 😅)
Btw, I really like that it has an EQ mixer and settings.
And also, The audio pan! (Left and right) 😁
Haha, I tried using it as a drum machine once but the pads just aren't quite responsive enough (like a true sampler/drum machine). Unless you do a slow beat I guess 😅
That dad joke game here is just so strong. Next level!
Which one should i use to output my speakers and sub as well?
i had such clicks when the compressor of the freezer in the kitchen started :-D
Interesting! I wonder if it's something else in the house's electrical system that's causing interference.
How you got the blue cushion for your rode headset?
Awesome review! Not sure if i missed you mentioning it, but the rode has two usb and the dlz looks like has only one. Think that could, especially when it comes to streaming, be a big disadvantage of the dlz.
It's a little tricky- the Mackie doesn't have dual USB C, but via NDI you can support two computers at the same time.
True, forgot about that. Thanks 🙏
Hey Tom, have you had an issue with your RC Duo not recognizing your SD Memory Card? If so, what was the remedy? I just started having this issue today, but it has been working for the last month since purchasing. Thanks!
Fortunately I've never had that issue on any of my Rodecasters. Have you tried a difference SD card? My hope is that it's just a faulty card and not a problem with the Duo itself.
@@tombuck I powered it up this morning and it was working after I factory reset everything twice last night. I tried other SD cards, as well, to no different outcome, but for the time it is working. Thank you for your timely response! I love your content!
I’m at a loss I’m trying to up my professionalism and have been back n forth between both of these units. I do a lot of video podcasting through Restream but would like to start doing more audio and utilizing something that’s ease of use bc I’m not technical at all.
Tom, are you still using your MacMini M1? Do you plan on upgrading to the M3 version when it comes out?
I love my M2 Pro Mac Mini but think I’ll get a M3 MacBook Air when it comes out
I'm still using my M1 Mac Mini and my M1 Max MacBook Pro. I do most of my editing on the MacBook. It does work with my Sony footage a little better, but honestly it's mostly just because I like the portability 😁
The Mac Mini is still going strong and I use it for all of my streams, video calls, and podcasts.
Actually RODE provides USB power cable with Kensington-like lock that one can use to block USB-C plug from accidentally being pulled out (there is a hole near USB power input). The reason why I prefer USB-C PD power standard is that I can use my PD powerbank to provide power to Rodecaster when on the go - I don't need wall outlet anywhere near (I sometimes record in strange places).
Thanks for the tip!
but u can't synch audio to a camera with rodecaster
Plus I got the RCP 1 and RCP2 based off your recommendations. Are you saying we need to switch to the Mackie gear???
Definitely not saying anyone needs to switch anything, especially if you already have the RCP2.
There was a big difference between the RCP1 and 2 that justified an upgrade, but in this case everything is great and it's just nice to check out different options.
The rotary dials in combination with the onscreen visuals on the Mackie looks very intuitiv.
The compact form factor makes it very useful.
Personally I think a DLZ with four mic inputs and the rotary dials to make it compact for portable use would make it an ideal podcast/livestream on the go solution. Off course a big battery pack inside to have its onboard power that also serves as backup when running on AC.
I think these companies do not think enough with redundancy. Digital cameras are equipped with two card slots in case one SD card fails, and that happens a lot. Why not two SD card slots on an audio mixer. Losing a recording really sucks, and using one precious USB port just for backup seems a waste of connecting possebilities.
Hello , ok everybody know about the voice monitoring delay in the headset with the Rodecaster duo and pro 2 , i would like to know if the DLZ creator XS have the same problem ?
i have my answer below in the comment, thank you
Hi Tom, do you think you could do a comparison between the larger dlz and the smaller one?
It's been on my to do list! Other than the size and inputs there aren't too many major differences- Mackie did a great job of smashing all that power into a smaller form factor.
I wish you would have gone into the capabilities of the interfaces - like usb into the streaming pc for example.
Hi,
Did anyone had and fixed an issue with powering Duo from powerbank?
I have zmi powerpack qb826g which can deliver 210W, it easily powers my MacBook Pro 14, and one of the output ratings is 9V 3A which matches the Duo label near USB-C to power it.
I also have Baseus GaN5 Pro 2C+U charger which also should be able to power the Duo, but I face the same result - a black screen.
The only way I can power the Duo is its original charger. Out of curiosity I also tried to power it directly from my Mac, but then it at least displayed a message about an insufficient power supply.
Does anyone have any idea why it is like that? 🤔
Counterpart joke was pretty incredible
I was very happy when that clicked into place 😁
you should be pun-ished for every pun you shed with your punish head. (LOL - love the puns - keep 'em coming)
@@tombuck
we lol'd @@tombuck
Would you please go over the Mackie PC features if youb are a streamer. I have a go xlr mini and the routing table is amazing and want to buy something that can do podcasting great and also help with streaming. No way can I afford 2 mixers for separate purposes
Want a dlz but waiting to see what happens with the Rode take over.
I just got my Duo and ive noticed a low buzz coming throuh my mic i swapped cables mics etc ive orfered a ground loop isolator i hope that fixes it the buzzing is driving me crazy
That’s what happened to mine. The rcp1. Now it’s basically useless if I want more than one mic going. Idk if it’s a software or hardware issue. Horrible
@NinoAmerica yeah I just wanted a new mic setup to communicate with friends through discord and maybe try my hand at streaming but the with the duo buzzing I ended up swapping to the elgato wave xlr plus using the stream deck plus to have control of separate audio channels but I'm gonna be honest I didn't like having to use my own hardware for sound suppression so I swapped all the xlr stuff for a usb mic 😅. But for what I need the mic for usb is perfectly fine plus it sounds better than my rode mv7x to me perhaps its my voice idk or just me not setting eq properly but the new usb mic stores all the eq and sound supression in the mic itself so I don't have to rely on filters that use cpu and/or gpu to do the same thing and for me the stream deck is more versatile and I can properly label the buttons.
I'd love a rodecaster xl, a 6 or even 8 xlr input model.
Amazing review. Think Rhode will leave Mackie to do their thing; It's kinda like Android is more of a customizable platform for techie individuals, and Apple is a plug and play with presets ready to go. Time will only tell.
I'm hoping that's the case! As others have pointed out, it's really Rode's parent company that made the acquisition, so they might be totally content to leave both companies well enough alone.
But also, Rode is the crown jewell of The Freedman Group and it seems like the other companies they own all serve Rode in some way, so we'll see...
Thanks, Tom. I thought I was the only person concerned about the RODE / Mackie merger. One never knows, do one?
I guess only time will tell what happens? 😬
Looks like the DLZ has limited support for multiple sample rates, 44.1 or 96k? Rodecaster offers full support if I'm not mistaken. Could end up being one of the bigger differences between the two. has anyone tested this?
I would argue with you in a friendly sort of way I would say the Mackie is clearly the better device.Being a sound engineer for 5 decades it a real sound board. The balanced line out on the Mackie is better, and the headphone jacks on the Mackie are better. You are correct that if you come from no background in audio then the Rode may be the better pick for you. I hope they release a Streamer X like product because the headphone jack is like my Procaster NOT VERY GOOD. I selling my Rodecaster and getting one or the other Mackie unit that the only decision. I do wish there was a mounting system on the bottom but I'm sure someone will 3D printer will make something...
great review Tom ... TOTALLY AGREE on the MICRO SD just like on camera with the less than full sized HDMI ports!
It's definitely obviously that the Mackie is geared towards a more "pro" or experienced user. They pretty much told me as much when the first DLZ was released. I think that's awesome because there are a lot of people (like yourself) who have felt limited by the more consumer-focused options.
@@tombuck the trouble with tech is do you upgrade? DJI Mic 2 is out but without time code so for me I will not be updating. I've always like Mackies sound boards so I just have to figure out if I want the bigger or smaller one. (Both are so much smaller than the huge boards I'm used to!
Mackie just released the Mainstream as an answer to the StreamerX.
@@chillywilli Just saw that this morning and it's only HD and not 4K
@@mattwruff I am afraid 4K streaming is something we can expect to be standard in at least 5 years. Also 4K TV, the broadcast studios simply do not replace the old FullHD cameras before they are written off.
That being said, FullHD isn’t that bad, and the 4K datastream can’t be handled by most ethernet connections.
A good camera with low aperture lens in FullHD is much better then a crappy one in 4K, in low light most webcams and action cams fail, whether it is FullHD or 4K.
My 2 cents.
Not sure what the future will be for the Big mackie now that the Frying Man Group acquired it 😂
But let's hope they keep improving the recepy.
I just made my decision and i'm going to get the DLZ XS 👍
Oooh, I hope you like the DLZ! Both of them are pretty fun to work with, but I'm really loving the form factor of the XS.
@@tombuck Thx. Yes I think the bigger screen will make it much more fun to work with compared to the small RCP2 screen i'm looking at now 😊
13:31 channel 1 priority sounded like a cool feature until my two experiences with others’ Fender Passport PAs. Vocal: CH1. Guitar: CH2. Percussion: CH3. Start playing, all good. Then, when I started singing, I couldn’t figure out why I could barely hear the guitar and drum. Then, I’d remember that feature, and fumble around in front of an audience to find the switch to turn it off😂🎶🎙️
Auto-mix, though sounds cool. I know my other veteran friends’ heads would explode to hear me say that, but 99+% of what we do is either subjective or is so obvious that simple pattern matching software could easily do it.
Do you notice any latency from the XLR mic input to the headphone monitors?
I don't, personally. Some people have said they have latency with the Rodecaster, but I haven't noticed any myself. I'm not sure if it changes from unit to unit, or if my hearing just isn't as sensitive.
The XS headphone amps do sound a little "clearer" to me, so they may have even less latency (again, I don't think there's any at all).
@@tombuck thanks for the quick feedback. On the Rodecaster Duo, I had very noticable delays from when I spoke into the mic to what I then heard my voice in the headphones. Good to know you didn't have any latency with the XS.
@@mynustenhello yes around 56 ms of latency with the rodecaster pro 2 and duo , let me know if you have the same with the DLZ in case of ..
hi there. I bought the Rodecaster Duo and returned it as there was a very disorienting delay on my headphone monitors. I placed my order for the Mackie DLZ Creator XS and hope there is no delay. Will let you know my results and my unit should be delivered by the end of this week
hey@@mynusten happy to see you again , and thanks to take time for answer , i will wait until your test is down and i wish you luck
Does the mackie have as bad monitoring latency as the rodecaster units?
I personally haven't had any issues with Rodecaster latency, but to my ears, the Mackie has zero latency.
I am keeping my RCP2. I love the interface and I don’t want to invest in another device.